01. Rainbow Mothra vs. Godzilla (GMK)

[Battle Master]

Rainbow Mothra (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21116)
vs.
Godzilla (GMK) (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21142)
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Battlefield: Peking (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333117&postcount=31)

[The Great MM]

This would be a neat match... I REALLY want to see GMK Godzilla win... but I can see either of them winning. Rainbow is gonna' be hurting if he's hit by the beam...

Abstain, for now.

[Seer235]

Whether or not Mothra has the shield is somewhat dubious (might have been help from Nilai Kanai), and GMK has rather good aim at flying targets. Mothra has her work cut out for her.

[Super Angillas]

I think Rainbow Mothra is a bit more durable than GMK Mothra. Please note how much damage Leo took from GKG before he finnally stayed down. However this Mothra doesn't seem to be as adept at dodging. However RM has far more weaponry than GMK Mothra. Hard to say right now.

[Husnock]

It boils down to oodles of markedly powerful beams against one ultra-powerful beam. And I don't know how to judge this yet, so I'll wait for more opinions.

[SpaceHunterM]

Like I've said before, I am NOT as extremely impressed with GMK Godzilla's beam as most of the rest of you so for now...


Leaning Rainbow Mothra.

[Orga777]

Lets look at it this way. Rainbow Mothra fails at dodging. GMK Godzilla has good enough aim to exploit that weakness. Rainbow Mothra, while the most durable of Mothra's, will still have many problems taking GMK Godzilla's beam. Yes, she tanks quite a few hits from Grand King Ghidorah, but his Gravity Beams and Goji's Atomic Beam are completely different attacks.

While the Gravity Beams rip and tear into opponents, GMK Godzilla's beam has a whole lot more force to the beam and has explosive power behind the shots that is lacking in the attacks associated with Gravity beams.

Now, Mothra's weaponry is incredible. But, it will be like attacking Death Ghidorah in this case. It is going to take A LOT to do significant damage. The difference being that GMK Godzilla knows how to attack when he needs to while Death Ghidorah does not.

I am going with GMK Godzilla on this one. Beam power and durability are the key reasons.

[Seer235]

Here is a gif I made of GMK's beam some time ago:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Seer235/GMK-beam.gif

The "many explosions all over" is a common effect of his beam.

[Godzillakamper]

Well I've never actualy seen Rainbow Mothra in action so I supose I should just abstain but I don't like doing that haha and honestly I have a feeling that either way GMKs beam will go through Skitles Mothra like CRAP through a goose.:darklord:

[Hybrid Gojira]

I almost think Mothra's constant beam spamming is enough to beat Godzilla. Probably an abstain for me.

[Excelsior]

The finale of their previous DD encounter is, and shall always remain, my favorite DD memory (only narrowly edging out Grand King Ghidorah's mind-controlling, 9 hit pimpslap of one of the Rodans).

GMK Goji for me.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Rainbow Mothra obliterates GMK Godzilla. She has better beams. She's faster. She's beam-spammier. And unlike other goji's, GMK doesn't have the advantage of regen here. She's vastly more powerful than anything else that Godzilla ever fought. Mothra's chest beam, and gazillion other attacks, will finish GMk Godzilla.

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

i love how you guys think a monster (take dear rainbow mothra for example) and think they lose to a lesser opponent (hesie goji) but will beat a better opponent (gmk goji). anyway, i think gmk has it in the bag, rainbow morthra's destruction of the gmk movie cast is over.

[Seer235]

Wait, did Rainbow Mothra actually face all the GMK guardians?

[Husnock]

Wait, did Rainbow Mothra actually face all the GMK guardians?

Amazingly, yes. Baragon in Round 1, then KG and Mothra at the same time in Round 2.

Can't believe I didn't realize that 'til VBA pointed it out... :crazy:

[Seer235]

Well, I guess Mothra and GMK have something in common then. The hideous slaughter of chicken ghidorah, Waspra, and poor poor Baragon.

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

you do realises that that was only half the point in the post. but anyway, the skittles moth's rain of terror on the gmk guys is over cause i'm 100% sure gmk goji will take this. if you think hesie goji can take on raibow mothra but gmk cant, ur not thinking straight,

[Super Angillas]

Actually, I do think that. GMK Goji doesn't have Regen, and if wounded they stay. Still a bit of an if, but I've never felt the GMK gang to be as impressive as some.

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

Actually, I do think that. GMK Goji doesn't have Regen, and if wounded they stay. Still a bit of an if, but I've never felt the GMK gang to be as impressive as some.

he doesn't have regen? fine whatever, he has thick skin and a killer beam. rainbow mothra just has its fancy beams. i don't think gmk is helpless here.

[SpaceHunterM]

I'm kind of curious as to what has convinced VBA that GMK Goji is so much more powerful than the his Hiesei counterpart... and that capital letters are optional when constructing a sentence.

[Godzillakamper]

I'm kind of curious what has convinced VBA that GMK Goji is so much more powerful than the his Hiesei counterpart... and that capital letters are optional when constructing a sentence.
I'm convinced he's about 9 years old.

[The Great MM]

I'm kind of curious as to what has convinced VBA that GMK Goji is so much more powerful than the his Hiesei counterpart... and that capital letters are optional when constructing a sentence.

Platypuses.

That's what.

[Husnock]

I'm convinced he's about 9 years old.

*High-five's Kamper*

OOOH, BURN!!!

[Orga777]

Rainbow Mothra obliterates GMK Godzilla. She has better beams. She's faster. She's beam-spammier. And unlike other goji's, GMK doesn't have the advantage of regen here. She's vastly more powerful than anything else that Godzilla ever fought. Mothra's chest beam, and gazillion other attacks, will finish GMk Godzilla.

Um... I like how you completely ignore the fact that GMK Godzilla has probably the best defenses of any Godzilla with the only possible exception being GFW Godzilla. It takes a lot to get through that damn hard hide of his and Mothra, while she has a lot of powerful beams, are not going to be enough to do it fast enough before she is hit with a beam that will take her down instantly. Regen is the most over-hyped ability on this board. It is helpful, but in this case, I would take superior hide durability over regeneration any day. It can take the beam shots a lot better after all.

GMK Godzilla's beam has significantly more kinetic energy behind it than any other beam she has EVER faced against and has significantly more explosive power over Death Ghidorah, GKG, and even Dagarah. Rainbow Mothra doesn't like to dodge, so her speed is pointless here because she WILL be hit by any beams GMK Godzilla shoots off, one of which will bring her straight to the ground where he will probably shoot off another beam. Only difference being that there will be no other Mothra in the area to get in the way like GMK Mothra did for GMK Ghidorah.

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

*High-five's Kamper*

OOOH, BURN!!!

don't say another ******* word. up until now, I've been polite. if you say anything else-one word- i will kill myself. and when my tainted spirit finds its destination, i will topple the master of that dark place. from my black throne, i will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you two this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. when it begins you will hear the sound of children screaming as though from a great distance. a smoking orb of nothing will grow above your beds, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. as i slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. then as tears of bubbling pitch steam down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open one of my six mouths, and i will sing the song that ends earth.


anyways, i'm glad i'm not the only one hear now that has faith in gmk goji.

[BS Digital Q]

*High-five's Kamper*

OOOH, BURN!!!Seconded. :darklord:

[Orga777]

don't say another ******* word. up until now, I've been polite. if you say anything else-one word- i will kill myself. and when my tainted spirit finds its destination, i will topple the master of that dark place. from my black throne, i will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you two this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. when it begins you will hear the sound of children screaming as though from a great distance. a smoking orb of nothing will grow above your beds, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. as i slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. then as tears of bubbling pitch steam down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open one of my six mouths, and i will sing the song that ends earth.


anyways, i'm glad i'm not the only one hear now that has faith in gmk goji.

.........................................What?

[Hybrid Gojira]

you don't realise that the entire first statement was a joke i coppied off of that i felt would be appropriat to the situation. also im not 9. im in middle school. and i don;t really feel like capitalizing. its not the end of the world if i dont capitalize very sentence.

Well, I've never really been a mod in the DD, but...

@Kamper: You know, not too long ago I would've said similar things about you which you currently claim about VBA. I think you need to reference the pot and kettle, or at least a mirror.

@VBA: You may not care about punctuation but I will tell you that you'll find yourself being ignored when you post if you keep acting they way you currently are. If you're in middle school you're fully capable of spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Saying you don't care is downright disrespectful to everyone else.

@Both: Knock it off. NOW.

Sincerely,

Hybrid Gojira and probably everyone else in the KP Forum.

[Super Angillas]

Can we please get back to cold hard facts? Okay I don't have a copy of GMK right now. Or a decent internet connection. Can anyone refresh my memory about how strong GMK Ghidorah's beams were, and how well GMK Goji handled them?

[The Great MM]

Can we please get back to cold hard facts? Okay I don't have a copy of GMK right now. Or a decent internet connection. Can anyone refresh my memory about how strong GMK Ghidorah's beams were, and how well GMK Goji handled them?

You can't.

GMK Ghidorah's bolts don't do ANYTHING beyond get absorbed. When they miss and hit the water, they make a splash. That's it.

Really, you can't make any type of reasonable guess on how strong GMK Ghidorah's bolts are. They're best off just ignored and forgotten 'cause the only way he can even get them is via a power-up that is pretty much impossible to achieve in a standard kaiju match up.

[Seer235]

While I completely agree with what Hybrid said, I can't help but add in a bit of good-natured joshing:

Lol. This could be end up being the first instance where Orga loses a debate because of someone supporting him.

Maybe now Orga will understand how we all feel when he jumps in to "help out" :p

[SpaceHunterM]

While I completely agree with what Hybrid said, I can't help but add in a bit of good-natured joshing:



Maybe now Orga will understand how we all feel when he jumps in to "help out" :p

Aye. ;)

btw

How sad is it that THIS thread has easily been the most active debate thread since the first round and there's very little actual debate in it. :laugh:

[Godzillakamper]

To be honest neither match at the moment draw my attention.:(

[VaranBaragonAnguirus]

these matches are mostly straight foward. its easy to see gmk goji and smg making it to the finals.

[Orga777]

That whole.... thing has been deleted for being completely useless...

Anyway, if people want to argue something, go back to my last real post. I still see GMK Goji taking this from Mothra.

[Angirus7899]

ok first off VBA has gone looney. Second off The only reason GMK Goji died in the movie was by a missile that was shot from inside his body. on the outside nothing harmed Goji not mothra's needle shots not baragon's bite not even ghidorah's electric bite or electric beam. while RM is a beast in mothra sense his beams will not hurt Goji that much on the other hand when GMK Goji hits RM with that powerful beam RM will become another pile of pulpy flesh and ash.


Edge GODZILLA GMK THE NEXT CHAMPION

[Super Angillas]

You can't.

GMK Ghidorah's bolts don't do ANYTHING beyond get absorbed. When they miss and hit the water, they make a splash. That's it.

Really, you can't make any type of reasonable guess on how strong GMK Ghidorah's bolts are. They're best off just ignored and forgotten 'cause the only way he can even get them is via a power-up that is pretty much impossible to achieve in a standard kaiju match up.

Well I'm trying to figure out how well GMK Goji handles beams, that's all.

The only reason GMK Goji wasn't beaten by King Ghidorah before they had to missile him from the inside is because he totally BS's out the ability to absorb KG's beams, instead of losing like he should have. I honestl think too many people on this board over rate GMK Goji.
****, my dislike for GMK Goji is getting out of control again. If it keeps up I may have to sit this one out.

[The Great MM]

Well I'm trying to figure out how well GMK Goji handles beams, that's all.


You can't. I wouldn't put it past him that he could absorb Rainbow's beams like he did Ghidorah's bolts, but it's not something that I'd actually debate.

[Super Angillas]

You can't. I wouldn't put it past him that he could absorb Rainbow's beams like he did Ghidorah's bolts, but it's not something that I'd actually debate.

Another reason I don't like that. I think for purposes of the DD, we'd best assume he can't just asorb his foes beams automatically. Otherwise he suddenly boosts up to a rediculously broken level. Even with SMG, who has absorbing Godzilla's beam for one of his explicity stated powers, we assume that at least some beams he just can't absorb. To make matters even more confusing, at first KG's beams were hurting Goji. Then the script just suddenly decided that Goji could absorb them. Was Kaneko even trying? But unless we want 99% percent of GMK Goji's fights to end with "He just absorbs their beam and supercharges his own to blow them up", we'd best assume he can't automatically do it.

[Orga777]

Well I'm trying to figure out how well GMK Goji handles beams, that's all.

Considering GMK Godzilla being caught in the the massive nastiness that is the Spirit Bomb, and it only took out a very tiny piece of outer flesh, I am going to make a safe bet that he can take beams fine.

The only reason GMK Goji wasn't beaten by King Ghidorah before they had to missile him from the inside is because he totally BS's out the ability to absorb KG's beams, instead of losing like he should have. I honestl think too many people on this board over rate GMK Goji.
****, my dislike for GMK Goji is getting out of control again. If it keeps up I may have to sit this one out.

His body seemed to adapt to Ghidorah's bolts in order to absorb them. It may have something to do with building up a type of immunity, or it may have something to do with the mystical energies being absorbed. Who really knows.

[Super Angillas]

It's called BS. I don't like it, but that's what it is. If we operate under the assumption that he can just do it whenever, then we might as well go back to assuming that it's impossible to beat Hedorah without drying it out electrically, and that Dragma's impenetrable skin means nothing can harm it. While we're at it, let's assume Mothra will use he consistantly seen power to pull another form out her ***. Let's call it Holy Mothra. I will assume that it will give her the power to redirect GMK Goji's beams back at him with ten times the force, and a finishing attack, Holy Light Bomb that will compleatly vaporize him, and purify the evil spirts within him. It has three times the evidiance for it happening that GMK randomly spouting the ability to absorb beams that were clearly hurting him does.

[Orga777]

It's called BS. I don't like it, but that's what it is. If we operate under the assumption that he can just do it whenever, then we might as well go back to assuming that it's impossible to beat Hedorah without drying it out electrically, and that Dragma's impenetrable skin means nothing can harm it. While we're at it, let's assume Mothra will use he consistantly seen power to pull another form out her ***. Let's call it Holy Mothra. I will assume that it will give her the power to redirect GMK Goji's beams back at him with ten times the force, and a finishing attack, Holy Light Bomb that will compleatly vaporize him, and purify the evil spirts within him. It has three times the evidiance for it happening that GMK randomly spouting the ability to absorb beams that were clearly hurting him does.

I didn't say to account for the beam absorption now did I? Just bringing out what possibly happened. I also don't think the beams were hurting him THAT much either. The Electric Bite may have knocked him over, but it did little to nothing except stun GMK Godzilla for a couple seconds.

[Super Angillas]

Admitidly GMK Goji's hide does make him a tough nut to crack. Course once you crack it right, he takes himself out, LOL. That said not a lot of Kaiju can crack it too well. Too bad it's not a water stage. Mothra could go inside him with the Mini Moths like she did Dagarah. I don' think GMK Goji's beam is quite as kill all as some do, although it looks impressive. Rainbow Mothra has a lot of tricks. The thing I've got to figure out is if any of them will help her or not. GMK Goji on the other hand doesn't have as much going for him. A strong beam, and tough skin. They are however very good. I still think he's weaker than Hesei Goji overall, but that's just my opinion.

[Orga777]

Admitidly GMK Goji's hide does make him a tough nut to crack. Course once you crack it right, he takes himself out, LOL.

Not really. First off, it has to be in the neck/shoulder area to get a similar effect to what happened to GNK Godzilla to happen again. Second, not only do you have to get through the hard out layer, you then have to break through the flesh underneath. Not easy for ANY kaiju to pin point accurately if it is only a very miniscule size. Third, GMK Godzilla protects himself from anything like that happening to himself with his precognitive-like abilities he gains making it that much harder.

I still think he's weaker than Hesei Goji overall, but that's just my opinion.

And I would disagree vehemently with you. All Heisei Godzilla has over GMK Godzilla is regeneration. Which we have seen be overwhelmed before. GMK Godzilla has stronger skin which is less susceptible to injury, a much more powerful beam, just as much endurance, and is pretty close to his strength.

[SpaceHunterM]

Not really. First off, it has to be in the neck/shoulder area to get a similar effect to what happened to GNK Godzilla to happen again. Second, not only do you have to get through the hard out layer, you then have to break through the flesh underneath. Not easy for ANY kaiju to pin point accurately if it is only a very miniscule size. Third, GMK Godzilla protects himself from anything like that happening to himself with his precognitive-like abilities he gains making it that much harder.

Ignoring that those precognitive abilities are nonexistent and wouldn't help him in a straight up battle if they were. I wouldn't put it past GMK to suffer the KABOOM if he had a deep enough chest wound as well. In the end I guess it depends where you feel the atomic breath starts in his body. I should note that unless Goji decides to chomp down on GMK's neck I coudln'tt see the match ending that way.



And I would disagree vehemently with you. All Heisei Godzilla has over GMK Godzilla is regeneration. Which we have seen be overwhelmed before. GMK Godzilla has stronger skin which is less susceptible to injury, a much more powerful beam, just as much endurance, and is pretty close to his strength.

You forgot pure strength, the pulse, GMK Goji doesn't consistently beam enough to overwhelm the regeneration, and that the beam difference goes in the other direction once Heisei he absorbs enough radiation... which he could considering his opponent. In a match between GMK and Heisei there really isn't much the Zombie keeps in his favor as the match goes on.

[EternalMothra]

Wow, I came back just in time to see Mothra lose another DD tournament. Haven't I seen this happen only several times?

[Hybrid Gojira]

First off, I agree that GMK Goji might be able to absorb beam attacks, but there are too many variables to prove it. If he can, then this particular Godzilla has the ability to become so uber-powerful it would be worth considering his ban from the DD, because even GFW Godzilla could potentially lose to him then.

Think about this - in his fight with MG, Godzilla will use his beam, which MG will direct into his own beam, and then fire it upon Godzilla who then...absorbs it and shoots again.

Whether or not Godzilla can absorb all beams, some, or ones which are "spiritual" is up in the air. For what it is worth, doesn't Mothra draw his power from the Earth? Maybe one could consider those spiritual beams...I mean who knows?

For my part, I'll view this fight from a straight forward position as if Godzilla cannot absorb Mothra's beams. Despite the fact Godzilla has armor-like skin, is it really fair to think Mothra cannot inflict damage because he wasn't hurt by the spirit ball? He sure didn't seem to like the electric bites...

Mothra has so many beams and spams at such a constant pace I personally think he can win this fight.

[Super Angillas]

Wow, I came back just in time to see Mothra lose another DD tournament. Haven't I seen this happen only several times?

Well, the Dice Gods could always throw us for a loop. The fight might have GMK Goji roll a critical miss, and Mothra roll the GMK effect and get thee wounds on him in the first round. Improbable, but not impossible.

[The Great MM]

because even GFW Godzilla could potentially lose to him then.

Yes. Because GF-Freakin'-W Godzilla is totally unbeatable. He could take on every kaiju by himself and win. Him and his incredible mediocrity in almost every category.

[Orga777]

Ignoring that those precognitive abilities are nonexistent and wouldn't help him in a straight up battle if they were. I wouldn't put it past GMK to suffer the KABOOM if he had a deep enough chest wound as well. In the end I guess it depends where you feel the atomic breath starts in his body. I should note that unless Goji decides to chomp down on GMK's neck I coudln'tt see the match ending that way.

Oh no. GMK Godzilla sees through things before they happen. Like seeing a tiny *** torpedo going towards him while he was busy dealing with GMK Ghidorah at the same time. Also, Mothra couldn't get behind him again for the rest of the fight because Goji knew it was coming.

You forgot pure strength,

Both of them are very close to that category. Heisei Godzilla tosses kaiju around. GMK Godzilla plows through mountainsides like they are made out of paper mache. Heisei godzilla may have higher strength in hand to hand, but it isn't so significantly different that it would matter much.

the pulse,

Irrelevant since GMK Godzilla is not a grappler. The Pulse would not come into play against him at all.

GMK Goji doesn't consistently beam enough to overwhelm the regeneration,

The difference is that GMK Godzilla's beam is pretty much better at pounding into kaiju than almost every beam in the Heisei Era short of the Plasma Grenade or the SGMs. Not only does it have high explosive force, but it also has quite a bit of concussive energy behind the beam.

and that the beam difference goes in the other direction once Heisei he absorbs enough radiation... which he could considering his opponent. In a match between GMK and Heisei there really isn't much the Zombie keeps in his favor as the match goes on.

It would take way too long for Heisei Godzilla to gain that power-up. Time that he would not have against the type of beams shot off by GMK Godzilla. Sorry to say, but Heisei godzilla is just ill equipped to fight a Godzilla with comparable endurance and better overall defenses.

[Raptor]

Maybe now Orga will understand how we all feel when he jumps in to "help out" :pThanks to Orga for deleting most of the OFF TOPIC kiddie crap.

The DD may have slowed down but it is NOT going to turn into Topix. :evilglow:

[Tomzilla]

In terms of firepower, Mothra has the advantage. Not all of his beams pack the explosive punch that put Death Ghidorah in his place. But what they make up for in quality (don't get me wrong, they are still pretty dang potent), they make up for in numbers.

Godzilla's durable enough to take some serious hits. Ghidorah's Spirit Fireball inflicted a superficial wound at best (which was made worse by the drill missile). Mothra isn't going to be shooting holes through his flesh anytime soon. But that doesn't mean he won't react negatively to them. He'll certainly lose ground and his footing. He'll even be overwhelmed.

But his Atomic Breath makes up for it. This Godzilla's energy attack lies somewhere between Dagahra and Grand King Ghidorah's projectiles in terms of firepower. So it'd be in Mothra's best interest to avoid getting hit by it. While Mothra is a fast flier, his agility is sorely lacking. And this Godzilla's aim is very good. Luckily, Mothra isn't made of paper. So he'll be taking a few hits here and there long enough to retaliate.

When they fight up close, Godzilla has the edge. Mothra is way stronger than him (knocking Death Ghidorah and Dagahra out of the sky for instance). But strength matters little when your opponent is strong in their own right and--oh!--actually has arms and claws to control the outcome of the fight. But Mothra has a trick up his wings: paralyzing pollen. Godzilla can't resist it. But like his shield, Mothra rarely uses it.

So like most of these fights, it comes down to stamina. And that's where I'm undecided. You can't engage powerful tanks while spewing dozens of beams every minute without having great stamina. You can't fight for hours against multiple foes while showing no sign of fatigue without great stamina.

Which brings me to the outcome of the fight. I'll first give my two cents about Godzilla absorbing beams: it's a valid feat. It happened. But it won't happen right away. But that's why it's so important to take this Godzilla down in the beginning. Whereas Heisei Godzilla becomes stronger the longer he fights, GMK simply adapts the longer he fights. While Mothra is certainly powerful enough to lay the smack-down (this reason is valid for the Mothra supporters), I believe Godzilla's stamina will not only save him but ultimately lead to Mothra's downfall. This basically ends with Godzilla lasting long enough to absorb Mothra's energy attacks, use it to amplify his ray, and incinerate the winged deity.

Winner: Godzilla

Loser: Mothra