03. King Ghidorah (GMK) vs. Megalon and Gigan (Showa)

[Battle Master]

King Ghidorah (GMK)
vs.
Megalon and Gigan (Showa)
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Battlefield: Yokohama

[alienhulk2099]

Megalon napalm spams and Gigan cuts up, King Ghidorah stands little chance of winning here.

[Zardac the Great]

Err...


So...since none of the other guardians are here, are they considered to be dead, and thus powering Ghidorah?

If yes, then Ghidorah has something like a thirty percent chance, I'm thinking. If not...well...

It is vaguely possible that Ghidorah's bolts could mess up Gigan's electronics, as Godzilla acted like he was being shocked before he began absorbing them, but aside from that, I really don't see him winning.

Gigan is the key here. I almost think that Ghidorah could handle Megalon (due to brain power considerations), but Gigan can fly, and fly faster than Ghidorah.

So, if Ghidorah can disable Gigan without taking too much damage, I think he could pull it off, but I really doubt that will happen at this point.



edit: Just saw that Mothra is here after all. Thus, Ghidorah can't fly, and is doomed.

[Husnock]

edit: Just saw that Mothra is here after all. Thus, Ghidorah can't fly, and is doomed.

For the sake of debate, KG starts off with flight and rays, regardless of the other two guardians' conditions.

That said, I think this is the fight to watch. KG's rays are something of an unknown, as we really don't know their exact effectiveness. But I'll bet money they're more powerful than those piddly little masers Gigan was running from.

However, though Gigan and Megalon are dunces, they make a mean tag-team. I could see them grappling with KG and tossing him back and forth, maybe even a few point-blank napalm bombs. I'm thinking they have the edge here (that edge being numbers) to pull off a win.

[Burkion]

Mm.

I'm not a good person to talk on this Ghidorah. I personally think he's the single weakest of the entire bunch.

So I think Gigan and Megalon can and most likely will overwhelm him.

Meggy may be an idiot, but he's a MEAN idiot and he knows when to start throwing bombs and hurling bolts of energy.

He's less childish as many people like to say, and more of a low level thug in intelligence. He won't be winning any math competitions, but he DOES knwo how to break your leg in 100 different ways.

Gigan is similar.

Together I see them kicking the would be Guardian's ***.


Unless some one can post evidence that his bolts are actually WORTH a damn outside a random power up to Godzilla...

[Seer235]

Showa Gigan really isn't that strong. He heavily relied on Ghidorah and Megalon when they fought. Heck, he was downed by masers that didn't even phase Ghidorah. I don't think he'll stand up to Ghidorah's bolts very well at all.

[Burkion]

No, but he's very sharp.

I could see him do some serious damage to GMK Ghidorah with his flybys, if Megalon gives him the chance.

[The Great MM]

Showa Gigan really isn't that strong. He heavily relied on Ghidorah and Megalon when they fought. Heck, he was downed by masers that didn't even phase Ghidorah. I don't think he'll stand up to Ghidorah's bolts very well at all.

With what evidence? Ghidorah's bolts do NOTHING to Godzilla except get absorbed. The only thing they ever do anything to is the water... and make it splash.

You can't base GMK's bolts on ANYTHING. They look pretty as hell and sound really cool, but it's asinine to say something can't withstand them since the only thing that did withstand them absorbed them entirely.

As for this fight... This could be a neat one... But really, I don't see Ghidorah taking the win. GMK Ghids suffers from Kiryu Syndrome: hit him hard enough and he'll fall, doesn't matter how. He was KOed three times in one battle, twice in a less than extraordinary fashion.

If Gigan gets hold of him and starts hammer time-ing his heads, it's game set and match.

And I don't care what ya'll say, Megalon showed more smarts than all three of the GMK kaiju combined. Hit and run, the ring of fire, taunting... GMK Ghidorah missed with his bomb, continued to attack Goji with bolts even after seeing he was absorbing them, didn't continue to use the electric shock bites...

All of his mistakes would get him slaughtered against calculated opponents like Gigan and Megalon.

[Seer235]

With what evidence? Ghidorah's bolts do NOTHING to Godzilla except get absorbed. The only thing they ever do anything to is the water... and make it splash.

You can't base GMK's bolts on ANYTHING. They look pretty as hell and sound really cool, but it's asinine to say something can't withstand them since the only thing that did withstand them absorbed them entirely.

We're talking about a kaiju who was dropped by masers. Lasting damage or not, Gigan's going to be down after he gets hit by those bolts.

Megalon is the real threat to GMK in this match.

[The Great MM]

We're talking about a kaiju who was dropped by masers. Lasting damage or not, Gigan's going to be down after he gets hit by those bolts.

And Gigan also got hit by Godzilla's atomic ray in mid-flight and fell at least 100-meters. And stood right back up.

Uh-Oh...

Or would you like to tell me that masers have more power than Godzilla's atomic ray and deliver more punishment than a fall like that?

You might have a bit of point here if Gigan WASN'T able to take damage like any other Showa kaiju could... But he could. Gigan was pounded on by Goji for at a minute (maybe less), smashed into the ground, etc.

And stood right back up.


But let's pretend you're right. And the bolts DO send Gigan to the ground? Then what? Are they going to kill him? Are they THAT strong? They never showed that type of power. Hell, they never showed power at all. You can't even claim they're on the same power level as the masers which could cut straight through trees and leave a clean cut.

Or will Gigan just stand right back up like he did when he fell before?

[Husnock]

Also, Gigan is considerably faster and more maneuverable in the air than KG is. He can do some nasty buzzsaw flybys (and I'm willing to bet that buzzsaw of his will do much, much worse than the D-03 missiles ever could).

[Tomzilla]

Since masers had such a large effect on Gigan, I'd say the ray Godzilla used to blast him out of the sky wasn't packing as much power as it usually does. Yes, Gigan stood right back up. But unless people think masers are as powerful as Showa Godzilla's Atomic Breath, I'm going with my above explanation.

With that said, Ghidorah's bolts are difficult to gauge. We know his electric bites are lethal. So it's not difficult to imagine his beams being just as strong if not stronger. Especially since absorbing Ghidorah's beams augmented Godzilla's Atomic Blast by like a lot. So they do pack enough firepower to make Gigan--at the very least--backpedal.

If Ghidorah started out at full 'my aura can absorb Godzilla's Atomic Breath as I prepare to blow him out into the bay' power, one of his opponents are doomed. Neither of them are surviving the 'Spirit Fireball'. And if this turned into a one-on-one fight, Ghidorah has a decent shot at winning (although his greatest threat is the imbecile known as Megalon). But I don't think Ghidorah starts out with this power.

Even though Megalon flunked Hooked on Phonics, he's still a powerful threat. I'm compelled to call BS on him being harmed by a drill missile (it did more damage than Godzilla's ray, which is ridiculous), but it doesn't matter; Megalon has enough firepower to make Ghidorah regret fighting alone. Gigan offers himself as a sacrifice while Megalon bombards Ghidorah from afar.

The Clawed Stooges win.

[KaijuKing]

How does the kaiju scaling system work? I know the info is here somewhere, but I can't find it.

But if I do understand it correctly, this version of Ghidorah should actually be smaller than Gigan and Megalon, since he was smaller than Godzilla. And without his usual size advantage, Ghidorah isn't much of a threat. I'd say Gigan and Megalon have a considerable edge here.

[Burkion]

Yep.

As GMK Godzilla was in the classic 50 meter range, none of his enemies are scaled either.

Its why Showa Ghidorah remains 100 meters tall, he's just that freaking big.

I hadn't thought of how physically unimposing this Ghidorah was.

...Good Lord I have zero respect for this thing.

[Orga777]

You guys must be on drugs. GMK King Ghidorah totally decimates these two with little trouble.

First off, Showa Gigan and Megalon have as much brain power between them as an ameoba. Which means none. Neither can take beam weaponry (Gigan falls down to MASERS and Megalon freaks out when he isn't even HIT by Showa Godzilla's breath.) Do you know what is going to happen to these two when they are pelted by GMK Ghidorah's weaponry? They are going to be in serious PAIN.

Also, since WHEN does Megalon use his weaponry effectively? How many times did he use his beam against Showa Godzilla? Not once? Yeah... ANd, he used it, what? One time against Jet Jaguar? Not good enough. All Megalon has is the Napalm. But there is a problem with that here... Megalon doesn't use it off the bat. GMK Ghidorah does have his bolts folks, and that may not even have to come into play either since he can trash the hell out of either of them with his Electric Bite.

Once again people are also downplaying a Ghidorah that was also able to physically restrain a Godzilla that plowed through a rockey hillside like it wasn't even there.

GMK Ghidorah wins in a blowout.

[Hybrid Gojira]

This is actually an interesting fight.

Megalon might be a dunce, but he does pack firepower which can hurt Ghidorah, and both he and Gigan are good enough at melee to give Ghidorah fits. Don't forget, Gigan is actually very agile in the air and he likes fly bys. Ghidorah's necks sure make for nice targets...and Ghidorah is a dunce in the air. As dumb as people claim Megalon and Gigan are, Ghidorah literally floated point blank range in front of Godzilla, who then blasted him with his ray.

The same wray which killed Ghidorah 2 other times.

So you KNOW he saw it coming.

None of these monsters are very bright, and Ghidorah is outmatched 2 to 1.

Still, I agree that Ghidorah's ray, which is admittedly unknown, is probably more powerful than masers.

Which is why I'd probably lean Gigan and Megalon, but Ghidorah could win if he lands his beams enough.

[KaijuKing]

Given their size and numerical advantages, I'd say that Megalon and Gigan are the likely winners here. They may not be bright, but they are solid close-quarter brawlers, and like to attack enemies from two different directions. If they both try to attack head-on, Ghid could keep them back with his rays. But they probably won't do that.

One, probably Megalon, being the dumb muscle of the team, will come at Ghid from the front and provide a distraction. Gigan then strolls up from behind and starts hammering on Ghid's spine. This gives Megalon an opening to charge in and join the beatdown. Ghidorah is then pummeled into something resembling scaly oatmeal. Game over.

[SpaceHunterM]

Does anyone really think that the GMK Chicken will be able to outfly the flying buzzsaw chicken here? Even with Gigan's weakness to beams I'd say he'd have a chance of winning this fight on his own based solely on his flyby attacks. Just think about how those flybys tore the **** out of Showa Goji and then imagine what they'd do to a less competent, frailer and less maneuverable GMK Ghiddy. Hell I don't even know why this thing gets as much respect as it does considering how many times it got the **** kicked out of it throughout the battle.


Also why have we decided to treat Ghiddy's beams as permanent things? From what I could tell they were a result of the power surge from deus ex machina number 3 and the ability was lost after Ghids stopped glowing. If that wasn't the case then why did King Chicken stop firing at ZombieZilla and instead simply continued to hover like an idiot in front of a monster who he had repeatedly seen blow **** up with that blue thingy he shoots from his mouth. In case A. he was simply unused to his new powers was caught off guard when they ran out. In case B. he's stupider than even I thought he was and can't be expected to fight with any more tactical prowess than Megalon.

[Orga777]

Does anyone really think that the GMK Chicken will be able to outfly the flying buzzsaw chicken here? Even with Gigan's weakness to beams I'd say he'd have a chance of winning this fight on his own based solely on his flyby attacks. Just think about how those flybys tore the **** out of Showa Goji and then imagine what they'd do to a less competent, frailer and less maneuverable GMK Ghiddy. Hell I don't even know why this thing gets as much respect as it does considering how many times it got the **** kicked out of it throughout the battle]

The frailty of GMK King Ghidorah is so overstated and wrong that it is down right getting old now. Do I have to dig out my GMK Godzilla pictures again? As I showed in that pic-spam in the last DD, the beam is hideously powerful. It is a surprise that GMK Ghidorah was only knocked out by the beams instead of being completely vaporized right off the bat. If he was as frail as everyone seems to think he is, he would not have been in one piece after getting belted by that beam. Since he was, I gotta disagree with such assessments.

Also why have we decided to treat Ghiddy's beams as permanent things? From what I could tell they were a result of the power surge from deus ex machina number 3 and the ability was lost after Ghids stopped glowing.

First off, Ghidorah was supposed to have the beams from the beginning of his awakening. The only reason he didn't have them was because that part of the statue was broken off (the same piece that granted him his beams. Also, if you watch the movie, he didn't begin glowing after being boosted by the statue fragment till he was ready to fire off beams. After waking up he attacked Godzilla from under water and pulled him back down and flew out, all while NOT glowing. He started glowing later on when he was ready to fire beams. I equate that to the same as Godzilla's spines glowing when he is fireing his beam. Remember he didn't stop glowing till he stopped fireing beams as well. So. Yeah. (and the only reason he stopped is because the beams were being absorbed by Godzilla. Gigan and Megalon do not have that ability and wil only get turned into crispy critters.)

[Raptor]

Thanks for handily clearing up SOME of the questions regarding this Ghidorah's beams, Orga.

I'm leaning towards two crispy critters rather than space dragon steaks.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Do I have to dig out my GMK Godzilla pictures again? As I showed in that pic-spam in the last DD, the beam is hideously powerful. It is a surprise that GMK Ghidorah was only knocked out by the beams instead of being completely vaporized right off the bat. If he was as frail as everyone seems to think he is, he would not have been in one piece after getting belted by that beam. Since he was, I gotta disagree with such assessments.

I abstained, mainly because Megalon and Gigan are weak against beams and Ghidorah can spam them to death. Still, the strength of Ghidorah's beams are something of a mystery - the only evidence of their strength is either water splashes (ha) or in the gigantic powerup they gave Godzilla's beam. Really, we cannot say "Ghidorah's beam is stronger than X" without giving a caveat. I think saying the beam is probably stronger than masers is fine, because monster attacks tend to be stronger than human weaponry, but saying the beams are hideously powerful? Meh, not so sure Orga.

And despite all this, Ghidorah's aim is pretty awful, even up close, and he is fighting two monsters who can knock him out of the air. Everything we saw of Ghidorah suggests Gigan is better in aerial combat, and melee against two monsters, including one with a giant buzzsaw, is not exactly a good idea for Ghidorah.

Abstain.

[Raptor]

Something to think about regarding Ghidorahs being tag-teamed:

Two mobile heads to keep up with whoever might consider sneaking up behind him while the other partner baits at the front. ;)

[KaijuKing]

^ And two small skulls that probably won't respond well to high-velocity impacts with giant metal hooks. As I said before, Ghidorah's only real chance is beam-spamming to try and keep M&G at a distance. Up close, he's borked.

[Super Angillas]

The three of them all realize how pathetic they are and form a support group. Is that an option? No? Ah hell, I just don't care, abstain.

[Zardac the Great]

I seem to remember Godzilla reacting to the beams as if he were being shocked on the first barrage. Add to that fact that they are probably the same stuff as the electric bites which caused Godzilla momentarily to not be able to do anything but cry out, and I'd say they're pretty strong.


I'm not seeing Megalon as the main threat here. As Ghidorah flies, Napalm won't be worth the time it takes to say the word. I don't remember him beaming other monsters very often.

Gigan is more worrysome. But I still think it is possible that he might be shorted out by the beamage. Not likely, but the possiblity warrants some thinking. If he grabs Ghidorah, both are in trouble. Ghidorah will undergo emergency exploratory surgery, and Gigan will have a rather shocking experience (shock bites, you understand).

[Mindfreak]

Oooh. Let's dig in.

On the one hand, we have Megalon and Gigan, who while not exactly the smartest or most durable, pack a crapload of weapons. With Gigan taking GHidorah on in the air, and Megalon laying pressure on Ghidy on the ground, they might stand a pretty good chance. Then again, while this Ghidorah isnt the big mean mother****er we're used to, he's still not to be taken lightly.

I'm going to Lean for Megalon and Gigan. They're equipped well enough to beat Ghidi, But Ghidorah isnt going to go down easy, and could end up taking down M and G if they screw up too much.