Megaguirus X Showa Gamera - Prehistoric insect against prehistoric tortoise!

[Solar_Behemoth]

Who will win? Both monsters end up in the same place, and a bloody and brutal battle ensues!

----Megaguirus is the same length as Showa Gamera

Vote and discuss!

[Monsturra-Jake]

I think I might've made a battle a while back of these two. I think Gamera Showa would win cause of his shell(I think Megaguirus has to stab the stomach to drain energies, and Gamera's shell is stronger than that stinger). Also, to add insult, Gamera can fly at Mach 3, and even though Megaguirus is more nimble, it can only go at Mach 1. It won't be a easy battle, but I think Gamera would win.

[Soundwave]

Actually, Megaguirus' max speed is Mach 5.

Megaguirus doesn't have to just drain the stomach. Any limb can be stung and drained.

However, the stinger couldn't penetrate the shell, I'm willing to bet. Gamera could just retract into his shell and bide his time until Megaguirus comes in close. Then, he could start his jets and ram her, or he could use his flamethrower.

After all, Megaguirus sacrifices defense for speed.

[Gorjirus]

Well, let me think.

I have not seen all of the Showa Gamera films, but if Showa Gamera is anything like Heisei Gamera, then his shell should be penetrated quite easily. Then it would only be a matter of time for Megaguirus to drain Gamera, which could be done quite easily by flying in behind him. Then, Megaguirus could just blast Gamera with her energy shot. And I do not believe that Showa Gamera has the best regeneration, but I may be wrong as I have not seen all of the films and might of missed an excellent case that would debunk my theory.

[spydrmanjr]

Quite easily? Gah! Why do people always assume blood=weak?

Anyways, it goes either way. If Gamera can torch Megs, she's as good as dead. If Megs can get a few drains in and fire that plasma ball, she could win. Wait, nevermind. Plasma=powering Gamera. Too bad. He would be harmed by the kinetic force, but it'd be nothing compared to the plasma energy released, which will be absorbed by him. It all depends on how much Megs drains then.

[Gorjirus]

Well, then, what does it equal?Perhaps it doesn't mean weak, it is just that everything else is stronger? But you have to admit, everytime something hits Heisei Gamer's shell, he bleeds and/or is punctured. So, I was meaning it as Megaguirus should also be able to penetrate Gamera's shell. And Megaguirus could most likely dodge most if not all of Gamera's breath.

[Soundwave]

Megaguirus' stinger actually isn't too strong. Godzilla easily bit right through it. How could it penetrate Gamera's shell?

[Gorjirus]

But we must also remeber that Godzilla has great jaw strength, so who knows how strong the actual stinger might be. And we must also remember the shape of the stinger. It is much harder to crack or break something longways (from the tip to the base) but it can be quite easy to crack/break something around the middle of it (like how Godzilla bit it). It is like trying to break an egg using only your hands by squeezing the ends. It is almost impossible because there is more area to spread out the pressure.

[MirrenDono]

While I'm leaning towards Megaguirus for this, I'm not sure yet. Gamera's fire is rather weak on kaiju, so I think it's a non-factor for his chances of winning.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Gamera's fire is rather weak on kaiju, so I think it's a non-factor for his chances of winning.

Well, I think Gamera's fire can actually be quite effective on Megaguirus. Most bug-kaiju are pretty weak against it. Megaguirus was pretty much proven to be "flammable" by the way he caught on fire by Godzilla's fiery heat beam he used against him.

[Gorjirus]

But do not forget that that was the same beam that moved a black hole, the powerful OROD. So it is no wonder that Megaguirus caught on fire. Almost any kaiju most likely would have.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Of course, the OROD only moved a black hole after it was charged up for an overly long time. If he doesn't charge it up that long, it won't have near as much power. He didn't charge it up for as long as he did when he fired at Megaguirus, so all signs point to the fact that the beam was weaker when it was used to fight megs.

[Gorjirus]

True, but it had to still be powerful to begin with. And it did take two hits to destroy Megaguirus. So it is still a very powerful beam. And even not charged, I believe that it is most likely stronger than Gamera's.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Packing more force? Yes, probably.

Packing more heat? Definately not.

[Gorjirus]

Well remember, it was the combination of force and heat that took Megaguirus down. I do not know if just one of the two will be enough to take Megaguirus down. And Gadzilla had been wearing Megaguirus down before using the beam. He was created open woulnds, which might of help the beam. I do not know if Gamera can catch Megaguirus long enough to do the same.

[Soundwave]

Gamera could always sit in his shell, biding his time...

And when Megaguirus nears, Gammy can activate the jets and spin, scorching Megaguirus.

Then, he can set back down and remain motionless. If Megaguirus wants to win, she has to attack; so she'd have to move in. Gamster could repeat the process.

[Gorjirus]

But what if she comes down right on top of him? He can't shoot flames out of the top of his shell, can he? So it would be quite easy for Megaguirus to hover right above him the whole fight, and Gamera couldn't actually do anything that damaging. And I still say that Megaguirus could pierce Gamera's shell. And does Showa Gamera have any good regeneration? As I have said, I have not seen all of the films, so I don't know for sure.

[Soundwave]

He's had his wrists impaled by saliva needles and shurikens (along with his knees/ankles), and his wrist targetted by the Sonic Cutter Beam. And he still kicked ***.

Oh, and if I remember correctly (it's been a while since I saw the movie), didn't Gamera's shell hold up under a Sonic Cutter Beam from [Showa] Gyaos? Unless, like Guiron's blade, Megaguirus' stinger is 100 times harder than diamond, there will be no stinging if he is hiding.

[Solar_Behemoth]

True, but it had to still be powerful to begin with. And it did take two hits to destroy Megaguirus.

I'd hate to say it, but Megaguirus is as weak as Kamakiras, IMHO. The only thing is, it is alot harder for opponents to get several good hits on him because of his incredible speed. Megaguirus may attack Gamera with his stinger from behind where he can't get torched, but as far as I can tell, I doubt Megaguirus' stinger could penetrate that extremely hard shell. If you have seen Gamera vs. Gyaos (1967), you would see proof of this; not even Gyaos' sonic cutter beam could get through that shell! Besides, Megaguirus would attack from the front, where Gamera can torch Megaguirus. It may take awhile, but after a few good hits, I think Megaguirus is down.

and to answer your question, no, Showa Gamera does not have that great of regeneration.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Unless, like Guiron's blade, Megaguirus' stinger is 100 times harder than diamond,

Nope, absolutely not. Megaguirus' stinger was easily bit off by Godzilla! Not a chance in hell it is even close to the hardness of a diamond. and if you look closely, you can see that the interior to the stinger is hollow!

And yes, Gamera's shell did withstand those incredibly deadly sonic cutters!

[Gorjirus]

But does he have regeneration? I haven't seen all the movie's.

And why does it have to be 100x the hardness of diamonds? That is just how strong Guiron was. How do we know that 99x won't do it? And it just has to be able to pierce the shell. It doesn't have to be super hard, just sharp. And I believe that Megaguirus is sharp AND hard enough to get the job done.

[Gorjirus]

Sorry about that. I know the regeneration question, you just answered the question before I got done.

And Megaguirus stinger has to be hollow. How else could Megaguirus drain the blood/energy? That doesn't mean that it is weak. Again, the egg example.

[Solar_Behemoth]

It doesn't have to be super hard, just sharp. And I believe that Megaguirus is sharp AND hard enough to get the job done.

A needle cannot penetrate wood just because it is sharp; it has to be hard otherwise it will break apart in the process. And again, as far as I can tell, Godzilla destroyed that stinger easily by just biting down on it. Even if Megaguirus' stinger was extremely sharp, and 100000x harder than diamond, I doubt Megaguirus could even pack enough force to enable the stinger to penetrate the shell.... it would take alot of force.

Besides, even IF Megaguirus could get that stinger into the shell and begin draining energy, I bet the intelligent Gamera will simply crawl into his shell and begin the "saucer" process and take into the air. It would be rather funny to see Megaguirus spinning around and around attached to the shell! Gamera will probably crash into something in order to get Megaguirus of his shell.

[Soundwave]

It's going to take something stronger than Megaguirus' stinger, ranking close to Guiron's knife blade, to penetrate that shell.

Megaguirus couldn't penetrate the shell with one strike. Hell, she probably couldn't at all! If she kept trying to penetrate the shell, Gamera could strike while she was busy whacking away at the shell.

[Gorjirus]

If something is sharp enough, it can cut through anything, no matter what it is made of. Though I do concede that once Megaguirus penetrates the shell, he could start spinning (maybe, he might not be able to use the plasma while he is being drained, like Godzilla when he was). And I still do not see how Gamera can strike Megaguirus when she is right behind/on top of his shell. He has no attacks that I am aware of that can hit behind him.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

If something is sharp enough, it can cut through anything, no matter what it is made of. Though I do concede that once Megaguirus penetrates the shell, he could start spinning (maybe, he might not be able to use the plasma while he is being drained, like Godzilla when he was). And I still do not see how Gamera can strike Megaguirus when she is right behind/on top of his shell. He has no attacks that I am aware of that can hit behind him.

It's not really going to matter, chances are Megs's stinger isn't going to be able to penetrate Gamera's shell. It's a lot harder than you give it credit for. The only way she's going to penetrate Gamera is from the front.

[Gorjirus]

You are probably right about Gamera's shell being harder than I give it credit for. So, thus I concede that point. But what if Megaguirus get's Gamera in the back of the head? Is that not possible?

[Solar_Behemoth]

You are probably right about Gamera's shell being harder than I give it credit for. So, thus I concede that point. But what if Megaguirus get's Gamera in the back of the head? Is that not possible?

Now THERE is way Megaguirus could win. But the chances of that happening (Megaguirus going for the head) are extremely low. The insect tends to go for the back or front since it is an easier target.

[Soundwave]

If something is sharp enough, it can cut through anything, no matter what it is made of.
So, what you're saying is the sharpest toothpick in the world could puncture a single diamond?

[Gorjirus]

Now THERE is way Megaguirus could win. But the chances of that happening (Megaguirus going for the head) are extremely low. The insect tends to go for the back or front since it is an easier target.
But if Megaguirus sees that Gamera has a shell, I think that she would realize that it would not be the easiest target. The front was the easiest place on Godzilla, so it is very possible that she would go with the back of the head.

So, what you're saying is the sharpest toothpick in the world could puncture a single diamond?
No. Because the sharpest toothpick in the world ISN'T sharp enough. But I am saying that if there was one sharp enough, it should pierce the diamond quite easily. If it was sharp enough, but I doubt that anyone would make a toothpick that sharp.

[Soundwave]

You said if you had something (not specifying anything, just saying something) sharp enough, it could pierce anything. This lead me to assume that the sharpest toothpick (which is anything) could penetrate a diamond.

Also, I remember someone saying that Gamera has nothing to attack behind him, so if Megaguirus attacked from behind while he was in his shell, he couldn't attack.

Sorry, not true. Gamera can activate the back jets, or he can lift off and tackle whatever is behind him.

[Solar_Behemoth]

But if Megaguirus sees that Gamera has a shell, I think that she would realize that it would not be the easiest target. The front was the easiest place on Godzilla, so it is very possible that she would go with the back of the head.

I strongly believe that Megaguirus would be torched and killed by the time she figures out that she can't attack with the stinger from behind because of the shell and that it is too dangerous to attack in the front because of Gamera's fiery breath.

[Gorjirus]

You said if you had something (not specifying anything, just saying something) sharp enough, it could pierce anything. This lead me to assume that the sharpest toothpick (which is anything) could penetrate a diamond.


Yes. I did say that. But, I said that the sharpest toothpick ISN'T sharp enough. It would have to be very sharp to pierce a diamond. And it doesn't exist, right now. Anything can pierce anything if sharp enough, but most objects aren't made that sharp as they would be very dangerous weapons.

Also, I remember someone saying that Gamera has nothing to attack behind him, so if Megaguirus attacked from behind while he was in his shell, he couldn't attack.

Sorry, not true. Gamera can activate the back jets, or he can lift off and tackle whatever is behind him.

No, I believe that I said that he has no attacks that could reach him. Gamera's manuverability is not that good. And with Megaguirus flying above/ behind him, I think that she has enough strength in her tail that if Gamera flew backwards, it would just push her, not tackle her. Plus, if she is draining Gamera, I do not believe that he could use his plasma jets (agian, the Godzilla example when he was drained).

And if she attacks him in the back of the head, it might actually severe his spinal chord. And with Gamera's slow/no regeneration, that would be the end of him. But that is just a theory.

[spydrmanjr]

Gorjirus, I'd like to correct you on a very big mistake you have made. It's not how sharp it is, it's how strong* the weilder is. I can break tiles with my head and hands not because how sharp they are, but because I'm strong. There are assassins who can throw needles through 1/4+ panes of glass and kill people, and these needles are just like sewing needles. People can break a tower of bricks with very little strength. It's the weilder, not the sharpness.

*Note that strong and strength shouldn't be taken literally. It could mean you're adept or know how to weild your weapon.

[Gorjirus]

Yes, but breaking and piercing are two different things. I know that no king of regular toothpick could break a diamond. That is not what I am saying. And you helped me prove my point. Those sewing needles are sharp enough to pierce the glass, but they still need the right force. My example includes using force for the 'pick to pierce the diamond. I mean, if their is no force, then the 'pick couldn't even reach the diamond. You have to have force (which through one way or another creates work, which defines strength). If something is not sharp enough, I don't think that it could pierce something. It might plow through, but that could be considered a crack/fracture/tear/rip (I think). But I consider a pierce/puncture differnent from those.

[Gorjirus]

Well, now that I have re-read my post, it seems kinda vague. I do understand what you are saying, and partly agree with it. I think that it is a combonation of strength and sharpness. But I think that Megaguirus has enough strength in her tail to pierce if not Gamera's shell, then at least his skin, if not maybe some bone or tissue... (Maybe).

And your hand still needs some sharpness to break tiles and boards. I am guessing yoiu are using the edge of your hands, correct? It would most likely be harder to try to break tiles/boards with the palm of your hand. And by using your head (and I am not calling you an egghead by any stretch of the imagination), it falls under the egg example. By using the tip (forehead), it requires more force to break the skull there, and the tiles are weaker. I believe that is part of Newton's laws about every force having an equal and opposite force (or something like that. I am out of school and forget these things over summer.)