Primal Rage Kaiju vs Toho Kaiju [Archive]

Tomzilla

April 10th, 2004, 08:40 PM

I'll address this war by comparing one-on-one brawls that would occur, instead of just saying: "This guy will jump him, then this guy will attack her, and etc..."

Diablo vs. Godzilla

Now this is when the Heavens will tremble. Unlike his GMK counterpart, Godzilla would be able to heal any wounds Diablo would and will inflict. In close range, Godzilla may actually be the superior fighter. Diablo possesses smaller arms and would depend on just his agility, tail, feet and jaws. If things were to get too desperate, Godzilla's nuclear pulse would knock Diablo flat on his back, stunning the Evil God for a while. Problem is that is probably all Godzilla could do. His atomic blasts would be useless against an opponent whose skin can withstand extreme temperatures. Even Godzilla's spiral blast would do nothing more than maybe apply force that would slow Diablo down. Diablo's fire breath and balls would inflict harm each time they hit Godzilla's flesh. But each time, the regeneration would take effect. In the end, they're almost equals, only Diablo has the ability to split the earth asunder and sentence Godzilla to Hell.

Winner: Diablo

Sauron vs. Megaguirus

If not for Megaguirus' speed, Sauron would've easily have disposed the flying pest. Megaguirus could even win this if she used her guerilla warfare tactics. Sucking the God of Hunger of his immortal energies would prove to be quite an appetite. If she uses her speed and attributes right, Sauron would not really be able to do anything. But if Sauron's jaws are able to clamp down on Megaguirus, he won't let go. Heck, even his Stun Roar would do just that, stun Megaguirus. That's all it would take for Sauron to feed off of Megaguirus' body--imagine, being eaten alive. Megaguirus' energy ball could be repeled by Sauron's primal scream, which forms a barrier temporarily. Megaguirus could win, but as we saw, her arrogance would get the best of her and she'll be devoured as a result.

Winner: Sauron

Talon vs. Mecha-King Ghidorah

David meets Goliath! Talon, the smallest in yet fastests God on the Primal Rage team would prove difficult for MKG to hit! Heck, MKG missed a standing Godzilla a few times. It is unlikely that he'll hit Talon. But our dear raptor is the type to go in for physical combat (which he's really good at) since that is all Talon could do. I estimate MKG's hurricane winds would be enough to knock Talon in a nearby building and leave him open for attack. I don't think Talon could really do any physical damage anyways.

Winner: MKG

Armadon vs. Mothra Heisei

Only thing Mothra can do is not get up close. If she does, Armadon's spikes will easily impale her furry flesh and make her wish she remained in the air. If she does remain in the sky, Mothra should just fire her antenna beams and slowly harm the God of Life. But Armadon can and would leap high into the air and well...I don't think Mothra could avoid him forever. Armadon's hide would allow him to withstand Mothra's attacks. Her pollen would do nothing. Eventually, Armadon will strike the moth down and tear her apart.

Winner: Armadon

Vertigo vs. Orga

All Vertigo needs to do is just use her hypnosis and then turn Orga to stone. She's fast, intelligent and a real annoyance to those who are slow and stupid. That is really all she needs to do. Victory is easily in her claws.

Winner: Vertigo

Chaos vs. Kiryu

Kiryu version 2, I believe, is an improved model. Able to now fire a Hyper Maser Beam more than once, along with other attacks, Chaos would become a pile of burnt flesh. Chaos may possess strength and...nasty...attacks, it won't do anything against Kiryu. Kiryu takes this.

Winner: Kiryu

Blizzard vs. Battra Larva

Now here's a fight that'll be hard. Battra in this form is really resistant to harm. Blizzard's intelligence would be put to the test and even his brute strength would be reduced in effectiveness if exposed to Battra's potent attacks. But Blizzard still packs a punch and if Battra fails to stop the God of Good from getting close enough, Blizzard could just knock Battra miles away. That is how much power Blizzard has in each fist! If Blizzard freezes Battra, it'll give him time to plan on what to do next. I don't think the freezing attacks this time around would kill Battra, but it would slow him down. But Blizzard has an attack that could send Battra's soul to heaven and just leave Battra's bones... Question is, will he have a chance? I think Blizzard is smart enough to buy himself some time to get the job done.

Winner: Blizzard

It seems Kiryu and MKG are all that's left. Sauron, Diablo, Armadon, Vertigo and Blizzard obviously have the advantage. Sadly, Kiryu and MKG would not be able to fend these active Gods off.

Well, if the fight goes on that way...

Zigra

April 10th, 2004, 10:29 PM

Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 10 2004,20:40)]I'll address this war by comparing one-on-one brawls that would occur, instead of just saying: "This guy will jump him, then this guy will attack her, and etc..."

Diablo vs. Godzilla

Now this is when the Heavens will tremble. Unlike his GMK counterpart, Godzilla would be able to heal any wounds Diablo would and will inflict. In close range, Godzilla may actually be the superior fighter. Diablo possesses smaller arms and would depend on just his agility, tail, feet and jaws. If things were to get too desperate, Godzilla's nuclear pulse would knock Diablo flat on his back, stunning the Evil God for a while. Problem is that is probably all Godzilla could do. His atomic blasts would be useless against an opponent whose skin can withstand extreme temperatures. Even Godzilla's spiral blast would do nothing more than maybe apply force that would slow Diablo down. Diablo's fire breath and balls would inflict harm each time they hit Godzilla's flesh. But each time, the regeneration would take effect. In the end, they're almost equals, only Diablo has the ability to split the earth asunder and sentence Godzilla to Hell.

Winner: Diablo
Uh, there's a VERY huge problem with some of the things you just said. How the heck are Diablo's fireballs and flame breath going to hurt a monster who ended up completely submerged in lava and came out of it unharmed (remember "Godzilla vs. Mothra" '92?)? Plus, where does it say Diablo can split the Earth asunder and send his opponents to Hell? I don't remember that in the game

The Great MM

April 10th, 2004, 10:35 PM

It was a fatality that you can use as your last move to kill your enemy...yet, I still couldn't figuere them out but did read about them.

Tomzilla

April 10th, 2004, 10:37 PM

Quote[/b] (Zigra @ April 10 2004,22:29)]Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 10 2004,20:40)]I'll address this war by comparing one-on-one brawls that would occur, instead of just saying: "This guy will jump him, then this guy will attack her, and etc..."

Diablo vs. Godzilla

Now this is when the Heavens will tremble. Unlike his GMK counterpart, Godzilla would be able to heal any wounds Diablo would and will inflict. In close range, Godzilla may actually be the superior fighter. Diablo possesses smaller arms and would depend on just his agility, tail, feet and jaws. If things were to get too desperate, Godzilla's nuclear pulse would knock Diablo flat on his back, stunning the Evil God for a while. Problem is that is probably all Godzilla could do. His atomic blasts would be useless against an opponent whose skin can withstand extreme temperatures. Even Godzilla's spiral blast would do nothing more than maybe apply force that would slow Diablo down. Diablo's fire breath and balls would inflict harm each time they hit Godzilla's flesh. But each time, the regeneration would take effect. In the end, they're almost equals, only Diablo has the ability to split the earth asunder and sentence Godzilla to Hell.

Winner: Diablo
Uh, there's a VERY huge problem with some of the things you just said. How the heck are Diablo's fireballs and flame breath going to hurt a monster who ended up completely submerged in lava and came out of it unharmed (remember "Godzilla vs. Mothra" '92?)? Plus, where does it say Diablo can split the Earth asunder and send his opponents to Hell? I don't remember that in the game
In yet Biollante's acid succeeded in burning his skin. You're acting as if the heat given off by a volcano is the hottest material that burns. Ever thought that after being in the volcano all that time that Godzilla may have adapted after healing his cells to the new environment and became immune?

http://members.aol.com/Frugalmuse/PrimalRage/GeneralFAQ.txt

Maybe that can help you in discovering the true abilities of Diablo and his God brethren. I'll quote the specific part you'd like to know:

"| *Infernal: Diablo stomps on the ground and sends his opponent down a fiery fissure, to hell.
Fatality. Version 2.3 only.
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Hold 1+3+4; tap joystick U, D, U, D, D

|     O .         O  |  O  |   |                  
|     O O        |  O  |  O O"

Zigra

April 10th, 2004, 10:50 PM

You're comparing apples to brocoli. Fire is a very different substance from acid. While I'm no scientist, I'm very sure that acid works by eating away at whatever it comes into contact with, not burning it. And besides, what Biollante uses is not acid, but an acid-like substance.

Getting back to the lava and fire, it is obvious that heat just does not affect Godzilla. Not only has Godzilla been completely submerged in lava and come out of it unharmed, but in Godzilla vs. Biollante he was subjected to an energy field that works much like a gigantic microwave, and was still unharmed. Add to that how Godzilla has been repeatedly blasted by laser weaponry of all sort, and you'll see that a bunch of fire isn't going to do squat to Big G.

However, I do agree with all of your other assessments. Even if Godzilla survives Diablo, Vertigo will surely get him with her gaze.

Tomzilla

April 10th, 2004, 11:03 PM

Zigra-

You're comparing apples to brocoli. Fire is a very different substance from acid. While I'm no scientist, I'm very sure that acid works by eating away at whatever it comes into contact with, not burning it. And besides, what Biollante uses is not acid, but an acid-like substance.

I'm not a scientist either, but not only does acid eat away at whatever it comes into contact with, but it also burns it. That's why we see smoke sizzling from Godzilla's flesh.

And if Biollante's sap is an acid-like substance, then there is a possibility it is a lot like heat. I'm sure it would be "hot" if you touched it.

Getting back to the lava and fire, it is obvious that heat just does not affect Godzilla. Not only has Godzilla been completely submerged in lava and come out of it unharmed, but in Godzilla vs. Biollante he was subjected to an energy field that works much like a gigantic microwave, and was still unharmed. Add to that how Godzilla has been repeatedly blasted by laser weaponry of all sort, and you'll see that a bunch of fire isn't going to do squat to Big G.

The gigantic microwave like things he was exposed to only raised his body temperature. They weren't really designed to burn his hide immensely, like the laser weaponry. Godzilla had been exposed to that kind of weaponry for years and I think it goes well with my theory that Godzilla had pretty much adapted to that kind of punishment.

Then again, we've never really seen an enemy like Diablo with hot flames take on Godzilla. I only said they'd injure the Big G, not destroy him. I don't think Godzilla is immune to every heat attack out there.

It's the special move Diablo can do that'll be the trump card.

Zigra

April 10th, 2004, 11:37 PM

Quote[/b] ]The gigantic microwave like things he was exposed to only raised his body temperature. They weren't really designed to burn his hide immensely, like the laser weaponry

You forget that the energy field was powerful enough to instantly vaporize a human being (something fire cannot do).

Getting back to lava and fire, I'm pretty sure that lava is much hotter than fire, believe it or not. A person can be completely engulfed in flames, but still survive (albeit with some very extreme burns).However, when a human being comes into contact with lava, they are incinerated almost instantly.

Finally, on the subject of acid, acid may "burn" it's victims, but not in the same way fire or lava do. It is not heat-based.

Baryonyx13

April 10th, 2004, 11:44 PM

Yall are arguing over a nonfactor. Sending Godzilla to Hell ended it already.

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Tomzilla

April 10th, 2004, 11:50 PM

Zigra-

You forget that the energy field was powerful enough to instantly vaporize a human being (something fire cannot do).

A human being - saying that may be impressive, but when used against Godzilla, it was used strictly to raise his body temperature (they said it in the movie). They knew they wouldn't be able to fry Godzilla. Raising his temperature was their priority.

Getting back to lava and fire, I'm pretty sure that lava is much hotter than fire, believe it or not.

I believe it. But the limit of just how hot fire can get can exceed that of the normal temperatures of lava. But lava can get hotter than the normal temperatures as well. So really, debating about what is hotter between both elements is absurd in my eyes.

A person can be completely engulfed in flames, but still survive (albeit with some very extreme burns).However, when a human being comes into contact with lava, they are incinerated almost instantly.

Depends on the temperature of the fire. Take flames as hot as the surface of the sun and let someone be engulfed by it. Would they survive?

Finally, on the subject of acid, acid may "burn" it's victims, but not in the same way fire or lava do. It is not heat-based.

Exactly my point. Which proves Godzilla's skin had been burned, which means that Godzilla's skin isn't impervious to substances/elements capable of burning his hide. In this case, it's possible for Diablo's flame assaults to burn Godzilla's hide.

Zigra

April 11th, 2004, 07:34 PM

Quote[/b] ]A human being

Heh, I think you missed the point. Fire is not powerful enough to vaporize a human being like that. And no, the energy field did not have multiple settings. The intensity of the energy field when used to raise Godzilla's body temperature was the same when used to vaporize that Saradian agent.

Quote[/b] ] But the limit of just how hot fire can get can exceed that of the normal temperatures of lava.

Even if that's true (which, if I remember correctly, I don't think it is), it's quite clear that the fire Diablo spews is nowhere near as hot as lava. All his flames do is, as worst blacken his opponenets skin or possibly reduce them to ash. Contact with lava will practically erase any normal lifeform from existance, rather than just turn them to ash. And, since Godzilla survived being submerged in lava without any harm (and apparently didn't even feel any pain), Diablo's flames will be nothing to him.

Quote[/b] ]Take flames as hot as the surface of the sun and let someone be engulfed by it. Would they survive?

Ah, now I see where you're getting confused. The sun is not made of fire (refering those bursts of energy the sun gives off as "solar flares" is a misnomer). Solar energy and fire are two completely different things. Solar energy is something more along the lines of nuclear energy.

Quote[/b] ]Exactly my point. Which proves Godzilla's skin had been burned

No, that is NOT exactly the point I was making. Acid is in no way heat-based. It does not effect what it comes into contact with in the same way that heat-based things like fire and acid do (there's a reason why I put quotations around the word "burns" when talking about acid). Therefore, it is absolutely irrelevant to make judgements on whether Godzilla can be harmed by fire based on how acid may or may not harm him.

Besides, like I pointed out earlier, what Biollante spits is not acid, but a sap-like substance completely alien and unknown to science that seems to have an Quote[/b] ]acid-like effect on whatever it comes into contact with. But, I'm betting that it's actually more potend than acid.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. It is a prooven and undeniable fact that every single time Godzilla has been put up against some extreme heat source (many of them hotter than the flames Diablo spews), he has survied, unharmed (apparently not even feeling any pain from it). Therefore, it's very silly to assume that fire will do anything to him.

Quote[/b] ]Yall are arguing over a nonfactor. Sending Godzilla to Hell ended it already.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nonono2.gif  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nonono2.gif  You presume way too much. What makes you think Diablo survived long enough to do that (especially since he tends to wait until his opponent is on the edge of death to do that)?

PyrasTerran

April 11th, 2004, 07:43 PM

Quote[/b] ]You presume way too much. What makes you think Diablo survived long enough to do that (especially since he tends to wait until his opponent is on the edge of death to do that)?

He's capable of it, which is what counts. Heisei Godzilla can't jump, Diablo can, and Goji's beam won't do any heat damage to Diablo, only concussive(whether that is enough to damage him or not I can't say)

Zigra

April 11th, 2004, 07:49 PM

True. But, unless Diablo uses that move, he's dead. While Godzilla's ray won't do any good, Godzilla will certainly dominate when it comes to HtH combat.

PyrasTerran

April 11th, 2004, 07:50 PM

Quote[/b] ]True. But, unless Diablo uses that move, he's dead. While Godzilla's ray won't do any good, Godzilla will certainly dominate when it comes to HtH combat.

Unlikely, the only thing Godzilla has going for him in hand-to-hand combat is his Nuclear Pulse. Diablo can run circles around him, and is as strong as he is agile. Not to mention, he can teleport.

Zigra

April 11th, 2004, 08:06 PM

Godzilla has far superior strength (he could easily lift Ghidorah, who I think weighs twice as much as him, above his head), so if Godzilla even manages to catch Diablo, he could smash him to a pulp (Diablo seems about as easy to kill in hth combat as a normal dinosaur). Aside from the "send opponents to Hell" teqhnique, Diablo has nothing that would cause any signifigant damage to Big G.

Edit-Plus, there's something else I just thought of. The heat from Godzilla's beam may not have any effect on Diablo, but I'm certain the the kinetic energy from the beam's blast may do quite a bit of damage to a relatively frail (by kaiju standards) monster like Diablo.

With that in mind, I do see how the kinetic energy (not the heat) from one of Diablo's exploding fireballs might do some damage to Godzilla. But, it would be very minimal (compared to all the missles and beam weapons Godzilla takes on a regular basis), and G would regenerate the damage in the blink of an eye.

PyrasTerran

April 11th, 2004, 08:51 PM

Quote[/b] ]Godzilla has far superior strength (he could easily lift Ghidorah, who I think weighs twice as much as him, above his head), so if Godzilla even manages to catch Diablo, he could smash him to a pulp (Diablo seems about as easy to kill in hth combat as a normal dinosaur). Aside from the "send opponents to Hell" teqhnique, Diablo has nothing that would cause any signifigant damage to Big G.

Godzilla never knocked an opponent into the air, something Diablo can do effectively.

juan

April 11th, 2004, 10:04 PM

Actually Godzilla can do it rather well in G:DAMM and we have seen him throw enemies in to the air in past movies. He picked up and threw MechaGodzilla in GvsMGII. When he and Anguirus fought King Ghidorah and Gigan, he picked up and threw King Ghidorah over his shoulder. Three times.

MirrenDono

April 11th, 2004, 10:09 PM

Yeah dude, Godzilla is the ultimate grapple-throw-performer. He's better than Brock Lesner, Kane, the Undertaker and Goldberg all combined  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

BS Digital Q

April 11th, 2004, 10:47 PM

Quote[/b] (Zigra @ April 11 2004,20:06)]Godzilla has far superior strength (he could easily lift Ghidorah, who I think weighs twice as much as him, above his head)
If your talking about Heisei Goji, your wrong concerning the weight factor. Heisei  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingghidorahsmilie.gif  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingghidorahsmilie.gif  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingghidorahsmilie.gif weighs 88,000 tons. Goji weighs 60,000. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that is not twice Goji's weight.

kent

April 11th, 2004, 11:21 PM

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">Yall are arguing over a nonfactor. Sending Godzilla to Hell ended it already[/QUOTE]

It ended the fight on Earth, but the battle will continue in Hell....

Quote[/b] ]Godzilla never knocked an opponent into the air, something Diablo can do effectively.

Godzilla has knocked in opponent into the air but that's already been explained. And of course Diable can effectively throw opponents into the air...he's Satan!

Tomzilla

April 11th, 2004, 11:45 PM

Zigra-

Heh, I think you missed the point. Fire is not powerful enough to vaporize a human being like that. And no, the energy field did not have multiple settings. The intensity of the energy field when used to raise Godzilla's body temperature was the same when used to vaporize that Saradian agent.

This is what you said: "You forget that the energy field was powerful enough to instantly vaporize a human being (something fire cannot do)."

You were basically saying: "This can vaporize a human being, so it should be able to do A LOT to Godzilla."

I'm not arguing what power fire has, I'm just trying to make out exactly why you're comparing a machine that can vaporize a human with Godzilla.

Even if that's true (which, if I remember correctly, I don't think it is), it's quite clear that the fire Diablo spews is nowhere near as hot as lava.

You're talking about the God of Evil. A creature who for the past thousands of years had been in a deep slumber, surrounded by lava. Diablo's specialty is burning things to dust. Where is your proof that Diablo's flames isn't no where near as hot as lava?

All his flames do is, as worst blacken his opponenets skin or possibly reduce them to ash.

And? You assume these Gods would be unable to dwell in lava. Which is untrue. And are you telling me that if you can reduce an opponent to ash that your attack wasn't hot? You pretty much just contradicted yourself. Diablo can turn his opponents to ash--either way, Godzilla will suffer burn injuries. Either third-degree or second-degree burns.

Contact with lava will practically erase any normal lifeform from existance, rather than just turn them to ash. And, since Godzilla survived being submerged in lava without any harm (and apparently didn't even feel any pain), Diablo's flames will be nothing to him.

Again, Godzilla's body had time to adapt to these changes. But then again, he had never faced the God of Evil whose flames could literally burn hotter than Hell. Naturally, if a creature who had dwelled in the hottest places breathe fire, the fire is bound to be extremely hot.

Ah, now I see where you're getting confused. The sun is not made of fire (refering those bursts of energy the sun gives off as "solar flares" is a misnomer). Solar energy and fire are two completely different things. Solar energy is something more along the lines of nuclear energy.

Um, you assumed that I think the sun it made of fire. I only said: "Take flames as hot as the surface of the sun" - I wasn't specifically saying the surface of the sun is made out of fire. I was just trying to see what you'd say if fire were to achieve those temperatures and engulf a human, would they survive?

No, that is NOT exactly the point I was making.

But it WAS the point I was trying to make.

Acid is in no way heat-based. It does not effect what it comes into contact with in the same way that heat-based things like fire and acid do (there's a reason why I put quotations around the word "burns" when talking about acid). Therefore, it is absolutely irrelevant to make judgements on whether Godzilla can be harmed by fire based on how acid may or may not harm him.

In yet, you were the one who said Biollante's sap was "acid-like" - Thus, her sap isn't technically acid. And since we saw the sap BURN Godzilla's flesh, hence why we saw smoke, we can assume it was quite hot.

Besides, like I pointed out earlier, what Biollante spits is not acid, but a sap-like substance completely alien and unknown to science that seems to have an Quote *
acid-like
effect on whatever it comes into contact with. But, I'm betting that it's actually more potend than acid.

Now do you see where I'm getting at?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. It is a prooven and undeniable fact that every single time Godzilla has been put up against some extreme heat source (many of them hotter than the flames Diablo spews), he has survied, unharmed (apparently not even feeling any pain from it). Therefore, it's very silly to assume that fire will do anything to him.

Once again, you assume Diablo's flames are inferior than the heat attacks Godzilla had encountered. Do you have an evidence to suggest the actual temperature of Diablo's flames? Because it only blackened the hides of the other Gods? That doesn't help your arguement. You have no idea what temperatures it would take to blacken their hides in the first place.

Bottom line, you're dealing with the God of Evil whose main attacks are fire. From a creature who anticipates the thought of turning the entire planet in a pit of fire, you need to understand that Diablo's flames are really, really hot. Heat Godzilla had never encountered before.

And once again: I even said from the start the flames would just blacken Godzilla's hide and burn it.

Scorpion13mk2

April 12th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Quote[/b] ]In yet, you were the one who said Biollante's sap was "acid-like" - Thus, her sap isn't technically acid. And since we saw the sap BURN Godzilla's flesh, hence why we saw smoke, we can assume it was quite hot.

I dont really see the point youre trying to make. Are saying that because the acid was hot it wouldnt hurt Godzilla? Hot acid breaks down materials just like cold acid. And it is nothing like burning with a flame. Acid eating away at something will produce smoke too.

juan

April 12th, 2004, 12:19 AM

Actually I don't think that Diablo is THE Devil. He is said to "evil in its purest form" and he was in a domain of fire and brimstone before the Catyclysm but if he were the real Devil it would have been stated.

Interestingly enough, Godzilla would have actually fought the Devil, or a duplicate thereof, in the unmade film "Godzilla vs the Devil." Considering that the film would have had to have ended with Godzilla winning or at least foiling Satan's plans* it leaves with you something to think for this match.

*Well, you can't the movie end with the Devil winning and destroying the world, can you?

kent

April 12th, 2004, 12:43 AM

Quote[/b] ]*Well, you can't the movie end with the Devil winning and destroying the world, can you?

lol! Nope you can't. Good always triumphs! http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 01:01 AM

Quote[/b] (Scorpion13 @ April 12 2004,00:12)]Quote[/b] ]In yet, you were the one who said Biollante's sap was "acid-like" - Thus, her sap isn't technically acid. And since we saw the sap BURN Godzilla's flesh, hence why we saw smoke, we can assume it was quite hot.

I dont really see the point youre trying to make. Are saying that because the acid was hot it wouldnt hurt Godzilla? Hot acid breaks down materials just like cold acid. And it is nothing like burning with a flame. Acid eating away at something will produce smoke too.
I'm not saying acid is fire or vice versa. I'm simply comparing the two. Point is, we've seen a material burn Godzilla's skin, which leads us to consider the opening that it is possible for other elements/materials to do the same.

Obi-Juan-

Actually I don't think that Diablo is THE Devil. He is said to "evil in its purest form" and he was in a domain of fire and brimstone before the Catyclysm but if he were the real Devil it would have been stated.

I don't think he's The Devil either. But it is possible that the dinosaur form of Diablo is the physical manifestation the Devil chose or well, I honestly don't know. He's considered the God of Evil and quite frankly, that reputation speaks for itself.

PyrasTerran

April 12th, 2004, 11:04 AM

Are God and Devil even in the realm of Urth?

The Great MM

April 12th, 2004, 04:14 PM

I always thought of the Primal Rage kaiju like Mothra, King Kong, Varan, and the Yamato Guardians...that is worshipped as a god, but NOT a god. It would be like going back to Eyptian times with a CD player, a machine gun, a Semi Truck, and a TV/VCR. If you showed them that, chances are they would be like...GOD, we worship him now and he will bring us good luck or what ever.

My point is...I do not think they are gods. Also, I'm gonna change the rules here a bit...

Diablo's sending enemies to center of earth is nullified so is Vertigo's gaze. Just to make this more even and entertaining.

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 08:20 PM

Gather around as I tell a story that is millions of years in the making...

Eons ago, before humans walked the planet, there was RAGE...

Life on Earth was complex, as were the instincts of the planet's life-forms. In order to grow and multiply, there was a delicate balance between the desperate need to protect one's own life and the need to feed off the life energy of the others. As these instincts evolved, so did the gods.

These gods embodied the spirits of Hunger and Survival, Life and Death, Insanity and Decay, and especially, Good and Evil. They took the form that most suited their needs and fought countless battles on the primordial frontiers of the Earth. Life on Earth slowly multiplied, and the gods became more powerful and their battles more intense. When life had spread to all corners of the Earth, the skies shook and the Earth trembled with the fevered pitch of the god's battles. Dinosaurs were the dominant animals on land, and great forests covered almost all available space. New life forms evolved at a rapid rate, and civilizations emerged.

Then the delicate balance was disrupted. Balsafas, a great wizard from a parallel dimension, recognized the threat Earth would soon pose to the rest of the galaxy. To stop the threat, he planned to destroy the balance between the gods. Lacking the power to kill a god outright, he instead banished one to an isolated tomb in the center of the moon. This caused an immediate disturbance in the balance of power, followed by a huge explosion that blanketed the Earth with a huge cloud of volcanic dust. Most of the life on the planet died, and the surviving gods were sent into suspended animation.

Now, millions of years later, a meteor collides with Earth, and its destructive fury rearranges the continents and destroys the cities. Humans survive, but technology is wiped out. The fury of Cataclysms is enough to awaken the imprisoned gods. The gods emerge to find the Earth they knew is gone. It is now the new Urth. The gods are awake, and they are angry. Get ready for Rage!

Behold, the story of the Gods and a world that I'm sure even some of the Daikaiju remember. (Of course, both different universes are not connected.)

Really, it depends your outlook on what a God is. Could be the example MM gave us or someone on the planet could consider giant immortal beast with amazing power to be a God. Just it comes down to what you think is a God.

I for one consider these giants, Gods, least in the dimension they rule. They represent the spirits of the main justifications of our world. All life applies to at least one of those subjects. Thus, all life is connected with whatever the Gods do. Which explains why the world trembles when they fight. The world itself is connected.

PyrasTerran

April 12th, 2004, 08:50 PM

Very interesting.

What does each PR creature represent?

The Great MM

April 12th, 2004, 09:04 PM

If I remember correctly...

Chaos- Decay
Vertigo- Insanity
Armadon- Life
Blizzard- Good
Diablo- Evil
Talon- Survival
Sauron- Hunger

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 10:36 PM

Quote[/b] (Monster Master @ April 12 2004,21:04)]If I remember correctly...

Chaos- Decay
Vertigo- Insanity
Armadon- Life
Blizzard- Good
Diablo- Evil
Talon- Survival
Sauron- Hunger
Yup, that's about right.

Originally, they were hoping to have a final God to represent Death. It was said to look like a dragon skeleton. There's no telling what it could've done...but being the God of Death makes me feel uncomfortable.  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

Husnock

April 12th, 2004, 10:41 PM

Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 12 2004,22:36)]Originally, they were hoping to have a final God to represent Death. It was said to look like a dragon skeleton. There's no telling what it could've done...but being the God of Death makes me feel uncomfortable. *http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif
I remember him!  I used to have an action figure of both that guy and Vertigo (kinda lame, all she did was squirt water).  I don't remember his name, but he looked basically like a dragon skeleton (like you said)  with bare muscles and tendons visible in the torso and body, and skeletal wings with no membranes, just the bones.

Was he the one who was sealed up on the moon?

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 10:46 PM

Quote[/b] (Husnock @ April 12 2004,22:41)]Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 12 2004,22:36)]Originally, they were hoping to have a final God to represent Death. It was said to look like a dragon skeleton. There's no telling what it could've done...but being the God of Death makes me feel uncomfortable. *http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif
I remember him! *I used to have an action figure of both that guy and Vertigo (kinda lame, all she did was squirt water). *I don't remember his name, but he looked basically like a dragon skeleton (like you said) *with bare muscles and tendons visible in the torso and body, and skeletal wings with no membranes, just the bones.

Was he the one who was sealed up on the moon?
Vertigo was the one sealed on the moon.

The dragon-skeleton guy (God of Death) was the one whose domain was a graveyard of dinosaur skeletons. I've seen pictures. I think there was even a huge skeleton as big as Godzilla in the background!

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 10:57 PM

By the way, just checked and the dragon-skeleton guy is called: Necrosan.

Zigra

April 12th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 11 2004,23:45)]
Quote[/b] ]I'm not arguing what power fire has, I'm just trying to make out exactly why you're comparing a machine that can vaporize a human with Godzilla.

I'm not comparing it to Godzilla, I'm comparing it to Diablo. Since the energy field is far more powerful than Diablo's flames,  and since Godzilla was not harmed by that energy field, Godzilla will then, obviously, survive Diablo's flames without any harm.

Quote[/b] ]Where is your proof that Diablo's flames isn't no where near as hot as lava?

Gee, could it be that Diablo's fire does very little more than blacken his oppenents flesh (while lava will practically vaporizes living matter instantly)? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

If Godzilla takes no harm from something that is hot enough to vaporize normal living matter instantly, he's not going to take any harm from something that merely blackens flesh.That is the point I've been trying to ram into your mind, and it should also answer many of the questions you asked below.

Quote[/b] ]Again, Godzilla's body had time to adapt to these changes.

WHAT?! Lava doesn't give you time to "adapt". Like I said above, lava will practically vaporize normal living matter instantly. If Godzilla hadn't already been immune to the lava's heat, he would have been a goner on contact.

Quote[/b] ]Um, you assumed that I think the sun it made of fire. I only said: "Take flames as hot as the surface of the sun" -

But that's the problem fire isn't as hot as the sun. Not even close. Fire only reaches a few hundred degrees (as opposed to the lava Godzilla was in which was about 1500 degrees).

Quote[/b] ]
In yet, you were the one who said Biollante's sap was "acid-like" - Thus, her sap isn't technically acid. And since we saw the sap BURN Godzilla's flesh, hence why we saw smoke, we can assume it was quite hot.

No, we can't assume that. When acid eating away at something causes smoke to rise, it is the result of a chemical reaction. It has nothing to do with heat or burning.

Quote[/b] ]Do you have an evidence to suggest the actual temperature of Diablo's flames? Because it only blackened the hides of the other Gods? That doesn't help your arguement.

No, but the fact that the flames don't even kill the human worshipers does http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Face it, Godzilla has shown again and again that he is 100% immune to heat. So, it's just plain ridiculous to assume that a relatively minor source of heat is going to effect him.

Husnock

April 12th, 2004, 11:13 PM

Quote[/b] (Tomzilla @ April 12 2004,22:46)]Vertigo was the one sealed on the moon.
Teleportation.  It has its perks. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Zigra

April 12th, 2004, 11:41 PM

Adding my two cents on the controversy of the PM kaiju being Gods, while I think they make very cool monsters, they suck as Gods. They just don't seem very God-like in their power. Godzilla's ability to hold enough thermonuclear energy to wipe out all life on Earth at once is far more impressive and God-like than anything the PM monsters can do. Hell, if they can be banished by a non-divine mage, they simply aren't very powerful deities. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 11:53 PM

Zigra-

I'm not comparing it to Godzilla, I'm comparing it to Diablo. Since the energy field is far more powerful than Diablo's flames,  and since Godzilla was not harmed by that energy field, Godzilla will then, obviously, survive Diablo's flames without any harm.

So exactly where did you come to the conclusion that Diablo's flames are inferior than the energy field that strictly used against Godzilla in order to RAISE Godzilla's temperature? It's like comparing a microwave to a flame thrower.

Gee, could it be that Diablo's fire does very little more than blacken his oppenents flesh (while lava will practically vaporizes living matter instantly)?  

Vaporizes living matter instantly, huh? Like it did to Godzilla? Right away, your own statements prove you wrong. Godzilla is evidence to suggest that lava can't vaporize living matter instantly.

You're also comparing the flames of a supernatural creature with flames of our reality. Don't tell me you're the type that would immediately discard everything for what physics tell you, even when it is easily defied with what we see in the movies and in comic books.

If Godzilla takes no harm from something that is hot enough to vaporize normal living matter instantly, he's not going to take any harm from something that merely blackens flesh.

Listen to yourself. You assume the laws of physics from our world applies to that of a comic/game world! In the realms of fiction and our imaginations, science holds no ground. You assume that since Diablo (the GOD OF EVIL--a supernatural creature who can sentence anything to the depths of Hell and capable of burning the entire world to dust) can just blacken the hides of other GODS, then he'd be unable to do the same to Godzilla, since Godzilla was able to survive lava without a scratch.

When it comes to creatures of supernatural abilities, anything the text books taught you is best to be thrown out of the window.

WHAT?! Lava doesn't give you time to "adapt". Like I said above, lava will practically vaporize normal living matter instantly. If Godzilla hadn't already been immune to the lava's heat, he would have been a goner on contact.

In yet, we've seen Godzilla's skin be breached by a mere grenade launcher. This alone tells me that lava would've been hot enough to break through his hide (it would have 4 years to do so). This tells me that either Godzilla's layer of hide, down to the last layer, is extremely thick and was able to repel the lava all this time or Godzilla's cells adapted to these harsh climates and became impervious. That is if we're assuming if Godzilla had been completely covered by lava. Never know, he could've crawled up the side of the walls and out of the lava every once in a while.

(Interesting if you think about it, I would like to know WHAT the heck he did all that time.)

But that's the problem fire isn't as hot as the sun. Not even close. Fire only reaches a few hundred degrees (as opposed to the lava Godzilla was in which was about 1500 degrees).

Fire can reach a heck of a lot more than a few hundred degrees.

But alas, we're debating over a tyrant who had lived for over a million years and had grown even stronger. A creature who is Evil in its purest form. The God of Evil himself, Diablo. And you're telling me the temperature boundaries of its flame is restricted only to a few hundred degrees because of the law of physics?

In the Primal Rage universe, technology is wiped out and everything we thought we knew no longer applies. So once again: How can you use physics that would normally apply but doesn't in this case with a supernatural entity?

In yet, you were the one who said Biollante's sap was "acid-like" - Thus, her sap isn't technically acid. And since we saw the sap BURN Godzilla's flesh, hence why we saw smoke, we can assume it was quite hot.

No, we can't assume that. When acid eating away at something causes smoke to rise, it is the result of a chemical reaction. It has nothing to do with heat or burning.

Yes, that's exactly what acid does. But then again, Biollante's sap isn't necessarily acid now is it? But I have to agree with you that is exactly what Biollante's sap did. So I agree with your above statement.

But would you agree that Biollante's sap caused a chemical burn?

No, but the fact that the flames don't even kill the human worshipers does  

...Where did you draw that conclusion?

Face it, Godzilla has shown again and again that he is 100% immune to heat. So, it's just plain ridiculous to assume that a relatively minor source of heat is going to effect him.

I agree. Only thing is, I just think the first few bursts would be enough to scald his skin. But then again, I think Godzilla's cells are quite capable of adapting and would instantly heal the wounds. Then be immune to the heat Diablo would wield afterwards.

So really, we've been an agreement from the start. I'm just trying to say that it is possible that Diablo's flames would be higher in temperature than what you give them credit for.

Husnock-

Teleportation.  It has its perks.

Indeed it does. Would work wonders in combat...

Tomzilla

April 12th, 2004, 11:55 PM

Quote[/b] (Zigra @ April 12 2004,23:41)]Adding my two cents on the controversy of the PM kaiju being Gods, while I think they make very cool monsters, they suck as Gods. They just don't seem very God-like in their power. Godzilla's ability to hold enough thermonuclear energy to wipe out all life on Earth at once is far more impressive and God-like than anything the PM monsters can do. Hell, if they can be banished by a non-divine mage, they simply aren't very powerful deities. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif
Well, I wouldn't say that...the wars between the Gods would've eventually set the entire galaxy in chaos. I think that dwarfs Godzilla's "can destroy the world" scenario.

Tomzilla

April 13th, 2004, 12:18 AM

Ah, you know what? I'll just concede to ya Zigra. Even if it is possible for Diablo's flames to be hotter, I'll just take your knowledge on everything for granted since you seem to know what your talking about. While I can only base my comments on supernatural hope.

It dawned on me after watching a different scene in Godzilla vs. Biollante. The part where the Super X-2 reflected Godzilla's heat ray back at him. Not only would the force of the reflector beam be amazing, but the heat would also be up there. Kind of like using a magnifying glass.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Zigra

April 13th, 2004, 12:46 AM

I admit that if what Diablo spits is some sort of supernatural "Hellfire", then it might work. Then again, we don't really have much proof of that, and Godzilla himself does seem to be a rather.....supernatural being (I could write a lengthy report about how Godzilla and his kaiju kin basically shatter all known laws of physics)

PyrasTerran

April 13th, 2004, 01:28 PM

Quote[/b] ]Adding my two cents on the controversy of the PM kaiju being Gods, while I think they make very cool monsters, they suck as Gods. They just don't seem very God-like in their power. Godzilla's ability to hold enough thermonuclear energy to wipe out all life on Earth at once is far more impressive and God-like than anything the PM monsters can do. Hell, if they can be banished by a non-divine mage, they simply aren't very powerful deities.

Not every line of gods has to be uber omnipotent. Each universe of gods have them at a different power, but at the max of that universe. The largest boars and wolves of Princess Mononoke weren't all that, but they were nonetheless gods.

MirrenDono

April 13th, 2004, 04:22 PM

Diablo vs. Heisi Godzilla

A very interesting fight. Both big fire breathing lizards. But it's not as close as you may think. Diablo's hell sending is gone, so that hurts him. But he still has the fireballs and flame breath, though sadly that shouldn't do much. Goji as been shown to deal with extreme heat fine, and it seems the fireballs has more push than damage, plus Diablo's firebreath has a very short range. Diablo is nasty in close combat though, so that may help, but once Godzilla grabs him he's done. Not to mention, even if Diablo can stand awesome heat, Goji's beams seem to focus more on plain obliteration than heat, so after a few Diablo's done, plus if the nuclear pulse comes into play Godzilla's got this easily.

Winner- Heisi Godzilla

Sauron vs. Megaguirus

This won't be pretty. Sauron's got the energy blasts, but they're easy to dodge, have more push that pain to them, and Megaguirus has awesome speed. She can easily go into and suck out the energy. There's a problem though- Sauron's shield. Once he knocks her down once he'll just tear her apart and feast on her.

Winner- Sauron

Talon vs. Mecha King Ghidorah

Big pain for the giant raptor. Talon's got agility, speed, jumping skills and claws, but it won't be enough. He'll have to get close to Mecha Ghidorah, which won't be easy with all the beams coming at him. And if Mecha Ghidorah gets him with the cables he's done. Sorry bud, I like ya, but you can't win this one.

Winner- Mecha King Ghidorah

Armadon vs. Heisi Mothra

Ack! Aramadon's my favorite character, but he's done! He can jump high, but Mothra can be as high as she wants in the sky. And those shooting spikes won't be enough to take her down. With all the dang beams she has Armadon will get blasted!

Winner- Heisi Mothra

Vertigo vs. Orga

A closer match. Vertigo has the spit and amazing speed, but those nasty fangs. She'll really tear apart Orga for a while, but his regeneration will continually keep him alive. If it healed him that quick from Millenium's Goji's beam, he'll be fine in here. His beam will blow Vertigo apart after a few hits, and if he manages to jump onto her and bite away, he's gonna turn into one scary kaiju...O_O

Winner- Orga

Chaos vs. Kiryu V. 2

*snickers this is gonna hurt* From what I hear Kiryu's grappling skills rock, and his other weaponry kick butt. Chaos is gonna get blown to bloody bits.

Winner- Kiryu V. 2

Blizzard vs. Battra Larva

Hmm, toughy. Battra has been shown to handle beam attacks well, and his beams aren't weak pieces of junk either. He's got the burrowing too, he's way too overrated in my mind. Blizzard should be able to handle the beams, and after he beats the poop outta him physically, he can just freeze him.

Winner- Blizzard

Primal Rage Team wins- 2

Toho Team wins- 5

juan

April 13th, 2004, 05:57 PM

Dear Tomzilla, I was wondering about what you said about Diablo being the Cevil or not. I believe that you're probably right in your comparison. After all, the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, speaks of Satan trying tp usurp the throne of Heavan in the guise of a many headed red dragon.
  As for the creatures of Primal Rage they are gods (though ones whom I would never worship or even acknowledge). We know this because the instruction manual plainly says so. It really isn't a question of what we want but a matter of what it is.
 Considering what the introductory story says, the Draconians have the potential to menace the galaxy. As I remember the intro reads that the wizard Balsafas sought to contain them. However, as it reads "would soon pose" I believe that the Draconians don't currently have the power to menace the galaxy but merely the potential to do so.
  As for Balsafas, we know not how strong he is. He had the power to defeat a god, Vertigo, but not kill one. That was why he merely trapped her in the moon instead of destroying her. That is all we know. As for her escape, she didn't teleport out. The doomsday meteor that destroyed our civilization managed to weaken the shields sealing her in the moon. It says so in her profile in my Super Nintendo instruction Manual.

PyrasTerran

April 13th, 2004, 07:54 PM

Quote[/b] ]Ack! Aramadon's my favorite character, but he's done! He can jump high, but Mothra can be as high as she wants in the sky. And those shooting spikes won't be enough to take her down. With all the dang beams she has Armadon will get blasted!

You're condescending your favorite Rage creature way too much. Have you forgotten Armadon can conduct bolts of his own(I think she can shoot needles as well, but I'm not sure of that)? Mothra does come in close every now and then, and once she is, Armadon can easily overhwelm her with a surprisingly quick lunge. Not to mention, it'd only take one areal slam from Armadon's back to finish off Mothra.

Quote[/b] ]Vertigo vs. Orga

A closer match. Vertigo has the spit and amazing speed, but those nasty fangs. She'll really tear apart Orga for a while, but his regeneration will continually keep him alive. If it healed him that quick from Millenium's Goji's beam, he'll be fine in here. His beam will blow Vertigo apart after a few hits, and if he manages to jump onto her and bite away, he's gonna turn into one scary kaiju...O_O

If he can hit her, Vertigo can teleport. He may not even get the chance to attack, as Vertigo also has the ability to mindwash him into her slave, if not permanently than temporarily. A good headshot can down Orga, his skin isn't tough at all.

I believe this one makes more sense:

Primal Rage Team wins- 4

Toho Team wins- 3

MirrenDono

April 13th, 2004, 10:41 PM

Quote[/b] ]You're condescending your favorite Rage creature way too much. Have you forgotten Armadon can conduct bolts of his own(I think she can shoot needles as well, but I'm not sure of that)? Mothra does come in close every now and then, and once she is, Armadon can easily overhwelm her with a surprisingly quick lunge. Not to mention, it'd only take one areal slam from Armadon's back to finish off Mothra

Yes he can shoot spines, but from what it seems they can't go very high. And I did forget about the bolts, though I still think it wouldn't be enough. I'm not positive on that statement, I gotta check them out. And Mothra may come in close every so often- in the movie. I doubt she'd got in close when she saw what Armadon was made of- spikes. And there's no way Armadon can get her with the spike-jump. His leaping skills are very mediocre, and Mothra will just stay high.

Quote[/b] ]If he can hit her, Vertigo can teleport. He may not even get the chance to attack, as Vertigo also has the ability to mindwash him into her slave, if not permanently than temporarily. A good headshot can down Orga, his skin isn't tough at all.

I highly doubt one head shot would kill Orga. Besides, the regeneration would heal it very quickly. She'd need to literally rip out a full chuck of his head to do anything. And once he catches her, all he needs to do is bite onto her skinny neck and she's toast. And even if she doesn take control og his mind, Orga's too stupid to listen to her...>_>

4-3? Nah, I still think 2-5  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

PyrasTerran

April 14th, 2004, 11:23 AM

Quote[/b] ]Yes he can shoot spines, but from what it seems they can't go very high. And I did forget about the bolts, though I still think it wouldn't be enough. I'm not positive on that statement, I gotta check them out. And Mothra may come in close every so often- in the movie. I doubt she'd got in close when she saw what Armadon was made of- spikes. And there's no way Armadon can get her with the spike-jump. His leaping skills are very mediocre, and Mothra will just stay high.

His *regular* leaping skills are mediocre. His impaling jump has great reach.

The bolts can definitely help Armadon. I believe they petrify the opponent, so little by little he'd be weighting Mothra down. Heisei Mothra isn't much of a dodger, either, and Godzilla's beam weapon being a threat didn't stop Mothra from getting in close to use her powder.

Quote[/b] ]I highly doubt one head shot would kill Orga. Besides, the regeneration would heal it very quickly. She'd need to literally rip out a full chuck of his head to do anything. And once he catches her, all he needs to do is bite onto her skinny neck and she's toast. And even if she doesn take control og his mind, Orga's too stupid to listen to her...>_>
4-3? Nah, I still think 2-5

The regeneration kicks in a few seconds after the damage is done, it's not immediate. And Vertigo's scorpion tail slash has quite the blade on it, it can do good damage.

If Orga bites in, Vertigo can easily teleport out, or just shrug him off the way Godzilla did.

And the stupider he is, the easier he is to control.

Also remember Vertigo is quite adept at voodoo and dark magic. There's no stopping her from simply turning him into a cow.

At least a 3-3. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

MirrenDono

April 14th, 2004, 12:59 PM

Armadon's bolts petrify? Oh dude okay Mothra's goin' down the toilet... http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Quote[/b] ]The regeneration kicks in a few seconds after the damage is done, it's not immediate. And Vertigo's scorpion tail slash has quite the blade on it, it can do good damage.

If Orga bites in, Vertigo can easily teleport out, or just shrug him off the way Godzilla did.

And the stupider he is, the easier he is to control.

Also remember Vertigo is quite adept at voodoo and dark magic. There's no stopping her from simply turning him into a cow.

The Primal Rage monsters can only use their fatalitis once they weaken their adversaries to the brink of death. I believe the same in this fight...

Which I don't think will happen. Sure she's got teleportation, but she doesn't use it that often, and when she's getting battered she's shown that she can't use it. Once Orga starts smacking her with his hands, he can then go in for a bite. Once he gets her, she won't teleport, and he'll either end up ripping her neck apart or sucking her DNA to make perhaps the nastiest Orga ever. And I she'll just shrug it off. She's too skinny, she won't be able to do so.

And yes he may be easier to control if he's stupid, but if she commands him to do something, he won't do it or understand because he's such a moron  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Okay, so no longer 2-5. How's 3-4 for ya?  http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

juan

April 15th, 2004, 12:33 AM

Armadon's bolt's petrify? I don't remember seeing that in the game. As his attack works he faces his opponent and lunges his body forwards. His forelimbs touch the ground and he whips his tail over his head throwing his tail spines at the enemy. There is the question as to whether Armadon can or cannot aim his tail spines. In the game we only see him throw spines at eye level. If somebody has more information of Armadon's attacks either from the novel or the comic books, it would be appreciated.
  As for Vertigo vs Orga... I would have to hand it to Vertigo. If she can use ver VooDoo spell and do it repeatedly, then Orgo is finished. I do that very often when playing as Vertigo; I use the spell to petrify my opponent, I use "Scorpion Sting" (the exact name eludes me) and then before the opponent has the chance to recover I use VooDoo again so that when he gets up, he gets up into her gaze leaving him paralyzed again and I just keep repeating. It is notcibly easier to do when I leave it at a lower difficulty (aka I dumb the other guy down) and considering that Orga has been said to be dumb, Vertigo has a good chance of getting away with this attack.
  While it is true that Orga has tremendous healing power, if Vertigo were to repeatedly use her Scorpion Sting, Orga's power would not be enough to recover.

kent

April 15th, 2004, 12:43 AM

They made a PR novel?

juan

April 15th, 2004, 12:46 AM

Yes they did. It was called "Primal Rage: The Avatars." I think I left a link for it at the Primal Rage section in Kaiju video games.

Tomzilla

April 15th, 2004, 12:52 AM

Quote[/b] (obi-juan82 @ April 13 2004,17:57)]Dear Tomzilla, I was wondering about what you said about Diablo being the Cevil or not. I believe that you're probably right in your comparison. After all, the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, speaks of Satan trying tp usurp the throne of Heavan in the guise of a many headed red dragon.
* As for the creatures of Primal Rage they are gods (though ones whom I would never worship or even acknowledge). We know this because the instruction manual plainly says so. It really isn't a question of what we want but a matter of what it is.
*Considering what the introductory story says, the Draconians have the potential to menace the galaxy. As I remember the intro reads that the wizard Balsafas sought to contain them. However, as it reads "would soon pose" I believe that the Draconians don't currently have the power to menace the galaxy but merely the potential to do so.
* As for Balsafas, we know not how strong he is. He had the power to defeat a god, Vertigo, but not kill one. That was why he merely trapped her in the moon instead of destroying her. That is all we know. As for her escape, she didn't teleport out. The doomsday meteor that destroyed our civilization managed to weaken the shields sealing her in the moon. It says so in her profile in my Super Nintendo instruction Manual.
I'm skeptical if Diablo is in fact The Devil. It's possible, but I guess we will never know unless it's specified. But I wouldn't doubt it. After all, out of all the Gods in Primal Rage, Diablo fits the bill perfectly.

Diablo

Diablo is evil in its purest form. He was released from a fiery prison deep within the Earth, to which he was drawn by te pain and torment caused in the great Cataclysms. When he has conquered the planet, he will exist to further torture it. If none are left to oppose him, he will burn the entire planet, sparing only the cruel and vicious.

After reading that from my little booklet, I'm almost convinced that Diablo is in fact the Devil of the Primal Rage universe...