Cooling Trends Spoil the Global Warming Party

[SuperXAsh]

Yeah apparently some new data's emerged, showing that in about the next 10 years or so, there's going to be a distinct, and natural, cooling trend that will occur due to changes in ocean currents or something.

http://www.sundriesshack.com/?p=4442
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5381

Course, while this puts on the big Global Warming Gangbang on hold for a while, it doesn't change their tune one bit.

Apparently there is only one kind of NATURAL environmental trend, and that's a Cooling Trend. Apparentlly there is NO such thing as a NATURAL WARMING TREND, no, certainly not so. No way in hell. :sly:

Course not, then they'd have no way of ****in' us over with their stupid agendas, and profiting from it. :sarcasm:

[Goji Son]

Considering that there used to be an Ice Age that magically disappeared, are people just that oblivious to the fact that the climate is constantly changing?

[Cole Deschain]

That doesn't get votes.

But, on the other side of the coin-

Who wants to bet the some corporate scuzzbag uses this as an excuse to lobby for REDUCED emissions standards?

Climate change be damned, I'm tired of BREATHING some of this crap.

[Raptor]

Dry my yard up so I can mow it (again), keep the week-ends nice and I'll be happy. We have too much outdoorsy stuff scheduled to play politics other than the Primary on May 20th. :p

[Kaiser Kronos]

Eh, I'd never have trusted the Al Gore crowd on that anyway. A guy with a bachelor's degree in government isn't exactly qualified to talk about climatology on a global level. He's not got the training to do much more than read data and come to a possibly erroneous conclusion. A failed presidential candidate does not a scientific expert make.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Ha, you mean you dont trust the guy who blames storms on global warming?

You know, the kind of storms we've always had?

Can't say I blame you.

[Dr. Strangelove]

That doesn't get votes.

But, on the other side of the coin-

Who wants to bet the some corporate scuzzbag uses this as an excuse to lobby for REDUCED emissions standards?

Climate change be damned, I'm tired of BREATHING some of this crap.
Here-here!

I don't care if man-made global warming is real or not, I'm tired of breathing air more toxic than some forms of pesticide.

[Cyndi]

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[EternalMothra]

LOL Cyndi, you make me happy. XD

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Well, it looks like Global Warming and the plot to destroy humanity by ManBearPig are nothing but pure bunk. Apparently thanks to the efforts of an enterprising computer hacker. A whole slew of corespondence between Pro-Global Warming scientists discussing fudging, and destroying data to push their agenda. Efforts to discredit scientists with opposing opinions, or make sure they're cut off from making their views ,or findings known. Even the threat of physical violence against those in opposition to their most ardently held belief that humanity is causing Global warming. Here are two links on the developing scandal entitled CLIMATEGATE.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/

[Orga777]

I all ready knew it was pure bunk based on purposely skewing the actual facts so grubby "scientists" can claim a bigger piece of the Money Pie and also end up with Government taking more money from people by hiding behind the facade of "saving the environment." It is always about the money. (and in the governments case, about the money and expanding their control over everything.)

But yeah, global temperatures have been dropping for years now and man-made CO2 is less than completely worthless in the span of the actual number of greenhouse gasses produced. Thanks for the links though TOAO. Hopefully this will get some media attention... I doubt it though.

[BS Digital Q]

"Global Warming" is such an inacurrate term for whats going on it isn't even funny. Its more like "temperature ranges are shifting to places they've never been before."

[Archaic_Avenger]

I'm not entirely convinced on either side, global warming or the whole natural shift thing, but what I do know is that pollution is making bad things happen outside of the climate change. The fact that the "let's do something about pollution" side is harping on something like the (eventual) destruction of the planet I'm not so sure is such a good idea for their cause, as most people have either not enough scope to quite grasp it or understand its (potential) affect on their lives, or they simply don't care enough about something that moves that slowly or is even as roughly unproven as it really is. A much more attention grabbing argument for better quality in chemical control would be how bad it is for us individually and how intrusive its become in our daily lives. You know, the kind of things like corn being in every single food product made in America (as well as several products not even food related), or the fact that DDT is still being found in dust in homes. But of course the organized political factions are much more into scaremongering on a (theoretical) global scale. The sad part is, if you were to really analyze the facts and figures on the ongoing rampant chemical abuse, it should be a slam dunk case. But they're just incompetent enough to focus on the entirely unproven, which just gives more fuel to the other side. The attempts at vaguely 'big picture' problems are just met with vaguely 'big picture' solutions, ones that are entirely aesthetic and solve nothing in the long run, but they satisfy the public who got worked into a frenzy in the name of the environment.

Ug. I hate politics.

[Morgoth]

I've been calling bullshit on this thing for years. Green - the new Red :cursing:

This Prof and all the *******s who've been jockeying this data need to be dragged out and hung. Fear-mongering commie swine.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Apparently this news hasn't affected the belief systems of the pro-Global Warming advocates. As the following clip with Green Extremist, Ed Baegley Jr. shows. The response to the Climategate e-mail is, "La,la la. Not listening. Not listening.":sleeping:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIl2gdDtbCg

[Orga777]

Apparently this news hasn't affected the belief systems of the pro-Global Warming advocates. As the following clip with Green Extremist, Ed Baegley Jr. shows. The response to the Climategate e-mail is, "La,la la. Not listening. Not listening.":sleeping:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIl2gdDtbCg

Are you really surprised? The Pro-GW cult has been covering their ears and closing their eyes for years. They have ignored and skewed actual scientific facts and uncerimoniously torn down skeptics all to further their own corrupt agendas.

[BS Digital Q]

Its not that clearcut though. "Climate change" is a far more acurrate term, and this climate shift has been happening since before the Industrial Age.

You won't hear that from the extremists though. ;)

[Orga777]

Its not that clearcut though. "Climate change" is a far more acurrate term, and this climate shift has been happening since before the Industrial Age.

You won't hear that from the extremists though. ;)

That is very true. But Climate Shifts happen naturally, as you point out, has been happening since before the Industrial Age.

[Seer235]

While I'm generally skeptical about anything that says really bad stuff is gonna happen to the Earth or humanity any time soon, something I found rather funny was that in the telegraph article the "worst thing" he mentioned actually didn't look bad at all, especially in comparison to the earlier things. We have deleting emails and statements implying hiding evidence, and what's the finisher?

"We've criticized people for not using peer-reviewed journals. In response to this, they've taken over a journal. Maybe we shouldn't consider it an unbiased source anymore."

But yeah, the "hiding the decline" thing didn't look good. Though, like with any accusation like this, I'd like to see a helluva lot more context with these quotes.


It was also rather funny to see Ed Baegley's (why is this guy even on news networks?) arguments decline from legitimate (people who aren't experts on a subject shouldn't be treated as experts) to.....if it came in contact with a real argument, it would explode.

[Morgoth]

Climate change isn't a fallicy. It happens every season to greater and lesser degrees. However, it also isn't man-made. All the havoc pollution causes is reason enough to take rational measures, but pollution isn't changing the global environment. For God's sake, these eco-wackos were talking about the carbon footprint of dogs being larger than an SUV and advocating getting rid of dogs. Oh, and cattle, because everyone should be forced to live like some tree-hugging vegan hippy.

I hope there is a special place in Hell for these *******s. I also hope every one of the *******s ends up getting sued by every government on the globe to such an extent that they'll be begging church mice for handouts.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Funny you mention cattle. I remember watching an old episode of SeaQuest in which the crew of the vessel was talking about how in their more enlightened age that they didn't serve any meat aboard because official government policy was that meat was banned because cows were in turn banned. Due to their methane production was contributing to global warming. I was thinking about how that little tidbit of info was now inserted into the minds of the youth.

Speaking of indoctrinating the next generation of GREEN YOUTH. Like any good movement, to start molding the heads full of malleable mush. To get started, you need a song. Now being peddled in your local institutions of higher learning, the Global Warming Song.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/net_result_sure_beats_nut_revolt_qafIP4m2M9TAty2eL xyz5M

[Scorpion13mk2]

Yeah, they managed to indoctrinate the 3 people who watched the show.

Seaquest was such a Star Trek rip-off piece of crap.....and bland as balls. Its like, how in the hell is Stargate still going? Its a 13 year long exercise in tedium. Even TNG and the early episodes of DS9 were more exciting.

[Orga777]

Climate change isn't a fallicy. It happens every season to greater and lesser degrees. However, it also isn't man-made. All the havoc pollution causes is reason enough to take rational measures, but pollution isn't changing the global environment. For God's sake, these eco-wackos were talking about the carbon footprint of dogs being larger than an SUV and advocating getting rid of dogs. Oh, and cattle, because everyone should be forced to live like some tree-hugging vegan hippy.

Indeed. As is usually the case, I always post this graph to express everything.
http://geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_contrib.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/01/co2_fairytales_in_global_warmi.html
That is the article. Quite a read really.

[Seer235]

In case anyone was wondering, an update to the story:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRa5F7Lv_zO0ZKaHmbQENlyV3KdgD9CHUS980

Delicious delicious context.

[Morgoth]

I don't trust any of the media on this one - they've been hooked on this scam from word one and can't accept that they've been taken. After all, if they got something this big so completely wrong then how can anybody trust their journalism ever again? Just like the political jackals - tow the lie even when you know it's a lie because it's the only way to keep from looking like a total jackass.

I believe my own observations and those are that it's been teh coldest year since I moved out to Arizona. We even had ******* snow one day this year! In Phoenix! Global warming my ****ing ***! Oh, but they'll trot out some model to tell you that black is white and that hell freezing over is just another sign that everything is heating up. Couldn't these guys just sell bridges or Royal Nigerian bank funds like any other con artist?

[Morgoth]

On a related front, somebody explain this '350' crap to me. Apparently a bunch of nutwacks have decided if we hit 350 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere then the polar caps will completely melt and you'll need a scuba tank to visit Malta.

Except we hit 350 parts per million back in 1989 :nonono2:

[Seer235]

Just don't believe anything alarmist. That's generally the way to go.

If someone says that anything from climate change is gonna cause catastrophes any time soon, they're probably full of ****. Because a real scientist would know:

A. We don't know enough about Earth as one complete system or any other factors to make strong predictions
B. You don't make a strong assertion unless you're very absolutely totally sure.

It's really just crazies who say this and the media who picks it up because they love sensationalism.

To be honest, I'd trust most scientists in terms of their findings. I don't trust them--or anyone--going into the political realm and getting the right thing done.

[Morgoth]

I don't even trust alot of these scientists. Too many of them have a dog in the hunt now. For instance, now that satellite photos show MORE ice in the Arctic and Greenland, they immediately say 'no, no, no, there's less ice because it's thinner.' Uh, if it is expanding ice sheets, of course it is going to start out thinner than stuff that has been there for centuries. However, it doesn't change the fact that it is NEW ICE!

The AP is a completely untrustworthy news group. For instance, just have a gander at the way they are trying to spin Al Gore's absurd remarks about 'there's a 75% chance that in 5 years the Arctic ice caps will completely melt away' - stuff that even the crackpot scientist he's supposedly quoting has disavowed and which even the commies at Copenhagen have problems swallowing. These people are vermin who don't give a **** about the planet or pollution, it's all about creating a global government and stripping down developed countries so they have parity with third world hellholes.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

If Al Gore had won the election, this particular Super Bowl ad shows what it would've been like afterward for us.:dontgetithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml54UuAoLSo

[Raptor]

It's snowing here - AGAIN! :angry:

[Orga777]

After getting three feet over the weekend in the Philadelphia area, we are now getting at least ANOTHER foot and a half today. It is getting kinda ridiculous.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Looks like Al Gore has come out of hibernation ,and is telling us why we can't wish away Global Warming and how mistakes were made.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html

[SuperXAsh]

Looks like Al Gore has come out of hibernation ,and is telling us why we can't wish away Global Warming and how mistakes were made.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html

Course he's getting defensive, this is his one and only claim to fame now. :p Oh and it sounds like he's completely missed what the hacked emails showed... :sarcasm:

[Morgoth]

Not to mention the snow that is EVERWHERE right now. New Mexico might as well be Alaska. Or how about that huge iceberg that just broke off in Antarctica, which was helped by NEW snow and ice build-up.

It's called WEATHER, Al. But I guess that doesn't help the commie movement and its fear-mongering power grab.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

You skeptics better be careful about not believing in Mankind Global Warming. Or else...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH71XCmsbCc

[SuperXAsh]

You skeptics better be careful about not believing in Mankind Global Warming. Or else...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH71XCmsbCc

yeah i saw that. pretty stupid

[Egg-Zilla]

Global Warming is real.

So is global cooling.

It's a double threat.

[Morgoth]

Yep, and Man-bear-pig is gonna eat your children.

Honestly - this is shuck and jive power grab by a bunch of communist vermin! And the media is in cahoots with them! Why do you think Climate-gate has been swept under the rug? Or how about the fact that there are observable temperature changes on pretty much every object in the solar system where we can observe water? Kinda spoils the social-reengineering FIVE YEAR PLAN when you can't blame melting icecaps on Mars on man-made CO2 emissions! Guess we just have to find some new bullshit to peddle, eh comrade?

[Mecha74]

Time for a new political campaign!


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"Stop global warming! Start global cooling! Make the world a giant icebox!"

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Sorry, couldn't resist.:laugh:



On a side note, 3,666 post! Fitting, an evil post for evil man....but still not as evil as the global warming party.

[Morgoth]

And remember: if you kill your dog you can reduce your carbon footprint more than if you stop driving an SUV.

[Orga777]

And remember: if you kill your dog you can reduce your carbon footprint more than if you stop driving an SUV.

lol. What is sad, is that this is very true. XD Actually, something like that was int he article I posted much earlier in this topic. :laugh:

[SpaceHunterM]

You skeptics better be careful about not believing in Mankind Global Warming. Or else...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH71XCmsbCc

That just makes me angry

[Hybrid Gojira]

Oh yay, global warming. Aka, new government taxes, rules and regulations, etc. to save the earth...it's about money.

Look, if our weather people can't even predict if it will snow or rain, how can we expect anyone to predict supposed trends in the long run? /sarcasm

[SpaceHunterM]

I'm not so opposed to the existence of global warming as much as that commercial saying "If you don't cut back on your CO2 we will kill you in a horrible way."

[Morgoth]

I've said it before: Green is the new Red.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Am I the only one here who sometimes think that environmentalists are either rooting for the downfall, or at least the trimming down of the human population ? Because look at the latest, greatest menace (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-administration-ban-asthma-inhalers-over-environmental-concerns_594113.html) since "farm dust.":radioacti

[Zardac the Great]

Turns out that the sun has the largest impact on Earth's weather. Imagine that!

It's a cycle, just like everything else in the entire freaking universe. You have a time of warmer weather, then a time of cooler weather. And what do humans contribute to either? Jack Squat Diddly.