Official Godzilla 2000 thread

[Kaiju Nexus]

Godzilla 2000 is really a better film than most give it credit for.  It features some really good special effects, brought back alien monsters, has a whole new Godzilla suit, and had a pretty awesome enemy, Orga.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I really enjoyed this film. Even with all the cuts Sony made. And the dubbing wasn't that bad, after all. I thought the film was great when I first saw it (and still do).

[Jet Jaguar]

It gets a lotta flack,but I like it too

[monsterslayers]

GOJIRA 2000 MILLENNIUM (the Japanese version) was entertaining for a while, but then gradually got quite boring. I understand explinations had to be given, and the subplots had to be freshed up, but I just didn't like it. Even the finale wasn't entertaining!

GODZILLA 2000 (U.S. Version) Now this was a present surprise! The U.S. version superior then the Japanese version! The fights were entertaining, the dubbing pretty well constructed, and actually having the middle of the film entertaining. However, I would wish TriStar kept the small part when Godzilla was about to blow his atom ray but then was hit by four planes. Hope you know the scene of which I talk about.

[SpaceGamera]

The film is not as bad as people say it is. The effects are quite good IMO, an improvement over the Heisei series. Godzilla's portrayal is solid, and the plot is kind of original. Also, the fight scenes are done well, and Orga was a pretty cool opponent (it was also nice to see a new kaiju for once! ).

[Grand Godzilla]

One of my favorites. The effects were great and it was the first Godzilla movie I saw in theaters except the Amercian Godzilla movie of course.

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[Saruman]

The SPFX were ok, but not nearly as good as they should have been, and this film had some of the worst matte work going.

[Paulzilla]

I love this movie. Also the speical effects. And also the enemy. He's awesome. Wish we could see him in another Godzilla movie. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[Gothmog]

<font color='#FF0000'>Personally, I hate it.
I didn`t like Godzillas new look and the fact that the movie was pretty much in B&amp;W until the last fight which was both boring and predictable.
Also, Orga was an extremely boring foe. He got slapped around and seemed to have a problem with reacting when he had to react, not three seconds later.
Overall, an attempt at a good movie, but failing miserably IMO.
I`m still deciding if this movie or GxM is the worst of the Shinsei. G2000 is also the most boring G movie after Return of Godzilla IMO.


I hath returned......

[baragon2005]

Quote[/b] (Godzilla Legend @ Dec. 03 2003,21:00)]I enjoyed it too. Tho' I felt in the dark when I discovered this version of Godzilla had shown up previously...And at a fairly recent time, too. Everyone was acting like Godzilla has appeared at least more that once(I refer to 1954). Strangely enuf' we don't see Godzilla's history until the AWESOME *'GvsMegaGuirius'. And, with slight changes, G does appear in 1954...but then he apears in 1966. No other monster's are featured in the '66 flasback(I heard about Toho starting over a 3rd time[WHY???] and somehow I got the impression that 'GvsThe Thing' was being included in the Mellenium continuity. Very confusing.
* And what is up with Toho anyway...? They blow a great opertunity to take Godzilla in a new direction by continuing the 'Hesie Era' series with tales of his Son's exploits. They Start over with a slightly confusing movie. A good, action packed, movie with fun dialogue and a decent plot...but still a confounding history.
* Say WHAT!? After 'GvsMega' ', Toho start over AGAIN!...after 2 movieS! And You KNOW they were hinting that Godzilla was only transported no killed by the Dimension-tide. But then to add insult to injury...Toho starts over...a forth time!!! Give us a brake!
Godzilla 2000, Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, and GMK are all stand alone films. The two newest (Godzilla X Mechagodzilla and Godzilla X Mothra X Mechagodzilla) are connected to each other, though.

Thought I'd clear that up.




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ah, I really love this one, when I saw in theaters it was great! I love Orga and his powers...good movie with a great battle

[Giganzilla]

I feel so disappointed in missing out on the chance to see this movie in theatres, even if it's not the best of the Millenium series.

That doesn't mean this movie is excellent, however.

As with moth Godzilla movies, I haven't seen the Japanese versions, so I can't provide any thoughts there. &nbsp;At least in this movie, beyond that jarring &quot;crap through a goose&quot; line and some alterations, the dialogue wasn't terrible. &nbsp;It seemed a bit slow getting to the point where more was happening than a hovering rock, but the final scenes weren't all that bad. &nbsp;I liked the Godzilla design, but Orga seemed a bit.. bland. &nbsp;I like him, regardless, and such a monster seemed to fit well as Godzilla's first true opponent - but then they restart the series. &nbsp;Overall, I'd give it something like a B-, as it's a bit easier forgiving the first ever Godzilla movie in theatres for a long time (GINO notwithstanding).

[C-R-V]

<font color='#000F22'>So yeah I know G2000 is a Stand alone fim, but really what is its timeline?

GxM gives a timline, GMK gives a timline, GxMG even gives some what of a time line. So where does g2000 fit in??? Is this movie just ment to be a plug in to what ever timline we please? Or does it have an actual history of films??? And also, I heard once that Godzilla KOTM and Godzilla 1985 were the two films in this timline, is this true? Am I the only one thats heard this??

If ANYONE has heard this theory, or has an explanation as to the history of G2000 than PLEASE reply!!!

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[Gorgozilla]

Quote[/b] (C-R-V @ Dec. 08 2003,01:10)]I heard once that Godzilla KOTM and Godzilla 1985 were the two films in this timline, is this true? Am I the only one thats heard this??
I heard the same thing before G2K was released in the states, on Barry's Temple I believe. Of course, if &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kinggojismilie.gif vs http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biollantesmilie.gif didn't happen, they didn't explain his return from the volcano.

I sometimes like to speculate that this movie is a follow-up to &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kinggojismilie.gif vs &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/destroyahsmilie.gif with this being Junior. Of course he's not as gentle as you'd expect Jr. to be. But maybe when he absorbed his dad's radiation and power he also got some of the savage personality. Maybe (here's some dark speculation) Miki and the other girl who was close to baby G (in &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kinggojismilie.gif vs &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mechagodzilla2smilie.gif ) both got killed somehow. His only real link with humanity gone, Jr's anger took over, making him a marauder just like his parent. (I realize that's not Toho's official position, just a fun &quot;what if&quot; scenario.) &nbsp;

Anyway, I really enjoy G2K. It was great to see in the theater after the disappointment that we came to know as GINO. I've only seen the dubbed version so I can't compare to the original Japanese one. The only thing I didn't like about it was some of the dialogue, e.g. &quot;crap through a goose&quot; or the woman's voice-over saying &quot;Why does Godzilla protect us?&quot; as we see him blasting a city with his nuclear breath. Yeah, with protection like that, who needs danger? &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

[baragon2005]

Quote[/b] (C-R-V @ Dec. 08 2003,00:10)]And also, I heard once that Godzilla KOTM and Godzilla 1985 were the two films in this timline, is this true?
Yeah. I suppose it was a popular rumor, cause I've heard of it too.








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[Cosmos]

G2000 was the only godzilla flick I've ever seen in the theatre I think it totally changes the experience, Godzilla feels so much more massive on the bigscreen....
I thought this movie was excellent absolutley excelent. Although I thought the dubbing was terrible...but I'm biased I think all dubbing is terrible, because it's a tacky condecending, and disrespectful way to make a movie more marketable to ..... &nbsp;wait...Ill stop there before I get all huffy puffy.

Any how I saw G2000 as a new begining independant of the previous timelines... but just jumped right in with Godzilla as an established character, because he is... we don't need a rehash of the origin story, and this way they can experiment with new concepts and new designs without the baggage of the showa/hesei series...

[Cosmos]

Some of you guys may have seen this already but I thought this was a funny cartoon, although it isn't the most positive spin.

Reminds me of Matt Groenings Life in Hell cartoon summurizing the plot to Godzilla vs. the Thing.

G2000, summary. (http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2000/082400/mpp_godzilla.gif)

[James_D]

Heck that cartoon had better effects than the film!

[GMAN2887]

&quot;Godzilla 2000&quot; was great at first, and it was especially a fun treat to have come to theaters, but aside of that it got old real fast. Had I not seen it in theaters it would have left me with a bad impression. Okawara really didn't offer anything new from his experience in directing the Heisei series. He gives us the same exact anti-hero Godzilla character, same exact stiff, too-quick-of-development characters that end up just watching Godzilla fight the other monster from afar and does very little as far as the story goes. I admit his interpurrtation of the infamous 'aliens-takes-over-earth' plot was a fresh feel, giving us a more errie alien presense and executing it differently. However the rest of it feels like a washed up Heisei Godzilla movie with a Godzilla that's ripped off of Gamera's attacks and slightly better special effects. With such poor execution, &quot;Godzilla 2000&quot;, IMO, is one of the worst Godzilla movies out there. but with that said, I can still enjoy it from time to time.

The movie is one of the best godzilla movies ever.

[GMAN2887]

I'm still confused as to how anyone could say that about such a poor film...but, to each his own. I can see why some people enjoy it at times though.

[Godzilla54]

i really enjoyed this film and also really liked the new look of Godzilla (though I prefere Heisei). &nbsp;In my little mind I see Godzilla 2000 as Junior from G vs. Destroyah even though he isn't but I like to think so.

[The Reverend Tegoth]

I'm lukewarm about the film as a whole, but seeing it in the theatre was great (and the first time I've been able to see a Godzilla film theatrically since I was seven and Godzilla 1985 came out).

But the main reason I love this film is for the introduction of the millenium suit, easily the coolest looking best moving Godzilla suit ever. The face, those awesome crystalline spines, the cool fangs... I love the post-Godzilla 1985 Heisei suits (YAY, Kitty Godzilla), but they still don't come close to impressing me the way the millenium suit does. I completely and totally adore it.

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[Hybrid Gojira]

This movie was lackluster. Poor SPFX, some worse than the Heisei series, adorned this film. Godzilla took a pounding at the hands of the military at waited to retaliate. Orga was interesting, but nothing more. The final moments of the film were outstanding, but not enough to save a mediocre effort.

[Daikaijuking]

Thought it was a pretty good Godzilla movie. I liked it a lot more then Godzilla X MEgaguirus, wh

<font color='#FF0000'>I hate G2000 I thought it was rubbish.The films slow and boring. Orgah is original, and Godzilla looks cool, i did'nt like it.

[SuperXAsh]

Well it's been said and it's painfully obvious that G2k was Toho's chance to ridicule Tristar and many of it's movies.

I mean it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out. So you wonder why it was pretty much given a crappy dubbing job by that very same company?

I mean c'mon... people're complaining about the ####ty job Tristar did on G2k, and then when you give the rest of us a decent list about what Toho mocked, parodied and ridiculed in G2k, which were 95.5% all Tristar movies. You basically gave yourself the answer right there.

Hell I'm just surprised Tristar didn't send back G2k, but they were probably also trying to get back on the Kaiju Community's goodside... or hoping to dupe them into going into Theaters to see it in all of it's goofily-dubbed (but still kickass in fx and suit wise) glory.

Eh oh well... no use crying over dried up milk (long time since it's been spilt) now...

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[kpa]

Quote[/b] (SuperXAsh @ Jan. 15 2004,23:10)]Well it's been said and it's painfully obvious that G2k was Toho's chance to ridicule Tristar and many of it's movies.
It was? I remember some conjecture that Orga was transforming into a GINO-like creature, but have never seen anything about Toho ridiculing several Sony movies.

Quote[/b] ]I mean it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out.

How about someone who reads too much into things?

Quote[/b] ] So you wonder why it was pretty much given a crappy dubbing job by that very same company?

Oh please. Michael Schlesinger, the main who handled the Americanization of G2000, is a personal friend of mine and any suggestion that he intentionally messed with the movie to get payback for some imagined digs at TriStar is insulting and ludicrous. Just because you don't like the dubbing doesn't mean there was some sinister agenda. If he wanted to release the movie with a crappy dub he would have just used Toho's international version. Every single change made to G2000 was approved by Toho.

Since then Mike has pushed Sony to continue picking up Toho's movies and release them on DVD in both English and Japanese. The new GxM, GMK, and GxMG DVDs are because of Mike's efforts. And if anyone here saw a post-1991 Godzilla film at a movie theater as part of G-Fest, AFFE, FanTasia, or at art-house theaters, those also came from Mike. Give the guy some credit.

One other thing, I attended a screening of GMK where several Sony execs saw the movie for the first time. They laughed the butts off at Kaneko's joke about the American Godzilla. That was an obvious dig at GINO, and none of the Sony people were the least bit bothered by it.

Quote[/b] ]I mean c'mon... people're complaining about the ####ty job Tristar did on G2k,

People will always find something to complain about. The funny thing is that Toho prefers the TriStar version to the original. They liked the US cut so much they even released it theatrically in Japan.

Quote[/b] ]and then when you give the rest of us a decent list about what Toho mocked, parodied and ridiculed in G2k, which were 95.5% all Tristar movies. You basically gave yourself the answer right there.

Where is this list? I'd love to see it.

You post is full of responses to things other people have written, but since this is a new thread I have no idea who or what you're talking about.

Quote[/b] ]Hell I'm just surprised Tristar didn't send back G2k, but they were probably also trying to get back on the Kaiju Community's goodside...

Sony makes movies like MEN IN BLACK and SPIDER-MAN that gross hundreds of millions of dollars. The &quot;kaiju community&quot; in the US is nothing compared to that. The fan following for Godzilla here is a drop in the bucket compared to those for &nbsp;STAR TREK, STAR WARS, James Bond etc. There have only been two Toho Godzilla films that were released wide in US theaters in past twenty years. If US studios were so desperate to win over kaiju fans do you really think this would be the case?

Quote[/b] ] or hoping to dupe them into going into Theaters to see it in all of it's goofily-dubbed (but still kickass in fx and suit wise) glory.

They weren't trying to dupe anyone. Sony has a good relationship with Toho and looks at each film that Toho brings their way. They looked at G2000, saw something they thought they could market and make some money on, and picked it up. End of story.

Quote[/b] ]Eh oh well... no use crying over dried up milk (long time since it's been spilt) now...

... or crying over imagined slights either, I would hope.

[Alien-G]

I think that they probably made it since Gamera had become so popular

[Godzilla guy]

I received this DVD recently and I lan to watch it very very soon. It will be the first one I have seen from the milenium series and I hope I will enjoy it.

[kent]

I think it is the best so far out of the entire Millennium series in my opinion. I just loved the movie!

[Godzilla guy]

I have just seen Godzilla 2000. I think the best point of it was Godzilla. The new design looked brilliant. I liked this movie. My faviorute bit was definetly when Godzilla was destroying the city. It ws so brilliant! Orga was OK but I didn't like the idea of him trying to be Godzilla. But apart from that I enjoyed this movie. I'll decide if it's 'the best of the millenium series' when I watch the rest!

[Mothraleo]

<font color='#0000FF'>This is kinda about g2000 and changes, so did tristar add music to g2000? From annaconda. If so where? And on topic, I really liked the dub job. The comedy kinda helped keep my attention.

[Mothraleo]

<font color='#0000FF'>Leo kicks himself* I need to stop judging things before I really see all of it. Godzilla 2000 is far superior than most of the Heisei movies. The Godzilla suit is great, and Orga.. well is intresting to say the least. I'm not sure about those bad shots. The only bad one I saw was the one where he is on the beach coming from the water. I found the shot where he is dragging his tail on the ground and you see that it is leaving a path. The first time that has been done.

[china]

<font color='#F52887'>Cool looking Godzilla, but the movie made me fall asleep in the middle......

[Godzilla Forever]

Yes,the movie was quite underrated.
I really enjoyed it though, the fight scenes and SFX were very good.
The G2k suit design was excellent, it gave an animalistic, feral and more reptilian look to the G-man which I thought was really, really cool. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Rodan, Messenger of the Skies]

I liked it. It was certainly better than a lot of Godzilla films. The new suit was really cool, Orga was interesting, and the destruction scenes and music were great. Only problem I had was the middle. Bo-ring.

[Gojira2000]

<font color='#0000FF'>I don't have time to read all the posts here, therefore I may end up thoching on some things that has already been covered, but here it is.

I love G2000 (that not why I made my user name Gojira2000 by the way), it's on my top ten...and top five. Although it has some not-so-great SFX, there are some very nicely done shots in the film. The G-suit is really cool and just seems like 'the' Shinsei (Millennium) G-suit, as the one from GvsB to GvsSG was for the Heisei, and the G54&amp;DAM&amp;GvsMG(74) were for the Showa. Why did I even think of that? Anyway, Hattori's music is great and beautiful, perhaps better then the score from GvsSG, although I really liked the US score that was added. And Orga is an awesome kaiju and one of my faverites &nbsp;

As a reply to C-R-V

Yes, G2000 is a stand alone film and says nothing of Godzilla's past. Some like to think, however, that the G2000 Goji is in fact Godzilla Jr.! Did they not say in GvsSG that another space monster would come perty soon? But, in real, G2000 and the Heisei films are not conected.

[kent]

The theater experience of the film was outstanding!! Words can't describe it! I had high hopes about the film prior to seeing it, and when I saw it, man, it blew me away! It even exceeded my expectations! I absolutely LOVE this Godzilla movie! The SPFX were great, Godzilla's suit was awesome, and Orga was a great new foe! Bout time they started introducing some newer kaiju to the series! I love this film in every way! I loved the part about the discovery of Regenerator: G-1! We finally get an explanation on his healing abilities!
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[PyrasTerran]

I prefer the Tristar cut as well. It's more fast-paced, and has some nice music added to it. I've been listening to bad dubbed movies all my life, so it's no biggie for me. I have no qualms with it, except that they should have had Japanese track in the DVD.

[Raptor]

The same thing happened with Ultraman Tiga and 4Kids. IMO, it's &quot;dumbing down&quot;. And as was mentioned, it's the source material that pays the price.

[kent]

I thought G2K did fairly well in Japan? It would almost have to in order for the other G movies to have been made. I personally think G2K is the best out of the Millennium series by far!! I see where people like GMK and all, but I didn't think it was all that good.

[rodan70]

<font color='#810541'>I liked the dubbing in G2000. And I loved the Music that they added in, especially at the end where they add in the G:TTHM theme. That almost brought tears to my eyes.

[rodan70]

<font color='#810541'>There's nothing in the movie theater greater than The moment Godzilla comes out of the water and they start playing his theme. And when they played the G:TTHM theme at the end, I almost cried. It was awsome. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

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[BS Digital Q]

<font color='#810541'>I noticed that some of the music from films like Anaconda and Gargantua made its way into this film (in particular the battle scene between Orga and Goji). I liked the movie, but it didn't have the power of mood and the AWESOME soundtrack that GMK boasts. It had some SPFX that were superior to GMK, but the CGI scenes (particularly Mothra's birth, the emergence of Godzilla, and the first rebirth of KG) in GMK were VASTLY superior to the underwater CGI sequence in G2K.

[kaijufan1000]

Quote[/b] (WitchKing667 @ Mar. 24 2004,20:36)]I just hope they don't give Final Wars the same kind of dubbing if they decide to theatrically release it (which I'm about 99% sure they will).
The quality of the dubbing in G2K wasn't bad at all, it's the ridiculous dialogue I didn't like (which mostly occurs in the second half of the film) because it made audiences laugh at the movie and tarnished Godzilla's reputation (my aunt walked out of the film saying it was the most hokey thing she's ever seen). Thankfully a lot of the film's poor critical reception and lackluster box officer performance was simply because it was an awful Godzilla movie (the film flopped in Japan too), but the dubbing really didn't help and nobody took the film seriously at all. I will personally walk over to Sony's offices and blow everyone away like Neo in the Matrix if they write crappy dialogue for Final Wars, which might even be better than GMK, that makes audiences laugh at the film and not take it seriously.
<font color='#0000FF'>Godzilla 2000 was the first godzilla movie i saw in theaters:) yes that means i am a young fan[13] what an experiance. one of the reasons why i like it is because it was the first godzilla movie i saw in theaters and that is something special. plus i can never really not like a godzilla movie. as for the dubbing. i didn't care. but if godzilla final wars does as bad in theaters as g2k than....well let's just hope it doesn't happen. as for what the crod was like when i saw g2k. i can't remember but quite few people were ther eand i didn't here any of them laughing when we were leaving.

off topic but was orga a rancor ripoff because i've heard jokes about that.

[BS Digital Q]

Quote[/b] (kaijufan1000 @ April 14 2004,21:37)]off topic but was orga a rancor ripoff because i've heard jokes about that.
<font color='#810541'>Hmmmmm................ &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif &nbsp;You do have a point there.

However, I did hear a whole bunch about Orga looking like Predator. I haven't seen that particular movie, so I can't really say much.

[Mothraleo]

<font color='#0000FF'>Well, I'm in the middle of watching the US version again. And just like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, I am learning to like it more. I had tried to watch Godzilla and Mothra BFE earlier this evning, but was driven away from the bad Matting. Even though G2K isn't that good with Matte, it looks a little better.

[Gojira2000]

<font color='#0000FF'>Quote[/b] ]There's nothing in the movie theater greater than The moment Godzilla comes out of the water and they start playing his theme. And when they played the G:TTHM theme at the end, I almost cried. It was awsome. &nbsp;


Same here.

Quote[/b] ]However, I did hear a whole bunch about Orga looking like Predator. I haven't seen that particular movie, so I can't really say much.

I saw parts of that movie on TV, and let me put your mind to rest by saying Orga and Predator look nothing a like. Orga is an original design.

Quote[/b] ]I had tried to watch Godzilla and Mothra BFE earlier this evning, but was driven away from the bad Matting.

This may make me sound stupid in asking (but how else does one learn?), but what is Matting? I've heard it used before but never really understoad. Does it refear to the music or dubbing or something?

[Roehm]

I thought it wasn't the best executed film that I seen. Yes, it was kinda boring and slow. If you seen the American version the dub didn't really help. Orga was a pretty cool Kaiju, and the fight scenes where cool. But the best part would have to be the fact that I gotta see it in theatres.

[baragon2005]

Quote[/b] (Gojira2000 @ May 11 2004,22:13)]This may make me sound stupid in asking (but how else does one learn?), but what is Matting? I've heard it used before but never really understoad. Does it refear to the music or dubbing or something?
O/T Film compositing, mostly.









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[ngulam]

This was an ok film. What I liked was the improved SPX over the Hesei series and the dubbing as well. What I did not like was the fact that they didn't tell us the history of why the film was made.... or some sequel. It confused the heck out of me.

[kent]

^ Well, by the sounds of the characters in the film, Godzilla has been around for quite some time. How long, though, is not certain. He's obviously been around long enough for the main characters to gain quite the amount of information about him and also long enough to where the Japanese govt. knows he's a big threat and will take any measure to try and stop him. I just enjoy the film for what it is. The film is an awful lot like the latter Showa Godzilla movies where there is no mention as to if it's a sequel of a certain film or whathaveya.

[Kappa the water imp]

Bull s*** I hate this movie it's long and pointless.Godzilla is good, Orgha is'nt in it enough. The spfx were very good but I just did'nt enjoy it.

[MouthForWar]

I think this is the worse Godzilla movie ever made after only Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge. It just seems so rushed and slapped together and the script is a mess. This film makes no sense what so ever and the CGI is the worse in any Toho film. And Orga is one of the most unoriginal kaiju designs ever. While he did have potential, it was never fully used. I just have a lot of problems with this movie, and this is coming from someone who LOVES Godzilla vs. Gigan.

The rest of the Millenium movies have been excellent though.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

<font color='#728FCE'>You're not alone I agree about the lack of story depth and it not going up to it's potential this is the only Millenium movie I don't like.

[MouthForWar]

Yeah, I agree. There aren't many kaiju movies I don't like. I even like (some of) the Showa Gamera films and Godzilla's Revenge. The only Godzilla movies I can honestly say I don't like are Godzilla vs. Megalon, GINO, and Godzilla 2000. You'd think G2K would be great considering it was supposed to be a comeback movie and its one of the more recent films, but it was just.... a mess to me.

[kent]

It goes by personal taste. I absolutely love this movie! I think it's one of the best Godzilla films ever made.

[rodan70]

<font color='#810541'>I love this movie! I loved seeing it in the theater.

[mechagodzilla3]

<font color='#0000FF'>This movie is awesome!

[Gojira2000]

<font color='#0000FF'>Quote[/b] ]It goes by personal taste. I absolutely love this movie! I think it's one of the best Godzilla films ever made.

Same here. It's one of the greatest G-films ever! It's on my top-five list! I love this film!http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Jet Jaguar]

It's a good movie

You're not alone in your hatred
but ya can't include ME

[bmts919]

It's a pretty good movie.Not one of the worst but not really one of the best.An average film.

[King Ghidorah]

Yeah, I'm not too big of a fan myself. Every other Millenium flick is fantastic ... but this one is just the oddball. I don't know if it's because I have the American version with the crappy dubbing or what, but some parts are unwatchable.

To all you guys who love this movie: What about it do you like so much? I'm interested in hearing it because maybe y'all have noticed something I havent' before and I can get a greater appreciation for the film if I see why y'all like it.

Thanks.
- KG

[MouthForWar]

Quote[/b] (King Ghidorah @ June 03 2004,12:01)]To all you guys who love this movie: What about it do you like so much? I'm interested in hearing it because maybe y'all have noticed something I havent' before and I can get a greater appreciation for the film if I see why y'all like it.

Thanks.
- KG
yeah,

[godzilla30000]

I dont hate it, but I dont think it is the best godzilla movie. I have g2k and I like it but i dont wach it offten.

[Solar_Behemoth]

This film ain't on the top of my list or the bottom of it... the film... is just &quot;Meh.&quot;

[MouthForWar]

Personally I don't understand how ANYONE can really like this movie. its just... blech.

[Grand Godzilla]

I liked this movie. It holds a special place in my heart since it was the first Godzilla movie I saw in theathers.

[Mothraleo]

It is not very good, but I seem to enjoy watching it once and a while. Mabey the fact there wasn't as much beam wars? The American version is enjoyalbe, and I will soon see the Japanses version.

[kent]

Personally I don't understand how ANYONE can really like this movie. its just... blech.


We get your point dude. You hate this movie. Some like it and some, like you, hate it. As I said it all goes by personal taste and how you look at the film.
You don't need to keep posting saying how anyone can really like this film.
We don't see through your eyes. We see through our own. In my eyes, as I said, I think it's one of the better Godzilla films in the series. Let alone the best of the Millennium series. And that's my personal opinion. You don't have to agree with it. But with you making such statements as the one I quoted from you above, attack those, like myself, who like the film.
If you don't like the film, that's fine. But constantly stating how you hate it is annoying. And attacking the people's opinions who like the film is as low as anyone can get. If you have nothing nice to say to other people, don't say anything at all.

[Michiru]

Well, I like it, mainly because this was the first Godzilla move I ever saw in theaters. Plus, it is quite original a bit, and it does have some unquie features, like the characters and story, aleast that's what I believe.

[MouthForWar]

We get your point dude. You hate this movie. Some like it and some, like you, hate it. As I said it all goes by personal taste and how you look at the film.
You don't need to keep posting saying how anyone can really like this film.
We don't see through your eyes. We see through our own. In my eyes, as I said, I think it's one of the better Godzilla films in the series. Let alone the best of the Millennium series. And that's my personal opinion. You don't have to agree with it. But with you making such statements as the one I quoted from you above, attack those, like myself, who like the film.
If you don't like the film, that's fine. But constantly stating how you hate it is annoying. And attacking the people's opinions who like the film is as low as anyone can get. If you have nothing nice to say to other people, don't say anything at all.

Well I'm interested in hearing what people think other than just "yes" or "no" that's why I posted this thread. I wanna see why the people that like it like it, and why the people that don't don't. If I wanted something simpler I would have made a poll.

[HolyGoji777]

i dont think it was horrible but definetly wasnt up for any awards.

[Mothraleo]

I just rewatched G2000 today, I ands kinda weird, at first I hated it, then I slowly enjoyed it, then I really liked it, and now I almost like it more than GMK.

[Showa Godzilla]

I think this film is okay.It's not one of my favorites but not one of my least favorites.It was the only Godzilla film I ever saw in theaters and it was fun to watch on the big screen.I didn't care for Orga but I loved the G suit.It reminds me of the King Goji suit(one of my favorites).

[HolyGoji777]

it was definetly kool seeing it in theatres!

[KaijuDave]

I think this is the worse Godzilla movie ever made after only Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge. It just seems so rushed and slapped together and the script is a mess. This film makes no sense what so ever and the CGI is the worse in any Toho film. And Orga is one of the most unoriginal kaiju designs ever. While he did have potential, it was never fully used. I just have a lot of problems with this movie, and this is coming from someone who LOVES Godzilla vs. Gigan.
Well, personally, I LIKE GvsMegalon a whole lot so saying G2K is as bad as it isn't an insult in my book! G's Revenge was terrible though (as was GvsHedorah). I do agree that G2000 was hard to follow, but no more than other G movies. Orgah did resemble a cross between GINO & Gamera, but I still think he was a neat Kaiju...I just hate that it took 3/4 of the movie for them to get to a freakin Monster Battle! I've always found it weird that the only movies we've seen in Theaters here in America have basically all been solo-Godzilla films! Why not more "Godzilla vs." movies in the U.S.? By the time Orgah finally showed up it was a let down. I loved the new G suit, but I'd have rather waited and seen a movie like GvMegaguirus or GMK on the big screen instead of G2K. It redeemed us from the GINO travesty though so it wasn't all that bad. I liked it about as much as G1985 (which I *did* see in the theater, but never impressed me much) but I prefer G movies with better Monster Battles (even campy ones like Megalon).

[Xenomorph]

Ok you don't like Godzilla 2000 then stop buying region 1 dvd or videos. I had Godzilla 2000 on vhs(tri star) and region 3 (unedited version) and the region 3 version explain everything clearly which region 1 don't, the dubbing is awful, the plot is hard to get my head around, quality was very poor and most important it doesn't explain the story and what orga is.

And by the way the worst godzilla films are

The film which had minzilla making friends with a boy.
Godzilla vs Hidorah
Godzilla vs Megalon
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
Godzilla vs Space godzilla

And godzilla x magurius nearly fell in the same drop.

[Alien-G]

I just saw this movie today, it's great, IMO

[Alien-G]

I hate no Godzilla movie, some are not as good as others, but I hate or dislike none of them, same goes for almost every kaiju movie, except Kraa. It's not very good at all, but it's a kaiju movie, so it doesn't bother me.

[The Reverend Tegoth]

I've only seen the American version of this flick thus far, and while I wouldn't necessarily call it a "good" film, I would call it a "fun" film. The characters are likable and interesting, Katagiri is the Bruce Campbell of Japan, and some of the dubbing is laugh out loud funny ("Those missles will go through Godzilla like CRAP through a goose!" and "Gott in Himmel!" being my personal faves).

The American DVD also has a wonderful commentary that is both entertaining and incredibly insightful as to the process that this film went through to make it into theaters.

So yeah, overall I really rather enjoy Godzilla 2000.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

I caught some of this movie last night at 3 am on TNT (from when Godzilla comes into Tokyo Bay until the end), and surprisingly I liked it a lot more than usual. The fights were better than I remembered and this version of Godzilla was a better fighter than I remember seeing. He went hand to hand a few times with claw swipes, bites, and tail sweeps.

I still feel on the rocks about this movie, but maybe after a full viewing, I might like it more.

[Zardac the Great]

I like this movie. I love how Godzilla charges up his breath, and some escapes while he's charging. I love Godzilla's new design too.

And I love the Evil Godzilla :darklord:

[Jet Jaguar]

This film has a special place for me
I took my wife & neice to see it IN A THEATER, and I had't seen a G film in a theater (not counting GINO) since the70's
Was it the best one ever made?
Nope.
Is it fun?
Hell, yeah...


Oh, and don't knock G vs. Megalon in my presence....I'm kinda particular

[ALLOSAURZ]

This film is awesome. AS far as I am concerned this and GFW are the only two watchable films in the millenium era. The characters were great with Shinoda and katagiri contrasting well.All the actors had great chemisty and the actor who played Katagiri also had great screen presence. Also the little girl and the reporter weren't annoying or overbearing. The film was also serious during times when it needed to be and comedic during other times. Also despite the lack of monster action the pacing of this film was quite excellent. Also the spfx were fantastic. Sure the CGI sucked but the actual physical spfx were some of the best in the series. I also loved the lighting and how the sky and everything had a red tint during the night time action scenes. I also loved the suits. Godzilla's suit just looked badass and angry and I don't care what everyone else says Orga was sweet and he looked awesome. His character was tragic. I'd have to say this is easily one of the best kaiju films in the past 30 years. I even hold it in higher regard than the Gamera trilogy.

[Steve]

Godzilla 2000 is my #1 favourite Godzilla movie, period. Coolest looking Godzilla suit, interesting characters, a good story, a thrilling final battle... I could exceed the character limit showering praise all over this film, but I should probably save it for my G2K review when I get around to writing it.

[Orga777]

One of my personal favorites. Better than GMMG, Megaguirus, and GFW that is for sure. G2K is my absolute favorite Godzilla, while Orga is my fourth favorite kaiju. The story is also one of the best from the Millenium series. Only GMK and GodzillaXMecha-Godzilla is better than this one IMO.

[Cole Deschain]

Loathe it.

Dull, incoherent, feels rushed, lame portrayal of the adversary, and a human plot even worse than the usual.

[Orga777]

Loathe it.

Dull, incoherent, feels rushed, lame portrayal of the adversary, and a human plot even worse than the usual.

Bah. What don't you hate Cole?:p

[Studio Asperger]

I've always had a soft spot for this film, mostly because it's the first G-film I ever saw. I don't delude myself - the technical faults are often blindingly obvious, and it does feel incoherent at times. However, I thought that it did bring some fantastic ideas to the series (the concept of the GPN, acting similarly to storm chasers, was pure genius), and (in the Japanese original at least IMO) the characters were mostly well-developed and believable, with their own quirks and agendas. I also thought it was one of the more thematically mature films in the series, like it wanted to say something to the world as well as be an entertaining film.

I would not say that it's a great film, in either of its incarnations, but I think it gets way too little credit.

[Zigra]

Eh, I don't like this movie. I hate the lizard-like Godzilla design with the Kermit the Frog face. I hate that they made Godzilla green and his breath look like actual fire instead of nuclear energy (BTW, back when the movie first came out, I was told that the reason Toho did this was because they thought emulating such stereotypes that non-fans had, such as "Godzilla is green" and "Godzilla breaths ordinary fire" would make G2K more enjoyable for non-fans). I hate that, after we got Heisei Goji, with all his realistic facial expressions, that this "new and improved" G2K Goji could barely so much as move his neck, let alone make any facial expressions.

I didn't care much for Orga, as I thought he was the least memorable monster Toho has ever developed. Basically just a Rancor rip-off, and isn't even as scary or imposing as the Rancor was. Not to mention that, out of all the conceptual designs Toho developed for Orga (which were shown in issue 43 of G-Fan), the one they went with was by far the least interesting of the bunch, and the cheapest. The same goes for the Millenian spaceship. Again, there were numerous, very interesting designs that Toho threw about for the ship, but they ended up going with the least interesting design, a design that made the ship look like a gigantic steel jock-strap.

The CGI was all crap. Back when I first saw the film, it was the worst CGI I had seen up to that point (there weren't any Sci-Fi Channel originals back then;) ). People in the theater actually lauged at the CGI scene where Godzilla is swimming. I find this quite unacceptable, considering the previous G film, "Godzilla vs. Destroyer", featured a few excellent, if brief, CGI scenes (the gathering military forces, Godzilla freezing, Godzilla's meltdown). That showed that Toho's SPFX department was indeed capable of doing decent CGI, and made the lousy CGI in G2K seem all the more half-assed.

Finally, although the character work wasn't that bad, I didn't find any character besides Katagiri all that memorable. And the storyline was mostly a waste of time. The big "secret" to be revealed, that Godzilla's seeming immortality comes from his fast acting regenerative abilities, was news that was already about ten years old by that time. This movie was a pointless waste of time. Aside from Godzilla's entertaining attack at the beginning and the final battle with Orga at the end, there really isn't any reason to watch this movie.

Sure, I may be a little hard on this film, and it's not too bad in of itself, but I thought it was an extreme come-down after each and every one of the Heisei movies, and there seemed to be no good reason to make it aside from Toho trying to save face after the G98 debacle and the success of the Heisei Gamera trilogy. A half-assed movie is unacceptable when you know the studio can do much better.

[Zardac the Great]

Hmm. I liked the more lizard-like Godzilla design. The spines were a bit odd, but still cool.

I don't like yellow fire!

[Zigra]

Hmm. I liked the more lizard-like Godzilla design.

This is coming from a GINO lover, so I'm not suprised:p

[Zardac the Great]

Yeah. I think Zilla looks cool too. :darklord:

[Spüne]

I never really liked this film, but I have only seen it once, so I may give it another go today.

[blackdragonranger]

i love godzilla 2000 and godzilla 2000 is cool

[Cole Deschain]

Bah. What don't you hate Cole?:p

That, Orga m'friend, is a question for another topic....

[Orga777]

That, Orga m'friend, is a question for another topic....

I would have guessed that you would post that.:laugh: Maybe I should make the topic.;)

[Zilla]

G2000 isnt perfect, but I find its better than Tokyo SOS and Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, which I find boring and unoriginal. Talk about milking characters to death.

[Zilla]

Eh, I don't like this movie. I hate the lizard-like Godzilla design with the Kermit the Frog face. I hate that they made Godzilla green and his breath look like actual fire instead of nuclear energy (BTW, back when the movie first came out, I was told that the reason Toho did this was because they thought emulating such stereotypes that non-fans had, such as "Godzilla is green" and "Godzilla breaths ordinary fire" would make G2K more enjoyable for non-fans). I hate that, after we got Heisei Goji, with all his realistic facial expressions, that this "new and improved" G2K Goji could barely so much as move his neck, let alone make any facial expressions.

I didn't care much for Orga, as I thought he was the least memorable monster Toho has ever developed. Basically just a Rancor rip-off, and isn't even as scary or imposing as the Rancor was. Not to mention that, out of all the conceptual designs Toho developed for Orga (which were shown in issue 43 of G-Fan), the one they went with was by far the least interesting of the bunch, and the cheapest. The same goes for the Millenian spaceship. Again, there were numerous, very interesting designs that Toho threw about for the ship, but they ended up going with the least interesting design, a design that made the ship look like a gigantic steel jock-strap.

The CGI was all crap. Back when I first saw the film, it was the worst CGI I had seen up to that point (there weren't any Sci-Fi Channel originals back then;) ). People in the theater actually lauged at the CGI scene where Godzilla is swimming. I find this quite unacceptable, considering the previous G film, "Godzilla vs. Destroyer", featured a few excellent, if brief, CGI scenes (the gathering military forces, Godzilla freezing, Godzilla's meltdown). That showed that Toho's SPFX department was indeed capable of doing decent CGI, and made the lousy CGI in G2K seem all the more half-assed.

Finally, although the character work wasn't that bad, I didn't find any character besides Katagiri all that memorable. And the storyline was mostly a waste of time. The big "secret" to be revealed, that Godzilla's seeming immortality comes from his fast acting regenerative abilities, was news that was already about ten years old by that time. This movie was a pointless waste of time. Aside from Godzilla's entertaining attack at the beginning and the final battle with Orga at the end, there really isn't any reason to watch this movie.

Sure, I may be a little hard on this film, and it's not too bad in of itself, but I thought it was an extreme come-down after each and every one of the Heisei movies, and there seemed to be no good reason to make it aside from Toho trying to save face after the G98 debacle and the success of the Heisei Gamera trilogy. A half-assed movie is unacceptable when you know the studio can do much better.

How can Toho do better? They have proven year after year they dont care about the Godzilla franchise. They rush movies together, not caring about the boring scripts, through Mothra in there because its popular, have horrible CGI, and expect fans to rush to see it? The only great movie they put out recently was GMK. The rest were all thrown together and look like it. And what are the plots of the movie? Why is Godzilla walking around? What is he thinking? What is his motives? All the movies recently are the same. Nothing different and original. No one wants too see a man in a rubber suit in 2006 wobbling down a street at 2mph with the military firing useless weapons at him, which never do damage. Thats why no one was going to see them in Japan anymore and why they retired Godzilla again.

[Hybrid Gojira]

G2k is was supposed to be a film of new ideals. Toho was, from what I remember, trying to reinvent Goji and explain his "abilities" such as regen (Organizer G1). The new look, the newish roar...all part of Toho's plan. Sadly, they gave what I believe is a slipshod effort in making a such a dynamic Goji movie. I mean the matte composites were so awful I bet some Showa stuff looked better! Orga was interesting, and his death was pretty sweet. Its a shame the Goji suit was nearly expressionless and stiff. I HATED the orange ray.

[Ultimate goji]

I thought it was okay, the final fight scene was good!

[Bagoth]

It's an average G movie and I thought Orga was pretty cool.

[CousinOfGodzilla]

Overall, G2K is an average to mediocre entry in the series that doesn't hold up too well upon repeat viewing.

However, like others have said, it was a fantastic experience in the theater. There were 7 or 8 families consisting of mostly Dad's and their kids. The kids reacted to everything as you would like. One little 3 year old boy in front of us asked his father questions after pretty much everything. "Did they get squished?" following Godzilla chasing the jeep near the beginning of the film was my personal favorite.

And the older guys had some fun with some of the sillier dubbed lines. "Crap through a goose.." and "Why does Godzilla protect us?" Well, maybe there's a little Godzilla in all of us!", as Godzilla clearly causes havoc and destruction at the end of the film, both drew huge laughs.

Minus group experience though, it's a bit of a snooze.

[Orga777]

I can watch this movie over and over. But hey, everyone has their personal favorite which isn't very good whether it be Megalon (puke) or Hedorah.

[Hybrid Gojira]

I just rewatched this movie....

and wow does it totally suck. Godzilla looks awful. There are a handful of scenes where he looks ok. This may be the WORST suit acting for Godzilla that I can remember. Some of that is due to the craptastic background shots he is imposed in; other times he wobbles about looking like...gah. Orga is a rather interesting design. I rather like it, but the suit action fails to be anything close to even the Heisei films.

There are a few good points, namely Orga getting roasted (seeing his flesh melting was pretty sweet) and his ultimate demise.

Does anyone have a link with the original roar Toho used for Orga? I'm pretty sure Tristar changed it and I can't find my R2 copy.

[anguirus55]

I actually think the characters in this entry are much better than usual, which is why it's watchable. The monster stuff is mediocre, though it looked damn cool in a theater.

[Orga777]

I used to like the movie but now, looking back it really isn't very good. Not terrible, but not good either.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Maybe it's just me, but I LOVED the marquette desgin (see poster and concept art) but the suit itself is TERRIBLE. It's expressionless.

Anyway, I just got some early Christmas Godzilla boxed sets. Its pretty sweet - I got the new Classic Media set and a Sony set (GvsKG,GvsM,SG, Des, GINO, GXM, GXMG, and G2K) for under a $100!

[G2KMaster]

http://www.impawards.com/2000/posters/godzilla_two_thousand.jpg

Since this part of the forum is lacking, I thought about making a topic on my faveorite Godzilla film (yes, I like this mroe than GMK or Gojira). Anythoughts of this film that ressurected Godzillas career, including getting him an american videogame deal and another series of films that won him a hollywood star of fame and premire at thw Grawmens Chinese Theater.

[G2KMaster]

This 6 page thread was not here a minute ago... Oh well. I love G2K!

[Raptor]

Quite a few other kaiju fans do also! ;)

[G2KMaster]

No dude, thsi si my fave film in the series. Other than my Gamera 3 collection, which take up 15% of my collection (I got a rather big collection) my Godzilla 2000 collection takes up 33%. It would take two pages to list my stuff, especialy since it is centered around the US release.

-DVD Release poster
-UNUSED DVD 8''X9" DVD/VHS flyer
-Monsterzero Press Screening Report
-Monsterzero Michael Schlesinger interviews
-Press Kit complete
-Print of film with the THE?END ?(don't ask how I got it)
-American released SOundtrack by GPN Creshendo
-DVD
-Episode of The Daily Show with Jon Stuart w/ G2K clip
-all news paper reviews by press
-all my interviews w/ Michael Schlesinger
-UNUSED poster artwork (was used on official website on Sony till closed)
-document about 30 studio-exclusive theatrical posters
-documents listing other theatrical showings of G2K in the US from 2001-now (some are printed off of scifijapan, you who own scifijapan are gods!)
-and more

Ed Godzilweiski may have been inspired by Godzilla vs. The Thing but my first Goji film was Godzilla 2000, which left a rather gargantuan inpression on me. Plus I feel that I owe the film for getting me into godzilla in the first place. I have seen the film so many times with and without the audio commentary I know everything about the film's US release, except for accouple of things which I just ask Michael unless I see someone else knows about it.

[G2KMaster]

Happy early 10th annerversary to the JP version of this film...