Orochi vs. Irys

[Cole Deschain]

<font color='#0000FF'>They're scaled to roughly the same size.

Our arena is... hmmmm, someplace I don't like much...
Los Angeles. Los Angeles gets to be the monsters' playground.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>Goodbye Los Angelas! http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif



Anyways, I think Orochi wins. He just has all those heads that breath fire and could blast Iris to peices. Iris may be able to block the beams with his strong tentacles, but he'll eventually get hit and Iris is hurt very badly.

If Iris decides to get in close combat with Orochi that makes matters for him much worse.

[PyrasTerran]

Uh..

I recently saw the Orochi film, and I'm not impressed by Orochi's fighting prowess. All he ever seems to do is blast around.

With thin necks like those, I don't think Irys will have much trouble cutting through them. I don't think fire breath will be a problem, Irys' body is built for atmospheric travel, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>yea, i think that energy tentacles would kick some major butt in this fight. irys could just choke the orochi to death.

[PyrasTerran]

..energy tentacles? Irys doesn't have energy tentacles.

Irys can't choke Orochi to death, it's 8 heads.

Are you sure you got this fight right in your head??

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (shadow @ Mar. 29 2004,20:49)]yea, i think that energy tentacles would kick some major butt in this fight. irys could just choke the orochi to death.
Uhh, are you sure we're talking about the same two Kaiju here? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif

Irys takes it. &nbsp;Let's look at her actual powers, shall we? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif She's quite fast at atmospheric travel (though I must confess she isn't exactly the most able dogfighter, but that won't play into this fight), and those Sonic Cutters are possibly almost as effective as the Showa Gyaos'. &nbsp;Considering they actually cut through Gamera's tough shell, those many thin little necks will be hacked to pieces.

[Melkor]

Deity or no deity, I didn't find Orochi overly impressive. Irys, on the other hand, will be deified the moment she kills Orochi. Which is around the first five minutes of the match.



Peace,



Melkor



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[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>But still, Iris is fragile.

A few blasts from Orochi and Iris is down. IMHO

[Saruman]

^^

I dont get why people keep thinking Irys is fragile?

Your talking about a Kaiju that swatted away Gamera's plasma balls like nothing, and the tentacles were within the explosion and suffered no damage.

His body took no physical damage until Gamera shoved his hand into his abdominal sac and ripped out his guts and Ayana. Even then all it did was piss Irys off.

Then it took the Plasma Fist to kill Irys by burning his insides, and even then the exterior of his body wasnt damaged all that much.

I just dont get how people see Irys as weak.

And yes I would give this fight to Irys. Like everyone else, I didnt find Orochi all that impressive. He was slow, not all that smart of a fighter and his attacks seemed rather weak. He was much more powerful in his Human/God form than in his Orochi form.

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[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>sorry had wrong kaiju in my mind. but still irys could use it's tentacles (non energy, was thinking about when it flew) to defeat orochi.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (shadow @ Mar. 30 2004,13:35)]sorry had wrong kaiju in my mind. but still irys could use it's tentacles (non energy, was thinking about when it flew) to defeat orochi.
True, very true. *They seem to be her primary means of attack besides her arms.

And I don't at all agree that Irys is fragile either, Saruman. *That is a factor that is constantly brought up against her in matches, and it has no real basis. *In fact, quite the opposite. *Irys' body, despite being blown up from the inside, was still all but intact afterwards, and those tentacles have gotta have some monstrous physical strength behind them to swat away those Plasma Fireballs as if they were nothing like they did.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Mar. 30 2004,01:03)]Your talking about a Kaiju that swatted away Gamera's plasma balls like nothing, and the tentacles were within the explosion and suffered no damage.

His body took no physical damage until Gamera shoved his hand into his abdominal sac and ripped out his guts and Ayana. Even then all it did was piss Irys off.

Then it took the Plasma Fist to kill Irys by burning his insides, and even then the exterior of his body wasnt damaged all that much.

I just dont get how people see Irys as weak.
<font color='#FF7F00'>First off, I think the &quot;tentacle swatting away Gamera's fire balls away&quot; part was just indicating that Iris' tentacles were strong. Or in this case the metalic tips of them.

I just find it weird how easily Gamera could just jam his fist
into Iris' abdominal sac and it would penetrate its so-called armor with ease. And really, the reason why Iris did not get hurt much during the battle was becuase, well, Gamera did not really attack him much.

I don't know, it seems weird that in some parts he seems invincible (the platoon attacking, the jet attack, and the swatting away fire scene) while other times I think he seems fragile (getting a chunk bit out of him in the battle of the sky, and of course the abdominal sac part)

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>The more I think about it, I realize how easily Iris' slicing beam from his tentacles could easily cut Orochi's heads off.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Quote[/b] (Husnock @ Mar. 30 2004,15:35)]And I don't at all agree that Irys is fragile either, Saruman. *That is a factor that is constantly brought up against her in matches, and it has no real basis. *In fact, quite the opposite. *Irys' body, despite being blown up from the inside, was still all but intact afterwards, and those tentacles have gotta have some monstrous physical strength behind them to swat away those Plasma Fireballs as if they were nothing like they did.
<font color='#FF7F00'>Maybe if Iris was in the movie more, we could truly see if Iris is fragile or not. There really is proof that he is strong and that he is fragile.

In the meantime, I do realize that it would be kinda unfair in the battle if we used &quot;Iris is fragile&quot; in battles. It is an opinion, not a fact.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ Mar. 30 2004,15:38)]I just find it weird how easily Gamera could just jam his fist
into Iris' abdominal sac and it would penetrate its so-called armor with ease. And really, the reason why Iris did not get hurt much during the battle was becuase, well, Gamera did not really attack him much.
The abdominal sac was still re-sealing back up when Gamera punched through it, and it wasn't a real part of her chest armor anyways (that's the big silvery part http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ). *And when did Gamera bite a chunk out of her in the dogfight? *I remember him biting into her neck, but that was about it. *No big chunk of flesh being spat out or anything.

Quote[/b] ]In the meantime, I do realize that it would be kinda unfair in the battle if we used &quot;Iris is fragile&quot; in battles. It is an opinion, not a fact.
A good idea henry, and one I wholeheartedly agree with. &nbsp;Despite whatever proof either side has, there just isn't enough concrete evidence to use such an arguement.

[PyrasTerran]

There's enough evidence to oppose it.

Even after blown from the inside out, the armored pieces of Irys remained intact.

Gamera attacked him brutally. I don't see where he wasn't attacking him 'much'.

He withstood Gamera's spinning rocketfire attack for a helluva long time, and that attack should not be underestimated, it's like having giant blowtorches seered across you at several times a second. It could rip appart many kaiju in a short while. It didn't even leave burn marks on Irys.

Even after Gamera thrust his arm into his stomach(and at that moment, his body was about to go through changes, and thus, vulnerable), he still had the strength to pin Gamera and prepare a final blow(had he known Gamera could send his own attack back at him, he might have finished him off with the second blade).

[Daikaijuking]

Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ Mar. 29 2004,19:30)]Goodbye Los Angelas! http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif



Anyways, I think Orochi wins. He just has all those heads that breath fire and could blast Iris to peices. Iris may be able to block the beams with his strong tentacles, but he'll eventually get hit and Iris is hurt very badly.

If Iris decides to get in close combat with Orochi that makes matters for him much worse.
but then if its only fire then Iris would kil the thing.

[Baryonyx13]

<font color='#000080'>True, Irys' armour was left over after he/she/it was killed, but that's not all of him.
This picture:http://www.interq.or.jp/tokyo/over-g/HP/irys.jpg
shows that Irys had quite a bit of open skin. And I don't think the stomach was vulnerable because of some change that was about to happen. I think it was just a spot not covered by armour, so it was relativley easy to puncture. In all actuallity, I beleive Gamera could have stabbed or bitten or torn any part of Irys except what was covered by armour. The stomach was just as durable as the rest of it's skin, so that's why Gamera was able to puncture it with his fist.

Not that I'm deneying Irys is very powerful, it's just I think it's only the armour that keeps him from getting torn up like most kaiju.

Oh, he would win by the way. The big O has nuthin' on him.



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[Solar_Behemoth]

Quote[/b] (Husnock @ Mar. 30 2004,15:44)]The abdominal sac was still re-sealing back up when Gamera punched through it, and it wasn't a real part of her chest armor anyways (that's the big silvery part http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ). *And when did Gamera bite a chunk out of her in the dogfight? *I remember him biting into her neck, but that was about it. *No big chunk of flesh being spat out or anything.
<font color='#FF7F00'>Ooooo... I didn't know the abdominal sac was re-sealing when Gamera punched through it! Well then, it makes sense how Gamera could have punched through Iris at that time.

I know I saw Gamera bite into Iris somewhere when they were flying in the air, but I might have mistaken the part with &quot;stuff&quot; coming out of Iris- it happened pretty quick it is hard to tell.

Anyways, I think Iris would probably prove to be a very powerful kaiju once it squares off with the mighty Orochi.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>Say, remember the part when Ayana's brother (forget his name) threw that sacred dagger at Iris? It hit Iris' armor, and you could here a metalic clank.

That is some evidence that Iris has some rock-hard armor, but then again, would a small dagger do anything to any kaiju? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[PyrasTerran]

That wasn't Ayana's brother, that was her &quot;boyfriend&quot;.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (PyrasTerran @ Mar. 30 2004,21:15)]That wasn't Ayana's brother, that was her &quot;boyfriend&quot;.
Or so he dreamed. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Quote[/b] ]I know I saw Gamera bite into Iris somewhere when they were flying in the air, but I might have mistaken the part with &quot;stuff&quot; coming out of Iris- it happened pretty quick it is hard to tell.
I know the part you're talking about, and it's pretty confusing. &nbsp;When Gamera rushed at Irys, it looked like that &quot;shrapnel&quot; stuff or whatever it was was already flying everywhere before he even reached her, and then we get that weird sawblade sound outta nowhere... &nbsp;Confusing stuff, very hard to make sense of... http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[PyrasTerran]

Quote[/b] ]Or so he dreamed.

I'm sure she had softened up by the end of that incident.

[SandwormPhish]

Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ Mar. 30 2004,20:21)]Say, remember the part when Ayana's brother (forget his name) threw that sacred dagger at Iris? It hit Iris' armor, and you could here a metalic clank.

That is some evidence that Iris has some rock-hard armor, but then again, would a small dagger do anything to any kaiju? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Don't forget the anti-tank weapons he shrugged off earlier.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (SandwormPhish @ Mar. 31 2004,01:44)]Don't forget the anti-tank weapons he shrugged off earlier.
And for a DaiKaiju, that's a very impressive accomplishment right there. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif (j/k)