World War Hulk

[SuperXAsh]

Apparently this is set to occur right after both the Civil War and Planet Hulk events end.

Just the title alone, which is all we've got so far, sounds like bad news for the rest of the Marvel U. I think, from the sound of it, Hulk's coming home... and is not in the most happiest of moods about recent events.

-Which could spell BIG trouble for Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Namor, Nick Fury, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Black Bolt.

Course, this could be something else entirely, we only have the title so far, so this could change between Now and Then.

[Gorjirus]

C'moooooooooonnnnn new Hulkbuster armor!

That's what I'm rooting for.

[Cole Deschain]

Eh. Black Bolt and Namor should be fine.

Reed, T'Challa, Nick, Tony and Stevieboy, though... *shudder*

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Actually , Black Bolt's @$$ is grass as well. For he was one of those who voted to send the Hulk into space. T'Challa on the other hand was never involved in Illuminatti business from the start. The ones who will put into a hurt locker as well are Iron Man, Reed Richards, Dr. Strange, and unfortunatly Nick Fury since they used a Fury LMD to talk Banner into going to the space probe.

Anywho heres some stuff on the event that will shake the Pillars of Heaven as Jack Burton would say.
First is an article about the WWH panel:http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/WWH.html
Then heres the spinoff mini from writer Frank Tieri(X-Men:Apocalypse Vs. Dracula) WORLD WAR HULK:GAMMA CORPS in which the U.S. Military sics the gamma empowered equivalent of the strike team from Predator on the Hulk.http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=103078
Finally heres the trailer for the event.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPfxkilfjo

[Cole Deschain]

No, Black BOlt will be fine.

Because he's one of the very few Marvel characters I can see wiping the floor with the Hulk.

[Gorjirus]

Oh, and Charles. (Since there is an X-Men tie -in).

[Super Angillas]

So wait, how did the vote go when the Illuminati voted Hulk off the planet? I know it was Tony and Reed's idea, and that Namor punched Iron Man through the wall, But how did Strange vote?

Marvel won't do this, but I think it would be cool if at the end of WWH, the earth was divided up and ruled by Hulk, Namor, Black Panther, and Doom.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Strange was in on the vote to to send the Hulk into space, and he voted "Yes" when it came down to it. Remember, the Sorcerer Supreme had banished the Green Goliath to the interdimensional Crossroads when the latter was reduced to a total state of savagery by Nightmare.

[Zeptron]

I wonder how Hulk's return will affect Silent War, in which Black Bolt has declared war on Earth thanks to Quicksilver stealing the Terrigen Crystals.

[Cole Deschain]

He might forge an alliance of convenience with BB, even though he still blames him.

He can always thrash the inhumans later...

[Gorjirus]

Silent War is pre Civil War. WWH is post Civil War.

[Cole Deschain]

Well, judging by some cover art....

Black Bolt gets nerfed if he shows up ata all... Although that might just be cover art hyperbole.

[SuperXAsh]

I just wonder what side his cousin Jen's gonna be on. Specially if she finds out what Tony and co. did to Bruce.

[Excelsior]

Eh. Black Bolt and Namor should be fine.

Reed, T'Challa, Nick, Tony and Stevieboy, though... *shudder*

The Sorceror Supreme? Gotta imagine that out of all of the Illuminati he'll be A-OK.

[Cole Deschain]

The Sorceror Supreme who NEVER. DOES. ANYTHING.

Five will get you ten he shows p at the end, waves his magic wand and fixes everything.

[Excelsior]

The Sorceror Supreme who NEVER. DOES. ANYTHING.

Five will get you ten he shows p at the end, waves his magic wand and fixes everything.

Yeah, that's the problem with having such a powerful character in the mix. Like was said in CW - he could fix everything with a flick of his pinkie. Makes him hard to write - sort of like pre-Crisis Superman was too powerful to be interesting (pre - CoIE, of course).

Nevertheless, he's able to summon and bind Mephisto. No way Hulk gets close unless SS lets him.

[Mecha74]

I just wonder what side his cousin Jen's gonna be on. Specially if she finds out what Tony and co. did to Bruce.

She does find out and she gets royally pissed too. I don't know if it's going to be in IRON MAN or SHE-HULK, but a special Marvel previews mini book outlining the aftermath of CW spoke of it. She's gonna be gunning for Tony in a big way, I and I don't mean in a see you in court kinda way, I mean in a She-hulk will smash kinda way.

[Gorjirus]

It's in She-Hulk.

And let me guess..... Ole Shellhead will probably lose when he shouldn't....

[godofPH]

Anyone else seeing this as a major oppurtunity for the disgruntled Anti-Reggers to get back by backing a certain angry green giant who has it out for Reed and Stark?

[Cole Deschain]

And let me guess..... Ole Shellhead will probably lose when he shouldn't....


ENOUGH with the persecution complex, Gor! Why can't you just get behind the new Order, Wherein Cap is Dumb, Tony is evil, and Sentry is the way of the future? JOIN US, GORJIRUS!


And by "us," I mean Thor and Alpha Flight Fans, mourning in bitter seclusion.

[SuperXAsh]

Now we don't know how much of Frontlines is exactly canon. I won't mind the new "order" of things as long as it's aftermath is handled well.

As long as they don't suddenly surprise us all with "Tony's really a Skrull imposter or under the control of Kang or Loki." :sly:

[Zeptron]

You know, there's a big difference between evil &, well, a**holery. Ironman certainly isn't "nice," but neither is he the "personification of evil" all the sheep are proclaiming him to be. The Marvel Universe is all kinds of effed up right now, & with the country & the world so consumed by turmoil, they need a strong, wise, fearless leader to pull or, if necessary, push them through to the light; they need a leader who is not afraid to make sacrifices (which is what heroes are supposed to do in the 1st place). When you're fighting to protect your people, you don't always have the luxury of playing by the rules--and if it means ending long-standing relationships & alienating former friends/allies, so be it. Ironman may not be the most lovable character, but he firmly, steadfastly believes in the defense of his people, & he is not afraid to do what must be done to keep them alive--even if it means scorn & villification for the rest of his life.




In ways, he's a lot like Lord Conqueror.

[Super Angillas]

Sacrifice is only noble when it's not you sacrificing others to get what you want. But having the disgruntled anti reggers join with the Hulk should'nt happen. If he's so out for blood that collatiral damage won't matter to him, then siding with him would only prove that they are complete jerks, even worse than Tony.

Oh and I live in a happy place- namly the MC2 universe with Spider-Girl.

[SuperXAsh]

God... I was on the opposite side (with Cap) of this and I'm finding myself having to speak up on Stark's behalf. Talk about ironic.

Untill we get some more answers on this, I'm just gonna chalk up this issue of Frontline to another case of "a different writer doing his own little spin on the events." It's happened before during mega-arcs like this.

[Super Angillas]

It does seem that way. Do the marvel editors even check to see if the charecters are written consistently across the books, or do they just let the writers do whatever?

[Zillaman]

i cant wait to get world war hulk! i got a poster and i already got the planet hulk series! world war hulk series will be really and very violent!

[SuperXAsh]

Well as stated in the Civil War thread, I've went and actually read that Frontlines issue. What we've been told by the reviewer on said link is not what really happens. He/she pretty much exaggerated EVERYTHING and/or totally made it all up.

The only true thing from said review is that Sally character ripping into Cap and his ideals. But even then she's pretty much making an *** out of herself. BUT she doesn't suddenly go onto sing the praises of Tony Stark either. She and Phil pretty much double-teamed him in their interview.

AND Tony is not shown as a villain as previously stated, and he doesn't suddenly freak out and go crazu as also stated... but apparently just has a normal little breakdown after the reporters leave, and is left sobbing on the floor.

Wow... is that evil or what? :sarcasm: *is kidding*

[Zeptron]

Sacrifice is only noble when it's not you sacrificing others to get what you want.

Stark has said more than once that he doesn't want Registration; remember that originally, he went before Congress to argue against it! He merely recognizes that the old ways no longer work, that the public is crying out for change, & that Registration is the least painful option (unlike Project Wideawake, which would essentially have Sentinels patrolling the superhumans night & day).

[Super Angillas]

Well we now know what really sets Hulk off. Oh boy. I don't know if that was an intentional failsafe from Stark and Richerds, And of course they didn't plan on sending Hulk to a civilized planet, but still, that makes Stamford seem minor. And it looked like Hulk was actually going to achive world peace! Now that is reason to be pissed.

[Darth Reaper]

What happened? I still don't know. You got me curious now you must give me the answer.

[Super Angillas]

Okay. Keep in mind I havn't actually read the issue, but got this off a review I found on the Newsarama forums.
Spolers






I said spolers and I meant it...






From what I understand most of the issue deals with Hulk settling into his new role as the Green King, and from the looks of things, he's actually pulled off world peace. Things look even better still when the alien woman he married tells him she's pregnant. However when Hulk gets back from seeing the spikes offplanet, and returns he gets a very bad surpise. The people of the capital city of the planet are throwing a parade in honor of their beloved king, and one of the things being paraded is the ship that brought them to him. Hulk heres and ominuous beeping and realizes the warp core is going to blow. I'm not sure but apparently their was a message from Reed and Tony that could be taken to mean that this was a failsafe to prevent Hulks return. Anyways Hulk throws the ship into space, but it doesn't get far enough away before exploding. As the explosion engulfs the city, Hulk attempts to shield his wife.


So in short the reason why Hulk wants to kill the Illuminati isn't because they launched him into space. That actually worked out well for him, as he found a sort of peace, and became a beloved king. No, he's going to kill them, because now it looks to him like they destroyed his live, and killed everything he loved. If I was Reed and Tony, I'd be very, very afraid, as it seems the Hulk and his allies who live, are going to be out for blood.

[godofPH]

Okay. Keep in mind I havn't actually read the issue, but got this off a review I found on the Newsarama forums.
Spolers






I said spolers and I meant it...

What the hell are "spolers"?

Anyways, Holy Experiment 626, sounds like quite the event on the horizon. I'll also be able to access a store that sells comic books throughout the summer, so I may just try to jump into comics at this event.

Shellhead, you'd better be cooking up some damn fine armor if you don't want to end up dead-until-needed-again like your ol' pal Cap.

[KAMERUS88]

What the hell are "spolers"?

Anyways, Holy Experiment 626, sounds like quite the event on the horizon. I'll also be able to access a store that sells comic books throughout the summer, so I may just try to jump into comics at this event.

Shellhead, you'd better be cooking up some damn fine armor if you don't want to end up dead-until-needed-again like your ol' pal Cap.

Come on man no need to petty here he obviously meant SPOILERS everyone has made a spelling error from time to time.

Now on to the topic, So as a lax follower of the main stream Marvel Universe let me try and get this straight.

Hulk Was jettisoned to another planet so he couldn't interfere during the super hero registration act that occurs in CIVIL WAR correct?

[Cole Deschain]

No, he was jettisoned because he was the Hulk.

[SuperXAsh]

Exactly, and it was recently (well.. last year) revealed in an issue of F4, that not even Human Torch going to Supernova on him was able to take down the Hulk, as he and Thing bashed it out in Vegas. The list of things that could take down the Hulk was growing VERY thin...

Ironically it was the Thing who came up with the idea as he jokingly suggested it to Reed, obviously not being serious, but Reed's MR. SERIOUS, so he took that idea, sending the Hulk in a big rocket, into serious consideration.

[Burkion]

Well, then.

Hulk? Beat Tony up side his head with his own limbs.

[Cole Deschain]

He should team up with Namor (who opposed the action) again, and curbstomp the entire current Marvel U.

No THor.
UNrecognizable X-Men.
Dead Alpha Flight
Tony acting waaaaay outta character.
Cap dead.


HULK SMASH!

[godofPH]

He should team up with Namor (who opposed the action) again, and curbstomp the entire current Marvel U.

No THor.
UNrecognizable X-Men.
Dead Alpha Flight
Tony acting waaaaay outta character.
Cap dead.


HULK SMASH!

Then again, you still have Sentry on IM's side...

[SuperXAsh]

I don't know... Sentry's still pretty much in "Superman Mode" and is almost always holding back. But it DOES bring up an interesting question, as it'll undoubtedly occur during this.

I'm still waiting for when Thor comes back.

[Cole Deschain]

Then again, you still have Sentry on IM's side...

Johnny-come lately plot device?

Who cares?

[Super Angillas]

Ironically it was the Thing who came up with the idea as he jokingly suggested it to Reed, obviously not being serious, but Reed's MR. SERIOUS, so he took that idea, sending the Hulk in a big rocket, into serious consideration.
That explains why one of the teaser covers has Hulk standing over a beaten up Thing. I guess he's being very thourgh.

Also to expand on my earlier post...

Spoilers...

It's seems a little unclear as to why the warp core blew. I could have been a failsafe, sabatoge by Miek and the Brood, or just from damge caused by the crash landing and it being paraded around. Also it's been confirmed that Miek, the Brood, and Korg are going to accompany Hulk to earth.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

THE...
WAR...
STARTS....
HERE !http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA_07/Marvel/mondo.html

[Cole Deschain]

All right... I dig Black Bolt. I like him.

But GO HULK! KICK HIS SCRAWNY INHUMAN BUTT!

[Super Angillas]

I supose that if I was coming back from space, I would stop on the moon first too. The "killed my world" line from the Hulk sure desn't bode well for Sakkar, does it? And that cover with Hulks arm punching Iron Mans head off, sure deosn't look good for IM does it? I'm looking to like this more than Civil War.

[SuperXAsh]

.... HELL YEAH. :sly:

I'm definately psyched about this.

This doesn't bode well for the Inhumans, as I'm pretty sure Hulk's gonna tear them ALL a new one. This will probably be a preview of things to come for Iron Man and his crew.

[Cole Deschain]

Oh, and here's hoping that Sally Floyd gets eaten by a Brood.

[Burkion]

Hulk!

Beat Iron Man to death with his oversized Oscar Myers Weinermobile he calls a base!

[Doc Ock]

Hulk!

Beat Iron Man to death with his oversized Oscar Myers Weinermobile he calls a base!

I second that. HULK SMASH!!!

[Burkion]

Welp, I'm happy: http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3189862.html#cutid1

Oh, and it appears that Tony's UniBeam is nothing more then a flash light.


Gor? THIS guy is suposed to match the Power Rangers?

You insult me.

:D

[Cole Deschain]

No, no BUkr.

It's just that Peter's getting some kind of power spike.

Again.

And his web is "that strong."

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

It was during the late 80's , early 90's , Spidey modified his webshooters in various ways. Along with being made from space age plastic so they wouldn't set off metal detectors. They were each equipped with a L.E.D. (light emitting device) that would start blinking once his web fluid cartridge would nearly be empty. Then, the one particular addition to his array of gimmicks, was an extra-strong, heavy duty webbing for "Class 100" dudes like the Hulk. Its only flaw was that the pinch valves which cut the webbing automatically once Spidey let off the webshooter trigger, were unable to cut, and he'd have to break it himself.

[Mecha74]

^Aren't his web shooters organic now though, as in coming from his body instead of fabricated shooters?

By the way Doc Ock, I love the animated pic in your sig, damn funny that is.:laugh:

[Burkion]

Bah, still doesn't explain why the Uni Laser did...well, NOTHING.

There is no smoke anywhere, there is no DAMAGE to anything.

Not even the surrounding area, and if it was as powerful as I've been told, it should have VAPED that area at full. Not...well, not even giving Petey a suntan...

[Mecha74]

^I completely agree with you Burk, I was more or less addressing the fact that THE ONE AND ONLY brought up about Petey making his hardware web shooters stronger. Since he doesn't have them anymore I was just wondering how strong his organic webbing is supposed to be by comparrison.

[Burkion]

I think he just used all he had.

Which means, as strong as it usually is, only a lot of it.


And is it me, or was Tonyboy rather fragile?

Again, Gor? He can beat a team of Power Rangers? My ***.

[Cole Deschain]

It's a Spider-Man book.

Tony has to job to Pete. It's in the rules.

[Darth Reaper]

I hope that in the WORLD WAR HULK: X-MEN crossover we get to see The Hulk mop the floor with some of the veteran X-Men. It would be a shame if he only gets to slug it out with the nubies. Funny thing, I don't think The Hulk has ever fought Colossus before. That could be interesting, although naturally Hulk Smash.

[Super Angillas]

Let us not forget that not only are Spidey's web shooters organic now, but also MAGICAL. As a result they can MAGICALLY do whatever the writers want. He can MAGICALLY make a pony if he wants with them.

[Gorjirus]

I think he just used all he had.

Which means, as strong as it usually is, only a lot of it.


And is it me, or was Tonyboy rather fragile?

Again, Gor? He can beat a team of Power Rangers? My ***.

*sigh*


The uni-beam has muiltiple functions. One, is simply light. Thus, Iron Man was simply trying to blind Spiderman.

That same unibeam blew a hole through the first Extremis recipient.

[Zeptron]

If Wolverine chopped off Hulk's limbs, would they grow back?

[Gorjirus]

Yes. They would.

[Super Angillas]

Actually the might not have to. Hulk could potentally heal fast enough that by the time Logan actually got all the way through the arm, the part that was first cut would have already healed.

So would Wolverine be able to heal from being thrown into orbit?

[Gorjirus]

Most likely.

[SuperXAsh]

Would be nice to see wolverine and hulk throw down again.

[Darth Reaper]

If Wolverine chopped off Hulk's limbs, would they grow back?- Zeptron

He's never pulled that off before, what makes you think he'll do it now. Me thinks The Hulk's limbs are too think and resilient for Wolverine to chop them off with one swing, and of course he heals real fast.

[Super Angillas]

Seems theirs been some previews for the last part of Planet Hulk.

Spoilers


Deosn't look good for Hulks wife and unborn child. Seems they die, and it looks like the ships explosion was deliberate. So no matter how badass an armor Tony Stark builds, he's in trouble. Because the MADDER Hulk gets the STRONGER Hulk gets. And that would make anyone have immense rage.

I wonder how this will end without someone major like Iron Man or Hulk dying. Because something like that wouldn't be forgiven or forggotten easily. The ways I can see WWH ending are...
1-Bruce Banner wrests back control from the Hulk right before he fineshes IM. He appoligizes for all the damage, but Tony dicides that Bruce/Hulk is to great a threat and repulsors his head off.
2-It turns out it really wasn't the Illuminati's fault, but that Hulk was betrayed by someone from within. After Hulk finds out, and smashes the guilty party, he breaks down in grief. Tony decides not to be a total ******* for once in recent memory, and instead comforts his old friend.
3-Something really, really stupid.

[Burkion]

I'm bettin' 3.

[Gorjirus]

2-It turns out it really wasn't the Illuminati's fault, but that Hulk was betrayed by someone from within. After Hulk finds out, and smashes the guilty party, he breaks down in grief. Tony decides not to be a total ******* for once in recent memory, and instead comforts his old friend.


It's not the Illuminati's fault in the first place that the shuttle exploded!

[Super Angillas]

That depends on whether or not they set the shuttle to explode as a safty mesure to prevent the Hulks return. If they did, then yes it is their fault that a very big explosion killed a bunch of innocent people. Not directly, as they never inteded to send it to anywhere inhabeted, but Reed and Tony should feel some guilt.

[SuperXAsh]

Well I have a fear that someone close to Bruce is gonna get axed in the end. Either it will be She-Hulk, that one chinese kid, or Rick Jones.

I'm leaning towards Rick Jones getting offed in the crossfire. It'd have a lotta impact.

I'm not too entirely trusting of Miek and that Brood alien though. >.>

[Gorjirus]

That depends on whether or not they set the shuttle to explode as a safty mesure to prevent the Hulks return. If they did, then yes it is their fault that a very big explosion killed a bunch of innocent people. Not directly, as they never inteded to send it to anywhere inhabeted, but Reed and Tony should feel some guilt.

Why would they set the shuttle to explode? Hulk can't pilot it, and Banner wouldn't want to.

Plus, if they did set it to explode, why would they make the explosion so big?

[Zeptron]

If the explosion occurred while the ship was in space, Hulk would be SOL.

[Super Angillas]

Why would they set the shuttle to explode? Hulk can't pilot it, and Banner wouldn't want to.

Plus, if they did set it to explode, why would they make the explosion so big?
While I'm not sure that the Illuminati did, in some ways it would make sense to have a failsafe. Remember Dr. Strange once dumped the Hulk into the crossroads of reality, and Hulk eventually found his way back. If it was a failsafe by Tony and Reed, they were probably not just trying to strand the Hulk, but kill him so he couldn't return, ever.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

It could've been Maria Hill, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Director, who pushed Tony into taking care of the Hulk once and that had the self-destruct installed behind his back in constructing the capsule. The Hulk has returned from seemingly a sure death before, so she wanted to add a little insurance policy to prevent the Jade Giant's return.

[Gorjirus]

While I'm not sure that the Illuminati did, in some ways it would make sense to have a failsafe. Remember Dr. Strange once dumped the Hulk into the crossroads of reality, and Hulk eventually found his way back. If it was a failsafe by Tony and Reed, they were probably not just trying to strand the Hulk, but kill him so he couldn't return, ever.

If they did have a failsafe, it would be to just destroy the shuttle, not kill the Hulk. After it had landed.

Besides, if they had just wanted to kill the Hulk, they would have just shot it into the Sun! Not just have it blow up in deep space.

I still say that the shuttle blew simply becaused it crashed and had people messing inside it, when it wasn't supposed to crash. That's why it was a warp core breach. (If it was done on pupose, they wouldn't have installed an alarm for it).

[Super Angillas]

I'm personally of the opinion that Tony and Reed wouldn't have wanted to kill the Hulk unless they felt their was absolutly no over way. Actually the failsafe might not have been a good idea anyways. If Hulk had wanted he could have gotten a ride off that planet from the Silver Surfer. But the way Marvel's been writing them I can't shake the idea that they think Reed and Tony would do it. Remember not to long ago nobody would belive that Tony and Reed would be willing to throw thier fellow superhero's into prison indefinitly, and look what just happened...

[Gorjirus]

I'm personally of the opinion that Tony and Reed wouldn't have wanted to kill the Hulk unless they felt their was absolutly no over way. Actually the failsafe might not have been a good idea anyways. If Hulk had wanted he could have gotten a ride off that planet from the Silver Surfer.

The Illuminati didn't know about Silver Surfer though.

And again, if they had wanted to kill him, there were much more efficient ways.

[Super Angillas]

I used the Surfer as an example. The Illuminati do know that space is full of all sorts of races and beings, some of whom are on good terms with the Hulk, and some of whom wouldn't mind letting him lose on earth for a little payback. The Illuminati could have rigged the ship to blow as a failsafe in case the Hulk did find a way back. I'm not saying they did, but just exploring the possibilities.

[SuperXAsh]

Well, Planet Hulk's done.

Hulk's mighty pissed, and is on his way home... may god help Tony and the Illuminati, and the Initiative.

[Super Angillas]

Yeah, that ending was definetly worst case scenario. The Illuminati have to have violated some sort of intergalactic planet destroyingly powerful warp core registration act.

[Gorjirus]

It's a warp core. In any science fiction universe, your stardrive/warp core breaches, it always produces said huge explosion.

Hulk's just ticked and thus is going to lash out, even those attacked are not to blame.

[Super Angillas]

Huge, yes, but planet killing? Actually that makes me think that it wasn't intentional on the illuminati's part. I don't see them blowing up an entire planet, uninhabited or not just to kill the Hulk. I wouldn't say thier entirly blameless, after all they did send the Hulk their and build the ship, but their was no probably no active malice in their actions.

[Zeptron]

Hulk's just ticked and thus is going to lash out, even those attacked are not to blame.

Perhaps Banner really isn't in control after all, & the end of WWH will have him begging Stark (or someone else) to kill him so he can't hurt anybody ever again.

[Super Angillas]

It's very establised that Banner isn't in control, but rather the Hulk is. Remember their different personalities, and rarely agree. Banner didn't lose everything with this.

Gor, you can't say that Reed and Tony should'nt feel at least a little bad about the planet that got blown up, can you.

[SuperXAsh]

wether it was intentional or not, the Illuminati STILL put a frikkin' explosive device on that ship. The size of the explosion obviously shows you that they made it with the Hulk in mind. Now I doubt they intended to blow up an entire planet, but they undoubtedly had a contingency plan in store in case their original plan (of lying to the Hulk and sending him up into space) didn't work out as hoped.

And wether they intended for it to happen or not, their bomb still killed off almost an entire planet, an entire civilization. So what's the Hulk supposed to think? All this has happened because of the Illuminati's actions. He was kicked off his home planet (again, lied to and shot off into space), where he had managed to forge a new life for himself on another world, to finally find happiness in his own way, to find love, only to have it taken away 2 days later by the same group of people via a big *** explosion.

So what is the Hulk supposed to think about this?

I just hope this is handled well.

[Cole Deschain]

Bah.

I hope the Hulk's Jobber aura is turned up to ten for this one.

I hope legions fall before him.

I hope that "Hulk-pacifying radiation" crap the Sentry has fails him utterly.

In short... Marvel has made me angry enough at 'em... I hope Hulk curbstomps them ALL.

Except Omega Flight. ;)

[Gorjirus]

Gor, you can't say that Reed and Tony should'nt feel at least a little bad about the planet that got blown up, can you.



Of course they'd feel bad! But it wasn't there intentions.

wether it was intentional or not, the Illuminati STILL put a frikkin' explosive device on that ship. The size of the explosion obviously shows you that they made it with the Hulk in mind. Now I doubt they intended to blow up an entire planet, but they undoubtedly had a contingency plan in store in case their original plan (of lying to the Hulk and sending him up into space) didn't work out as hoped.


It wasn't an explosive device. It was an engine. That, after crashing and being tinkered with, was breached. Warp Core Breach. Those usually result in large explosions. And the explosion just set off the chain reaction that destroyed the planet (aka the plates and such).

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Preview and the 411 on Incredible Hulk#106 and WORLD WAR HULK:PROLOGUE smashing into comic book stores this May.http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=108261

[godofPH]

Preview and the 411 on Incredible Hulk#106 and WORLD WAR HULK:PROLOGUE smashing into comic book stores this May.http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=108261

Oh yeah, somebody's getting what's coming to them:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/WWH/Preview/WWHProps02.jpg

[Gorjirus]

Oh nos, Iron Man hit the ground not even hard enough to make a crater....

And Mr.Fantastic was flung towards the sun with a Sorceror Supreme.

[Cole Deschain]

Too bad that's probably only the HUlk's revenge fantasy....

[SuperXAsh]

Interesting previews, and yeah that's more than likely a revenge fantasy.

But what's got me more interested is what She-Hulk's gonna do. The preview mags state that she's gonna make a b-line for Tony after she learns what he did to her cousin, and we might just see how angry and powerful she really can be. I mean she fought alongside him and Reed countless times, has put her trust in them, has been there for the longest time, and even joined on their side during the Civil War... I mean that's alotta **** she's done for her "friends" and I'm sure that's all gonna come crashing down once she learns what they've done.

One pissed-off Hulk is bad enough, two pissed-off Hulks is even worse.

Tony and his crew and his precious 50-state Initiative are gonna have one hell of a problem on their hands.

[Super Angillas]

Oh nos, Iron Man hit the ground not even hard enough to make a crater....

And Mr.Fantastic was flung towards the sun with a Sorceror Supreme.
Look harder Gor. Iron Man fell down after having his chest cut into with a sword, although it doesn't seem to have gone too deep.

[Gorjirus]

Look harder Gor. Iron Man fell down after having his chest cut into with a sword, although it doesn't seem to have gone too deep.

See? And if they wanted it to go in deep, that would just mean that A) he just wouldn't be in the suit, B) he would just regen.

[Super Angillas]

Actually If I were Tony Stark, I would definetly be looking into the remote controled suits right now. But keeping the main one one, for when needed, witch it will be.

[Cole Deschain]

See? And if they wanted it to go in deep, that would just mean that A) he just wouldn't be in the suit, B) he would just regen.

Since it's a REVENGE FANTASY, Gor, I think it's fair to say that THAT Iron Man is dead.

[Zeptron]

I just hope this is handled well.

Well, knowing Marvel, they'll probably have Hulk cry & surrender after Sally Floyd yells at him for not knowing about MySpace or watching Nascar. :cursing:

[Super Angillas]

Joe Q already confermed that Hulk has a myspace profile, and that Sally is number 4 on his friends list.

[Zeptron]

Joe Q also said Clor would survive Civil War. Joe Q says a lot of things!

[Super Angillas]

Well obviously he was joking. At least about Clor.

[SuperXAsh]

*shrugs* I think it's gonna take alot more than upset bystanders to stop the Hulk at this point. I'm pretty sure what's gonna stop him is bound to be tragic, which makes me worry about the fate of She-Hulk or someone like Rick Jones.

[Gorjirus]

Well obviously he was joking. At least about Clor.

Actually, they weren't. Because even after Civil War #7 some of us (including myself) asked Joe Q (or some other editor) about Clor surviving Civil War. And they still confirmed that Clor (or more specifically, A Clor) will be seen/heard from after Civil War.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

I hope we see more of Clor, or a least another one. Come on, with the new THOR comic on the horizon, the fans can't wait to see the Thunder God's reaction to Tony having him cloned, and on top of it what the bugger's done. Then comes the long anticipated THOR Vs. CLOR slobberknocker since the faux Thunder God made his debut.

[Zeptron]

*shrugs* I think it's gonna take alot more than upset bystanders to stop the Hulk at this point. I'm pretty sure what's gonna stop him is bound to be tragic, which makes me worry about the fate of She-Hulk or someone like Rick Jones.

Oh, those b******s had better not kill Jenny! She & Deadpool are the only Marvel comics left worth reading, & the reason is because they're FUN! And fun is what comics are supposed to be, not all angsty & preachy like Civil Bore.

I admit, I just love The Emerald Amazon. It also doesn't hurt that she's gorgeous.

[Super Angillas]

Um the Clor part was a joke. I already knew about Clor being back. I guess that Tony had a spare head laying around somewhere.

[Gorjirus]

Oh, those b******s had better not kill Jenny! She & Deadpool are the only Marvel comics left worth reading, & the reason is because they're FUN! And fun is what comics are supposed to be, not all angsty & preachy like Civil Bore.


Comics don't necisarrily need to be "fun". Watchmen wasn't "fun", and it is one of the best comics ever.

(Just like every newspaper strip doesn't have to be funny, some are just storylines).

[Burkion]

Yeah, but most of Marvel sucks now.

[SuperXAsh]

In your opinion.

I think it's one of the more interesting periods of Marvel history. It's given alotta characters, not affiliated with the X-men or Spiderman, something to do and in a big way. Not just with Civil War though, talking stuff like Annihilation as well.

Granted there are stuff i'm not particularly fond of, but luckily they don't detract from the overall product too much.

[Gorjirus]

^I agree with Ash.

I'm not a particular fan of the X-Men OR Spiderman. I am much more of an Avengers person, so I love that for once they are again in the spotlight. In fact, pretty much everyone but the X-Men (and to some lesser degree Spiderman) is having alot of attention right now. So much so, that it seems that the whole "Back in Black" thing isn't as huge as I once thought it would be.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Some more news on what will be arriving on the front of WORLD WAR HULK.http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/july07/solicitations.html

[SuperXAsh]

From the looks of things, Tony's gonna actually get some comuppance, or however it's spelled.

The only sour note in this is that Gamma Corps thing, which kinda sounds stupid. That or maybe it's just the cover art. *shrugs*

[Super Angillas]

From the looks of things, Tony's gonna actually get some comuppance, or however it's spelled.

The only sour note in this is that Gamma Corps thing, which kinda sounds stupid. That or maybe it's just the cover art. *shrugs*
It says that Iron Man is missing, not that his mangled body is barly clinging to life in a secret SHIELD medical facility. I figure Dum Dum probably won't seize control of SHIELD as so much has been made of Tony bieng the new head. Well this may work out well for Nick Fury when he comes back. If Tony manages to run SHIELD into the ground like all those companeys he's lost, then, Fury can just rebuild it without the courruption.

[Gorjirus]

If Tony manages to run SHIELD into the ground like all those companeys he's lost, then, Fury can just rebuild it without the courruption.


Instead of Tony running SHIELD like all those companies he built up....

And which company did Tony run into the ground again?

[Super Angillas]

I said lost. Not run into the ground. (Edit- Oh yeah, I did say run into the ground. You even qouted me Gor. Man did I ever have a massive brainfart. Well I rebuke myself in the rest of my post here, so sorry about that.-end edit) Yeah their normally lost because of someones evil plot against Tony, but he has gone through a lot of companys. Lets see, he lost his original company to Obadiah Stanes hostile takeover. Stane also blew up Circuits Maximus. I don't remember what happened to Stark Entrpirses. Stark Solutions, I think he lost because someone was mindcontrolling him. I think he got it back. And didn't he lose his company again during Avengers Disassembled?
So in retrospect, not all of Starks companies go under by any streach of the imagination, but he does tend to lose them at some point in time. Interestingly enough these are really not his fault. So I was being a little too harsh on Tony there.

[Gorjirus]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/783/783324p1.html

It's not quite a dream sequence Cole. But it is close.

[Cole Deschain]

No, it's exactly what I said it was. A revenge fantasy.

This one just happens to have real "live" (dead, dead, dead!) stand-ins.

[Goji Son]

Comics don't necisarrily need to be "fun". Watchmen wasn't "fun", and it is one of the best comics ever.


Yeah, but writers are walking into dangerous territory when they try to make a serious comic. The comic can end up being taking itself too seriously and pretentious if written poorly. It's hard to take characters seriously when they are dressed in spandex.

Moore is a gifted writer and extremely intellectual at that and Watchmen is considered more like a contemporary piece of literature with pictures than a comicbook. Not saying that its above the artform because of this, but it is respected so highly because is written extremely well. You can forgive a "fun" comic for being mindless pap, but it isn't so when you try to apply something deeper into the story and there aren't very many writers who belong in the pantheon with Moore, Kane, or even Miller.

Anyways, WWH looks pretty interesting.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Previews. Previews. Previews.:D http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/WWH/preview.html

[Goji Son]

Ok, is this the actual dialogue in the comic or has it been altered for secrecy because it's pretty bad.

[Super Angillas]

Didn't Jen learn anything from Civil War? Iron Man hates due process and fair trial. Also too bad that those nanites wern't like the deoderent. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.
Also can anyone give me Cho's background?

[Gorjirus]

I love the fact that she proved his point right then and there.

And he still beat her.

Brains + brawn > brawn.

As for Cho, he just randomly appeared in some spin-off story in Planet Hulk, and whala! Is the 7th smartest person on Earth.

And he's exactly the kinda kid I would punch in the face given the chance.

[Super Angillas]

How did Iron Man's taking a dump on her family and everything that she belives in, and that the American legal system is built on prove his point?

[Gorjirus]

"You would have been proud. I smashed."

How can you not see how that helps prove Iron Man's point?

And, again, if the justice system had its way, Hulk would be .... let's just not get into that again.

[Cole Deschain]

"You would have been proud. I smashed."

How can you not see how that helps prove Iron Man's point?

I can see that if I find out someone I trust has screwed over a member of my family, I'd take a swing a him.

Really, Stark's just feeling cocky.

"I have so many allies I can afford to throw them away."

And, again, if the justice system had its way, Hulk would be .... let's just not get into that again.

Dead, for one. Especially after they retconned in a BUNCH of fatalities.

[Super Angillas]

"You would have been proud. I smashed."

How can you not see how that helps prove Iron Man's point?

And, again, if the justice system had its way, Hulk would be .... let's just not get into that again.
It proves that Iron Man is really really bad at figuring out what pisses people off. Of course Jen was going to hit him. He sent he cousin into space without a trial, and remember she just said that she's devoted much of her life to justice and getting people a trial. And it's not the only time he's done it. Remember all those people Tony threw into the negative zone without trial in CW. I swear it's like Tony thinks, well that he's above the law.

[Zeptron]

So you don't approve of Hulk being exiled--fine. What do you suggest as an alternative? Did you read the Illuminati story in Road To Civil War. Reed & Stark both go over, at length, why they feel The Hulk is too dangerous to be kept on Earth any longer. And Black Bolt & Strange agree with them! The only dissenting voice was Namor, who's his typical arrogant ****head self.

[Cole Deschain]

What do you suggest as an alternative?


Well, for one, NOT foisting YOUR problem onto the rest of the universe.

What would I have done? Waited for him to turn back into Banner. Then shoot him in the face.

But since we're talking about Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, Black Bolt, and Namor?

I would have found someone like Rick Jones to talk Hulk/Banner down, then sent him somewhere nice, in the South PAcific. Find a nice, lush island with no native human population.

The Hulk has shown repeatedly that he's quite happy to be left alone.

If someone bugs him? Their funeral.

[Gorjirus]

Well, for one, NOT foisting YOUR problem onto the rest of the universe.

What would I have done? Waited for him to turn back into Banner. Then shoot him in the face.

But since we're talking about Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, Black Bolt, and Namor?

I would have found someone like Rick Jones to talk Hulk/Banner down, then sent him somewhere nice, in the South PAcific. Find a nice, lush island with no native human population.

The Hulk has shown repeatedly that he's quite happy to be left alone.

If someone bugs him? Their funeral.


So, same solution, different scale?

[Goji Son]

Well, for one, NOT foisting YOUR problem onto the rest of the universe.

What would I have done? Waited for him to turn back into Banner. Then shoot him in the face.

But since we're talking about Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, Black Bolt, and Namor?

I would have found someone like Rick Jones to talk Hulk/Banner down, then sent him somewhere nice, in the South PAcific. Find a nice, lush island with no native human population.

The Hulk has shown repeatedly that he's quite happy to be left alone.

If someone bugs him? Their funeral.

Clone some dinosaurs for him to wrestle with and he'll be in paradise.

[Gorjirus]

You mean some Clinosaurs?

[Burkion]

Oh hush, Gor. It was hardly funny with Clor, now your just over doing it.

[Cole Deschain]

So, same solution, different scale?


Hardly.

You launch him into space, you don;t know WHERE he'll end up. You could simply be sending YOUR problem child atrocity-bringer into the heart of a peaceful alien civilization... thereby angering them, and possibly starting an interstellar war.

You put him on an island?
You can keep very covert tabs on him, and the environment is more under your control. Things are less likely to set him off.

[SuperXAsh]

But I gotta go with Gor here... a bit.

Little too late for that I'm afraid. Ol' Green Genes has aquired quite the list of enemies over the last few decades (years in zany comic time), so he'd be at peace... for a little while. Least till the Abomination or the Leader (where has HE been all this time?) come calling. Then more smashing would ensue.

[Cole Deschain]

On a wee bitty isalnd in the middle of nowhere.

And let us not forget, the Hulk HAS made a lot of enemies.

Some of 'em hang out in space.

[Super Angillas]

So you don't approve of Hulk being exiled--fine. What do you suggest as an alternative? Did you read the Illuminati story in Road To Civil War. Reed & Stark both go over, at length, why they feel The Hulk is too dangerous to be kept on Earth any longer. And Black Bolt & Strange agree with them! The only dissenting voice was Namor, who's his typical arrogant ****head self.
It's not my approveal that was the issue, but She Hulks, and some of that was based on the fact that the Illuminati didn't give her cousin a fair trial in her mind. Personally I think space would have worked okay if the Illuminati had done it a little differently. Part of keeping the Hulk under control would be figuring out what he wants. The army would have had better luck with a small child offering him some of her ice cream than all those tanks. Or rather leaving an trail of ice cream carts out to somewhere Hulk could be left alone. Joe Fixit is one of the easiest Hulks to keep under control. Heck Tony could probably have gotten him to be Pro Reg by offering him money, a nice penthouse apartment, and the occasonal high priced Call Girl. But what Hulk wants now is his happiness back, and the Illumiti cannot give him that. So he'll just take revenge on them. Shooting him into space almost worked out perfectly for all parties. If it weren't for that damn warpcore explosion, I figure that the next the Illumiti woul hear from Hulk would be something like a holgram sent to eath and a message like this.
"Greeting puny Stark and Richards. Hulk assumes you remember how you shot him into space. Well all Hulk has to say about that is... Thank you! Hulk's ship went off course, crashlanded on planet like Conan movies mixed with Star Wars Movie. Hulk lead rebbelion against tyranical king and become new king, ruling with benevolent big green fist. This is Hulks lovely wife, Carrera, and two lovly children, Hulk Jr. and Hulk III. Well Hulk hears puny Badoon trying to invade, so Hulk will go smash. Later!"
Hopfully the Illuminati would'nt then think they have to go save Saakaar from the Hulk.

[Gorjirus]

Another problem with the island, is that I'm not quite so sure that She Hulk or Amadeus would really like that either. Which means that that smug little freak would probably go try and "rescue" Hulk or something stupid like that.

[Super Angillas]

Unless they get there and Hulk is sitting on the beach sipping Pinacoladas, being fanned by buitiful half naked native girls, who have a great attraction to big green guys, and the physisists they turn into.
Anyways Hulk can get off of any island he wants easy. He's crossed the pacific both by litterally Island hoping, and by swimming nonstop.

[Cole Deschain]

Exactly.

Aside from Joe Fixit (and the current "Greyvage" version f the Hulk) they tend to be a bit on the innocent side. Hulk travels when hes attackeds or when he needs something.

And if you've got wha is basically an innocent man who occasionally turns into the world's mightiest three-year-old, really, is keeping him happy such a pain?
I bet the isalnd scheme'd be cheaper than shooting him into space, too.

[Gorjirus]

I don't think it'd be cheaper, becuase it would be a constant thing, for as long as Hulk is alive. Which, taking from what we have seen, could be a very very long time. Space is one and done, instead of a potentially infinite expenditure.

[Cole Deschain]

I don't think it'd be cheaper, becuase it would be a constant thing, for as long as Hulk is alive. Which, taking from what we have seen, could be a very very long time. Space is one and done, instead of a potentially infinite expenditure.

No, space is an entirely uncertain solution.

It's really the most irresponsible thing they could have done, short of doing nothing at all.

They either should have had the nerve to just KILL him (once again, get their minds together, find a way to Bannerize him, and then KILL him), orthey should have done something that involved actually keeping tabs on the problem.

Saying "well, we can;t handle this, so we're goign to send him away and hope that it works out" is NOT a responsible solution.

[Super Angillas]

Sending him into space could have gone much worse. Ten or Fifteen years down the road some panicked alien survior, last of his race, could show up telling earth that the "Green Ravager" is coming and that he's destroyed whole civilizations. Turns out that while in space Hulk absorbed more radiation, became more powerful, and now is utterly insane and berserk. Or he's Galactus new hearald. Think thats nuts? Anyone else here know what happened the first time someone tried to get rid of the Hulk by sending him into space?

[Gorjirus]

He met Rocket Racoon?

[Super Angillas]

Nope. Waaay earlier. I'm a little hazy on the details, so if I got anything wrong feel free to correct me. Back in the early days the Army tried to shoot Hulk into space. It didn't work, but Hulk was exposed to cosmic rays, that served as a catylist for the following.
He turned green.
He got stronger.
It changed the triggers for his transformation from Night to Rage.
He got dumber.
In short in backfired and made Hulk stronger, and more unpredictable.

[Darth Reaper]

Did you read the Illuminati story in Road To Civil War. Reed & Stark both go over, at length, why they feel The Hulk is too dangerous to be kept on Earth any longer.- Zeptron

I had a problem with this story. Reed Richards has invented things that can send him through time, to other dimensions, and even seperate Galactus' human aspect from his cosmic powers, but he can't find a way to cure The Hulk? I just don't buy it. As complex as human genetics are, I would think that messing with a cosmic being is even more complicated.

And, while I'm at it, why hasn't Reed cured cancer or the AIDS virus yet? Once you've effectively turned a cosmic being into a mortal (even if it was only temporary), I would think that this real world stuff would be rather easy.

[Gorjirus]

I had a problem with this story. Reed Richards has invented things that can send him through time, to other dimensions, and even seperate Galactus' human aspect from his cosmic powers, but he can't find a way to cure The Hulk? I just don't buy it. As complex as human genetics are, I would think that messing with a cosmic being is even more complicated.

And, while I'm at it, why hasn't Reed cured cancer or the AIDS virus yet? Once you've effectively turned a cosmic being into a mortal (even if it was only temporary), I would think that this real world stuff would be rather easy.

Same reason that they haven't solved world hunger, and that there are still any diseases. In the mainstream comic-verses, you don't have them going out and solving world problems. That deivates from the base way too much. (Same reason that wars are still fought in MU, you only go so far and there are some things you just don't touch).

[SuperXAsh]

-Now For Something Totally Random-
speaking of Rocket Racoon, the space-faring anthro is set to make a return in the upcoming "Annihilation: Conquest" series. :sly:

[Excelsior]

A question from someone who hasn't read any 616 Marvel for a while...

Why didn't Professor Xavier (whom, I believe, is a member of the Illuminati) psychically settle Hulk's hash?

Funny enough, I'm reminded of Jason X - where they stalled Robo-Jason by walking him through a hologram of the thing he loved best (slaughtering sexy girls). Couldn't Xavier have implanted a permanent psychic fantasy (like the island Cole mentioned)? They could have kept his body stowed someplace, like the Ark of teh Covenant in Raiders?

Or, if this was discussed amongst the Illuminati, why wasn't it implemented?

[Super Angillas]

Due to the fractured nature of Hulk's pcyche, telepathy is an iffy thing at best on him. Even if it works, you may just get one of the personalites. At worst you let out the mindless Hulk, and that is a very bad thing.

[Gorjirus]

Plus, Xavier no longer has his powers.

[Super Angillas]

Yep. And with something like 99% of the telepaths in the Marvel Universe being mutants, and so few of them having their powers anymore, it's going to be hard to find anyone to even try. Remember what happened the last time Iron Man asked Emma Frost for something?

[Excelsior]

All right, then. Why can't Reed invent something to create the same effect? A helmet, a chamber, something along those lines.

[Gorjirus]

Becuase, as much as he could be, they doesn't always use a Reed invention for a dues ex machina. Reed doesn't solve every problem in the world (though he could), because that would be entirely uninteresting.

[Cole Deschain]

Actually, Reed manages to be pretty uninterestng anyway. ;)

[Zeptron]

There's another interesting point Reed (I think it was him) brought up about Banner:


"If he could kill himself, he would have done so long ago."

[Super Angillas]

Not only that, but during the warpcore explosion, as his wife and unborn child turn to ashes in his arms, Hulk is thinking how he wishes for the explosion to kill him, but instead it's just making him stronger.

[Figment]

YAY! Sally Floyd's doomed!

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3449633.html

[Gorjirus]

Covers don't have to dictate what happens inside the comic itself.



And I love how all the people who commented on that just focus on what Sally said, and not the meaning/purpose of what she said.

[Figment]

True, but the cover does offer some wishful thinking...

[Super Angillas]

Covers don't have to dictate what happens inside the comic itself.



And I love how all the people who commented on that just focus on what Sally said, and not the meaning/purpose of what she said.
That the american ideal is now to be fat, lazy and stupid?

[godofPH]

That the american ideal is now to be fat, lazy and stupid?

That doesn't have to be pointed out, just take a look around...

[Cole Deschain]

And I love how all the people who commented on that just focus on what Sally said, and not the meaning/purpose of what she said.

What, that honor and nobility are less important the being up on trends? Please.

[Gorjirus]

What, that honor and nobility are less important the being up on trends? Please.


Trends and the actuality of life are two different things.

[Cole Deschain]

Trends and the actuality of life are two different things.


And Sally was talking about the former, not the latter.

[Mecha74]

Definitely going to be checking this out. Allot of ground and characters are being covered, Hell even Ghost Rider is going to get caught up in this mess! He's scheduled for a one on one with Hulk in two upcoming issues of GR that will be tied into WWH. I mean c'mon, how often does that happen! As cool as GR is let's be honest with ourselves here, when it comes to these big Marvel universe spanning crossovers GR is like the scrawny kid in gym class who always gets picked last or not at all.:laugh:

[Gorjirus]

As Shadow says:

Uh, yum.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=112980

Especially this one:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/WWH/01/WorldWarHulk01pg24.jpg

And I love Spiderman's expression.

[Cole Deschain]

*yawn*

New Hulkbuster Armor.

Who didn;t see this coming?


Looks cool though.

(On an unrelated note- did you knwo that three member of Alpha FLight were issued Hulkbuster gear in a really, really bad story a few years back?)

[godofPH]

(On an unrelated note- did you knwo that three member of Alpha FLight were issued Hulkbuster gear in a really, really bad story a few years back?)

Nobody cares. ;)

[Cole Deschain]

Eh. I bring it up because their HUlkbuster gear, like all HUlkbuster gear, looked cool (well, Sasquatch's didn't) and did NOTHING.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

^But it did do something. It looked cool. Your just splitiing hair here Cole.:sly:

[Zeptron]

No one seems to have commented on the fact that The New & Mighty Avengers are together! Could Hulk's return somehow be the key to reconciliation?


"You're in no position to issue threats, Charlie, especially with your guilty secret. Now sit down & stay down before I think of something funny to do with you."

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

...What the hell did Tony do to that Refridgerator?

[Super Angillas]

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulksmashes.html
Handy cheat sheet of Hulks fights with other superheroes.

[Cole Deschain]

WOW, some of that scoring is bogus.

Iron Man KOed the big green guy.

But it's not counted as a win because it tapped out the armor.

Seems to me like someone's reaching.

[Super Angillas]

Yeah, definate Bias. I count it as a win if someone acheved their main goal, even if they did nearly die as a resualt. On the other hand, several of those fights included multiple individuals besides IM, and the Hulk was still able to win, or hold even.

[Gorjirus]

Who didn;t see this coming?


Nobody.

But it looks so awesome......

(On an unrelated note- did you knwo that three member of Alpha FLight were issued Hulkbuster gear in a really, really bad story a few years back?)

Actually, I did know. Didn't they use them to fight Juggernaut?

WOW, some of that scoring is bogus.

Iron Man KOed the big green guy.

But it's not counted as a win because it tapped out the armor.

Seems to me like someone's reaching.


And he did it with an older version of the suit. We see that Iron Man can beat Hulk, it just isn't usually shown, instead sacrificing that for the "story".

Though, apparently that KO panel is appearing in a new comic as a flashback, because I've seen a really awesome new version of it.

I love new artists versions of the old armor using the present technique's. So pretty....




Also, we know that the last version of the Hulkbuster armor was capable of taking out the New Avengers quite easily (sans Iron Man). How many Hulkbuster (Iron Man) armors are there? Original, Marvel Knights, Argonaut program one, this new one....

[Cole Deschain]

Actually, I did know. Didn't they use them to fight Juggernaut?

Or something. LIke so many Alpha appearances, it was rather badly executed. Think it was in a Wolverine issue or somesuch- anyway.

The mere notion of putting Sasquatch in Hulkbuster gear is laughably stupid.

[bloodyarts]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=112980

Geez, that art is horrible. And so is that armor. John Romita Jr. is a fashion designer. Guys in cool Armani suits, awesome. Guys in costumes and armor, not so awesome. Just think he's not a good fit for Hulk or many other superhero titles. I like his Spider-Man, though.

And is it really necessary for Hulk to still wear the arm guard? I could understand when he was on Sakaar, but on Earth, it just looks superfluous.

As a fan of Black Bolt, I'm cringing at the thought of Hulk besting him in battle, but as it's necessary to forward the story along and show Reed, Tony and co. Hulk means business, guess I'll be crying on the inside.

There aren't many people who can beat the Hulk, but Black Bolt has consistently resided in the win column. If anyone is ever going to overcome the destructive potential of his voice, I suppose it would be Hulk. And dollars to donuts, BB will hold back a little, using only a whisper instead of a fully spoken word or shout, which even an enraged Hulk would be handily subdued.

[Mecha74]

And dollars to donuts, BB will hold back a little, using only a whisper instead of a fully spoken word or shout, which even an enraged Hulk would be handily subdued.


Did you see this from earlier in the thread? Scrolll down all the way to the bottom for the clickable images.

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA_07/Marvel/mondo.html

If you have seen it, then just pretend I didn't post it.:blush:

Sidebar question, I know this is probably gonna sound really stupid, and the obvious answer will probably be cuz Hulk is allot stronger, but why doesn't Tony try using the same nanites he used on Jen on Hulk? Maybe beef them up somehow and use a whole hell of allot more of em?

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

^Actually if you check out this page,http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/WWH/01/WorldWarHulk01pg30.jpg
, it looks like Tony's trying to administer ssaid nanites via that spike to the back of Hulk's neck.

[bloodyarts]

Did you see this from earlier in the thread? Scrolll down all the way to the bottom for the clickable images.


Thanks. Black Bolt pretty much always whispers when he needs his voice to beat his opponent (except one time I remember he YELLED), so I guessed he would do the same here and it looks like I was right. Glad to see Hulk didn't just walk right through it, though. I can see BB being surprised and getting knocked out right after that last panel, so the Hulk victory makes sense, if that's how it goes down.

As for nanite administration, I can't see that working on Hulk, though it was a good strategem on Tony's part. Weaken Hulk with the nanites, then drop a bomb on him. Nice plan, on paper. But in execution...?

[Super Angillas]

Well with the preview pages for WWH Frontline, we got some new stuff for WWH. No Hulk action though. So whos got all that money to throw out for Ben and Sally? I kinda think it could be Tony Stark.

[Zeptron]

Why would he do that? They both hate him! 'Course, Floyd hates everyone she meets 'cause she's President of the Michelle Rodriguez Fan Club.


"Speak up, sunshine! I don't want to miss an iota of your pre-bucket-kicking mental breakdown--and the cosmic gas whistling through your chest cavity is drowning you out!"

[Super Angillas]

Because Tony Starks behavior must be wildly inconsistent in Frontline from anywhere else.

[Gorjirus]

Isn't his behavior wildly incosistant from the three categories of: 1) Frontline; 2) Pro-Reg books, and 3) Anti-Reg books?

You get a different one all 3 times.

[Super Angillas]

Few days late, but Newsarama had a bunch of WWH preview pages. Looks like Hulk does not want any puny human help, at all. I do find Spidey calling Tony "boss" a little odd.

[Gorjirus]

Could be sarcasm/joke.


And that in itself is ironic. ;)

[SuperXAsh]

Well World War Hulk #1 just came out.

Hulk does indeed beat the crap out of Black Bolt, though we don't get to see much of it. He survived Black Bolt's voice at almost point blank range.

The biggest surprise so far is that he's made short work of Tony and his brand-new Hulk Buster-ish Armor. Though I doubt this is the end of Tony Stark's part in this, but it goes to show how pissed the Hulk is. He does indeed look like he's going off the deep end, and almost mad with rage.

OH and IM DID inject Hulk with those nanites, and so far they seem to be doing VERY little to stop him.

I'm gonna look forward to the rest fo this. ^^

[Gorjirus]

Haven't seen it.



*sigh*

Oh well. At least we knew that is what was going to happen.

[Cole Deschain]

Oh, I don;t see ANYBODY really being able to handle the Hulk one on one this time around...

[Neo-Crucifer]

Hmmm, this issue sounds like a wet dream for ol' Burkion here...sorry.

[Zeptron]

That's it?! Hulk just beats up Black Bolt & leaves?! With all the hype surrounding Hulk's all-consuming insanity, I was expecting a Superboy Prime kind of rampage throughout Attilan! Like he rips Gorgon's legs off, feeds Medusa her own hair, splatters BB's head like a cantaloupe, spays Lockjaw the hard way--something like that!


"So this guy walks into a bar & says 'OW!' My humor, it is subtle! Much like this nod to Earth Day!"

[Burkion]

Hehehehehehehehe! *Giggilin like a school girl* Now shove his armor up his drunk flacid bunghole, Hulk! SHOVE IT UP THERE!

[Neo-Crucifer]

That's it?! Hulk just beats up Black Bolt & leaves?! With all the hype surrounding Hulk's all-consuming insanity, I was expecting a Superboy Prime kind of rampage throughout Attilan! Like he rips Gorgon's legs off, feeds Medusa her own hair, splatters BB's head like a cantaloupe, spays Lockjaw the hard way--something like that!



Eh. He just wants to beat the snot out of the Illuminati right now. Besides, I'd surmise Marvel wants to keep him somewhat sympathetic, and not a completely psychotic murderer like SBP.

[Cole Deschain]

That, and come on.

Did you REALLY think they were gonna lay waste to Attilan? Please.

LIke all mega-crossovers, this one's lasting effects are going to be neglible.

[Gorjirus]

Like the fact that Iron Man will still be around, and still be Iron Man.

And come up with another Hulkbuster armor when ever the need inevitably arrives. (Still think he should have used the Argonaut Hulkbuster).

He should have used the Celestial Armor (which, if you can find it, is a really sweet piece of fan art).

[Neo-Crucifer]

He should have used the Celestial Armor (which, if you can find it, is a really sweet piece of fan art).


He should've gotten a nuke. ;)

[Super Angillas]

He should've gotten a nuke. ;)
When? By the time he would have gotten nucular approvel, Hulk would be in NYC. Even desserted you can't Nuke New York.
Even though IM can be a real jerk lately, he still does some cool stuff. That has to be the best orbital defence system ever. Plus he did try to communicate first, in case it was a peaceful group of aliens, with bad timing.

[Burkion]

Besides, a Nuke wouldn't put down the Hulk...

[Gorjirus]

Even though IM can be a real jerk lately, he still does some cool stuff.

Of course it's cool!

That's what Tony does. Cool and women.

[Cole Deschain]

That's what Tony does. Cool and women.

And drink. Can;t forget drink.

Seriously... with all the stress in his life, whatcha wanna bet some hack gives us yet ANOTHER "Tony slips back into the bottle" storyline?

[Gorjirus]

I can only recount once when that happened (when Vortex took over his body). Was there another after that?

[Gorjirus]

Good news people!

Thieves Guild is putting the WWH event up on the site! Which means I can now actually read it and know what's going on! Awesome!

Sad news.... as I write this... the site is down temporarily, which it does sometimes.

[Super Angillas]

Well I figure it'll be worth reading.

You know for me it'll be more satisfying if absolutly nobody was responsible for the ships exploding.

[Gorjirus]

^Exactly.

I don't think anyone was responsible. Hulk just thinks that because he's hurt and angry, and so it is an expected response.

But they wouldn't do it on purpose.




EDIT: After reading WWH #1 and the following Hulk issue and IM tie in...

I know he was destined to loose, but Iron Man was really awesome (and, gasp, had reasoning for his actions!). And that was a good speech.

And I really hate Amadeus Cho. I actually LIKED Namor just because he did something to temporiarily screw with Cho.

[Mecha74]

Well, after reading the first issue I'm officially hooked.

HULK SMASH!

[Super Angillas]

^Exactly.

I don't think anyone was responsible. Hulk just thinks that because he's hurt and angry, and so it is an expected response.

But they wouldn't do it on purpose.




.
Agreed. No member of the Illuminati would ever contemplate blowing up an entire planet worth of innocent biengs, no matter how much of a threat they thought the Hulk was. But they never checked up, and thus had no way of knowing that the ship was going to blow, and kill millions at least. On the other hand considering the way the Hulk has been treated in the past by puny humans, his thinking it was a deliberate attempt to kill him is understandable.
No matter what happens though, the destruction of Saakar should be something that haunts the Illuminati for the rest of their lives.
edit
Reading it now. Sigh, the joys of dial up. But I found Starks speach to be petty and self serving. You need to start admiting to others that you have screwed up Tony. Oh and maybe you should try figuring out why the Hulks so very pissed. Here's a hint, it's not because you launched him into space. I'm wondering when we're going to see Tony deal with the fact her is, however inadvertently, partially responsible for the death of Saakar. You have good intentions Tony, but you have to realize that the reality of what will happen when you enact your plans may end up differing greatly from what you want to happen, and change them accordingly.

[bloodyarts]

I don't think anyone was responsible.

I thought Miek and Brood were responsible. I thought they sabotaged the ship so that Hulk would go into a killing frenzy (which is what Miek wanted) and a direction to focus that anger: Earth.

Why? Well, as we learned in Heroes for Hire #10-11, Miek and Brood have their own plans for Earth, and who better to soften up Earth's best defenses?

Could be wrong. But yeah, I don't think the Illuminati intentionally sabotaged the warp drive as a precautionary measure. They didn't want to murder him, just, as Ben Grimm said, "make him somebody else's problem". Either the core was unstable after the crash or someone on Sakaar sabotaged it.

[Super Angillas]

What's the plan?

[Cole Deschain]

What's ALWAYS the plan with the Brood?

[Neo-Crucifer]

I'm laying down the prediction now: WWH is gonna end with Hulk fighting Miek to the death. They can't keep him on a title if he just goes out and kills the entire Illuminati, so most likely (as bloodyarts suggested) Miek is gonna be outed as the real culprit. And subsequently killed.

[Super Angillas]

I guess on the newsarama forums, theres a thread about how Reed claims their was no warp core in the ship. I'd like to know if that was actually said, as I have my doubts. Still that could be an out.
Hulk "This is all your fault, You and that warp core..."
Reed "I didn't put in a warp core."
Hulk "Then what's this!" Holds up ruined warp core.
Iron Man "Wait, theires something written on it... Made on Skrullos IV?"
Strange "Oh yeah, that's what I was going to tell you. We found out there's a massive skrull infiltrtion going on."
Hulk "Hulk Smash Puny Skrulls!"

[Gorjirus]

But I found Starks speach to be petty and self serving.

How?

Oh and maybe you should try figuring out why the Hulks so very pissed.

How? Asking him?

Iron Man: Hey hulk, why are you so mad?
Hulk: GRAAAAA! HULK SMASH!!!!!!

Yeah, that would have worked.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Know your GAMMA CORPS starting with the team's field leader, Grey. Compliments of Gamma Corps writer, Frank Tieri.http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=117799

[Super Angillas]

How?

In a no matter the consequences of my actions, since I did it for the good of the little people it's allright, so love me way. Not an honest admistion that he royally screwed up, and he prays that no one else will have to pay for his mistakes

How? Asking him?

Iron Man: Hey hulk, why are you so mad?
Hulk: GRAAAAA! HULK SMASH!!!!!!

Yeah, that would have worked.
Namor figured it out within ten seconds of hearing the Hulks transmission. Shouldn't Tony?

[Gorjirus]

In a no matter the consequences of my actions, since I did it for the good of the little people it's allright, so love me way. Not an honest admistion that he royally screwed up, and he prays that no one else will have to pay for his mistakes

Hm. I don't see that as self-serving, I see that as a good reason for doing things.

And he says that he will, and does, take the consequences for his actions, and will take that before anyone else (hence the initial attack with the Hulkbuster).

Did you read the IM #19 as well? It takes place as the same time as WWH #1, and gives more insight into Tony's speech.

Namor figured it out within ten seconds of hearing the Hulks transmission. Shouldn't Tony?

Wait, Namor figured out that Hulk is made that his lover died? That's what Namor managed to infer?

[Super Angillas]

Hm. I don't see that as self-serving, I see that as a good reason for doing things.

And he says that he will, and does, take the consequences for his actions, and will take that before anyone else (hence the initial attack with the Hulkbuster).

Did you read the IM #19 as well? It takes place as the same time as WWH #1, and gives more insight into Tony's speech.
I read Im 19. Doesn't change how I see it. Tony is still convinced that he knows what is best. It's a case of someone who's way up on top who thinkds he knows what's best for everyone, even when he has no idea what their lives are actually like. He can't admit how he's screwed up. He hasn't realized, this will not end with just him. Tony has great power alright, but it's the great power of his govermental posistion, more than anything in the armor.
Well I'm being a little harsh on Tony. But my basic point is that he hasn't realized that no matter how good his intentions are, no matter how pure his goals are, when he uses less savory means, or even just screws up, there are bad consequences. And it sours and courropts whatever he was trying to acomplsh.


Wait, Namor figured out that Hulk is made that his lover died? That's what Namor managed to infer?
It's in the Hulk tie in where Cho is putting together a group to help the Hulk. After Namor see's the Hulks transmission, he has a speach about how this is much worse than he realized, and that before the Hulk would have just been angery enough to smash the Illuminati, but after this he thinks the Hulk could kill the whole planet.
Another intersting thing I heard. Apparently IM missed the part of the speech about all the people on Saakar and Cairea being killed by the explosion. I want to see Tony's reaction to that. I remember his reaction to how his stolen Tech had been used back in the Armor Wars. I'm not saying Tony was responsible for the explosion, but I am saying that it will haunt him.

[Gorjirus]

I read Im 19. Doesn't change how I see it. Tony is still convinced that he knows what is best. It's a case of someone who's way up on top who thinkds he knows what's best for everyone, even when he has no idea what their lives are actually like. He can't admit how he's screwed up. He hasn't realized, this will not end with just him. Tony has great power alright, but it's the great power of his govermental posistion, more than anything in the armor.
Well I'm being a little harsh on Tony. But my basic point is that he hasn't realized that no matter how good his intentions are, no matter how pure his goals are, when he uses less savory means, or even just screws up, there are bad consequences. And it sours and courropts whatever he was trying to acomplsh.



Why is being convinced you know what is best bad? Shouldn't leaders believe that they know what is best?

Or at least, believe that they are making the best decisions available to them?

And he knows that there have been consequences, and that some moves might not have been the wisest, but he does know that he has made the best course of action.

When faced with only bad choices, any of them is going to have consequences. He does know that there are consequences. Where are you getting he doesn't know that from?

It's in the Hulk tie in where Cho is putting together a group to help the Hulk. After Namor see's the Hulks transmission, he has a speach about how this is much worse than he realized, and that before the Hulk would have just been angery enough to smash the Illuminati, but after this he thinks the Hulk could kill the whole planet.
Another intersting thing I heard. Apparently IM missed the part of the speech about all the people on Saakar and Cairea being killed by the explosion.

Going to have to read it again.

EDIT - Okay, so it does. But after reading our convo, where does it come from that Tony doesn't realise that's why Hulk is even more ticked off? Is it because that's what he mentioned? (Just asking since you brought it up).

If becuase that's what he mentioned, then maybe because that's all he is going to admit full responsibility for. The explosion (we agree on) wasn't on purpose. So why would he take solo responsbility for an accident (that was most likely caused by someone else) in a public speech before he gets all the information.

I want to see Tony's reaction to that. I remember his reaction to how his stolen Tech had been used back in the Armor Wars. I'm not saying Tony was responsible for the explosion, but I am saying that it will haunt him.


Of course it will. This entire thing haunts him! Sending Bruce into space in the first place probably haunted him, because Bruce was his friend! The same with Cap. He's human, and he does have feelings for his friends.





But .... ERG! I hate Cho. Not only does he put those SHIELD personel on that helicarrier in danger, not only does he steal a butt load of cash from Angel, but he's a freakin socialist!

And if I saw him, I would shoot that coyote. Every coyote should be shot (well, except maybe a few to prevent extinction, but they could live on the endangered list for all I care). Stupid little kid.

[Zeptron]

Apparently, some upcoming Incredible Hulk titles will have Cho's faith in Jade Jaws being put to the test once he sees what's really going on. Besides, when asked about Earth, Hulk said, "If there are humans, they're Banner's friends."

So if Black Bolt's voice & Stark's Transformers armor couldn't stop him, maybe the only way to make Hulk snap out of it is something on the mental/emotional level that will allow Banner to regain control. Could this be the end of Rick Jones?...


"Go on, Peaches. I won't stop ya--make the bad god be dead."

[Cole Deschain]

I know how to stop HUlk.

It's easy.

Have Sentry crap a new power into existence. :sarcasm:

[godofPH]

I know how to stop HUlk.

It's easy.

Have Sentry crap a new power into existence. :sarcasm:

Doesn't he already have Hulk-pacifying radiation?


Or is Hulk TOO ANGRY for that to work?

[Super Angillas]

Well It looked like that was what Tony and Reed were hoping to use. But Sentry stopped when he got to the door, and then mentioned there was something he wanted to talk to them about. My guess is that's when he heard the Hulks grevences.

[Super Angillas]

Why is being convinced you know what is best bad? Shouldn't leaders believe that they know what is best?

Or at least, believe that they are making the best decisions available to them?

And he knows that there have been consequences, and that some moves might not have been the wisest, but he does know that he has made the best course of action.

When faced with only bad choices, any of them is going to have consequences. He does know that there are consequences. Where are you getting he doesn't know that from?

Well that's not actually wrong. Tony is bieng stuck with bad choices. But he's also bieng incapable of trusting his so called friends when he needs them. Tony is convinced that he's right, and his actions are, no matter what evidence he's getting to the contrary. I have to say that in general your right about that, but I belive that Tony does not realize just how bad the sacrifices made will be until it is too late. And beliveing you know what's best for everyone, all the time is a delusion of grandur. Damn just last night I came across the name for the negative veiwpoint of what Tony is doing.



EDIT - Okay, so it does. But after reading our convo, where does it come from that Tony doesn't realise that's why Hulk is even more ticked off? Is it because that's what he mentioned? (Just asking since you brought it up).

If becuase that's what he mentioned, then maybe because that's all he is going to admit full responsibility for. The explosion (we agree on) wasn't on purpose. So why would he take solo responsbility for an accident (that was most likely caused by someone else) in a public speech before he gets all the information.

As I said this was something in a thread on Newsarama. I wonder if it comes from the fact that when he gives his whole speech about why he launched Hulk into space, he doesn't adress the accusation of killing everyone on Saakar. It does seem like something he'd want to bring up.

Of course it will. This entire thing haunts him! Sending Bruce into space in the first place probably haunted him, because Bruce was his friend! The same with Cap. He's human, and he does have feelings for his friends.

I'm not saying it won't haunt him, I'm just wondering how long before we see Tony's reaction to that.



But .... ERG! I hate Cho. Not only does he put those SHIELD personel on that helicarrier in danger, not only does he steal a butt load of cash from Angel, but he's a freakin socialist!

And if I saw him, I would shoot that coyote. Every coyote should be shot (well, except maybe a few to prevent extinction, but they could live on the endangered list for all I care). Stupid little kid.

I'm fine with Coyote's raccons, possums, and whatnot as long as they stay away from my livestock. When they do go after them, then I'll kill them.
But yeah, I think I'm starting to like Cho even less than I Tony at his worse. He may be even more smug, and a lot more niave.

[Gorjirus]

But he's also bieng incapable of trusting his so called friends when he needs them.

What, he doesn't trust Richards?

His mentor he doesn't trust because he's dead.
He doesn't trust Happy, he's dead.
Shouldn't trust Maya, because she's in league with the Mandarin now.

It's more of he just doesn't have that many friends anymore (which is a sacrifice he was willing to make).

I have to say that in general your right about that, but I belive that Tony does not realize just how bad the sacrifices made will be until it is too late.

I don't know, I think he does.

And beliveing you know what's best for everyone, all the time is a delusion of grandur.

Maybe not best, but what is better at least. Because I think Tony knows that what's best is currently unatainable.

But isn't knowing what's best the job of leaders?

I'm fine with Coyote's raccons, possums, and whatnot as long as they stay away from my livestock. When they do go after them, then I'll kill them.
But yeah, I think I'm starting to like Cho even less than I Tony at his worse. He may be even more smug, and a lot more niave.


Ugh. If I see coons or possums, we try to kill them, as they are destructive little critters.

But coyotes are just mean, dangerous, and are dangerous to livestock.

I still think it'd be funny that when he's holding it in his shirt (which is seemingly ALL THE TIME), it just reaches up and bites his throat.

I mean, people talk about Tony being "manipulative"? Cho just flat out tricked Angel and Herc into attacking SHIELD and joining his cause. And when faced with the fact he stole more than a few country's GDP, he acts likes it okay ("because Angel didn't earn it"). Which somehow means that stealing people's inheritances is okay.

[Super Angillas]

I gotta admit that Tony has been portrayed more positivly in WWH than CW. I kinda think that maybe the thing Sentry wanted to tell Tony and Reed was to try and clean up there mess and fight there own battles, while he'll be keeping watch to make sure civilians don't get hurt.
Cho is definetly supposed to be the angry young anti-establisment genius. That's understandable considering a rouge goverment faction killed his family and apparently wants to dissect him. He just latched onto the first person to save him. If IM had swooped down on these guys outside the diner instead of Hulk, Cho'd be polishing Tony's armor for him right now. Then again considering the methods Tony and Reed have adopted towards him, it's no surprise that he doesn't trust them.

Edit-
Oh yeah, it seems in Hulk #100, after finding out that the Hulk isn't on the planet he was supposed to be Cho asks Reed if the shuttle had a warp core. Reed says "No. Let be check some calculations." Odd. Very odd.

[Cole Deschain]

Bleh. Haven't picked these up yet- but Cho might be JUST what Tony needs to no longer be the whipping boy of the fanbase.

Snde little punk.

[Gorjirus]

Then again considering the methods Tony and Reed have adopted towards him, it's no surprise that he doesn't trust them.


What "methods"?

In the conversation Reed is having with Tony, Tony is pretty much going "Cho? Some little kid genius? WTF?". Reed is just playing some mind game of "I know you know I want you to know that I know you know I'm watching you."

Oh yeah, it seems in Hulk #100, after finding out that the Hulk isn't on the planet he was supposed to be Cho asks Reed if the shuttle had a warp core. Reed says "No. Let be check some calculations." Odd. Very odd.


See? Stupid Hulk....

[Super Angillas]

What "methods"?

In the conversation Reed is having with Tony, Tony is pretty much going "Cho? Some little kid genius? WTF?". Reed is just playing some mind game of "I know you know I want you to know that I know you know I'm watching you."

The have Samson break him emotionally with his psychologist skills, and send a bunch of armed SHIELD agents after him when he's already convinced that the goverment want's to cut out his brian methods.

See? Stupid Hulk....
UMM... WHAT? How does the Hulk breaking a warp core that isn't even supposed to be there make him dumb? Well I know how breaking the warp core makes him dumb, I'm talking about the fact that there is not supposed to be a warp core. But something the ship called a warp core went off. that doesn't strike you as bieng strange? Shouldn't Reed have known there was a warp core on the ship? So why did he say "No" to Cho?

[Gorjirus]

The have Samson break him emotionally with his psychologist skills, and send a bunch of armed SHIELD agents after him when he's already convinced that the goverment want's to cut out his brian methods.


What? Having Samson "break him emotionally"? I remember Samson doing a thundercap, then She-Hulk punching him into the next county.

And how else are you going to catch a wanted fugitive? Send unarmed SHIELD agents?

UMM... WHAT? How does the Hulk breaking a warp core that isn't even supposed to be there make him dumb? Well I know how breaking the warp core makes him dumb, I'm talking about the fact that there is not supposed to be a warp core. But something the ship called a warp core went off. that doesn't strike you as bieng strange? Shouldn't Reed have known there was a warp core on the ship? So why did he say "No" to Cho?


It's even been said in this thread: Miek and the Brood. They were tampering in the craft, give something to the computer to make it say that (since it is a computer), and then BOOM, explosion.

Hulk, being the Hulk, immediatly assumes that they were trying to kill him and the planet he was on purposefully. Instead trying to find out all the facts before he starts to go on a potential deadly rampage.

(And does he not pay attention to what else goes on in the world at all? Trusting a Brood?)

[Super Angillas]

It's been debated wether or not Miek and Brood had the brains to make a warp core blow. Now you expect me to belive that instead they built a bomb that worked as a fake warp core?
Besides I'd like to finnally find a second time where insectoid aliens aren't all inherently evil.

[bloodyarts]

I don't know that Miek and Brood actually BUILT a bomb, but I speculated they tampered with the ship to make it blow. Neither one of those races have any love of humanoids.

I read on CBR that it was some sweet insect lovemaking that triggered the core reaction...

[Cole Deschain]

To be fair, the Brood WERE a starfaring race in their own right..

Oh, and Super Angilas? Yeah, the Brood are kind of "evil" by definiation, since when they aren;t EATING YOU, they're laying eggs in your body.

[Gorjirus]

Now you expect me to belive that instead they built a bomb that worked as a fake warp core?

No, not "work", simple disguise or fake out the computer into thinking it was one.

[SuperXAsh]

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Miek and the Brood alien had a hand in what occurred, but I doubt they rigged the damn thing to explode like it did.

And yes Miek and the Brood Alien were in the middle of making "sweet alien insectoid love" before they stumbled upon the remains of the Hulk's ship.

What I'M looking forward to, right now, is seeing Rick Jones make his appearance in this. Should prove interesting.

[Super Angillas]

I don't know that Miek and Brood actually BUILT a bomb, but I speculated they tampered with the ship to make it blow. Neither one of those races have any love of humanoids.

I read on CBR that it was some sweet insect lovemaking that triggered the core reaction...
Yes, but if there was no warpcore, then what could they have tapered with to make an explosion that big? Hulk threw that thing pretty far before it blew. I doubt even a nuke would have had an explosion that reached that far.
And Cole, I know the Brood are a starfaring race, but look at there preffered choice of ships. Living creatures that can travel unaided in space by themselves. I just want to know what the heck caused that massive explosion if it wasn't a warpcore.

[Gorjirus]

And Cole, I know the Brood are a starfaring race, but look at there preffered choice of ships. Living creatures that can travel unaided in space by themselves. I just want to know what the heck caused that massive explosion if it wasn't a warpcore.

Bomb.

Space faring races, as a rule, have better bombs than we do.

[Super Angillas]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If it was Miek and Brood, they are going to look like something of a windshield when Hulk finds out.

Here's something I wondered. While the Hulk is a very destructive force, would sending him away cost more lives than it saved? There was a story (I belive it was Incredible Hulk 300) where Hulk confronts the spy who was really responsible for the Hulk's creation. In the end the spy goes insane trying to figure out if he is damned from all the harm Hulk has done, or saved from all the good Hulk has done. Let us not forget the Hulk has saved the MU from a lot of things that are worse than him over the years. An old issue of Avengers for example, had this happen. When the Avengers round up all the reserves to save Hercules and the Olypian pantheon from Aries, Hulk also recives the call and goes along. When the Avengers get to Olympus Hulk wanders off, and goes to sleep in a medow. Later Aries army comes through to get to the portal and attack earth. They wake up Hulk who, of course smashes. If Hulk hadn't been there, the army would have gotten to earth, and caused death and destruction. While saving people was not the Hulk's intention, it did resualt from his actions.

[bloodyarts]

So... about those X-Men...
the kids, I mean... lol @ Rockslide.

Y'know, I'm really getting tired of street-level brawlers like Wolverine and now, X-23 (the worst character Marvel currently has) slashing away at Hulk like he's made of wet Charmin.

Remember the days when this guy used to bounce ROCKETS off his chest? Swat high-speed missiles away with impunity? People praise Peter David to high heaven for his Hulk run, but I hate what he did. In order to make Wolverine a credible threat, he takes away the nigh-invulnerability and give him cliche super-healing. Like someone like the HULK really needed that.

Sure, it makes Hulk more succeptible to injury, which adds drama to fights, but clowns like Wolverine and especially X-23 should not possess the necessary strength to pierce the Hulk's skin, even with adamantium claws, but now thanks to PAD, any thug with a swiss-army knife can cut him. Of course, the wound will heal so fast, it'll be as if it never happened, but that's beside the point.

Super regen is such an overrused, lazy crutch that I'm really getting tired of it. We have people that regenerate from a single drop of blood... where's the drama in that? I don't mind having villains (or heroes) powerful enough to damage the Hulk, but make it plausible. Wolverine and X-23? No. Unless they're going for the eyes, ears or nose, I just don't see how they can be effective against him.

I mean, there's a certain implication that goes along with being called The Hulk. Having street levelers like Wolverine and Ecchs-23 ripping away at him all the time doesn't make a fight more dramatic, just more prosaic.

[Super Angillas]

I remember in Wolverines first apperence he couldn't break the Hulks skin. Still hurt the Hulk somehow. Oh well. Oh and Hulk was sooo Holding back on the New X-Men. Otherwise there'd be two X-23's right now. I'm personally waiting for Wolverdog.
I did like it in general. In particular the part where Xaivier goes into Hulks mind. Lets see, violont fighting, triumph, Marrege, a kid on the the way, so whys he all pissed off? Oh.

[Cole Deschain]

X-23's just a beneficiary of Wolverine's "I'msokewl" field.

Bleh.

I miss my invulnerable Hulk....

[Super Angillas]

Realistictly, Hulk would have thrown Wolvie into orbit after he realized that Wolvie is difficult to smash because of the adamantium bones, and healing factor.
Also X-23 (that's really the best name they could come up with for her?) did get his eyes, witch are a bit more vunerable. Other than the problems with the clawed ones bieng able to hurt him, this was still pretty good in my opinion. I'm waiting on the fights with Colossus and Juggernaugt. Oh and of course for what Charles answer would be.

[Super Angillas]

Well the second batch is out. Spoilers folks.




Hulk continues to show that he is the STRONGEST ONE OF ALL! Proffesor X shows himself to be honest to a fault, and Hulk beats the X-Men. Hulk uses his brain a bit to take out Wolverine, and Juggernaut gets owned, although as Hulk mentions Jugs seems weaker than Hulk remembers. Looks like Cytorak punked Jugs. Hopefully we'll get to see a full power Juggernaut/Hulk throwdown in the third part. In the WWH mini itself, Hulk and his warbound take on everything thrown at them. The avengers get pulped after She Hulks attempt to talk him down fails. In an interview at Newsarama, Greg Pak reiterates that as far as the Hulks concerned, the war was started by the Illuminati blowing up Saakar. So as far as he's concerned the first blow was struck, and was horrific in it's consequences. The FF don't fare much better, as Hulk does not fall for the fake Sentry, and his mary sue glow does nothing. There's a very nice sequence between Hulk and the Invisible Woman, where he asks her that if someone killed her husband and children, would she ever stop? and when she says he was never a monster, he agrees, but call Reed one. Oh and way to go Dr. Strange. Now Hulks going to think Rick Jones has betrayed him. Now theres no one left on earth Hulk will listen to. Also the person I consider the Hulks true nemisis makes a return. As for frontline issue, why does it seem like everything Sally Floyd does pisses me off?

[Zeptron]

I wanted to go on a Hulk rampage myself when Strange refused to kill him (even though he could very easily). The BS Maximum Garbage morality continues...

And I ain't readin' anything with Floyd unless it's her getting the Audition treatment.


"Yum, yum. Dim sum. Chinese food made from real Chinese--all of them. I guess someone should have yelled, 'Peking...Duck!'"

[Gorjirus]

Also, we find out in Initiative #4, that the reason the darts didn't work, was because they were empty.

So, point to Iron Man. They would have worked.

[Super Angillas]

Refresh my memory. The darts that they tried to use on Spidey, or the one Stark tried on Hulk?

[bloodyarts]

Refresh my memory. The darts that they tried to use on Spidey, or the one Stark tried on Hulk?

The one Iron Man tried on Hulk was a fake, the real one stolen by blackmailed Initiative recruit, Hardball.

Hardball only stole one S.P.I.N. vial, so the others should still work. But what the hell were S.H.I.E.L.D. doing with MVP's body?

And how many MVP's are there??

[Gorjirus]

But the thing was designed to where it would take all the vials to work, I believe.

On the MVP subject, I'd guess 2, and the one that died is a clone.

[Zeptron]

A clone? Nah, more likely a Skrull. Heck, maybe Hulk himself is a Skrull!


"Come on, Bat-brain, I was a kid when I killed your parents! I mean, I say I made you, you gotta say you made me! How childish can you get?"

[Mecha74]

Just got done reading WWH#3

*SPOILERS*


































Now don't get me wrong, the mere idea of Ross being placed in charge of all military force and action in the U.S. by the President and then proceeding to shoot the Hulk full of holes with adamantium shells from Choppers and ground troops is kick### as all get out.

But I gotta ask....

How did a metal that is supposed to be ridiculously rare suddenly become, well...not. It seems like it is turning up everywhere all of a sudden and everyone seemingly has massive quanities of it. Did something change that I missed or is this just another crazy lack of continuity on Marvel's part?

[SuperXAsh]

I'm pretty sure they were using Secondary Adamantium, which is much more easier/cost effective to make and displays alotta properties of True Adamantium.

True Adamantium is VERY hard to come by and VERY expensive to make.

[Mecha74]

I'm pretty sure they were using Secondary Adamantium, which is much more easier/cost effective to make and displays alotta properties of True Adamantium.

True Adamantium is VERY hard to come by and VERY expensive to make.

Ah, I see. I had no idea there was another kind of Adamantium.