G3 or Gojira

[G2KMaster]

Yep. This topic has reached here, maybe again. Which film is better, criticaly and personaly?

[kent]

This is really tough. I think when it comes to the Critically Better category, both have to be placed there; no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

Personally, at least for me, it depends on the mood I'm in... If I want to feel a sense of terror/horror, I'll go with Gojira. If I feel like watching a movie with some brutal kaiju battles and a tricked-out story, Gamera 3 is my choice.

Either way, I think, both need to be placed in both categories. How come you didn't have a Both option? ;)

[Gojira2000]

I think there was an older thread that discussed this... My vote goes to Gojira, because it has what G3 has plus the honor of being a classical and historical film as well as having deep, comtemplative political and moral subtexts. G3 is an awesome story, awesome SFX, awesome monsters, awesome production and extremly well exicuted. But in the end, it leans more toward being a summer popcorn movie than an art house film.

[G2KMaster]

I think there was an older thread that discussed this... My vote goes to Gojira, because it has what G3 has plus the honor of being a classical and historical film as well as having deep, comtemplative political and moral subtexts. G3 is an awesome story, awesome SFX, awesome monsters, awesome production and extremly well exicuted. But in the end, it leans more toward being a summer popcorn movie than an art house film.

Hmmm, do you also think that way about GMK?

[Gojira2000]

Oddly enough, though I consider GMK to be more serious and contemplative than G3, I view G3 as a better film as a whole. GMK though is on my top 5 best kaiju flicks.

[G2KMaster]

What about GMK vs. Gojira?

[Gojira2000]

They work great hand in hand, but Gojira wins out. My list of best kaiju films:

Gojira
G3
Matango
Mothra vs. Godzilla
GMK

[G2KMaster]

They work great hand in hand, but Gojira wins out. My list of best kaiju films:

Gojira
G3
Matango
Mothra vs. Godzilla
GMK


1. How do you see Mvs.G better than GMK and two.. I WISH I COULD SEE MANTANGO! But I want to get the media blasters 3 pack...

[Alien-G]

The two films are so different and I don't think it works as well as Gojira vs GMK

[Gojira2000]

1. How do you see Mvs.G better than GMK and two.. I WISH I COULD SEE MANTANGO! But I want to get the media blasters 3 pack...
It's widely regarded as the greatest Godzilla sequel ever made, and for good reason. GMK is dark, comtemplative, and hosted by top-notch SFX, but Mothra vs. Godzilla is simply a more solid film. The movie bosts an A-list class of actors and actresses, the SFX are the best you could from the time, the story is solid without any plotholes. The film is more faithful to the dipiction of its kaiju than GMK (Ghidorah as an undersized good guy? Please...), and the adult Mothra prop is quite possibly the most convincingly life-like monster Toho studios has ever produced--during the climatic battle with Godzilla, that moth has every part of its body in motion at once and looks and acts completely insect. (The GMK Mothra... er, "Waspra", hehe... was very stiff and un-life-like. It felt like a pupet; MvsG didn't).

Both are great movies and examples of what kaiju eiga is really capable of. But MvsG IMO is just more well done, dispite its own flaws.

[G2KMaster]

Ah, to each his own...

[Gojira2000]

But I do encourage you to see Matango ASAP--one of Honda's top 5 best films--maybe even his best!

[G2KMaster]

And I will, and now that I think of it, the Mantago were also used the Goji manga Monster Battlefield

[Orga777]

This question is easier than people think. Gojira is the best kaiju film ever made hands down. Gamera 3 is second, but it really doesn't hold a candle to the original Godzilla.

here are my Top 5:
1. Gojira
2. Gamera 3
3. Godzilla 1985 (Japanese version)
4. Mothra vs. Godzilla
5. Godzilla vs. Destroyah

It is a shame that the gamera series as a whole sucks so bad. The only other film from that series that I could see making a high list would be either GOTU. G2 was damn good, but it was still the weakest of the Heisei Gamera series.

GMK would be very close to my list too, as my #5 Godzilla film and around #7 overall. If I added King Kong to the discussion the list would shift with King Kong '33 as #1 and everything else being pushed down a slot though.

[G2KMaster]

This question is easier than people think. Gojira is the best kaiju film ever made hands down. Gamera 3 is second, but it really doesn't hold a candle to the original Godzilla.

here are my Top 5:
1. Gojira
2. Gamera 3
3. Godzilla 1985 (Japanese version)
4. Mothra vs. Godzilla
5. Godzilla vs. Destroyah

It is a shame that the gamera series as a whole sucks so bad. The only other film from that series that I could see making a high list would be either GOTU. G2 was damn good, but it was still the weakest of the Heisei Gamera series.

GMK would be very close to my list too, as my #5 Godzilla film and around #7 overall. If I added King Kong to the discussion the list would shift with King Kong '33 as #1 and everything else being pushed down a slot though.

Hmm, so did you like the anthem "Goodbye Now Gojira".

[Gojira2000]

Do you mean from G84? That was a weird song, lol.

[G2KMaster]

Do you mean from G84? That was a weird song, lol.

I loved it, but why is it sung in english?

LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLTMEqy6Ew&feature=PlayList&p=F0C018185C2363E2&index=2

To awnser the question earlier, it was to compete with another classic film that was released a year before G84, Satomi Hakken Den (Legend of the Eight Samurai). By compete, I mean battle of the love balads. Now, compare the song above, "Goodbye Now Godzilla" with the song "Satomi Hakken: I Don't Want This Night to End" by John O'Banion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szMwhGP_3q8

I can just spew Godzilla trivia all day...

[BS Digital Q]

Please do. Its all very enlightening. :cool:

[G2KMaster]

Please do. Its all very enlightening. :cool:

Whoo, someone actualy not taking offence to me showboating about myself... Since this topic is about G3 partialy, there it is:

there are 4 diffrent trading card series for G3. One was in the LD box set, with 12 cards in all, the second which were regular release trading cards with photos from everywhere, another series of cards put into a Limited edition DVD of G3, which was in an Amary case instead of jewel and was black and grey, with a total of 55+ cards (imagine buying thoes many dvds just for the cards), and then the fourth series came in the Limited Edition VHS, which was the same as the DVD but colored blue instead of red.

Thank god for yahoo auction Japan...

And since we are on the topic of G84, the cybot for Godzilla is no longer with us... Used in the film, the robot was road showed all accros Japan from 1984-1986, then was left in a museum till 2001 for the first Since Godzilla exhibit. And now, only the head remains, without the outer skin...

[kent]

It is a shame that the gamera series as a whole sucks so bad. The only other film from that series that I could see making a high list would be either GOTU. G2 was damn good, but it was still the weakest of the Heisei Gamera series.

Funny thing is that I've been thinking about the Gamera series as a whole and in the individual eras since seeing Gamera: The Brave a week ago.

If you haven't seen Gamera: The Brave, you're missing out on one helluva film! It's too bad it came in under the radar. I easily put this as the second-best Gamera film in the Gamera series. It easily outdoes Kaneko's first two Gamera films and, in some areas (such as acting) even competes extremely well with G3. It's a film you have to see in order to understand at what I'm getting at, because my words aren't going to be enough to give you the sheer greatness of this film!

I also have been thinking that G3 is sort of the "******* child" of the Gamera trilogy. Think about it, the first two films portrayed a Gamera that, while darker in content and personality than the Showa version, but are muppets when compared to the Gamera from G3. G3 is so much darker and violent than the other two; not to mention Gamera's appearance is so drastically different. It doesn't really connect itself to the second movie really; only the first film. It's as if G3 should be its own movie. It's like what the new Rambo movie is to the first three Rambos.