Rate Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla on a Scale from 1-10 [Archive]

biochemitra

February 18th, 2007, 05:02 PM

5. The message doesn't make a lick of sense. Stop polluting space? What the heck? What are we gonna do? Will our garbage kill off all the space trees? Will our soda rings strangle spacebirds? Will we kill all life that flourishes in the magnificent cold depths?
The human element isn't exactly intriguing either. I can see where it would be interesting to try and keep Godzilla alive, but it's one life weighed against the thousands he routinely kills. Frankly, were I not biased towards Godzilla, I'd side with G-force's angle.
The battles are ok, but frankly too beamy. Spacegodzilla himself, from the neck down, may very well be the most poorly designed, childish creation Toho has ever tried to put onscreen. He has the origin of a horrid genetic mutation like Biollante, albeit lord knows how much more ridiculous, and considering his mutation origin, his body is FAR too neat and stable looking. I mean he's the dark Godzilla, or at least he's supposed to be. It'd have been more effective in giving him humongous and wild crystaline dorsal plates. Would also give him functioning arms.
His powers are far too all over the place too, lacking any overall theme to tie them together. He uses cosmic energy to do it all, we know that much and nothing more.

Frankly, the only real saving grace is that it includes characters that I've at least grown fond of, namely Godzilla, Junior and Miki, and that it has beautiful environments like Birth Island and the crystaline fortress.
Well, the music was also lovely. SG's theme at least sounds ominous and evil, though a little campy. Youknow, unintentionally.
It had potential, let there be no doubt, but it's easily my least favorite of the era.

EternalMothra

February 18th, 2007, 08:22 PM

I loved the love story in this movie. We do not typically find these types of stories in kaiju movies, so it was a good little addition to it. I also loved how Miki expanded the use of her powers all the way to using telekinesis, I thought it was so cool!

OniGojira

February 18th, 2007, 08:34 PM

I read in the book Japan's favorite Monstar that this movie is a love story.

EternalMothra

February 18th, 2007, 08:37 PM

Have you seen this movie yet, Oni?

Cole Deschain

February 18th, 2007, 09:06 PM

5.

I would've gone lower, but it's not really BORING...

Just lame.

Saruman

February 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM

4. This should be much lower considering how many times I have been forced to endure this movie simply because Tom has some abnormal infatuation thing going on with SG.;)

EternalMothra

February 18th, 2007, 09:33 PM

Lmfao! I'm sure Toho could have done better with it.

Godzilla63

February 18th, 2007, 10:54 PM

I chose 9. For some reason I like it.

EternalMothra

February 18th, 2007, 11:13 PM

What did you like about it? :)

Godzilla63

February 19th, 2007, 09:35 AM

I thought spacegodzilla was a good idea, and that Toho decieded to throw in a little more action with a gunfight, like in Ghidorah.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah, the gun fight was interesting indeed! :)

The only iff I have about this movie, is its final battle. To be honest, the first half of the final battle I thought was very boring.

Space Rodan

February 19th, 2007, 09:39 AM

I give this movie an 8, it has an interesting story and musical score. I love how this movie kinda relates to Goji vs. Bio and Mothra.

Godzilla63

February 19th, 2007, 09:40 AM

When those dudes on the island were going after godzilla it was sort of funny!

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM

I'm not as forgiving as Cole and Saruman in this case. The movie is a giant pile of ****. The movie destroys any sanity left, and it probably has been known to give people seizures with its 45 minute long Beam War. The characters are dull and boring. They are all well past useless, and the pilots of MOGUERA are THE most inept pilots in any other movie I can think of. The graphics are horrid (good job with that space battle Toho...), and there was no reason for making little Goji like Minya II. I hate this movie. The only saving grace of the movie is the awesome MOGUERA. So it at least get a point for that.

2/10

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 09:44 AM

I agree with the beam war concept of yours, Orga, but I do think the characters are interesting, they are the most developed charcaters I have seen in almost any Goji movie.

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 09:49 AM

I agree with the beam war concept of yours, Orga, but I do think the characters are interesting, they are the most developed charcaters I have seen in almost any Goji movie.

I didn't say they weren't developed. I said they were useless and boring as well as stupid. The plot was a giant mess and 99.9% of the stuff should have been left OUT of the movie. Personally I don't CARE for a love story in a Goji movie, or about the usless scene with Miki getting captured and rescued, or the ENTIRE part with trying to control Godzilla. All of it is just a bunch of random crap thrown together at the last minute forming, well, crap.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 09:50 AM

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 10:01 AM

Well, I'm sorry human developement and participation in the story doesn't interest you. The way I look at it, all of that controlling stuff just provided the human ideals of wanting to control everything in their foolishness. The love between Miki and Shinjo I imagine was put in to display the distinguishing relation between their views. Miki loved Godzilla, didn't want to control him, Koji hated Goji and wanted to destroy him.

No, human development is VERY important for me in order to sit through a Godzilla movie... But when it is done as bad as it was in GvsSG, it makes the movie unwatchable. They did better with the development in evey other Heisei film including BFE and MGII both of which I hate, just not as much as SG... And the control part is still useless, it served no bearing on the 'plot' (or lack there of) at all. And the love relationship is still stupid. It has no place in a Godzilla movie, especially when you could care less about the characters involved in the movie. Even Miki came off as no better than annoying in this movie, and I think her character is one of the best characters in the movies. These are the same problems I have with GFW and why I can't watch it. Usless crap thrown together in an already screwed up plot line.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 10:03 AM

No, human development is VERY important for me in order to sit through a Godzilla movie... But when it is done as bad as it was in GvsSG, it makes the movie unwatchable. They did better with the development in evey other Heisei film including BFE and MGII both of which I hate, just not as much as SG... And the control part is still useless, it served no bearing on the 'plot' (or lack there of) at all. And the love relationship is still stupid. It has no place in a Godzilla movie, especially when you could care less about the characters involved in the movie. Even Miki came off as no better than annoying in this movie, and I think her character is one of the best characters in the movies. These are the same problems I have with GFW and why I can't watch it. Usless crap thrown together in an already screwed up plot line.

The control part provides for the plot because the Cosmos informed Miki that GOji was Earth's last hope of defeating SG since Mothra was gone. If she didn't volunteer to control Goji, he would not have pursued Spacegodzilla, and it provides the very reason why she removed the telepathic device from the back of his head at the end.

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 10:07 AM

The control part provides for the plot because the Cosmos informed Miki that GOji was Earth's last hope of defeating SG since Mothra was gone. If she didn't volunteer to control Goji, he would not have pursued Spacegodzilla, and it provides the very reason why she removed the telepathic device from the back of his head at the end.

What are you talking about? The giant beam spammer attacked Goji's kid, he was going to go after SG no matter what anyway! And the control was screwed up, so Miki didn't even SEND Goji to attack SG.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 11:15 AM

What are you talking about? The giant beam spammer attacked Goji's kid, he was going to go after SG no matter what anyway! And the control was screwed up, so Miki didn't even SEND Goji to attack SG.

What do you think Miki did while she was captured. She was sending a psychic message to Godzilla because she knew that SG was prowling about. That's why that scientist dude freaked out, his plans of controlling Godzilla (for power) were messed up.

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 11:34 AM

What do you think Miki did while she was captured. She was sending a psychic message to Godzilla because she knew that SG was prowling about. That's why that scientist dude freaked out, his plans of controlling Godzilla (for power) were messed up.

I don't recall that ever being explained. Nor did I ever get that impression. The scientist dude was freaking out because freaking Space Godzilla screws with electronics and it messed up the machine.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 03:12 PM

I don't recall that ever being explained. Nor did I ever get that impression. The scientist dude was freaking out because freaking Space Godzilla screws with electronics and it messed up the machine.

Well, when he tells Miki to send Godzilla a message, we see Godzilla rise from the ocean and then dive back under. Then later on, Miki says that Godzilla is headed for Fukuoka. ;)

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 05:01 PM

Well, when he tells Miki to send Godzilla a message, we see Godzilla rise from the ocean and then dive back under. Then later on, Miki says that Godzilla is headed for Fukuoka. ;)

Maybe. Or it could have been what she read in his mind. And the part was still useless. Godzilla always finds the bad guy he wants to fight anyway, so it wasn't needed and the scene was... well, stupid.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 05:07 PM

Maybe. Or it could have been what she read in his mind. And the part was still useless. Godzilla always finds the bad guy he wants to fight anyway, so it wasn't needed and the scene was... well, stupid.

Godzilla didn't seem to be pursing anything but the ocean until Miki contacted him. Before she did so he was way out in the ocean. (look at the map the mafia has, Goji is not moving at all on it) Until Miki contacts him, he is not pursuing SpaceGodzilla at all whatsoever.

SuperXAsh

February 19th, 2007, 05:33 PM

I chose 6, it's an OK movie, but the movie as a whole felt rushed. There are a few good scenes here and there, like SpaceGodzilla choosing the location of his fortress, and the final battle of course. But the rest kinda... well... stinks.

The plot just seemed slapped together, Little Godzilla was obviously just there to be cute and sell toys/dolls/shirts/etc., Miki's character suffers as well, the sudden appearance of those showa-style 70's outfits that Miki and the other female wear for no reason (I mean wtf??), Miki's powers suddenly verging on an almost Jean Grey level, and the fact that this movie seems to have no meaning or bearing at all on the entire series whatsoever, because everything that is shown in this seems to have been thrown out the window by the next installment.

While not a terrible movie, it's not the best either.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 06:01 PM

Little Godzilla was obviously just there to be cute and sell toys/dolls/shirts/etc.,

Wouldn't it be logical for him to be in the movie, it would be silly to have Baby Godzilla in the last episode and suddenly make him disappear in the next one.

Orga777

February 19th, 2007, 06:33 PM

Wouldn't it be logical for him to be in the movie, it would be silly to have Baby Godzilla in the last episode and suddenly make him disappear in the next one.

How about NOT make him look like Minya II then. Actually, they should have just NOT have made the movie in the first place. You can completely skip it and nothing happens with the plot line of the Heisei era at all.

Zigra

February 19th, 2007, 06:37 PM

I gave it a 7. I have none of the venom that many others seem to have for this film. Storyline-wise, it's rather enjoyable, and Spacegodzilla is a cool monster. However, when the special effects look no better than the movies from the 60s and 70s, something is horribly wrong.

Steve

February 19th, 2007, 06:47 PM

I give it a 4. GvsSG practically screams "LOL I AM FILLER" at the top of its lungs. GvsSG is *terrible*, even by Godzilla movie standards- it's not just bad, it's boring.

Plenty of Godzilla movies are terrible, but still manage to be entertaining; I wouldn't rate a single one of 'em after G54 to be a *good* movie per se. GvsSG could have been one of those "So terrible it's funny" sorts of movies like Vs Hedorah, Vs Megalon, Revenge, Final Wars, etc. Butno... Spacegodzilla was just *bland*. Nothing about it is even the slightest bit remarkable or entertaining; the acting was bland, the story was bland. Moguera looked like a damn robot penguin, Spacegodzilla is the lamest antagonist to have graced a Godzilla movie and lacked any kind of menace or screen presence and Godzilla himself seemed like he was just doing this movie to pay the bills. The pacing is anemic; the movie crawls along at a snail's pace, and the final battle was horribly anticlimactic and way too damn long.

I often find myself at odds with the fandom when it comes to Godzilla, but in Spacegodzilla's case I agree wholeheartedly. Definately the worst of the Heisei series, and one of the lamest Godzilla movies, period.

EternalMothra

February 19th, 2007, 11:24 PM

How about NOT make him look like Minya II then. Actually, they should have just NOT have made the movie in the first place. You can completely skip it and nothing happens with the plot line of the Heisei era at all.

He does not look at all like Minya. Just because something is cute, doesn't make it Minya automatically.....Little Godzilla greatly effects the plot line of Godzilla vs. Destoroyah my friend. ;)

Orga777

February 20th, 2007, 09:42 AM

He does not look at all like Minya. Just because something is cute, doesn't make it Minya automatically.....Little Godzilla greatly effects the plot line of Godzilla vs. Destoroyah my friend. ;)

No, he is Minya II. He blew bubbles at the end if you remember, and it was obvious by the way he acted around the humans and other moments when it was OBVIOUS it was exactly like Minya.

And no, it DIDN'T play any importance to Godzilla vs, Destroyah. Baby came in MGII. It would have worked fine if they skipped a year and THEN did Destroyah. The island blows up, Baby absorbs radiation, blah blah blah. And you get the movie. Actually SG gave inconstancies with Destroyah. Miki said she was losing her powers for some time in Destroyah, but yet in the previous movie (SG) she showed her powers were now UBERZ with new telekinetic powers, which were of course ridiculous for the character to have since she NEVER displayed that power before, and funny enough, didn't display it in Destroyah either. Steve hit it on the head with it being Filler, because that is all SG is. A giant Filler movie that does nothing to enhance the on going plot line of the Heisei series.

EternalMothra

February 20th, 2007, 10:05 AM

No, he is Minya II. He blew bubbles at the end if you remember, and it was obvious by the way he acted around the humans and other moments when it was OBVIOUS it was exactly like Minya.

And no, it DIDN'T play any importance to Godzilla vs, Destroyah. Baby came in MGII. It would have worked fine if they skipped a year and THEN did Destroyah. The island blows up, Baby absorbs radiation, blah blah blah. And you get the movie. Actually SG gave inconstancies with Destroyah. Miki said she was losing her powers for some time in Destroyah, but yet in the previous movie (SG) she showed her powers were now UBERZ with new telekinetic powers, which were of course ridiculous for the character to have since she NEVER displayed that power before, and funny enough, didn't display it in Destroyah either. Steve hit it on the head with it being Filler, because that is all SG is. A giant Filler movie that does nothing to enhance the on going plot line of the Heisei series.

Miki said she had the power, she just never tried it before. You really need to watch the movies over again, Orga. I know you think it sucks, but sometimes it is necessary.

Another reason why Jr. plays a large role in Destoroyah is because he lours Godzilla to Destoroyah. Remember, Goji follows Jr., ring a bell?

Orga777

February 20th, 2007, 10:50 AM

Miki said she had the power, she just never tried it before. You really need to watch the movies over again, Orga. I know you think it sucks, but sometimes it is necessary.

Yea right... It is called Deus Ex Machina. And it STILL doesn't change the fact that skipping SG entirely doesn't hurt the plot in any sort of way.

Another reason why Jr. plays a large role in Destoroyah is because he lours Godzilla to Destoroyah. Remember, Goji follows Jr., ring a bell?

....What are you talking about? I will quote myself, read carefully.

Baby came in MGII. It would have worked fine if they skipped a year and THEN did Destroyah. The island blows up, Baby absorbs radiation, blah blah blah. And you get the movie.

EternalMothra

February 20th, 2007, 03:18 PM

Yea right... It is called Deus Ex Machina. And it STILL doesn't change the fact that skipping SG entirely doesn't hurt the plot in any sort of way.

So as I take it you do not like detail to your plots? From what it sounds.

....What are you talking about? I will quote myself, read carefully.

You were saying before, that Little Godzilla was useless. I said that it showed his growing process into a teenager because he plays a vital role in the next movie, it isn't brain surgery.

Megabyte

February 20th, 2007, 03:23 PM

I'd give it a 4.
SpaceGodzilla is pretty cool and Hattori's score is actually catchy, but that's really about it.

EternalMothra

February 20th, 2007, 03:24 PM

I do love his score. The different themes in the movie are very nice. :)

Jet Jaguar

February 20th, 2007, 08:14 PM

I give it a 6

For all the right and wrong reasons

Orga777

February 20th, 2007, 08:34 PM

So as I take it you do not like detail to your plots? From what it sounds.

LMAO! Saying SG has plot is an oxy-moron as far as I am concered. There WAS no plot in that movie.

You were saying before, that Little Godzilla was useless. I said that it showed his growing process into a teenager because he plays a vital role in the next movie, it isn't brain surgery.

No, I said the MOVIE was useless and could be skiped with NO damage done to the plot line. And they didn't NEED to show any development for baby since he didn't NEED it anyway.

EternalMothra

February 20th, 2007, 09:11 PM

LMAO! Saying SG has plot is an oxy-moron as far as I am concered. There WAS no plot in that movie.

There was a plot good heavens, I think you are exaggurating just a tad little bit.

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 08:32 AM

There was a plot good heavens, I think you are exaggurating just a tad little bit.

Really? What was it?:eh:

EternalMothra

February 21st, 2007, 08:36 AM

Really? What was it?:eh:

It ties in with past movies mainly Mothra and Biollante and continues it, saying pretty much what happened (Goji's cells going into space, and forming into a new creature) then the rest of the movie is centered on preventing the Earth from being conquered by him.

I guess my question is, why do you think the plot sucks? It looks pretty sensible to me.

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 08:51 AM

It ties in with past movies mainly Mothra and Biollante and continues it, saying pretty much what happened (Goji's cells going into space, and forming into a new creature) then the rest of the movie is centered on preventing the Earth from being conquered by him.

I guess my question is, why do you think the plot sucks? It looks pretty sensible to me.

Wow, so a giant monster comes from space... and attacks earth... Is that it? I saw it about 100 times now, and all done better. Even Hedorah was done better.

The plot sucks because it doesn't make any sense at all. Things are thrown together randomly in places they shouldn't be in. Miki's UBERPWNZOR powers being thrown in for no reason, lousy human intereaction that means absolutly nothing, and when there is close to a 45 minute long final battle it is hard to get a plot when that is about 1/3 of the damn movie. Oh, and because it is practically useless and not needed for the plot line of the Heisei era. It is just something to fill in slot that is not needed inbetween MGII and Destroyah.

EternalMothra

February 21st, 2007, 08:53 AM

Wow, so a giant monster comes from space... and attacks earth... Is that it? I saw it about 100 times now, and all done better. Even Hedorah was done better.

The plot sucks because it doesn't make any sense at all. Things are thrown together randomly in places they shouldn't be in. Miki's UBERPWNZOR powers being thrown in for no reason, lousy human intereaction that means absolutly nothing, and when there is close to a 45 minute long final battle it is hard to get a plot when that is about 1/3 of the damn movie. Oh, and because it is practically useless and not needed for the plot line of the Heisei era. It is just something to fill in slot that is not needed inbetween MGII and Destroyah.

HAHA...wow. Making it make sense is not brain surgery. Miki's powers were far from uber, she always had that telepathic power, she has used it throughout the Heisei series. What is wrong with expanding that a little bit into telekinesis?

Now I do agree with you about the final battle....it was a tad bit too long, and useless. As for not needing it for the plot line of the Heisei series, that would be wrong again....it shows Godzilla's further advance into his meltdown stage.

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 09:01 AM

HAHA...wow. Making it make sense is not brain surgery. Miki's powers were far from uber, she always had that telepathic power, she has used it throughout the Heisei series. What is wrong with expanding that a little bit into telekinesis?

What is wrong with it? I will tell you. It DOESN'T make sense! THAT is what is wrong with it. Telepathy is fine, but when you add a power, for only ONE movie for NO reason AT ALL, there is a problem with the writing. All it was is a plot device. She might as well have been blowing up peoples heads while she was at it, at east then it would have been cooler.

Now I do agree with you about the final battle....it was a tad bit too long, and useless. As for not needing it for the plot line of the Heisei series, that would be wrong again....it shows Godzilla's further advance into his meltdown stage.

Really now? I do NOT remember Godzilla absorbing any radiation in SG. HE absorbed radiation in KG, he absorbed radiation in MGII, and finally in Destroyah he absorbed so much he melted down. SO no, it didn't show Goji's advancement further to meltdown.

EternalMothra

February 21st, 2007, 09:14 AM

What is wrong with it? I will tell you. It DOESN'T make sense! THAT is what is wrong with it. Telepathy is fine, but when you add a power, for only ONE movie for NO reason AT ALL, there is a problem with the writing. All it was is a plot device. She might as well have been blowing up peoples heads while she was at it, at east then it would have been cooler.

OMG, raising a bed off from the floor is really a drastic change...wow! *sarcasm*

Really now? I do NOT remember Godzilla absorbing any radiation in SG. HE absorbed radiation in KG, he absorbed radiation in MGII, and finally in Destroyah he absorbed so much he melted down. SO no, it didn't show Goji's advancement further to meltdown.

The characters you hate so much even said that Godzilla was absorbing energy right before he killed Spacegodzilla.

biochemitra

February 21st, 2007, 10:03 AM

Orga, if nothing else, you have to consider Birth Island an extremely important factor in Godzilla's history.

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 10:07 AM

OMG, raising a bed off from the floor is really a drastic change...wow! *sarcasm*

It was still pointless and not needed. She never showed that kind of power before in any other movie. She pulled it out of no where. Then in the next movie they say she is losing her powers for some time. Hard to believe since in SG she showed her powers were stronger than ever. Inconsistent with the plot in Destroyah.

The characters you hate so much even said that Godzilla was absorbing energy right before he killed Spacegodzilla.

But NOT radiation. He melted down because of how much radiation he absorbed. And SG can STILL be skipped because he absorb amazing amounts of radiation in Godzilla vs. Destroyah. Especially compared to the small amount of non-radiation he absorbed in SG. But I wouldn't take anything those characters say seriously in SG, they never showed to be smart exactly.

King-Goji

February 21st, 2007, 10:46 AM

It was still pointless and not needed. She never showed that kind of power before in any other movie. She pulled it out of no where. Then in the next movie they say she is losing her powers for some time. Hard to believe since in SG she showed her powers were stronger than ever. Inconsistent with the plot in Destroyah.

I never really like the telepathy thing at all, but I always viewed this as futher showing how Miki was connected to Godzilla.

Godzilla's power got stronger and stronger, until he burnt out. Same with Miki. Her powers grew and grew, until (at the same time as Godzilla) her powers started to burn out. Seemed to further show her connection to Godzilla. Therefore it made sense for her powers to get stronger just before frying, same as Godzilla, and when he started dying, so did her powers.

Oh and I gave the movie a 7. Not the best movie, but MOGUERA and Spacegodzilla were kind of cool. There are better movies, but there are a lot worse.

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 10:58 AM

I never really like the telepathy thing at all, but I always viewed this as futher showing how Miki was connected to Godzilla.

Godzilla's power got stronger and stronger, until he burnt out. Same with Miki. Her powers grew and grew, until (at the same time as Godzilla) her powers started to burn out. Seemed to further show her connection to Godzilla. Therefore it made sense for her powers to get stronger just before frying, same as Godzilla, and when he started dying, so did her powers.

Except in Destroyah she said her powers were dieing for a while. I assume that means longer than the couple weeks Goji was melting down. And she really wasn't connected to Godzilla. She felt Mothra's presense, Jr.s, Biollante's, and other monsters as well. So I still don't really buy that.

MirrenDono

February 21st, 2007, 11:00 AM

I think a 7 suits this film. It's got enough flaws to bring it down, but there are a good deal of high-points mixed in there. Sure, the plot and the characters aren't even close to being memorable, but the Kaiju sequences were fun, the music occasionally reached a very exciting level, and outside of few unfortunate moments (asteroids, for example), the effects were pretty good.

This will always be one of my favorite Goji movies, especially because of Spacegodzilla. It's definitely not the highest quality that the franchise has reached, not by a longshot, but I enjoy watching it.

King-Goji

February 21st, 2007, 03:15 PM

And she really wasn't connected to Godzilla. She felt Mothra's presense, Jr.s, Biollante's, and other monsters as well. So I still don't really buy that.

The thing with this is, genetically (and/or telepathically) Junior was connected to Godzilla, and Biollante WAS Godzilla (as explained in the movie). So naturally she SHOULD be connected to them as well as Godzilla. She also felt Spacegodzilla, and again he basically was Godzilla.

She had a connection to Mothra based on the Cosmos contacting her.

Those are all explained in the movies.

Show me one single monster that Miki "felt" that is not connected to Godzilla (genetically or telepathically). Mothra and Battra are the exception due to the Cosmos.

King-Goji

February 21st, 2007, 03:20 PM

Except in Destroyah she said her powers were dieing for a while. I assume that means longer than the couple weeks Goji was melting down.

The key phrase here is "I assume".

You can't say someone else is wrong, just because you "assume" that you are right. No proof.

Did it ever even say exactly how long Miki had been losing her powers?
Did it ever even say exactly how long Godzilla had been in Meltdown?

I may be way off with my interpertation, but until you can show me hard evidence to the contrary, my opinions won't be changing (as I'm sure your's won't either;)).

Orga777

February 21st, 2007, 09:24 PM

The key phrase here is "I assume".

You can't say someone else is wrong, just because you "assume" that you are right. No proof.

She said that she was losing her powers for a while. That is what she said. And a while does not equal one week.;)

Did it ever even say exactly how long Miki had been losing her powers?
Did it ever even say exactly how long Godzilla had been in Meltdown?

Miki said she was losing them for a while. And we get the idea of how long Goji was melting down since we SEE the island that they were investigating. Then what is the same day Goji attacks Hong Kong. SO we get the idea ow long ti was.;)

I may be way off with my interpertation, but until you can show me hard evidence to the contrary, my opinions won't be changing (as I'm sure your's won't either;)).
Nope, Gvs.SG still sucks.:p

he thing with this is, genetically (and/or telepathically) Junior was connected to Godzilla, and Biollante WAS Godzilla (as explained in the movie). So naturally she SHOULD be connected to them as well as Godzilla. She also felt Spacegodzilla, and again he basically was Godzilla.

No, Biollante was NOT exactly Godzilla. Bio had human elements as well. And SG is NOT the same as Godzilla in anything other than appearence, and even THAT is slim. And Miki HAD these powsers before she ever starting working for G-Froce, so the theory you have is flawed anyway.

EternalMothra

February 21st, 2007, 09:59 PM

Nope, Gvs.SG still sucks.

A matter of opinion naturally. ;)

SuperXAsh

February 22nd, 2007, 12:00 AM

What I meant EM was that Little Godzilla went from being a pretty interesting concept/reinvisioning in the previous movie to just being uber-cute and chibi-fied and whatnot, playing no real role in the long run, and those bubbles he blows at the end... just... lame.

Dave McDave

February 22nd, 2007, 07:34 AM

Although I’m not the biggest fan of this, it should be said that this film rocks for just kaiju-on-kaiju rumbling, and shots like this are great imo- ok, this one moment from the film- Space G floating and turning slowly through the air, while crystal spikes take off from the ground and fly at speed towards an injured yet defiant Godzilla…. enough said….

King-Goji

February 22nd, 2007, 08:00 AM

She said that she was losing her powers for a while. That is what she said. And a while does not equal one week.;)

I've gone over to a friend's house for "a while", and that was only a few hours. ;) It's not an exact phrase, it can be read differently depending on how long you consider "a while" to be.

Miki said she was losing them for a while. And we get the idea of how long Goji was melting down since we SEE the island that they were investigating. Then what is the same day Goji attacks Hong Kong. SO we get the idea ow long ti was.;)

The movie opened with (burning) Godzilla attacking Hong Kong at night (first time we see him in the "burning" stage, doesn't mean that his burning is new at that moment, just the first time people actually see it). They don't show the island until later, and it's daylight. So it was atleast the next day. Since they don't really give very clear linear time frames, it makes it mostly speculation.
But they did show Burning Godzilla, before they said anything about the island, or showed it, and they never said if he had, or had not, started his "burning" phase before the movie started or right at the start of the movie.

Theoretically he could've started "burning" right after he and Jr disappear into the sea at the end of Spacegodzilla. They never even say how much time has passed between movies. He could've been burning for a couple years and then his meltdown was kicked in to full gear by the destruction of the island. Then if you read Miki's comment of "a while" meaning a couple of years, it all fits again.

Too many unspecified variables to say for certain one way or the other, but there really isn't anything (so far) to disprove it, and a lot to support it (circumstantial as it may be).

Nope, Gvs.SG still sucks.:p

LOL

No, Biollante was NOT exactly Godzilla. Bio had human elements as well. And SG is NOT the same as Godzilla in anything other than appearence, and even THAT is slim. And Miki HAD these powsers before she ever starting working for G-Froce, so the theory you have is flawed anyway.

In the movie they say, "Biollante and Godzilla are related, more than just brother and sister, they are the same creature". Due to Biollante being made from Godzilla cells. Biollante is essentially a clone of Godzilla, a dirty clone (with human tainted flower cells combined) but a clone from Godzilla's cells none the less.

Pretty much the same with Spacegodzilla. They explain right in the movie that some of Godzilla's cells (either on Mothra or from Biollante) went through a blackhole where they were fused with the crystal-stuff. Therefore Spacegodzilla is also spawned from Godzilla's cells and another Godzilla clone.

And ofcourse Miki had her powers before joining G-Force. She couldn't have had a psychic link with Godzilla without her telepathic power. So there is no flaw there at all.

She couldn't even pick up on Erika's presence in the rose right away. She heard someone calling the other woman's name as they were leaving the doctor's house, but said she picked up on nothing, when she was standing right next to the plant. Then later after the doctor fuses Erika's rose with Godzilla cells, and after Miki first "links" to Godzilla mentally (to turn him away from the oil platform and reactors), she is then able to pick up Biollante right away.

The only things that changed between those two scenes, were the Godzilla cells being fused with the rose plant, and Miki using her telepathy to link with Godzilla to make him leave. Then boom, she now has the ability to sense Biollante right away.