Battlestar Galactica-Frustrated with it

[Monsturra-Jake]

Ok, in the Doctor Who thread, we started to venture into this show. This is, of course, based on the new "re-imagined " version, though we can talk about the old.

My frustration with the show is how many plotholes are there. Also, I am so sick of the Cylons being so pathetic. I want a relentless foe, not some pseudo-religious bullcrap pansies who think.

So, how would you guys fix this show, if you could?

Jake

[Cole Deschain]

I would burn all evidence of it, bury the ashes in the desert, and sow the ground with salt.

And then I would calmly return to my reading.

[SandwormPhish]

My frustration with the show is how many plotholes are there. Also, I am so sick of the Cylons being so pathetic. I want a relentless foe, not some pseudo-religious bullcrap pansies who think.

Since when are enemies that think a bad thing? And would you care to be more specific regarding these plot holes since there are so many of them?

[Monsturra-Jake]

There's nothing wrong with intelligent foes. The problem I have with the Cylons is that are being protrayed as religious zealots for their deity. The religious and sexual overtones do get tiresome after a while.

As for plotholes, there are plenty of times that you can tell that part of the story has been skipped or feels empty. True, some of the scenes do make it on other previews of the show, but let's face it, some of them leave out alot of elements. Another problem are some characters are stronger while others are weaker. Look at "Black Market" which focus mostly on Apollo's trials. That episode felt weak cause they were focusing on a underdeveloped character.

That's what Morgoth was explaining about in the Dr. Who thread in that this show seems to focus on the drama. I'm not big on the giant space battles epics like most people, but even I can write more interesting characters then some of these stick of the muds.

[Morgoth]

Plot holes? How about the whole 'Starbuck flies a cylon raider' bit? Now there's one hell of a plot hole/logic failure for you right there. Why the **** would a pilotless machine be able to support a human pilot? I mean, just the idea she could even fit in there was retarded, much less fly the thing!

[Goji Son]

This is the GREATEST FRACKING SHOW EVER!

I mean, just... FRACK!

:sarcasm:

[kritaya]

This is the GREATEST FRACKING SHOW EVER!

I mean, just... FRACK!

:sarcasm:

Frack you and frack the fracking horse you fracking rode in on, you frack!

Oh, I guess this is the point where I'm supposed to defend the show. Hmm, hmm, let's see. Okay, here we go.

I like it, some don't, whatever, kthxby.:p

[Goji Son]

Frack you and frack the fracking horse you fracking rode in on, you frack!

Oh, I guess this is the point where I'm supposed to defend the show. Hmm, hmm, let's see. Okay, here we go.

I like it, some don't, whatever, kthxby.:p

That was the stupidest fracking rebuttle I have ever fracking seen! Go frack yourself and just fracking die!

[Darth Reaper]

One thing that bothers me about the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA is that very little seems to happen on each episode. More often than not, they just seem to wander around aimlessly.

Second, there just isn't enough fun on the show. I understand that they're probably trying to focus more on drama than action, but the show just seems rather dull sometimes. STARGATE SG-1 has character developement and drama, but it's also fun to watch.

[Monsturra-Jake]

I agree with you Darth, it does seem they wander around endlessly. It gets to the point you want to scream at the characters "do something already."

There is humor in the show, mostly around Baltar and the imaginary/spiritual blonde Cylon, but most of the characters need to lighten up a little. The show is trying to be too dark. Also, I say they need more action scenes and less of the drama most of the time.

[kritaya]

That was the stupidest fracking rebuttle I have ever fracking seen! Go frack yourself and just fracking die!

It wasn't a fracking rebuttle, frack! Just a fracking fact, fracktard! I'm not fracking interested in fracking changing any frack's fracking mind. It's all a fracking matter of fracking personal taste, fracking fracketty frack-frack!

Actually, I think the reason all of you don't like it is because you secretly envied the original Starbuck's womanizing ways and you hate the strong female characters in the new one. Maybe instead of "Battletard," it should be nicknamed "Burdizzostar Galactica," hmm?:laugh:

[Monsturra-Jake]

Actually, the fact that there are strong women doesn't bug me. The problem is that they aren't written that well.

[Goji Son]

It wasn't a fracking rebuttle, frack! Just a fracking fact, fracktard! I'm not fracking interested in fracking changing any frack's fracking mind. It's all a fracking matter of fracking personal taste, fracking fracketty frack-frack!

Actually, I think the reason all of you don't like it is because you secretly envied the original Starbuck's womanizing ways and you hate the strong female characters in the new one. Maybe instead of "Battletard," it should be nicknamed "Burdizzostar Galactica," hmm?:laugh:

That's fracking it! YOU'RE FRACKING OUT OF HERE! GET YOU FRACKING STUFF AND FRACKING GO YOU STUPID FRACKING FRACKER!! GO FRACK A GOAT you... GOAT FRACKER!

And I could give a crap about some coffee brand's womanizing ways, I never watched either show so FRACK OFF YOU MUTHA FRACKA!

[SandwormPhish]

There's nothing wrong with intelligent foes. The problem I have with the Cylons is that are being protrayed as religious zealots for their deity. The religious and sexual overtones do get tiresome after a while.

Uhm.. religous zealots as enemies are perfectl fine as far as I'm concerned. Some of the better villains have been such.

As for plotholes, there are plenty of times that you can tell that part of the story has been skipped or feels empty.

Can we be specific?

Another problem are some characters are stronger while others are weaker. Look at "Black Market" which focus mostly on Apollo's trials. That episode felt weak cause they were focusing on a underdeveloped character.

Except that giving them screentime is one way to help fix the problem of an underdeveloped character.

Plot holes? How about the whole 'Starbuck flies a cylon raider' bit? Now there's one hell of a plot hole/logic failure for you right there. Why the **** would a pilotless machine be able to support a human pilot? I mean, just the idea she could even fit in there was retarded, much less fly the thing!

It isn't pilotless though. It has that weird organic core to it. The reason she was able to fly it was that the round that killed it essentially lobotomized the thing, however it left all the stringy, musclely bits that trigger mechanisms intact.

[Bagoth]

I don't know about you guys but I like the new Battlestar, its gritty and dark and doesn't rely on supertechnology to get them out of problems. I also like that they don't have Cyclons attacking them in every episode, there is a diversity and storys arcs that go through entire seasons. Plus in some episodes we see insight into the Cyclon world which is just fantastic, anybody see the straight Cyclone episode?

[Morgoth]

feldergarb, pure and simple. Give me John Colicos and his scenery-chewing any day over this pap.

And I don't have a problem with strong female characters, when they are done well. In fact, quite a few of my Warhammer novels have had pretty resilient female characters. Probably the best action scene in my latest one is with a female protagonist in fact. But I also don't have her aimlessly wandering around for 20 minutes an episode either.

Cylons? I was unaware there were any real cylons on 'As the Hyperdrive Turns'. Real cylons don't run around spouting crap about God and trying to ooze their way into people's beds. Real cylons say things like 'By your command', 'extermination' and 'the final annihilation of the life-form man.' As well as the occasional 'sir, I think you should pay attention to the other Battlestar'.

[RadoGoji]

Maybe instead of "Battletard," it should be nicknamed "Burdizzostar Galactica," hmm?:laugh:

I use "Battlestar Galacticrap", myself.


...frack...

[Project Pimp]

1.) Battlestar Galactica is easily the best show on television.
2.) "Frack" was used in the original series as well.

I agree that Apollo is strangely underdeveloped considering he's supposedly the main character, but the one episode starting off with him and the prostitute was an amazingly bold move. But hey, if you'd rather watch retarded BS like Andromeda then be my guest.

[kritaya]

But hey, if you'd rather watch retarded BS like Andromeda then be my guest.

See? Everything's relative.:)

[Monsturra-Jake]

Actually, Andromeda was a fun show. Yeah, it was stupid in parts, but it was still more entertaining then most of the episode of Battlebored.

[Project Pimp]

Battlebored? If this is about your attention span, you can always change the channel to Nickelodeon. :darklord:

[Monsturra-Jake]

Actually, I can watch a show for a hour. I can watch Doctor Who for a example. I just making a point that the stories on Battlestar Galactica can be very boring at times.

[Bagoth]

Which storylines because there are alot, there was the one about one Model Six who was raped and beaten on Pegasus, the entire Pegasus arc, and the Religion arc. And those are the ones I can list off the top of my head.

[SandwormPhish]

Actually, Andromeda was a fun show. Yeah, it was stupid in parts, but it was still more entertaining then most of the episode of Battlebored.

Andromeda was fun for about the first two seasons and then they fired their writer, cut back actual story-arcs for episodic ventures, and basically turned it into Hercules in Space.

[Monsturra-Jake]

heh...yeah, the last season of Andromeda wasn't very good.

[Monsturra-Jake]

Ok, another complaint:

The constant use of the word: Frak. Good lord, if they wanted to do a censored version of the f-word, just leave it out or bleep it. A few times of hearing the word is ok, but MY GOD, they go on and on with it.

Also, I hate the fact that the Cylons are merely making the humans their pawns. I mean, my goodness, show us that we are not merely idiots being played around by our "children". Also, I wish they let the Centurions speak once and a while. I rather hear a computerized "by your command" over that one chick's psycho-babble.

to be positive though, at least they got the casting right with Olmos being Adama.

[SandwormPhish]

Ok, another complaint:

The constant use of the word: Frak. Good lord, if they wanted to do a censored version of the f-word, just leave it out or bleep it. A few times of hearing the word is ok, but MY GOD, they go on and on with it.

I don't see the problem. It's a sort of general purpose curse-word. Similar things were done on Farscape and Red Dwarf, one short little word that works for all occasions.

Also, I hate the fact that the Cylons are merely making the humans their pawns. I mean, my goodness, show us that we are not merely idiots being played around by our "children".

It's pretty clear that if the Cylons did have a master plan it's been thoroughly shot full of holes at least as far back as Ressurection Ship.

[Bagoth]

It's also important to point out that people say alot of curse words, especially when you do something wrong or a overwelming force is coming at you.

[Da_Jinx]

I agree that I would love to hear the centurians speak in their mechanical voice, "By your command" is just classic. They had a cool villain that had potential in "Scar", the red baron-like centurian space fighter. In that episode it was like Scar was really feared and it took out a lot of the BG's pilots.

Also, is it just me or is this "Apollo" the biggest jerk. He's just not very likable and he comes off like a jerk a lot. I also agree, that the casting for edward james olmos as adama was great and he is the crucial element of the show's success for me.

[Bagoth]

I agree I really don't like Apollo either.

[Monsturra-Jake]

I think the problem with Apollo is that you know that they are writing the character to be very unlikeable. I wouldn't mind if he was less strict and more likeable myself.

[Monsturra-Jake]

Would it be wrong for me to call RDM a nutcase? The problem is that he wants to make all these characters like the Cylons and the humans sympathic and/or arrogant. This leaves to alot of characters, both major and minor, appearing to be wimps and/or lazy.

Maybe it's just because I saw some GOOD Sci-fi like Doctor Who which do have good stories but still comprise some cool action scenes and nice characters.

[Morgoth]

Monsturra-Jake pretty much sums it up right there.

[Monsturra-Jake]

Hey Clint,

Did you hear about how they are making a prequel to this version of "Battlestar" called Capica? I know it's on Kenforce or Monster Island News.

Another fault of the show is that too many of the characters are a little oversexed to the point of being cartoons.

Edit: I also thought I should share that the Capica series is suppose to be taking place fifty years before the events of the current show, and it is going to be more of a soap.

Oh, Yippee! Should I just smash my head into the computer screen now or later.

[Monsturra-Jake]

I like how people say this is a good show. It's not that great, believe me.

Have you all notice that ever since this show has started that alot of science fiction fans have gone off on Star Trek as technobabble trash?

I find that funny, since you did get wonderful characters off the Star Trek series. At least, the characters didn't wonder around aimlessly like those on "As the Hyperdrive turns".

[Monsturra-Jake]

I forgot to mentioned this but,

Could they try to put some imagination into this frakking show? When you have "Starbuck" driving a ****ing Hummer around, and a garage full of modern day cars, you have to ask yourself, "Why?"

Oh, don't give me that bullshit about how he (RDM) wants to make us relate to these people. I know people who lead more entertaining lives then this slouch.

I can't even watch it anymore. I hate this show!

[kritaya]

Wow. The first 486 times you said that it didn't register, but now I get that you don't like the show.:sarcasm:

[Monsturra-Jake]

Well, I guess I should mention that I used to like the show, but really, it's for all those teenagers and young adults that like overdramatic, oversexed, and overly dark soap operas. Believe me, I visit the Sci-Fi boards, and I see so many shipper and appreciation threads (or how I like to call them, drool threads) that it gets rather idiotic

Mostly, I feel bad cause I did like it, but I don't know. I know Sci-Fi reruns it, and I don't want to rewatch the re-runs. Besides, the last episode of Season 2.5 was a big let down. Hell, the whole second part of Season 2 was a let-down.

I wish they named it something else. I know there are alot of old-school Galactica fans on here that don't like this show (understatement of the year). The original series was flawed as well, but, at least, it was fun.

I just get tired of people saying how this show is so perfect. It's not perfect, believe me.

[SandwormPhish]

I like how people say this is a good show. It's not that great, believe me.

Presenting your opinion as fact is generally bad form you know.

Have you all notice that ever since this show has started that alot of science fiction fans have gone off on Star Trek as technobabble trash?

And a lot of that is because that was a real problem on Star Trek. Instead of actually solving a problem through being clever the characters would spew out a load of technical sounding gibberish and bang problem solved. And then more often than not this super fix-it would be forgotten the next time a similar problem cropped up or anyplace it could be used again. It wasn't just the technobabble that turned off many of the Trek fans, but rather a combination of Technobabble Deus Ex Machina endings, the ever popular Reset Button (which cropped up on Voyager a lot with the ship getting beat up pretty bad in one episode and then looking brand new in the next), Inconsistent Characters (Read- Janeway who would one episode be preaching the prime directive then the next be flipping it the bird and laughing), etc.

Of course if you want to sum up most of Star Trek's problems later in life you can lay most of it at the feet of Berman and Braga who drove the franchise into the dirt.

Contrast this on Battlestar Galactica where they actually manage to go on without the technobabble bar the occasional mis-step like Apollo's EMP trick in the miniseries).

I find that funny, since you did get wonderful characters off the Star Trek series. At least, the characters didn't wonder around aimlessly like those on "As the Hyperdrive turns".

Star Trek had its fair share of soapy plots, and then covered it over with a mile thick lair of technobabble, hideous science, and a level of continuity that was quite frankly a joke. At least the more modern Trek did anyway.


Could they try to put some imagination into this frakking show? When you have "Starbuck" driving a ****ing Hummer around, and a garage full of modern day cars, you have to ask yourself, "Why?"

You see TV shows and movies have this thing called a budget.

Besides you make it sound like this is the first time real world objects have performed stand-in duty in Sci-fi without much if any alteration. Other notable examples would include the Sterling SMGs used by Stormtroopers in the Original Star Wars trilogy, John Connor's troops packing Steyr Augs and a host of other modern weapons with added in plasma special effects in T2, the marine rifles in nBSG, several guns in Firefly (including the ever popular G-36 which seems to have replaced the AUG as the standard in futuristic looking guns).


Well, I guess I should mention that I used to like the show, but really, it's for all those teenagers and young adults that like overdramatic, oversexed, and overly dark soap operas. Believe me, I visit the Sci-Fi boards, and I see so many shipper and appreciation threads (or how I like to call them, drool threads) that it gets rather idiotic

I'm left wondering what the last episode you actually watched was because about the only place with an overabundance of sex was the miniseries, after that it dropped off fairly sharply and has stayed low.


I just get tired of people saying how this show is so perfect. It's not perfect, believe me.

No show is perfect and as much as I like nBSG anyone who says it's perfect is just a raving fanboy.

[kritaya]

Believe me, I visit the Sci-Fi boards, and I see so many shipper and appreciation threads (or how I like to call them, drool threads) that it gets rather idiotic

"Shipping" is a part of just about every fandom, save for Godzilla because, well, there's no one to ship (well, no, I guess there is, but they would be run out of the fandom if they tried:laugh: ). Back in the day, there were probably even shippers for oBSG, writing fanfics for mimeographed fanzines. Not all fans are drawn by the tech. They dwell on the relationships, and especially in an episodic show like nBSG, where the ongoing character drama is so important.

I just get tired of people saying how this show is so perfect. It's not perfect, believe me.

Oh, hell no, it's not perfect. There were several episodes and scenes within good episodes where I thought they totally dropped the ball. Overall, though, I still like it.

[Project Pimp]

Could they try to put some imagination into this frakking show? When you have "Starbuck" driving a ****ing Hummer around, and a garage full of modern day cars, you have to ask yourself, "Why?"

It's not science-fiction, it's a fantasy war drama. Get over it.

Do the Hummers make you upset because you can't go five minutes without seeing video game CGI flying across your screen?

I can't even watch it anymore. I hate this show!

Then please don't. What do you get out of whining over it? I think SURFACE blows. Do you see me still posting in the threads about it? No, I don't even check them.

[Monsturra-Jake]

It's not science-fiction, it's a fantasy war drama. Get over it.

Do the Hummers make you upset because you can't go five minutes without seeing video game CGI flying across your screen?



Then please don't. What do you get out of whining over it? I think SURFACE blows. Do you see me still posting in the threads about it? No, I don't even check them.

Well, I do agree with you about SURFACE. Who would've known a giant monster TV series would be so boring.

As for me posting about Galactica, I just want to speak my mind. I have one and like to speak about stuff.

As for me wanting a CGI image flying across the screen, I meant mostly that they could've used a little bit more imagination. I mean, this show is about a society that has developed Faster-Than-Light transportation. I mean, heck, a wheeled vehicle would be perfectly ok, but why a hummer?

[Bagoth]

I would like address the unoriginal aspect of it oh let's see we have human looking and feeling robots who can give birth to babies who can cure cancer. These cyborgs cannot be killed really because their consequence goes all the way back to a special ship that puts their mind into another body. You have people seeing people who are not there, which is not caused by madness or by a chip. Have you ever seen the new baseship or how bout Battlestar Pegasus where they capture a human cyclon. Put into a cell then viciously beat and rape her for however long they had her. Am I getting through here.

[Monsturra-Jake]

I would like address the unoriginal aspect of it oh let's see we have human looking and feeling robots who can give birth to babies who can cure cancer. These cyborgs cannot be killed really because their consequence goes all the way back to a special ship that puts their mind into another body. You have people seeing people who are not there, which is not caused by madness or by a chip. Have you ever seen the new baseship or how bout Battlestar Pegasus where they capture a human cyclon. Put into a cell then viciously beat and rape her for however long they had her. Am I getting through here.

Um, for what are you replying for, Bagoth?

Another problem with Season 2, they should've let Admiral Caine live for the season or more. Really, we got three episodes of a poorly developed character, who is shown to be the darkness of humanity. Yes, it's a space/war opera, but I would have made her character grow, and make sense of why her character was so desperate and brutal, as oppose to the idea we got on the show.

[SandwormPhish]

Um, for what are you replying for, Bagoth?

Another problem with Season 2, they should've let Admiral Caine live for the season or more. Really, we got three episodes of a poorly developed character, who is shown to be the darkness of humanity.

You mean as opposed to oBSG where we got a grand total of one Admiral Caine episode before they killed him off?


Yes, it's a space/war opera, but I would have made her character grow, and make sense of why her character was so desperate and brutal, as oppose to the idea we got on the show.

Uh, were you not paying attention or something? They did show how she got that way. She was betrayed by someone she thought was one of her shipmates, her entire race as far as she knew had been exterminated, and she wanted to take the fight back to the enemy. Essentially she was what Adama might have become without Roslyn there to moderate his actions. Think back to the mini-series. Did Adama want to nursemaid a bunch of civilian ships along? No, he wanted to get Galactica into the fight.. until the President gave him an order otherwise. Caine never had that order so instead of her goal being to protect the rest of humanity it became the need to strike at the Cylons and do as much damage as possible.

[Bagoth]

Um, for what are you replying for, Bagoth?

Another problem with Season 2, they should've let Admiral Caine live for the season or more. Really, we got three episodes of a poorly developed character, who is shown to be the darkness of humanity. Yes, it's a space/war opera, but I would have made her character grow, and make sense of why her character was so desperate and brutal, as oppose to the idea we got on the show.

You said somewhere how the new BSG wasn't original, I can really find it right now or really know how to do that cool quote thing so eh.

[Monsturra-Jake]

You said somewhere how the new BSG wasn't original, I can really find it right now or really know how to do that cool quote thing so eh.

You click the icon that reads "Quote".

So, are you supporting the show or are you putting it down?

[Bagoth]

I know that, I just couldn't find the post in question and yes I'm supporting the show.

[Cyndi]

"Shipping" is a part of just about every fandom, save for Godzilla because, well, there's no one to ship (well, no, I guess there is, but they would be run out of the fandom if they tried )

*slinks away with Godzilla and Shezilla* :p

I was disappointed when that President chick(I barely remember names for this show) didn't die. That seemed like such a cop out. I got bored with it after that.

[kritaya]

*slinks away with Godzilla and Shezilla* :p

There's an exception to every rule. Especially when it's done so well.

I was disappointed when that President chick(I barely remember names for this show) didn't die. That seemed like such a cop out. I got bored with it after that.

Well, after last night's third season opener, I was thinking you might get your wish yet. 'Course then they had to blow it by showing scenes from next week's episode showing Roslin survives. I'm like, way to deflate the suspense, stupid network TV guy in charge of previews.:laugh:

[Cyndi]

^Aww.

Yeah I hate it when the previews blow it, though sometimes with spoilers I don't mind because then I can wonder how they got out of it.

[Monsturra-Jake]

I had thought a better series opening. We see the Cylon occupation of new Caprica, then we hear the strong thrust of wings. Then three heads of massive golden beast appear and lets loose a fury of lighting-like rays from it's triple mouths. Then, have it land and it can just stomp and blow stuff up.

Maybe also add a cyclop-like alien which looks a space chicken with a buzzsaw, Guilaia, or Negadon, and then you have a show.

That way, the name be change from Battlestar Galactica to King Ghidorah, Gigan, and Guilaia: Space Monster Offensive Force.

Sorry, I am letting my hatred and imagination get in the way again.

[kritaya]

Uhhhh...k... :eh:

[Monsturra-Jake]

heh, sorry

It's my inner geek being released.

[Monsturra-Jake]

Well, I was rethinking about what I have said about the show. It's not the worst drama out there (here's looking at you, CSI (I'll explain), but it's not for me. I tried to watch the third season premiere but lost interest. I just think it's getting to the point of being overblown and boring. Plus, I hate the whole time-skip/reverse kind of story-telling or using the flashbacks to tell a story. Also, stop with two hour episodes playing in a row.

Let's just say, I don't like the show, but others can watch it.

Now, my problem with CSI is that is very thinly plotted, can be boring, no real character development (George Eads's character, Nick Strokes, got put in glass coffin under tons of dirt, and basically tortured. He doesn't seem to have any long-term effects from the torture/fire ant poison. Of course, I could be wrong, but I would have that he still suffers from nightmares or something). Also, enough with the cliche's characters (Sara).

Yes, I admit, BSG has better character development than most of the dramas out there.

[Project Pimp]

I caught up on this last night, and damn, what a hell of a season finale. Having the newly discovered Cylons hear and quote music that is distinctly from Earth was tripping me out, and then at the very end, showing a brief glimpse of Earth itself. I really think Season 4 is going to end it, and if not, they hinted at 5. But I'm glad they have creative control over the ending and not the Scifi channel. I really can't wait to see it and find out where they're going with this.

[Neo-Crucifer]

Well, this fourth season is going to be the last one. Also, apparently, the spinoff Caprica is "in the back-burner" and may never be produced at all.




Comments?

[Bagoth]

Still think they could atleast have two more seasons, but I trust in Ronald D. Moore.

[Morgoth]

'bout damn timed this crap went off the air.

[Gorjirus]

*cough* STARBUCKISN'TAGIRL! *cough*