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The Great MM
May 7th, 2004, 08:26 PM
This has been a big debate from over me and Seer235, and now its time to get your opinion....
I say he can, over a time period.
Seer says no, he can't, its imposible...
so what do you all say...
May 7th, 2004, 09:35 PM
I back up Seer. Regenerating bone is impossible, no matter what. I don't care that it's a Godzilla movie, either.
The Great MM
May 7th, 2004, 10:25 PM
Quote[/b] (baragon2003 @ May 07 2004,21:35)]I back up Seer. Regenerating bone is impossible, no matter what. I don't care that it's a Godzilla movie, either.
And surviving getting your chest frozen and your atoms crushed is impossible, but he did it. The impossible factor doesn't factor with Godzilla, everyone here should know that.
May 7th, 2004, 10:31 PM
But the wound wasn't deep enough to destroy bone. Maybe fracture and break it, as it happened to his arm, but not wipe it from existance. The wound wasn't deep enough.
May 7th, 2004, 10:33 PM
<font color='#810541'>So what do we mean here by "regenerating" bone here? If you mean healing broken bones like he heals his skin, he most likely can. However, if you mean just replacing a bone he's missing (ie rib missing), then he in all probability can't.
The Great MM
May 7th, 2004, 10:39 PM
Quote[/b] (Treize Khueshranada @ May 07 2004,22:33)]So what do we mean here by "regenerating" bone here? If you mean healing broken bones like he heals his skin, he most likely can. However, if you mean just replacing a bone he's missing (ie rib missing), then he in all probability can't.
Not trying to sound stupid here, but plenty of kaiju actually regenerated bones, Showa Gyaos' foot, Reptilicus' foot, etc. What would make GXMG's bones any different, especially if he has combat effective regeneration.
May 8th, 2004, 10:13 AM
We never actually saw him regenerate a limb? He's in a different kaiju dimension?
But for all the people who know a lot about biology and that stuff, is it possible for some vertebrates to regenerate a limb? If so, how would they regenerate whole bones? An example would be it an arm gets chopped off around the shoulder, would they be able to regenerate all the hand and finger bones?
The Great MM
May 10th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Quote[/b] (Seer235 @ May 08 2004,10:13)]We never actually saw him regenerate a limb? *He's in a different kaiju dimension?
But for all the people who know a lot about biology and that stuff, is it possible for some vertebrates to regenerate a limb? *If so, how would they regenerate whole bones? *An example would be it an arm gets chopped off around the shoulder, would they be able to regenerate all the hand and finger bones?
Again, your acting like hes a normal creature. Normal creatures never could or can survive their atoms being crushed and their chest being fozen and not even get gang green, Godzilla did. Like I said before and plenty of others do, physics and biology don't make since in Godzilla series. If only Toho would state what his regeneration can do... http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/suspicious.gif
May 10th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Here's the thing...if you post your issue here you've gotta expect a reasonable degree of scientificness in the responses. If you wanted people to just give yes/no answers, you could always ask elsewhere.
Now, given the evidence and what little I know about bones...no. Goji's regeneration is at massive speed but is not in a noticable way vastly different from that of any other creature...just really quick, yeah? So if Goji got, say, missiled in the brain...reptiles can regenerate brain cells. Goji regenerates fast. Voila, Goji's gonna recuperate in time.
But as far as I know, you can't 'grow back' bones. <_< Not that I've done any research, mind.
The Great MM
May 11th, 2004, 05:28 PM
Yes lizards have fast regeneration, but no lizard can actually survive their atoms being frozena/crushed, Godzilla did. I just don't see why Toho can't give us the limits...
May 11th, 2004, 05:51 PM
The thing was, MM, is that Godzilla didn't have all of his atoms smashed. He only had a good volume smashed, but that won't hinder new cells to replace them. Second, the attack wasn't deep enough to hit the ribcage. If it had demolished the ribs, then we would've seen deformed lungs in that scene, along with the inside of Godzilla. The whole 'regnerating bones' doesn't hold water.
May 11th, 2004, 05:59 PM
I'm not even impressed with this Goji's regeneration in the slightest. He definately doesnt have combat effective regeneration from the first film. If that was Heisei or one of the first two Millenium Gojis, I think you would have atleast seen it starting to heal as he was walking away, but all of his wounds were clearly visible. He has a great deal of durability, but his regeneration IMO, is lacking compared to some of the other Gojis weve seen. Maybe my view of that will change after seeing GMMG, but that wont happen for a while yet.
May 11th, 2004, 06:33 PM
The only true extent I've noticed of regeneration is the blade going in and out of him. No wound there. I can see wound minor to that large hole in his chest being mended quickly. You're right, I too will have to judge from GMM to see how well he does from what I have heard.
May 14th, 2004, 03:54 AM
I wonder if the extreme cold hindered Godzilla's healing process. Perhaps, he didn't heal immediately because the wounds were actually frozen. Plus, it's been suggested in the past that Godzilla might have something of a vulnerability to cold, which could explain why he has a scar on his chest in the next movie, rather than healing up as good as new.
May 14th, 2004, 03:48 PM
That's a possibility, but the wound really didn't look frozen. Plus that still doesn't prove he can regenerate bone.
May 15th, 2004, 04:03 AM
Quote[/b] ]Posted on May 14 2004,15:48
That's a possibility, but the wound really didn't look frozen. Plus that still doesn't prove he can regenerate bone.- Seer235
Well, that comment of mine was meant to address the issue of whether or not Godzilla (GXMG) has combat effective regeneration.
Here's something that I've been thinking about. Can Godzilla's bones be broken? In one of Marc Cerasini's GODZILLA novels, they say that Godzilla's bones have an extremely dense molecular structure, making them possiblly the strongest material in existence, which is why they're capable of supporting Godzilla's massive weight without shattering. Now, obviously this isn't cannon as far as any of the Godzilla movies go, but it does give us something interesting to think about. Perhaps, Godzilla doesn't have to worry about regenerating bone because there's nothing that can break his bones. Heck, in the GXMG version of events, the original Godzilla's skeleton survived his exposure to the Oxygen Destroyer.
Of course, if Godzilla were to die, his bones may become less durable. They're still plenty tough, they're just not as tough as they are when Godzilla's alive. That's why Kiryu's arm was damaged at the end of GODZILLA X MECHAGODZILLA and needed to be completely replaced. The original Godzilla's bones, which were apparently built into the Kiryu robot, just weren't as strong as they were when that Godzilla was alive.
What do you think about that idea guys?
May 23rd, 2004, 12:27 PM
That is a good possibility, and would explain why Godzilla never got his bones broken in his multiple beatings. Your reasoning helps it out a lot.
However, in the chance that a limb gets lost, I don't think it's growing back.
May 23rd, 2004, 03:33 PM
If I recall, Kiryu-Godzilla did have his arm broken at the end of the movie. You'll notice that the left arm was hanging down.
May 29th, 2004, 01:37 AM
True, but I gave a bit of an explanation for that. The bones of the original Godzilla may not be quite as durible now that he's dead as they were when he was alive. due to decomposition and what not. It's like a tree that's cut down, once it dies it slowly becomes less durible for various reasons.
May 29th, 2004, 06:09 PM
I'm talking about GXMG Godzilla (Kiryu-Godzilla). His arm was a little limp at the end of the movie as he waded away.
May 31st, 2004, 12:46 PM
<font color='#FF0000'>i dont see why Goji cant regenorate bone, lizards can regenorate there tails. so why not?
May 31st, 2004, 09:02 PM
Because with those lizards who can regenerate their tails, their tails don't have bone going to the last segment. It's just cartilege which is why it does not bleed when cut off.
November 14th, 2006, 02:45 PM
I know this debate is way old, but I have something I'd like to add in anyway and bring it back to life.
We didn't see Godzilla surface immediately after the AZC was used. For all we know his wound could have been in the process of healing when he finally came up. I think from a wound that deep he would be dripping blood, and he wasn't, so that can only mean the bleeding had stopped.
Also, if you look at the damage on Kiryu, I think the AZC failed to freeze Godzilla because he damaged one of the little flaps. It's possible that some of the blast went backwards and ripped Kiryu's arm off at the same time it damaged Godzilla's chest.
November 14th, 2006, 03:45 PM
His wound would have started healing as soon as it was inflicted. All wounds (save the insta kill) do.
And as for it bleeding, it was a wound caused by freezing temperatures. I doubt it would have been bleeding in the first place. The it would be the same as an instant cauturization of the wound (just in the opposite temperature).
Though, I also have to point out, of course the AZC failed. The fact Godzilla was still around atests to that fact.
November 14th, 2006, 04:16 PM
But I think it has to have all of those little flaps there to "hold" it as it charges, to focus the beam. Without all three it looks it might have diminished its effect. Sort of like an umbrella with a section cut out. If you spray a wall while hiding behind the broken umbrella, the water is gonna splash back and some of it is gonna hit you through the cut part of the umbrella.
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