Godzilla's Opponent?

[alienhulk2099]

Inspired by the setting topic, who do YOU think Godzilla's opponent(s) should be? We all know the military will fight him and horribly lose so they don't count.:p I personally think it should be King Ghidorah considering they are pretty much iconic rivals for over forty five years like Batman and the Joker. My second choice would be Mechagodzilla, preferably after the Heisei incarnation since chances are this film won't have alien take overs or probably Godzilla 54 and origin wise all they need is a super metal and it can easily work. Third choice would be Gigan, but he would belong in a sequel more than a first reboot film although if done correctly it would still be awesome.

[DinoGeekProductions]

I don't think Godzilla should fight another monster. Like what someone else said, the first movie is needed to establish Godzilla's character before a new monster could be introduced. Though, if another monster is included, I think it should somehow be connected to Godzilla's origin. Sort of how both the second Godzilla and Anguirus were awoken by the same nuclear blast, or how the U.S. Godzilla and C-Rex were handled in Godzilla: the Series. Personally, I'd like to see him fight a new monster, but if we're going back to recruit traditional Toho monsters for the roll, I'd like to see Anguirus or Varan.

[anguirus55]

I'm all for Anguirus as part of an origin story.

I know this surprises all of you.

If they decide to make it an epic with a HUGE battle at the end though, a la the aborted Rossio/Elliott script, King Ghidorah is an appropriate choice.

MG would only be appropriate if he's humanity's entry into the fray in some sort of balls-out Destroy All Monsters type of movie.

I wouldn't expect to see any post-'60s (or MG) monster in the series. Original or very classic opponents are no doubt the order of the day.

[mattman]

Bring back Gryphon!

[Seer235]

If Godzilla is fighting a foe in this film, I'd want it to be something like Anguirus. Mainly because it could go the route of GRA, where the end of the film isn't about the two of them fighting, but the military trying to stop Godzilla after he has defeated his foe.

It would still detract somewhat from the focus on the nature of Godzilla, IMO, but wouldn't be nearly as bad as, say, King Ghidorah. Who would pull Godzilla right out of the "tragic monster" category into the "lesser evil semi-hero" category. And MechaGodzilla is right out.

[Bruticus]

If Godzilla is fighting a foe in this film, I'd want it to be something like Anguirus. Mainly because it could go the route of GRA, where the end of the film isn't about the two of them fighting, but the military trying to stop Godzilla after he has defeated his foe.

It would still detract somewhat from the focus on the nature of Godzilla, IMO, but wouldn't be nearly as bad as, say, King Ghidorah. Who would pull Godzilla right out of the "tragic monster" category into the "lesser evil semi-hero" category. And MechaGodzilla is right out.

This, pretty much. I'd be perfectly okay with another saurian/prehistoric monster in the movie if it's going to be any kind of origin story. Angilas or Rodan would be my personal picks, since it wouldn't be particularly hard to work either of them into Godzilla's nuclear origin. I'd still like to see Godzilla go solo for this outing, but I guess we'll see what direction they intend to take.

[EternalMothra]

Of course everyone knows that I'm going to vote Mothra.

[Movie-Brat]

In case he won't be alone, I think either an original monster or King Ghidorah would do.

[Scorpion13mk2]

Anybody but King Ghidorah, Mothra or MechaGodzilla.

Preferably, nobody. Just focus on Godzilla.

[biohazard85]

A strong and smart military presence is all I want to see going against Godzilla in this movie.

[Morgoth]

I'm with bio and Scorp here. Especially with any of the big monsters. Take a note from Batman and don't drop the Joker into the mix straight off.

If there has to be a second monster, then its origin should tie into Godzilla's and it should have a very secondary role, as per Anguirus in GRA.

[Movie-Brat]

I'm with bio and Scorp here. Especially with any of the big monsters. Take a note from Batman and don't drop the Joker into the mix straight off.

If there has to be a second monster, then its origin should tie into Godzilla's and it should have a very secondary role, as per Anguirus in GRA.

Too true though instead Anguirus, how about Megalon?

[DinoGeekProductions]

Too true though instead Anguirus, how about Megalon?
I'd rather not watch Godzilla fight with an over-grown insect, thank you. And I'm curious as to how you were planning to tie Megalon into Godzilla's origin.

[Movie-Brat]

I'd rather not watch Godzilla fight with an over-grown insect, thank you. And I'm curious as to how you were planning to tie Megalon into Godzilla's origin.

No. I prefer not to give Godzilla an origin, either way, an origin is not going to satisfy anyone. He's flipped the bird at science so why give him one?

Especially Megalon. You can say that he's an ancient creature living under a cave. That and I don't Anguirus. Yes, I'm biased towards him, he just doesn't seem that interesting of a monster.

[DinoGeekProductions]

No. I prefer not to give Godzilla an origin, either way, an origin is not going to satisfy anyone. He's flipped the bird at science so why give him one?

Especially Megalon. You can say that he's an ancient creature living under a cave. That and I don't Anguirus. Yes, I'm biased towards him, he just doesn't seem that interesting of a monster.
So sorry. It's just a little confusing when you quote a thread which says "if there is another monster it should be tied into Godzilla's origin".

I don't have anything against Megalon. It's just I think they need to stear clear of insectoid monsters. Insects are just too prevelant in B-movies.

[BS Digital Q]

I personally doubt Megalon would work. Audiences need something to suspend their disbelief a bit. Something like Godzilla can be reasonably accepted without too much explanation. But characters like Gigan and Megalon? Yeah, just a bit too out there.

That said, I personally would rather not have Anguirus myself. King Ghidorah? Hell yeah. Or an original beastie ala the Gryphon.

[Movie-Brat]

King Ghidorah? Hell yeah. Or an original beastie ala the Gryphon.

Me too. Actually, here's an idea.

Have an original monster for the first movie, then put Ghidorah for the sequel. Besides, I only thought of Megalon because well, I just simply dislike Anguirus. Yeah, he's the first monster to fight Godzilla but he's just not that cool to me. Ghidorah's a better opponent for Godzilla in my opinion.

[Goji Son]

I agree with CL's notion of not introducing the heavy hitters from the get go. You have to build up momentum, develop a story that spans more than a film. Personally, I'm in the Godzilla going solo camp but if they must have an opponent, I think another saurian should do the trick like Angurius or Rodan. An original monster would be an interesting idea as well.

[BS Digital Q]

The thing that concerns me is whether or not Legendary/Warner Brothers will be willing to pay for KG or any other Toho kaiju, since IIRC Toho requires you pay an individual fee for each kaiju, and in a movie deal those fees aren't cheap. I dunno, Kieth, could you shed some light on that whenever you read this?

[DinoGeekProductions]

King Ghidorah? Hell yeah. Or an original beastie ala the Gryphon.

I'm all for an original monster! Most of the fun of Godzilla: the Series was watching Godzilla face off with new monsters each week. Plus, I loved most of the new monster designs. It was like the producers knew they weren't limited to men in suits, so they made sure to take full advantage of that. Crustaceous Rex and El Gusano were some of my favorite monsters from the show, so I would definitely want to see that kind of enthusiasm and creativity in the new CG movie.

As for King Ghidorah... Well, Ghidorah could help set the tone for a new Godzilla series and get American audiences used to the idea of what Godzilla's about. But I honestly think Ghidorah needs to be reserved for a sequel. He's just too powerful and would over-shadow Godzilla.

Now the sweet image of a stylized CGI Ghidorah won't leave my mind...

[Movie-Brat]

The thing that concerns me is whether or not Legendary/Warner Brothers will be willing to pay for KG or any other Toho kaiju, since IIRC Toho requires you pay an individual fee for each kaiju, and in a movie deal those fees aren't cheap. I dunno, Kieth, could you shed some light on that whenever you read this?

There's that. Which is why an original monster is a good idea for Godzilla's potential opponent.

[Mecha74]

If there is another kaiju my belief is that they will simply create an entirely new monster for him to fight.

And I have a good reason to believe this.

You see back when Dark horse Comics bought the rights to Godzilla to do their book series back in the 1990s, they had wanted to use classic Toho kaiju for their stories. As such they asked Toho how much they wanted for King Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and so on.

Toho then said they wanted the same amount of money for each additional monster that they payed for Godzilla, which was a pretty hefty sum.

Needless to say, Dark Horse said never mind.

Granted that was over 10 years ago. Don't know if Toho would pull that stunt again or not. And yeah, WB/LP has the money to do that if they really want to. But the thing is this film will probably have a mega huge budget as it is. I seriously doubt they are going to financially burden themselves any more than they really need to.

[Movie-Brat]

If there is another kaiju my belief is that they will simply create an entirely new monster for him to fight.

And I have a good reason to believe this.

You see back when Dark horse Comics bought the rights to Godzilla to do their book series back in the 1990s, they had wanted to use classic Toho kaiju for their stories. As such they asked Toho how much they wanted for King Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and so on.

Toho then said they wanted the same amount of money for each additional monster that they payed for Godzilla, which was a pretty hefty sum.

Needless to say, Dark Horse said never mind.

Granted that was over 10 years ago. Don't know if Toho would pull that stunt again or not. And yeah, WB/LP has the money to do that if they really want to. But the thing is this film will probably have a mega huge budget as it is. I seriously doubt they are going to financially burden themselves any more than they really need to.

Could be the same case. An original monster for Godzilla to fight is a safe bet for both WB and LP.

[Zigra]

If there is another kaiju my belief is that they will simply create an entirely new monster for him to fight.

And I have a good reason to believe this.

You see back when Dark horse Comics bought the rights to Godzilla to do their book series back in the 1990s, they had wanted to use classic Toho kaiju for their stories. As such they asked Toho how much they wanted for King Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and so on.

Toho then said they wanted the same amount of money for each additional monster that they payed for Godzilla, which was a pretty hefty sum.

Needless to say, Dark Horse said never mind.

Granted that was over 10 years ago. Don't know if Toho would pull that stunt again or not. And yeah, WB/LP has the money to do that if they really want to. But the thing is this film will probably have a mega huge budget as it is. I seriously doubt they are going to financially burden themselves any more than they really need to.

Well, Toho did grant Random House the rights to the other monsters, and I don't think RH had to pay a big fee for it. So, perhaps Toho has lightened up.

[Tomzilla]

People--and fans in general--always forget Godzilla's greatest opponent: humanity. They have clashed in nearly every single film. We will always be at war. Sure, we'll have truces here and there. But all an alliance is a temporary reprieve. We see this battle everyday in life from all corners of the globe. It's the classic fight between the old and the young. Godzilla represents the old race; humanity is the young race.

Why?

It's not just because it'd increase the odds of a better storyline. It's not just because it'll give us better performances. It's not just because it's awesome seeing a smart military duke it out with a savage one monster army. No, the most important reason is because it'll help the audience relate to what they're seeing on the big screen and keep 'em engaged long enough to witness it 'til the end.

[Da_Jinx]

I don't think there should be another monster. Keep the story focused on Godzilla and humanity coming to terms with this walking disaster.

[Morgoth]

Ideally, that would be the way to do it, but if they insist on another monster, it should be a minor one like Baragon, Varan or Anguirus to keep the focus on Godzilla.

[Tomzilla]

If they were going to have Godzilla fight another monster, I'd actually want it to be a new one. But even then it's pushing it. Aside from my previous reasons, another good reason why Godzilla must go solo is because of suspension of disbelief. If we see more monsters, most of us--if we're getting into the storyline--will be thinking, "Wow, this world is like suddenly crawling with monsters, and these people are surprised?"

Save the monster fights for the sequel. If you can't wait and the plot simply demands it, implement a new monster. Then introduce some old faces further down the line. Personally, aside from King Ghidorah, Mothra, and some other fan favorites, I'd love to see many new monsters rear their ugly heads in this potentially new series.

[mecha-kumonga]

I think the goal for WB and Legendary should be to create a movie of high quality and well a popular movie to start a series. I believe the best way to do that is a solo movie, with maybe a hint of another monster at the end to foreshadow/create anticipation for a sequel. I think the dynamic of man vs Godzilla is the best way to get the general public to identify with the movie.

If there has to be a second monster it shouldn't be a very powerful one. Not KG. He would be good for a sequel. I'd prefer a weaker new monster that doesn't get much air time.

[Gorgozilla]

I agree with those who prefer Godzilla to be the only monster in the film. As has already been said, keep the focus on him and save any opposing monsters for the sequel. (Hopefully, it will be commercially succesful enough to justify a sequel- and good enough to make us WANT one!) Who would I like to see in the sequel? Probably King Ghidorah if they can afford the rights, or an original creation.

[goji04]

Godzilla should be the one and only monster in this film. But, if they had to include another monster Hedorah would work perfectly because then it could work into a whole enviromental message which is so popular these days.

And another idea could be something like the super-x from 85', cept maybe it's a robot. IDK sounds stupid, but it could fill in the gap.

If they did what they did with Iron Man, have the protagonist mainly fighting one overall force, and then sneak a badguy in at the end. Possibly back to the robot idea (Godzilla fights humans, one crazy human goes crazy with robot, Godzilla fights robot and inadvertandly saves the day).

But what would be awesome, is if they foreshadowed KG at the end of the movie like Batman foreshadowed the Joker. Now tat wud b sic.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Since Toho always had giant octopi around in the golden age, maybe a quick brawl with one or two of those would be a good idea. Just as a bit of world establishment, that there are mutants around. A very subtle bit of foreshadowing for future monsters. Hell, even some Kamacurai would fill that role (and big bugs are a staple of American monster movies, afterall).

[KaijuKing]

^ I like that idea. But at the same time...I'd kind of like to see Godzilla as the first kaiju to appear.

I don't know. There are a lot of godd directions this could take.

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

if theres going to be another kaiju that is less then godzilla but not to terribly week (octopus=no). something that can sort of match him. maybe tooth and claw kaiju such as anguirus, baragon, varan, kameobas, a group of kamacuras, etc. nothing to overkill.

[KingKaiju]

I wouldn't mind Toho and LP working together to create some kinda new monster to toss in just for kicks...kinda like what the Gryphon was suppose to be for the original 1998 film. But if there has to be a classic monster, then my vote is definitely king ghidorah!

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Much like the original Godzilla/Gojira ,GODZILLA 1985 and the first Random House novel, GODZILLA RETURNS ,and many of those here have said, I'm leaning towards having this be a solo effort for the Big-G. Up until I first saw G-85, I honestly thought the beast was vulnerable to conventual weapontry. My previous viewing experience with the King was Son of Godzilla, and Godzilla's Revenge, in which he had trouble with bug, and not the military. So it was quite a surprise to see him not going down under some pretty heavy, and spectacular firepower. The viewers need to be reminded what a powerhouse he is ,and the fact established what a menace Godzilla is without diverting attention from him. Although I think the original Tri-Star flick script did a good job of showing Godzilla as the unstoppable force, and introducing the Gryphon as a threat without muddling things up at all. But, if LP does decide to give him an opponent, I'd like to see Rodan, as another kaiju released heralding an Age of Monsters. Also since the Flying Monster is right up there in recognition with the Big-G,and other than Ghidorah:The Three Headed Monster, the two never have had a definitive throw down where they weren't interrupted. This flick would be a good place to start. Save Ghidorah for the sequel is a sentiment I agree with.

[DinoGeekProductions]

Is it right of me to say I changed my mind? I used to agree that Godzilla should go solo, but honestly, I really want to see him taking down another monster. You all think that people need to get used to the Godzilla idea, but you're wrong. People are used to the idea of a single monster, thanks to Cloverfield and the '98 film. A solo effort may not work this time around. The film's mentioned above were good to us, because we're G-Fans, but I don't think too many people who've already seen Transformers or Cloverfield are going to be interested in a movie with just Godzilla. Godzilla Returns, aside from explaining Godzilla to us is really just filler, Godzilla going solo may bring back memories of Godzilla '98, and Godzilla 1985 is what Leonard Maltin (who is generally fair towards the franchise) called "a big bore." As Terry Rossio once said, even if people are confused at first, they're going to want to root for Godzilla in the end. Godzilla fights other monsters. That's what he does. That's almost as important as his nuclear radiation. You can still have Godzilla as a bad *** and still be the antagonist, but Godzilla is also an anti-hero.

[SuperXAsh]

would prefer seeing Godzilla go solo for his initial outing, but if he MUST fight another monster I'd rather see something new. Sorry, I love the classics, would love to see how Legendary'd handle them, but after having spent the last decade seeing Godzilla fighting mostly retreads of his usual crew of foes (Ghidorah, Mothra, MechaGodzilla), I'd like to see something NEW. Bring in the Gryphon, bring in SOMETHING we haven't seen him fight before.

That's what I'd like to see.

[Egg-Zilla]

I say that that any other monsters that show up should be simple, none god-like creatures that would serve to show Godzilla's own power. I'm thinking less along the lines of a traditional daikaiju film and something more like..... King Kong. Kong brawls with one or two dinosaurs or giant animals and the viewer's attention isn't really taken away from him- because the giant ape stands out among the dinos, bugs, and snakes. Godzilla in 2012, likewise, should contrast strongly with any other kaiju- no, any other OPPONENTS- that he encounters. Nothing new- a new opponent will take away from Godzilla. An Anguirus-clone, a smaller Godzilla that the true G-man easily dispatches, some rogue military officier with a big mech, anything that makes Godzilla look unstoppable in comparison. The audience MUST go "omi gad, can nothing destroy him???" That's what the first G-film sends out and so should any remake.

[X-SOLDIER]

As a "Godzilla" film, and not as a "vs." film, I agree that he needs to fight a new creature, and not a classic, like Mothra/Ghidorah/Mecha Godzilla. A new monster is what's going to help this film stand out from the previous ones, and really breathe new life into the series. After that, if they film gets some momentum, they can bring in their interpritations of the "classics" if they wish.


One thing to consider is the rating. I'm assuming PG-13, because Legendary knows how far you can go in terms of making a film dark & violent without crossing into R-Rated territory, like with the Batman films. You want the kid audience to be able to get into Godzilla and make him awesome, but don't want him to be too easy-going for the older Godzilla fans.

They could go for something Chitinous or Alien, if only because you can break limbs, and burn them with Atomic Breath, without as great of a risk of getting an R-Rating for violence, because it's not all bones, tissue, & red blood. (Red blood is a big deal with the MPAA, thus the first AvP film getting a PG-13, because it's full of glowing greenish alien blood, and not red blood). Alien seems like it'd be good for a sequel, but not for the initial reboot Monster, since it'll likely have it's origins tied closely to Godzilla's, and you want a solid, simple story. Chitinous could be an option, and I think I'd be ok to see Kamacuras make an appearance on Monster Island earlier in the film. Like Egg-Zilla mentioned, it would be like King Kong fighting the T-Rexes, and make for a good fight of Godzilla fighting and being outnumbered, and showing off how badass he is. For those reasons, I don't really see Kamakuras as the main Big Bad Kaiju for the 2012 Film.

Next, you need to address Godzilla's origins, but you'd still need a way for him to get into a civilized area for some good old fashioned Kaiju city destruction. This also means that the Big Bad needs to show up there too. I'm not sure if you'd want to introduce something like Regenerator G1, but it might make a good basis for people becoming involved with Godzilla, or creating their own monster and Godzilla showing up in the city. Overall, I think that the more depth that you give to Godzilla, the more you have to build off of it as a rebooted franchise, and showing Godzilla being the toughest thing on Monster Island, and then moving off to take on a new creature could work pretty well.

Some guesses about design of an enemy, is that I'd expect the New Monster to be bipedal, or at least have limbs free to attack Godzilla that puts them face to face. If it's going to be big, you don't want it to be TOO much bigger, because you'd miss out on Godzilla fighting it as physically. A comparison I'd like to make is Hulk vs. Abomination. Abomination is bigger, and physically stronger, but Hulk gets in and THRASHES him and has the sort of "omi gad Godzilla's unstoppable!" feel to it. Really, I'd like to see Neville Page's take on a new opponent for Godzilla.


X :cool:

[Kaiju_Sensai]

Personally I think they need something dinosaurian. If they must use a classic monster, Anguirus all the way.

[KingKaiju]

I have to say, as much as I do like the idea of a solo film...the general publis would more likely enjoy a movie with two big monsters fighting. The general concensus with Godzilla is that he's a big fire breathing dinosaur like monster that trashes cities and is invincible, who also happen to always fight and beat on other monsters. I think that in order for this movie to be successful they need to put in another monster to get us cheering for the G man. Its like making a superhero movie and not having a villain...

[Angiru-San]

Several articles have already stated that Godzilla will indeed be fighting another monster. So now the question is not "if" ...but "who?" - or more appropriately... "what?" - It has also been hinted at that the opponent will indeed be from a classic Godzilla film.

This excites me. I absolutely love Godzilla as a solo entity - he is just as strong of a character/metaphor/icon without all his surrounding rogues gallery. But the thought of a new age Godzilla squaring off against a new age Anguirus, Mothra, or good god... KING GHIDORAH... Well it just tickles me in places I'd rather not talk about.

Either way, we all win - right?

[DinoGeekProductions]

I'd rather see a new monster, but now I can't get the sweet image of a big-budget CGI King Ghidorah out of my head.... Maybe I'll get lucky, and Godzilla will fight a new monster earlier on in the movie before facing off with King Ghidorah at the end. Yeah, that would be awesome. But seriously, King Ghidorah is such an awesome monster, I think non-fans need to take a look at him. Plus his three heads could do wonders with CGI as opposed to the marienette (please correct my spelling). Not that there's anything wrong with the way Toho did it, it'd just be a "new" take. The other Toho monsters have never been given their do here (most non-fans picture Mothra, or Megalon, or something just as perposterous).

[RodanRedux]

I think he needs to fight another monster. I mean he can go solo and smash New York or wherever, but then I think fans and non fans alike will want to see a monster battle. For that I would select someone besides King Ghidorah, he should be the second films villain (assuming there is one), where they can give him the attention he needs to set up against Godzilla. For the first movie I would like to see Rodan, or Mothra, maybe someone less powerful like Baragon. I'm just glad they're making another Godzilla picture.

[Kaiju_Sensai]

Like I said Anguirus is a perfect. Giving Godzilla another dinosaurian foe to battle they can give them both the same origin and thus save time and effort creating/explaining separate origins for both monsters. Besides Anguirus is relatively weak compared to Godzilla and is well known enough among the fandom to bring some name to the film without overshadowing Godzilla.

[mattman]

Please!
Please!
Please!

Not Hedorah. He ruined the franchise in 1971.

Bring back King Ghidorah, Megalon, Biollante, Orga, Megaguirus, or Baragon.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

I think a new opponent or one that never made it to the screen would be best. All the retreading and rehashing of the same monsters and plot ideas in the past 20 years was why Godzilla had to go into retirement. The Gryphon is a good choice because it's a classic beast design that has been in mythology. People are familiar with it, but it's not one of the creatures that has been used in the movies very much. I'd also take a dinosaurian monster or the ideal choice, something bi-pedal. The other monster needs to be someone Godzilla can really scrap with.

[King Caesar Salad]

Cloverfield!

Haha, just kidding. Who knows. I'm hoping for King Ghidorah or Anguirus myself.

[Gmanp]

First movie needs to be a new monster, dinosaurian, and working off Godzilla's origins. In the script I wrote, I thought long and hard about a foe. As much as I too would love to see a CGI Ghidorah, it's too soon. Definitely for a sequel.
I created a creature named Kentragon, which is a mutated Kentrosaur with a bigger head and jaws that eats meat. It also has a biological weapon, he shoots radioactive acid pods from his spikes. Pretty mean stuff.
As for a sequel.... well didnt write Ghidora into the sequel yet either, have other plans.:)

[Jet Jaguar]

I dunno about an opponent, but as an ally
ya can't go wrong with a new, improved,










JET JAGUAR!!!!!

[Showa Godzilla]

I dunno about an opponent, but as an ally
ya can't go wrong with a new, improved,










JET JAGUAR!!!!!

Now that would be awesome :laugh:.

I would love to see King Ghidorah as Godzilla's enemy in this movie. A big budget version of King Ghidorah would be a truly amazing sight to behold. If they do intend on making a sequel, I would be fine with waiting to see him. Anguirus or Varan would make for some interesting enemies as well.

[Zardac the Great]

**looks aroud**

**ducks preemptively**

(from behind cover) Zilla.

:D

[Zigra]

**looks aroud**

**ducks preemptively**

(from behind cover) Zilla.

:D


Do you really want to see your favorite monster get brutally murdered.........again? :D

[Zardac the Great]

Well...no... but it would be pretty cool if there was a drawn out fight that laid waste to the city with Big Z ducking and dodging through the buildings and all...

[Chubalub]

I'm going to sound like a total nerd here, but I'm a little surprised that absolutely NO ONE has even mentioned Bagan yet. Fans have wanted him in a movie ever since the video game Super Godzilla came out.
I'm not saying the origin should be the same as in the game, however. They can mix it up a bit. In fact, I'd prefer the path of making it tie into Godzilla's.:thumbs:
But then again, I'm also in favor of having Godzilla against the humans as well. But one thing that has to hapen for me in this scenario is that the writers make Godzilla known as a NATURAL DISASTER (something that can't be stopped). That way, it stays loyal to the orignal 1954 film AND provides a much darker side to the franchise. Campy and cheesy is NOT going to sell tickets. At least I'm assuming.

[Zigra]

Bagan would be a nice choice. Though, I'm a bit conflicted because my favorite incarnation of him is the SNES version, and Godzilla would have to be very powerful to take that version down.

[MothraGodzilla]

I don't think Godzilla should fight another monster. Like what someone else said, the first movie is needed to establish Godzilla's character before a new monster could be introduced. Though, if another monster is included, I think it should somehow be connected to Godzilla's origin. Sort of how both the second Godzilla and Anguirus were awoken by the same nuclear blast, or how the U.S. Godzilla and C-Rex were handled in Godzilla: the Series. Personally, I'd like to see him fight a new monster, but if we're going back to recruit traditional Toho monsters for the roll, I'd like to see Anguirus or Varan.

I gotta agree.I believe that the first film (especially if they plan on a sequel) should include some of Godzilla's origins and make him a character.
However,since it is a Godzilla film,it would be closer to tradition to have him fight another monster :laugh: .

Now,if Godzilla fights,as much as I love King Ghidorah,seeing him in this as an opponent would be incredibly tedious to me.Not just Ghidorah-But Mothra and MechaGodzilla as well.These 3 are the most re-used enemies for Godzilla.

I honestly think that they will create a brand new creature for Godzilla to fight.If they re-use an enemy,I'd like one of the other Showa or Heisei monsters.Someone like Anguirus (Like many have already mentioned) or even Rodan would be intresting.

[Chubalub]

I'm with the majority of the group in saying that the first movie should explain Godzilla's origin and all, and then the second movie introduce a character.
The biggest question for me is are they going to make Godzilla a villain? I mean, obviously they shouldn't make Godzilla this corny superhero like in the 70s Showa series, but I mean as far as writing goes, I'm wondering who the writers are going to make the audience root for. Godzilla, or the enemy monster? This also brings up the question on whether or not Godzilla's enemy is going to be human-created or just another subject of radiation.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Quote by Chubalub:
I'm with the majority of the group in saying the first movie should explain Godzilla's orihgin and all, and the second should introduce a character.
I was once saying in the casting wish list thread that I thought the produces, director, and the writers should have Godzilla's first rampages in Japan back in 1954 covered. And along with the speculated origins of his creation, his death at the hands of Dr. Serazawa. But over the last century, there have been talk in some quarters of the scientific community, and media that Godzilla might not have met his end from Oxygen Destroyer. There have been sightings, and other evidence that the beast may still be around. Also, speculation may arise that various government of the world have been trying to clamp down on this to avoid a panic. Like at the beginning of FINAL DESTINATION 2 ,or a bit into opening of HALLOWEEN 6, have a radio or television host with a guest talking about Godzilla, and possibility of other monsters out there. Have actual Coast To Coast AM hosts, George Noory, Ian Punnet, or George Knapp hosting a program on the Big-G, with a guest speculating he's still alive.(http://www.coasttocoastam.com/ ). Also on item of interest for the expert to bring up what some crypto officianados in real life know about, is the BLOOP( http://www.cryptozoology.com/glossary/glossary_topic.php?id=427 ). As part of this expert's case that Godzilla is still alive.

[DinoGeekProductions]

I'm with King Ghidorah! Come on! Ghidorah only sounds tedius. Just picture a sweet CGI King Ghidorah! It'd be awesome! Plus, it's Godzilla's signature enemy, and non-fans should really get to him as well as they think they know the Big G himself.

[Zardac the Great]

No.

Ghidorah's too iconic a Godzilla foe to use in the first film. In a sequel, fine, but NOT for this movie.

[MothraGodzilla]

I agree. Again, as awesome as King Ghidorah is, I'd much rather see him in a sequel than the first film. The first film should be Godzilla's film,not Godzilla and Ghidorah's film,in my opinion.

[Zardac the Great]

Even if there is another monster, yes, it should be Godzilla's film.

You can't do that with Ghidorah and keep Ghidorah as he is. He'd have to be severely wimpified, and as much as I like GMK Ghidorah, a lot of people hate him.

[Angiru-San]

I agree. Again, as awesome as King Ghidorah is, I'd much rather see him in a sequel than the first film. The first film should be Godzilla's film,not Godzilla and Ghidorah's film,in my opinion.

Very true. Ghidorah is to Godzilla as the Joker is to Batman. Nolan got it right when he held off Batman's greatest nemesis for an epic sequel. If Batman had started off with the Joker, where would he have gone from there? Everything else would have seemed... dull. Take all the Burton/Shumaker films for example. Burton started off with the Joker - and everything to follow paled in comparison. Heavily.

The same should be applied for this Godzilla. Ghidorah should come in later as an incredible threat. I would say that Mothra would be an excellent place to start, especially if Godzilla is to be viewed as a threat/force of nature. If not, then give us an old fashioned giant dinosaur rumble with the likes of Rodan and/or Anguirus.

[Da_Jinx]

I agree that KG should be in the sequel. The first movie should focus on Godzilla and how the world will try to deal with him and the second will focus on a bigger threat than Godzilla in the form of King Ghidorah.

[DinoGeekProductions]

That's alright. I'm not a stickler for KG. I don't need to see any monster in this movie aside from Godzilla. I think'd be cool to see a CGI Ghidorah is all (those of you who actually care to follow this thread can tell I've changed my mind like three or four times already). I wouldn't object to seeing KG, it wouldn't make or break the movie for me. The same can be said of a new monster (which I think the franchise could use).

[X-SOLDIER]

Personally, I'd like to see Anguirus or Rodan. I think that they are both interesting opponents, with the advantage that introducing them means that they could be allies in a sequel film. That being said, I'm also very much in support of the idea of a new monster making its debut in this film, if not moreso.

King Ghidorah is too powerful for a first time audience to really appreciate how strong he is. The first film needs to firmly establish what this Godzilla's power level is, and what sort of power it takes to slow him down, or make him struggle. If there's a sequel, then they could introduce Ghidorah as a way to show something that is significantly more powerful than Godzilla has been shown to be yet, and you'd also be able to see a team up battle. When the audience understands how much of a challenge KG presents, and you get a much more intense film. Rodan & Godzilla are good measures for establishing KG's power level, since he's got triple Godzilla's destructive power with this three heads, flies like Rodan, and is significantly bigger than either of them.

Although I don't see the film going in this direction, I think the above formula finishing a trilogy with Mecha King Ghidorah would be awesome. I've always liked the idea of a defeated enemy coming back to be even more powerful, plus a cybernetic kaiju isn't something that you'd get to see in almost any other film.


X :cool:

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Great points X-Soldier. To tell the truth, up until GODZILLA 1985, I really didn't have an idea how tough, and powerful the Big-G was. He was basically a mutant dino that breathed flame to me, whose opponents at the time were easily flammable GiMantises and Speiga. The only cinematic contact I had had in my area was GODZILLA'S REVENGE and SON OF GODZILLA. Two flicks were Godzilla never faced military assult ,and to tell the truth ,he could be taken down by artililery like Kong, Ymir, and the creatures in STAR WARS with their convential weapons. It wasn't until the hellacool jet assult in G-85, and bombardment he took from the shore battery in Tokyo Harbor, that I realized just what an unstoppable force Godzilla was. The audience needs to have this conveyed to them in the flick. In the fan-favorite Elliot/Rossio script, the writers gave us an idea of the power of Godzilla. Although, he was sucker punched by the atomic tranq at the end of his first military skirmish, if wasn't for that, he'd win that round. Unless maybe the military was willing to use the nuclear option ?

[X-SOLDIER]

One of the interesting things is that, with the Earthquake/Tsunami/Nuclear Reactor incident in Japan recently, It's brought forward a lot of interesting views on how the world currently handles these events.

While the military will doubtlessly be involved, I really believe that their limitations of effectiveness will be fairly small. With Fukushima's nuclear incident fairly well controlled, (as compared to what it COULD have been). Even with that, it hasn't stopped some global overreactions about nuclear power again, (exacerbated by the media). Point being, that I have a VERY hard time believing that globally, we're willing to add Nuclear problems to ANY disaster, despite the scale.

Aside from Godzilla's natural radiation wake, (if he still possesses this feature in G2012), I think that the reaction of the general population will avoid piling on any additional nuclear complications. For that reason as well, it's almost completely necessary that they include another Kaiju to take the conflict large-scale, even from the first film. That sets both the human to kaiju power level, and the kaiju to kaiju power level that they'll need if they want to continue into more films.

Overall, I think that with a new continuity, it'd be best to introduce a new monster to start fresh with everything, and then adapt in with the other power levels of existing Kaiju.


X :cool:

[Kaiju_Sensai]

Biggest thing with me is to give Godzilla and his opponent the same origin. I don't want half the movie spent going over two separate origins when there could be action or character development.

[Gfan4life]

I personally believe that what becomes of this film totally depends on the audience intended. Sure, the production team could try and aim the movie at a dwindling audience (seeing as most the populace see Big G man as pretty cheesy) or at the entire world.
It is probably for the best for the movie to feature just Godzilla and the realization of his threat, in establishing his origins I believe is the best idea for the team to go on. Sure the effects and fights of the later generations are top notch for the genre, but if it were not for the superb storyline and all too real origin story, these later installments never would have been. So if the movie decides to head down the path of new series I would love to see Godzilla taking a single stroll downtown, BUT If the team shoots for Godzilla fans, I would LOVE to see BAGAN.
As a fan I think that it is probably the best idea that Legendary use the ideas and "almost completion" of the suit. Toho almost finished the monster, but never did I think that this would give Legendary more leeway with the fan audience because it would be his first incarnate on the big screen. So for all; Godzilla alone. For the fans; Bagan!

[DinoGeekProductions]

As I've previously stated, we've already had Godzilla on his own in American theaters, '85, and '98 (I don't consider it to be Godzilla, but most non-fans do). Generally, Godzilla on his own will really just be perceived as a typical monster movie, plus this movie needs to have as little in common with Cloverfield as possible. Basically what I'm getting at is, MONSTER FIGHT! That's what makes Godzilla Godzilla. That's what people will want to see. Godzilla on his own would just bore the general audience. Even King Kong fought other monsters, and no one thought of that as being fan boyish, or stupid. Of course, this movie's gonna get torn apart by the critics just for being a Godzilla movie, so their opinions aren't going to matter anyway. I can see the reviews now, "Even Edwards' immense talent wasn't enough to save Godzilla. . . It's nothing but monsters pounding each other. . . there's no substance. . . it lacks the complex character development of 'Monsters'. . . Blah, blah, blah." (Either that or they'll go like: "The story bland, the characters lifeless, Godzilla occasionally spotted in the background. THE BEST MONSTER MOVIE OF THE MILLENIUM!!!")

Or to sum up the above: Giant monsters fighting eachother doesn't equal non-fans hating it. As long as the story is good and the characters are compelling the fight of monsters will only improve it.

[Gfan4life]

I agree completely, I would only say that he needs to be alone in this outing if they were planning to make a large series out of this film. Sure, include some smaller mutations and stuff to show his power and what not, but I'm just saying that it would be hard to introduce two large powerful behemoths back story, which is what always gets a lot of people interested (unless the back story would be almost the same)

[DinoGeekProductions]

Well to me if you already accept that conditions were right for a giant monster it's only likely there'd be more than one (which was basically the excuse Godzilla: the Series used for most of its monsters). So yes, back story for both not needed.

[the Godzilla Guru]

Well, they could have Godzilla, Anguirus, and Rodan (since they do have similar origins and Rodan would be a large enough name without adding Mothra or King Ghidorah to the first one) and still focus primarily on Godzilla as far as story goes. They could have the first half primarily focus on Godzilla and the destruction he causes, then have the second half introduce Rodan and Anguirus (and even imply that there are more than one of them) and have Godzilla fight both of them at once. Mothra and King Ghidorah could be introduced in the sequels (assuming it gets that far).

[Movie-Brat]

It could be likely that they'd make up a new monster for Godzilla to fight.

[Showa Godzilla]

Well, they could have Godzilla, Anguirus, and Rodan (since they do have similar origins and Rodan would be a large enough name without adding Mothra or King Ghidorah to the first one) and still focus primarily on Godzilla as far as story goes.

This. If there won't be a sequel then I would rather have King Ghidorah be his opponent though.

[Chubalub]

You know, after reading everyone's opinions and getting the director's viewpoint, I think I'm pretty easy-going either way.
And if the film takes place in modern time, the story would have to be written as a direct sequel to the original (or Godzilla 1985 or 2000 perhaps since all of these were released in American theaters;)).
If Godzilla has an opponent in the film ,they should introduce Godzilla at the VERY beginning of the film. That way, it cuts right to the chase and doesn't waste time explaining origins. And that right there is what makes having an opponent in the very first film of the reboot risky. It's because with two different monsters, the writers will have to sacrifice story in order to kep the film at a steady length. After Godzilla attacks at the start of the film, then the human characters can begin mistaking other attacks on submarines and whatnot for Godzilla when really it's the other monster.
However, if Godzilla DOESN'T have an opponent, that would give the wiriters a chance to expand their story and give a full-hearted American reboot of the story. And who knows? Maybe they could tie-in a military made opponent like the Super-X from '85.
I'm actualy surprised nobody has mentioned the Super-X yet. I mean, it's an opponent, isn't it? We can have a military made weapon against Godzilla for the first film, and then move on to a monster for the next film.
Honestly guys, I could go either way, but I'm really leaning towards having the first movie being just Godzilla and maybe a military weapon. I mean, if the first one is loved, think about how much money the second one will make with another monster added into the mix. It's like what Christopher Nolan did with Batman. He waited until the second film in order to bring out Batman's greatest adversary.
But again, that's just my take on it...:p

[GodzillaMan]

Not quite sure. Although, I don't think he will fight another monster.

[GodzillaMan]

Let me rephrase my last post a little bit. I just read up on this new movie and I heard that he WILL be fighting another monster :)!!! We do not know what its name is, nor what it will look like, but I suspect that it will be something totally epic! :)

[Dave McDave]

Personally, forgetting this new American film for a moment, when Toho do get back to making their own Big G films again, I hope they remake Gojira 1954 as a period mini series, allowing for the introduction of several characters early on along with building tension, and setting the time frame within post McCarthyism Japan...

From here a new continuity can continue! Imagine the ratings...

[Jet Jaguar]

I'm guessing the Opponent will be Mechanized

[Angiru-San]

I'm guessing the Opponent will be Mechanized

Probably a solid bet, I'd say. Legendary will no doubt be paying close attention to how Pacific Rim is received - giant robots on monsters is the entire premise of that film.

I'm all for a huge budget Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla. I'd prefer a monster opponent, however.

[DinoGeekProductions]

The fewer comparisons Godzilla draws to Pacific Rim, and vice-versa, the better. Come on, if they're just going to have Godzilla fight a robot it's going to be a scaled-down Pacific Rim.

[Angiru-San]

The fewer comparisons Godzilla draws to Pacific Rim, and vice-versa, the better. Come on, if they're just going to have Godzilla fight a robot it's going to be a scaled-down Pacific Rim.

Not how the business works. Comparisons will undoubtedly be made. Del Toro has stated on numerous occasions that he is aiming to capture a "Godzilla-like atmosphere both in plot and creature design". Considering both films are under the same studio/funding umbrella - cues will be taken from how Pacific Rim is received. The two projects have already begun influencing each other for a couple of years now through their pre-production processes.

[Super Angillas]

Whatever they do, they need to make sure that Godzilla and Pacific Rim seem different from each other. If WB had done a , say Shadow movie right about the same time as Batman Begins, and they looked similer, and had the same kind of foe, then it would have hurt one of them. On the other hand, Iron Man, and Batman Begins show us that you can have a film that focuses on the title charecter, but still sets up a foe that he can fight. I think Legendary has a few things they can try. You can have some sort of military or robotic foe. You can have another mutated dinosaur. Or you could try a few other things. If this isn't a complete reboot, and the original Godzilla happened, you could have Destroyah for example. Easy enough to tie into Godzilla's backstory, and gives you the theamatic conflict of two horribly powerful weapons (H-Bomb, and Oxegen Destroyer).

[DinoGeekProductions]

Not how the business works. Comparisons will undoubtedly be made. Del Toro has stated on numerous occasions that he is aiming to capture a "Godzilla-like atmosphere both in plot and creature design". Considering both films are under the same studio/funding umbrella - cues will be taken from how Pacific Rim is received. The two projects have already begun influencing each other for a couple of years now through their pre-production processes.
Well, of course comparisons are inevitable. Hence the word "fewer" in my previous post. I just don't like the idea of Godzilla fighting a robot if we're already going to have a full-scale kaiju/mecha war in Pacific Rim. Scaling down the previous conflicts to just Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla after a project like Pacific Rim doesn't seem very wise, and it doesn't seem very appealing either.

And while Del Toro describes it as "Godzilla-like," he's also stated back during the Pacific Rim/Godzilla merger rumor that the story wouldn't work for a Godzilla film. . . So evidently he thinks it's something fundamentally different. He must've never seen Destroy All Monsters.

[Angiru-San]

Well, of course comparisons are inevitable. Hence the word "fewer" in my previous post. I just don't like the idea of Godzilla fighting a robot if we're already going to have a full-scale kaiju/mecha war in Pacific Rim. Scaling down the previous conflicts to just Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla after a project like Pacific Rim doesn't seem very wise, and it doesn't seem very appealing either.

And while Del Toro describes it as "Godzilla-like," he's also stated back during the Pacific Rim/Godzilla merger rumor that the story wouldn't work for a Godzilla film. . . So evidently he thinks it's something fundamentally different. He must've never seen Destroy All Monsters.

XD In all honesty I'm sure he hasn't. I'm just trying to prepare everyone for the inevitable. I work in the business, and my studio just canned an entire project that was two days from shooting just because we were basically beat to the punch. An inarguable example is the case of two films coming out next year: 'Snow White and the Hunstman' and 'Mirror Mirror'. Both are Snow White fairy tale movies with the same roles filled by different actors, being released in the same season. Its ridiculous. Look up the trailers and you'll immediatly see what I mean.

All of that aside, I absolutely agree with you, as you can see in my post to begin with. I said I'd "settle" for a mecha-opponent, it wouldnt be the end of the world. But I'm still rooting for another mutant animal opponent, or simply a giant animal. I'm all for Anguirus, Anguirus and Rodan, or Mothra. Something along those lines.

In a perfect world, it'd be Godzilla vs Anguirus vs Rodan. Because I think I truly want to see a badass CGI Rodan as much as I do a CGI Godzilla.

[Bentley]

Personally I think Godzilla should fight some sort of mechanized army or an special weapons program custom made to fight him. Maybe make a side-line human villain that wants to build a robot army and use Godzilla as an excuse to build them and have some sort of turning point in which we learn he's evil yaddah yaddah.

If they go the robot route I just hope it's clearly defined as something other than Mechagodzilla, if possible something that is either a) entirely unrelated with Kaijus or b) linked with Godzilla's origin.

[GodzillaMan]

You know what, before we come to conclusions, let's create some "guidelines" about what we think the monster should be. Here are my guidelines:

1. I think it should be new, awesome, and epic.

2. It should be big, powerful, and destructive.

3. It SHOULD NOT be spiritual in any way (*cough cough* Mothra, Battra, etc,)

4. Should not have a relation with retarded fairy people (again, Mothra and Battra)

5. Should be animal-like. Having animal-like qualities.

6. It should be Bagan :darklord: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IceDragon2]

I would love it if Godzilla fought Ghost Godzilla. A kaiju like that has great potential to be one of the best movie monsters of all time. It would also be comical to see Godzilla trying to hit a ghost. :)

[GlaciusTS]

I wonder what the monster was that appeared in the Trailer?

Some sort of Crustacean or Insect? Maybe something similar to Ebirah or a Centepede or something.

I have a feeling we may see that monster in the film, possibly multiple monsters. But they won't be the focus, They may show up later in the film and Godzilla could kill them.

I just hope Godzilla doesn't become a "Hero" again. He'd be better off as more of a Devastating but Somewhat convenient Natural Distaster.

[Mindfreak]

I wonder what the monster was that appeared in the Trailer?

Some sort of Crustacean or Insect? Maybe something similar to Ebirah or a Centepede or something.

I have a feeling we may see that monster in the film, possibly multiple monsters. But they won't be the focus, They may show up later in the film and Godzilla could kill them.

I just hope Godzilla doesn't become a "Hero" again. He'd be better off as more of a Devastating but Somewhat convenient Natural Distaster.
Maybe it'll have a Kamacuras/Kumonga thing going on? A bunch of smaller monsters for Godzilla to stomp a mudhole in, then a bigger one that's more of a threat and Godzilla actually has to fight later on in the film.

As for tone, I think what we've heard of this trailer has established that this movie's going to be really dark, so we won't be seeing the Big G as a hero, at least as he was in the late 60's and 70's. Maybe it'll go the way the 90's did and have him be more of an Anti-Hero: fighting other monsters because they're there/in his way/he's pissed off.

As for WHO his opponent is, I'm fine with just about anything, but using an already established Toho monster would be cool. However, I doubt we're gonna see Mechagodzilla or anything similar, at least for the first movie.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Why not Gorosaurus?

[GodzillaMan]

Godzilla's opponent has been officially made out to be a centipede.

Read here: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00052266.html

Angry? Because I sure am!!! :cursing:

[Zardac the Great]

I do not want a centipede.

I am, however, glad to have a new monster.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

I thought the centipede(are talking an arthopod ,or one of those really warped human ones here) featured in the yet to be seen by the general public trailer was already dead ? Although, maybe Godzilla in this flick will the first of many monsters, including weaker ones like this centipede, to suddenly show up. And maybe the ones featured later in the movie will be some more name characters. Here's honing.

[Zardac the Great]

That would be cool. I do hope that whoever the big "villian" Godzilla fights will be a new one.

[DinoGeekProductions]

Godzilla's opponent has been officially made out to be a centipede.

Read here: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00052266.html

Angry? Because I sure am!!! :cursing:
It's nothing to get angry over. As I've said elsewhere, it likely was just a demo-reel, the aim of which would be to let audiences know what the movie would be like. It could be that the centipede was a quickly thought up stand-in simply to get across there will be more than one monster in the movie straight away, similar to how adverts and even the opening to Godzilla: the Series featured many monsters which weren't in the show proper. What's more, the centipede was already dead as the trailer opened, suggesting its roll would be minimal at best if it does cary over to the movie. Trust me, let's just wait and see.

[Super Angillas]

Yeah I wouldn't panic yet. Remember we had a giant Octopus in King Kong Vs Godzilla. That wasn't Kong's main opponent.