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godzillamoviemaster

January 30th, 2006, 09:35 PM

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Well, I belive this is a thread for those who LIKED it. Anyway, about Kaiju screen time. Have you EVER SEEN MONSTER ZERO? EVER? Maybe I saw a really badly edited version, or just need to see it again, but I really dont want to. This movie hardly has ANY monsters in it AT ALL. REALLY. You see Godzilla float under the ship for a couple shots, he fights on the moon and dances for only a minute or two, then it gone AGAIN untill the finale. And yet people say it is one of the best Kaiju films ever. HAH! When the monsters arent on screen, I found it to be a REALLY, REALLY boring movie. And it is too long to have that much boring footage. And BTW, there is a TON of kaiju action in this movie! Godzilla VS the Gotengo, Gotengo VS Manda, a HUGE scene of monsters EVERY where! All in the first 30-40 minutes! Then you have a good bit of plot building, evil monsters come back, then around 70 miutes in, Godzilla steals the show. Honestly, I dont get some of you guys. You say the fights are too short. Well, did you notice the had one peice of music (which I actually liked) over Godzilla VS Spiega and Kamacuras? It's because they arent supposed to be treated as individual fights, but a good length scene of Godzilla fighting, killing, and blowing up stuff. And the fight on Fugi was just about the same length as the bike chase you guys complain soo much about. But probably the biggest complain about kaiju screen time it the climax. Well lets think. Godzilla blows Hedorah and Ebirah to bits (which is good, cause I dipise that all too literall peice of crap). There is some plot explaination (which makes far more sence in the original Japanese track with subtitles I will add) then Godzilla fights X. THEN Mothra fights Gigan. Then there is a good deal of human action (I AGAIN liked this, I love movies like the Matrix, and others with sensless violence), but with good intervals of monster stuff. Then they blow up the ship and it's all about Godzilla for the rest of the movie.

I mean come on people. Gamera 3, number 2 on my favorites list, and concidered one of the best Kaiju films EVER, has Gamera in it for what cant be much more than 10 minutes. Other than that, there isnt much kajiu stuff going on. And that too was Gamera's finalie (at least untill now) and nobody complained.

I think if people would stop think about what they think GFW should be and just watched it, they may actually enjoy it too.

GMM

PS-Man, I dont even WANT to know how many times I have seen it already...:dontgetit

Project Pimp

January 30th, 2006, 11:04 PM

Thanks it's glad to know that I'm not alone.

I don't just like it, I love it. Possibly more than anything else in the world. I own the R2 special edition as well as the Sony disc. I watch it a lot. Before GFW, the films I've watched the most were A Clockwork Orange, Ghostbusters, Jurassic Park, the Evil Dead trilogy, the Star Wars saga, and the Toho science fiction films. But not one of them have I seen in excess of twenty times, I'm sure. But GFW... I've seen it well over one-hundred times. Sometimes I find myself wondering what the world would be like without GFW. I guess I wouldn't flip the collar up on my jacket, and I wouldn't listen to progressive rock. Oh what a sad world it would be.

Saruman

January 31st, 2006, 01:28 AM

Sometimes I find myself wondering what the world would be like without GFW. I guess I wouldn't flip the collar up on my jacket, and I wouldn't listen to progressive rock. Oh what a sad world it would be.

And people really have to wonder why this film is disliked so much? Those are some of the most valid reasons to dislike this movie. ;)

:darklord:

Saruman

January 31st, 2006, 01:41 AM

I loved this movie as well. I still find it odd that people complain about not enough monster action in GFW, yet gamera 3, the daimajin movies, gvmg74,Tomg(have not seen uncut verison), and DAM had less monster action, and don't get rant on by the fandom for not having enough action very often.

There are some HUGE reasons that is the difference between GFW and the other films you mentioned. All of those other films have good actors, good scripts, good directors, good kaiju battles and actually tell a cohesive story. None of which GFW does or has going for it, it's not a good film by any standard. And don't confuse your liking a movie for the quality of the movie. Hell I enjoy watching Reptilian, but that doesn't mean I am blind to the fact that it is a bad movie.

godzookie

January 31st, 2006, 06:05 AM

I enjoyed GFW but the story did not center on Godzilla. In Monster Zero and DAM, monsters received less screen time then they did in GFW but the focus of he story was on them. For some reason I am not sure if I got my point across...

Mecha-Rodan

January 31st, 2006, 12:12 PM

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Well, I belive this is a thread for those who LIKED it. Anyway, about Kaiju screen time. Have you EVER SEEN MONSTER ZERO? EVER? Maybe I saw a really badly edited version, or just need to see it again, but I really dont want to. This movie hardly has ANY monsters in it AT ALL. REALLY. You see Godzilla float under the ship for a couple shots, he fights on the moon and dances for only a minute or two, then it gone AGAIN untill the finale. And yet people say it is one of the best Kaiju films ever. HAH! When the monsters arent on screen, I found it to be a REALLY, REALLY boring movie. And it is too long to have that much boring footage. And BTW, there is a TON of kaiju action in this movie! Godzilla VS the Gotengo, Gotengo VS Manda, a HUGE scene of monsters EVERY where! All in the first 30-40 minutes! Then you have a good bit of plot building, evil monsters come back, then around 70 miutes in, Godzilla steals the show. Honestly, I dont get some of you guys. You say the fights are too short. Well, did you notice the had one peice of music (which I actually liked) over Godzilla VS Spiega and Kamacuras? It's because they arent supposed to be treated as individual fights, but a good length scene of Godzilla fighting, killing, and blowing up stuff. And the fight on Fugi was just about the same length as the bike chase you guys complain soo much about. But probably the biggest complain about kaiju screen time it the climax. Well lets think. Godzilla blows Hedorah and Ebirah to bits (which is good, cause I dipise that all too literall peice of crap). There is some plot explaination (which makes far more sence in the original Japanese track with subtitles I will add) then Godzilla fights X. THEN Mothra fights Gigan. Then there is a good deal of human action (I AGAIN liked this, I love movies like the Matrix, and others with sensless violence), but with good intervals of monster stuff. Then they blow up the ship and it's all about Godzilla for the rest of the movie.

I mean come on people. Gamera 3, number 2 on my favorites list, and concidered one of the best Kaiju films EVER, has Gamera in it for what cant be much more than 10 minutes. Other than that, there isnt much kajiu stuff going on. And that too was Gamera's finalie (at least untill now) and nobody complained.
Read Zigra's post.

And Gamera's finale had EMOTION, something the entirety of GFW lacked completely. To compare the two is like comparing "Raptor Island" (I think thats what it was called... that SciFi Special of the Week movie) to "Jurassic Park."

And just for the record, I LOVE The Matrix, its one of my top 20 favorite movies (there are a lot up there...), but even I have limits by which I can enjoy a movie. GFW wasn't "The Matrix," so much as it was an extremely unintelligent, non-STOP (at least The Matrix had breaks for our brains to rest), music that makes you want to scream (and not in the good way), and SFX that looks alright one second, then makes your eyes bleed the next.

And the moral of the story is that it is NOT a film deserving of the 50th Anniversary title. I would have much rather seen any of the other Millennium movies take that title.

I think if people would stop think about what they think GFW should be and just watched it, they may actually enjoy it too.
I did, and I still hated it. ;)

BS Digital Q

January 31st, 2006, 12:38 PM

I like this film. I don't love it, but I like it.

As for people complaining about the music, well, you guys don't listen to enough techno like I do. Being a fan of Goblin, Carpenter, Pre-90s Howard Shore, Morricone, and Emerson in the past, I've always liked their work, both outside the film industry and within it (I.E., Dario Argento films, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, The Thing/The Fog/Other Carpenter films, ect ect).

HolyGoji777

January 31st, 2006, 01:02 PM

There are some HUGE reasons that is the difference between GFW and the other films you mentioned. All of those other films have good actors, good scripts, good directors, good kaiju battles and actually tell a cohesive story. None of which GFW does or has going for it, it's not a good film by any standard. And don't confuse your liking a movie for the quality of the movie. Hell I enjoy watching Reptilian, but that doesn't mean I am blind to the fact that it is a bad movie.

Saruman ive always had the utmost respect for you..so please dont take offense as i scream "WHAT?!!?!?!@?!"

alright first lets get G3 and Daimajin out of the way...G3 very well could be the best kaiju film ever and i have yet to see the Daimajin films so im unable to comment...

so as for GvsMG74, TOMG, and DAM although i love these films i beg to differ that they are superior to GFW in all of the ways you suggest. most of your comments were opinions mostly and not fact. while GFW may not be a "good film by any standard" DAM wasnt exactly oscar material either...i found much of that film to be extremely boring. Good kaiju battles? yeah that whole 5 minutes at the end was great. As for good director well ill base it on the final product and say it could have been better...and acting? only some of the time. i believe there were more likable CHARACTERS in the showa series than in the millenium series altogether. only a few from those films really stand out to me as having good acting and even then its only a couple decent actors....gfw however had the xilian leader which i think did a brilliant job of acting like a complete psycho with immature whiney brat thrown in for good measure....and Don Frye's performance will never win him an oscar but you didnt HAVE to be a good actor to play his part...he played a gruff, surly general to perfection. he wasnt meant to be shakepearian for gods sake. granted much of the rest was terrible but the same can be said for almost ANY godzilla film showa, heisei or shinsei...they may have one or two decent actors IF they are lucky while the rest are trash. as for directing i thought the film moved a bit fast but the scenes were done rather well i dont see the problem with those. special effect...the effects and cgi in gfw are the best ive seen in a godzilla film. i dont see the big deal there.

i know that was kinda jumbled up and may not have been as clear as i would have liked (i just woke up). however you said "just because you like it doesnt mean its good" but at the same time there only a COUPLE godzilla movies that are actually GOOD FILMS. G54, G85 and i think most would agree with Godzilla vs Biollante and possibly even GRA....and even those are pushing it a bit at times. i guess what im trying to say is although GFW isnt a GOOD film and will never be mentioned in the same breath as films such as Ben-Hur, well neither will GVSMG, TOMG or DAM. your argument for them against gfw sounded more like bias the way it came out, and dont get me wrong im not accusing you of anything. there are things about all 4 of those films that i love and some that i dislike but im a godzilla fan and i love them all...

and GFW is better IMO than anything the millenium series had to offer....when i think back on the past 4 films all i can see is that horrible woman from one of the kiryu films, i forget which one, basically telling the little girl that she wishes she were dead. im like WHAT?!!?! yeah lets make the little girl suicidal before she reaches SEVEN YOU FREAK!!!!!! oh and lets not forget the kiryu squad while training and doing their little chant while jogging....who came up with that? im guessing it was a first grader. the dialogue there made me cringe.

so enjoy GFW for what it is...or dont but even if you dislike it its not the worst godzilla film ever.

Mecha-Rodan

January 31st, 2006, 03:57 PM

so enjoy GFW for what it is...or dont but even if you dislike it its not the worst godzilla film ever.
It's not the worst Godzilla movie ever, that title still rightly belongs to Godzilla's Revenge, but I just hate it that some people seem to think it is better than Gojira itself...

I would have enjoyed it better if it were made in the 70s, and WASN'T an anniversary movie, especially the 50th. It has no right to be the 50th anniversary movie.

"But Spacegodzilla is the 40th and I don't see you complaining about that."

GvsSG wasn't a pinnacle in Godzilla history. It was the 40th anniversary, and nobody really cares about being 40 anyway. 50 is considered a golden year that won't be bested until the 100th, and Godzilla should have had WAY more respect than he got. What I don't understand is why people can't see this...

kent

January 31st, 2006, 06:54 PM

There are some HUGE reasons that is the difference between GFW and the other films you mentioned. All of those other films have good actors, good scripts, good directors, good kaiju battles and actually tell a cohesive story.

There are certain parts here I disagree with...

In regards to the good actors spot, I have to agree with that. The actors during the Showa series were better compared to much of the folks we got in the Shinsei.

The good scripts part...well...with exception to Gojira, let's be honest, hardly any other Godzilla film had a good script. Here, like Reaper said, it comes out as your opinion. TOMG is one of my favorite Godzilla films, but the way it was written was so hodge-podged, I had to watch it several times when I first saw it to try and make any sense out of it. Considering Honda directed that one himself, it seemed very disorganized for a movie he did. DAM was more or less an armageddon style story so-to-speak. The crazy aliens and their crazy suits didn't help matters and the dialogue and how most of the characters were not terrified of eleven monsters coming after them seemed a bit odd.

In regards with the good directors, yeah that is true. HOWEVER...look at the film that is considered the worst of the series, Godzilla's Revenge. Who was it directed by? Ishiro Honda; the man who directed the greatest Godzilla film of all-time in Gojira. Honda churned out some mush in his time and he, unfortunately, wasn't as consistent in his directing like he was with Gojira. Of course part of the blame can be put on Toho and them making the budgets for the movies, but still, the stories could have been better than they were even with a tight budget.

As far as the kaiju battles, that is more or less a preference of taste. To me, to be quite honest, I think all kaiju battles are the same. What makes them different, to me, is where the battles are and which kaiju are involved. Other than that, it's just the same ole thing with kaiju shooting beams, kicking and punching each other, body slams, etc.

Showa Godzilla

January 31st, 2006, 08:20 PM

Hey, I like this movie to! It may not be the best Kaiju film, but it's still pretty entertaining.

darthzilla99

January 31st, 2006, 10:20 PM

And Gamera's finale had EMOTION, something the entirety of GFW lacked completely.

I'd say that scen were minya and the boy stand there infront of godzilla and the human heros with the paino playing, then godzilla lowering his claws whale the human heros lower their guns and swords was pretty emotional. Plus, the scen of "Were not cattle, were humans!" had some emotion. Then gordon going through the flashback of him trapping godzilla was emotional IMO. Also, the commender telling gordon to save the earth right before he fights the mutants I thought was emotional (plus him and ozaki looking at each other before ozaki leaves.)

ryan the dangrous liberal

January 31st, 2006, 10:59 PM

I'd say that scen were minya and the boy stand there infront of godzilla and the human heros with the paino playing, then godzilla lowering his claws whale the human heros lower their guns and swords was pretty emotional. Plus, the scen of "Were not cattle, were humans!" had some emotion. Then gordon going through the flashback of him trapping godzilla was emotional IMO. Also, the commender telling gordon to save the earth right before he fights the mutants I thought was emotional (plus him and ozaki looking at each other before ozaki leaves.)

There was emotion in the monster battles emotions of excitment that's what godzilla monster battles are like. They are to excite and they never fail in my mind. Plus the Minya moment you mentioned had emotion in it and personal Minya wasen't that bad except when he talked in Godzillas Revenge ugh.

Saruman

January 31st, 2006, 11:39 PM

Saruman ive always had the utmost respect for you..so please dont take offense as i scream "WHAT?!!?!?!@?!"

None taken.

alright first lets get G3 and Daimajin out of the way...G3 very well could be the best kaiju film ever and i have yet to see the Daimajin films so im unable to comment...

Those 4 films are so far beyond GFW in their quality that they should never even be mentioned in the same sentence as GFW.

so as for GvsMG74, TOMG, and DAM although i love these films i beg to differ that they are superior to GFW in all of the ways you suggest. most of your comments were opinions mostly and not fact. while GFW may not be a "good film by any standard" DAM wasnt exactly oscar material either...i found much of that film to be extremely boring.

Actually I dislike DAM more than any other Showa film, so its hardly a biased opinion. GFW took all the flaws of DAM and simply made them worse. But the story for DAM was much more coherent and stable, it had direction and purpose. GFW's story was a jumbled mess, most people didn't even know the difference between Gorath and the comet that brought Monster X to earth. I could keep going but the story to GFW is so muddled it isn't even funny.

Good kaiju battles? yeah that whole 5 minutes at the end was great.

It's the most overrated battle in the Godzilla series, well until GFW. Now it has plenty of competition with all the lame fights in GFW.

As for good director well ill base it on the final product and say it could have been better...and acting? only some of the time. i believe there were more likable CHARACTERS in the showa series than in the millenium series altogether. only a few from those films really stand out to me as having good acting and even then its only a couple decent actors....

It's not about liking the characters its about talent and the Showa actors were all well more accomplished and just plain better actors than what we got in GFW.

gfw however had the xilian leader which i think did a brilliant job of acting like a complete psycho with immature whiney brat thrown in for good measure....

He was ok, probably the best actor in the movie, well actually the only prominent character that had any acting talent. After him though the rest were just useless and pretty horrible.

and Don Frye's performance will never win him an oscar but you didnt HAVE to be a good actor to play his part...he played a gruff, surly general to perfection. he wasnt meant to be shakepearian for gods sake.

No but you have to sell your part and he simply didn't do it. It was a horrible choice to cast him in that role, he's a wrestler, if you want him to do some phoney elbow drops fine, but he is a horrible actor. He couldn't even deliver any of his lines with impact, horrible job. People need to learn to let the wrestlers stay in the arena and not let them into movies, my god, just look at the long history of horrible movies and performances churned out by wrestlers. The only really good one was Jessie Ventura in Predator.

granted much of the rest was terrible but the same can be said for almost ANY godzilla film showa, heisei or shinsei...they may have one or two decent actors IF they are lucky while the rest are trash.

One or two? Maybe in the Heisei or Millenium series, but the Showa films were loaded with good actors, even in minor supporting roles.

as for directing i thought the film moved a bit fast but the scenes were done rather well i dont see the problem with those. special effect...the effects and cgi in gfw are the best ive seen in a godzilla film. i dont see the big deal there.

It moved fast and jumped around without any real reason. After you see Kitamura's other films, with the exception of Versus, you will understand just how poor a job he did on this movie. If this film moving fast is your only complaint, then I don't know what you are watching because it's clearly not the same movie I was. I already mentioned the Gorath/Comet problem, how about totally losing the whole purpose of Gorath to begin with, theres a plot hole Gorath could pass through. This film is simply riddled with script problems.

i know that was kinda jumbled up and may not have been as clear as i would have liked (i just woke up). however you said "just because you like it doesnt mean its good" but at the same time there only a COUPLE godzilla movies that are actually GOOD FILMS. G54, G85 and i think most would agree with Godzilla vs Biollante and possibly even GRA....and even those are pushing it a bit at times. i guess what im trying to say is although GFW isnt a GOOD film and will never be mentioned in the same breath as films such as Ben-Hur, well neither will GVSMG, TOMG or DAM. your argument for them against gfw sounded more like bias the way it came out, and dont get me wrong im not accusing you of anything. there are things about all 4 of those films that i love and some that i dislike but im a godzilla fan and i love them all...

As I already mentioned above, I dislike DAM more than any other Showa film, but its still a far better film than GFW. It has nothing to do with it having to be a great film like G'54 or Ben-Hur as you mentioned. But I do expect something of decent quality as far as Godzilla movies go. Was I expecting it to be another G'54 not by a long shot, but I was hoping for something better than DAM and that didn't happen. I would rather sit through GvSG than GFW, that should tell you something, if not then just ask Tom.;)

and GFW is better IMO than anything the millenium series had to offer....when i think back on the past 4 films all i can see is that horrible woman from one of the kiryu films, i forget which one, basically telling the little girl that she wishes she were dead. im like WHAT?!!?! yeah lets make the little girl suicidal before she reaches SEVEN YOU FREAK!!!!!! oh and lets not forget the kiryu squad while training and doing their little chant while jogging....who came up with that? im guessing it was a first grader. the dialogue there made me cringe.

I would actually say it's the least/worst of the Millenium series. Everyone knows how much I dislike GMK and GFW isn't even close to being as good as GMK was. While the Millenium series of films may not be the best films going, each one at the very least succeded in what it was trying to do. GFW was so jumbled and had so much thrown into it the film doesn't even begin to know what it is trying to become. GFW is probably the least Godzilla like of the entire 28 films, and for his 50th anniversary film that is pretty sad. Hell it had more in common with Kamen Rider and Power Rangers than it did Godzilla.

And don't base your judgement of things on dubs and subs because they are not usually the most reliable things to go by. Most of the time they put in so many stupid lines you simply want to cringe.

so enjoy GFW for what it is...or dont but even if you dislike it its not the worst godzilla film ever.

Your right it's not the worst Godzilla film because it doesn't even know if its a Godzilla film. I set it off to the side with GINO in the WTH was that pile of films.

Saruman

February 1st, 2006, 12:00 AM

The good scripts part...well...with exception to Gojira, let's be honest, hardly any other Godzilla film had a good script. Here, like Reaper said, it comes out as your opinion. TOMG is one of my favorite Godzilla films, but the way it was written was so hodge-podged, I had to watch it several times when I first saw it to try and make any sense out of it. Considering Honda directed that one himself, it seemed very disorganized for a movie he did. DAM was more or less an armageddon style story so-to-speak. The crazy aliens and their crazy suits didn't help matters and the dialogue and how most of the characters were not terrified of eleven monsters coming after them seemed a bit odd.

Most of the Showa scripts were written very well, with only a few exceptions. But you also have to look at what the films are trying to accomplish. Take Godzilla's Revenge, not the best movie for sure, but the script was very well done and it got its point across effectively, it accomplished what it set out to do. GFW is one of the most scattered films I have seen even by bad B-Movie standards. Maybe if they had tried to simply make a Godzilla movie they would have succeded. But this film doesn't know if it wants to be a Godzilla movie, The Matrix, Kamen Rider, Power Rangers or something else. By tryin to put something in to please everyone they completely lost sight of what was going on.

In regards with the good directors, yeah that is true. HOWEVER...look at the film that is considered the worst of the series, Godzilla's Revenge. Who was it directed by? Ishiro Honda; the man who directed the greatest Godzilla film of all-time in Gojira. Honda churned out some mush in his time and he, unfortunately, wasn't as consistent in his directing like he was with Gojira. Of course part of the blame can be put on Toho and them making the budgets for the movies, but still, the stories could have been better than they were even with a tight budget.

I already addressed most of this above. But to touch on something again, you have to remember what was trying to be accomplished with these films at the time they were made. Most of the Showa films were made for kids, not teenagers and adults. GFW WAS targeted at an older audience, which is why they took elements for other more popular sources that older teens and adults liked. The same can be said for the music, Sum41 was only picked because they were something though to be popular with older teens. As a result once again this film tried to make to many people happy and it failed in almost every way possible.

As far as the kaiju battles, that is more or less a preference of taste. To me, to be quite honest, I think all kaiju battles are the same. What makes them different, to me, is where the battles are and which kaiju are involved. Other than that, it's just the same ole thing with kaiju shooting beams, kicking and punching each other, body slams, etc.

I won't totally disagree with you on that, but kaiju can also elicit emotion in their battles, the Heisei Gamera series is an excellent example of that.

HolyGoji777

February 1st, 2006, 12:32 AM

None taken.

AWESOME. some people get all worked up when you call them out on something but really i have no ill intent. as i said i have always respected you...now ON WITH THE DEBATE!

Those 4 films are so far beyond GFW in their quality that they should never even be mentioned in the same sentence as GFW.

id totally agree with you as far as G3 goes...and as i said i cant comment on Daimajin yet.

Actually I dislike DAM more than any other Showa film, so its hardly a biased opinion. GFW took all the flaws of DAM and simply made them worse. But the story for DAM was much more coherent and stable, it had direction and purpose. GFW's story was a jumbled mess, most people didn't even know the difference between Gorath and the comet that brought Monster X to earth. I could keep going but the story to GFW is so muddled it isn't even funny.

seems pretty cut and dry to me really...i think everyones problem with it is there was a LOT of stuff going on and the movie moved really fast...basically they tried to fit a 3 hour movie into 2 hours.

It's the most overrated battle in the Godzilla series, well until GFW. Now it has plenty of competition with all the lame fights in GFW.

id take anyone of the fights in GFW over DAM. yes they were quick but i think they were far from lame (with the exception of gigans second death, and the ebirah/hedorah death). kamacuras being stabbed, the soccer fight, the demise of Gino, and even the final battle against monster x was all pretty kool and far more interesting considering that DAM did NOTHING different compared to the rest of the series.

It's not about liking the characters its about talent and the Showa actors were all well more accomplished and just plain better actors than what we got in GFW.

yeah cuz that seatopian leader was oozed talent...as well as any of the other alien leaders for that matter. lol excuse my sarcasm. but honestly you could be a very talented actor but if the characters are crap well there isnt very many actors who can save them. likewise good writing can make a mediocre talent look brilliant...i mean look at american cinema and you can find HUNDREDS of actors that have taken roles where the characters are terrible and the movies were likewise...so more accomplished actors doesnt always mean it is reflected on screen.

He was ok, probably the best actor in the movie, well actually the only prominent character that had any acting talent. After him though the rest were just useless and pretty horrible.

i agree with you that hes probably the best actor in the film...however i dont see the others in any worse light then many of the characters in any series of godzilla films.

No but you have to sell your part and he simply didn't do it. It was a horrible choice to cast him in that role, he's a wrestler, if you want him to do some phoney elbow drops fine, but he is a horrible actor. He couldn't even deliver any of his lines with impact, horrible job. People need to learn to let the wrestlers stay in the arena and not let them into movies, my god, just look at the long history of horrible movies and performances churned out by wrestlers. The only really good one was Jessie Ventura in Predator.

i bought his part...i dont know i thought he did a pretty good job...he was a little stiff and wooden but i totally bought into that as part of the character itself. i guess we agree to disagree on that one.

jesse ventura was indeed great in predator but dont count out The Rock as he has several decent films IMO. The rundown was pretty good and the Walking Tall remake was even better. to me he was always a good actor even from his wrestling days because thats half of what wrestling is.

One or two? Maybe in the Heisei or Millenium series, but the Showa films were loaded with good actors, even in minor supporting roles.

again good actors doesnt always mean it is reflected on screen. this is proved by most of the showa series. GvsGigan, GvsMG, GvsMegalon, TOMG, DAM, GvsH, GTTHM and some others all had some really terrible parts.

It moved fast and jumped around without any real reason. After you see Kitamura's other films, with the exception of Versus, you will understand just how poor a job he did on this movie. If this film moving fast is your only complaint, then I don't know what you are watching because it's clearly not the same movie I was. I already mentioned the Gorath/Comet problem, how about totally losing the whole purpose of Gorath to begin with, theres a plot hole Gorath could pass through. This film is simply riddled with script problems.

like i said it seems pretty cut and dry to me...it was clearly stated that gorath was simply a hologram and obviously much larger than the comet carrying Monster X if it was big enough to destroy the planet. if some didnt get this i dont see how it was missed...seemed pretty obvious to me. i dont see how gorath caused a "plot hole" because it was simply a trick by the aliens..[/quote]

As I already mentioned above, I dislike DAM more than any other Showa film, but its still a far better film than GFW. It has nothing to do with it having to be a great film like G'54 or Ben-Hur as you mentioned. But I do expect something of decent quality as far as Godzilla movies go. Was I expecting it to be another G'54 not by a long shot, but I was hoping for something better than DAM and that didn't happen. I would rather sit through GvSG than GFW, that should tell you something, if not then just ask Tom.;)

i found GFW to be far more interesting than DAM. more action, more complex story line, and as i said far better and more interesting kaiju fights.

I would actually say it's the least/worst of the Millenium series. Everyone knows how much I dislike GMK and GFW isn't even close to being as good as GMK was. While the Millenium series of films may not be the best films going, each one at the very least succeded in what it was trying to do. GFW was so jumbled and had so much thrown into it the film doesn't even begin to know what it is trying to become. GFW is probably the least Godzilla like of the entire 28 films, and for his 50th anniversary film that is pretty sad. Hell it had more in common with Kamen Rider and Power Rangers than it did Godzilla.

i dont know i wasnt nearly as impressed by GMK as i was GFW. GFW DID have a lot of stuff going on because it was one big homage to 50+ years of godzilla history and at the same taking it in a whole new direction. it was vastly different than any G film before it but that doesnt always have to be a bad thing...it was refreshing. i think it totally succeeded at what it was trying to do...show respect to 50 years of films while at the same time updating the series. while not a great film it succeeded in both aspects.

And don't base your judgement of things on dubs and subs because they are not usually the most reliable things to go by. Most of the time they put in so many stupid lines you simply want to cringe.

agreed.

Your right it's not the worst Godzilla film because it doesn't even know if its a Godzilla film. I set it off to the side with GINO in the WTH was that pile of films.

while the human struggle was brought to the forefront much more than in any other film, its still very obviously a godzilla flick...and a welcome addition to my collection. comparing it to gino is like comparing Hamlet to something written by a third grader.

thats my two cents

Jet Jaguar

February 1st, 2006, 11:27 AM

I too, enjoyed the film.

That's right. :p
Wow....:O

I KIND OF liked it. The score I liked,and for the robotic life of me I don't know WHY y'all don't like it

Orga777

February 1st, 2006, 01:00 PM

Intersting to say the least. Did I totally dispise the movie, definitly not. But it definitly wasn't the best Goji movie out there, heck it isn't enven the best in the Millenium era. If I was to make a list, it would be in the middle like 16-18. It has a lot of flaws. The fights were short enough that it felt like you were watching the movie in fast forward. Then there was the acting which was rather bland. Not to mention it felt more like a American made movie heck I even caught just about every part in the movie that felt like a American Hollywood movie. Kitamura also put WAY too much into the human fights than the monster fights, and it isn't supposed to be that way in a true Godzilla movie. In short if this wasn't the 50th I would have liked it more, but this isn't a movie that should have been made for the going away party.

Saruman

February 1st, 2006, 04:44 PM

id totally agree with you as far as G3 goes...and as i said i cant comment on Daimajin yet.

You really need to pick the Daimajin films up then, your missing out on some excellent films.

seems pretty cut and dry to me really...i think everyones problem with it is there was a LOT of stuff going on and the movie moved really fast...basically they tried to fit a 3 hour movie into 2 hours.

Listen to what your saying here. If there is to much going on that they can't fit it into the time alloted for this film, then that right there tells you this film has way to many problems and needs to have a bunch of stuff removed from it. That is a sign of poor directing and it shows very much in the finished product.

id take anyone of the fights in GFW over DAM. yes they were quick but i think they were far from lame (with the exception of gigans second death, and the ebirah/hedorah death). kamacuras being stabbed, the soccer fight, the demise of Gino, and even the final battle against monster x was all pretty kool and far more interesting considering that DAM did NOTHING different compared to the rest of the series.

Actually I wouldn't, DAM's final battle was very significant and emotional, something that none of the battles in GFW had going for them. It wasn't the best battle filmed in the Showa series, but it had a much more importance as it's the end of the entire Showa series and we finally see Godzilla's greatest foe die. Monster X and Keizer Ghidorah just are not in King Ghidorah's league, because we have had numerous films to get to know King Ghidorah, which makes his death more important. Granted that isn't MX and Keiser Ghidorah's fault for being in only one film.

yeah cuz that seatopian leader was oozed talent...as well as any of the other alien leaders for that matter. lol excuse my sarcasm. but honestly you could be a very talented actor but if the characters are crap well there isnt very many actors who can save them. likewise good writing can make a mediocre talent look brilliant...i mean look at american cinema and you can find HUNDREDS of actors that have taken roles where the characters are terrible and the movies were likewise...so more accomplished actors doesnt always mean it is reflected on screen.

You can go through the etire Showa series and pick out probably at the least 5 good performances in each film by a prominent character. GFW had ONE good performance in it by a prominent character. The rest were simply uninspired performances and very bland.

i agree with you that hes probably the best actor in the film...however i dont see the others in any worse light then many of the characters in any series of godzilla films.

As I said, the rest of them were uninspired and bland. I didn't think you could get a group of actors that were more stiff and dull then the ones in GMK, but Kitamura was able to do just that.

i bought his part...i dont know i thought he did a pretty good job...he was a little stiff and wooden but i totally bought into that as part of the character itself. i guess we agree to disagree on that one.

He had absolutely no emotion. An actor is supposed to make the audience FEEL something, but he wasn't able to do that. Every word out of his mouth was so monotone it was pathetic, it felt like he was reading his lines from a teleprompter.

jesse ventura was indeed great in predator but dont count out The Rock as he has several decent films IMO. The rundown was pretty good and the Walking Tall remake was even better. to me he was always a good actor even from his wrestling days because thats half of what wrestling is.

Never saw Walking Tall, but the rest of The Rocks performances were pretty poor, Mummy Returns, Scorpion King and DOOM. The Rundown was an ok film, but nothing all that impressive.

again good actors doesnt always mean it is reflected on screen. this is proved by most of the showa series. GvsGigan, GvsMG, GvsMegalon, TOMG, DAM, GvsH, GTTHM and some others all had some really terrible parts.

There are some excellent performances in mostly all of those films by more then one person. They also had much less time to make those films in those days as well. I'll take the cast of any of the showa films over the cast of GFW any day.

like i said it seems pretty cut and dry to me...it was clearly stated that gorath was simply a hologram and obviously much larger than the comet carrying Monster X if it was big enough to destroy the planet. if some didnt get this i dont see how it was missed...seemed pretty obvious to me. i dont see how gorath caused a "plot hole" because it was simply a trick by the aliens..

What was the purpose of Gorath in the film? Answer that and then you will discover your plot hole.

i found GFW to be far more interesting than DAM. more action, more complex story line, and as i said far better and more interesting kaiju fights.

I find both films lacking in many ways, but DAM's script is much more thoughtout and cohesive than GFW's. GFW is simply trying to be to many things for to many people, which caused the entire script to become to muddled. They could have dropped a bunch of things and this film would have been much better for it.

i dont know i wasnt nearly as impressed by GMK as i was GFW. GFW DID have a lot of stuff going on because it was one big homage to 50+ years of godzilla history and at the same taking it in a whole new direction. it was vastly different than any G film before it but that doesnt always have to be a bad thing...it was refreshing. i think it totally succeeded at what it was trying to do...show respect to 50 years of films while at the same time updating the series. while not a great film it succeeded in both aspects.

This film doesn't even come close to doing what it was supposed to. This was supposed to be Godzilla's 50th anniversary film, it was supposed to be about Godzilla and this film simply makes him a supporting character to the human and alien story that is happening. It's also the least Godzilla like of any of the Godzilla series. Sorry, but I don't want to see Power Ranger/Kamen Rider wannabe's in Godzilla films. I don't want to see 15 second kaiju fights because we have to show more of the Power Ranger/Kamen Rider wannabe's fighting. I don't want to see some lame *** ending like we got in GFW, possibably the worst ending of any Godzilla movie.

while the human struggle was brought to the forefront much more than in any other film, its still very obviously a godzilla flick...and a welcome addition to my collection. comparing it to gino is like comparing Hamlet to something written by a third grader.

There does need to be a human story, thats a given, but that story shouldn't push Godzilla to a secondary character, and that is exactly what GFW did. Hell even in GINO they knew that the focus of the movie should be on him, and knowing how much I despise GINO that should tell you something. Sorry but I bet a third grader could have written a better script than the muddled mess that we got, they probably could have done a better job of directing it as well.

godzillamoviemaster

February 1st, 2006, 05:05 PM

...But GFW... I've seen it well over one-hundred times.
I hope you were being sarcastic there...that cant be healthy!:bored: I mean that would be over 200 hours, or nearly 8 days strait!:D

I don't just like it, I love it. Possibly more than anything else in the world... I watch it a lot.
I agree with you on that one though. I bought it, and it is my favorite movie I own, and probably my favorite out of all the movies my family owns (the difference is that all the movies I own are movies that only I like, so I had to buy them my self). I have seen it alot though. In fact I will probably watch it again this weekend, unless my movies I bought from Amazon come (the Transporter 1 and 2).

What was the purpose of Gorath in the film? Answer that and then you will discover your plot hole.
That was obvious to me, it was to gain our trust.

HolyGoji777

February 1st, 2006, 05:16 PM

You really need to pick the Daimajin films up then, your missing out on some excellent films.

yes ive been meaning to do so. its fairly high on my list of films to get.

Listen to what your saying here. If there is to much going on that they can't fit it into the time alloted for this film, then that right there tells you this film has way to many problems and needs to have a bunch of stuff removed from it. That is a sign of poor directing and it shows very much in the finished product.

i agree it moved too fast and could have used either more time or less content.

Actually I wouldn't, DAM's final battle was very significant and emotional, something that none of the battles in GFW had going for them. It wasn't the best battle filmed in the Showa series, but it had a much more importance as it's the end of the entire Showa series and we finally see Godzilla's greatest foe die. Monster X and Keizer Ghidorah just are not in King Ghidorah's league, because we have had numerous films to get to know King Ghidorah, which makes his death more important. Granted that isn't MX and Keiser Ghidorah's fault for being in only one film.

i kinda view them all as different versions of the same monster...or different incarnations might i say. when i watched the final battle versus X/KG i felt like it was the same old rivalry i had grew up loving. i guess its how you look at it...if you see MX/KG as a completely different character then yeah i could see your point in a way...

You can go through the etire Showa series and pick out probably at the least 5 good performances in each film by a prominent character. GFW had ONE good performance in it by a prominent character. The rest were simply uninspired performances and very bland.

ill give you the benefit of the doubt here because the showa series had a much broader range of good characters than any series since.

As I said, the rest of them were uninspired and bland. I didn't think you could get a group of actors that were more stiff and dull then the ones in GMK, but Kitamura was able to do just that.

lol i wouldnt go that far...GMK SUCKED in the character department. heck if Yuri wasnt so good looking i wouldnt have kept watching lol :laugh: kidding of course but the humans were really bad.

He had absolutely no emotion. An actor is supposed to make the audience FEEL something, but he wasn't able to do that. Every word out of his mouth was so monotone it was pathetic, it felt like he was reading his lines from a teleprompter.

i can see your point but i just felt he was pretty bada$$ and it was just in his character to be hard and not very charasmatic.

Never saw Walking Tall, but the rest of The Rocks performances were pretty poor, Mummy Returns, Scorpion King and DOOM. The Rundown was an ok film, but nothing all that impressive.

never saw scorpion king, mummy 2 or doom yet....dont really care to either. but walking tall was pretty good i liked that film.

What was the purpose of Gorath in the film? Answer that and then you will discover your plot hole.

maybe im being blind or not looking hard enough but the purpose of Gorath was supposed to get the earth to concentrate all its weaponry on it so the aliens could effectively conquer us without much resistance. it was the older xilian leaders wish to use this method over the "lets just blow them up" way. i dont really see the problem.

I find both films lacking in many ways, but DAM's script is much more thoughtout and cohesive than GFW's. GFW is simply trying to be to many things for to many people, which caused the entire script to become to muddled. They could have dropped a bunch of things and this film would have been much better for it.

i guess were pretty much in agreement there...but i suppose im just more willing to forgive.

This film doesn't even come close to doing what it was supposed to. This was supposed to be Godzilla's 50th anniversary film, it was supposed to be about Godzilla and this film simply makes him a supporting character to the human and alien story that is happening. It's also the least Godzilla like of any of the Godzilla series. Sorry, but I don't want to see Power Ranger/Kamen Rider wannabe's in Godzilla films. I don't want to see 15 second kaiju fights because we have to show more of the Power Ranger/Kamen Rider wannabe's fighting. I don't want to see some lame *** ending like we got in GFW, possibably the worst ending of any Godzilla movie.

while not the best choice for his 50th anniversary i think it paid respects to the series itself. and as i said before kaiju screen time was a HUGE disappointment. however about the ending although lame i would rather have that as opposed to killing godzilla off again which is getting annoying.

but for all of its faults i dont see a worthless movie. i had a lot of fun watching it although it wasnt what i in particular wanted. it was way more fun than the previous four installments IMO which were incredibly weak. i guess thats about all i gotta say. i still dont think its nearly as bad as some make it out to be. i concentrate on having fun with it and not on what the film isnt.

darthzilla99

February 1st, 2006, 09:57 PM

For those of you that hate the short fighting, well I talked to a friend about this (who is not a kaiju fan btw) and this is what he told me, "Its not about how long the fights are or how flashy they are, its about what gets done and how much damage is done."

To give an example, in Final Fantasy 7:advent children, the tifa fight scen in the church is not very long (like mabey 1 or 2 minates.) Yet, she did alot of hits to that guy in that little of time. Now, whale the GFW fights are not the same in that much punching and hits, I still liked them because they got a good amount done in thier short of span.

FYI saruman, I was not talking acting or writing when I was comparing movies, I was talking about kaiju battles.

godzookie

February 2nd, 2006, 12:56 AM

For those of you that hate the short fighting, well I talked to a friend about this (who is not a kaiju fan btw) and this is what he told me, "Its not about how long the fights are or how flashy they are, its about what gets done and how much damage is done."

To give an example, in Final Fantasy 7:advent children, the tifa fight scen in the church is not very long (like mabey 1 or 2 minates.) Yet, she did alot of hits to that guy in that little of time. Now, whale the GFW fights are not the same in that much punching and hits, I still liked them because they got a good amount done in thier short of span.

I watch kaiju fights like I watch a wrestling match. A story needs to be told and the hero needs to look beatable. If the hero can easily win every fight he walks into there is no reaason to care about his fights. The fight is not always about the hero's struggles but most should be and sometimes this it can not be acheived through a short fight.

Cookson

February 2nd, 2006, 03:31 PM

Either you will be mad at me for posting this or nobody will post on this topic anymore.

After about a year and a half since this movie was released there is still people asking others "Am I the only one who like GFW?". NO your not. Theres probably thousands and thousands of people who enjoyed the movie. I have no problem what so ever about people debating about the movie(Which this thread ended up turning into.....Thats cool) but I hate it when people are asking people if they are the only one who liked the movie.

kritaya

February 2nd, 2006, 10:22 PM

I...didn't care for GFW for every reason that's probably been named. But when I loaned it to a non-fan friend of mine, he loved it. When I asked why (because frankly I couldn't understand) he said it reminded him of the Showa movies. So there you go. Different strokes and all that. If you liked it, good for you. Wish I could say the same.

Void Skull

February 3rd, 2006, 12:38 AM

Well, I DID like GFW, i don't get beat up for saying that do I?:look: Well, anyways, it could use some tweaking in monster time, instead of a "sudden death" with hedorah, perhaps a TRUE battle?!

RadoGoji

February 3rd, 2006, 01:21 PM

I liked it. It's not anywhere close to the best, but I still enjoy watching it.

darthzilla99

February 3rd, 2006, 05:11 PM

I watch kaiju fights like I watch a wrestling match. A story needs to be told and the hero needs to look beatable. If the hero can easily win every fight he walks into there is no reaason to care about his fights. The fight is not always about the hero's struggles but most should be and sometimes this it can not be acheived through a short fight.

Heres a way. A darkness has fallen upon the world. A old hero must rise again and fight. The tyarnt is sending different puppet villains. So far, one on one the hero beats them like thier nothing. The tyarnt sends more then one at once (in this case, three) at the hero. They put up a decent fight, but the hero beats them anyway. Finally, the tyarnt sends his ultamate weapon. The hero has finally met his equal. Then has the hero's new side kick comes to help, the tyarnt sends one of his other puppets that fought the hero earilar now more powerful then before. After the two fight for a bit, the puppet villian knocks out the sidekick. It looks like the sidekick is dead. Now the hero is up against two villians. Just as the hero seems hes gonna lose. But what, the sidekick is not dead. He comes to the aid of the hero. Now the sidekick and the puppet villian fight some more. It seems the sidekick is gonna lose. The puppet villian gets pride in him and thinks he is gonna win. But the sidekick, knowing he/she is gonna die anyway, decides to take the puppet villian down in the process. The hero and the villain are still fighting. Just as the hero gains the upper hand, the villian now shows his true face. It seems the villian is beating the hero and there's nothing the hero can do. Then an outside help decides to give the hero more strength. The hero now gains the upper hand again and finishs off the villian once and for all.

Mecha-Rodan

February 3rd, 2006, 10:08 PM

^ You know, that makes the movie sound better than it actually was...

kent

February 4th, 2006, 08:23 PM

I do like the movie. However, I will agree with everyone that the kaiju screen time was way too short and the fights were chopped up in between human drama. Course it has happened in many other G-Films, but not to the great length and consistency it was shown here. The Godzilla and Monster X fight seemed like it was only about four or so minutes in length due to the big fight in the Xilian ship.
The movie as a whole is entertaining, at least I find it to be. But there is too much human drama involved and just not enough kaiju. The human story is interesting, but I bought it to see Godzilla and his cohorts. To me, this film's biggest flaw was not showing enough of Godzilla for one thing and his other kaiju adversaries.
I will agree too, the story is a bit jumbled and it does try to do too many things in a short two hours. Visually, I found the film to be stunning! I would consider the visual aspect of the film a work of art with the different colors used and how well CGI was used in some areas.
I see the film as nothing more than just a fun Godzilla film that has a great sequence of battles towards the end. Everything else is at least halfway interesting.

godzookie

February 6th, 2006, 04:09 AM

Heres a way. A darkness has fallen upon the world. A old hero must rise again and fight. The tyarnt is sending different puppet villains. So far, one on one the hero beats them like thier nothing. The tyarnt sends more then one at once (in this case, three) at the hero. They put up a decent fight, but the hero beats them anyway. Finally, the tyarnt sends his ultamate weapon. The hero has finally met his equal. Then has the hero's new side kick comes to help, the tyarnt sends one of his other puppets that fought the hero earilar now more powerful then before. After the two fight for a bit, the puppet villian knocks out the sidekick. It looks like the sidekick is dead. Now the hero is up against two villians. Just as the hero seems hes gonna lose. But what, the sidekick is not dead. He comes to the aid of the hero. Now the sidekick and the puppet villian fight some more. It seems the sidekick is gonna lose. The puppet villian gets pride in him and thinks he is gonna win. But the sidekick, knowing he/she is gonna die anyway, decides to take the puppet villian down in the process. The hero and the villain are still fighting. Just as the hero gains the upper hand, the villian now shows his true face. It seems the villian is beating the hero and there's nothing the hero can do. Then an outside help decides to give the hero more strength. The hero now gains the upper hand again and finishs off the villian once and for all.

I think you have missed my point. Most of the individual fights tell no story of their own. At best, they show how powerful godzilla is. What is the point in that?

HolyGoji777

February 6th, 2006, 11:39 AM

I think you have missed my point. Most of the individual fights tell no story of their own. At best, they show how powerful godzilla is. What is the point in that?

oh i dont know i guess its because kitamura said all along he wanted to showcase how powerful godzilla was. maybe that was the point.

littleman10blue

February 7th, 2006, 11:58 PM

i liked G:FW, it wasnt the best Godzilla movie that ive ever seen but it was enjoyable. but i agree with a lot of people that the fights were to short, except the fight with Zilla, i would have liked to see the real King of the Monsters to have wooped on him some more, not that Zilla would have put up much off a fight!:laugh:

Saruman

February 8th, 2006, 12:25 AM

oh i dont know i guess its because kitamura said all along he wanted to showcase how powerful godzilla was. maybe that was the point.

This got me thinking about something. Why did both Kaneko and Kitamura feel they needed to show how powerful Godzilla was by making him fight pathetic opponents? We all know how powerful Godzilla is, any of them, so why make him fight pitiful opponents we know he's simply going to walk right through? For everything the Heisei series wasn't, it got this right by making Godzilla have to actually battle opponents that were capable of beating him. He actually had to FIGHT to beat his opponents, not just fire one beam and move on to the next group of pancakes.

godzookie

February 8th, 2006, 05:57 AM

It would have made more sense to show how powerful Monster X/ Kaiser Ghidorah since he was new and nedded to be established as a threat to Godzilla.

HolyGoji777

February 8th, 2006, 06:29 PM

It would have made more sense to show how powerful Monster X/ Kaiser Ghidorah since he was new and nedded to be established as a threat to Godzilla.

except for the fact that it DID establish him as a threat...considering godzilla just demolished all his previous opponents but then suddenly had trouble with him.

and as for "why did we need to see it" well no godzilla was ever this powerful before. kitamura and kaneko wanted to show that he was indeed king of the monsters i guess.

Saruman

February 8th, 2006, 11:19 PM

except for the fact that it DID establish him as a threat...considering godzilla just demolished all his previous opponents but then suddenly had trouble with him.

Not all that much trouble IMO, I think GKG would have spanked MX or KzG.

and as for "why did we need to see it" well no godzilla was ever this powerful before. kitamura and kaneko wanted to show that he was indeed king of the monsters i guess.

But it doesn't show that. When you have to weaken other monsters just to make one look more powerful, then it lessens the impact of the one your trying to make appear so much more powerful.

You show strength not by having him blast an opponent once and demolish them. Instead you make him have to go through a real battle that not only shows his offensive power, but his toughness and endurance as well. That is something that both GMK and FW Goji lack, the proper display of toughness and endurance and it weakens the character more than it does to improve it.

godzookie

February 9th, 2006, 07:05 AM

except for the fact that it DID establish him as a threat...considering godzilla just demolished all his previous opponents but then suddenly had trouble with him.

and as for "why did we need to see it" well no godzilla was ever this powerful before. kitamura and kaneko wanted to show that he was indeed king of the monsters i guess.

By threat I mean the possibility of danger (maybe I am using the wrong word). Once the two are fighting it is to late to establish him as a threat since he is definately a danger. The movie would have been more interesting (for me at least) if the hero has to overcome obstacles. Since the hero usually overcomes obstacles during the climax and the movie should be built up to the climax, the heroes obstacles should be developed before the climax.

darthzilla99

February 9th, 2006, 09:09 PM

You show strength not by having him blast an opponent once and demolish them. Instead you make him have to go through a real battle that not only shows his offensive power, but his toughness and endurance as well. That is something that both GMK and FW Goji lack, the proper display of toughness and endurance and it weakens the character more than it does to improve it.

Then what do you call those 2 huge exsplosions in tokyo?:eyebrow: (first being the meteor, second godzilla's and monster x's beam lock.)

Saruman

February 10th, 2006, 03:37 PM

Then what do you call those 2 huge exsplosions in tokyo?:eyebrow: (first being the meteor, second godzilla's and monster x's beam lock.)

Nothing impressive IMO. The beam lock was nothing special, no more impressive than any other beam lock we have seen. The meteor while more impressive is also weakened by the fact that MX came out of it. So Godzilla took something his opponent also took. There are many kaiju that would have taken both of those with pretty much the same result.

The blast that Gamera took in G2 from the Legion flower was more impressive than MX's meteor. That blast leveled everything, nothing was left standing. MX's meteor left plenty of buildings standing, wasn't much more than a small nuke, which we already know Godzilla can take with ease, it's what made him after all.

So no I wasn't impressed by any of it as it's all stuff thats already established for the character. Which brings me back to my point, that being you don't weaken Godzilla just to make him look stronger, that just cheapens his image. It says to me that he couldn't face these opponents if they were their normal selves. I would have rather seen them drop all of the kaiju in this film and just have him face MX/KzG, and really give us good long battles that would showcase the Kaiju and allow us to see their full strength and ability.

Instead were treated to mostly quick one shot kills that did absolutely nothing to show Godzilla in all his glory, which is what the 50th anniversary film should have been.

Mecha74

February 12th, 2006, 02:40 PM

I know a co-worker who loves the film, but uh.......he's also a stoner.:look:

All joking aside the trend I am seeing are non-Goji fans enjoying this film ironically enough.

EternalMothra

February 12th, 2006, 08:11 PM

I know a co-worker who loves the film, but uh.......he's also a stoner.:look:

All joking aside the trend I am seeing are non-Goji fans enjoying this film ironically enough.

I have noticed that trend as well. I find that very ironic, it makes us fans sound very fussy about everything doesn't it?:laugh:

godzillamoviemaster

February 12th, 2006, 11:30 PM

I dont know. I LOVE it, and I showed it to my best friend, and he liked it too. I think it was because he likes anime so much. He especially loved the "Bad-tits American guy with the Katana" (his words, not mine). I think Kitamura achived his goal of reaching a larger base. And along with Godzilla, I also love crazy action Kung-fu movies, so it really hit the ticket with me. I plan on showing it to more of my pals too- you know I wound be tired of it, I love this movie so.

As for the explosions, the only other blast I can think of that was even close to the impact explosion would be the one in G2. But BTW, the difference is that, oh yeah, that one KILLED him:hmmm: . Also, the comet crashed right ontop of Godzilla and exploded. Yet Godzilla was compleatly unscathed. I mean look at the before-
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20660.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20639.jpg

and after-
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20670.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20677.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20852.jpg

That should be enough to show that this Godzilla is fricken indestructable, but he still lived through the beam lock and being tossed like a rag-doll by Kaiser Ghidorah and lived, along with all of the other stuff he was put through. Plus, Monster X lived through the same thing, and Godzilla was able to beat him still. Hmmmm...

darthzilla99

February 13th, 2006, 12:15 AM

Nothing impressive IMO. The beam lock was nothing special, no more impressive than any other beam lock we have seen. The meteor while more impressive is also weakened by the fact that MX came out of it. So Godzilla took something his opponent also took. There are many kaiju that would have taken both of those with pretty much the same result.

The blast that Gamera took in G2 from the Legion flower was more impressive than MX's meteor. That blast leveled everything, nothing was left standing. MX's meteor left plenty of buildings standing, wasn't much more than a small nuke, which we already know Godzilla can take with ease, it's what made him after all.

One: we have never seen him take a nuke on land before. There is one idea of the atomic bomb waking him up from his slumper. Now, we do not know if it hit him or if it was the nose that woke him, so you can't count that. Next you have in Gvs.KG where it mutated him. In the movie, they said the bomb was tested on a NEARBY island. We do not know how close the islands were, so we do not know if he was in the exsplosion. We only know that the radation mutated him, so you can't count that as well. Next we have the supmarine that sank in the ocean in the 70's. That was underwater and yes being underwater does make that much of a difference, both in the force and the heat of the exsplosion. Plus we do not know if he was hit by the exsplosion. we only know that the sup's radation mutated him. Next, we have the nuclear supmarine that godzilla attacks and absorbs the energy. Again, that was underwater.

Right now I am to lazy to list off stuff he did in the movie, so here is a link to someone else who did research. http://www.geocities.com/godzillauniverse/GodzillaStats.html

And for all your bashing on MX/KZG being weak, well, guess what one of the first things that toho and the direactor said about him. That he is gonna be godzilla's most powerful foe ever. If toho and the direactor says so, and its recent, and a new godzilla movie has not been made since, then he is. Take it or leave it.

Darth Reaper

February 20th, 2006, 02:26 PM

The meteor explosion is a curious thing to me. It seemed to leave a crater about the same size as the one that was left by the Legion flower in Gamera 2, yet there are things still standing around Godzilla's crater, though badly damaged, while there's nothing still standing around Gamera's crater.

The only explanation that I can come up with is that somebody made a mistake. Either they should have left some things standing in G2, or they should have left nothing standing in GFW. I may have to go with the latter.

Saruman

February 20th, 2006, 10:03 PM

As for the explosions, the only other blast I can think of that was even close to the impact explosion would be the one in G2. But BTW, the difference is that, oh yeah, that one KILLED him:hmmm:

Then you need to watch the movie again, Gamera was not dead, he was hurt and needed to heal, which is exactly what he did. If he was dead then Asagi would have known that he was and made different comments than the ones she makes.

Also, the comet crashed right ontop of Godzilla and exploded. Yet Godzilla was compleatly unscathed. I mean look at the before-
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20660.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20639.jpg

and after-
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20670.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20677.jpg
http://www.tokyomonsters.com/images/filmstills/finalwars/gfw%20852.jpg

That should be enough to show that this Godzilla is fricken indestructable

I have the movie so I don't really need to see pictures of it, though I don't know why you put a picture of Hedorah in there. But as I already said that exlosion is no more than a nuke which just doesn't impress me as I would expect godzilla to be able to take that.

but he still lived through the beam lock

Again not impressive, we have seen it done numerous times before and the ones in the heisei series were much more impressive to me.

and being tossed like a rag-doll by Kaiser Ghidorah and lived, along with all of the other stuff he was put through.

Yes thats right the indestructable GFW Godzilla lived and why is that? Oh thats right he needed an assist from the humans to power him up to beat his "toughest" opponent, LOL.

Plus, Monster X lived through the same thing, and Godzilla was able to beat him still. Hmmmm...

Guess you missed where I already pinted this out.:sarcasm: And he never really beat MX, they were pretty much even throughout. If he had actually beaten MX then MX wouldn't have been able to transform into KzG and the movie would have ended there.

Solar_Behemoth

February 21st, 2006, 03:35 PM

In theory, Godzilla could have actually been dead when Kaiser Ghidorah was holding his motionless body up and draining his energy. Godzilla was killed in Gvs.MG2, remember, but was revitalized by Rodan. This could also be the case with Godzilla "coming back to life" from Ozaki's stupid energy thing (which didn't make any sense.)

Kaiser Ghidorah is stronger than GFW Godzilla.

Darth Reaper

February 23rd, 2006, 07:21 PM

Never saw Walking Tall, but the rest of The Rocks performances were pretty poor, Mummy Returns, Scorpion King and DOOM. The Rundown was an ok film, but nothing all that impressive.- Saruman

Gotta disagree with you there Saruman. I thought The Rock's performances were quite good. I'd say that he's at least as good as some of the other action stars who've come before him.

BS Digital Q

February 23rd, 2006, 07:55 PM

Well, he has potential, he just needs a good director to work with and experience.

Zardac the Great

February 26th, 2006, 04:34 PM

I really like GFW.

I like the fact that Godzilla stomps all!

I like Gigan, and the new Gigan rocks!

Gotta like Anguirus and Rodan!

I like the mixing of Japanese and English.

I like that Mothra dies.

I like that the Mothra Twins only have cameo appearences.

I HATE MINYA!!!!!(Minilla, Milla?)

Seriously, this is not the best Godzilla movie, but it is a good one. It is supposed to be fun, and it is. It is an aniversary movie, and it brings back memmories from the Godzillian past

darthzilla99

February 27th, 2006, 09:49 PM

Yes thats right the indestructable GFW Godzilla lived and why is that? Oh thats right he needed an assist from the humans to power him up to beat his "toughest" opponent, LOL.

Lets see, hmmm, heisei godzilla needed a power boost and the humans to take out king ghidorah's controller machine which also made unable to use his beams (king ghidorah's) to beat king ghidorah. He needed to be awakend again by a nuclear blast above tokyo to beat the first super x. He needed fire rodan to revive him in order to beat super mechagodzilla. He needed moguera's help to beat spacegodzilla. Yes, the great heisei godzilla that you so clam is stronger then GFW Godzilla, yet heisei godzilla needed help beating weaker opponents (as toho has stated that kaizer ghidorah is the strongest monster godzilla has ever faced). Hmmmm:hmmm:

On the nuclear exsplosion part, well, I would expect mechagodzilla75 to be just as good at hth combat as mechagodzilla74, but that did not happen, know did it, so we can not count mechagodzilla75 at that. And I also have something to add to my last post about the nuclear exsplosion. G2000 godzilla went through a big exsplosion, but it was not near as big as the meteor one, nor did it destroy as many buildings.

Now lets take a look at GFW godzilla stats.
strength: He tosed king ceasar (weight: 50,000 tons) like it was nothing onto angiurs. Also, he knocked angiurs(weight:60,000 tons) around like a soccer ball with his tail. Also, he knocked GFW Gino (weight:unknown at the moment and I am calling him gino because of the rules) like it was nothing as well. Also, he tossed GFW kumonga (weight: 30,000) several miles away like it was nothing.(I do not agree that it was in the 1000's or 100's of miles, more like around 10 or more) Now Heisei godzilla did toss heisei mechagodzilla (150,000 tons) and that was impressive, it was not that far and he looked like he was having diffculty doing it. Also, he tossed an aggregate destoroyah (15,000 tons) only about as far as GFW godzilla tossing king ceasar, which aggregate destoroyah is not even half of king ceasar's weight. Finally, when he is kaizer powered up(athough he did not get a chance to before then), GFW Godzilla was tossing kaizer ghidorah (100,000 tons) like it was nothing.

I will get to more later when I am not so tired.

Zardac the Great

February 28th, 2006, 12:02 PM

I have not seen any Ghidorah who was any good an melee combat (every once in a while he bites someone, and in GFW, he actually stomped Godzilla once). Almost everything is beam. Godzilla wasn't able to get past the beams until he was "recharged" because Keiser Ghidorah knew better than to let him get close until Godzilla was totally worn out. Once Godzilla was close and awake, Ghidorah didn't stand a chance

giganlover217

March 14th, 2006, 09:52 PM

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No but you have to sell your part and he simply didn't do it. It was a horrible choice to cast him in that role, he's a wrestler, if you want him to do some phoney elbow drops fine, but he is a horrible actor. He couldn't even deliver any of his lines with impact, horrible job. People need to learn to let the wrestlers stay in the arena and not let them into movies, my god, just look at the long history of horrible movies and performances churned out by wrestlers. The only really good one was Jessie Ventura in Predator.
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"So you plan to release Godzilla,lead him to all the other monsters and have him fight them one by one?"
(Dramatic music ends, zoom up to Gordon's face, and he says this in the most wooden way imaginable) "Yes".

Keizer Godzilla (OPG)

March 17th, 2006, 07:24 PM

GFW Godzilla feats. I will start from the beginning by saying his foes are NOT weak. They took showa monsters and made then twice the size, twice as fast, and twice as durable. Anguirus was VERY strong actually. He took missles to combat kaiju with ease. Keep in mind all the technoligy is more advanced in this film and the kaiju can take it. Theres NO proof that GFW monsters are weak. Even Ebirah is at his prime. He could levle buildings fast and still take modern weapons except for their weapons that the super soidlers were carrying. From what I heard the weapons the super soidlers were carrying had the power of a maser (which even made GXMG scream in pain) with rapid fire so most kaiju can't take that. The best and strongest mellee kaiju ever are in this film without a doubt. They all can lift a massive amount of weight. They are fast and agile and can all take advanced weapons. These kaiju are twice as large as most.

GFW Godzilla beam feats - GFW Godzilla managed to push back Hedorah, Ebirah and a buildings (equalling over twice his weight) for about 2000 feet and at a great speed, pushing the entire time the beam was held on them. Since when HAS ANY Godzilla EVER shown that kind of force in a beam. He also made any kaiju he shot shatter apart or go flying back. he pushed the Mother Ship back which was larger than most mountains and must of weighed billions of tons. NAME ONE MONSTER THAT HAS THAT KIND OF BEAM POWER! He also can fire his beam with great accuracy and speed even in space. No Godzilla has ever shown so much force. Period! Once Godzilla recieves energy from a Keizer and the Gotengo (Keizer are stated as the most powerful beings) he recieved a HUGE power increase. He gain new powers. One was the hyper spiral beam which managed to push a kaiju twice his weight into space within about 2 seconds (HUGE SPEED) and result in a nuclear explosion in space (space has no oxygen so it is harder for flame and stuff to exist). Pause your DVD and go get a map once you have paused it to where it is at it's largest. Look at japan and all the countries and look at the explosion. It is larger thanas japan and is so powerful he almost couldn't launch his beam in space. This could very possibly be the msot powerful kaiju attack ever.

GFW Godzilla durability feats - He managed to travle across the world in one day and defeat about 11 kaiju (most with his bare hands). Any way you slice the pie Godzilla is not weak. He first battle Gigan. Gigan was an advanced weapon and was armored and built to take on other kaiju yet Godzillas beam took his head out in one blow. Then another battle that impressed me his when he threw Komunga (about 30,000 tons) so far we couldn't see him mabey more than a mile. He also battle three kaiju in a mellee fight (Rodan, Anguirus and Cesear) who all proved way strogner than their showa versions. Rodan was fast and had some of the strongest winds ever. Anguirus was more durable. Even showa Godzilal couldn't take missles meant to battle kaiju like mecha Godzillas but Anguirus could take advanced missles like that with ease as well as all of them. They were all great mellee fighters. They had great tactics and were agile. He took repeated hits from all of them. After battleing all these kaiju he took on Monster X who landed an made an explosion that made a crator about 2 miles and THERE WAS NOTHING inside the crator as people claim. We get a clear shot of him standing in the middle of a huge vaporized crator. We can see the mass of the crator when Monster X and GFW Godzilla stand and look at each toher and then charge. Nuclear bombs that size are about 50 million degrees. Godzilla survived it. And for all those science freaks on the roost let me say he defied physics by surviving it because nuclear bombs split apart atoms and turn them into nuclear energy. But lets not add all this science because it is a fake movie and adding science to it takes all the fun out and doesn't prove anythnig on a movie that revolves around fake physics. Anyway he then took a series beating from Monster X. Monster X beams managed to make small wounds when a nculear explosion didn't do ANYTHING to him besides piss him off. He survived the beating and then their beams later hit each others making yet another explosion that covered tokyo. Godzilla surivived yet again without any wounds. All this proves he has the best staminia to go around in one day and defeat 11 kaiju and survive nuclear blast and not break a sweat.

GFW Godzilla regeneration - We never see many wounds so theres not much to say here. We can expect his regeneration to be better than normal Godzillas though since toho confirmed it to be Godzillas most powerful incarnation.

GFW Godzilla strength - GFW Godzilla has the best strrength and mellee tactics ever seen. He moved with amrtial art like movements and threw kaiju around like ragg dolls. he threw Kumonga for about a mile which is strong any way you slcie the slice the pie. He Wacked Anguirus thousands of feet and just was amazing .I don't even to to explain his strength. Everyone knows it. He even threw Keizer Ghdirah over one thousand feet.

GFW Godzilla agility - No Godzilla has moved as fast or with martial artist like movements and was faster and more agile than ever. He could even dodge attacks.

If GFW Godzilla were to face a monster like Destoroyah he would make him go flying in both mellee and beam wars and made the overloaded Melt Down Godzilla look like a little girl kaiju. Although it is true that normal GFW Godzilla doesn't have the hottest beam it is impactful and GFW Godzilla has shown the best tactics ever. He deploys his beam only when it is needed or would be best to gain the advantage. He is the king at mellee fighting. The fact that he survived a nuclear explosion just makes his foes stronger than any other foes Godzilla has faced because if they can hurt him and a nuclear explosion can't you know these kaiju ARE JUST DEVASTATING. If you can hurt Godzilla when a nculear explosion doesn't your a really powerful kaiju. Any monster that can last a few seconds with GFW Godzilla is a strong monster. Also how can people expect most Godzillas to survive a nuclear warhead when mere missles HAVE been shown to have a SLIGHT effect on most Godzilla (scales getting blown off, roars of pain ...ect) and maser have hurt most Godzillas. If other Godzillas were near as pwoerful why don't they move as fast and use martial arts and make other kaiju go flying thousands of feet with their hands and beams. No Godzilla can even compare to the feats of GFW Godzilla. Most Godzillas are harmed by lava, and beams that can take about 3 seconds just to penitrate of destroy a building. Most of you who say GFW Godzilla is weak say that because you don't like the film or the monsters. There are many people on this very forum that would compare GxM Godzillas beam that failed to push back Megs and took about 3 seconds just to punch a whole in one buildings (Many Godzillas can destroy like 5 buildings in one blast) to GFW Godzilla. I say you need to watch the film.

Keizer Godzilla (OPG)

March 17th, 2006, 08:45 PM

As far as the film itself goes, I thought it was good or enjoyed it at least. People fail to realise that this Godzilla movie is just all about entertainment and massive kaiju battles and fun. The movie was an enjoyable science fiction film and it was fun. I can watch the battles over and over again. The martail arts was all great. From a criticle standpoint though many people are right to say that it's not that good. But I like to watch all the cool special effects and action. Everything about this movie entertained me except for minya. Why did Minya HAVE to be in this film?

Anyway heres my review out of ten.
My opinion.

Special Effects - 10

Story - 7 (just for a fun kaiju and action story line though)

Music - 9 (I liked it)

Kaiju Battles - 10

Action - 10

criticle standpoint overall review - 5/10

Story - 3/10

So think whatever you want. I was entertained by it though.

Cyndi

July 22nd, 2006, 05:29 PM

I had a blast watching this for the first time yesterday. I laughed my *** off when Godzilla tailsmacked 'Zilla and I laughed even harder when he did that goalie leap.

This was an awesome movie to look at. Screw the plot, I just had fun watching everybody FIGHT. XD

Cole Deschain

July 23rd, 2006, 12:36 AM

Your names are now all in my Registry. Oh yes. ;)

Cyndi

July 23rd, 2006, 02:10 AM

Why did Minya HAVE to be in this film?

Watch the ending again. He's the only thing that stops Godzilla from blasting those people.

I loved that part of the movie. It was like man and monster standing as equals, all thanks to the innocence of children.

Cole Deschain

July 23rd, 2006, 02:31 AM

Watch the ending again. He's the only thing that stops Godzilla from blasting those people.

I would really have preferred it if he had....

Burkion

July 23rd, 2006, 03:40 AM

I enjoyed it because I wasn't expecting much of anything going into it.

That and, as a Power Ranger fan, Monster X just struck a cord in me that said "**** YES!" Because he is awesome.

Truely awesome.

EternalMothra

July 23rd, 2006, 10:57 AM

I liked it, it was okay, but it surely wasn't perfect. I would have liked it if Mothra and Godzilla at least acknowledged each others existance, like they did in Showa times. I also think the musical score could have been done a lot better too.

Cyndi

July 24th, 2006, 03:37 AM

That and, as a Power Ranger fan, Monster X just struck a cord in me that said "**** YES!" Because he is awesome.

You too? :D W00t!

I rather enjoyed Godzilla's antics in this movie, too. That goalie leap was hilarious. I had to rewind the DVD and watch that part again three times to make sure I really saw it. Then I laughed for ten straight minutes.

If I had to complain about anything at all, it'd be that we saw too much human fighting. The human to monster battle ratio should have been reversed.

anguirus55

July 24th, 2006, 11:42 AM

I actually love watching this movie. Hell, even my friends who don't like Godzilla movies like watching this movie. The trick is to have a sense of humor about it. It has inspired about a dozen in-jokes and sits beside Big Trouble in Little China in terms of the perfect combination of action and cheesiness.

It's not as good as the MG films, but damn if it isn't more fun to watch. And I still don't get the compliants of "not enough kaiju action," considering that we get as many fights in this film as in the rest of the Millenium series put together, and all of them do something creative and new, even if they are brief.

Now, I would have liked it if large swathes of the motorcycle fight and the practice scene in the beginning were cut and the time used to expand some of the kaiju fights, and the Matrix ripoffs are bothersomely obvious, but hey, that's the price you pay for using Kitamura. Same as Gettysburg was the price he South paid for Robert E. Lee. :D

Cole Deschain

July 24th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Now, I would have liked it if large swathes of the motorcycle fight and the practice scene in the beginning were cut and the time used to expand some of the kaiju fights, and the Matrix ripoffs are bothersomely obvious, but hey, that's the price you pay for using Kitamura. Same as Gettysburg was the price he South paid for Robert E. Lee. :D

Since Gettysburg cost them the slim chance they had in that war, I'll agree with the comparison.

Zardac the Great

July 24th, 2006, 04:53 PM

I agree with Anguirus. This movie is FUN!

My brother, who doesn't particularly care for Godzilla, was so intruiged by this one that he came over to watch it.

My only real problem is too much human action, but that's already been covered.

Spüne

July 25th, 2006, 07:27 AM

I LOVE that movie. Just look at my signature.

That's exactly the same list as mine. Spooky!

Yeah, loved the movie. Exactly what I was expecting, just plain stupid fun. I don't really want to see another movie like this, but that would help keep it unique. And, how could anyone say that this movie was bad with GIGAN!! :D

Ultimate goji

August 9th, 2006, 12:20 PM

I like the film! especially when Godzilla kicks the *** of all those monsters:laugh: and also when the alien leader calls for gigan! I thought it was funny

Orga777

August 9th, 2006, 12:27 PM

I like the film! especially when Godzilla kicks the *** of all those monsters:laugh: and also when the alien leader calls for gigan! I thought it was funny

............................:nonono2: Sad day people, sad day. Beating down all those monsters was a very BAD idea. Made teh movie suck more than it already did. :nonono2:

anguirus55

August 9th, 2006, 12:34 PM

EternalMothra

August 9th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Do you, like, take it personally when monsters get scragged, or what? That's probably not healthy.

The questionable artistic merit of the film aside, to show Godzilla's strength it was well-structured. They show the monsters kicking the crap out of everything, then they show Godzilla kicking the crap out of the monsters. Simple and effective.

It would have been nice to see a little more fighting on Goji's opponents part. Like if they at least put up a fight. Hell, GKG put up a better fight against AM than some of the kaiju in GFW did.

anguirus55

August 9th, 2006, 02:07 PM

There I can agree with you, because they spent way too much time on humans fighting instead. I think the Anguirus-Rodan-Caesar fight could have been much longer and cooler.

That said, it was still totally hardcore, and Rodan and Ang had a good bit double-teaming Godzilla. It compares favorably with the monster scenes and fights in DAM, which is the closest analogue in the genre.

As for some of the others...who EXPECTED "Zilla" and Kamacuras to put up decent fights? At least they had really awesome deaths.

EternalMothra

August 9th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Hybrid Gojira

August 9th, 2006, 06:12 PM

Meh, this movie sucked. Are there memorable moments? Yes, but that can also be said for GvsMegalon.

Orga777

August 9th, 2006, 08:05 PM

Meh, this movie sucked. Are there memorable moments? Yes, but that can also be said for GvsMegalon.

Ooo. I like you!:laugh: That is how I feel as well.:thumbs:

Zilla

August 9th, 2006, 08:38 PM

I would have liked to see the Zilla/Godzilla battle last a bit longer. It would have been awesome. Unlike most people, I'm not a die hard Zilla-hater. So I wouldn't have minded if he was in the movie more.

Agreed. I love Zilla. Its not his fault he was placed in a crappy movie. By the way, saw a 2nd Doritos commercial with him, different scenes...ends with him jumping into the river.

anguirus55

August 9th, 2006, 09:16 PM

Memorable moments:

GvsMegalon: Megalon destroys the dam.

GFW: Basically every time Godzilla kicks something's ***, as well as the triumphant return of many kaiju that haven't been seen onscreen for 30-plus years.

Yes, it was a disappointing 50th anniversary film, yes, it had too much human fighting, yes, the occasional poor SFX shot was seen, but it's been a year and a half...can we seriously curb the whining already?

It's telling that in my experience, only diehard kaiju fans bear this movie any hatred. Its one of the few my friends will tolerate, and we laugh our heads off every time we watch it. Sure, the film didn't make a nickel, but comparing it to the cinematic abortion that is GvsMegalon is pushing it.

And as for Zilla...look, I'll even say that its design is decent (even if it succeeds at being "Godzilla" about as well as Baragon does) but its appearence in GFW was nothing short of comic gold as it is. It's symbolic. Extending the scene would have ruined the whole point, and turned a funny moment into two minutes of Godzilla fighting his skinny, ugly counterpart. Having any more Zilla in the movie would have been a mistake, and would have detracted from the screen time of classic kaiju.

EternalMothra

August 9th, 2006, 11:22 PM

I think people tend to exaggurate when it comes to the negative side of GFW. Sure it could have been better, but we should be happy we got another movie.

Orga777

August 10th, 2006, 11:45 AM

I think people tend to exaggurate when it comes to the negative side of GFW. Sure it could have been better, but we should be happy we got another movie.

If it wasn't the 50th, I would not have been so disappointed. This was supposed to be a milestone in the kaiju fandom. What we got was another mediocre flick that did not live up to expectations.

EternalMothra

August 10th, 2006, 11:57 AM

If it wasn't the 50th, I would not have been so disappointed. This was supposed to be a milestone in the kaiju fandom. What we got was another mediocre flick that did not live up to expectations.

Well, at least the film was entertaining, which even you must admit. I wasn't impressed w/ it at all either, but I at least acknowledged and said, "well hey, they must have worked hard at this, so I am satisfied.....even though the soundtrack is bad...."

Orga777

August 10th, 2006, 12:10 PM

Well, at least the film was entertaining, which even you must admit. I wasn't impressed w/ it at all either, but I at least acknowledged and said, "well hey, they must have worked hard at this, so I am satisfied.....even though the soundtrack is bad...."

It had its moments. But the work put into this film did not impress me that much. Is it bad to say that I can say this is only better than Godzilla X Megaguirus in the entire Millenium Series? Because out of all the movies in the last few years I would have perferred GMK as a 50th over GFW.

Figment

August 10th, 2006, 01:44 PM

Orga777

August 10th, 2006, 01:55 PM

Yes, because having Ghidorah being a good guy and a near unstoppable Godzilla get killed by humans with a one man sub and a drill missle would have be the perfect way to celebrate the Big G's 50th... Not completely knocking GMK, it's still one of my favorites, but it has its faults which make it not the best for Big G's 50th. Final Wars sorta worked in the aspect of having a near unstoppable Godzilla truly show he's the king of the monsters, but the focus on the human story was the thing that brought it down and the goofiness may not have been the best for the 50th event, but it's still a great party/popcorn film, which is probably why it's one of my favorites.

For every fault in GMK you can name, I can name at least 2 in GFW. Is it sad now that I can't even sit trough the entire movie anymore? Because it is hard for me to do it now. After Gigan V.2 gets fragged I get bored with the movie and turn it off. And that is after skipping that stupid motorcycle fight scene, and the ID4 ripoff scene. One thing GMK had was well executed fight scenes, and not just one like in GFW. Even the Baragon fight scene was very entertaining. Ghidorah and Mothra was just icing on the cake. I also didn't have to worry about lame Matrix ripoffs or any other Hollywood movie ripoff scene in GMK. Sure I don't like Ghidorah being a good guy just like everyone else, but it was better than seeing 3 second 'fights' or lack there of. GFW is a failed attempt of a 50th with so much potential. All of that potential was wasted and left a lot of people very unfulfilled.

anguirus55

August 11th, 2006, 12:59 AM

Because out of all the movies in the last few years I would have perferred GMK as a 50th over GFW.

Yeah, I agree with that. GMK is far from perfect, but it's a better film and thematically it's a far better fit.

But we can just pretend it is. After all, it takes place 50 years after Godzilla's first attack, and has a hell of a lot more references to that event than GFW does!

Not to say that GFW entirely fails at being the fiftieth anniversary film. For all its faults, it was a celebration of ALL the sci-fi films that the original Godzilla inspired, as well as creating a version of Godzilla that is easily as iconic, dominant, and timeless as any other you care to name. Leaving his background fuzzy in the film was a wise decision, because the audience can then associate all the past adventures of Godzilla (see the title sequence) with this version, even though they didn't literally happen in the timeline (since Godzilla was frozen for most of his lifespan). He has a real mystique here, IMO.

Hybrid Gojira

August 11th, 2006, 02:43 AM

Yes, it was a disappointing 50th anniversary film, yes, it had too much human fighting, yes, the occasional poor SFX shot was seen, but it's been a year and a half...can we seriously curb the whining already?

It's not whining. It's on-topic discussion about a craptastic movie. =)

Sure, the film didn't make a nickel, but comparing it to the cinematic abortion that is GvsMegalon is pushing it.

lol I like the phrase..clever. It wasn't meant to be a direct comparison as much as it was a jab about how much I dislike the movie... so enough said about that.

Seriously though, GFW was just a bad, bad excuse for a film that celebrates Godzilla. That is not to say efforts were not made to make a good film, but God this movie annoyed the crap outta me. From the inane plot/writing to the 15 second monster fights, the movie is crap. Does it entertain? Obviously enough for some. The human element was very unique, but the story never focused on Godzilla in the way it should have. Godzilla was thrown in a bad sci-fi movie with Jet Li elements and given the title card. Whoopie! Hedorah was an absolute waste, and Ebirah would have been save for getting his shell handed to him by the mutants (one of the best human/kaiju scenes recorded to date, but not nearly enough to save the movie). Kumonga had a cool attack on Goji, only to be thrown into oblivion. Pfft, King Ceasar...meh. He looked about as good as the Showa version, which isn't saying much, and then he made his karate classes pay off by playing soccer with Ang.

Anyway, I assume you get the point. GFW is worth seeing, but not the film it should or could have been.

anguirus55

August 11th, 2006, 07:22 AM

GFW is worth seeing, but not the film it should or could have been.

Which, strangely, is what almost everyone can agree on. :D

Studio Asperger

August 11th, 2006, 08:45 AM

GFW is worth seeing, but not the film it should or could have been.

I can't even see how it's worth seeing, except as an exercise in how not to make a movie.;)

Seriously, I just think this film is shockingly bad, and not even in a 'so bad it's good' way. It's a monster film that takes the focus off the monsters, and tosses in pound upon pound of the worst Hollywood rip-offs. In fact, it's ripping off the worst of the rip-offs. Bad monster fights, worse human elements, and to top it all off the plot was tripe. Utter, utter tripe. Bad fanfiction tripe.

Just like with GINO, it's an important milestone for the franchise butchered by talentless hacks, and nothing anyone says or does can convince me to watch this dungheap again.:hmmm:

Steve

August 11th, 2006, 10:13 PM

I thought Final Wars was a lot of fun. I think it served as a great homage to the history of Godzilla. Everybody *I* know had fun watching it. The human bits were boring, but since when are they NOT? I just ignore 'em and fastforeword to the monster fights. As for the monster fights... I just view 'em as one big, long montauge of battles. In that way practically the whole second half of the film is pure ***-kicking.

Certainly people who take Godzilla movies OMG SRSLY will hate it, but I don't. The movie itself certainly doesn't. ;p Final Wars is one of my favourites, right up there with G2K, Vs. Megaguirus and Vs. Destroyah.

EternalMothra

August 12th, 2006, 12:00 AM

Shin lvl2 Goji

August 26th, 2006, 07:18 PM

Same with me. I'm pretty sick of all the trashing of this movie by the way. Most of the people who didn't like it are the ones that think that all movies must be in the "Heisei format" from now on and won't accept anything else. Then they're not satisfied with those movies either and wonder why. Doing things the "Heisei way" has been going on for the past 20 years. Even Godzilla as a good guy lasted only half that long. With most of the movies being failures recently and NONE of them living up to their potential, it's been long overdue to have something new and Final Wars finally gave us that.

I love this movie. Finally another Godzilla that matches and surpasses Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla as an enjoyable experience. Finally a movie where I don't have to fast forward to get to the monster scenes. Finally some scenes I've been waiting to see for a long time. It's about time Toho satisfied their fans and this movie gave us what a lot of us have been wishing for for a long time, but were held back from for years. People go "oh, you have to turn your brain off before you watch this movie", while nothing like that is said for Showa movies with magnetic meteors, monsters that have a conversation (and curse while they're at it- "Oh Godzilla, what terrible language!"), and a lady from Mars running around... There's so much bias towards this movie, it's not even funny.

For the people who wanted just a remake of the original for the 50th anniversary- well first of all, talk about being repetitive. Second, it just can't be done. The relevance of the events that went on during the original are what give meaning to the film. We don't have a nuclear crisis right now and if we did, things are so politically correct that you just couldn't do it. (Aside from the obvious reason, of us all be blown to bits if something like that really happened) "People wouldn't be able to handle it". :dozing: They cut Megaguirus from being shown on Sci-Fi because of the flooding scenes for crying out loud! Plus consider the actors. Do you really think we could get actors that could portray the characters as well as the ones from the golden age of Toho? How about the oxygen destroyer? Back then you could get away with a lot of concepts easier. You just can't do the same stuff you could back then and by asking for a remake, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. No matter how good the content of a remake of Gojira might have, it can't match up to the original because of its history and what was going on at the time. It would be empty that way. It's easy to sit there and say it would be just as good, but without the real life events surrounding it, it doesn't have the relevance the first had. So I'm definitely glad they didn't go the uncreative route and give us something we already have that couldn't possibly be as good from the start.

Anyway, back to Final Wars itself. Godzilla kicked butt and did it with style. (And these were monsters that could fight better than their original counterparts, not like in GMK) For once he wasn't getting kicked in the groin by humans (like the poor monsters in most American monster movies have alwaysbeen) like the past few decades and he was strong. It had martial arts from the humans. It was fun to watch the whole way through. It was satisfying, fresh, and a lot of fun. The human characters were interesting. It was like a grand going away party that classic monsters, the Gotengo, and more were all invited to with some exciting new guests like the X-Seijin Commander and Captain Gordon. I could go on and on, but the main thing is that I loved this movie and it was worth having as the 50th. If you hate it and think "ITS A DISGRACE 2 GDZILA!!!111", then oh well. Won't spoil it for me.