Al Sharpton (and Jesse Jackson while we're at it)

[Goji Son]

back on topic, eh?

Yeah, just a great joke that wasn't meant to be obscene on my part.

On a side note, I used to live near Cincinnati a few years back during the "riots" over a young black teen being shot by a white officer. The teen was unarmed and killed while running from the police. What really bothers me about this is that

A) Don't run from the cops. If the cop chases, he's going to probably assume you have something to hide. According to the police officer, the kid reached into his jacket to get what the cop thought was a gun. The policeman opened fire, killing the teen.
B) It's not ALWAYS a race issue. Not to say that is doesn't happen - we know it does - but is it worth RIOTING and DESTROYING property downtown? People actually thinks that helps? Stupidity. You destroy my stuff and chances are I won't like you as much. If you do that to an angry racist who hates you to begin with, then you have a bigger issue and more cause for hate that never should have existed to begin with.

The idiocy is everywhere.

It's not so much idiocy as just pure anger driving some people to the brink of violence. Violence is are number one answer to everything and when emotions are running high and people feel like they are being put into a corner it seems like the only option. Is it right? No, but it's something that's extremely hard to control with rationality, especially when you have an entire mob of people. The problem is, there is no leaders like MLK to invoke the message of non-violence. People like Sharpton or Jackson think that supporting things like this whole debacle and even the LA riots empowers the black people but instead it leads to more people believing that what they are doing leads to the answers that they want. It never does!

King lead millions around the South and did more things to civil rights in the US than any other man and he never once supported using violent force. We don't have anyone like that now and it's starting to show.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Eh, idiocy still reigns supreme...

If Sharpton puses for riots then he gains more and more distaste from the very people he is trying to persuade to stop their actions (KKK, idiots that hang nooses around trees, etc.). I agree with him in principle since I believe no one should be treated differently, just like I agree with Affirmitive Action in theory. But both practives leave much to be desired. They envoke more negative reaction and bring disunity among the very people they should be uniting.

[Raptor]

Violence is are number one answer to everything and when emotions are running high and people feel like they are being put into a corner it seems like the only option. Is it right? No, but it's something that's extremely hard to control with rationality, especially when you have an entire mob of people. The problem is, there is no leaders like MLK to invoke the message of non-violence. People like Sharpton or Jackson think that supporting things like this whole debacle and even the LA riots empowers the black people but instead it leads to more people believing that what they are doing leads to the answers that they want. It never does!

King lead millions around the South and did more things to civil rights in the US than any other man and he never once supported using violent force. We don't have anyone like that now and it's starting to show.Throw in the media and you've got an even more volatile mix, with no moderator in sight.
If Sharpton puses for riots then he gains more and more distaste from the very people he is trying to persuade to stop their actions (KKK, idiots that hang nooses around trees, etc.).Sharpton and Jackson are NOT King and any black who would have them speak for them needs to see through their sham. I agree with him in principle since I believe no one should be treated differently, just like I agree with Affirmitive Action in theory. But both practives leave much to be desired. They envoke more negative reaction and bring disunity among the very people they should be uniting.The PRINCIPLES behind the legislation are sound but I think those screaming the loudest against the smallest failures only want to add fuel to past wrongs. Instead of "progress", I'm seeing backlash AND ignorance, and not necessarily on the part of citizens from Jena.

ADDITIONAL: Nagin (http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/09/nagin_to_join_protestors_in_je.html) showed up. Maybe he would be better off trying to cover HIS butt...

[Dr. Strangelove]

You know, you have a very bad attitude, young man.

Oh, and before you can try to crack another stupid joke or say something smirky to make yourself sound intelligent, I mean exactly what I say by that: I ain't gonna debate anyone, not on this issue. Know why? Because I'm right, and anyone who needs me to "prove" how I'm right is merely feces to be scraped off my shoe.
Alright, dumbass, here's a lesson in politics from the forum's bloody Anarchist.


This *IS* counter racism. Why? Because. Black people *DO* get more sympathy in courts because of something white people did a few hundred years ago. And if they didn't, pricks like Al Sharpton would raise hell over it, citing it as "The next great oppression of the black race!"

Little ******* is a black Hitler without the hatred for jews(don't quote me on that, he might hate jews too). And before you call me a 'racist white pig', I'm a Native American. Black people are still around in bloody droves, and still have their ******* continent. The land of MY people was taken from them, and we're almost all dead.

Bloody little "teh black ppls got its hardz!" Go out and actually see how things are.

[Gorjirus]

*high fives Doc*

[Goji Son]

Is this really the consensus on this board? Tell me now so I know never to post here again. I do not associate myself with people who are too backwards to know that the color of a person's skin has nothing to do with their character. If that's how it is here I'll find somewhere else to post, becasue I ain't having none of that.

You know what? Don't even bother trying to explain to me. If this board is filled with racist slimebags then just delete my account, remove my work from the fanart section, and ban me permanently, and that will be the end of it. Because I ain't gonna debate no one.

Considering that no member has made an outright racist remark about this ordeal and I even stood up for and understood why these boys decided on such a violent resolve actually kind of offends me since you make such a rash, general statement.

There was never any doubt that there was racial tensions, the only argument that came up was whether or not these boys should be convicted for the crime they committed. Do you think they should be fully expelled for beating a fellow classmate because of events that lead to it? What kind of message does that send? That violence is the only antidote to racism yet it has done a lot more harm than good! I don't think these boys should be severely punished but sentence should be given and others should be involved as well, such as the other classmates who pulled guns on them and threatened them, the school administrators who ignored the warnings and even the police. But they probably never come into question because there isn't enough 'evidence' against them, except for the classmates.

So, you would rather just turn a cheek to someone who is a racist rather than trying to engage in a conversation and find out why they believe in such a thing. Why not confront people about this? If it truly upsets you then do something about it, don't just tuck tail and take to the "moral high ground".

This *IS* counter racism. Why? Because. Black people *DO* get more sympathy in courts because of something white people did a few hundred years ago. And if they didn't, pricks like Al Sharpton would raise hell over it, citing it as "The next great oppression of the black race!"


I know you're not using OJ as your evidence because that's faulty, he used his fame to garner sympathy not his race. I have never heard a court give any sympathy to a crackhead from Queens who raped someone and he just got 5 months probation. Maybe on a few morally ambiguous cases there is sympathy but most of the time it's pretty much evenly dispersed and class usually plays a big role in it as well.


Little ******* is a black Hitler without the hatred for jews(don't quote me on that, he might hate jews too). And before you call me a 'racist white pig', I'm a Native American. Black people are still around in bloody droves, and still have their ******* continent. The land of MY people was taken from them, and we're almost all dead.


Yeah, I don't think Sharpton ordered the genocide of Jews, gays, and the handicapped either so this comparison is a tad bit hyperbolic. You might have had something with Jesse Jackson since he did call Manhattan "Kymie-town" during his presidential run. I am no supporter of Al but his influence leaves a lot of be desired and his involvement in anything usually bares little significances (barring the Imus thing). Black people didn't have a choice when they came here, they were slaves taken out of their own "****ing continent" which, coincidentally enough, was taken over by the imperialistic white man! If you want to play the "country of origin" card, then you beef is with Central Asia my friend, since that's your true homeland.

[Raptor]

It's pretty damn atrocious, when someone can take something that's an example of clear racism like this and turn it around on the victims. That's just it with the Norfolk deal. The cops weren't there so no one can add on hate crime charges until EVIDENCE of such THAT WILL STAND UP IN COURT is presented. The kid attacked did mention one of the perps PREVIOUSLY having hassled him. Were theere witnesses? Did he report it? No doubt be spoke with his mom about the CLIMATE at school. What action (if any) was taken on her part? Prior similar incidents at the school: Were there any? Let's see what the investigation reveals. Jena, I think we've got figured out.It's their fault for beating up a white kid? One of those "innocent victims" pulled a shotgun on one of these black kids a few days before, and the black kid who took it from him, to avoid getting shot, got arrested for grand theft while the white kid who pulled the gun didn't even get charged. Bet they didn't cover that angle on Fox news, did they? Get your facts straight before going on a rant. I linked the JENA TIMES timeline which details this. Is this supposed to be an inflammatory attempt to make the Jena 6 look better than they really are? It's not gonna work unless the entire country is full of brain dead idiots. There seem to be enough, though, where people like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson think they can pull their strings and organize massive marches at the drop of a hat. Next stop Norfolk. All aboard the bus to glory. :hmmm: They going to REALLY make a difference in the long run? Best everyone stay home and focus on their own communities, INCLUDING NORFOLK IMO.
Whenever something like this happens we always get those people who claim "counter racism." Fine and dandy, but it doesn't fly when the deck is already obviously stacked in your favor. Don't try to tell me that society is colorblind nowadays, because it's not. Racism is alive and well today, and anyone who says Black people have a leg up on whites simply becasue their plights get more airtime is fooling himself. It's only going to get worse IMO if the past keeps getting dredged up AS A GRUDGE and EXCUSE for acting stupid NOW. For all I care, throw a FEDERAL charge on ALL inter-racial assaults. That should level the playing field and take it to the courtroom rather than the 6 o'clock news.
Is this really the consensus on this board? Tell me now so I know never to post here again. I do not associate myself with people who are too backwards to know that the color of a person's skin has nothing to do with their character. If that's how it is here I'll find somewhere else to post, becasue I ain't having none of that.Is this supposed to be a guilt trip or something? No dice.
Don't even bother trying to explain to me. If this board is filled with racist slimebags then just delete my account, remove my work from the fanart section, and ban me permanently, and that will be the end of it. Because I ain't gonna debate no one.I think YOU are the one who needs to open your eyes. Check the Little Rock coverage where the nine students made their statements. Race relations still needs a lot of work in many parts of the world. THAT'S where it's at, not some blitz on a little town. Is Norfolk trying to prevent another "photo op"? Maybe. Again, it goes back to the SCHOOL. Is someone trying to be PC? I'm coming across A LOT of that when it comes to schools for some reason. REALITY CHECK, people! Get along or else. What's so hard about that? It goes against what Rev. Al and your racist Pa says? They both need to get a life and move on.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Pfft, rallies will do NOTHING except make more conflict. Rallies, marches, etc... It is supposed to be non-violent, yet in Cincinnati a few years back it led to full-blown riots with massive property damage AND violence. It incites the very behavior it wants to be eliminated in many respects. Do you really think the racists are sitting at home thinking about changing their ideals when the 6 o'clock news talks about the "non-violent" marches turning downtown into a violent excuse to vandalize and steal?

[Raptor]

"Rev." Al Sharpton appears to be more of a gadfly than anything IMO. An interesting article from 2 years ago (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200507/POL20050729c.html), slamming the Democratic Party, probably because he didn't get elected President. :dozing: Clinton gets ripped for building more jails! :laugh:
I was actually looking for other coverage of THIS (http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur37067.cfm): That mean ol' Neo-Nazi web site is now targetting HIM!

[Hybrid Gojira]

Wow - Quotes from the page Raptor posted:

Bill Clinton built a lot of jails and passed the omnibus crime bill," Sharpton said

....He's mad about BUILDING jails? How on God's green Earth can he be upset about that.

Sharpton noted that African-American men make up 6 percent of the U.S. population but 44 percent of the nation's prison population.

That might be it. One can only assume. Still, no one FORCED people to persue crimes. Anyone who perpertuates this "my life sucks and I have an excuse" bull crap needs to be educated and shown they CAN achieve a normal, civil American life. The only thing I agree with him on is the Crime bill, which took away the ability of inamates to receive post-secondary education by stopping pell grants from being given.

unemployment in our community and they do nothing to deal with eliminating those problems," Sharpton explained.

In certain areas, unemployment IS an issue because smaller towns usually have a few businesses that keep the town going. if the economy sucks, the business struggles, layoffs ensue, etc...

BUT (!) unemployment in America IMO is because people are much too lazy to look for jobs when given ample opportunity. That's my issue. The government can't force people to work, especially if they are receiving enough monetary aid as is. That goes for anyone.

"Imagine me going to a convention of whites who half of them were unemployed and I smiled, waved, sing a hymn and leave. They would whip me in the parking lot before [I left]," he said to laughter and applause.

Very witty, but if a white said the same thing he would be shunned, persecuted and then his position would be in jeopardy as people would call for resignation. Sorry Al, you can't set the double standard like that. Well, maybe he can as people weren't insulted by this. I certainly was, but can admit his comment was in jest and a joke. Still, there;s NO way a white politican could make the same statement. Pfft.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Candidates Voice Outrage on 'Jena 6' (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/19/post_81.html)


An analysis (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscamp0921,0,3879551.story?track=rss). Read the comments posted also. We've got a separate discussion topic about the situation in News/Current Events and the LAW and ACLU topics. There is also Jesse Jackson criticizing Obama (http://www.thestate.com/local/story/177514.html).

The Hell? WTF would Sharpton criticize Obama for? He's black, a so-far successful black candidate, and he's someone I'm leaning towards. <.< Besides, the only different between a Republican and a Democrat is that a Republican is open with the venom, hate and partisan shilling, while the Democrats try and fail miserably to act normal. >.>

[Hybrid Gojira]

Taken from the article Candidates Voice Outrage on 'Jena 6':

Obama was "acting like he's white," the paper quoted Jackson as saying.

You're kidding, right? This is one of the most outspokenly racist comments made by a politician. Yeah, Jackson's all for equality - over white people. That is what it implies. That either whites don't understand blacks, or that Jackson is a flat-out racist.

*vomits*

He can jump up and down at Obama for not Jena 6-ing the race for president, but yet I don't hear him saying ANYTHING about the beatings in Virgina. Ironic? No. Disgusting? Absolutely.

[anguirus55]

By the sociological definition of "racism," one cannot be racist if one denigrates the dominant group (white).

One can still, however, be a raging 'tard.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Pfft, either way he's an idiot.

[Raptor]

WE may realize that but when will all those who seem to worship and idolize him wake up?

[Zigra]

While we're on the subject of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's hypocrisy, below is a lengthy article discussing a particular black supremacist cult that was causing trouble down in Georgia. When you read the article, take note of what Sharpton and Jackson, especially Jackson, had to say about the cult-

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=85


If there is anybody here who still believes that Jackson and Sharpton give a damn about civil rights, I think this should finally shatter that illusion.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Disgusting, as usual.

Jackson can stick his "American Dream" where the sun don't shine, and Sharpton makes me want to vomit and throw him in jail. To defend a group of people who indoctrinize hate against people (white in this case) should be a crime. Sharpton's "just because they don't like what you preach" comment is the definition of hypocrisy. If someone defended the KKK with the same statement he would be whining and crying (for good reason this time) yet he defends this group of perverts (read the article) and violent pricks?

Pfft.

[EternalMothra]

I definately agree, it is sickening.

[Zigra]

Disgusting, as usual.

Want to be disgusted even more? Take a look at the Wiki entry for the cult-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nuwaubian_Nation_of_Moors


I think these guys actually give Scientology a run for it's money in looniness.

[Raptor]

The city let them build those eyesores in the first place? :eh: Where was the IRS during all the investigations? Even "churches" are subject to audit...
Seriously, great finds, Zig. I've already mentioned that falling in behind Jackson and Sharpton isn't the best idea. Too bad the NATIONAL ENQUIRER isn't still around to sue York for plagarism! :laugh: Pass the ammo...

[Raptor]

Throw in the media and you've got an even more volatile mix, with no moderator in sight.

The PRINCIPLES behind the legislation are sound but I think those screaming the loudest against the smallest failures only want to add fuel to past wrongs. Instead of "progress", I'm seeing backlash AND ignorance, and not necessarily on the part of citizens from Jena.Lititz, PA (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11/race.teens.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview). What is it, a good time of the year or something where the news reports remind you of the "meteors" at the end of WITHOUT WARNING, the WAR OF THE WORLDS TV movie? :angry: A kid shoots up his school and kills himself. Another gets cut off at the pass and then there's all that noose business. I can't see how the dummies in PA's situation can be compared to Coon's environment. They felt "threatened" by minorities? YOU GIVE REDNECKS A BAD NAME, YOU DUMBASSES!
To top it all off, a black guy got turned down to lease some base property (a messed up deal to begin with). What does he tell a reporter? "I've contacted some different individuals to kind of see what can be done." He said two of those individuals are the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton.I know he's disappointed about the way things are going but that was a real boner IMO.

[Raptor]

I guess we'll have to wait our turn. :laugh: It seems poster boy Mychal Bell is back in jail (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-11-jena6-case_N.htm?csp=34) for violating his probation by making HIS home town the focus of J & A's attention. Aw, gee. Those two didn't make the front page but ended up on Page 2 today...

YELLOW ALERT, COURIER NEWS!

[Hybrid Gojira]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ilo393IsgUE



Al Sharpton vs. Hannity.

Warning! Bias. But still a great video.

Edit: Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Q95ldhsEQ

[Dr. Strangelove]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ilo393IsgUE



Al Sharpton vs. Hannity.

Warning! Bias. But still a great video.

Edit: Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Q95ldhsEQ
...

;_;..damn you for getting my hopes up. I wanted to see Hannity and Sharpton fight to the death. Hopefully killing each other.

[Hybrid Gojira]

LOL, sorry to disappoint. Next time maybe you can supply the swords?

Amusing yes. I haven't watched a whole lot of Hannity but he totally owns Sharton in those vids.

Sharpton pulls the old "dodge the question, blame the other guy" thing over and over. I don't think he actually responded to ANYTHING he said, nor to his hypocritcal actions that Hannity brought up.

Surprising? Not in the least.

[Raptor]

Seeming to be pretty much "spokespeople", these two at least deserve a topic of their own! :darklord:

[Hybrid Gojira]

You're sure about that?

[SuperXAsh]

I despise men like Sharpton and Jackson. Especially Jackson, who seems to gravitate towards any spotlight and camera he can find. To me they're con-men, duping their own people into believing things solely to benefit themselves, their careers and their wallets. I also see these two morons as riding on the coat tails of men like Martin Luthor King.

I also despise how the media seems to ignore some of the less than noble things these men have done or said over the last few years.

And my hatred towards them is not based on their skin color... but on their character.

[Kaiser Kronos]

OK fellas, here's a little gem for you:

Let's pretend that you are black for a moment, those of you who are white, will you? Let's suppose that you were taken to the North American continent for the sole reason that the Natives weren't good enough to be slaves on the plantations and northern farms. That's the only reason blacks were taken here to start with. Now, your family arrives in North America, along with hundreds of others, sold by your own people into a life on a continent you know not. Now, this family has arrived. Only, they missed the 1670s, and are not even given the dubious honor some white folks shared of being "indentured servants." This family is treated like, pardon my French, ****, and beaten and whipped, the men forced to endure the slaveowner having every one of their women he desires, while they are stuck powerless, in fear of the overseer. These people, men and women, boys and girls, as human as you or I, as human as we are, caught in the fear of the bullwhip and that Bubba on the street corner will hurt you, irrational, a little bit, as the only thing that saves you is that you are no better than the Owner, as if you were nothing but a book to read and then discard, property. Hence, it is your own value as an object, not a person that saves you from getting lynched.

Your family, ultimately, due to somewhere down the line, having a physically able male or female child, is separated, as the owner sells a child, one of your own flesh and blood, on a (pardon my French again) ****ing auction block. Now, it's the 1860s, and years of this have led to your descendants scattered all over this land, all in the Deep South. Whitey prepares to fight a monstrously bloody war. It comes, yet your owner tries to keep you from finding out about it. Two of your family's men run off to fight in the war. One gets massacred by the Rebels for being subhuman (how they were seen at the time) at Fort Pillow, the other becomes a veteran of the Army of the Potomac.

War's over. Whitey's taking away all that you gained, through the ending of slavery. For a time, the Northern Army, and your other cousin with it, occupies the South. Eventually, due to a terrorist campaign and political insurgency (the KKK) it withdraws. Your cousin is killed for being an "uppity n****er."

Your descendants are now suffering through terror of lynchings that seem almost as if they are offerings to some dark pagan god, a horror that dwarfs even the fevered imagination of today's Fundies.

Further on, the 1960s, Whitey says, "you have yer rights now! Git on wit' it!"

Afraid to succeed due to Whitey's killing you for it before, you don't.

Understand the Sharpton-Jackson appeal now?

[Dr. Strangelove]

OK fellas, here's a little gem for you:

Let's pretend that you are black for a moment, those of you who are white, will you? Let's suppose that you were taken to the North American continent for the sole reason that the Natives weren't good enough to be slaves on the plantations and northern farms. That's the only reason blacks were taken here to start with. Now, your family arrives in North America, along with hundreds of others, sold by your own people into a life on a continent you know not. Now, this family has arrived. Only, they missed the 1670s, and are not even given the dubious honor some white folks shared of being "indentured servants." This family is treated like, pardon my French, ****, and beaten and whipped, the men forced to endure the slaveowner having every one of their women he desires, while they are stuck powerless, in fear of the overseer. These people, men and women, boys and girls, as human as you or I, as human as we are, caught in the fear of the bullwhip and that Bubba on the street corner will hurt you, irrational, a little bit, as the only thing that saves you is that you are no better than the Owner, as if you were nothing but a book to read and then discard, property. Hence, it is your own value as an object, not a person that saves you from getting lynched.

Your family, ultimately, due to somewhere down the line, having a physically able male or female child, is separated, as the owner sells a child, one of your own flesh and blood, on a (pardon my French again) ****ing auction block. Now, it's the 1860s, and years of this have led to your descendants scattered all over this land, all in the Deep South. Whitey prepares to fight a monstrously bloody war. It comes, yet your owner tries to keep you from finding out about it. Two of your family's men run off to fight in the war. One gets massacred by the Rebels for being subhuman (how they were seen at the time) at Fort Pillow, the other becomes a veteran of the Army of the Potomac.

War's over. Whitey's taking away all that you gained, through the ending of slavery. For a time, the Northern Army, and your other cousin with it, occupies the South. Eventually, due to a terrorist campaign and political insurgency (the KKK) it withdraws. Your cousin is killed for being an "uppity n****er."

Your descendants are now suffering through terror of lynchings that seem almost as if they are offerings to some dark pagan god, a horror that dwarfs even the fevered imagination of today's Fundies.

Further on, the 1960s, Whitey says, "you have yer rights now! Git on wit' it!"

Afraid to succeed due to Whitey's killing you for it before, you don't.

Understand the Sharpton-Jackson appeal now?


No. Because none of them have been ever been slaves. They're just descended-from.

[Morgoth]

No, I don't. They're two-bit thugs and rabble-rousers. What they appeal to is the same base 'woe is me, I'm a victim' mentality that is destroying this country. The only difference between these guys and the likes of Anton Drexler and Adolf Hitler is sharp uniforms.

Christ, KK, everybody has been oppressed, enslaved and reviled at some point in their history. The difference is evolving past that and carving a place for yourself in the world as soon as the chains are off. But, of course, there's a toxic element of black society in America that has done just that by trying to keep the rest of that society in the victim mentality because then they are easier to manipulate and control. And, of course, anybody who does succeed is obviously an oreo and traitor to their race!

[Zigra]

Kaiser, you're wasting your time trying to defend thinly disguised bigots like Sharpton and Jackson. If I ever had any sympathy for those two, I would have lost it all when learning how they defended and spoke on behalf of the Nuwaubians, a black supremacist cult (look back in this thread; I posted the link for that).

[Kaiser Kronos]

I wasn't defending Sharpton and Jackson. I was explaining my view on how they could be seen as defenders of blacks. I have a lot of Irish heritage, and for at least half to a full century, the Irish were seen as subhuman despite being every bit as lilly white as the Anglo-Saxons then dominant. Hell, for that matter, Italians used to be seen as a subhuman race of brutes due to their pathetic performances on scholastic examinations.

I suppose, what I was trying to say, was that some blacks, perhaps not all, perhaps not most, still probably fear to succeed because they fear the noose and the Klan. The Klan is gaining members very, very quickly.

IMHO, if anyone still deserves victim status, it's Native Americans who have a higher infant mortality rate than blacks, and who live on third-world shithole locations called reservations, out of sight and out of mind. However, it strikes me as odd that both blacks and Native Americans have infant mortality rates (i.e. kids die off like bunnies) that seem to belong in places like Vietnam or Afghanistan.

This isn't either. The Federal Government was going to pass a Hate Crimes Law, and it was shot down, as well. Hatred of all sorts is rampant still in the USA. Fifty or so years since the Civil Rights Act didn't change much, not if the majority of the people I know in my area of the country are any guide, since most of them are scared of the black kids sitting by them. Or the black adults thinking that they should be entitled to something equal to Bubba. People will, in public, condemn the Klan and the Nationalist Movement, scheduled to hold a rally in Jena this MLK day, then in private explode with anti-black sentiment that seems reminiscent of what their slave-holding ancestors would approve of. No, it hasn't changed, not when people are afraid down here that a perfectly normal-looking person will take a gun and shoot you for no reason other than you have lighter skin pigment. Racism hasn't died in the South. It's simply been taking (and remains dormant in most) a helluva long nap.

As for their (Sharpton and Jackson) being Drexler and Hitler, I would have to disagree. They remind me more of the non-Nazi far right in Germany in the '20s. The actual Hitler-Drexler equivalents would be the Nation of Islam. These people are fundamentally no different than David Duke or Jeff Schoep, and are every bit the huckster. Blacks and Whites are equal, as they only differ in the level of skin pigment. They are both equally human, therefore equally amoral, thuggish *******s that believe they are superior and that they deserve to have absolute power (Nation of Islam, Nwaubians, Christian Identity, the schismatic Neo-Nazi movement). Only difference is, one has 39 or so million, the other over 221. So, hucksters from one can do a lot more damage with proportionally less of their population believing them. Yeah, Sharpie and Jackie are hucksters. But no more than the Klan or the White Power movement.

[Morgoth]

That's a valid point, they are exploiters rather than actual bigots. That actually makes them worse, disingenuous opportunists who encourage segregation and oppression in order to maintain control over their people. They'd be more akin to the German conservatives who thought they could use the Nazis to further their own ends and expand their power base. And like them, these two slimebags are going to find out someday that they've encouraged a monster they can't control.

[SuperXAsh]

My biggest problem with this is that if ANYONE tries to bring this up in the public square, they're immediately called racists, or if it's a black person saying it, a racial traitor. e_e

[Hybrid Gojira]

Yes, I understand the appeal of Sharpton and Jackson. They seem to be the only voice the black community has fighting for it (there are others, but obviously these two are well-known). The sad part is that these two idiots are not fighting for equality for blacks, but rather anything that involves a black person. They fought for nubians and referred to it as the "American Dream." They fought for Jena 6, yet ignore the fact that a white teen was brutally beaten by 5 blacks and it was CAUGHT ON TAPE, unlike Jena 6. They would rather bicker a moan about every possible racist senario than fight what is right and just. If you are fighting for equality, don't support blacks who hate whites. Maybe then "whitey" would listen, whitey in this case being average joe who is sane and not a racist and values diversity and equality.

ANytime someone asks Sharpton a valid, pointed question his response is only to point the finger and bring up some other event that hurt blacks. He never answers questions, he dodges them and raises more problems. He blamed Clinton for building jails ONLY because blacks are the number 1 ethnicity in prison, yet fails to accept the fact that those who are in prison committed a crime. But no, the white man made them do it, made the jail, and they couldn't help it.

[Burkion]

That's because they're idiots who deserve nothing less then our highest regard.

And by regard, I mean bullet.

...no, wait. They don't even fetch a good bullet.

Strangelove, go fetch me a fuzzy green bullet out of the grave of some dead guy, mmkay? I'm goin' idiot huntin'.

Right after I torch Marvel.

[Gorjirus]

Right after I torch Marvel.


DON'T TOUCH MY MARVEL!

[Burkion]

Tell your Marvel to stop sucking.

[Gorjirus]

Just because they screwed over some wussy emo guy, doesn't mean they are sucking.

[Morgoth]

'Hey, let's rewrite history (that we screwed up royally over the years) by having the Devil just wave his magic pitchfork around!'

Yeah, that's some brilliant writing right there. Best writing since, I dunno, Batman acquired a Bat-Ape to help him solve crime or Wonder Woman's recurring foe that was a giant egg. Or, hell, lets just throw in Maximum Carnage and its follow on, the exceedingly retarded Maximum Clonage while we're at it. Stan Lee should have burned that place to the ground when he left.

[Raptor]

DON'T TOUCH MY MARVEL!Want to bet Sharpton and Jackson COULD come up with something negatory to say about the Marvel Universe if it fitted their purposes? ;)

[Raptor]

"Close this city down (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080427/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting_protests_5)" - The latest adventure of Super Sharpton.

Ask an "expert" (http://www.newsweek.com/id/134212?from=rss) - duh...

Background (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell)

[Morgoth]

Sadly, I think Al has a point this time. I was all behind the cops, I mean everyone makes mistakes. Then I found out they fired 50 Rounds. Gimme a break!

[Raptor]

“Contagious shooting (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/nyregion/27fire.html?_r=1&ex=1165640400&en=20c0f57dec1d05ce&ei=5070&oref=slogin)”

Also, don't forget they were using semi-automatics vs. 6-shot revolvers. The Wiki article has a lot of good references. "10 seconds of hell" probably best describes what the cops were experiencing at the time.

[Raptor]

Guess who went and got himself arrested (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6126795&iref=topnews) for Disorderly Conduct? Bet we'll be hearing about THAT from him also... :angry:

[Komissar]

Juan Williams, man. He's been raising Cain about these clowns for years. You'd think someone would have listened by now...

[Hybrid Gojira]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_re_us/sharpton_s_money

I'm surprised that no one pointed this out yet -

Yes, let's whine about how rich get never get taxed enough and take endorsements and money from people....and fail to pay your own taxes. What more do people need to see through this guy?

And you have t love the response...saying that people are pusposely attacking him and he will continue his fight...

I don't care if people are purposely attacking him. He still failed to pay his taxes, and that still falls on him.

[Komissar]

HAH! And everybody rushes to his side to protect him. This sounds like a typical cult of personality to me. He seems to deliver so little at cost of so much...

[Raptor]

Sharpton Attacks Media Coverage of Michael Jackson (http://http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b132724_al_sharpton_wants_michael_jackson_stamp.ht ml).

Guess he couldn't pass up an opportunity to get HIS name out there...