Venezuelan poll results are in...

[Cole Deschain]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7124313.stm


AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!

[Zardac the Great]

Well, at least there's SOME good news coming out of that place.

Hrmm. This is interesting. Chaves has the right to rule by fiat. He is essentially a dictator, but now, Venezuela has to elect their dictators...

[Kaiser Kronos]

That evillllll dictator! He rigged the elections so he could lose! A real Stalin, that man is! :rolleyes:

[Gorjirus]

LOL

One less thing to worry about.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well, at least there's SOME good news coming out of that place.

Hrmm. This is interesting. Chaves has the right to rule by fiat. He is essentially a dictator, but now, Venezuela has to elect their dictators...
...

Wait.


WAIT.


He was man enough to have this bloody election to see if the people -wanted- him. He loses, he's a bit upset, but I don't see him revoking the election results...

Unlike another leader in this hemisphere I could mention, he's actually..gasp..doing this fairly!

[Kaiser Kronos]

Who? Felipe Calderon? ;)

[Morgoth]

Riiight Dr S. Lets see if Hugo steps down before you start patting that commie thug on the back.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Riiight Dr S. Lets see if Hugo steps down before you start patting that commie thug on the back.
If he steps down after his term is over, you're going to publicly announce that I was right, and you were wrong.

[Gorjirus]

He was man enough

Wait, man enough?

Being forced to do something is "man enough"?

bloody election to see if the people -wanted- him

You also seem to have skipped the part where he loaded his ticket with other amendments like lowering the overall workweek.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wait, man enough?

Being forced to do something is "man enough"?



You also seem to have skipped the part where he loaded his ticket with other amendments like lowering the overall workweek.
..

"Read my lips: no new taxes!"

[Gorjirus]

..

"Read my lips: no new taxes!"

How is that even a response?

Saying something, and it actually being what they are voting for, are two totally different things.

[Dr. Strangelove]

How is that even a response?

Saying something, and it actually being what they are voting for, are two totally different things.

"I, as your president, promise to end the war in Vietnam..."

[Goji Son]

"I, as your president, promise to end the war in Vietnam..."

"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

Anyone want to take a stab at this one?

[Dr. Strangelove]

"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

Anyone want to take a stab at this one?

It's Hitler.

<_<..when are people gonna figure out that I'm not a nazi? I mean, really, isn't the constant support of socialism, liberalism, and anarchism enough?

[Goji Son]

Never said you were but I figured since you were posting hypocritical political language I'd throw some more on the table.

Relevance to the topic? None. Just like the others.

[SuperXAsh]

Awww.... poor wittle tin god didn't get to pass his wefowms. boo hoo boo hooo hooooo. What would Castro say?!?!?!?


And again, who here is even remotely surprised by whose side Strangelove is on? :sly:

[Gorjirus]

Relevance to the topic? None. Just like the others.


I kind of understand the taxes one, as he misunderstood what I said. After that? No idea what he's getting at.

[Goji Son]

I kind of understand the taxes one, as he misunderstood what I said. After that? No idea what he's getting at.

I can understand why but don't see the point.

[Gorjirus]

I can understand why but don't see the point.

Could you enlighten me as to what the second one meant?

Or was he still not getting it?

[Goji Son]

Could you enlighten me as to what the second one meant?

Or was he still not getting it?

Well, both quotes are taken from Republican presidents who made a promise that didn't really panned out quite so well. I guess he's trying to make the comment that our own leaders don't stick to their word and since they are Capitalist-loving Republican this shows that all conservatives don't keep their promise.

Of course, I could be analyzing this way too much myself, just ask the PhD. to explain.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well, both quotes are taken from Republican presidents who made a promise that didn't really panned out quite so well. I guess he's trying to make the comment that our own leaders don't stick to their word and since they are Capitalist-loving Republican this shows that all conservatives don't keep their promise.

Of course, I could be analyzing this way too much myself, just ask the PhD. to explain.

Basically, that's what it amounts to. They're politicians, they don't keep their word by default. Make lots of promises, keep none of them. At all. Unless of course you say you're gonna go to war. You'll keep that promise(And no, not just Bush either. Johnson, ect).


What I'm trying to say is: Hugo is no different from any other politician. Liberal, Conservative, Republican or Democrat. It all amounts to getting office. What happens after that, well, public opinion doesn't matter much, if at all, anymore.

[Gorjirus]

But what does that have to do with what I said?

That stuff like the work hours, that wasn't stuff he said he was going to do, it was what people were actually voting for.

GAH!

[Goji Son]

GAH!

This part made me laugh.

[Morgoth]

Hugo is different - he's a commie and therefore scum of the earth, fit only for a bullet in the skull and a grave inside the belly of wild pigs. Communism is the most abhorent, abominable and vile concept diseased minds have ever concocted - it has put power in the hands of such well-balanced, wholesome men as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pott. At its very core, communism is the antithesis of human achievement, it represents the worst curse the ancient world had to offer, namely the destruction of human achievement (let your name be forgotten was about the worst thing every society could wish upon a tyrant or criminal). Equality is the farce this scum tries to foist as the legitimacy of their ideas, they don't tell you that equality means a drone-like existence where there is no advancement, no achievement and no individual pride or accomplishment. Dr S is going to trot out a bunch of pap about his socialist views and how everybody would be better, yadda yadda yadda. He'll tell you how the USSR or Cuba or Red China have never evolved into the worker's utopia where everybody was equal, where the 'interm' government was replaced by the socialist utopia. Yeah, well, the Khmer Rouge had a true communist society where everyone lived alike and there was no private industry or ownership. They also created as close to a hell on earth in Cambodia as this planet has ever seen - but I guess that is acceptible so long as nbody has the audacity to work harder than the next guy and expect to profit by the labour.

Chavez and Castro are human maggots and anyone who shares their views is either an idiot, a retard or a zombie.

[PyrasTerran]

Since Venezuela is part of my heritage, this is a very big deal for me and my family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdugY6febA&feature=related

For those who don't speak Spanish, he gives a speech about how this is not a big deal, and only means that he will go on a new offensive with getting his changes passed. He speaks apologetically about how he must deal with the egos of his opponents.

He continues to talk symbolically and cryptically about how we will look back on our history and see a turbulence from this day, a turbulence "composed of blood, and s***. "

"Enjoy your victory for now, because it's starting to fill with s***. It is a s*** victory. Say what you want of our loss and of our cause, but it is one of courage, of valor, of dignity..."

[Zigra]

Communism is the most abhorent, abominable and vile concept diseased minds have ever concocted - it has put power in the hands of such well-balanced, wholesome men as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pott.

The problem right there is that by identifying those men as being in power of their respective goverments, you've essentially proven that what these men created was not Communism at all. It was Facism wearing the very thin disguise of Communism. In the misguided concept of Communism, everybody is equal. Nobody would be different from one another. So, when you put an individual or a group of people "above" other people, it automatically isn't Communism anymore.

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you. A person who actually cares about other people and does their best to help and look out for others is not in the same league as, say, a serial rapist.

[Morgoth]

Well, Zigra, communism is such an unnatural thing that it has to have a powerful, oppressive force to impose it on people. One of the most natural, indeed vital, human traits is the desire to better oneself and one's family. Only the most degenerate and worthless varieties of humanity don't have this impulse to achieve. To impose a form of existence that removes the value of achievement you need thugs and guns. The Pol Pott example is the best, because what that fiend created was certainly a communist government. No cities, no private ownership, not even a real sense of social hierarchy (he purged a hell of alot of the Khmer Rouge when they started acting like the 'old guard' and expecting some benefit from supporting the movement's rise to power). Again, communism in its realisation is such a dehumanizing, abominable affair that you have to have guys with rifles making sure nobody tries to escape.

Pyras, I really sympathize. Venezuela has a long and rich history and is a genuinely beautiful country, much like Cuba actually. Once the people rise up and get rid of this ten-penny gorilla, it'll be a great country again.

[Goji Son]

"Enjoy your victory for now, because it's starting to fill with s***. It is a s*** victory. Say what you want of our loss and of our cause, but it is one of courage, of valor, of dignity..."

What a wonderful, dignified, charismatic piece of prose that is. **** prose always gets attention.

[Goji Son]

The problem right there is that by identifying those men as being in power of their respective goverments, you've essentially proven that what these men created was not Communism at all. It was Facism wearing the very thin disguise of Communism. In the misguided concept of Communism, everybody is equal. Nobody would be different from one another. So, when you put an individual or a group of people "above" other people, it automatically isn't Communism anymore.

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you. A person who actually cares about other people and does their best to help and look out for others is not in the same league as, say, a serial rapist.

It may not be the 'ideal' of communism but history proves repeatedly that it certainly leads to a fascist dictatorship.

[SuperXAsh]

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you.

Oh yeah... specially fun to get them started on about Nixon. MAN is that a funny sigh to see some dried up hippie talk about how "evil" Nixon was, yet will turn right around and speak great things about Ol' Uncle Fidel Castro. :sly:

I also find it fun to talk with Marxists who think that by reading a book by some diseased mind from the Industrial Revolution Age automatically makes them enlightened or something. It's a hoot.