Parallel universes proven; France surrenders

[Bruticus]

I think this pretty much speaks for itself (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TTVH3ZZMUG31NQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQ YIV0?xml=/earth/2007/09/21/sciuni121.xml).


Parallel universes really do exist, according to a mathematical discovery by Oxford scientists that sweeps away one of the key objections to the mind boggling and controversial idea.

[Burkion]

ME GO TO ANIME LAND NOW!

[Neo-Crucifer]

This calls for a Megalomaniac Post™!1!! Because...BECAUSE...


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sorry.

[godofPH]

This calls for a Megalomaniac Post™!1!! Because...BECAUSE...


I CAN SEE IT! I CAN FEEL IT! A MILLION WORLDS, ALL WAITING AT MY FINGERTIPS! IT IS MINE!! ALL MINE!!!!!! POWER!!!!! UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIII IIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-


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sorry.

I'm just going to have to use my Keyblade to lock those worlds away from your insidious influence...

[EternalMothra]

Ohhh, this sounds lovely. *can visit my own little world now LOL*

[Zardac the Great]

Bah. The article says it was "proven mathematically," and in my experience, you can prove whatever you want to mathematically.

I'll start paying attention when they actually open a portal to another world. (I want to go to Narnia...)

Anyway...I'm unimpressed, and it's not like the article actually gave any specifics on HOW it was proven mathematically.

I want to see a world where all the quantum events suddenly decide to blow up. Oddly enough, that never seems to happen to us...yeah.

[BS Digital Q]

Ditto'd. Mathematics is immaterial. Human error isn't.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Bah. The article says it was "proven mathematically," and in my experience, you can prove whatever you want to mathematically.

I'll start paying attention when they actually open a portal to another world. (I want to go to Narnia...)

Anyway...I'm unimpressed, and it's not like the article actually gave any specifics on HOW it was proven mathematically.

I want to see a world where all the quantum events suddenly decide to blow up. Oddly enough, that never seems to happen to us...yeah.

..well, if the theory is indeed true, there's probably several universes that are experiencing just that, right now. There'd be, quite literally, an infinite number of them. Every thing you've ever imagined, ect..probably exists -somewhere- in the outer reaches of our existence.

[Zardac the Great]

I'd settle for say...Mt. Everest to suddenly disappear. When something like that happens in OUR Paraworld...let me know.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I'd settle for say...Mt. Everest to suddenly disappear. When something like that happens in OUR Paraworld...let me know.
Our laws of physics state that, that cannot happen. These parallel universes would have totally different laws of physics(well, some would).

[Zardac the Great]

According to the article, a new Paraworld forms for each quantum event. By the nature of the beast, there will be Paraworlds where things happen physics say shouldn't happen.

When I see our Paraworld on the recieving end of that, I'll change my mind.

[Dr. Strangelove]

According to the article, a new Paraworld forms for each quantum event. By the nature of the beast, there will be Paraworlds where things happen physics say shouldn't happen.

When I see our Paraworld on the recieving end of that, I'll change my mind.
You do understand that the universe is nigh-unimaginably large, and that a quantum event could occur at any given moment with no notice to us?

[Zardac the Great]

Very Well.


If a moon blows up, I will be satisfied. :darklord:

[godofPH]

When you open a portal to the universe where Cowboys still exist and ride dinosaurs instead of horses, THEN I'll believe your parallel universe hooblah!

[Angiru-San]

Proven mathematically?

.....Really?.....

....Says who, God?

[Zigra]

You know, I don't recall them explaining their "proof" in that article. Just like when there was a recent Yahoo! News article about why many scientists have come to the conclusion that traveling back in time is impossible, not a single scientist interviewed explained what evidence they had to prove that. "Yeah, it's impossible. Don't ask why, just take our word for it".

[Kaiser Kronos]

When you open a portal to the universe where Cowboys still exist and ride dinosaurs instead of horses, THEN I'll believe your parallel universe hooblah!

To PH: Impossible. Dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, except for birds.
Cowboys are a recent creation due to Industrial Revolution-era agriculture and the specific environment of the North and South American West.

To Zardac: This is the same British media incapable of telling what parts of the UK are which, and you expect it to understand high-level physics? Pshaw. BTW, Relativity and Gravitation are only proven Mathematically. Things falling down =/= gravity.

[SuperXAsh]

Awww... and I was hoping to find that world with Cowboys and Dinosaurs. ;_;

I'm sure there's a world where the Nazis won, a world where the Soviet Union won the Cold War and/or Space Race, a world where Nixon didn't resign, and a world where Ralph Nader actually wins an election. o.o

[Hybrid Gojira]

Stupid, stupid, stupid article. Thanks for nothing.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Awww... and I was hoping to find that world with Cowboys and Dinosaurs. ;_;

I'm sure there's a world where the Nazis won, a world where the Soviet Union won the Cold War and/or Space Race, a world where Nixon didn't resign, and a world where Ralph Nader actually wins an election. o.o
Or where Napoleon wins at Waterloo, or where Trotsky became head of the Soviet Union instead of Stalin, or where Lenin's life wasn't cut short, or maybe where Japan won a larger victory and captured Vladivostok in the Russo-Japanese War...


Or maybe, preferably, a world where Germany wasn't kicked in the balls in WW1, thus giving the German people a perfectly legitimate reason to be pissed and conquer the whole of Europe in roughly a year.

[SuperXAsh]

or where Trotsky became head of the Soviet Union instead of Stalin

or a world where some bizarre "third party" comes in and beats both Trotsky AND Stalin. Like... Soda Popinski. :sly:

[Dr. Strangelove]

or a world where some bizarre "third party" comes in and beats both Trotsky AND Stalin. Like... Soda Popinski. :sly:



Fehhh. Even you, of all people, can agree that Trotsky would've done a wonderful job.

;_;..a Soviet Union with free speech, no militarism, better healthcare than Canada and possibly winning the Cold War...(if it ever got to that point...)

[Gorjirus]

Or maybe, preferably, a world where Germany wasn't kicked in the balls in WW1, thus giving the German people a perfectly legitimate reason to be pissed and conquer the whole of Europe in roughly a year.


If Germany wasn't kicked in the balls, why would that give them a reason to be pissed?

They're angry they weren't kicked in the balls?

[Kaiser Kronos]

Fehhh. Even you, of all people, can agree that Trotsky would've done a wonderful job.

;_;..a Soviet Union with free speech, no militarism, better healthcare than Canada and possibly winning the Cold War...(if it ever got to that point...)

And said Soviet Union would collapse like a house of cards once Barbarossa gets moving without the industry and modernization Stalin forced through. Not to mention Trotsky would quite possibly have been so scary that Hitler would have been "Uncle Dolph" in any WWII scenario, and we would have fought a Cold War with Nazi Germany instead of WWII. Stalin kept the USSR's business in the USSR. Trotsky would have been dumb enough to try to stir up rebellion in the Western powers, enabling the Nazi party to be (even more than in reality) seen as a bulwark against the Reds, and so Barbarossa and Hitler triumphant.

Trotsky also, as leader, would have become very potentially a Nazi bugaboo for another reason. He was Jewish. Put a Jew as head of the very nation that helped make the Nazi rise possible.....

No, Stalin was a ******* and evil, but without him, Hitler's Germany would have lasted at least twenty years longer than it did (as the first power vacuum in Nazi Germany results in a full-scale collapse of the empire. How many assassination plots against Hitler again?)

So, to sum up, for USSR: Trotsky=bad, Stalin=better.

[Dr. Strangelove]

If Germany wasn't kicked in the balls, why would that give them a reason to be pissed?

They're angry they weren't kicked in the balls?
You misread. They were pissed because of the overly harsh and unfair limitations of the Treaty of Versailles. Had that not happened, WW2 wouldn't of had happened as it did in our universe. Now, granted, there's the possiblity of the "Red Steamroller", of which the prospects of fighting are even more frightening than a "Super Deutschland".


KK-

No. It might've sparked a Communist Revolution in Germany instead of a Nazi one. The rest of Europe would've fell quickly after that. World-wide Communist revolts and such, possibly with Roosevelt favoring the Soviets over the British(Franklin was harshly anti-imperialist..).

[Kaiser Kronos]

Ha, ha, ha. The Nazis were as freakin' popular as they were because they were anti-Communist. And if you think the Entente was going to allow the Soviet Union to spread Communism by sparking Revolution, you're quite mistaken. No, a Fascist putsch akin to the Beer Hall Putsch would occur, be successful, Germany would re-arm, and it would be a resulting blood-bath to make the Crimean War look decent and pleasant. And, Doc, the USA had had a Red Scare in 1917-1919. We are talking Trotskyite Revolutions in 1924. If you thought Macarthyism was bad, the reactions to such things would be very bloody, with a lot of Russians dead, and the USSR replaced with some convenient puppet Tsar.

[Gorjirus]

You misread. They were pissed because of the overly harsh and unfair limitations of the Treaty of Versailles. Had that not happened, WW2 wouldn't of had happened as it did in our universe. Now, granted, there's the possiblity of the "Red Steamroller", of which the prospects of fighting are even more frightening than a "Super Deutschland".



No, I read it right, your grammer was just bad for what you were trying to say. :p

[Dr. Strangelove]

Ha, ha, ha. The Nazis were as freakin' popular as they were because they were anti-Communist. And if you think the Entente was going to allow the Soviet Union to spread Communism by sparking Revolution, you're quite mistaken. No, a Fascist putsch akin to the Beer Hall Putsch would occur, be successful, Germany would re-arm, and it would be a resulting blood-bath to make the Crimean War look decent and pleasant. And, Doc, the USA had had a Red Scare in 1917-1919. We are talking Trotskyite Revolutions in 1924. If you thought Macarthyism was bad, the reactions to such things would be very bloody, with a lot of Russians dead, and the USSR replaced with some convenient puppet Tsar.

I really doubt that. The Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands(KPD) was second only to the NSDAP, and it didn't gain any more power because of Stalin's refusal to support the Trostkyites in the party. With Trotsky in office, it would've been better ran and funded, with the chances of them winning in office rising greatly.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Hmmm. So, KPD wouldn't have the army to deal with? Even just after World War I, you can bet the German High Command is damn well gonna pump bullets into the Commies. Not to mention that to the average German, Communism was seen as a betrayal of German culture. You have the Soviet Union meddling in German affairs, and Nazi and far-right votes in general skyrocket, and the Western allies support re-armament. No, Germany wouldn't have turned Communist. Not so long as Hitler was around.

[godofPH]

To PH: Impossible. Dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, except for birds.
Cowboys are a recent creation due to Industrial Revolution-era agriculture and the specific environment of the North and South American West.

What if another parallel universe where dinosaurs didn't die out/hadn't died out yet had a big 'splosion and dumped dinosaurs into a universe that was currently at its American Industrial Revolution-era? :p

[Gorjirus]

I'd much rather have a Cadillacs and Dinosaurs universe where the dinosaur just come back.

[SuperXAsh]

I'd much rather have a Cadillacs and Dinosaurs universe where the dinosaur just come back.

And we'd all get *****ing cars to drive. :sly:

[Kaiser Kronos]

What if another parallel universe where dinosaurs didn't die out/hadn't died out yet had a big 'splosion and dumped dinosaurs into a universe that was currently at its American Industrial Revolution-era? :p

Both universes implode per Newton's Third Law. ;)

[godofPH]

Both universes implode per Newton's Third Law. ;)

I REJECT YOUR REALITY AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN!

[Zardac the Great]

Which is actually fairly reasonable when you bring up Paraworlds.

I'm working on a story where people ride dinosaurs into battle. The problem is I can't decide whether I want them to be people or animals.


And you're all forgetting the best possible Paraworld...The one where I RULE THE WORLD! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Which is actually fairly reasonable when you bring up Paraworlds.

I'm working on a story where people ride dinosaurs into battle. The problem is I can't decide whether I want them to be people or animals.


And you're all forgetting the best possible Paraworld...The one where I RULE THE WORLD! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
<_<..am I the only one who's ever really considered how stupid it is to ride an animal the size of bus, with a brain the size of a small walnut, into a battle with lots of yelling?

[godofPH]

<_<..am I the only one who's ever really considered how stupid it is to ride an animal the size of bus, with a brain the size of a small walnut, into a battle with lots of yelling?

It's a scientific fact, riding a dinosaur will increase your badassery sevenfold. Accept it and join us!

[Dr. Strangelove]

It's a scientific fact, riding a dinosaur will increase your badassery sevenfold. Accept it and join us!
And decrease your lifespan by a comparable amount.

[Zardac the Great]

Dr. S. has obviously never played the game Paraworld...

[godofPH]

And decrease your lifespan by a comparable amount.

That post reaks of cowardice. ;)

[Zardac the Great]

"My T.rex is hungry. As long as you stay on his back, he's perfectly safe. So I'm staying up here. Everyone else can just come up here."

[Dr. Strangelove]

"My T.rex is hungry. As long as you stay on his back, he's perfectly safe. So I'm staying up here. Everyone else can just come up here."
<_<.

Yeah..ever occur to you he'd just shake you off, and...you know...swallow you whole?

[SuperXAsh]

or how about riding a Triceratops? :sly:

That be cooler. ADMIT IT!!!

[Zardac the Great]

Naw. Raptor Handler.

"Velociraptor is man's best friend. Even if mine does try to bite my hand off every once in a while..."

[Gorjirus]

<_<.

Yeah..ever occur to you he'd just shake you off, and...you know...swallow you whole?

Not if it is your T-Rex.

Have you never watched a TV show where dinosaurs and humans peacefully coexist? Like Dino Riders?

Or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs (which is sooooo much better and cooler? Jak has his own pet allosaur).

[Burkion]

I just want my god damn Slider Remote.

[Zardac the Great]

Jedi Raptors. That's what I want.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Not if it is your T-Rex.

Have you never watched a TV show where dinosaurs and humans peacefully coexist? Like Dino Riders?

Or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs (which is sooooo much better and cooler? Jak has his own pet allosaur).

Yeah, sure, that Dinosaur that sees you as a small bipedal morsel isn't gonna eat that morsel, no sir! Never mind the fact that a Tyrannosaur is faster than the fastest human alive, no we'll tame that beastie! :sarcasm:

[Gorjirus]

If you raise them, sure.

That's why its a parallel universe. Like ours, but different.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Heh, if we can tame reptiles, why haven't there been tamed snakes and monitor lizards? No, Dinosaurs were an especially successful group of reptiles. Annnndddd.....

assuming no 65 mya asteroid, perhaps there's a dinosaur civilization on that Earth instead of a human one. Imagine, real Valusians....:sly:

[Archaic_Avenger]

Had that not happened, WW2 wouldn't of had happened as it did in our universe.
Political jargon aside, I see you've taken the science guys theory and decided to run with it. Not making fun of you, "as it did in our universe" is just a funny thing to hear someone say.

Archaic Avenger

[Gorjirus]

Or there's a civilization where dinosaurs have made a comeback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9c2K4Jl5LI

[godofPH]

Heh, if we can tame reptiles, why haven't there been tamed snakes and monitor lizards? No, Dinosaurs were an especially successful group of reptiles. Annnndddd.....

assuming no 65 mya asteroid, perhaps there's a dinosaur civilization on that Earth instead of a human one. Imagine, real Valusians....:sly:

Alternate universe where dinosaurs evolved to have bigger brains, but when the asteroid that killed them was a smaller asteroid overall and collided with the Earth on another part, thereby sparing North American dinosaurs and allowing them to survive. In the rest of the world, humans evolve and eventually migrate to North America via the Land Bridge. Several thousand years after that, the white man comes to colonize dinosaur-full North America.

200 years after that, bang, Dinosaur-riding cowboys.

[Kaiser Kronos]

That asteroid hits another part of the Northern Hemisphere, Dinos still dead. Hits another part of the Southern, Dinos still dead. Big Reptiles < Something that makes Cold War-era Nuclear Winter look like Strawberries and Sunshine.

;)

[Gorjirus]

That's why he said the asteroid was smaller.

[SuperXAsh]

or how about the asteroid never hit AT ALL.

Who knows what would've happened if it hadn't hit Earth.

I mean if we're going by what was said in the article, that a world APPARENTLY exsists for each possible outcome. Who knows?

[Zardac the Great]

I still say we need one where I rule all. :darklord:

[Dr. Strangelove]

Alternate universe where dinosaurs evolved to have bigger brains, but when the asteroid that killed them was a smaller asteroid overall and collided with the Earth on another part, thereby sparing North American dinosaurs and allowing them to survive. In the rest of the world, humans evolve and eventually migrate to North America via the Land Bridge. Several thousand years after that, the white man comes to colonize dinosaur-full North America.

200 years after that, bang, Dinosaur-riding cowboys.
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It took them 200+ million years for the smartest of them to be about as intelligent as a severely retarded chicken. What makes you think another 65 would've made them anywhere near our level?

[Zardac the Great]

Remember, every quantum event starts a new Paraworld.

Yes, if this was real, somewhere out there, there would be a dinosaur civ.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Remember, every quantum event starts a new Paraworld.

Yes, if this was real, somewhere out there, there would be a dinosaur civ.
You don't seem to understand. There's no magical planet with super-intelligent dinosaurs, in our universe if this is true. It exists in a totally separate universe. Now, there could be a planet of hyper-intelligent dinosaur/octopus crossbreeds in our universe, but we haven't found it yet.

Best odds for it's existence is..well, another universe.

[godofPH]

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It took them 200+ million years for the smartest of them to be about as intelligent as a severely retarded chicken. What makes you think another 65 would've made them anywhere near our level?

I wasn't, I was saying they'd still be alive on North America for the European settlers to convert into beasts of burden. ;)