02. Super MechaGodzilla vs. Godzilla (Kiryu)

[Battle Master]

Super MechaGodzilla (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21124)
vs.
Godzilla (Kiryu) (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21142)
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Battlefield: Late Cretaceous (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333089&postcount=16)

[The Great MM]

HA! GXMG Godzilla had problems against a MechaGodzilla that was beyond inferior than SMG. Super MechaGodzilla is going to SLAUGHTER GXMG Godzilla. Between the Mega-Buster which alone is better than everything Kiryu had, save the AZC, the Plasma Grenade, and tons of beams and G-Crushers...

GXMG is not walking away from this alive.

[Super Angillas]

While I disagree on your opinion of how good Kiryu is, I do think that SMG has the advantages with this one. The only thing that could possibly cause any trouble for SMG is if this Goji's beam has more push in it, and even then I doubt it'd be to bad as long as the crew made sure to pay attention. Let's face it, the Plasma Grenade and armor make SMG very well suited to fighting Godzilla's. And with the armor, taking a beam in the face if Goji plays possum won't be as bad. I don't recall Kiryu Goji ever moving that fast, so SMG shouldn't have to worry about melee or bieng stomped on.

[Husnock]

I agree with the above. SMG may be nudged a bit by the force of the ray, but the PG will send Kiryu-Goji A LOT farther...

[SpaceHunterM]

Something that has bugged me for awhile now is people claiming that Heisei Goji's beam has little to no kinetic energy. The beam blasted Battra out of the air and sent Rodan flying backwards, while they aren't the MASSIVE grounded opponents the hiesei era is famous for, they still have a significant amount of weight behind them and provide a good indication of the force behind Godzilla's beam, a beam that MG literally walked through in his first battle. That being said, Kiryu Goji is not an opponent we'd have to waste the NT-20 armor kinetic resistance debate on. SMG wins this one easy.

[Super Angillas]

Yeah, I got to agree with you here. At worst SMG would have to stand in place while taking the beam. That's not really a disadvantage for him.

[Orga777]

Something that has bugged me for awhile now is people claiming that Heisei Goji's beam has little to no kinetic energy. The beam blasted Battra out of the air and sent Rodan flying backwards, while they aren't the MASSIVE grounded opponents the hiesei era is famous for, they still have a significant amount of weight behind them and provide a good indication of the force behind Godzilla's beam, a beam that MG literally walked through in his first battle. That being said, Kiryu Goji is not an opponent we'd have to waste the NT-20 armor kinetic resistance debate on. SMG wins this one easy.

Battra was shot out of the air. That does not really equate to kinetic energy. Gigan was shot out of the air by Showa Godzilla. Doesn't mean Showa Goji's beam has any kinetic energy either. As for Rodan...

DD Stats:
Heisei Rodan:
Height: 43.75 meters
Weight: 10,000 metric tons

Kiryu:
Height: 60 meters
Weight: 40,000 metric tons

Kiryu also went a lot further than Rodan did. Kiryu wasn't point blank either.

But, other than the kinetic push debate, there is little to argue. Super Mecha-Godzilla has a huge advantage here. The mecha even has a weakness to exploit on this Godzilla, and with all of SMG's beams, it will get hit. Kiryu-Godzilla's beam will also be negated for the most part. Yeah, the push behind the beam will still get through, but I do not see that being enough to win him the fight at all. Unlike Orga who doesn't charge the PG, this is bad news for Goji because it only takes one to hurl Kiryu-Goji around.

Yes, Goji can take some punishment, but there is only so much he can take. Giving this to Super Mecha-Godzilla.

[Seer235]

Yes, kinetic force may be a problem, but remember that SMG weighs twice as much as Kiryu does, so it won't be thrown around nearly as much. And SMG has taken considerable concussive damage (from Heisei Goji's blows) and come up fine afterwards, even ramming straight into Goji.

Really, I don't think Kiryu Goji stands much of a chance.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Going with SMG here because his weight largely negates the force of Goji's beam. Aside from that, Kiryu's masers obviously hurt Godzilla, and MG has lots of beams which he constantly spams. :(

[Super Angillas]

Yes, kinetic force may be a problem, but remember that SMG weighs twice as much as Kiryu does, so it won't be thrown around nearly as much. And SMG has taken considerable concussive damage (from Heisei Goji's blows) and come up fine afterwards, even ramming straight into Goji.

Really, I don't think Kiryu Goji stands much of a chance.

Let's not forget that When Goji was stomping on SMG is was a fairly constant aplication of pressure. It was starting to force things out of place, and buckle bulkheads and whatnot. The Beam is fairly short term, so it might not be as bad.

[SuperXAsh]

Heisei MechaGodzilla never really hit me as quick or as versatile as Kiryu MG. Maybe it's my fractured memory, but Heisei MG just came across as slow and sluggish. Not to mention alot less in the realm of effective weaponry. Besides the G-Crusher (which requires Miki Segusa to work, and I doubt she's apart of this fight, you know... outside interference and whatnot) nothing in his arsenal really hit me as "wow this is super effective".

Also keep in mind that Kiryu Goji isn't going to be holding back because this MechaGodzilla isn't his dad.

AND I doubt this Goji has the same anatomy as Heisei Goji, no "secondary brain" bullshit. GvsMG II came out in and around Jurassic Park, so they were trying to make it more "dinosaur-ish", thus the whole junk about secondary brains. Was never brought up again in ANY subsequent Godzilla movie.

I'm leaning Kiryu Goji for now

[SpaceHunterM]

Heisei MechaGodzilla never really hit me as quick or as versatile as Kiryu MG. Maybe it's my fractured memory, but Heisei MG just came across as slow and sluggish. Not to mention alot less in the realm of effective weaponry. Besides the G-Crusher (which requires Miki Segusa to work, and I doubt she's apart of this fight, you know... outside interference and whatnot) nothing in his arsenal really hit me as "wow this is super effective".

Also keep in mind that Kiryu Goji isn't going to be holding back because this MechaGodzilla isn't his dad.

AND I doubt this Goji has the same anatomy as Heisei Goji, no "secondary brain" bullshit. GvsMG II came out in and around Jurassic Park, so they were trying to make it more "dinosaur-ish", thus the whole junk about secondary brains. Was never brought up again in ANY subsequent Godzilla movie.

I'm leaning Kiryu Goji for now


Wow...glad to see someone chose to be ignorant just for the sake of it. Let me put a few things in bullet form so you won't have to think too hard about this matchup.


-SMG is actually very agile mecha with his Garuda attachment and his strategy SOLELY consists of hovering away/around his opponents staying out of melee range.
- Kiryu Goji is WEAK to beams
-SMG has MANY BEAMS and they ARE very DANGEROUS, go look at any of the numerous threads where I have posted the damage they inflicted on Rodan and Hulk Godzilla himself.
- Kiryu on the other hand has mostly ineffectual weaponry that is barely above normal military standards save the AZC.
- So a necessary member of the crew needed to fire the G-Crusher the most efficiently is outside interference? It's not...that is a stupid idea and there are no other words for it.
-Any idea that Kiryu Goji was holding back against Kiryu is just...ugh.
- Making a claim that one goji doesn't have a second brain just because you feel it was bullshit does not qualify as evidence or an effective argument.
- You forgot to mention how the hell Kiryu Goji will be able to withstand an assault that makes Kiryu look pathetic by example.
- The Plasma Grenade, nuff said.
-The NT-20 diamond armor, nuff said again.
- You act like Godzilla was never a dinosaur to begin with... this confuses me.
- Fractured memory sounds more like selective to me, do yourself a favor and go watch the movie again and you might actually realize how wrong what you've just said is and why I am being especially feisty in regards to it.



HAVE A NICE DAY!

-I really should stop checking this forum when I've been drinking. :hmmm:

[SuperXAsh]

Wow...glad to see someone chose to be ignorant just for the sake of it. Let me put a few things in bullet form so you won't have to think too hard about this matchup.


-SMG is actually very agile mecha with his Garuda attachment and his strategy SOLELY consists of hovering away/around his opponents staying out of melee range.
- Kiryu Goji is WEAK to beams
-SMG has MANY BEAMS and they ARE very DANGEROUS, go look at any of the numerous threads where I have posted the damage they inflicted on Rodan and Hulk Godzilla himself.
- Kiryu on the other hand has mostly ineffectual weaponry that is barely above normal military standards save the AZC.
- So a necessary member of the crew needed to fire the G-Crusher the most efficiently is outside interference? It's not...that is a stupid idea and there are no other words for it.
-Any idea that Kiryu Goji was holding back against Kiryu is just...ugh.
- Making a claim that one goji doesn't have a second brain just because you feel it was bullshit does not qualify as evidence or an effective argument.
- You forgot to mention how the hell Kiryu Goji will be able to withstand an assault that makes Kiryu look pathetic by example.
- The Plasma Grenade, nuff said.
-The NT-20 diamond armor, nuff said again.
- You act like Godzilla was never a dinosaur to begin with... this confuses me.
- Fractured memory sounds more like selective to me, do yourself a favor and go watch the movie again and you might actually realize how wrong what you've just said is and why I am being especially feisty in regards to it.



HAVE A NICE DAY!

-I really should stop checking this forum when I've been drinking. :hmmm:

Wow, you're a real class act Spacehunter. I guess you decided being civil or just pointing out where my fuzzy memory (from the whopping ONE time I've seen SuperMechaGodzilla's movie like ten years) is wrong is just too subtle and decided being a total jerkwad made for a better/smarter strategy. Because having to actually articulate an argument or actually THINK before you respond must take too much brain power.

Oh wait... I'm sorry... you're drinking, totally excuses you for being a complete jerkass. :sarcasm:

Also sorry that I don't have EVERY Godzilla movie readily available for viewing whenever I wish. Specially since Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II is kinda harder to find than the others in my part of the country. Also sorry that Toho never brought up the "secondary brain" plot device ever again. e_e

Hope you have a wonderful hangover in the morning M. Cheers.

[SpaceHunterM]

Hope you have a wonderful hangover in the morning M. Cheers.


Why thank you and I do.

[Angirus7899]

while i see the point of SuperXAsh with the second brain theory i have to say that SMG is sure to win this. while i think kiryu in my mind is the better Mecha Goji Kiryu wont be able to harm SMG that much due to his armor. so i must say SMG wins.


But that doesnt give SHM the right to be a stupid jackass because someone brings up a valid point. if your gonna do that because your drinkin stay off the damn site because its not right for you to be a jackass because someone hasnt seen a movie in a long time.

with that being said Edge SMG(who loses next round to the Future Champion GODZILLA GMK BWAHAHAHAHA)

[Super Angillas]

Uh, you do realize that all the arguements that apply to SMG beating this Goji also apply to GMK Goji right? It's not like GMK Goji has any inherintly different abilities or powers that will help him. Yeah his hide is tough but, eventually it will break from the beam barrage. And he still isn't fast enough to get into melee readilly.

[Orga777]

with that being said Edge SMG(who loses next round to the Future Champion GODZILLA GMK BWAHAHAHAHA)


Only if the Dice Gods say so. Because, really, GMK Goji has a very large up-hill battle against SMG.