View Full Version : Showa MechaGodzilla (I) vs. Showa Hedorah vs. Showa King Ghidorah vs. Showa Gigan
August 28th, 2011, 05:55 PM
It's an all out showa villain brawl. The greatest foes of Godzilla during the showa era meet to find out which monster is the deadliest. They come equipped with all their respective powers and weaknesses, and are scaled according to their appearances. The battlefield is Tokyo, and there will be no outside interference.
These, I think, are the four most prominent and deadliest of Godzilla's foes in the showa era, and gave the big G more than just another prehistoric earth-based monster to fight. These are wonky, extremely well armed space monsters and mutated aberrations that really gave the Big G a life and death struggle.
Since this is an all-out brawl, I gotta give my early lean towards MechaGodzilla. From memories of their appearances, I know that MG has the firepower and brutality needed to really dish out some pain, which is an aspect that I think is maybe a little lacking on his other peers. To be honest, it'll be really close. Would Ghidorah's gravity beams be able to affect Hedorah adversely? Would Hedorah be able to corrode space titanium? Would Gigan be able to buzzsaw Ghidorah's necks off? Would MG's barrier hold off (and even splatter spread) Hedorah's liquid based attacks? Questions abound in this all out matchup, but I alone certainly wouldn't entertain myself in answering them. Who do you guys think will survive?
August 29th, 2011, 07:36 AM
Well, my vote here goes for Hedorah.
If this was a 1 on 1 fight, my opinion migth ahve been different. But in an all-out big battle the deciding factor would probably be how resilient a kaiju is.
And here is where Hedorah has the upper hand. Sure, it can fly and change forms at will and such versatility is usefull in any combat. But his winnig traitt here is his resistance to almost everything and his ability to shrug off damage. It can even divide itself ans survive as each.
By the end of the fight Mechagodzilla, King Ghidorah and Gignan would have all damaged/injured one another immensly, while Hedorah is the one Kaiju in this group that can really take a big beating and them come back as if nothing happened.
Hedorah would take some damage but still overall "wait the fight out". Call it a victory through attrition if you want.
August 29th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Yeah I'd go Hedorah myself. Even as powerful and well equipped as Mecha-Godzilla is it just doesn't have the type of weaponry necessary to injure a being like Hedorah in the long run. It took prolonged exposure to electricity to even really harm Hedorah. Though to be honest I'm not sure what Hedorah can really do to damage MechaG either as Mecha has a force field but then again he doesn't seem like he can attack when he's using it either.
August 29th, 2011, 05:02 PM
I think this match would go to either Hedorah or Mechagodzilla. Hedorah, as has been said already, is incredibly resilient. Say what you will about the quality of Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster, Hedorah was a really good opponent for Godzilla, mainly because of how damned hard it was to hurt Hedorah. Godzilla could barely touch him, and his atomic breath wasn't as effective as it usually is against him, and then there's the fact Hedorah could just go all UFO and fly away.
On the other hand, Mechagodzilla has a distinct advantage in this fight for an entirely different reason. One of the criticsms that pop up fairly often in the DD Tournaments is that Mechagodzilla doesn't aim. He just fires everything in the general direction of his opponent, often doing more damage to the enviornment than to his enemy. Which looks impressive, but for a super-advanced space robot, isn't exactly efficent. This isn't as much of a problem in this fight, because he has three targets to hit, and if he can line 'em up right, he could get Ghidorah, Gigan, and Hedorah in a wave of missiles and lasers. MG, like Hedorah, is also plenty durable (what with being made of metal and all), and has that shield. MG has the ability to take what's being thrown at him and dish out a WHOLE lot more in return.
Ghidorah has a chance here, but he'd have to get lucky with his Gravity Beams and take out Gigan and splatter Hedorah across the countryside. And even then, he has to deal with MG's shield, which could deflect the beams.
Gigan, on the other hand, is pretty much screwed. His hooks and buzzsaw are really all but useless on anyone besides Ghidorah, because MG's made out of Space Titanium (which doesn't exactly cut easily), and Hedorah doesn't really have anything to slice into. It'd be like sticking a chainsaw in a vat of tar. Even if he gets lucky and takes out Ghidorah, he has no way to fight Mechagodzilla or Hedorah.
So, it's really just between those two. And this'd be a close one. I think it really comes down to whether MG and his missiles and lasers can do lasting damage to Hedorah and if Space Titanium can stand up to Hedorah's corrosive sludge (and the shield, for that matter). But I like both of these kaiju, so I'm happy no matter who wins between the two. :D
August 29th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Well, Gigan is either dead, or runs away after the first barrage starts. He is a complete non-factor. So that automatically narrows the field down to three.
Now, at first glance, Mecha-Godzilla would have the edge in firepower. I would want to agree with MF that he shouldn't need to aim against three opponents, but he couldn't really hit TWO targets standing next to each other when it was Goji and Seesar in AoA. Also, his durability is NOT that good. He sparks and reacts violently when hit by Showa Godzilla's not very impressive beam. Although, this version still has better durability than he does in ToMG. The shield is a non factor as well. It is open at the top and both his opponents can fly and shoot beams, and it takes way too long to start up. He also doesn't do anything while it is up, so it isn't even a good option.
Now, King Ghidorah has durability and size advantage as well as three sets of beams. Weak alone, but he shoots off tons of them at times, which can overwhelm people... problem though. He is an idiot. Probably the dumbest one here besides Gigan. He never uses his flight to his advantage, even if surrounded by enemies that are landlocked and with limited beam attacks. He will do what he always does. Land right in the middle roar, flail his heads around and move slowly toward his foes... Mecha-Godzilla and Hedorah will tear him a new one when he does that. MG doesn't aim while in AoA, but when he uses his weapons individually, he has pin-point accuracy, and his weapons are deadly. Hedorah will not be hurt at all by his beams and will dominate him up close, so KG is at a disadvantage here, but since this is a melee, he can take up a distraction and result in a defeat of one of the other two kaiju.
Hedorah is more well rounded foe with deadly weaponry of his own. Not all of his sludge is dangerous though, and I don't know how much it would matter against MG who is not much of a physical threat and prefers long range. He can negate heat beams, but I believe if the beam is strong enough, it will blast him apart. He doesn't have the durability needed to go against Mecha-Godzilla's finger missiles or Eye Lasers. Hell, Chest laser too for that matter. But if he can get close, I can see him eroding Mecha-Godzilla's inner wires with even a little bit of sludge.
Personally, this comes down to King Ghidorah. He cannot win the fight, but he is the added variable that changes this match. Does he go after Hedorah, giving Mecha-Godzilla ample time to blast him apart? Or will he go against MG giving Hedorah time to take them both out. One on one, I would take Mecha-Godzilla easily, but here, I will have to slightly lean Hedorah. 6/10 I see KG going after Mecha-Godzilla who resembles Godzilla leaving them both open from Hedorah's much more capable attack pattern.
August 30th, 2011, 01:59 PM
Im going with MG here. He has the firepower and physical ability to take them all apart. Not at the same time.
As for Hedorah, correct me if Im wrong, but isnt Hedorah only immune to Godzilla's ray? That would mean he's not gonna have the ability to soak up MG Space Beams or Ghidorah's electromagnetic beams. BTW, I still hold that the gravity based beams is a leftover from Zone Fighter. In his debut movie, he was pretty solidly electro-magnetic based. Thats mostly the reason he was able to hurt Godzilla with those beams, as it was established that Godzilla was only really vulnerable to large amounts of electricity.
That being the case, Hedorah's gonna be extra vulnerable to Ghidorah's rays. Past that, he's still gonna be vulnerable to MG's weapons. Space Rays are powerful as hell, and lets not forget his cutter beam.
Gigan is, as far as Im concerned, is a non-factor in this fight. Any of the other guys involved would take him apart.
August 31st, 2011, 01:36 PM
Well, it sounds like everyone pro-Hedorah is likening his damage resistance and his "liquid factor" to Venom. Which is a fair assumption, he is a pile of liquid schlop.
btw, does Hedorah have a regeneration factor? I think this is a key factor in this fight because though he can win through attrition, so can all the other monsters if Hedorah can't heal up from the prolonged section of the brawl.
And sure, Hedorah can divide up and change forms at will, but his capabilities and durability is far from that showcased in his final form. Doing so would not be doing him a favor in this fight, as MechaGodzilla, as stated and addressed by Orga and MF, excels in dealing damage over a wide area and dealing splash damage.
Gigan, isn't so much of a non-factor I think, sure he wouldn't hold a candle against Hedorah or even MG, but, like KG is a variable to the win between MG and Heds, Gigan is a variable to whether KG would last that long. Assuming Gigan goes for Ghidorah first while Ghidorah is simultaneously being bombarded and attacking MG due to resemblance to Goji, Gigan would be able to dish out some serious damage to KG. That buzzsaw would be ineffective against Hedorah, but it could do serious damage to Ghidorah, and his very exposed and flailing necks. His hookhands would be a great damper to KG, if only because of KG's own anatomy. Not saying Gigan would get the win, but, he certainly is a variable in it. Also, Does Showa Gigan possess the cluster ray? I know in ZF he does, but I never saw an episode. This wouldn't be too instrumental in the fight, but if he does possess it, I'd like to know how he'd treat it giving his movie behavior.
There's not much I can say about MG that hasn't been said already. He is a range BEAST. In this brawl he'll have the early edge, but what's in dispute is his position in the endgame. There's really no opponent that can take him out early, so without a doubt he'll be one of the last two standing.
KG on the other hand, I truly think would be interchangeable with Hedorah in the showdown slot of the match. If Hedorah doesn't have a regen factor, and KG's gravity/EM beams can adversely affect Heds, then he'll be against MG.
The questions remain, would Ghids be able to do lasting damage(EM vs. Grav) to Heds? Would Heds be able to weather(Regen?) the bombardment from MG while fending off Ghids' flurry of rays? Would Gigan damage Ghids enough that Hedorah, as many have said before, automatically faces off against MG?
With MG automatically in the showdown slot due to his specializations and above average durability, I gotta say, Gigan is the key factor in whether or not KG or Heds meets MG. And in both those cases, more especially in the MG vs KG possibility, MG eekes out a narrow victory. MG vs Hedorah is the more debatable outcome. That is where I'm still torn.
October 2nd, 2011, 12:57 AM
I'm leaning towards mechagodzilla in this fight but it could go either way.
Gigan I see is going down first. His durability isn't good enough to deal with the weaponary of any of these guys.
Ghidorah will be the next to go. While he was real powerful, he cannot stand up to Hedorah's near invulnerability or Mechagodzilla's weapons.
Now it comes down to either Mechagodzilla or Hedorah and both gave Godzilla a heck of a time trying to beat them. But in the end, I think Mechagodzilla will win. Unlike Godzilla, Mechagodzilla prefers long range to melee and although Hedorah's sludge has terrible effects on both organic and non organic things alike, it won't turn Mechagodzilla into a heap of scrap metal with just one hit. Hedorah may be near invulnerable, but being dehydrated by electricity and tremendous amounts of heat aren't the only ways of beating him. Tearing him apart works nicely too and Mechagodzilla's mean weaponary can do just that. Speaking of which, Hedorah's mean weakness is electricity and if the stats on Mechagodzilla are correct, then the beam he used to slice a mountain in half is an electrical weapon! This weapon alone will spell doom for Hedorah and it is the main reason why I chose to vote for MechaG.
Overall, this fight is totally uncertain and it could go either way. Gigan could hide and kill the battered winner of the three powerhouses, or Ghidorah is able to keep all of them at bay with his three heads while Gigan proves useful as a distraction or maybe Hedorah gets the better of all three opponents with his killer abilities. But I sitll see Mechagodzilla winning this in a close one. Ghidorah and Gigan cannot stand up to his weaponary and Hedorah will also surcumb to his wrath because MG has a weapon that can kill him (MG might not be the first to be caught between two kaiju because there's no alliances here and the other kaiju are just as likely to turn on each other as they are to MG).
That's my two cents. :dh2-mg3:
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