Mechagodzilla 74 & Titanosaurus vs HkG & king ceaser

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Team 1: Mechagodzilla 74 & Titanosaurus
Team 2: Hesei King ghidorah & showa King ceaser

Rules: All showa fighters have been scaled to Heisei scale. MG 74=120 meters, Titano = 120 meters and King ceaser = 80 meters.

Let the fight begin.

[Orga777]

Lets see. Showa Seesar took on MG before and has been shown to take the attacks fine. Heisei King Ghidorah has great hth combat and will crush MG like the soda can he is. Not that he has any attack that will even regester on Ghidorah anyway. Now on the other hand Titanosaurus is a beast. He will beat Seeasar like a drum. Ghidorah though brought down Heisei Godzilla who has shown to be more powerful than Titano has. He should be able to take him.

Winners: Heisei King Ghidorah and Showa Seesar

[GodzillaXBagan]

I think HKG and SKS would defeat MG74 and TS easily because of KG's gravity beams and KS's reflecting ability.

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I think HKG and SKS would defeat MG74 and TS easily because of KG's gravity beams and KS's reflecting ability.


Actually, I had something else in mind.

HKG has bad aim and his beams were crappy. How much stronger do you think they could be when compared to a 120 meter G74's beam?
MG 74 was very quick in dodging beams he had expected. When ceaser reflected his beam, he lowered his head and dodged it. When godzilla arose from the shore and confronted mg, Mg aimed his hand for shooting the missles but godzilla shot his beam very fast to counter it. Did you see how fast MG blasted off from the ground to dodge that.

With the combination of HKG's pathetic aims with crappy beams and Mg's great dodging abilities I don't see how ghidorah is going to inflict much damage to MG via the gravity beams. Plus MG has that shield he could use if HKG decides to become a beam spammer we know it as. We know, MG has complete control over it and can turn it off whenever he needs to. Now we look at what long range attacks MG offers. First of all Mg posses accurate aims, good durability and deadly weapons that are now much more effective because of the increase in size for this matchup. HKG can't possibly evade those. Not by a long shot. G74 was able to dodge some of the beams fired at him because he is a fast and quick fighter. If you remember in the first battle, Mg missed one beam shot at godzilla. It was because G74 quickly backed his torso off when MG charged his beam. Despite that, you could hear G74 even give out a shriek because of how near the beam was to hit him.
Now Mg's salvo was something else. With unlimited ammo for such deadly weapons, this attack not only puts in the enemy in panic mode but also make em dance as well. Did anyone see how G74 and Ceaser were constantly falling on each other while bouncing off the beams. If king ghidorah is going to stand there without knowing whats about to hit him, He is going to get several beams and missles stuffed inside his golden ***. If ghidorah somehow gets knocked down by any force from MG's weapons he is going to be pinned to the floor with lasers and rockets raining down on him. He does not have regeneration to heal those wounds nor does he have a magnetic ability to screw MG. Heisei Godzilla's beam is no doubt more powerful than this MG's eye beam but by the new scaleup for this match I don't see MG's beam lacking behind much. It took 2 short bursts of G91's beam to bring ghidorah to his wing defense posture and a shorter burst to aggrevate into kicking him. MG might need to shoot 4-6 beams but nothing more than that to critically wound Ghidorah. Also, his missles and chest beam will probably get the job done faster. So MG has wins the long range war with HKG.

For melee. Well If ghidorah even manages to knock down Mg, we know that Mg would get up instantly. We also know that this place does not have a large ditch into which either Titano or Mg could fall into. There is very little chance of Mg getting stomped in this match so if HKG does get to stomp on someone, it would probably be the slightly slower Titano but I doubt that as well. Infact I'am getting an image of Titano stomping on HKG if HKG gets knocked down near him. HKG's only way of damaging MG 74 or Titano is by choking them by his neck. Titano may fall to that but MG won't. He is a robot, so he does not need to breath thereby he could unload his weapons on HKG at point blank range if such a situation arises.

MG can also cripple HKG with his strong kicks and stabbing fingers.

The only threat I see MG facing in this fight is Ceaser's eye reflectors, which are most likely to reflect and hit Mg by his own beam Once or twice but not more than that as depicted in the movie. MG is not stupid, he would anticipate the attack if he gets hit by it.

Now as for where Titano is concerned

We all have forgotten about his Wind by tail attack. We already saw the power behind it in TOMG but can you imagine how much force it would give out by the current scale up for this match. Its bound to push HKG and Ceaser away. His melee is pretty decent too so I can see him stomping on HKG or ceaser, but he really does not have any long range attacks other than his windy tail. His hide is pretty good as it took some shots of G75's beam to punch a hole in his chest and sent him hurling down the cliff. Even than I still think he was alive. He can keep Ceaser and HKG at bay and level them with his tail while Mg blows either of them apart.

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HKG has bad aim and his beams were crappy.

His aim is NOT that bad actually. I still don't get how you can say this. And they definitly aren't crappy. And they are better than Showa Goji's horrid beam anyway and that beam made MG spark like all hell. And you want to talk bad aim Showa MG takes the cake. He couldn't even hit a downed Showa Godzilla or downed Seesar with his beams. And even when he did they did jack.

How much stronger do you think they could be when compared to a 120 meter G74's beam?

Many leagues better. Showa Goji's beam was horridly weak.

MG 74 was very quick in dodging beams he had expected. When ceaser reflected his beam, he lowered his head and dodged it. When godzilla arose from the shore and confronted mg, Mg aimed his hand for shooting the missles but godzilla shot his beam very fast to counter it. Did you see how fast MG blasted off from the ground to dodge that.

It will be hard to dodge Ghidorah's beams though. One he has three of them and they are unpredicatable in where they are going. Not to mention he shoots off a hole bunch. MG has no way to defend against that.

With the combination of HKG's pathetic aims with crappy beams and Mg's great dodging abilities I don't see how ghidorah is going to inflict much damage to MG via the gravity beams. Plus MG has that shield he could use if HKG decides to become a beam spammer we know it as.

How can the beams be crappy if they halted and made Heisei Godzilla roar in pain? Anyway the sheild is useless here and every fight. For one he doesn't move at all when he activates it. Two the sheild leaves him open for an arieal attack and since KG can fly he is going to have a feild day with open shots.

Now Mg's salvo was something else. With unlimited ammo for such deadly weapons, this attack not only puts in the enemy in panic mode but also make em dance as well.

It will be hard to be in panic mode when half the attacks either miss or don't even effect the combatants in any way.

Did anyone see how G74 and Ceaser were constantly falling on each other while bouncing off the beams.

Actually the attacks were, for the most part during the all out assault hitting around them. at least 80% of the attacks missed their mark. They were falling all over because the attacks were hitting around their feet. Now Ghidorah can FLY so he won't have the same problem.


Heisei Godzilla's beam is no doubt more powerful than this MG's eye beam but by the new scaleup for this match I don't see MG's beam lacking behind much. It took 2 short bursts of G91's beam to bring ghidorah to his wing defense posture and a shorter burst to aggrevate into kicking him. MG might need to shoot 4-6 beams but nothing more than that to critically wound Ghidorah. Also, his missles and chest beam will probably get the job done faster. So MG has wins the long range war with HKG.


LOL! The beams could barely hurt Showa Goji or Showa Seesar. They are not going to hurt a kaiju that has Heisei level durability. The beams aren't going to pack enough punch to them to critically wound KG like you think they will. They have never shown that power.

For melee. Well If ghidorah even manages to knock down Mg, we know that Mg would get up instantly.

LMAO! Please. Getting tossed by Goji or Seesar is one thing. Getting slammed by something that weighs a hole lot more and is as large as KG is a hole nother story. Ghidorah will rip the Pepsi Can Armored mech to peices if he gets close.


We also know that this place does not have a large ditch into which either Titano or Mg could fall into. There is very little chance of Mg getting stomped in this match so if HKG does get to stomp on someone, it would probably be the slightly slower Titano but I doubt that as well. Infact I'am getting an image of Titano stomping on HKG if HKG gets knocked down near him. HKG's only way of damaging MG 74 or Titano is by choking them by his neck. Titano may fall to that but MG won't. He is a robot, so he does not need to breath thereby he could unload his weapons on HKG at point blank range if such a situation arises.



....You really underestimate Ghidorah. You are about three years too late where everyone used to think Heisei Ghids as the weakest. Please. Showa MG has NOTHING that will damage Ghidorah like you say he will. He could barely hurt Showa Seesar. What makes you think he can hurt Ghidorah?

MG can also cripple HKG with his strong kicks and stabbing fingers.

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We all have forgotten about his Wind by tail attack. We already saw the power behind it in TOMG but can you imagine how much force it would give out by the current scale up for this match. Its bound to push HKG and Ceaser away. His melee is pretty decent too so I can see him stomping on HKG or ceaser, but he really does not have any long range attacks other than his windy tail. His hide is pretty good as it took some shots of G75's beam to punch a hole in his chest and sent him hurling down the cliff. Even than I still think he was alive. He can keep Ceaser and HKG at bay and level them with his tail while Mg blows either of them apart.

Ghidorah is too large to be blown back by the winds. And he will most likely kill Titano by then anyway. And Titano may be a Showa powerhouse, but he can't mess with any kaiju from the Heisei era. Especially not Ghidorah.

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His aim is NOT that bad actually. I still don't get how you can say this. And they definitly aren't crappy.

We have already discussed this before. KG's beams are no good.

And they are better than Showa Goji's horrid beam anyway and that beam made MG spark like all hell.

Yes the last time I used the term "sparks" over MKG, you starting whining that it happens everytime a mech is hit. Get over it, MG is a mech. Sparks don't mean nothing. Show me some damage. I have been lately reading the past DD matches with MG involved and learned of how people had decieved its armor of recieving dents when it did'nt.


And you want to talk bad aim Showa MG takes the cake. He couldn't even hit a downed Showa Godzilla or downed Seesar with his beams. And even when he did they did jack.


Showa godzilla is was a fast competitor. He was not a large target either. If you remember in the first battle, Mg missed one beam shot at godzilla. It was because G74 quickly backed his torso off when MG charged his beam. Despite that, you could hear G74 even give out a shriek because of how near the beam was to hit him.
That was the only beam that missed apart from the salvo attack.

and they sure did jack. You are the only one who thinks not, despite the damage it did to godzilla. The only one with crappy beams is King ghidorah here.


How can the beams be crappy if they halted and made Heisei Godzilla roar in pain?
Anyway the sheild is useless here and every fight.


So whats your point. Every beam that hits Heisei godzilla makes him roar in pain. with I would also like to bring up space godzilla's corona beam. Godzilla did not roar in pain when it hit him the first time yet we all know it did a hell lot more damage the combination of all three beams.

You want to actually bring up something that backs that claim up?

And Halted?

he was not going anywhere bub.



Anyway the sheild is useless here and every fight.
For one he doesn't move at all when he activates it. Two the sheild leaves him open for an arieal attack and since KG can fly he is going to have a feild day with open shots.


Thats what you think. He has control over his shield to save him from incoming attacks such as melee and beam attacks. When godzilla shot his beam, Mg activated his shield and made it last till after godzilla touched it. Than it suddenly dissappeared and Mg started his salvo. I know he has complete control over. Oh and I would like to clear the idea of Mg doesn't move at all when the shield is activated. I happen to notice mg slightly budging at that scene. We have no evidence that Mg turns off when that happens but I'am going to assume he does not.

Many leagues better. Showa Goji's beam was horridly weak.

Apperently I'am shocked. I don't know about the people here, but I'am shocked.
Neither the scale nor the real power of the beam mean anything to you does it?

It will be hard to dodge Ghidorah's beams though. One he has three of them and they are unpredicatable in where they are going. Not to mention he shoots off a hole bunch. MG has no way to defend against that.

This one already self contradicts itself bub. 18 shots out of 38 hit the target. Mg has his shield, his quick dodge abilities and his counter attacks to defend against it. He is also not a slow, large and lumbering monster that G91 was.

It will be hard to be in panic mode when half the attacks either miss or don't even effect the combatants in any way.

PLEASE...

I kindly request a need for a third person in this topic. I'll be glad to post photos if someone wants to volenteer, But please I want someone who is not dishonest and is willing to put up a debate.

Actually the attacks were, for the most part during the all out assault hitting around them. at least 80% of the attacks missed their mark. They were falling all over because the attacks were hitting around their feet. Now Ghidorah can FLY so he won't have the same problem.

IF I did not have trouble posting a video, I would gladly post it here with an explaination of how they were effective but despite that I really don't think its necassary. Its not a direct attack.

LOL! The beams could barely hurt Showa Goji or Showa Seesar. They are not going to hurt a kaiju that has Heisei level durability. The beams aren't going to pack enough punch to them to critically wound KG like you think they will. They have never shown that power.

Yeah, like you have proof over that. Care to show something to backthat up. Maybe a photo?

LMAO! Please. Getting tossed by Goji or Seesar is one thing. Getting slammed by something that weighs a hole lot more and is as large as KG is a hole nother story. Ghidorah will rip the Pepsi Can Armored mech to peices if he gets close.

Your beloved solidified pee dragon does not possess the ability to rip anything upclose. Apart from his bites and neck chocking, he really can't do much. No head butting or anysort of blow attacks. Do I really need to write a story over it when everyone can see that in the movie. HAS ANYONE SEEN GHIDORAH DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BITING AND CHOCKING IS WELCOME TO THROW A BRICK MY WAY.


...You really underestimate Ghidorah. You are about three years too late where everyone used to think Heisei Ghids as the weakest. Please. Showa MG has NOTHING that will damage Ghidorah like you say he will. He could barely hurt Showa Seesar. What makes you think he can hurt Ghidorah?

Look whose talking.

Listen,

We are running this debate to our likings,

This is the truth. Everyone can see it. I will gladly prove this forum that HKG is not as impressive as they see it as.. He definetly is not a top tier kaiju. MG 74 while not being that high on top, is still in the upper portion of the list. Infact anything godzilla is up on the list.

We would debate to what we want. The only difference is that you are giving out less material for people to work with while I already provided my bulk in my previous topic. Sadly the evidence you provided with the vidoes could have really been useful but as you know, I can't access them.

As for king ceaser. Well Mg had almost got ceaser killed if godzilla had not arised out of the sea. Than MG's attention went to Godzilla and thats why ceaser got less screen time and hence did not appear shattered after a break. Mg's weapons are going to injure Heisei ghidorah because of the scaleup of size and the general power of the weapons as we see them. plus heisei ghidorah's hide is really something to laugh at.

Ghidorah is too large to be blown back by the winds. And he will most likely kill Titano by then anyway. And Titano may be a Showa powerhouse, but he can't mess with any kaiju from the Heisei era. Especially not Ghidorah.

Ghidorah is good, but not that good. For instance, he can beat his showa counter part and mothra of the Heisei series. He can beat his Millennium counter part as well and many other monsters from that era such as baragon, mothra and perhaps megaguiras but Showa powerhouses such as Hedorah, Mechagodzilla, godzilla and Titanosaurus can kill it provided they are scaled to the size required. HKG is also not heavy enough to stay put while his wings make it easy for the wind to push him.

[Orga777]

We have already discussed this before. KG's beams are no good.

How about this. Look at the way they destroy the buildings. They, as Ang55 pointed out in the DD earlier this year completely shattered the buildings much easier than even GKG's has. And those beams ripped freaking Rainbow Mothra a new one. How are they useless?

Yes the last time I used the term "sparks" over MKG, you starting whining that it happens everytime a mech is hit. Get over it, MG is a mech. Sparks don't mean nothing. Show me some damage. I have been lately reading the past DD matches with MG involved and learned of how people had decieved its armor of recieving dents when it did'nt.

Eh. I will give you that. Except for the fact unlike Showa MG MKG did not recoil after getting hit by the beams.


Showa godzilla is was a fast competitor. He was not a large target either. If you remember in the first battle, Mg missed one beam shot at godzilla. It was because G74 quickly backed his torso off when MG charged his beam. Despite that, you could hear G74 even give out a shriek because of how near the beam was to hit him.
That was the only beam that missed apart from the salvo attack.


When they first fought, after he fell down in the fight, MG shot his eye lasers at Goji, who was on the ground, and missed. That is called bad aim.

and they sure did jack. You are the only one who thinks not, despite the damage it did to godzilla. The only one with crappy beams is King ghidorah here.

It took three eye lasers in the same exact spot to make him bleed near the end of the movie. And it isn't like Showa Goji is the king of durability like Heisei Goji is.

So whats your point. Every beam that hits Heisei godzilla makes him roar in pain. with I would also like to bring up space godzilla's corona beam. Godzilla did not roar in pain when it hit him the first time yet we all know it did a hell lot more damage the combination of all three beams.

Well the Corona beam blew chunks out of Goji's shoulder the first time actually... Heisei Ghids is not that powerful, but compared to the other kaiju he faced in the stacked Heisei era except for MG no kaiju even came CLOSE to killing Goji like Ghidorah did.

Thats what you think. He has control over his shield to save him from incoming attacks such as melee and beam attacks. When godzilla shot his beam, Mg activated his shield and made it last till after godzilla touched it.

What are you talking about? Yea he can put it up all he wants, but he doesn't do anything while in it and it is STILL open at the top. So what the hell is your point?

Than it suddenly dissappeared and Mg started his salvo. I know he has complete control over. Oh and I would like to clear the idea of Mg doesn't move at all when the shield is activated. I happen to notice mg slightly budging at that scene. We have no evidence that Mg turns off when that happens but I'am going to assume he does not.

No, he was not moving at all. Look at the damn eyes. He was practically turned off when the shield is up.


Apperently I'am shocked. I don't know about the people here, but I'am shocked.
Neither the scale nor the real power of the beam mean anything to you does it?


Never has Showa Goji's beam ever done any harm to any kaiju out there. Didn't hurt Mothra, or Rodan. Didn't hurt Ghidorah or Hedorah. Hell it didn't even hurt Gigan or Megalon! None of these kaiju were ever damaged by the beam in the slightest.

This one already self contradicts itself bub. 18 shots out of 38 hit the target. Mg has his shield, his quick dodge abilities and his counter attacks to defend against it. He is also not a slow, large and lumbering monster that G91 was.

Wrong. Heisei KG shot a hole lot more than 38 shots. And more than 18 hit.


I kindly request a need for a third person in this topic. I'll be glad to post photos if someone wants to volenteer, But please I want someone who is not dishonest and is willing to put up a debate.


I will put up a video if I can find one... But then you will just say you can't view it.:sarcasm: Oh, and the feeling is mutual on the dishonest and willing to put up a debate part.

Yeah, like you have proof over that. Care to show something to backthat up. Maybe a photo?

Every time I post a video you always say you can't view it so. But even a direct head shot that hit Seesar did not leave any damage on him. Hell, Seesar did not recieve any damage through the hole entire fight against MG.

Your beloved solidified pee dragon does not possess the ability to rip anything upclose. Apart from his bites and neck chocking, he really can't do much. No head butting or anysort of blow attacks. Do I really need to write a story over it when everyone can see that in the movie. HAS ANYONE SEEN GHIDORAH DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BITING AND CHOCKING IS WELCOME TO THROW A BRICK MY WAY.

.... It was a figure of speech. What it means is he will totally trounce Shwoa MG in hth combat. One move where he comes in and bashes him to the ground and not soon after MG gets stomped on and it end right there.

This is the truth. Everyone can see it. I will gladly prove this forum that HKG is not as impressive as they see it as.. He definetly is not a top tier kaiju. MG 74 while not being that high on top, is still in the upper portion of the list. Infact anything godzilla is up on the list.

Showa MG is the most overrated pile of machinery in the entire kaiju fandom. It has no durability at all. Its aim is lackluster. And the beams are, while pretty good, are not as impressive as everyone makes them out to be. When people start saying MOGUERA would lose to Showa MG that kinda proves my point. MG is in the middle of the pack. So is KG, but KG is top mid-teir to just mid-teir that MG is in.

We would debate to what we want. The only difference is that you are giving out less material for people to work with while I already provided my bulk in my previous topic. Sadly the evidence you provided with the vidoes could have really been useful but as you know, I can't access them.

That is not my problem that you can't access them. Because there is a hole hot in their that would make you change your mind.

As for king ceaser. Well Mg had almost got ceaser killed if godzilla had not arised out of the sea. Than MG's attention went to Godzilla and thats why ceaser got less screen time and hence did not appear shattered after a break. Mg's weapons are going to injure Heisei ghidorah because of the scaleup of size and the general power of the weapons as we see them. plus heisei ghidorah's hide is really something to laugh at.

No, the hide is not something to really laugh at. The beams did nothing to him at all. Sure he covered his heads with his wings, but even teh wings were left without a mark. Then he was hit right in the middle head while flying and again, no damage and it didn't even halt his flight. Nothing there tells me that he has bad defense.

Ghidorah is good, but not that good. For instance, he can beat his showa counter part and mothra of the Heisei series. He can beat his Millennium counter part as well and many other monsters from that era such as baragon, mothra and perhaps megaguiras but Showa powerhouses such as Hedorah, Mechagodzilla, godzilla and Titanosaurus can kill it provided they are scaled to the size required. HKG is also not heavy enough to stay put while his wings make it easy for the wind to push him.

I will give you Hedorah. There is no way for Ghidorah to hurt him. BUT Godzilla?:laugh: He can't even beat Showa Ghidorah by himself. Showa Godzilla is horridly weak. His beam is worthless. And all he has is Deus Ex Machina all that would be useless against KG. When he can't even hurt the horrid Showa Ghidorah, how the hell can he hurt Heisei Ghidorah? And I do think he can easily dispatch Titano due to flight and beams better than most of the Showa era as well as emmense strength. And this hole topic is about taking down MG so there ya go. Can't defend him against Hedorah though. That is just impossible.

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How about this. Look at the way they destroy the buildings. They, as Ang55 pointed out in the DD earlier this year completely shattered the buildings much easier than even GKG's has. And those beams ripped freaking Rainbow Mothra a new one. How are they useless?

Ripping buildings equals nothing bub. There are too many factors that make this point invalid. Firstly Buildings are not kaijus. From the start of the early kaiju movies we have been seeing kaijus destroy buildings and all. Also you are pointing out Ang's post only because it supports HKG. If he posted something you would'nt like, I bet you would not agree to it till someone stuffs gives out proof. Don't give me any of

"but I agreed to his points when he put up something against HKG's favor with spacegodzilla"

Because we all know how powerful spacegodzilla.

I know it orga. Thats the way you work.

Eh. I will give you that. Except for the fact unlike Showa MG MKG did not recoil after getting hit by the beams.

What difference does it make. Showa Mg was hit with a pin point shot at the throat yet I did not see any steel parts flying out like they way it did with MKG so there you have it.

When they first fought, after he fell down in the fight, MG shot his eye lasers at Goji, who was on the ground, and missed. That is called bad aim.

Pay attention to what I'am saying.

If you remember in the first battle, Mg missed one beam shot at godzilla. It was because G74 quickly backed his torso off when MG charged his beam. Despite that, you could hear G74 even give out a shriek because of how near the beam was to hit him.

He did miss, but by how much? That I can say is pretty close judging by Godzilla's position before he stood up on his hands.

It took three eye lasers in the same exact spot to make him bleed near the end of the movie. And it isn't like Showa Goji is the king of durability like Heisei Goji is.

You definetly are underating showa godzilla's durability without giving out thing to back it up with. Tell me, how exactly did you come up with such a perception.

Well the Corona beam blew chunks out of Goji's shoulder the first time actually... Heisei Ghids is not that powerful, but compared to the other kaiju he faced in the stacked Heisei era except for MG no kaiju even came CLOSE to killing Goji like Ghidorah did.

You are not understanding what I'am saying, nor are you keeping up with any relevance to my statement and instead are throwing more dim facts to keep the debate longer as you hang on to it.

First of all did I say what chunks or flesh was blown off?

You said that ghidorah's beam looked effective as they made godzilla roar in pain...

To that I responded that:

So whats your point. Every beam that hits Heisei godzilla makes him roar in pain. with I would also like to bring up space godzilla's corona beam. Godzilla did not roar in pain when it hit him the first time yet we all know it did a hell lot more damage the combination of all three beams.

and whats with HKG being close to killing godzilla?

This is a rather one of those numb statements that take half my energy out whenever I debate. Let me give you people a picture to what ghidorah was close to accomplishing.

Begin:

Fortunately for HKG, the godzilla incarnation he was fighting was Not aggressive or as strong as the later versions of himself. The terrain they were fighting also had craters and ditches which was to ghidorah's luck. Ghidorah did come close to wounding or breaking one of godzilla's ribs with his stomping but even then, its rather concieted to view it as complete domination. Godzilla was not showing any signs of pain or injuries by the stomp and what seemed to be something crushing was not working too well because godzilla got up on his feet right after the stomp and layed a smackdown on ghidorah. You would have atleast expected to see godzilla limp a little since ghidorah did stomp on his rib cage.

Honestly speaking I find no reason as to how the stomp attack could really be that damaging.

Then we come to the neck choke. It took one minute 30 seconds for it to make godzilla foam yet godzilla's neck movement and head movement seemed rather unaffected by this. This is when godzilla finally remembered that he had a nuclear pulse. So there you have it, ghidorah's deadly attack caused him to suffer dearly.

What are you talking about? Yea he can put it up all he wants, but he doesn't do anything while in it and it is STILL open at the top. So what the hell is your point?

Either you are having difficulty understanding my language or you are seriously mis-interpreting what I just said.

Read this carefully:

Thats what you think. He has control over his shield to save him from incoming attacks such as melee and beam attacks. When godzilla shot his beam, Mg activated his shield and made it last till after godzilla touched it.

Now read what you wrote as a reply:

What are you talking about? Yea he can put it up all he wants, but he doesn't do anything while in it and it is STILL open at the top. So what the hell is your point?

Now People... am I the only one seeing something incorrect here?

and who is to say that MG has to stand at one position and activate his shield right at the point the enemy is flying over his head.

No, he was not moving at all. Look at the damn eyes. He was practically turned off when the shield is up.

ok, but as long as mg has control over it, I'am not going by any of your claims of how useless it is.


Never has Showa Goji's beam ever done any harm to any kaiju out there. Didn't hurt Mothra, or Rodan. Didn't hurt Ghidorah or Hedorah. Hell it didn't even hurt Gigan or Megalon! None of these kaiju were ever damaged by the beam in the slightest.

Thats cause rodan and mothra stopped fighting him after GTTHM. and yes his beams did hurt many showa kaijus such as Gigan and megalon... Specially gigan. Showa Ghidorah never got shot by this era's godzilla beam so we can never know what kind of damage it would have inflicted. Judging by what happened to Titano after it, I can say it was probably not going to be pretty. Hedorah is a different case though. His hide is made to withstand heat and radiation.

Wrong. Heisei KG shot a hole lot more than 38 shots. And more than 18 hit.

No he did not. You counted the explosions, not the beam shots or the total number of beams fired.

I will put up a video if I can find one... But then you will just say you can't view it.:sarcasm:

So what are you waiting for.

Am I a mad person to waste my time and energy trying to convince you with all this evidence I keep putting up here. Its not only for you, its for everyone that reads this topic. So I suggest you do it to convince the people, not me.

Every time I post a video you always say you can't view it so. But even a direct head shot that hit Seesar did not leave any damage on him. Hell, Seesar did not recieve any damage through the hole entire fight against MG.

I'am serious. I really can't view the video. Damage done on ceaser was not visible because or shown was because people are not aware of what his skin is made out of and whether he possess blood or not. Some say he is a cyborg while others say he is a golem made out of gems, which seems most likely. His face has too many designs and moulds, so it makes it difficult to see whether his face recieved any damage or not anyway. But judging by how ceaser was time after time giving his dizzy look after MG's assaults I say he was pretty injured.

.... It was a figure of speech. What it means is he will totally trounce Shwoa MG in hth combat. One move where he comes in and bashes him to the ground and not soon after MG gets stomped on and it end right there.


Like I said before, MG hardly has chance of getting stomped in this match unless ghidorah does it quick, which he does not. If MG even does get stomped, he can escape as he has jet boosters, a rotative neck joint and long powerful arms.

One move where he comes in and bashes him?

This is'nt showa ghidorah we are talking about. This is HKG who has not demonstrated any ability of bashing his foes to the ground.

and hows about we talk over MG's Hth combat with the scale up in mind.

His kick is going to send HKG flying like a dingbat over the horizon. His chops are going to actually bash each of his skulls, and he could also smack or stab HKG which would be more effective on him since he is not made out of gems or any such hard material. If HKG manages to bite him, or choke him, then MG could just use his all out strike upclose and voila, you have got french toast.


Showa MG is the most overrated pile of machinery in the entire kaiju fandom. It has no durability at all. Its aim is lackluster. And the beams are, while pretty good, are not as impressive as everyone makes them out to be. When people start saying MOGUERA would lose to Showa MG that kinda proves my point. MG is in the middle of the pack. So is KG, but KG is top mid-teir to just mid-teir that MG is in.

Showa mg is not overrated at all. Infact many people tend to underrate it and overlook its real potential just over the fact that its a showa kaiju. Now what really reeks of overatedness, is that scum of a dragon HKG. I suppose people generally like to popularize its character because of natural liking for the kaiju. I have seen many instances of occasions where people generally boost ghidorah over rodan, mothra and mechagodzilla without any correct justification as to what makes it so much better than the rest. You are a good example of such people. Its a shame people resort to dishonesty at times to push it all over the place.



That is not my problem that you can't access them. Because there is a hole hot in their that would make you change your mind.


No their is'nt. If what you provided is the same as my movie, then I know I'am right and you are wrong. Anyone with the movie can generally see everything I bring up here.

No, the hide is not something to really laugh at. The beams did nothing to him at all. Sure he covered his heads with his wings, but even teh wings were left without a mark. Then he was hit right in the middle head while flying and again, no damage and it didn't even halt his flight. Nothing there tells me that he has bad defense.

He was shot with one short burst and one medium burst at the start of the battle, which made him go into defensive posture. Than he quickly zipped to the air at the moment G91's dorsal fins were glowing. That was clearly out of sheer desperation to avoid the beam. Then we see ghidorah giving his passing-by attacks in which he gets to piss godzilla off further until he decides to shoot his beam. Notice the time it took for this godzilla to become pissed and shoot. Compare it with the fight with rodan
that occured in GvsMG II. Finally when godzilla does become pissed he shoots yet another short burst of his atomic beam which hits in between The middle nech and right neck connection portion. This little burst of a beam aggitates ghidorah into diving and knocking godzilla off.

I will give you Hedorah. There is no way for Ghidorah to hurt him. BUT Godzilla?:laugh: He can't even beat Showa Ghidorah by himself. Showa Godzilla is horridly weak. His beam is worthless. And all he has is Deus Ex Machina all that would be useless against KG. When he can't even hurt the horrid Showa Ghidorah, how the hell can he hurt Heisei Ghidorah? And I do think he can easily dispatch Titano due to flight and beams better than most of the Showa era as well as emmense strength. And this hole topic is about taking down MG so there ya go. Can't defend him against Hedorah though. That is just impossible.

Hedorah is certainly gifted but....

Apparently you are the only one who thinks showa godzilla is pathetic, even when scaled to 120 meters. This whole paragraph is certainly flawed beyond the boundry of reasoning. Your constant grammatical errors and the ever annoying use of "teh" and "hole" makes it worst. Thats why I seriously think there is a need for a third person here.

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Orga is right about the shield. It's not gonna help. The shield does not come up instantaneously (if you think MG can bring it up to quickly stop a beam barrage, you're seriously fooling yourself), it leaves him entirely immobile, and it doesn't block the top. It won't do anything but hurt MechaGodzilla, because King Ghidorah could still hit him with a flyby.

And King Ghidorah's aim is not as bad as you say. If it were, he couldn't have hit the planes that attacked him on the first try.

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Ripping buildings equals nothing bub. There are too many factors that make this point invalid. Firstly Buildings are not kaijus. From the start of the early kaiju movies we have been seeing kaijus destroy buildings and all. Also you are pointing out Ang's post only because it supports HKG. If he posted something you would'nt like, I bet you would not agree to it till someone stuffs gives out proof.

Then what are we discussing? By that logic ALL beams short of SG's Corona Beam and teh Plasma Grenade are useless in the Heisei era because they never hurt Goji.:sarcasm:

What difference does it make. Showa Mg was hit with a pin point shot at the throat yet I did not see any steel parts flying out like they way it did with MKG so there you have it.

Like I told you in the other topic, those were only the wings that were damaged like that.

He did miss, but by how much? That I can say is pretty close judging by Godzilla's position before he stood up on his hands.

Alright then. Then how close was Heisei Ghidorah from hitting Heisei Godzilla? Pretty damn close. A miss is a miss no matter how close it is.

You definetly are underating showa godzilla's durability without giving out thing to back it up with. Tell me, how exactly did you come up with such a perception.

Getting owned by Gigan in hth combat for one. Being shocked to all hell by Kong. And even being adgitated by Showa Ghidorah's beams when even Mothra Larva who was flung around by the beams came out uneffected.

and whats with HKG being close to killing godzilla?

Um, he WAS. And if he can come close to taking down a juggernaught like Heisei Godzilla he should have a much easier time against a flimsy mech and a dinosaur that isn't even close to that level of power.

Fortunately for HKG, the godzilla incarnation he was fighting was Not aggressive or as strong as the later versions of himself.

Which you still have not proven.

The terrain they were fighting also had craters and ditches which was to ghidorah's luck.

Or could it possibly be that those ditches and craters were from *GASP* Ghidorah's beams? If they can easily tear up a land scape like that they have to be pretty darn impressive.

Ghidorah did come close to wounding or breaking one of godzilla's ribs with his stomping but even then, its rather concieted to view it as complete domination.

Yes, Goji was just, you know, not having an opportunity to do anything and was getting pounded into the ground so easily. Yep, Ghidorah was just barely winning at that point.:sarcasm:


Godzilla was not showing any signs of pain or injuries by the stomp and what seemed to be something crushing was not working too well because godzilla got up on his feet right after the stomp and layed a smackdown on ghidorah. You would have atleast expected to see godzilla limp a little since ghidorah did stomp on his rib cage.


You are talking about a kaiju that was cut in half by Destroyah's Laser Horn and didn't even stumble. Why should getting stomped on slow him down if he has time to recover?

Honestly speaking I find no reason as to how the stomp attack could really be that damaging.

Because eventually, Goji would have been dead.

Then we come to the neck choke. It took one minute 30 seconds for it to make godzilla foam yet godzilla's neck movement and head movement seemed rather unaffected by this. This is when godzilla finally remembered that he had a nuclear pulse. So there you have it, ghidorah's deadly attack caused him to suffer dearly.

Well yea, the Pulse saved him there, but whether he controls it is another story. And Ghidorah can't see into the future, how was he supposed to know that Goji had that move? And just like the stomping, eventually Goji would have been killed by it.


Now People... am I the only one seeing something incorrect here?

and who is to say that MG has to stand at one position and activate his shield right at the point the enemy is flying over his head.


Seer covered your shield bull so I won't have to repeat everything he said.

Thats cause rodan and mothra stopped fighting him after GTTHM. and yes his beams did hurt many showa kaijus such as Gigan and megalon...

Gigan is a wimp. And the beam has NEVER damaged him. All it did was shoot him out of the air. Never once was there any damage on Gigan's body. As for Megalon... I really don't feel like watching the movie to say that I am right on that so I will conceed him due to the fact I don't feel like ripping out my eyes.

Specially gigan. Showa Ghidorah never got shot by this era's godzilla beam so we can never know what kind of damage it would have inflicted. Judging by what happened to Titano after it, I can say it was probably not going to be pretty. Hedorah is a different case though. His hide is made to withstand heat and radiation.

Ghidorah was hit in Gvs.Gigan last I checked. And that is the same Goji last time I checked.

No he did not. You counted the explosions, not the beam shots or the total number of beams fired.

I didn't count at all. :laugh: But just by looking at it he shot a hole lot more than even 50 beams. Again, he has three freaking heads each with a beam.

Am I a mad person to waste my time and energy trying to convince you with all this evidence I keep putting up here. Its not only for you, its for everyone that reads this topic. So I suggest you do it to convince the people, not me.

WHAT evidence? You haven't put forth ANYTHING that isn't speculation just like I have.


I'am serious. I really can't view the video. Damage done on ceaser was not visible because or shown was because people are not aware of what his skin is made out of and whether he possess blood or not. Some say he is a cyborg while others say he is a golem made out of gems, which seems most likely. His face has too many designs and moulds, so it makes it difficult to see whether his face recieved any damage or not anyway. But judging by how ceaser was time after time giving his dizzy look after MG's assaults I say he was pretty injured.


Yea, it only took a hole bunch of attacks to finally get through to Seesar. Ghidorah must be doomed.:sarcasm:

Like I said before, MG hardly has chance of getting stomped in this match unless ghidorah does it quick, which he does not. If MG even does get stomped, he can escape as he has jet boosters, a rotative neck joint and long powerful arms.

Like I said, getting thrown by Seesar is much diffrent than getting bashed off the ground hard by something as large as King Ghidorah.


This is'nt showa ghidorah we are talking about. This is HKG who has not demonstrated any ability of bashing his foes to the ground.


....So what do you call ramming Goji to the ground then?

His kick is going to send HKG flying like a dingbat over the horizon. His chops are going to actually bash each of his skulls, and he could also smack or stab HKG which would be more effective on him since he is not made out of gems or any such hard material. If HKG manages to bite him, or choke him, then MG could just use his all out strike upclose and voila, you have got french toast.

Hitting a MUCH lighter Seesar and a MUCH lighter Goji is diffrent than hitting a MUCH heavier Ghidorah.

Showa mg is not overrated at all. Infact many people tend to underrate it and overlook its real potential just over the fact that its a showa kaiju.

When people start spewing BS like he can beat MOGUERA tells me he is overrated.

Now what really reeks of overatedness, is that scum of a dragon HKG. I suppose people generally like to popularize its character because of natural liking for the kaiju.

Do you know how hard it was to get it through to everyone how good Heisei Ghidorah is? Me and Mirren had to bash it repeatedly through people's skulls. Everyone around here used to claim that he was in the Minya level of power and couldn't even fight the likes of Showa Gigan. SO you don't know how wrong you are on this subject.

I have seen many instances of occasions where people generally boost ghidorah over rodan, mothra and mechagodzilla without any correct justification as to what makes it so much better than the rest. You are a good example of such people. Its a shame people resort to dishonesty at times to push it all over the place.

Heisei Ghidorah is better than Heisei Rodan, he is better than Heisei Mothra, and is a better all around kaiju than MG (he would lose due to the absorption though). And there is justification for it. WATCH THE ****ING MOVIE! Ghidorah clearly out classes what many people think is one of the strongest kaiju in Heisei Godzilla. And if it wasn't for interference Heisei Goji would have lost. How is that not impressive? How is it freaking dishonest? Maybe you don't see it, but a lot of other people do.

No their is'nt. If what you provided is the same as my movie, then I know I'am right and you are wrong. Anyone with the movie can generally see everything I bring up here.

Vice versa for me though. And yea, anyone with the movie can generally see what I am seeing and everything I cam bringing up as well.

Apparently you are the only one who thinks showa godzilla is pathetic, even when scaled to 120 meters. This whole paragraph is certainly flawed beyond the boundry of reasoning. Your constant grammatical errors and the ever annoying use of "teh" and "hole" makes it worst. Thats why I seriously think there is a need for a third person here.

He is good in the SHOWA era. Compared to Heisei kaiju he couldn't even hold a candle to even the weakest levels of the Heisei kaiju. And really, Showa Goji is not that good even in the Showa era. He can't beat Ghidorah alone, he can't beat Hedorah, he isn't good enough to beat MG without interference, same with Titano, Mothra would trounce him, and he tied Rodan. Maybe it is YOU that doesn't get it. As for the errors, get over it. I was never that good a typer, and I either usually accidental mess up 'the' with 'teh' and sometimes I forget a letter in a word. If it bothers you that much then you seriously have some issues that need to be worked out.

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Ripping buildings equals nothing bub. There are too many factors that make this point invalid. Firstly Buildings are not kaijus. From the start of the early kaiju movies we have been seeing kaijus destroy buildings and all. Also you are pointing out Ang's post only because it supports HKG. If he posted something you would'nt like, I bet you would not agree to it till someone stuffs gives out proof.

You posted this:


Then what are we discussing? By that logic ALL beams short of SG's Corona Beam and teh Plasma Grenade are useless in the Heisei era because they never hurt Goji.


Despite the large irrelevancy in your post I'll still answer your new logic. You are judging the power of the beam by the destruction they caused in the city. If this is the logic people use for determining such inquiries then showa king ghidorah should be considered more powerful than HKG simply because he destroyed civilisations. Showa ghidorah could only destroy civilisations with his beams after all.

Orga is right about the shield. It's not gonna help. The shield does not come up instantaneously (if you think MG can bring it up to quickly stop a beam barrage, you're seriously fooling yourself), it leaves him entirely immobile, and it doesn't block the top. It won't do anything but hurt MechaGodzilla, because King Ghidorah could still hit him with a flyby.

Ofcourse, he needs to rotate his head to bring up the shield:

I never said he could bring it up instantly to stop beam barrages.
I said he could control the timing of the duration of the shield. When showa godzilla touched the shield and fell down, Mg's shield was instantly off and MG did his roars. In order for King ghidorah to actually hit MG, he has to be in a very narrow angle as the shield height is larger than that of MG. These two factors should be considered before claiming the shield as useless.

And King Ghidorah's aim is not as bad as you say. If it were, he couldn't have hit the planes that attacked him on the first try.

Please seer, understand what I'am coming at. The planes were small targets that were easily dispatched by ghidorah because of the size of his beams(area with in his beams), and the total number of beams he fired at them. Not to mention he had to heave his beam to the right angle to blow them off.

Like I told you in the other topic, those were only the wings that were damaged like that.

You also ignored my answer :

The beam was heaved from the ribs to the wings. Even if most the splinters were of his wings, some of them were of his rib section. I know it because the beam collision in that spot flared orange in colour to show that the the surface was crippled.

Alright then. Then how close was Heisei Ghidorah from hitting Heisei Godzilla? Pretty damn close. A miss is a miss no matter how close it is.

Not pretty damn close. Pretty damn far. Want a photo? or you could just take a little effort and watch the movie to see it.

Getting owned by Gigan in hth combat for one. Being shocked to all hell by Kong. And even being adgitated by Showa Ghidorah's beams when even Mothra Larva who was flung around by the beams came out uneffected.

Those were the early godzillas!!!

Now I'am getting really annoyed here okay. Tell me, could you solve math sums that your younger version could not do?

Yes there is something called experience and age. Godzilla kept improving till he finally reached GvsMG74 and TOMG.

Um, he WAS. And if he can come close to taking down a juggernaught like Heisei Godzilla he should have a much easier time against a flimsy mech and a dinosaur that isn't even close to that level of power.

First of all, ghidorah was not close to taking down a juggernaught like G91. Second of all, There is a serious problem with your understandings of Level of Power. Third, You'll keep ignoring the size increase.

Get this....

Your precious dragon is just a beefed up version of its showa counter part. Nothing overly amazing...

Which you still have not proven.

I did. You are the only one who has not willing to accept it simply because you don't want to.

Or could it possibly be that those ditches and craters were from *GASP* Ghidorah's beams? If they can easily tear up a land scape like that they have to be pretty darn impressive.

hoo boy...

no it is'nt bub, Specially if all the beams keep hitting the the same region again and again, just like How HKG was missing his beams at godzilla and blasting the ground instead.

Besides that ...
Any beam could cause forest ground to be scorched...

The ditch was caused partly because of ghiddy's beam and partly because godzilla fell in the scorched surface. Its a forest, not a street with roads and concrete buildings.

Yes, Goji was just, you know, not having an opportunity to do anything and was getting pounded into the ground so easily. Yep, Ghidorah was just barely winning at that point.

Lame answer orga. He was in a ditch struggling to get up. He was in panic. If he would have just attempted the blast the source of what was pounding him, he would have had no problem. Heisei godzilla has a problem of figuring things out when he is struggling, you know. The chocking by HKG, the pecking by rodan and the electrocution by Mg and MKG explains this typical assumption.

He is not very fast either, except for those cases where his son was involved.

You are talking about a kaiju that was cut in half by Destroyah's Laser Horn and didn't even stumble. Why should getting stomped on slow him down if he has time to recover?


This sentence has two meanings:

Either you are saying that Heisei godzilla had time to recover when he was getting stomped, or time to recover when ghidorah was off him in which both cases still turn against your favor bub.

Oh and Destoroyah's laser katana was a cut attack used on MELTDOWN GODZILLA. I would expect HKG's stomp attack to break G91's bones but they did'nt.

Because eventually, Goji would have been dead.

No

Well yea, the Pulse saved him there, but whether he controls it is another story. And Ghidorah can't see into the future, how was he supposed to know that Goji had that move? And just like the stomping, eventually Goji would have been killed by it.

Quite whining over this bub. The fact that this attack requires ghidorah to attach to another monster, is itself suicidal in many cases.


Yet I could not disagree that Goji would have been killed by it, but than again, its quite obvious that the choking process would have took some time to completely stop his lungs from breathing. For mechs this is not a problem.

Gigan is a wimp. And the beam has NEVER damaged him. All it did was shoot him out of the air. Never once was there any damage on Gigan's body. As for Megalon... I really don't feel like watching the movie to say that I am right on that so I will conceed him due to the fact I don't feel like ripping out my eyes.

Yeah, and I'am to imagine that it was a mysterious force that knocked gigan out when godzilla fired his beam to save JJ.

I didn't count at all. :laugh: But just by looking at it he shot a hole lot more than even 50 beams. Again, he has three freaking heads each with a beam.


Whatever is the number you see him spitting out, Only 18 hit G91, despite the fact that G91 was a big and slow target.

WHAT evidence? You haven't put forth ANYTHING that isn't speculation just like I have.

Other way around bub. I posted photos and described the scenes the way they happened in the movie. You in the other hand are just going "HKG WAS THE UBER PWNZOR WHO CAN WITHSTAND **** AND KILL KAIJUS WITH HIS UBER STOMP AND LETHAL CHOKE".

Yea, it only took a hole bunch of attacks to finally get through to Seesar. Ghidorah must be doomed.

Who says ceaser has to be killed first. As long as he is knocked out for a while or pushed back by Titanosaurus's wind attack I don't see him doing much other than annoying MG for a little while. Yup ghidorah is doomed since he is likely to be the prime target in this match for both MG and Titano.

Like I said, getting thrown by Seesar is much diffrent than getting bashed off the ground hard by something as large as King Ghidorah.

Large means nothing when these kaijus are scaled up.

Ghidorah was hit in Gvs.Gigan last I checked. And that is the same Goji last time I checked.

I'am too lazy to check that out. Where does ghidorah get hit by godzilla's beam?

....So what do you call ramming Goji to the ground then?

A swoop attack. So?

When people start spewing BS like he can beat MOGUERA tells me he is overrated.

Ironic is'n it ?

You see MG 93 being beaten by GMK ghidorah and other such crap on behalf of your love for the ghidorahs.

Do you know how hard it was to get it through to everyone how good Heisei Ghidorah is? Me and Mirren had to bash it repeatedly through people's skulls. Everyone around here used to claim that he was in the Minya level of power and couldn't even fight the likes of Showa Gigan. SO you don't know how wrong you are on this subject.


Things change orga. HKG was considered a weakling three years back. You and Mirren changed that. Now I rightfully want to bring that period back because of how people overrate this creep.

Heisei Ghidorah is better than Heisei Rodan, he is better than Heisei Mothra, and is a better all around kaiju than MG (he would lose due to the absorption though).

Maybe the design might seem more appealing to people(beefed up showa ghidorah) but there is nothing better about it than any of the kaijus you listed. They were not as powerful as HKG (Fire rodan might be close though), but comparatively they did better. However MG is much more powerful than HKG. He was better overall and only lacked melee. If it wasn't for Fire Rodan's interference Godzilla would have been permenantly killed.

And there is justification for it. WATCH THE ****ING MOVIE! Ghidorah clearly out classes what many people think is one of the strongest kaiju in Heisei Godzilla. And if it wasn't for interference Heisei Goji would have lost. How is that not impressive? How is it freaking dishonest? Maybe you don't see it, but a lot of other people do.

You definitely overrate HKG bub. Right there takes the cake for this very claim. You are being dishonest too.

Vice versa for me though. And yea, anyone with the movie can generally see what I am seeing and everything I cam bringing up as well.

Well then, I should be getting bashed by thousands of people any minute now.

He is good in the SHOWA era. Compared to Heisei kaiju he couldn't even hold a candle to even the weakest levels of the Heisei kaiju. And really, Showa Goji is not that good even in the Showa era. He can't beat Ghidorah alone, he can't beat Hedorah, he isn't good enough to beat MG without interference, same with Titano, Mothra would trounce him, and he tied Rodan. Maybe it is YOU that doesn't get it. As for the errors, get over it.

the showa gojis, changed by passage of time/movies. I know that and many other people believe the samething as seen in DD. Understand that.

I was never that good a typer, and I either usually accidental mess up 'the' with 'teh' and sometimes I forget a letter in a word. If it bothers you that much then you seriously have some issues that need to be worked out.

No, It does not bother me. It makes me laugh at you over the impression that you are just spitting and cursing at me.

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Despite the large irrelevancy in your post I'll still answer your new logic. You are judging the power of the beam by the destruction they caused in the city. If this is the logic people use for determining such inquiries then showa king ghidorah should be considered more powerful than HKG simply because he destroyed civilisations. Showa ghidorah could only destroy civilisations with his beams after all.

It is actually the explosions caused. Not just destroying the city. In the Heisei era the beams cause more damage to the surrounding area then they did in the Showa era. That is what I am talking about.

Please seer, understand what I'am coming at. The planes were small targets that were easily dispatched by ghidorah because of the size of his beams(area with in his beams), and the total number of beams he fired at them. Not to mention he had to heave his beam to the right angle to blow them off.

That is just because of how he fights. His beams are unpredictable. They go in every direction. I get where you are coming from with the aim and how a lot of shots do infact miss. But since he fires so damn many they will always hit their target.

Not pretty damn close. Pretty damn far. Want a photo? or you could just take a little effort and watch the movie to see it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGeRpS0uf4c Actually according from this clip you are dead wrong. Oh, and for you I counted the beams that hit. I stopped around 30.;)

Yes there is something called experience and age. Godzilla kept improving till he finally reached GvsMG74 and TOMG.

Yea? But if I remember the Goji from Gvs.Hedorah and Gigan is the exact same Goji from TOMG. He has the same blue breath and the same kung fu that he uses. No difference in beam power, no difference in strength, and he STILL almost lost to Gigan and Ghidorah and got thrashed by Hedorah. Actually none of that matters. Destroy All Monsters is considered to be the end of the Showa era for continuity purposes so your whole thing is moot since Goji's beam did jack in that fight.

First of all, ghidorah was not close to taking down a juggernaught like G91. Second of all, There is a serious problem with your understandings of Level of Power. Third, You'll keep ignoring the size increase.

G'91 is the same dam Goji that you see till Destroyah. His abilities stay the same. His Pulse does the same damage, the beam is the same, and even though you think he gets more aggressive, he really doesn't till SG. That that is because he was pissed off. He is still the same Godzilla with the same damn abilities that don't get any damn stronger. Get it now?


Get this....
Your precious dragon is just a beefed up version of its showa counter part. Nothing overly amazing...


Now you see, that is where you are wrong. For one Showa Ghidorah couldnt even come close to killing Showa Godzilla who is drastically weaker than Heisei Godzilla. Showa Ghidorah has beams that are totally useless that can't even hurt Anguirus. Heisei Ghidorah's beams caused huge explosions all over Heisei Goji. If it wasn't for the insane durability and regen that Heisei goji had he would have been in deep trouble.

I did. You are the only one who has not willing to accept it simply because you don't want to.

Goes both ways. You should find a way to view thouse clips then.


Besides that ...
Any beam could cause forest ground to be scorched...


Forest? http://www.cathuria.com/bcd/GodzillavKingG.jpg Looks like they are fighting on a plain to me. Not many trees there so how is it a forest?

The ditch was caused partly because of ghiddy's beam and partly because godzilla fell in the scorched surface. Its a forest, not a street with roads and concrete buildings.

Your right, but he already decimated the streets of a city earlier in teh movie if you recall.

Either you are saying that Heisei godzilla had time to recover when he was getting stomped, or time to recover when ghidorah was off him in which both cases still turn against your favor bub.

When he was off him. Heisei Goji has never been taken down at all. Nothing has ever slowed him down, and it is hard to break his bones. Hell Biollante jabbed a vine through an eariler Heisei Godzilla's hand. The moment he pulled the vine out he was fine and healed. When it comes to Heisei Goji his regen effects everything including the mending of bones much faster than nornal. So you really can't hold that against KG.

No

Yes

Quite whining over this bub. The fact that this attack requires ghidorah to attach to another monster, is itself suicidal in many cases.

If he did that to any other Godzilla it would have ended right their.

Yet I could not disagree that Goji would have been killed by it, but than again, its quite obvious that the choking process would have took some time to completely stop his lungs from breathing. For mechs this is not a problem.

You are right MG doesn't need to breath... But oh wait, how was he defeated the first time again? Thats right his head was ripped off. So if Ghidorah wraps his head around MG and squeezes maybe the hole head will just pop off or get crush, which ever. Not that MG has much durability anyway.


Yeah, and I'am to imagine that it was a mysterious force that knocked gigan out when godzilla fired his beam to save JJ.


I just said I wasn't going to check that horrid movie... But eitehr way he didn't get any damage at all. He may have been blasted but he was never shown to get a wound... untill JJ broke his arm that is.

Whatever is the number you see him spitting out, Only 18 hit G91, despite the fact that G91 was a big and slow target.

See above.

Other way around bub. I posted photos and described the scenes the way they happened in the movie. You in the other hand are just going "HKG WAS THE UBER PWNZOR WHO CAN WITHSTAND **** AND KILL KAIJUS WITH HIS UBER STOMP AND LETHAL CHOKE".

No, I could care less about the choke. It isn't even going to need to come into play in this fight because MG would be in teh scrap heap before that would happen anyway.

Who says ceaser has to be killed first. As long as he is knocked out for a while or pushed back by Titanosaurus's wind attack I don't see him doing much other than annoying MG for a little while. Yup ghidorah is doomed since he is likely to be the prime target in this match for both MG and Titano.

Except Titano doesn't have anything that is going to register on KG at all. Only MG has anything that is even going to register on KG in this fight.

Large means nothing when these kaijus are scaled up.

WRONG! He was able to knock down Goji who is almost just as large as he is and he was smashed off the ground hard after that hit. Now imagine a mech that is not even going to weigh as much as Goji getting smashed off the ground? It is going to do a number on him big time.

A swoop attack. So?

You said:


[QUOTE] This is'nt showa ghidorah we are talking about. This is HKG who has not demonstrated any ability of bashing his foes to the ground.

Last time I checked that 'swoop attack' bashed Goji off the ground.

You see MG 93 being beaten by GMK ghidorah and other such crap on behalf of your love for the ghidorahs.

That is because of the electric beams... But then I remembered how horrid GMK Ghidorah's defense is... I conceed that fight. And actually outside of Grand and Heisei Ghidorah the other Ghidorah's stink and I hate them with a passion.;)

Things change orga. HKG was considered a weakling three years back. You and Mirren changed that. Now I rightfully want to bring that period back because of how people overrate this creep.

No, it is just you underrate this Heisei powerhouse. You have no evidence to put forth that says he is weak.

Maybe the design might seem more appealing to people(beefed up showa ghidorah) but there is nothing better about it than any of the kaijus you listed. They were not as powerful as HKG (Fire rodan might be close though), but comparatively they did better. However MG is much more powerful than HKG. He was better overall and only lacked melee. If it wasn't for Fire Rodan's interference Godzilla would have been permenantly killed.

At least you say they aren't as strong. It is a start.:p Oh, and as for the bold... didn't I say the same thing with KG against Goji? And you just seemed to write it off?

You definitely overrate HKG bub. Right there takes the cake for this very claim. You are being dishonest too.

*Sigh* So tell me then, how am I being dishonest?


Well then, I should be getting bashed by thousands of people any minute now.


Hopefully. But not likely since everyone seems to be ingnoring this topic...

the showa gojis, changed by passage of time/movies. I know that and many other people believe the samething as seen in DD. Understand that.

What? Is that why Showa Goji lost to a cartoon cobra?

[Gorjirus]

Hmm...

Scaled up, MG's beams WOULD damage HKG. And by the blank battlefield, there would be no cover for King Seesar. Which means that MG could easily take him out with the missles.

Titanosaurus and his hurricane tail (which is one of the more powerful that we have seen, I believe) would most like blow KG around some. At least long enough for MG to take out KS, who won't be able to hide.

And together, MG and KS would take down HKG. Yes, KG isn't as weak as some people make him out to be (I am in the camp that beleives he is strong). But I do think he would get taken out in that tag team.

[Light Surge]

Hopefully. But not likely since everyone seems to be ingnoring this topic...

There you go orga, Gors posts is exactly the same bashing you are hoping for and Its the only one I see currenty.

Now its my turn..

It is actually the explosions caused. Not just destroying the city. In the Heisei era the beams cause more damage to the surrounding area then they did in the Showa era. That is what I am talking about.

Not always... MG 75's missles did a hell lot of damage in the city and Showa ghidorah though not as impressive as HKG did do quite a number on the city when he was teaming up with gigan.

That is just because of how he fights. His beams are unpredictable. They go in every direction. I get where you are coming from with the aim and how a lot of shots do infact miss. But since he fires so damn many they will always hit their target.

IT does not matter. He has bad accuracy and bad beams....

IF he loses any of those heads, or recieves injury there, He won't be able to fire too many beams at all.

Combined with the fact that the enemy would be retaliate unlike those fighter planes would also makes this beam war short on ghidorah's end.



Actually according from this clip you are dead wrong. Oh, and for you I counted the beams that hit. I stopped around 30.



Yes I watched it this time...

thank god it loaded.

Yes, the movie clip is the same thing I see in my copy of GvsKG 91 except its damn blurred.

I think I get an idea of how you are counting bub. From the blurred video I see, most of the extra shots you counted in were probably from the fly by attacks in which it seem like ghidorah shoots godzilla's feet.

in this case the shots counted are totaling to 22 but its not....

Many of ghidorah's beams seemed to overlap each other and form one single beam in the first encounter they had. By that I can count that as one long beam instead of two short beams vice versa. My theory is supported by the fact that there was only one explosion made by one of ghidorahs longer beams which heaved over godzilla's chest for 2 secs and that the beam crest and truph seemed larger at times. When ghidorah did his flybys, I could clearly see what beams had missed and what had hit g91 by the red shiny explosions on the legs made and the the level at which the explosions occured.

18 shots bub.... 18 shots....


G'91 is the same dam Goji that you see till Destroyah. His abilities stay the same. His Pulse does the same damage, the beam is the same, and even though you think he gets more aggressive, he really doesn't till SG. That that is because he was pissed off. He is still the same Godzilla with the same damn abilities that don't get any damn stronger. Get it now?


No I don't :

Watch the destruction caused by his beams in GvsMGII and GvsSG and compare that to the destruction his beam does in 91. Tanks were blown up quicker. Large buildings were penetrated like knife through butter i.e instantly.

Look how aggressive he is in GvsMGII. He beats rodan and MG like hell. Movement is also faster than G91. Look at how he attacked spacegodzilla. His reactions were also far more quicker than his ones in G91. G91 could have easily sent an energy surge to MKG when he was getting electrocuted, or used the nuclear pulse when he was getting stomped or bludgeon MKG when he was shot out of the sky. I take it that the godzilla in GAMTBFE might be the same as G91 but the ones after him were truly aggressive. Mostly because of Baby/Little godzilla.

About his hide. Well it took in some handful of the deadliest beams in the Heisei era to tear the later godzilla a new one. These beams make ghidorah's beam look like crap. Second to that, Godzilla had the toughest hide in Gvs Destroyah as the laser horn kitana did not damage him much.

Now you see, that is where you are wrong. For one Showa Ghidorah couldnt even come close to killing Showa Godzilla who is drastically weaker than Heisei Godzilla. Showa Ghidorah has beams that are totally useless that can't even hurt Anguirus. Heisei Ghidorah's beams caused huge explosions all over Heisei Goji. If it wasn't for the insane durability and regen that Heisei goji had he would have been in deep trouble.

Showa ghidorah was stronger in GVSG and Dam then any of his earlier showa incarnations. In gvsg, His beams caused alot of explosions around the buildings when he and gigan were destroying the city. Then there was this scene at the ending portion of the film in which one of his heads shoots at the ground near anguirus. The shot misses but anguiras flips and drops while doing his usual pain whining. SKG also survives getting body slammed multiple times by a godzilla 50% smaller then him(pointing at showa godzilla's strength). He also survives godzilla stomping on one of his heads as depicted by the stock cut from damm. About dam, well here is a topic with a lot of material on what I'am getting at:

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14104

Ofcourse we know that the Heisei version would obviously be more powerful but if you scale him down to about showa ghidorah's size, then there might be a slight marginal difference. HKG is somewhat a GKG for SKG.

Showa godzilla is not drastically weaker then Heisei godzilla, atleast the one from 85 to 91. He is not as powerful as him because:

-tougher hide
-Size
-Power of beam
-faster regeneration

But that could be compensated by:

-Faster speed
-Incredible strength (Watch him manhandle Titano, Megalon, Gigan, Mechagodzilla 75, Ghidorah and Hedorah )
-Agile (his famous drop kicks to Kong and megalon)
-Incredible durability (even after hedorah dismantled his regeneration, damaged his hands and busted his eye he continued to touch him and more ever shove his hand into that acidic goo of his). Also the electricity that dried hedorah did not even make him flinch.
-Intelligence (Heisei godzilla became intelligent from onwards GvsMG 93)
-Faster melee
-Reasonably protective hide (It took some hits from gigan's sharp claws to bust him open and that he continued to use his hands after hedorah transformed them into bones)

Yea? But if I remember the Goji from Gvs.Hedorah and Gigan is the exact same Goji from TOMG. He has the same blue breath and the same kung fu that he uses. No difference in beam power, no difference in strength, and he STILL almost lost to Gigan and Ghidorah and got thrashed by Hedorah. Actually none of that matters. Destroy All Monsters is considered to be the end of the Showa era for continuity purposes so your whole thing is moot since Goji's beam did jack in that fight.

Hedorah is not a joke bub. He can take out HKG without needing to be scaled. apart from HKG's low caliber beams, there is nothing he could do to him.

Like I said earlier, HKG is just a beefed up version of showa ghidorah. Scaled up 40 meters with somewhat better durability, beams and hide makes HKG more intimidating then his showa counter part.

Why not host a match for HKG vs Showa godzilla 1970-75 with showa godzilla scaled and find out what people really think about it, because you are wrong. HKG can beat showa ghidorah and maybe, just maybe Gigan because of his beams but not any of the showa power housers.

Forest? http://www.cathuria.com/bcd/GodzillavKingG.jpg Looks like they are fighting on a plain to me. Not many trees there so how is it a forest?

ok, so how is that exacly suppose to support whatever you had in mind?

Your right, but he already decimated the streets of a city earlier in teh movie if you recall.

SO WHAT??? where are we heading orga??

When he was off him. Heisei Goji has never been taken down at all. Nothing has ever slowed him down, and it is hard to break his bones. Hell Biollante jabbed a vine through an eariler Heisei Godzilla's hand. The moment he pulled the vine out he was fine and healed. When it comes to Heisei Goji his regen effects everything including the mending of bones much faster than nornal. So you really can't hold that against KG.

G91 got up right at the moment ghidorah touched the ground after the control was lost. Ghidorah's stomp had little effect on G91. Very little...

Yes

no, no and lets not forget....

no.

If he did that to any other Godzilla it would have ended right their.



While the choke has the potential to kill the other godzillas more then ghidorah's rather stupid stomp attack, There are some exceptions to this case Provided only if the other godzilla's are scaled to Heisei godzilla's size (Ghidorah won't be able to reach em if this is not true).

G2k for instance. He was getting digested in orga as orga was literally sucking the sap out of him, yet he blasted him with full charge. Kiryu godzilla could kick HKG if such situation arises just like how he did to kiryu when he was pumping electricity in him. Next comes GMK godzilla who has the tendency to withstand pain at extreme level for instance when his own beam busted right out from him. I'am not sure about showa godzilla though, he can pull off an attack on HKG if the choke is initiated seeing as to how he survived Hedorah's gas mass at the scene where hedorah was in his flying form. He also survived getting burried into the soil with Titano stomping on him while recovering from those nasty missles MG shoved into his chest.

You are right MG doesn't need to breath... But oh wait, how was he defeated the first time again? Thats right his head was ripped off. So if Ghidorah wraps his head around MG and squeezes maybe the hole head will just pop off or get crush, which ever. Not that MG has much durability anyway.


Firstly, MG's head was twisted off. Secondly ghidorah is going to feel MG's artillery at close range and is likely to loose a head. Third, MG is very durable.

I just said I wasn't going to check that horrid movie... But eitehr way he didn't get any damage at all. He may have been blasted but he was never shown to get a wound... untill JJ broke his arm that is.

Just because a beam does not leave any physical damage on an oppenent does not mean that they were not effective. When gigan was shot by the beam, he fell down being all dizzy.

being knocked down by a beam means something...

At least you say they aren't as strong. It is a start.:p Oh, and as for the bold... didn't I say the same thing with KG against Goji? And you just seemed to write it off?

About the write off, well I did that on purpose to reflect your cockyness in this debate.

No, I could care less about the choke. It isn't even going to need to come into play in this fight because MG would be in teh scrap heap before that would happen anyway.

No

Except Titano doesn't have anything that is going to register on KG at all. Only MG has anything that is even going to register on KG in this fight.

Everything is going to register into HKG's fat golden ***. By the time this match is over, HKG would loose one of his wings, his head and his partner.

WRONG! He was able to knock down Goji who is almost just as large as he is and he was smashed off the ground hard after that hit. Now imagine a mech that is not even going to weigh as much as Goji getting smashed off the ground? It is going to do a number on him big time.

Heisei godzilla is one of those kaijus in the heisei eras, who can very easily be knocked down by melee or beam force. HKG was able to knock him down easily because he rammed his legs into the upper portion of HKG's body, disrupting one of the principles of moments keeping him standing.

Where MG is concerned. He got rammed by a golem made out of gem or what so without a single scratch made.

Last time I checked that 'swoop attack' bashed Goji off the ground.


It is not what I would call bashing orga. When I say bashing, I mean hand to hand combat, or in showa ghidorah's case, head to hand combat. The swoop attack no matter how powerful you think, is not effective in this case as it could be evaded by fast kaijus or countered by aggressive kaijus with a hell lot of beams and weapons. MG possess both cases.

That is because of the electric beams... But then I remembered how horrid GMK Ghidorah's defense is... I conceed that fight. And actually outside of Grand and Heisei Ghidorah the other Ghidorah's stink and I hate them with a passion.

too bad. Those two are one of the most overrated kaijus I have seen besides spacegodzilla and Leo. I hate them with a passion. Maybe if people like you would stop overrating them so much would I develop respect for them. I mean, seriously Spacegodzilla's defeat in DD was rather uncalled for. Its a pitty Tom voted against him. I guess he wanted to save his favourite kaiju from getting bashed by everyone if he won the second time around.

*Sigh* So tell me then, how am I being dishonest?

Here is a good example:

No, it is just you underrate this Heisei powerhouse. You have no evidence to put forth that says he is weak.

Could'nt be more false than that.

End of Discussion.

What? Is that why Showa Goji lost to a cartoon cobra?

I was talking about this:

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14053&page=7

no offence but you were the one who started the churning out BS all over that topic, before the mothra supporters joined in.

You love HKG so much as to cross the border of overatting him but you degrade almost every showa showa kaiju there is and mechagodzilla in perticular over the fact you don't like them and go as far as to say they are overrated when they are not. That there is another reason why I'am labeling you as a "dishonest" person.