Saddam Hussein is gone.

[Cyndi]

He was hung on the gallows at 6 a.m. Baghdad time, 7 pm pacific time. It's probably still all over the news.

Funny how I can't bring myself to celebrate. As miserable and cruel a man he was, it's still a human life lost. But I AM happy for the people who are relieved that he's gone.

[Morgoth]

That's okay, I'll be happy for you. Good riddance to that scum.

[godofPH]

Funny how I can't bring myself to celebrate. As miserable and cruel a man he was, it's still a human life lost.

Look at the numbers for the people he killed/tortured, then you might feel a bit more inclined to celebrate...

[EternalMothra]

I'm glad he's gone, he inflicted so much death and harm upon people....:(

[Cyndi]

I'm glad those he killed now have justice in his death. I just hate that we have to resort to killing. I agree that he did deserve it, but that still doesn't make him any less human.

Like I said to EM in a chat we're having, I had a vision of a man hanging from a noose at the exact moment Saddam was executed, so I think part of me is just majorly creeped out by it all.

[Neo-Crucifer]

Huh? I thought he still had 30 days left?



EDIT: Nope, guess I was wrong, it's the 30 days that expired. It's almost hard to believe he's dead. Not that I want him alive... but it just feels so weird that he's finally been dispensed with. The same weird feeling I'll get when Osama kicks the bucket.

[Gorjirus]

No, it had to happen within 30 days. It wasn't scheduled so that he had 30 days left.

[Burkion]

He deserved worse.


Castration...

Bloodletting...

Tossing him nude into a bunch of half starved bores...

[OniGojira]

It's all over the news now. IMO the ******* is dead and getting boned by the devil and Hitler. :laugh: I see no remorse in saying sick things about people like him, he's done worse than saying things.

I saw a documentary that said he, Hitler, Stalin, and those like them became as nasty as they were from abusive childhoods by their stepfather or fathers. That was the cause of their brutal history.

[Neo-Crucifer]

Nothing wrong with hanging. For all the **** he's pulled in his miserable life, Saddam deserves... excuse me, deserved to suffocate. Assuming his neck didn't instantly snap, which would be a cop out.

[OniGojira]

Yeah, the screw up is you just put the guy in a sleeper hold and he'll wake up hours later. Decapitating him would have been better.

[Dr. Strangelove]

...

Yay. They made a martyr. They just signed their own death warrent. Now watch, as the Middle East errupts...

[EternalMothra]

...

Yay. They made a martyr. They just signed their own death warrent. Now watch, as the Middle East errupts...

Lets hope it doesn't come to that.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Lets hope it doesn't come to that.
Hey, you can hope whatever you want. I, however am hoping that it does happen. We're due for another mass-conflict..

[EternalMothra]

Well the Middle east can wipe themselves out as far as I'm concerned that seems to be where all the problems are coming from.

[Morgoth]

...

Yay. They made a martyr. They just signed their own death warrent. Now watch, as the Middle East errupts...

Not from that scum, he's as despised by those wack-jobs even more than we are. If it was Osama, then you'd be right, but there aren't too many people who are going to be bent out of shape that Saddam's gone. Not until several decades pass and folks forget what a stupid, brutal moron he was. Rather like folks who emulate Hitler these days...

[Dr. Strangelove]

Not from that scum, he's as despised by those wack-jobs even more than we are. If it was Osama, then you'd be right, but there aren't too many people who are going to be bent out of shape that Saddam's gone. Not until several decades pass and folks forget what a stupid, brutal moron he was. Rather like folks who emulate Hitler these days...
Eh, Saddam still has followers. The fact he died by hanging...makes for great propaganda. "He died fighting the Western Infidels". Thus...well, he'll become like "The Alamo" for the US.

[EternalMothra]

Eh, Saddam still has followers. The fact he died by hanging...makes for great propaganda. "He died fighting the Western Infidels". Thus...well, he'll become like "The Alamo" for the US.

Let them deal with their problems I say. ;)

[Seer235]

I gotta agree with Morgoth here. Especially because he didn't die "fighting western infidels." He hid in a hole, got caught, tried in his own country, then was hung. And who's going to champion him? Clearly not the Shiite, and I doubt the Sunnis want to be associated with him.

[EternalMothra]

And besides, they technically killed him not us.

[Morgoth]

Eh, Saddam still has followers. The fact he died by hanging...makes for great propaganda. "He died fighting the Western Infidels". Thus...well, he'll become like "The Alamo" for the US.

How does death by hanging equal western infidels? That's how they execute people in Islamic countries!!! Unless you're a woman, then they stone you. If he'd gone to the gas chamber or some such silliness, then you'd have a case, but he wasn't. He was offed in tried and true Moslem fashion.

[Burkion]

Unless this was back in Old West times...


Heh, that would have been a funny death for teh *******; stoning.

[Gorjirus]

Well, now that the dawn is new, I think that it is a great thing. One less of them.

And I do kinda agree with Doc. If there was another mass conflict, it could possibly solve some problems.

Though, if the whole ME did start fighting each other like they want to without UN or US meddling, that would make for some great television.

[Goji Son]

The fact that his death comes at a time when Iraq is torn between civil war, terrorism, and enforced diplomacy really makes it all seem insignificant if you ask me. But that's just my opinion.

[Raptor]

The fact that his death comes at a time when Iraq is torn between civil war, terrorism, and enforced diplomacy really makes it all seem insignificant if you ask me.What I'm seeing is sure and SWIFT justice myself. Look how long convicted murderers sentenced to die in the U.S. draw out their continued existance. :angry:

[Neo-Crucifer]

Unfortunately, Saddam died instantly ("a blink of the eye"). He went out in typical Saddam fashion- arguing with his guards, carrying a Qur'an to the gallows, and mocking Muqtada al-Sadr with his last breath. Witnesses conflict to whether he was scared or not.



After Saddam died, people danced around his body. Heh, figures.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I'm looking for the bloody video..

I want to watch the Death Stroke of the American Occupation of Iraq, and the middle east as a whole...

[Goji Son]

What I'm seeing is sure and SWIFT justice myself. Look how long convicted murderers sentenced to die in the U.S. draw out their continued existance. :angry:

Not saying that it was an injustice that he was hanged, just insignificant. What's the use when Iraq is worse off now than when he was in power?

[godofPH]

Look how long convicted murderers sentenced to die in the U.S. draw out their continued existance. :angry:

Oh yes, using taxpayers money to get top-rate educations and having expensive chefs brought in to make their last meals (which would cost a mint if bought at a restaurant) when they're just going to be deader than a carp eventually.

[KAMERUS88]

Got what he deserved no doubt about it, however the region is most likely going to go even further into the blood shed than it already is now, the Sunnies and Shiites are going to tear the middle east down with their struggles, its going to be very bad there.

[EternalMothra]

Saddam was stubborn and resiliant even at the bitter end:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061231/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam

[Kaiser Kronos]

I'm looking for the bloody video..

I want to watch the Death Stroke of the American Occupation of Iraq, and the middle east as a whole...

Oh, bah humbug. Moment we withdraw from Iraq, the world goes up in smoke anyway. The middle east won't be ALL that goes...


especially if Kim Jong Il attacks us or the South Koreans. Bring on the Nukes!:dead::skull:

[Dr. Strangelove]

Oh, bah humbug. Moment we withdraw from Iraq, the world goes up in smoke anyway. The middle east won't be ALL that goes...


especially if Kim Jong Il attacks us or the South Koreans. Bring on the Nukes!:dead::skull:
...no, not quite. I'll make it simple.

For the "Enemy", the US = Bad guy. They hate us. They hate us more than they hate each other. Guess what that means? They'll stop gutting each other to gut us. And guess what else? Americans are gutless, and stupid. We can't take large numbers of our soldiers dieing. The Japanese knew that, they just didn't have enough time. These Islamic Extremists are just like the Japanese in mind. The difference comes in with their tactics. They won't run at us with swords...they'll run at us with Ak-47s and bombs strapped to them. They can multiply their destructive potential by leaps and bounds simply by infecting their men with small pox, or Avian Flu. Or hell, they don't even need to use suicide attacks. Soak the shrapnell in IEDs in Small Pox and or some other virus. The soldiers hit are sent back home, simply because they've been hit pretty hard. They see their familys...it spreads. Their children go to school and infect them. The school children go home, infect their parents, who infect their work place...

There, you've just caused an epidemic in one of the world's two super-powers. Odds are good some of them will be on planes to other countries before it's caught...and guess who one of our biggest trading parteners is? CHINA. There, you've infected the other super-power, and the most populas nation on the planet. And pretty soon, you'd have infected a good deal of the world. Pulling out might save billions...

But oh no, Mr. Patriot here wants to "Stay the Course". Feh.

[Goji Son]

Yeah... too bad small pox can be vaccinated... and avian flu is not as lethal as people think, in fact, with proper care it can be cured. Plus, their stint in the hospital will be long enough that symptoms will show of said illness.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yeah... too bad small pox can be vaccinated... and avian flu is not as lethal as people think, in fact, with proper care it can be cured. Plus, their stint in the hospital will be long enough that symptoms will show of said illness.
That doesn't matter. Family and friends will visit them..

[Goji Son]

That doesn't matter. Family and friends will visit them..

I don't think they allow family visits on enemy territory or even in the European countries they are sent to and stay for quite awhile.

[Gorjirus]

...no, not quite. I'll make it simple.

For the "Enemy", the US = Bad guy. They hate us. They hate us more than they hate each other. Guess what that means? They'll stop gutting each other to gut us. And guess what else? Americans are gutless, and stupid. We can't take large numbers of our soldiers dieing. The Japanese knew that, they just didn't have enough time. These Islamic Extremists are just like the Japanese in mind. The difference comes in with their tactics. They won't run at us with swords...they'll run at us with Ak-47s and bombs strapped to them. They can multiply their destructive potential by leaps and bounds simply by infecting their men with small pox, or Avian Flu. Or hell, they don't even need to use suicide attacks. Soak the shrapnell in IEDs in Small Pox and or some other virus. The soldiers hit are sent back home, simply because they've been hit pretty hard. They see their familys...it spreads. Their children go to school and infect them. The school children go home, infect their parents, who infect their work place...

There, you've just caused an epidemic in one of the world's two super-powers. Odds are good some of them will be on planes to other countries before it's caught...and guess who one of our biggest trading parteners is? CHINA. There, you've infected the other super-power, and the most populas nation on the planet. And pretty soon, you'd have infected a good deal of the world. Pulling out might save billions...

But oh no, Mr. Patriot here wants to "Stay the Course". Feh.

I do not understand you.

In one post, you rip on how gutless the US is (I agree), but also show discontent for the person who isn't.

What gives?

[Morgoth]

I think the funniest thing in the world would be for some of these Islamic wack-jobs to screw with China. That would be their last mistake. Unlike the US, China does not piss around with all this 'win their hearts and minds' crap and sure as hell doesn't give a fart what France or anybody else thinks of them. Yeah, go ahead, try pushing around the infidels in China. Next thing you know, Mecca is a glowing crater and the Palestinians have a new homeland somewhere in orbit. Much as I despise communism, in one respect they have their heads screwed on right - **** with us and we kill you, your children, your grandchildren, we burn your house down, kick your dog and castrate your father. Unfortunately, the west has grown soft and feeble. I hate to agree with Dr S, but he's right, most Americans have become gutless swine, too stupid to remember the last time 'peace at any price' was the watchword. That mentality grew into a little thing called WWII. Despite what the bleeding hearts like to spout there ARE evil people in the world, there ARE beliefs and cultures that are despicable and intolerable, there ARE men who cannot be reasoned with, who respect nothing except fear. This militant wack-job Moslem element is one such abomination - they've hijacked the entire religion and turned the clock back 700 years. They could not be reasoned with then, they can't be reasoned with now.

[Gorjirus]

They could not be reasoned with then, they can't be reasoned with now

But for some reason, there seems to be alot of people that seemed damned determine to try.

And I fear that we are going to get totally screwed for it. (Though I think it would be hilarious if they would actually try to try a ground attack on US soil. They can run around all they want and blow people up in the ME, but if they tried it in the SE US, they would all get shot on sight.)

[Saruman]

For the "Enemy", the US = Bad guy. They hate us. They hate us more than they hate each other. Guess what that means? They'll stop gutting each other to gut us.

This would be where you are completely wrong. They hate noone more than their own people. The US just gives them something else to rebel against, but they still hate each other more than anyone else and that is the overriding factor that creates almost all of the problem in that part of the world. Who do you think all of these suicide bombers are targeting? The US troops? Sorry but no, they are targeting their own people, our troops are mainly just getting caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Do you think Iran, Syria and Lebanon are helping to stabalize the region and drive us out? Again no they aren't, if anything they are doing more to continue the chaos in the region. They sure as hell aren't getting together to drive out the US like in your delusion. They couldn't get together to remove Israel from the picture, you actually think they will get together because of us? Your out of your mind if you actually think that.

[Morgoth]

But for some reason, there seems to be alot of people that seemed damned determine to try.

That's the peace at any price crowd. You know, the ones who gave Austria and Czechoslovakia away to the Nazis in the delusion that Hitler would be content and not start any problems.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I think the funniest thing in the world would be for some of these Islamic wack-jobs to screw with China. That would be their last mistake. Unlike the US, China does not piss around with all this 'win their hearts and minds' crap and sure as hell doesn't give a fart what France or anybody else thinks of them. Yeah, go ahead, try pushing around the infidels in China. Next thing you know, Mecca is a glowing crater and the Palestinians have a new homeland somewhere in orbit. Much as I despise communism, in one respect they have their heads screwed on right - **** with us and we kill you, your children, your grandchildren, we burn your house down, kick your dog and castrate your father. Unfortunately, the west has grown soft and feeble. I hate to agree with Dr S, but he's right, most Americans have become gutless swine, too stupid to remember the last time 'peace at any price' was the watchword. That mentality grew into a little thing called WWII. Despite what the bleeding hearts like to spout there ARE evil people in the world, there ARE beliefs and cultures that are despicable and intolerable, there ARE men who cannot be reasoned with, who respect nothing except fear. This militant wack-job Moslem element is one such abomination - they've hijacked the entire religion and turned the clock back 700 years. They could not be reasoned with then, they can't be reasoned with now.
Ah yes, the mighty sleeping dragon. But, I was not implying them actually attacking China directly. A small pox break out that, due to our mass-transportation systems, spreads around the world in a matter of weeks. This brings up a good question- Why the hell hasn't the extremist tried some of these ideas? Coat the bloody shrapnel in vairious diseases, and when they explode...you're screwed. Biological warfare at it's finest. Cheap, effective, and merciless. Surely, if they could organize planes flying into buildings, they could start coating their IEDs in biological agents.

[Gorjirus]

Because, as someone else stated, small pox has a vaccine. In fact, pretty much every American is vaccinated for small pox. It's one of the shots you get before you leave the hospital.

And most of the IED just affect people from that country, not US troops. Which means, that they would ALSO get the disease. And if I remember correctly, dieing from a disease doesn't quite hold the glory of dieing from a suicide bomb.

[EternalMothra]

Ah yes, the mighty sleeping dragon. But, I was not implying them actually attacking China directly. A small pox break out that, due to our mass-transportation systems, spreads around the world in a matter of weeks. This brings up a good question- Why the hell hasn't the extremist tried some of these ideas? Coat the bloody shrapnel in vairious diseases, and when they explode...you're screwed. Biological warfare at it's finest. Cheap, effective, and merciless. Surely, if they could organize planes flying into buildings, they could start coating their IEDs in biological agents.

Because they must have some sense in them that it may kill them too.

[Saruman]

Ah yes, the mighty sleeping dragon. But, I was not implying them actually attacking China directly. A small pox break out that, due to our mass-transportation systems, spreads around the world in a matter of weeks. This brings up a good question- Why the hell hasn't the extremist tried some of these ideas? Coat the bloody shrapnel in vairious diseases, and when they explode...you're screwed. Biological warfare at it's finest. Cheap, effective, and merciless. Surely, if they could organize planes flying into buildings, they could start coating their IEDs in biological agents.

It's called control, once they release a disease they have no control over where it spreads making themselves vulnerable to it as well. If they have a cure for it you can bet that it's something everyone has a cure for. In this case the "Idea" is more useful to the terrorists then the actual disease.

[Morgoth]

Because they must have some sense in them that it may kill them too.

Inconsequential to this vermin. Remember, if you die and take a bunch of infidels with you, Allah sets you up in some sleezy speak-easy. Pretty neat trick they used in the Middle Ages to get that kind of fanatacism - they'd drug a new convert and while he was out cold they'd hustle him off to a walled garden with beautiful women, rich wines, etc. At some point, the women would drug the dope again, he'd be hustled back to the first place and when he woke up, the guy who arranged the whole thing would claim the moron had had a vision of heaven. After that, death didn't hold to much fear for these guys. Of course, the modern variety of nutjob doesn't even need that much evidence to go off on a blood-crazed jihad.

[Burkion]

OK, I'd swear to GOD I've heard this before.

[Goji Son]

OK, I'd swear to GOD I've heard this before.

It's been the same conversation for the last several centuries.

[Morgoth]

Somebody sent me a PM asking about 'racist' statements. OK, just so I can be crystal to anybody who is wants to read things into statements that aren't there: 1. we are discussing the fundamentalist nut-wack faction of Islam (which is NOT something so easily broken into sects like Sunni, Shia, or Yezdi, every sect has its own rabid loons). 2. Islam is a religion, not a freaking race. What a person thinks and believes is completely different from what the color of their skin or the blood in their veins looks like. If you want to use invective, at least use it properly.

[Gorjirus]

OK, I'd swear to GOD I've heard this before.

Didn't you tell that happened to you once?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Inconsequential to this vermin. Remember, if you die and take a bunch of infidels with you, Allah sets you up in some sleezy speak-easy. Pretty neat trick they used in the Middle Ages to get that kind of fanatacism - they'd drug a new convert and while he was out cold they'd hustle him off to a walled garden with beautiful women, rich wines, etc. At some point, the women would drug the dope again, he'd be hustled back to the first place and when he woke up, the guy who arranged the whole thing would claim the moron had had a vision of heaven. After that, death didn't hold to much fear for these guys. Of course, the modern variety of nutjob doesn't even need that much evidence to go off on a blood-crazed jihad.
Eh..I'll give them this- Their version of heaven rocks. I mean...screw streets of gold and rivers of milk and honey. Atleast Islam knows what people really want..

[Morgoth]

Bah, I'd go for Valhalla before their ideas of the afterlife.

[Burkion]

I'm with Clint on Vallahlla.


EIther that, or my own personal heaven.


...either way, I win.

[Cole Deschain]

Bah, I'd go for Valhalla before their ideas of the afterlife.


HELL yes.

Fighting, feasting, and Valkyries.

EVERY DAY.

[Zigra]

Fighting, feasting, and Valkyries.

Except I don't think you get to do anything with the Valkyries.:bored: That, and I only get pleasure from fighting when I'm beating the snot out of somebody who is completely worthless, and those who are worthy to make it to Valhalla can't be considered worthless.

[godofPH]

Anyone catch the video of Saddam's death circulating the internet? I watched it at Google Video. The cameraman who filmed it couldn't film his way out of an outhouse (2 minutes of the 3 minute video is spent looking at the floor, pretty much). But the moment when they drop him...much more satisfying than watching the Ball drop at Times Square....