20. Battra (Adult) vs. Mothra (Kiryu)

[Battle Master]

Battra (Adult) (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20923)
vs.
Mothra (Kiryu) (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21117)
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Battlefield: Mt. Fuji (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333107&postcount=22)

[Burkion]

I have NO idea who'd win.

I want to lean Mothra. But I dunno.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Awesome fight. I think Battra's ability to fly and beams make it easier to come out on top, but this Mothra is crafty.

[KaijuKing]

'Crafty' isn't going to cut it here. Mothra is fast and agile, but has no real weapons that are going to bother an armored juggernaut like Battra. And Battra has lasers.

Winner: The Flying TankBug.

[Husnock]

Mothra has beam-refracting pollen. Not a good thing for a spammer like Battra.

Abstain for now...

[The Great MM]

Mothra has beam-refracting pollen. Not a good thing for a spammer like Battra.

Abstain for now...

No. She has booshable pollen. It blows up.

[Husnock]

No. She has booshable pollen. It blows up.

Whoops, my bad. Wrong Mothra. :blush:

[Orga777]

I am favoring GMMG Mothra right now. She is not only faster, but physically stronger as well. I don't even think Battra will be able to even hit Mothra with ihs beams. Add in the pollen... if Battra is caught in that pollen and shoots a beam, he is going to FEEL the pain that will result from such an explosion. Battra is going to get whailed on all day and night. Mothra has this match in the bag IMO.

Winner: GMMG Mothra
Loser: Battra

[KaijuKing]

If Mothra could keep moving and release the pollen crop-duster style, I'd say it could be useful. But, if memory serves, she has to hover in place and flap for a while to use it. This is fine for use against a slow-moving ground target like Godzilla, but Battra can simply fly away from it. Mothra can sit inside her pollen cloud and avoid the beams for a while, but it won't last forever. And once it dissipates, Battra starts shooting again.

And didn't Battra take Godzilla's atomic breath to the face and keep going? If he can do that, I don't see Mothra's claws doing much damage. Speed and manueverability don't count for much if you don't have a good weapon to go with them.

[SpaceHunterM]

Considering how easily Battra took down his Mothra and, while this Mothra is a far more impressive...puppet... we can't assume that she is the better dog fighter. Battra also has more than enough durability to tackle anything this Mothra can direct his way.


In a spectacular sky duel BATTRA wins.

[Orga777]

Considering how easily Battra took down his Mothra and, while this Mothra is a far more impressive...puppet... we can't assume that she is the better dog fighter. Battra also has more than enough durability to tackle anything this Mothra can direct his way.

Battra is durable to a point. If he is caught in the amplified explosions caused by the powder and the beams he is firing that will result... he is going down HARD. It really doesn't help that Mothra will be much more overwhelming not giving Battra a chance to move let alone attack due to her usual strategies utilized in combat.

[Zardac the Great]

Battra wins due to having weapons and his opponent having pixie dust.

[Orga777]

Battra wins due to having weapons and his opponent having pixie dust.


I just want you to know, that is the most inaccurate and nonsense thing I have ever seen when it comes to people arguing against the beamless Mothra's since "they get shot and the eye and die!"

[The Great MM]

Someone said something about SOS Mothra being stronger? Uhh....
Battra hoisted Godzilla into the air. Mothra helped, sure. But Batsy took most of the weight.

And I don't think the pollen boosh will KO Batsy. Knock him down? Blow some holes in his wing? Damage his exoskeleton? Sure.

KO? No.

This is the same Battra that took several atomic rays into his already wounded and bleeding neck while in mid-flight and STILL carted Godzilla off to sea before finally dying. Mothra can't replicate that type of punishment with her explosion.

Battra takes this. He has firepower and just as much physical strength, if not more, than Mothra.

[SpaceHunterM]

Battra is durable to a point. If he is caught in the amplified explosions caused by the powder and the beams he is firing that will result... he is going down HARD. It really doesn't help that Mothra will be much more overwhelming not giving Battra a chance to move let alone attack due to her usual strategies utilized in combat.



Because he's just gonna fly into a powder that needs him to be in a very specific position? C'mon Orga, Battra knows Mothras have a powder and will know to avoid such a thing. Battra has outflown and shot down a Mothra with a MORE dangerous pollen attack before and he'll sure as hell be able to do it here.

[Zardac the Great]

I just want you to know, that is the most inaccurate and nonsense thing I have ever seen when it comes to people arguing against the beamless Mothra's since "they get shot and the eye and die!"


Oh come on. What is Mothra going to do to Battra?

She cooked up a dust storm. Big Whoop.

She landed on Godzilla's back and made him trip.

The only other thing I can remember her actually doing to Godzilla was throwing pixie dust at him. It annoyed him, but did nothing else but explode. In the process, it tore up her wings.

So...her one actual attack is not only ineffective and actually hurts her to use, but is one that she apparently has to remain immobile to use.

Add to that what SpaceHunter said about Battra knowing that Mothras have powder, and I don't think there's a whole lot that Mothra can do to Battra.

[Orga777]

Someone said something about SOS Mothra being stronger? Uhh....
Battra hoisted Godzilla into the air. Mothra helped, sure. But Batsy took most of the weight.

And GMMG Mothra easily dragged Kiryu-Godzilla acrossed the city by the tail by herself and much faster than Heisei Mothra and Battra did lifting him. Gonna go with the feat of dragging a Goji around like a rag doll and barely losing any speed over what bats did to Heisei Goji.

And I don't think the pollen boosh will KO Batsy. Knock him down? Blow some holes in his wing? Damage his exoskeleton? Sure.

KO? No.

It won't have to KO. It will damage and slow him down enough for Mothra to continue dominating him up close.

[Orga777]

Oh come on. What is Mothra going to do to Battra?

She cooked up a dust storm. Big Whoop.

She landed on Godzilla's back and made him trip.

The only other thing I can remember her actually doing to Godzilla was throwing pixie dust at him. It annoyed him, but did nothing else but explode. In the process, it tore up her wings.

So...her one actual attack is not only ineffective and actually hurts her to use, but is one that she apparently has to remain immobile to use.

Add to that what SpaceHunter said about Battra knowing that Mothras have powder, and I don't think there's a whole lot that Mothra can do to Battra.

I love Beamless Mothra bias. It pisses me off enough to get into debating.

Here is what GMMG Mothra can do to Battra. EASILY crush him in hand to hand combat. Dodge every single attack due to her more impressive speed and agility. Completely massacre him in all aspects of aerial combat, and then finish it all off by having Battra injure himself with explosive powder that amplified freaking Kiryu-Godzilla's freakishly strong beam.

Also, just because GMMG Mothra couldn't hurt freaking Kiryu-Godzilla who is not only a viciously powerful opponent, but able to take a beating more than every other Godzilla not named GMK Godzilla, is not a good enough discredit to a Mothra that held him off all by herself well before Kiryu ever showed his metallic face. Battra is NOT Kiryu Godzilla in terms of anything. Including speed.

[The Great MM]

It won't have to KO. It will damage and slow him down enough for Mothra to continue dominating him up close.

Dominating him? How is she going to dominate him? Put wolverine claws on her legs? Attach AZCs and DTs to her wings? Give herself a facial scar and bandana? Be trained by Chuck Norris?

Battra still went toe-to-toe with Heisei Godzilla. SOS Mothra isn't as physically strong as Heisei Goji.

This is going to become a match in which the beams win.

[Orga777]

Dominating him? How is she going to dominate him? Put wolverine claws on her legs? Attach AZCs and DTs to her wings? Give herself a facial scar and bandana? Be trained by Chuck Norris?

Battra still went toe-to-toe with Heisei Godzilla. SOS Mothra isn't as physically strong as Heisei Goji.

This is going to become a match in which the beams win.

And I completely disagree. Battra lacks any real way to combat Mothra's maneuverability and speed. He will continually be thrown around and battered. All of that pounding will eventually add up. Put in amplified explosives from the Powder, and Battra is in even more trouble. Especially if he continues to try and fire his beams with the poweder still dampening the area. This is Mothra's fight to lose. Beams are great and all, but Mothra is a better fighter and CAN get around them for a victory.

[SpaceHunterM]

You keep talking about increased speed and maneuverability, but Battra completely outflew his Mothra without ANY challenge whatsoever and we have no reason to believe that she is significantly less of a flier than Kiryu Mothra. I demand actual thought and reasoning in this debate and I demand it NOW!

[Orga777]

You keep talking about increased speed and maneuverability, but Battra completely outflew his Mothra without ANY challenge whatsoever and we have no reason to believe that she is significantly less of a flier than Kiryu Mothra. I demand actual thought and reasoning in this debate and I demand it NOW!

Are you kidding? Both Battra and Heisei Mothra were so stiff in the air that it was laughable. Compared to the breaking turns and the movement showed by GMMG Mothra in the air, it is no contest. It is self-explainatory in almost every way.

[MirrenDono]

If Mothra were more prone to using her Pollen early in a fight instead of hours into it, I'd give her really good odds here.

But she's super reluctant with it, and by the time she even thinks about employing it, Battra will surely have hit her with a few beams. One by one, Mothra would wear down, until she got easier and easier for Battra to unload on with barrages instead of individual shots.

I'll go with Battra here.

[Tomzilla]

Mothra's explosive scales really don't help against a flying opponent. Against a stationary, grounded foe? Sure. It works wonders. But not against Battra. He's too fast for those scales. And if Mothra tries swooping down to bash him out of the sky, what is stopping Battra from electrocuting her again? Battra was not only strong enough to pick Heisei Godzilla up and carry him across a vast distance, he survived the very same Godzilla in a physical confrontation.

Battra is an armored, flying fortress. Those Prism Beams of his will cut Mothra down.

Winner: Battra

Loser: Mothra

[Hybrid Gojira]

I will say this - Battra doesn't appear nearly as agile in the air as Mothra did in TSOS. However, even if Mothra outclasses Battra in a dogfight (melee) Battra has beams and LOVES to spam them. I see Mothra losing, but it would be pretty awesome to watch. Mothra is very smart, so she'll find a way to give Battra fits in the process.

[Inferno Rodan]

...

Really guys? Really?

Sure, SOS Mothra COMPLETELY outclasses Battra in terms of maneuverability. Shame that doesn't make up for her complete lack of any method of actually harming Battra. It'll only prolong the inevitable. He'll eventually land enough hits with his Prism beams to bring her down.

[Zardac the Great]

I love Beamless Mothra bias. It pisses me off enough to get into debating.

Then it's worth it. You BELONG in these debates.


Here is what GMMG Mothra can do to Battra. EASILY crush him in hand to hand combat.

That would be nice if, you know, she actually engaged in melee combat. The only melee she ever engaged in was to push Godzilla, speeding him up to the point where his feet couldn't keep up. That won't work against Battra, and it was her only move.


Dodge every single attack due to her more impressive speed and agility.

Dodging is good, but at some point, you have to actually hurt your enemy. I'm not saying the fight will be quick, I'm saying that it will be one sided, and that Mothra will lose.


Completely massacre him in all aspects of aerial combat,

Because all those fuzzy parts will suddenly become uber weapons of killer doom.


and then finish it all off by having Battra injure himself with explosive powder that amplified freaking Kiryu-Godzilla's freakishly strong beam.

Because she's always used her pixie dust on the move. Instead of hovering right in front of her opponent who is also standing still.


Also, just because GMMG Mothra couldn't hurt freaking Kiryu-Godzilla who is not only a viciously powerful opponent, but able to take a beating more than every other Godzilla not named GMK Godzilla, is not a good enough discredit to a Mothra that held him off all by herself well before Kiryu ever showed his metallic face.

Truth. In raw form. Except that by "holding him off," what you should have said was "manage to survive," because she didn't do a freaking thing to him, expect to cause him to be more destructive.


Battra is NOT Kiryu Godzilla in terms of anything. Including speed.

I never said that Battra is mighty. What I'm saying is that 1) Mothra has no way of inflicting damage on Battra (either physically or with energy weapons) and 2) Battra does have ways of inflicting damage to Mothra. 3) This means that Battra wins.

[Angirus7899]

I Think Battra will win just because he has the weapons. if he stays out of the pollen mothra is a siiting duck.


Edge Battra

[Super Angillas]

I don't know, how smart can Battra be. I mean he let Mothra talk him into taking the dangerous side. And if they had just rolled godzilla over so him mouth was facing down, they could have carried him safely. Hmmn maybe that was Mothra's plan all along... she tricked Battra into getting himself killed!
Joking, just joking.

[Showa Godzilla]

I'll have to watch both movies again to be sure, but I'm leaning towards Battra right now. Battra has the prism beams, and is very tough. Mothra has great speed and maneuverability, and she has the scale attack. As fast as Mothra is, I don't see her doing a whole lot of damage in this fight, while Battra will definitely be able to dish out some damage. She may be able to use the scales to inflict some damage, but I don't think it'll be enough.