Gamera 1999 vs Zigra

[flathead287]

Gamera 1999 vs Zigra

Deep in space, the Space Shark Kaiju, Zigra in his space ship goes to the Heisei Earth to take it over. When he arrives at Heisei Earth, he sees that everything is burned down, and the sky is black and red. All basic life on Heisei Earth is dead. Then Zigra hears a roar that sounds like the Gamera from the Showa Earth, but then realizes it is the Heisei Earth’s Gamera instead. He attacks Zigra’s space ship with his fireball and Zigra’s space ship crashes into Tokyo Harbor. Then Zigra came out of the ship and grows as big as the Heisei Earth’s Gamera. And now these two Kaijus are ready for Battle. (The battle is on both land and sea). Who will win?

[Gorjirus]

Hmm... I do not know that much about Zigra, but I think that if Showa Gamera could defeat him, then the more powerful Heisei Gamera should be able to do it as well. That might not sound like good logic, but I do not know that much about Zigra.

[Zigra]

Showa Gamera only beat Zigra with some human intervention. Without that, Heisei Gamera isn't going to fare much better. I'm going with the assumption that there will be no outside intervention in this fight.

Zigra's paralysis beam will take Heisei Gamera down in a heartbeat. Sure, Gamera won't be dead, but he'll be out for the count, and without outside intervention, he won't be able to get back up. Zigra wins by default.

[UltraGojira]

Sorry, but Gamera 1999 wins. This Gamera has dangerous weapons, and he is a serious creature! He has a serious plasma fireball that could kill Zigra (well, I'm not sure about killing Zigra in about one shot)! Zigra does have a ray to paralyze the monsters, but this Gamera stood up to Iris, and he was powerful than he was! Sorry, but there is no way Zigra is getting this win.

[UltraGojira]

Oh, and did I mention that he is better at flight? He could knock Zigra down with that speed! And what about his strong shell? I bet he can protect himself from the ray that Zigra has.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Regardless of how powerful of monsters Gamera has faced, all it takes one shot for him to be paralyzed.

And Gamera isn't into dodging. He proved that in his three movies. He loves to go in close and personal.

One beam and he's out of the fight.

Gamera Showa was paralyzed easy, and he's stood up to just as powerful kaiju as Gamera Heisei did!

[UltraGojira]

But this Gamera took a lot of punishment! Iris even stabbed Gamera that should've KILLED him, but he still kept going. Iris stabbed through his hand, and Gamera made the ultimate sacrifice, causing him to blow off his own hand, and what does he do? Kill Iris with the plasma fist after Iris tried to kill him with the plasma fireballs! Gamera was also slashed with the hyper beam from Iris, but he kept going!

You see, Zigra's ray can paralyze creatures, but, even though I'm not sure, it can not result to death. Being STABBED can result in DEATH, but Gamera still kept going, only to kill Iris!

Sorry. Zigra is powerful with his ray, but THIS Gamera never gives up!

[Aragorn_Strider22]

That still wouldn't matter, because he'd be paralyzed, he'd be unable to keep coming because he'd be unable to move.

[Zigra]

Strider is right. Zigra's beam paraylizes anything organic on a cellular level, meaning Gamera's organic shell won't do him any good.

Plus, Showa Gamera's shell didn't do him any good, and his shell is probably about as strong as Heisei Gamera's.

[Cole Deschain]

You must be joking.

Look. Let me spell it out-

Zigra can take ANY organic Kaiju out there, with the possible exception of Seesar (IF he could refelct the beam, emphasis on IF), POSSIBLY Spacegodzilla or Legion, and Armor Mothra on an outside chance.

That's about it for immediate options.

Heisei Gamera may be tough and all, but he's not exactly hard to hit- and Zigra only has to hit him ONCE. This fight is a cakewalk.

You know why we don't see Zigra much on these forums? Because he can tackle almost any living Kaiju ever made.

[UltraGojira]

Gamera also has a SERIOUS FIREBALL that wiped out everything, including the Gyaos. It even caused an explosion, sending everyone flying.

I bet most of the people, including Melkor and Saruman, will agree with me on this. I still think that Gamera 1999 is a dangerous creature.

[Cole Deschain]

He's dangerous. But Zigra will beat him. His ray seals the deal.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

He is dangerous, no one is saying he isn't.

It's just that he can't defend against Zigra's beam.

The fireball your talking about that uber fireball that wiped out a whole city block... it took about ten seconds to charge up. This would be plenty of time for Zigra to hit Gamera with a beam.

[UltraGojira]

Then, I guess it depends who fires first.

If Gamera fires his weapon first, he could win.

If Zigra fires his weapon, he could win.

That's all I can say.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Um...no, Gamera isn't going to defeat Zigra one hit, it'll take at least three hits with the fireballs, and Gamera isn't known for his accuracy. Zigra's battle proved that he isn't weak in the stamina department, he took some mean hits from Gamera.

Chances are Zigra WOULD get the first hit.

[Zigra]

Yeah, it's possible that Gamera could take this, it's just not likely. Strider already pointed out why Zigra will most likely get the chance to fire first (pretty much sealing the battle in his favor).

Then there's also the chance that the fireball won't kill Zigra in one hit. Yeah, it blew up Gyaos in one hit, but most people agree that Heisei Gyaos is much weaker than any other Gamera foe (including Showa Gyaos), and you'll also take notice of how the fireball wasn't very effective against against any other foe. Zigra's beam, on the other hand, will take Gamera down in one hit.

[Cole Deschain]

Once again- Zigra's beam covers a wide area, and is really, really easy to get a shot of quickly with.

And one stinkin' fireball isn't going to take him out- at which point Gamera has lost this match.

[Melkor]

Zigra's stun ray would be more than able to do the job here. As was mentioned before, it paralyzes anything and anyone organic on a cellular level. And Gamera, while dangerous, just wouldn't have time enough to react to Zigra's ray, at which point he'll be stunned and Zigra crowned the victor.


Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Gorjirus]

Ah. After reading this thread, I will side with Zigra. I had just forgotten taht he had the paralyzing beam . As I said, I haven't seen the movie, and it has been a long time since I read Zigra's stats.

The paralysis beam wins this for Zigra.

[Solar_Behemoth]

As much as I hate the horribly designed and campy Zigra, this is a walk in the park for him. Upon facing Gamera 1999, he'll fire his beam (which covers a LARGE range, so it won't miss) and hit Gamera, paralyzing him.

Battle set. Winner - Zigra.

[Husnock]

Is this still being debated?:dontgetit Look, Zigra was blackballed by alot of folks in the DD3 for a good reason. That being because there are only a precious few organic Kaiju could possibly stand up to that ray, and only usually because of the presence of a shield of some form (read Cole's list, but take off Seesar (that ray has an awful big radius) and add on, say, GKG and maybe Guilala, and that's about it). He would've torn through the ranks like nothing (which would've been classic, IMO, so I'm sad he didn't make it...).

Plus, Showa Gamera's shell didn't do him any good, and his shell is probably about as strong as Heisei Gamera's.Meh, Gamera '99's "shell" is hardly the piece of defensive equipment most folks make it out to be in the first place (I'm looking in your direction, Pyras...:sly: ). Give me the G2 Gammy (not that he'd fare any better here, better shell or not:p ).

[Cole Deschain]

As much as I hate the horribly designed and campy Zigra, this is a walk in the park for him.


Horribly designed? Hardly. Not unlike Barugon, he's an insanely dangerous Daiei Showa kaiju. Not his fault they made him look sorta... odd.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Horribly designed? Hardly. Not unlike Barugon, he's an insanely dangerous Daiei Showa kaiju. Not his fault they made him look sorta... odd.

Zigra is one of the worst looking monsters ever, IMHO. I'm expecting some attacks from Zigra fans for saying that, but that is just my opinion, and I think he is the most pathetic monster out there. He is powerful, but still pathetic in design.

[MasteroftheSwarm]

And what does your opinion mean exactly in this discussion? This is about Gamera vs. Zigra, not on whether or not you like Zigra's design, which doesn't have any effect on the battle. If you want to hate on Zigra(Who is better designed then a lot of Toho kaiju...) make your own topic in the University or something. Don't get me wrong, I dislike him too, he's just another specialized Barugon, who is already annoying, but this is not the place for it.

Also, why didn't Zigra make it so far in the other tournaments? You guys are making him out to be an uber gosu l337 sharpshooter that kills organic kaiju NO MATTER WHAT. If that is true, he should have gotten far in the former DD's. I'm going to check, but what stopped him?

Nevermind, I checked. Seesar and one of the unkillables.

But even if he was in the DD3, do you really think it would have mattered? If he would have faced a crowd favorite, you could bet that he would've been gone. Yes some people may vote truly, but I doubt everyone would be voting fairly if Zigra went up against, say, Godzilla Heisei.

And Cole, I suggest you add Barugon to that list, it's possible that Skittle Lizard could get a hit before Zigra reacts. Depending on what Barugon uses, Zigra could be down...
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Anyways, like people have said, it takes one shot from Zigra to stop Gamera, and probably more than one shot from Gamera to stop Zigra. The odds are in Zigra's favor, but if Gamera lets loose a volley of fireballs at the start of the battle and all three hit, that would be quite devastating to everyones' favorite shark kaiju.

[Solar_Behemoth]

And what does your opinion mean exactly in this discussion? This is about Gamera vs. Zigra, not on whether or not you like Zigra's design, which doesn't have any effect on the battle. If you want to hate on Zigra(Who is better designed then a lot of Toho kaiju...) make your own topic in the University or something.

A funny thing for you to say since your username is "Ghidorah Sucks." :laugh:

[MasteroftheSwarm]

Uh dude, what does that have to do with anything?

My name has nothing to do with anything in this argument.

[Zigra]

OT: In the first Desumatch tournament, Zigra didn't get very far because in round 1 he went up against Guilala (one of the "unkillables"). I don't know about the second tournament.

Of course, in past tournaments, crowd favoritism and fanboyism seemed to run rampant. I got the impression that people would vote mostly for the kaiju they like better, rather than the ones who were truely powerful enough to win. Needless to say, my namesake isn't exactly a "favorite" among kaiju fans, so for a very long time people underrated his power just because they didn't like him (and not just at these forums, but at any kaiju-related discussion forums). Thankfully, in the past few months, the awsome power of Zigra's paralysis beam is finally being acknowledge by people at these forums

[ALLOSAURZ]

I admit it. Zigra is one of my dirty little favorite kaiju. His movie was horrible but I ate it up. Zigra would pwn almost all kaiju except for the unkillables IMO as stated and this would be no different.