I don't like GINO.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

I simply wasn't entertained by the movie. I don't like the movie. I don't like the kaiju. And I certainly did not like it being in GFW. It doesn't make me a horrible person, and it doesn't mean I'm unreasonable - I really wish the supporters of the movie would get a grip and quit making the people who weren't entertained by the movie into horrible people.

Thank you for listening.

[Gorjirus]

*Yawn* Heard it all before. If anything, GINO bashers should get the frig over it; it's been what, a decade? Most pointless thread ever. I give maybe a day tops before this thread is closed or merged with another.

Actually, if anything, your post will be deleted.

Oh, and it isn't a decade until the 8's match up.

[Zardac the Great]

I simply wasn't entertained by the movie. I don't like the movie. I don't like the kaiju. And I certainly did not like it being in GFW. It doesn't make me a horrible person, and it doesn't mean I'm unreasonable - I really wish the supporters of the movie would get a grip and quit making the people who weren't entertained by the movie into horrible people.

Thank you for listening.

Very few people did like the movie. We are an elite cadre. Personally, I find the movie to be very entertaining, and I absolutely love the creature himself.

I never said it made you a horrible person. Am I a horrible person because I hate Kong and Mothra?

[EternalMothra]

I can see this topic going down a very negative road.

[giganlover217]

This isn't really a startling development, but I'll throw in some opinion, though all of this has been said many times before. I disliked the movie because I felt it didn't do a proper job of handling Godzilla and introducing him to mainstream audiences, the filmmakers were people who really didn't like Godzilla to start, and when I looked at it from a non-fan standpoint, I still found it to be a big, loud, DUMB blockbuster that was only somewhat entertaining as far as they go. As for the creature itself, I never really understood its cult status amoung fans (a cult following within a cult following), but it never really bothered me. Its appearence in GFW was one of the greater flaws in the movie, as it could have been a lot funnier or cooler, but really stood out as a cheap shot (though I loved the X-fellow's reaction).

So there you go, I've vented. About 8 years too late, though.

[Zardac the Great]

the filmmakers were people who really didn't like Godzilla to start,


This is not true. They actually do like Godzilla.

[Zigra]

This is not true. They actually do like Godzilla.


I think Morgoth needs to re-post his collection of quotes by Roland Emmerich (complete with the sources for those quotes for you skeptics) where Roland expresses his distaste for the original Godzilla movies. Also, in the now defunct Kaiju Fan magazine, there was an interview with a woman who was an extra in G98. She said that when she went up and asked Emmerich (who had been treating everybody on the set like dirt) if he was even a Godzilla fan, his response was "no, not really".

Now, Devlin seems to be more of a fan than Emmerich is, but he's what I'd call an "insecure" fan. Meaning that even though he likes the old movies, he thinks that there is no way American audiences could accept Godzilla in the form we all know him, even with better SPFX. That, of course, is a load of bull, IMHO, but I think the reason for Dean's view on this matter is that he hadn't seen any of the Heisei movies, particularly ones like "Godzilla vs. Biollante", so he didn't really see how a real Godzilla movie could be made in a serious manner with modern special effects.

[Spüne]

I didn't like the film. But I hate, even more, the fanbase's backlash towards it, and the being who liked it. I don't like the name GINO, I think that it is a very immature name that conjures up images of boys who think of the great come back hours after an argument and then try to get into that argument again just to use it, to have the other person just laugh in their face....maybe that doesn't make sence. I liked how the monster was in Final Wars, and how it can be named Zilla. I like its official status in the Toho Godzillaverse and I wish people would stop talking about the movie so much.

[Jet Jaguar]

I don't care if people talk about the movie.
After all, talking about movies is one reason we're all HERE
But yeah, all dis hate has to stop. It's been 8 years. Let it go.
Hanging on to that much bad emotion is just unhealthy, especially for a mediocre movie

[Cole Deschain]

To quote good ol' Clint....

"Hatred keeps me warm at night."

BUt yes, for what it's worth- this wrecthed pile of celluloid really isn;t worth all the energy we spend bashing it.

But it DOES make a handy whipping boy.

[ryan the dangrous liberal]

To quote good ol' Clint....

"Hatred keeps me warm at night."

BUt yes, for what it's worth- this wrecthed pile of celluloid really isn;t worth all the energy we spend bashing it.

But it DOES make a handy whipping boy.
Although in all honesty I think It'll be hard to forget given the legacy it has created.

[godofPH]

Although in all honesty I think It'll be hard to forget given the legacy it has created.

What legacy? It was a single movie that spawned a cartoon series that lasted about 2 seasons, not some huge crazy pop culture phenomenon.

[Orga777]

What legacy? It was a single movie that spawned a cartoon series that lasted about 2 seasons, not some huge crazy pop culture phenomenon.

The legacy of it being created and the backlash it caused to the fandom I believe is what he is talking about PH...

[Zardac the Great]

Maybe a legacy of how everybody's still talking about how much they hate him. Maybe a legacy of continually being the but of jokes in Toho Godzilla movies.

I can't think of another movie that bombed that still recieves as much attention as GODZILLA. Of course, I don't generally pay attention to movies, so I may not be in the know.

[Jet Jaguar]

Hollywood is replete with "bombs", even with and sometimes especially "fandom" films
Think "Star Trek V"
Being a good whipping boy aside, the film doesn't deserve all this vitriol.

[Godzilla Ghidorah]

Dose anyone like Gino? :angry:
He's a dumb copy of the real king of the monsters GODZILLA !!!!!!

[Sam]

It's a mildly entertaining film. I don't think anyone would really disagree with that. After all, it follows the usual 'mutant monster' formula and scenario. The real problem with the movie is that's all it really is: just another monster movie, more a remake of The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms than any Godzilla film.

[Zardac the Great]

Dose anyone like Gino? :angry:
He's a dumb copy of the real king of the monsters GODZILLA !!!!!!

Yes. I like GODZILLA 98. I like the creature, and I like the movie. As has been previously stated. However, you may feel free to be like everyone else and dispise him. I careth not.

[Godzilla Ghidorah]

Yes. I like GODZILLA 98. I like the creature, and I like the movie. As has been previously stated. However, you may feel free to be like everyone else and dispise him. I careth not. I did like gino too before i saw how he died it should of been a better ending then that.

[Morgoth]

I don't lile it.



Restrained response, eh?

[Zardac the Great]

Your restraint is the essence of self-control. :darklord:

[Godzilla Ghidorah]

Well..... I dont know what to say now.

[Zardac the Great]

Well, I actually agree with you about the ending. Should have ended better, preferably with Zilla not dying.

What you're probably talking about in the above post is Morgoth's response. Just know that his hatred for both the movie and the creature has reached legendary status.

[kent]

I simply wasn't entertained by the movie. I don't like the movie. I don't like the kaiju. And I certainly did not like it being in GFW. It doesn't make me a horrible person, and it doesn't mean I'm unreasonable - I really wish the supporters of the movie would get a grip and quit making the people who weren't entertained by the movie into horrible people.

Thank you for listening.

Well I hope you don't think I am one of those that thinks you're horrible because you don't like it; because I have never thought that way about anyone who didn't like the film.

My only gripe is here it is nearly nine years after the film was released and some people still think they have to express their hatred for the film. I mean, there was a time and a place that was very appropriate for that (HINT: When the film was released).

It's been NINE years people! MOVE ON!

:nonono2::nonono2::nonono2::nonono2::nonono2::nono no2:

[kent]

Although in all honesty I think It'll be hard to forget given the legacy it has created.

Then I take it you wish the Shinsei era of films weren't made?

[Zigra]

Then I take it you wish the Shinsei era of films weren't made?

Considering how there is only one of the Shinsei films that I even remotely enjoy (Tokyo S.O.S), I for one wish "Godzilla vs. Destroyer" was the final film. Better to end on a high note than degenerate into crap and end with a pathetic wimper.

[Zardac the Great]

I actually like the Millenium films...

[biochemitra]

Watching it now, and looking at it, it REALLY doesn't deserve half the disgust it's treated with. It's not Godzilla, and there's not a single person within ten miles of any G-fan who thinks otherwise. It's not a Godzilla movie, it's a movie about a mutated iguana that's mistaken for Godzilla. No, I'm not going to say anything about any sort of 'acceptance' from Toho, no I'm not going to bring up the far more popular animated series, because those aren't important to my opinion. It's entertaining, it's different, and as a non-Godzilla giant monster film(none of this silly 'daikaiju' stuff, which is just an illusion among the fandom). The human characters, while not superb, are worth following, the plot is fairly interesting, the action sequences are worth it and the music is beautiful.
Ok, it doesn't have the original's message, but it DOES have a theme, particularly at the end, and it is about Man's irresponsibility, not unlike, if signifigantly smaller than the original.
It's not Godzilla, but it's not a bad movie either. Yes, the monster is sub-par in terms of power(even though this is almost invariably exagerated by the fandom), but what does it matter? Why does it need to be a truly menacing creature, save to participate in some endless debates a few fans are having which has no relevance whatsoever to what the movie brings us? Zilla serves his role well, he deals damage when he has to and he dies when it's needed of him.

Maybe my opinion is lighter because I never experienced the outrage the rest of you did. My eight year old mind saw this creature as one of the many changes Godzilla took over the years, so naturally hate's venom never entered my veins, so that probably has alot to do with it. Even so, it helps me see the movie as it is, not as what it's pretending to be. I don't care if D&E liked the original Godzilla films or not(Not am I willing to accept any 'quotes' from them in either direction, from prettymuch anyone. I've heard them in all directions, as far as I'm concerned, they're all BS), this movie here that I am currently watching, I enjoy. It's not Godzilla, and neither are any of the animes, cartoons and most of the films I watch. When I turn on Futurama, Teen Titans or The Guyver, I'm not looking for Godzilla, I'm looking for the positives that these shows bring me on their own.
Maybe were it to premier in this fine year, my opinion would be different, but it's not, and in a way, I'm glad. As far as I'm concerned, this is 'that movie about that giant iguana that a Japanese sailor and the Americans who saw him on TV thought was Godzilla', not some horrible scum of the Earth that tried to make Godzilla better and failed miserably.

Thankyou for your time if you actually read that. If you just skimmed through it, then stop pretending to pay attention to me and get back to whatever it was you were doing before.

[bloodyarts]

bio, I'm going to ask you this because from that post, I honestly cannot tell;

Are you joking?

[biochemitra]

^For once, no.

[SuperXAsh]

Another year, another GINO debate. JOY :sarcasm:

[Cole Deschain]

it REALLY doesn't deserve half the disgust it's treated with.

Sure it does. I'll elaborate more ina bit...

It's not Godzilla

Indeed... but therein lies the problem.

You see, a kaiju fan knows damn well that it isn;t Godzilla. Our fragile widdle sensibilities may be assaulted by that festering crapheap of a movie, but ultimately, we'll all be okay after a good rant.

The damage, the horror of this wretched excuse for an exercise in cinema, is the impression it gave NON-kaiju fans.

People whose first exposure to "Godzilla" happened to be this film are going to have a a hard time shedding the baggage of the cowardly lizard with raptor babies that eat Frenchmen.


They're going to associate Godzilla with a plot that has no sense, characters that have no depth, and a message that is, frankly, nonexistent.

It's entertaining,

A matter of opinion. I find it about as entertaining as being punched repeatedly in the groin. The novelty wears off in a hurry.

The human characters, while not superb, are worth following,

No they bloody well aren't. I can;t think of a single character whose death would have disturbed me in the slightest.

the plot is fairly interesting

What plot?

the action sequences are worth it

One munched chopper doth not a movie make.

and the music is beautiful.

... No.

Ok, it doesn't have the original's message

Or any message at all, beyond "give Tristar money!"

but it DOES have a theme, particularly at the end, and it is about Man's irresponsibility

... You know, I'm just going to sit on my response to that one, because you don;t deserve the emotional abuse, and I'd rather not get banned.

Zilla serves his role well, he deals damage when he has to and he dies when it's needed of him.

GINO dies when conventionally used military weapons are deployed Kong did it better, and with more heart.

Maybe my opinion is lighter because I never experienced the outrage the rest of you did.

Clearly.

Even so, it helps me see the movie as it is, not as what it's pretending to be.

But that is just it- it's a piss-poor monster movie. They only call the thing "Godzilla" a few times. It really IS possible to ignore the insult.

And the result is STILL an unbearable waste of film.

[Orga777]

Cole wins the topic again.:laugh:

[Saruman]

I don't care if D&E liked the original Godzilla films or not(Not am I willing to accept any 'quotes' from them in either direction, from prettymuch anyone. I've heard them in all directions, as far as I'm concerned, they're all BS), this movie here that I am currently watching, I enjoy.

Well then I guess we can consider your entire post BS as we do not have to accept anything that you want to say wether it's right or wrong, simply because we do not want to.

Discussing/Debating like that just goes and shows an immutarity, so why bother even posting, it's pointless.

[biochemitra]

Well then I guess we can consider your entire post BS as we do not have to accept anything that you want to say wether it's right or wrong, simply because we do not want to.

Once again, you miss my entire point by a nautical mile.

I have heard D&E were major fans, I have heard they didn't care for it at all, I have heard it was one of each, I have heard every side from countless sources so much that I really don't trust any of it anymore. Every time someone brings one version up, someone else tries to counter with another. That's something I no longer have any interest in whatsoever, and all the better, I think. If in fact, they didn't like the original, then ohwell, I don't want to hear about it, as it would just detract from my enjoyment of the film. I'd rather watch the film and enjoy it than spend anymore time dwelling on what could've been and wasn't.

Discussing/Debating like that just goes and shows an immutarity, so why bother even posting, it's pointless.

That might be true if I had even the most remote interest in debating the any of you. Unfortunately, I don't, because in all honesty, the very idea bores me. I only wanted to vent my opinion of the film as a breath of fresh air for few other than myself from all this monotonous venom that invariably comes with the very mention of the name 'GINO'. I'm not asking you to like it, I'm not asking you to agree with a single word I've said, all I'm doing is putting my newest two cents forth on this topic. To be perfectly Frank, Saru, the only thing I'm asking of you is to quit jumping to your own personal little conclusions every time I post something.


As for you, Cole, I'm not even going to bother responding to the individual 'points' you just made because I don't feel like wasting my time with you. You don't like the film, I respect that, but I do. You may not like the music, but I loved it, you may not have cared for the action scenes, but I did, you may not have cared for the humans, but I at least found them worth following. It's a bad movie in all senses of the word for YOU, not for me, and I'll thank you to Jes Git Over It.


Another year, another GINO debate. JOY :sarcasm:


1. If you don't like it, don't follow the thread.

2. I have no intention of getting into any sort of stupid debate over whether or not anyone 'should' or 'shouldn't' enjoy the movie. The very idea is ridiculous. Cole and Saru aren't going to present me with anything worth talking about, they're just going to put forth their own views on the film. Something I'm already familiar with.

[kent]

They're going to associate Godzilla with a plot that has no sense,

Like most of the Japanese Godzilla films?

characters that have no depth

Once again, like most Japanese Godzilla films?

and a message that is, frankly, nonexistent.

Again, like the majority of Japanese Godzilla films.

Come on Cole this whole statement here is completey BS. Aside from Gojira, every other Godzilla movie failed MISERABLY on everything here you said the '98 film failed on. I sense some hypocricy here.

[Zigra]

Come on Cole this whole statement here is completey BS. Aside from Gojira, every other Godzilla movie failed MISERABLY on everything here you said the '98 film failed on. I sense some hypocricy here.

Not so much hypocricy as Cole simply isn't putting in the effort to explain himself, as he probably wouldn't be saying anything that hasn't been said a million times before.

Frankly, I myself find such comparisions between G98 and Toho's Godzilla movies to be shallow and superficial at best. Yes, many of Toho's G films are far and away from being cinematic masterpieces, but I can honestly say that even the worst ones have far better acting and interesting and memorable character work than G98 could ever boast of having. In particular, when I first saw G98 in the theaters, I was shocked at just how lousy Maria Pitilo's(sp?) performance was. It was the worst acting I had seen in a major theatrical film up to that point (though, since that time, I've seen worse). The other characters in G98 are simply bland and uninteresting, and even terrible G films like "Godzilla vs. Megalon" have given us far more memorable characters than that.

[kent]

and even terrible G films like "Godzilla vs. Megalon" have given us far more memorable characters than that.

The unfortunate thing with this is that they are memorable for not being great in those films. Goofy dialogue (although part of that has to be credited with the dubbing studios) and some of their goofy expressions are what make some of these performances memorable because they seem ridiculous for such films.

[Zardac the Great]

You see, a kaiju fan knows damn well that it isn;t Godzilla. Our fragile widdle sensibilities may be assaulted by that festering crapheap of a movie, but ultimately, we'll all be okay after a good rant.

The damage, the horror of this wretched excuse for an exercise in cinema, is the impression it gave NON-kaiju fans.

People whose first exposure to "Godzilla" happened to be this film are going to have a a hard time shedding the baggage of the cowardly lizard with raptor babies that eat Frenchmen.



Just a note: I've shown this movie to three people who all cared nothing for Godzilla. They watched it to be nice, and all three ended up loving it, and none of them thought the story was as bad as ya'll say it is.

I also think one of them hit the reason that the movie bombed.

A) It is WAY different from the Japanese Godzilla movies. This caused the Godzilla fans (most of us, anyway) to not like it.

B) It is called "GODZILLA." This caused the people who didn't like the Japanese Godzilla movies to stay away.

[Cole Deschain]

As for you, Cole, I'm not even going to bother responding to the individual 'points' you just made because I don't feel like wasting my time with you.

Oh, how thweet.

It seems that those of us who hate the movie aren't the only ones incapable of handling statements to the contrary.

It's a bad movie in all senses of the word for YOU, not for me, and I'll thank you to Jes Git Over It.

I'll "Git Over It" when you "Git over" the fact that your defense of the film is as full of holes as any condemnation thereof, if your perspective goes the right way.


As for you, Kent- forgive me if I don;t go quite as in-depth, but you've been defending this flick since I've known you.

It's true, that many of the Toho flicks (I'm looking at YOU, Godzilla vs. Hedorah) were, in many technical respects, pretty vile.

Seriously.

Crap.

However- they were crap with a bit of heart behind them.

(This, by the way, is why I detest most of Toho's millennium entries. They're soulless, for the most part.)

This movie is a big, glib, shiny FLASHY piece of crap with all the depth of a mud puddle.

I'll take the inane stupidity (and somewhat cruddy SFX) of Godzilla vs. Megalon over this movie because while GvMegalon may be schlocky kiddie fare, it's schlocky kiddie fare that tries.

And if you can't wrap your head around the notion, we may have nailed down the difference between those you who can somehow like GINO and those of us who will never be able to see what it is you can stand about the flick.

[biochemitra]

I'll "Git Over It" when you "Git over" the fact that your defense of the film is as full of holes as any condemnation thereof, if your perspective goes the right way.



What the HELL are you talking about, boy? Defense? Holes? Condemnation? I LIKE the bloody music, I LIKE the flippin plot, I LIKE the freakin action scenes and I LIKE the entire movie in general. HOW is that full of holes? Are you so high strung you actually consider me WRONG for having different taste than you? Good lord, man... I'm not telling you to like the film, I'm not telling you you're wrong for hating it, I'm not trying to change ANYONE's opinon here. I am NOT defending the film, you can hate the stupid thing all you want, it doesn't matter to me.

Cole, I know you have some of the strictest taste in movies the world has ever seen, but you can NOT somehow consider the fact that I enjoy the film 'full of holes'. You can bash it all you want, you can tell me I'm wrong for liking it, you can make up an entire language composed entirely of nasty things to say about it, WHY should I care? WHY do you care if I like it? You don't like the music, I do, and there's not a blasted thing you can do about it.
I'm not wrong for finding enjoyment in the film, and you're not wrong for despising it. Deal with it.

And no, Cole, you haven't nailed down the difference between those of us who like it and those who don't. I don't give a rat's derrier about how it stacks up against the real Godzilla movies or how it shares some lacking qualities that G-films do, because it's NOT a G-film. You know why you can ignore the flaws of a G-film and not this one? Because those WERE G-films, which have a distinct charm to them that we've all known all our lives. This isn't a G-film, the flaws stand out from the intended plot and style far worse than anything from a true G-film. I still don't care. They didn't stop me from enjoying the one hundred thirty something minutes I spent watching it, and there's no shame in that.

Just to point out, I really don't feel like I've vented half my frustration, nor pointed out that you're being somewhat immature enough, but I realize I'm being fairly immature myself at the moment in not containing my anger. However, your attitude just so happens to be the last one of many annoyances that set me off today, and when I started this post, I was downright enraged. What's your excuse, mm? but I digress, I've made my point.

[Cole Deschain]

What the HELL are you talking about, boy? Defense?

On these boards? My friend, when you go onto hostile ground and procalim a viewpoint that runs counter to the majority (and by the way, all respect for that), you'd better be prepared to defend those views.

Are you so high strung you actually consider me WRONG for having different taste than you?

Are you so high strung that the fact that many of us disagree with you and always will sets you off?

Cole, I know you have some of the strictest taste in movies the world has ever seen, but you can NOT somehow consider the fact that I enjoy the film 'full of holes'.

The fact that you felt compelled to call my opinions on your opinions "points," complete with insulting quotation marks, does NOT sound like a "live and let live" view on this thing.

And no, Cole, you haven't nailed down the difference between those of us who like it and those who don't.

Oh. And what do YOU think it is? Because while I'm capable of arrogant hubris that frankly beggars the imagination (and that line, in partiucular, was one of those times), there IS a difference.

I don't give a rat's derrier about how it stacks up against the real Godzilla movies or how it shares some lacking qualities that G-films do, because it's NOT a G-film. You know why you can ignore the flaws of a G-film and not this one? Because those WERE G-films, which have a distinct charm to them that we've all known all our lives.


That "charm" is what I'm talking about.

Look.

I do not blindly fall in love with every Goji film that Toho churns out. MY pathetic, hair-rending, bloodshot-eyed failure to debate coherently in the last DD should indicate that.

They didn't stop me from enjoying the one hundred thirty something minutes I spent watching it, and there's no shame in that.

And good for you.

I genuinely feel like spending all day sitting here and yelling at you about the same thing over and over again, but that would just waste time.

NOw you know how I feel.


ANd in case you haven;t noticed....

When you present an opinion on the internet, you invite criticism.

Now, with THAT bit of arrogant pedantry out of the way-

At what point did I say you have no right to your opinion?

You stated yours.

I stated mine.

You flipped out and got defensive.

I responded in kind.

[biochemitra]

Are you so high strung that the fact that many of us disagree with you and always will sets you off?


There's a difference between disagreeing and blatantly criticizing someone's viewpoint. The main thing that set me off was your simple "No..." reply when I posted my thoughts on the music. That had a distinct superiority tone to it, the way I read it.

I don't care if you disagree, I care when I'm criticized for my viewpoint.

The fact that you felt compelled to call my opinions on your opinions "points," complete with insulting quotation marks, does NOT sound like a "live and let live" view on this thing.


And the attitude I got from the post you made doesn't sound any more like a "live and let live" view.

I do not blindly fall in love with every Goji film that Toho churns out. MY pathetic, hair-rending, bloodshot-eyed failure to debate coherently in the last DD should indicate that.


Cole, if you don't mind me saying, that's kinda the very first thing I ever noticed about you.

And good for you.

ANd in case you haven;t noticed....

When you present an opinion on the internet, you invite criticism.

Now, with THAT bit of arrogant pedantry out of the way-

At what point did I say you have no right to your opinion?

You stated yours.

I stated mine.

You flipped out and got defensive.

I responded in kind.

At any rate, Cole, I apologize for that outburst. When I first read the post originally, it did genuinely seem like a stab at me. Looking over it now, it really doesn't seem like one at all anymore, and apparently it really wasn't. I'm aware, I was being immature right there.

Again, I apologize.

[Cole Deschain]

There's a difference between disagreeing and blatantly criticizing someone's viewpoint. The main thing that set me off was your simple "No..." reply when I posted my thoughts on the music. That had a distinct superiority tone to it, the way I read it.


Because I am an arrogant jerk, as I've made abundantly clear. ;)

Cole, if you don't mind me saying, that's kinda the very first thing I ever noticed about you.

Not the cruelty? The arrogance? The bad haircut? I may weep....

At any rate, Cole, I apologize for that outburst.

No harm done.

I apologize for my part in this regrettable little dustup as well.

[Darth Reaper]

At the risk of stoking the embers of rage back into a flame I feel that I need to post my own opinions here.

Then I take it you wish the Shinsei era of films weren't made?- kent

I like some of the Shinsei films more than others, but I can't really consider them equal compensation for all of the possibilites that I feel could have been explored and now probably never will be (at least not for some time to come) because of this major screw up. I feel in my gut that GODZILLA '98 could have taken the character to a whole new level, at least on a techical level, if it had been handled properly. But, its potential was squandered, and that's why I have a hard time letting go of my irritation with it.

It's not Godzilla- biochemitra

As Cole said, that's the problem. It was supposed to be Godzilla but it wasn't. That's what upsets me.

You want to know something funny; when GINO first came out I defended it. I think I wanted it to be good so I ended up in denial. As time went by I've accepted that it wasn't what I had hoped it would be, and I gradually stopped trying to deny my disappointment. I don't hate the film as much as others on this board, but I can honestly say that I really wish it had turned out better. It was a major opportunity that was blown big time.

Not the cruelty? The arrogance? The bad haircut? I may weep....- Cole Deschain

You have hair? I always pictured you as the bald mad scientist type. Go figure. :D

[Scynt the Skunk]

I personally didn't hate the movie. I found it entertaining enough, and thought the actors did decently compared with all other Sci-fi movies of the 90's. I did hate how they killed Godzilla, he was supposedly bigger than the Japanese Godzilla and a few missles that could barely even singe the Japanese Godzilla's hide ripped into him and killed him? Bull.
Other than that, and the fact that there was no radioactive breath, I had no real gripes with the movie personally. Shouldn't have been titled Godzilla though, simply due to those two faults.

[Morgoth]

The movie's **** but if you giys don't start calming down and playing nice, I'm gonna start abusing my powers again. Cole, Bio, looking in your directions here. You guys are getting awful snippy.

[Zigra]

If you look at the dates on those messages, Cole and Bio's arguement happened well over a month ago. And, if you look at the last two messages of their arguement, you'll notice that they both did cool down, and apologized to each other over the matter.

[Saruman]

Once again, you miss my entire point by a nautical mile.

No, you stated it rather clearly.

I have heard D&E were major fans, I have heard they didn't care for it at all, I have heard it was one of each, I have heard every side from countless sources so much that I really don't trust any of it anymore. Every time someone brings one version up, someone else tries to counter with another. That's something I no longer have any interest in whatsoever, and all the better, I think. If in fact, they didn't like the original, then ohwell, I don't want to hear about it, as it would just detract from my enjoyment of the film. I'd rather watch the film and enjoy it than spend anymore time dwelling on what could've been and wasn't.

And there you go.:laugh:

[Morgoth]

If you look at the dates on those messages, Cole and Bio's arguement happened well over a month ago. And, if you look at the last two messages of their arguement, you'll notice that they both did cool down, and apologized to each other over the matter.

Well, that's what happens from looking at the forums in the ten minutes between waking up and going to work. Bloody damn 'Pirates' and its bloody damn 11:00 show. Sorry Cole, Bio, if I'd gotten down to the bottom of the page I'd have seen you already resolved things. Better than most people around here.

[HolyGoji777]

Like most of the Japanese Godzilla films?



Once again, like most Japanese Godzilla films?



Again, like the majority of Japanese Godzilla films.

Come on Cole this whole statement here is completey BS. Aside from Gojira, every other Godzilla movie failed MISERABLY on everything here you said the '98 film failed on. I sense some hypocricy here.


Kent usually i dont argue a whole lot with your posts...but saying the MAJORITY of japanese Godzilla films suffer the same flaws as the american version is completely messed up.

Many Godzilla films feature highly respected Japanese actors not Matthew Broderick. Go watch Godzilla vs Mothra and tell me that the acting in Godzilla 98 is even CLOSE to that. When we watch a movie we probably shouldnt pray for the deaths of the main characters.

As far as plots go, no not every Godzilla movie was a masterpiece and they suffered a few plot holes but they were always more entertaining than a giant puss of a lizard and a reinactment of the raptor scenes from jurassic park. as bad as the alien roaches were from Godzilla vs Gigan, THAT plot was handled with a lot more respect and care than G98 was.

And as far as a message goes it was as poorly handled as anything in that movie. Whatever crumb of morals they dropped into that movie was purely a lame attempt to make it seem like that actually cared about this film. because this film was made to be a summer blockbuster to make buttloads of money and nothing more...no care or heart was put into it. any shred of a message was as hollow as matthew brodericks head. to say that the majority of Godzilla films dont feature a message is crazy...almost everyone has more of a moral message than g98 and they usually are right in your face and shoving it down your throat!!! i could probably list each film and its message by memory! while some were weaker than others only a few reached the level of G98.

to say that this film is on par with films like Godzilla Raids Again, Godzilla vs Mothra, Godzilla 1985, or Godzilla vs Biollante is an insult to the genre. In fact most of the showa era was vastly superior to G98, and most of the heisei and shinsei films are arguable at the very least.

in the end its my opinion Zilla was a really kool monster in a really REALLY horrible movie. ive said many times since hes now regarded as a completely different monster i dont hate him anymore. in fact id like to see him used in the future. But his movie was trash made by a couple of guys who tricked us all into going to see their horrible horrible film. they didnt hire good actors, they didnt hire good writers, and instead they just ripped off other plot lines and action scenes. oh and MATTHEW FRIGGIN BRODERICK!!!! IM ASHAMED TO SHARE THE SAME FIRST NAME AS HIM!!!!


mind you this was not a personal attack on you. however its hard to believe when you watch Godzilla vs Biollante you see the same type of poor writing, acting and filmmaking that you see in G98

[bloodyarts]

Kent's post may have overstated things a bit, but basically, he's right.

I've seen messages in G-films that, to me, seemed half-hearted (Hedorah) or breaks the pendulum going the other way (GvBio, GvMothra92, Mothra Trilogy... ), LOTS of shoddy acting (again, mainly from heisei films), terrible story/plots, bad editing, etc.

As for GINO, I don't much like his design at all, nor the modifications to the trademark bellow, but in terms of ability (or potential ability, realized by the cartoon, which I haven't seen), I think he's a decent, and much underrated monster. But yeah, his movie is complete tripe, only slightly better than 'Reptilian' (Yongarry, sic).

[HolyGoji777]

Kent's post may have overstated things a bit, but basically, he's right.

he has some valid points but they are exaggerated.

I've seen messages in G-films that, to me, seemed half-hearted (Hedorah)

are you kidding me? if you were going for a half hearted message you were much better off mentioning something like godzilla vs gigan where there was only a sprinkle of values rather than hedorah. regardless of what you think of the movie itself it had one of the most force fed messages of the entire series. Banno clearly had a purpose and the film makes it well known. he obviously believed in what he was doing. the film may seem effortless but the message was not. heck they only sing it to you.



LOTS of shoddy acting (again, mainly from heisei films), terrible story/plots, bad editing, etc.


dont forget the millenium series.


the point is the majority of Godzilla films suffer from similar flaws, yes. However theres only a few that suffer from a) all of the flaws of G98 or b) more painful flaws than G98. many times in a Godzilla film the flaws are overlooked because of the strengths elsewhere. however G98s lone strength was Zilla himself and he disappears for most of the film. yay more broderick.

[bloodyarts]

he has some valid points but they are exaggerated.
Isn't that what I just said?

if you were going for a half hearted message you were much better off mentioning something like godzilla vs gigan where there was only a sprinkle of values rather than hedorah.
I say half-hearted because while the pollution message is serious, we also have a flying Godzilla, implications of drug use, a kid with Godzilla-centric ESP and a none too serious soundtrack.

Despite all that, it's still one of my favorite Godzilla films, and I prefer this over the Heisei series which takes itself entirely too seriously and still manages to come off just as or more ridiculous than many of the showa films.

dont forget the millenium series.
I didn't. They're better than the Heisei series in all the areas I mentioned.

[Cole Deschain]

I didn't. They're better than the Heisei series in all the areas I mentioned.


WOW, I couldn't disagree more if you PAID me.

To each his own, I suppose.