Most Over Rated Characters

[alienhulk2099]

That's right, what characters across pop culture, no matter what form of media it's in (hence why I put it in general chat), do you consider over rated? I'm going to list mine:

-Armor Mothra, he has WAY too many fanboys and any FM with him gets locked simply because of a freezing quick attack he NEVER USES OFF THE BAT.
-Gyaos, I have nothing against the gyaos and I think they are neat, but every now and then people will blow them out of proportion.
-Grand King Ghidorah, for some reason he never ressembled the coolness the other incarnations of KG did. Maybe it's his opponent, maybe it's his attacks, I don't know, did like Cretascious King G though.
-Manda, specifically the showa version, what people see in him is beyond me, he's just a chinese dragon with a serious speed problem. And people think he can defeat Octalus from Deep Rising with jaws I doubt he could even swallow the thing without Octalus's tentacles tearing into his mouth and eyes.
-Wing Zero and Deathscythe (normal and Hell), I think they're pretty cool, it's mostly the fanboys making them sound more over powering and most of them think Wing Zero's god-like cause of a big gun (for those that watch a few series having a big gun doesn't mean squat considering gundams use speed and intelligence more than fire power and strength).
-Pen Pen, out of all the over rated things from Unit 02's final battle to Sachiel's battle with Unit 01 and even Leliel getting it's shadow torn apart this penguin does not belong.......AT ALL.
-Omodo, the small lizard from Neo Ranga, see above.
-Big Fau, I have nothing against Fau, he's my second favorite villian of the series, and that's really it, it's mostly me being a Duo fanboy.
-Somlum and Vamore, Somlum has super flesh glue that is really cheap and he looks terrible. Vamore is mentioned because his lasers are said to be super strong and yet they hardly do ANYTHING.
-Darth Vader, Maul and Tyrannus were cooler and this guy's just plain slow.
-Birdon, he's my favorite Taroh monster, but every now and then he's blown out of proportion.

Yeah, that should do it.

[BS Digital Q]

Did someone just say...Manda was overrated? Oh ****, I see no good coming of this...


Anyway, I don't particularly like the term 'overrated,' given its repetitive and annoying use. Certainly some characters are, well, more highly regarded than they should be. Pretty much anyone from a Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts game comes to mind for me, as well as pretty much 99% of anime characters (except those from Hellsing. They're badass mutha****ahs).

Soooo, who do I think is quote, 'overrated'?

-The Hulk. Yes, I like him, especially when well written. He's an iconic character, and pretty much is the ultimate modern Jekyll/Hyde character. My complaint regarding him is that, for all intents and purposes, he is Marvel's "Superman." I say this in the sense that he is treated as practically impossible to defeat so that many foes get squashed with relative ease (glares at WWH). Its like no one is willing to actually have someone in Hulk's league actually manage to take him down or prove he's not some godly powerhouse of strength. I have largely the same issue with Superman, though not to as high a degree (despite Supes sometimes being an even worse offender) because he's a favorite character of mine.

-Sonic. Just look at the mindless spawn that are his 'fans.' I dare you. How such a **** character can sustain such absolute bullshit crap is mind boggling.

-Most Marvel characters actually come to mind for me. I dunno, maybe its more Marvel's habit of focusing on **** and marketing, rather than quality storytelling and compelling characterization (the fact that such stories even get made at Marvel never ceases to amaze me). Plus, I get sick and tired of hearing or seeing the same characters over and over again. 'tis why Annihilation and Captain Britain & MI13 are such wonderful series.

S'all I can think of for now...

[Orga777]

...Insulting Gundam Deathscythe and GKG is one thing. Insulting Darth Vader is unforgivable. *gets out flail* Time for another beating. Well, at least Epyon wasn't in your list. Because then you would get more than a beating. ;)

Anyway, I got a few myself:
EVA's and Angels in general (NGE)- I have seen people blow these things out of proportion so much around here that it kinda got tireing. Luckily we have Zigra and Cole around to help put people in their places. The show is overrated too for that matter, but that is another discussion for later.

Squall (Final Fantasy VIII)- People think Cloud is bad... but DAMN, Squall makes Cloud look normal when it comes to emoness. Squall just downright annoys me.

Golbez (Final Fantasy IV)- Seriously, he isn't even a bad guy and people still have him in lists while Kefka is absent. Are they high? Sure he looks like a Darth Vader wannabe, but he is being controlled by Zemus (who also isn't a good villain btw) and his plans are convoluted even for the average FF villain. Heck, Rubicante and Dr. Lugae are better villains from the same game and they are in it for only a short time! I could also go into how FFIV is the most overrated game in the entire series, but that is also for another place and time.

Seymore (Final Fantasy X)- A Sehiroth wannabe and he fails miserably and falls drastically short.

Lelouch (Code Geass)- I have personal experience dealing with people who like him... My god... No matter how much of an *** he is, people overblow everything he does. Heck, they so blindly like the character that they end up contradicting themselves any time he changes his plans and goals.

Himura Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin)- Yes he is strong, I get it, but he isn't some god, damn it. I like the character myself, but people just go overboard with the character and end up degraded other strong characters in the series for their own deluded views.

Showa Godzilla- No matter how much people say it, he still can't beat half the kaiju people claim he can beat.

Biollante- Now this one takes the cake. Seriously, when people claim she can beat Godzilla's, it is time to ban her from tournies.

Darth Maul- What did he do? Kill Qui-Gon? Not impressed. He gets too much cred and some people think he can beat Vader? They need to put down the crack pipes. He isn't all that great a fighter either. He is nimble, but so overconfident that he lost to Obi-wan before he became strong. Heck, I am pretty sure Grievous would beat the stuffing out of him.

I will probably think of more later, but these are the first ones that come to mind.

[Tomzilla]

I'll second The Hulk. I love the green goliath as much as the next comic fanatic, but he's not 'the strongest one there is'. That's not the reason why I think he's overrated. It mostly stems from how annoying his fanboys are. I've seen people claim he can take Galactus, Gladiator, The Silver Surfer, Thanos, and other powerhouses because his strength knows no limits, and he'll conveniently get angry enough to unlock that endless strength to pummel everyone. :dozing:

When it come to kaiju, I'd say the Toho Kaiju are overrated when compared to their Daiei/Kadokawa counterparts. I'm sure most of us can relate. Years ago, we thought Gamera was nothing compared to Godzilla. We thought Gamera was brittle, a complete weakling. We thought since he bled so easily (whereas Godzilla rarely bled at all), then he wouldn't last five minutes against the Toho Kaiju. Luckily, we've learned that's not the case.

Yeah, Godzilla is overrated. Growing up, I thought he'd kick the crap out of God if it came down to that. Superman? He had nothing on Godzilla. King Kong? Pleeeeeeease. Let's face it, nearly all Godzilla fans are under the impression he's the end all be all monster, which is true! But not in a fighting sense. There are many monsters who'd annihilate him. There are many more characters who wouldn't even notice he's there and when he's destroyed. He's still the coolest monster ever. One of the best characters of all time!


And if we had an underrated thread, I'd nominate Orga777. ;)

[Orga777]

And if we had an underrated thread, I'd nominate Orga777. ;)
Thanks Tom... Glad you find me underrated... I think. XD

Speaking of Underrated, we should make a thread on that. I could go on forever in that. lol.

[alienhulk2099]

Well, at least Epyon wasn't in your list

He's my favorite After Colony gundam, Altron comes in second.:cool:

Anyways I forgot two:

-Clubber Lang, I liked Apollo and Ivan more plus I don't see why people like Mr. T so much.
-Clover, he's a C-Rex ripoff everyone thinks is of unknown origin when JJ SPECIFICALLY SAID IN THE PRODUCTION NOTES he's thousands and thousands of years old and thus is of ancient origin. I hope Monster Master and Inferno Rodan read this post.;)

I would say Genesic GaoGaiGar to a small extent, but the only real thing he's over rated in is defense, I hate to say this but really he doesn't have enough defense to protect himself against most of the mechs from Diebuster except Dix Neuf (and for those of you that don't speak French it means 19).

[Kaiser Kronos]

A few of these may be controversial...

Rorschach. Yeah, he's badass and uberfanatical....which is a negative trait overall. He's intended to be negative, and much as he stirs my inner desire to be a Ubermensch dictating to the underlings....he's still not really that much of a good character in the end. He perfectly meets what Moore created him to do, but honestly....the Rorschach wank is tiring.

Agreed on the Hulk.

Darth Vader. I mean, sure, he's a uber-powerful sorceror and all that...but really....the Prequels killed him as a character.

Wankatine-I mean the Emperor from Star Wars. If he had half the brains to go with the power he had he'd be a lot more effective.

Real-life entities:

Humanity. We've grown to nearly 7 billion and done what, exactly? :look:

[Mindfreak]

A few of these may be controversial...

Rorschach. Yeah, he's badass and uberfanatical....which is a negative trait overall. He's intended to be negative, and much as he stirs my inner desire to be a Ubermensch dictating to the underlings....he's still not really that much of a good character in the end. He perfectly meets what Moore created him to do, but honestly....the Rorschach wank is tiring.

Agreed on the Hulk.

Darth Vader. I mean, sure, he's a uber-powerful sorceror and all that...but really....the Prequels killed him as a character.

Wankatine-I mean the Emperor from Star Wars. If he had half the brains to go with the power he had he'd be a lot more effective.

Real-life entities:

Humanity. We've grown to nearly 7 billion and done what, exactly? :look:

Well, We've driven countless speicies to extinction, killed too many of ourselves to count,made stupid mistakes since the dawn of time, messed up our planet....And from all that, learned nothing.


I'd say we're pretty underrated, personally.:sly:

[alienhulk2099]

Well, We've driven countless speicies to extinction, killed too many of ourselves to count,made stupid mistakes since the dawn of time, messed up our planet....And from all that, learned nothing.


I'd say we're pretty underrated, personally

I wonder how long it'll take before we start destroying planets.:nervous:

Wankatine-I mean the Emperor from Star Wars. If he had half the brains to go with the power he had he'd be a lot more effective.

Actually he has brains, otherwise he wouldn't be able to manipulate the Republic into the Empire now would he?;)

Darth Vader. I mean, sure, he's a uber-powerful sorceror and all that...but really....the Prequels killed him as a character.

Vader had sorcerary? I'm pretty sure the Force is made up of metachlorians that live around the body. And on that note my opinion of him didn't change when I saw the prequels. Either my silver titanium B-Movie will is too strong or I'm not from this Earth.:cool:

[BS Digital Q]

Well, We've driven countless speicies to extinction,Nature's killed off a heck of a lot more species than we can ever hope to achieve, and continues to outdo us each day in that department.

killed too many of ourselves to count,Only in the last 250 or so years thanks to that lil' miracle of technology.

made stupid mistakes since the dawn of time,Nothing terribly serious in the grand scheme of things. We're nowhere near doomsday, so long as the nukes don't start flying.

messed up our planet....Pollution aside, eh, we haven't done anything really serious yet. Unless we go on a factory building spree (unlikely given the global economy) or start lobbing nukes and other stuff that is obviously stupid even to actual idiots, this planet is just fine. Just going through a cycle of change thanks to the sun, which it's done since, well, long before us. We're in no position to change that unless the thousands in political and corporate/economic power go above and beyond batshit crazy, start drinking Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator, and shave their chests with lawnmowers (or drive icecream trucks full of angry bees through petting zoos, or a train full of screaming babies into an aircraft carrier thats on fire. Stuff like that).

[Orga777]

A few of these may be controversial...

Rorschach. Yeah, he's badass and uberfanatical....which is a negative trait overall. He's intended to be negative, and much as he stirs my inner desire to be a Ubermensch dictating to the underlings....he's still not really that much of a good character in the end. He perfectly meets what Moore created him to do, but honestly....the Rorschach wank is tiring.

Aw, Rorschash was freaking awesome man... And sure he wasn't a conventional good guy, but it works so well for him. And a conventional good guy isn't always needed. I still think he was an effective "hero" like character compared to the other so-called Superheros in Watchmen. Especially compared to Ozy, Comedian, and Doc. Manhattan.

Darth Vader. I mean, sure, he's a uber-powerful sorceror and all that...but really....the Prequels killed him as a character.

Two different characters. Anikan Skywalker does not apply to Vader. Didn't he make that clear in Return when he told Luke that?

Wankatine-I mean the Emperor from Star Wars. If he had half the brains to go with the power he had he'd be a lot more effective.

He took over most of the known galaxy, wiped out the Jedi, built a planet busting space station, and manipulated everyone to get their. How is that NOT effective? Then in the EU his spirit is so strong he never truely dies and has clones of himself ready to transfer to to once again wreck havoc in the universe (and with the Planet Devastator, he does just that.)

I won't argue on humanity. We are a little overrated. Though I still have SOME faith...

[Zardac the Great]

Overrated?

Apollo Fighters. Sure, they'll beat a MiG one on one, but with numbers greater than or equal to four on four, MiGs rule the skies. And as the Soviets have no other aircraft that requires a landing space, there is no reason for them to not have at least four MiGs.

Oh... you meant characters...

Agree on Biollante.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Well, We've driven countless speicies to extinction, killed too many of ourselves to count,made stupid mistakes since the dawn of time, messed up our planet....And from all that, learned nothing.

I'd say we're pretty underrated, personally.:sly:

Actually....we're not underrated, we just did what the Neanderthals in Europe were doing on a grander scale.

I wonder how long it'll take before we start destroying planets.:nervous:


We may be speeding up the destruction of that shiny, happy fun time known as the Holocene Interglacial. If that happens....say good bye to at least 90-95% of the race of Man, because Mamma Nature spares nobody.


Actually he has brains, otherwise he wouldn't be able to manipulate the Republic into the Empire now would he?;)


It's not so much that he had brains as it was that everyone else was a bunch of idiots incapable of finding their asses with maps and a diagram. Then again that arguably doesn't make the Galactic Republic that much different from most Earth societies, so....



Vader had sorcerary? I'm pretty sure the Force is made up of metachlorians that live around the body. And on that note my opinion of him didn't change when I saw the prequels. Either my silver titanium B-Movie will is too strong or I'm not from this Earth.:cool:

What midichlorians? The Prequels do not exist, there is no spoon.

Nature's killed off a heck of a lot more species than we can ever hope to achieve, and continues to outdo us each day in that department.


Indeed. Isn't 99% of all life dead at present?


Only in the last 250 or so years thanks to that lil' miracle of technology.


Those megafauna in the American continent, Australia, and on all those islands didn't up and disappear for lack of human effort. There's a reason there's no more glyptodonts or marsupial lions these days. That reason is Homo sapiens sapiens.


Nothing terribly serious in the grand scheme of things. We're nowhere near doomsday, so long as the nukes don't start flying.


Every time I hear about nuclear WWIII I think about how WWII was supposed to be over in six months because the planes would drop an enormous aerial biochem bombardment and that would be that and that WWI was never supposed to happen because it couldn't be afforded (it couldn't be and wasn't, but the damn thing still lasted until 1919).


Pollution aside, eh, we haven't done anything really serious yet. Unless we go on a factory building spree (unlikely given the global economy) or start lobbing nukes and other stuff that is obviously stupid even to actual idiots, this planet is just fine. Just going through a cycle of change thanks to the sun, which it's done since, well, long before us. We're in no position to change that unless the thousands in political and corporate/economic power go above and beyond batshit crazy, start drinking Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator, and shave their chests with lawnmowers (or drive icecream trucks full of angry bees through petting zoos, or a train full of screaming babies into an aircraft carrier thats on fire. Stuff like that).

Depends on whether or not eliminating two entire ecosystems on two continents qualifies as serious or not. And if the Sun changes over much....as already noted, say bye-bye to 99% of the human race, and hope like hell that the 1% that survives re-discovers how to chip stone again.

Aw, Rorschash was freaking awesome man... And sure he wasn't a conventional good guy, but it works so well for him. And a conventional good guy isn't always needed. I still think he was an effective "hero" like character compared to the other so-called Superheros in Watchmen. Especially compared to Ozy, Comedian, and Doc. Manhattan.


He wasn't a good guy, period, nor was he supposed to be likeable. It's a classic case of Misaimed Fandom. At least it didn't backfire quite as spectacularly as the Iron Dream.


Two different characters. Anikan Skywalker does not apply to Vader. Didn't he make that clear in Return when he told Luke that?


Technically, Whiny SuckBrat does not exist, and any attempt to convince me he does is PHAIL.


He took over most of the known galaxy, wiped out the Jedi, built a planet busting space station, and manipulated everyone to get their. How is that NOT effective? Then in the EU his spirit is so strong he never truely dies and has clones of himself ready to transfer to to once again wreck havoc in the universe (and with the Planet Devastator, he does just that.)


Because 1) in a stable society, Wankatine would never have been able to extend his terms repeatedly, 2) he was not Julius Caesar or Gaius Octavianus, his attempt to overthrow the Republic was glaringly obvious and Augustus at least had the good sense to conceal the Empire even as he built it, and 3) the EU had a banana republic succeed the Reich. Not exactly a good commentary on the sense of the Republic and the Empire, now is that?


I won't argue on humanity. We are a little overrated. Though I still have SOME faith...

The more I study history, the more I develop this quasi-nihilism-quasi-optimstic-cynicism. It's not quite faith in the Race of Man, but it certainly isn't Humans Are *******s.

[Burkion]

I look at it like this.

Name one other thing in the whole of History thatcould and did make Alchol.

Advantage, Humans.

[BS Digital Q]

Kaiser, did you just attribute stuff Orga said to me?

ROFL, I'm dieing over here. xD



Those megafauna in the American continent, Australia, and on all those islands didn't up and disappear for lack of human effort. There's a reason there's no more glyptodonts or marsupial lions these days. That reason is Homo sapiens sapiens.You didn't read what I was responding to. Mindfreak was talking about *us* killing *ourselves*. And I was pointing out the fact that more human lives have been taken in the last 250 or so years than previously, by and large thanks to advances in weapons technology. Especially when WWI started up...

[alienhulk2099]

It's not so much that he had brains as it was that everyone else was a bunch of idiots incapable of finding their asses with maps and a diagram. Then again that arguably doesn't make the Galactic Republic that much different from most Earth societies, so....

So Sidious isn't that over rated to begin with, the politics are just dumb?:eh:

What midichlorians? The Prequels do not exist, there is no spoon.

If the prequels didn't exist Morgoth would still like Star Wars. How can someone say that? Then again this isn't the first time I wondered about some of the stuff you said. I'm sorry KK, but I need to get this off my chest, this was back in the Mummy 3 topic.

No Chinaman would have dared touch reviving the Chinese throne in '46, not after 1911, 1916, and Manchukuo. What the flying **** was up with that ****?

I'm no expert in Chinese history, but I do know this: People are people, no one's the same, sayin' a few hundred people in a population at around billion not doing something after some events went down doesn't seem logical. Seriously, a BILLION and NONE would try that?

Okay, got it off my chest, although I feel as though someone's gonna face palm me.:look:



Edit: I forgot to mention an Ultra monster: Zetton and yes I'm talking about the "space dinosaur" that killed the original Ultraman. I can understand making him over powering in the first series and Powered and even have him in a reprise role in Jack, but Max, Mebius, and Ultra Galaxy try to make the guy as over powering as possible without making it obvious. Ultra Galaxy did this the worst making making him "at the top" since he rivaled King Joe Black and took EX Gomora to beat him, it makes monsters that came after him that are really capable of defeating him look like trash. Mebius is close by using the "never use beams of Zetton" rule. Sad fact? Beams finished him off in Jack, Powered, and UGMB.

[Goji Son]

Humanity. We've grown to nearly 7 billion and done what, exactly? :look:

Art, literature and music; written and spoken language; planes, boats, trains, automobiles; science and engineering; the aqueduct; money; McDonald's; existentialism; Da Vinci; Einstein; Jesus; Darwin; indoor plumbing; discovery of electricity, gravity, heliocentric universe, evolution, quantum physics; Economics; Reaganomics; YouTube; The Pyramids; internet; Democracy, Communism, Fascism, Anarchism, Evil-ism; Theism; Atheism; guns, missiles and other assorted things that go boom; Scientology; Shakespeare; bullshit (rhetoric); Hadron Collider; Botox; Mickey Mouse; Hitler, Stalin, Ghengis Khan, Napoleon; Ghandi; The Great Wall of China; Monty Python; nuclear weapons; Buddha; The Twinkie; and so on...

Despite popular belief, we are not the creators of genocide, mass extinction, war, climate change, and Death.






But that doesn't stop us from being proficient.

[Kaiser Kronos]

I look at it like this.

Name one other thing in the whole of History thatcould and did make Alchol.

Advantage, Humans.

Technically, no species has ever made Alchol. Humans did make Alcohol, though.

Yes, it was incredibly petty, but I'm a grammar Nazi.

So Sidious isn't that over rated to begin with, the politics are just dumb?:eh:


No, he's overrated to start with because people don't work that way, a move that overt would either have to have the support of an already-existing army or the support of most of the power hierarchy. Criticizing ***** for poor writing skills is too easy, though, and a waste of good KK-style *****ing.




If the prequels didn't exist Morgoth would still like Star Wars. How can someone say that? Then again this isn't the first time I wondered about some of the stuff you said. I'm sorry KK, but I need to get this off my chest, this was back in the Mummy 3 topic.


Sarcasm. See that thee learneth it, or thee wilt be in for a world of hurt the next time you debate me. Also learn the word "DisContinuity." The site TVTropes.org beckons thee.



I'm no expert in Chinese history, but I do know this: People are people, no one's the same, sayin' a few hundred people in a population at around billion not doing something after some events went down doesn't seem logical. Seriously, a BILLION and NONE would try that?

Okay, got it off my chest, although I feel as though someone's gonna face palm me.:look:


Not after said Empire had just imploded in recent memory in the revolution of 1911, and not after an attempt to restore it once before had already gone nowhere in 1916, and definitely not when Stalin's pal and Stalin's spurned (Chiang and Mao) were the battling forces. And China got to be a billion-strong after Mao said "Birth control? What birth control, my people need breeding dammit!"

The film would have been better set in WWI, not after WWII. But then the whole thing's an Indiana Jones rip-off that does it wrong anyway, so what do I care?

[Kaiser Kronos]

Art, literature and music; written and spoken language; planes, boats, trains, automobiles; science and engineering; the aqueduct; money; McDonald's; existentialism; Da Vinci; Einstein; Jesus; Darwin; indoor plumbing; discovery of electricity, gravity, heliocentric universe, evolution, quantum physics; The Pyramids; internet; Democracy, Communism, Fascism, Anarchism, Evil-ism; Theism; Atheism; guns, missiles and other assorted things that go boom; Scientology; Shakespeare; bullshit (rhetoric); Hadron Collider; Botox; Mickey Mouse; Hitler, Stalin, Ghengis Khan, Napoleon; Ghandi; The Great Wall of China; Monty Python; nuclear weapons; Buddha; The Twinkie; and so on...

Despite popular belief, we are not the creators of genocide, mass extinction, war, climate change, and Death.






But that doesn't stop us from being proficient.

Neanderthals had religion and were just as intelligent as we were. See any around today? Big deal, to all of the above. Yeah, I like them, but sometimes I think it would be easier to be still bipedal savannah apes. Then I remember my hearing impairment would make me lion food. :look:

[Goji Son]

Neanderthals had religion and were just as intelligent as we were. See any around today? Big deal, to all of the above.

They had a larger cranial capacity on average compared to us but so did Archaic homo sapiens. We still have the largest cranial capacity on record though, even though that doesn't really correlate with intelligence anyways. There is evidence of symbolic thought with the whole Cave Bear Cult and burial of the dead but these are not definite signs that they worshiped a deity. There are arguments for and against them and since they really had no form of art or written language to speak of, it's hard to know. As for what happened, well either they died from disease, inter-breeded with us or we killed them. Depends on what theory to want to believe.

The list isn't supposed to show our superiority. You just asked what we had done and so I just compiled a list.

Yeah, I like them, but sometimes I think it would be easier to be still bipedal savannah apes. Then I remember my hearing impairment would make me lion food. :look:

Technology has really screwed up the whole natural selection thing. Then again, I wouldn't trade in my poor eyesight to lead a simple, meager existence to the ripe old age of 15, when I was finally gored by a water buffalo on a hunt.

[IceDragon2]

Overrated characters? Well, let's see.

Gyaos: They're neat, deadly and powerful, but sometimes, people blow them slightly out of proportion.

Grand Ghidorah: Regardless of what people say, he still cannot win half of the fights he's been put in.

Biollante: She's cool and all, but her abilities are way overblown to the point where people are saying she can kill Godzillas with ease.

Super Godzilla: This is a major one. Super Godzilla is definitely a threat. He has great weapons, he is ridiculously powerful, he's even banned from most fights. But his abilities have also been overrated.
To begin with, he has no regen. He's durable, but that only goes so far. Whatever damage he gets stays in a fight but sometimes, people seem to forget about it.
Secondly, Super Godzilla lacks something to deal with swarms. Unlike normal Godzilla incarnations, Super G doesn't have a pulse. I don't care if he can spam weapons. If you had an AK-47 stuck on semiautomatic and you were facing millions of foes, would you rather have that gun or a pulse generator to destroy all enemies at once?
Super Godzilla has also been stated to win no matter what the situation. That's not the case. Compared to some other characters, Super Godzilla is pathetically weak. You just need to know who to match Super Godzilla against. For example, what about Janemba? Super G has no way to insult him and no way to finish him off. Or what about Kid Buu, the monster that regenerated in seconds from a wisp of smoke? Super Godzilla has nothing that can finish off a foe like that. What about reality warpers? They can do whatever they want. Super Godzilla is screwed against the likes of them and I really cannot see where this "Super Godzilla wins everything" idea comes from.

[DinoGeekProductions]

Surely someone has mentioned Boba Fett by now.

[Orga777]

Grand Ghidorah: Regardless of what people say, he still cannot win half of the fights he's been put in.

Oh, really? Please explain, because his beams are some of the most powerful in Toho, he has multiple of them, has a beam protecting shield, and trashed the living hell out of Rainbow Mothra, one of the most durable and strongest kaiju around.

Surely someone has mentioned Boba Fett by now.

Didn't read too much from the EU did you? Boba Fett is pretty damn awesome.

[DinoGeekProductions]

Didn't read too much from the EU did you? Boba Fett is pretty damn awesome.
In the EU, yes. In the movies he was knocked into the Sarlacc pit by a blind guy. . . Fit of bad luck I suppose.

[IceDragon2]

Please explain, because his beams are some of the most powerful in Toho, he has multiple of them, has a beam protecting shield, and trashed the living hell out of Rainbow Mothra, one of the most durable and strongest kaiju around


Okay.

Well, to begin with, his beams are not quite powerful enough to be ranked among the most powerful beams ever. Mothra may be durable, but she was slightly damaged by a volcano and was constantly torn apart by her foes. Other kaiju have taken worse and weren't damaged quite as much. For example, Dsetroyah took six shots from Desu Goji's SPIRAL RAY and still had the strength to fly away, all without reforming.
FW Godzilla took a meteor blast to his face and didn't even flinch. He was also knocked around by three nuke sized explosions and only one of them actually damaged him. The rest didn't damage his hide.

There are several other examples, but what I'm trying to say is this. Mothra is not the most durable nor is she frail. She is better than average but not among the most durable kaiju ever. If GKG's beams really are as powerful as some people say, then the beams would have torn Mothra's wing clear off when they struck or at least puncture her body. I saw smoke, a bit of damage, but nothing insanely extreme. GKG may be able to shred buidlings with ease, but then again, so did other kaiju. Godzilla, Heisei Ghidorah, Gamera, Gyaos, Legion, etc, etc, the list goes on. GKG is not unique in that regard.

His shield is powerful and not easy to bypass, but it can be bypassed assuming if...

1. It has properties that are not typical in beams such as extreme heat, sheer cold (AZC), extreme physical force (such as Destroyah's or SG's or Godzilla's) or just something that isn't just light, energy and some force.
2. It is powerful enough to just tear through the shield such as Armour Mothra's.
3. It is a projectile as projectiles technically aren't beams and have physical force.

Some people come up with excuses such as (and this is one of my favourites) Spaceogdzilla's beam is piercing and GKG's isn't. That is clearly not true because of the way GKG's beam shredded buidlings (first piercing, then obliterating them). GKG's beam does pierce.

Also, GKG's beam is hopelessly average in terms of overall quality. It is not as forceful as say FW Godzilla's beam, it doesn't have freaky effects such as the telekinetic powers of Keizer Ghidorah's beams, it doesn't really have extreme heat or cold, it doesn't have as much armour - ripping quality as some other kaiju's such as Irys' or Gyaos' or Spacegodzilla's and it also doesn't do quite as much overall damage as say Legion's beam. It also cannot do anything wacky such as Showa Godzilla's beam allowing him to fly or Destroyah's beam disintegrating things while having physical force.

In addition to that, Grand Ghidorah isn't so good at hand to hand compared to some other kaiju such as Final Goji, Heisei Ghidorah, Ultraman, GxM Goji, GMK Goji or, and this is a big one, Hirudegarn (a DBZ character that technically qualifies as a kaiju). GKG only takes on creatures that he can beat in hand to hand without much trouble such as Mothra who, despite being strong, lacks and real weapons such as skill, insane strength, teeth, long claws, poison, a stinger, etc, etc. That's not power or skill, that is nothing more than bullying.

[Zardac the Great]

And then there's the problem of Grandpa Ghidorah not actually using his weapons.

Best not to get me started on Grand Ghidorah. So much potential. So disappointing.

[Orga777]

Okay.

Well, to begin with, his beams are not quite powerful enough to be ranked among the most powerful beams ever. Mothra may be durable, but she was slightly damaged by a volcano and was constantly torn apart by her foes.
This horrible argument should have died years ago. First off, lets look at what happened to Mothra before all of that. She was continuously blasted, stomped, and effectively trashed by GKG before ever going back in time. Now, just like you continually beat on something, it effectively gets weaker and overall less durable. That is what happened to Mothra. She did not have time to rest and heal the devastating damage that Grand Ghidorah put on her, went back in time, and STILL survived CKG and a volcano erupting under her. If she went there actually healthy and at afull power, CKG would have been killed with limited problems.

Other kaiju have taken worse and weren't damaged quite as much. For example, Dsetroyah took six shots from Desu Goji's SPIRAL RAY and still had the strength to fly away, all without reforming.

FW Godzilla took a meteor blast to his face and didn't even flinch. He was also knocked around by three nuke sized explosions and only one of them actually damaged him. The rest didn't damage his hide.

Wow. You deserve a cookie for bringing up two of the most durable, frighteningly powerful kaiju ever in your argument. What next? Heisei MG because he can absorb beams? How this helps your argument at all is beyond me.

There are several other examples, but what I'm trying to say is this. Mothra is not the most durable nor is she frail. She is better than average but not among the most durable kaiju ever.

Go check all the damage she practically ignored in the second movie, please (if you can stomach it... I won't blame you if you can't...) Dagarah's incredible beam weaponry did absolutely nothing to her at all, and the only reason the Berum could do anything is because they drain energy. What happened against Grand King Ghidorah? Oh, Mothra got annihilated in about ten seconds of beam spam.

If GKG's beams really are as powerful as some people say, then the beams would have torn Mothra's wing clear off when they struck or at least puncture her body. I saw smoke, a bit of damage, but nothing insanely extreme.

Because Rainbow Mothra is a tank of a kaiju that has been known to take large amounts of fire-power and be completely fine. You are degrading Rainbow Mothra undeservedly with this assessment of yours.

GKG may be able to shred buidlings with ease, but then again, so did other kaiju. Godzilla, Heisei Ghidorah, Gamera, Gyaos, Legion, etc, etc, the list goes on. GKG is not unique in that regard.


No. But his beams have produced examples, even on buildings, where other kaiju cannot compete with.


1. It has properties that are not typical in beams such as extreme heat, sheer cold (AZC), extreme physical force (such as Destroyah's or SG's or Godzilla's) or just something that isn't just light, energy and some force.

Stretching it big time. Considering how insanely hot Rainbow Mothra's beams are, it is nul. Again, in RM2 Dagarah was blasting Mothra from the water, Mothra's chest cannon hit the water ONCE, and what resulted was a lot of steam, and Dagarah coming right to the surface. The chest cannon, which shown to have a ton of force as well as it also blasted Dagarah across a battlefield, (and every other beam) did nothing to to even slow Grand King Ghidorah down at all. The shield completely ate it up. The only example you gave that has a chance is the Absolute Zero Cannon. However, that thing takes forever to charge, and Kiryu needs to be completely stationary. Also, considering the amount of beams GKG likes to shoot off in less time the AZC takes to charge, and Kiryu would be defeated before it mattered.

2. It is powerful enough to just tear through the shield such as Armour Mothra's.

Unknown what happened there. It could have been Mothra changed specifically to have beams that negate the shield, or GKG lost the shield after being revived (or what ever happened there.) Because the beams are really not much better than Raibow Mothra's regular beams. They still did little to no damage to GKG even without the shield.

3. It is a projectile as projectiles technically aren't beams and have physical force.

Missiles are going to do nothing anyway, so who cares?

Some people come up with excuses such as (and this is one of my favourites) Spaceogdzilla's beam is piercing and GKG's isn't. That is clearly not true because of the way GKG's beam shredded buidlings (first piercing, then obliterating them). GKG's beam does pierce.

None of the Gravity beams pierce. They are about completely shredding buildings to pieces. Like the beams are pulling them apart. Look at how each building reacts to Gravity Beams from ANY version of King Ghidorah, and you should be able to find this easily. You will also notice how the beams fluctuate in power from effective to not effective in the same movies. The only exception to the latter is of course GKG who consistently keeps a high power to all his beams through the film.

Also, GKG's beam is hopelessly average in terms of overall quality.

Depends on what you mean. It doesn't have to be as explosive as, say, Heisei Gamera or as forceful as GMK Godzilla's beam. He has THREE OF THEM that he can shoot off as frequently as he FEELS like. He also has Wing Beams, while not as strong as his mouth beams, he has about 16 of them! His mouth beams are at least on par with Heisei Godzilla's blue beam from the amount of damage one of them causes to the environment and to Mothra. Yeah, singularly very average beam with not much to it... Now just times that by three, and add a frequency of blast that Heisei Godzilla cannot even match, and you have an overwhelming attack on the way. Ghidorah's have always been quantity over quality from the very beginning. The difference between GKG and other Ghidorah's though, is that his beams are a lot better at the quality department, too.

It is not as forceful as say FW Godzilla's beam, it doesn't have freaky effects such as the telekinetic powers of Keizer Ghidorah's beams

Really? I never would have guessed that from watching the movies. But, you fail to seem to grasp that it doesn't have to be.

it doesn't really have extreme heat or cold, it doesn't have as much armour - ripping quality as some other kaiju's such as Irys' or Gyaos' or Spacegodzilla's and it also doesn't do quite as much overall damage as say Legion's beam. It also cannot do anything wacky such as Showa Godzilla's beam allowing him to fly or Destroyah's beam disintegrating things while having physical force.

*Yawn* Again, so? What matters is destructibility. Grand Ghidorah's damage out put can be higher than all of those kaiju in less time. Yes, even Legion who 1) takes time to charge her beam, and 2) cannot effectively shoot from anywhere but on the ground in one direction. Grand King Ghidorah can fly around at will, shoot off about 15 beams every five seconds (if just from the mouth,) and result in totally overwhelming foes.

In addition to that, Grand Ghidorah isn't so good at hand to hand compared to some other kaiju such as Final Goji, Heisei Ghidorah, Ultraman, GxM Goji, GMK Goji or, and this is a big one, Hirudegarn (a DBZ character that technically qualifies as a kaiju).

First off, never bring up DBZ bullshit in kaiju talk again. Second, I disagree completely. No King Ghidorah is weak physically. It just so happens that Grand King Ghidorah never fought up close that much since he was facing Rainbow Mothra, who is also a flying beam fortress that doesn't get close often. I refuse to believe that Grand Ghidorah is any different from any other version of Ghidorah's. When Mothra did get close, until she went Armor that is, he completely trounced her in hand to hand. Consider even CKG doing rather well against her, he has some hand to hand capability, after all.

GKG only takes on creatures that he can beat in hand to hand without much trouble such as Mothra who, despite being strong, lacks and real weapons such as skill, insane strength, teeth, long claws, poison, a stinger, etc, etc. That's not power or skill, that is nothing more than bullying.

No Ghidorah is easily overwhelmed in a hand to hand fight. Lets look at it this way. If GMK King Ghidorah can hold off GMK Godzilla effectively in hand to hand combat, then Grand Ghidorah can as well. That is what it all comes down to.

Also, Rainbow Mothra is incredibly strong physically. She knocked freaking Death Ghidorah out of the air with a single ram and barely moved herself, and Death Ghidorah is a kaiju that is 100 meters long and weighs 75,000 tons compared to Mothra who is 23 meters long, and with a weight of 5,900 tons.

[GMK12]

@IceDragon

I believe the reasoning behind Super Godzilla's dominance is because he could stand toe to toe with Bagan. Bagan, who could totally and brutally murder Heisei Godzilla infused with KG cells in a heartbeat without being the slightest bit scratched. As well as being a Bagan level upgrade OF Heisei Goji in the first place, who is an undisputed kaiju ATG.

Regarding his weaponry, strictly by going by the game's "movesets" yes, he IS lacking, but then again, all kaiju present also have their arsenals nerfed and have quite a bit of their own weaponry absent. So, I'd wager that that'd be a fairly weak case against Super Goji. Super Goji simply is another level of kaiju, and assuming he inherits all of his prior form's abilities (which really, he has no reason of NOT doing so), then we have a basis on giving him his own nuclear pulse, even if it was absent in the game. And crap, a Super Goji nuclear pulse? I'm shuddering just thinking about it :cry:

[IceDragon2]

I believe the reasoning behind Super Godzilla's dominance is because he could stand toe to toe with Bagan. Bagan, who could totally and brutally murder Heisei Godzilla infused with KG cells in a heartbeat without being the slightest bit scratched. As well as being a Bagan level upgrade OF Heisei Goji in the first place, who is an undisputed kaiju ATG.

Regarding his weaponry, strictly by going by the game's "movesets" yes, he IS lacking, but then again, all kaiju present also have their arsenals nerfed and have quite a bit of their own weaponry absent. So, I'd wager that that'd be a fairly weak case against Super Goji. Super Goji simply is another level of kaiju, and assuming he inherits all of his prior form's abilities (which really, he has no reason of NOT doing so), then we have a basis on giving him his own nuclear pulse, even if it was absent in the game. And crap, a Super Goji nuclear pulse? I'm shuddering just thinking about it :cry:


Okay. That makes sense.