YONGARY 2000 vs. SPACEGODZILLA - ancient relic against cosmic evil

[Solar_Behemoth]

Now here is a battle that should make alot of people wonder - who will win?

Evil aliens exploring Earth uncover the fossil of Yongary, so they of course revitalize the beast and he wreaks havoc on our planet. However, Spacegodzilla happens to have his own plans on taking over the world, and is a serious threat to the aliens! You all know what happens next.

And the winner is?

---- Monsters are scaled to same size
-----Yongary has his sheild

VOTE and DISCUSS

----Edit---- Arrrggghhhh! This new board seems to have problems making polls often :nonono2: . I did everything right but it still did not post the poll with this topic. Imagine that.... :angry: :angry:

[Aragorn_Strider22]

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Godzilla Heisei got pwned by Spacegodzilla 1v1, how is Yonggary going to be able to defeat him?

[Solar_Behemoth]

Ummm... alot of people think Yongary 2000 could kick Heisei Godzilla's ***. Godzilla is a slow lumbering beam happy monster, and not an extremely smart and speedy monster like Yongary.

[Cole Deschain]

Uhm, yeah, but Spacegoji is a beast.

[Melkor]

Space Godzilla takes this. He's a juggernaut at fighting and is just the embodiment of the word beast. I really don;t see Yonggary lasting that long against Space Goji-- I mean, he will just dominate Yonggary in a brawl to the death, and he does have more than considerable firepower at his side. The way I see it, Yonggary would be utterly powerless to even leave a dent on Space Goji's hide, but he has all the time and powr in the world to inflict the nastiest of wounds on the Korean champion.

Space Godzilla wins, thanks to his nigh-unbeatable combination of attacks and defenses.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Ummm... alot of people think Yongary 2000 could kick Heisei Godzilla's ***. Godzilla is a slow lumbering beam happy monster, and not an extremely smart and speedy monster like Yongary.


No, I doubt a lot of people do. Maybe after a long hard battle, but not easily.

Even then, that doesn't put him at the power level to compete with Spacegodzilla 1v1.

[Zearatul]

Also the sheild's not going to do any good against SpaceG's gravity powers, the only chance Yongarry would have is when SpaceG slows down to inflict pain instead of damage.

[Zigra]

OVERKILL!!

Ummm... alot of people think Yongary 2000 could kick Heisei Godzilla's ***.

Yeah, a lot of delusional fanboys who, for some unfathomable reason, believe Heisei Yongary's pathetic fireballs are as powerful as Heisei Gamera's.

Yongary has nothing that can effect SpaceG's weak points. His fireballs, as I just said, are pathetic, and aren't even as powerful as ordinary missles. Spacegodzilla's weapons, on the other hand, are deadly and can easily break through Y's armor and do some serious damage. Not to mention that SpaceG is also a pretty good fighter, though a bit sluggish.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

OVERKILL!!



Yeah, a lot of delusional fanboys who, for some unfathomable reason, believe Heisei Yongary's pathetic fireballs are as powerful as Heisei Gamera's.

Yongary has nothing that can effect SpaceG's weak points. His fireballs, as I just said, are pathetic, and aren't even as powerful as ordinary missles. Spacegodzilla's weapons, on the other hand, are deadly and can easily break through Y's armor and do some serious damage. Not to mention that SpaceG is also a pretty good fighter, though a bit sluggish.

Um dude, thats a bit harsh and biased there.

Yonggarys' Fireballs aren't as weak as you say. They had some pretty good explosive power there, or did you even watch the movie? From what you've said, I wouldn't doubt that you hadn't.

And yes Yonggary's fireballs are just as effective as Gameras' Fireballs, they managed to do a lot of damage to the surrounding buildings, maybe not collapse them, but they did damage them significantly, much more than what Gamera's normal fireballs do to buildings in GOTU.

Yonggary also proved that he can take damage, he survived a blast that levelled half the city, he's not going to be killed as easily as you claim.

Yonggary doesn't lose this fight because his Fireballs are weak, or his armor is easily breakable, he loses because Spacegodzilla is a powerful kaiju.

[PyrasTerran]

And yes Yonggary's fireballs are just as effective as Gameras' Fireballs, they managed to do a lot of damage to the surrounding buildings, maybe not collapse them, but they did damage them significantly, much more than what Gamera's normal fireballs do to buildings in GOTU.

Analyzing flaw in arguement: much more than what Gamera's normal fireballs do to buildings in GOTU.

Repeating flaw: buildings in GOTU.

GOTU.

You should be looking at the hellfires from G3, not G1, in comparing Gamera's final plasma ball power.

Yonggary also proved that he can take damage, he survived a blast that levelled half the city, he's not going to be killed as easily as you claim.

A blast that didn't even knock down the skyscrapers its shockwave passed through.

Yonggary doesn't lose this fight because his Fireballs are weak, or his armor is easily breakable, he loses because Spacegodzilla is a powerful kaiju.

His armor isn't easily breakable, but, he isn't completely armored, so it makes little difference because the Corona beam can get inbetween it.

And compared to Gamera's plasma balls, Yonggary's nova balls are relatively weak.



I'm sorry if my post seems harsh at first.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

But I've never claimed Yonggary's fireballs were stronger than G3's fireballs. I don't think anyone has. I've always said that Yonggarys' fireballs were a lot more effective at what they do than G1's fireballs were.

Theres a big difference between G1's fireballs and G3's fireballs. I can't really explain it storyline wise, but G1's fireballs do a lot less damage to the surrounding buildings(which he hits a lot more often than he does Gyaos) than G3's or Yonggary's do.

[PyrasTerran]

But I've never claimed Yonggary's fireballs were stronger than G3's fireballs. I don't think anyone has. I've always said that Yonggarys' fireballs were a lot more effective at what they do than G1's fireballs were.

Theres a big difference between G1's fireballs and G3's fireballs. I can't really explain it storyline wise, but G1's fireballs do a lot less damage to the surrounding buildings(which he hits a lot more often than he does Gyaos) than G3's or Yonggary's do.

Gamera is simply more powerful in G3, but here's where the misunderstanding lies..

You were commenting on Zigra's post saying that Yonggary's novaballs are nothing compares to Heisei Gamera's plasma balls.

He's not talking about G1 Gamera, per say, he is talking about the extent of Gamera's abilities, shown in G3, so he is talking about the final Gamera, which we know has very powerful plasma balls(Zigra, if I am incorrect, I apologize).

So using a G1 example is still not the right way to go, as he wasn't even talking about G1 Gamera..

[Zigra]

Um dude, thats a bit harsh and biased there.

I apoligize for being harsh towards fanboys who deliberatly falsify and overblow information :sarcasm: :nonono2:

Yonggarys' Fireballs aren't as weak as you say. They had some pretty good explosive power there, or did you even watch the movie? From what you've said, I wouldn't doubt that you hadn't.

And yes Yonggary's fireballs are just as effective as Gameras' Fireballs, they managed to do a lot of damage to the surrounding buildings, maybe not collapse them, but they did damage them significantly, much more than what Gamera's normal fireballs do to buildings in GOTU.

Yes, I have seen the movie, and no, those fireballs aren't as powerful as you claim. The explosions caused by them seemed barely big enough to envelop those soldiers flying on the jet packs. The only signifigantly large explosion they caused that I remember was when they hit a gas tanker (Cole will back me up on this, as he and I discussed it recently).

And, as I recall, Gamera's plasma balls blew up entire buildings in G:GOTU. Compare that to Yongary, who's fireballs can't even topple a building.


Yonggary doesn't lose this fight because his Fireballs are weak, or his armor is easily breakable, he loses because Spacegodzilla is a powerful kaiju.

I didn't say Y's armor is easily breakable. It's actually the most impressive thing about him. The problem is that SpaceG's corona beam was practically made for piercing armor. Moguera's armor was suppose to be even more powerful than Super MG's, and SpaceG's beam broke through it with ease.

[Zigra]

(Zigra, if I am incorrect, I apologize).


You pretty much hit the mark. But, even if I was only talking about the G1 Gamera, AS22 is still both overrating Y's fireballs and understating Gamera's. I may be mistaken, but I recall that Gamera's stray fireballs in G1 were powerful enough to blow up entire buildings. Compare that to Yongary, who's firebals can't even seem to cause a building to topple.

[kent]

This is pretty one-sided. SG has a pretty powerful arsenal of weaponry and Younggary is built more for HTH combat. Which really is going to be very hard for him to do against an enemy like SG.

[Zigra]

Yeah, a lot of delusional fanboys who, for some unfathomable reason, believe Heisei Yongary's pathetic fireballs are as powerful as Heisei Gamera's.



OT: By the way, I sincerely apologize to anybody who might have been offended by that statement. I'm not apologizing to the specific people I was commenting about (not naming names), but I'm am sorry for anybody else who saw that statement and was taken back by it.

[HolyGoji777]

im afraid i have to agree with zigra...yongary just dont stand a chance against heisei godzilla let alone Space godzilla.

POST 700!!!!

[Tomzilla]

Space Godzilla wins, as others have stated, but I felt obligated to give my two cents on Yonggary's fireball (more like fire arrows--since they're not really balls of flame in my eyes--but we'll call them that anyways).

Truth is, they are potent. Watch the poorly made, in yet so sad it's funny, movie again. These fireballs are about on par with Heisei Godzilla's ray (blue one), in terms of destructive potential. I'll gladly sometime tomorrow or even tonight go capture pictures and post them that shows how much damage that can do to buildings (I'd rather make better comparisons than just buildings, but if that's what we all want to do then alright).

But Yonggary's fireballs do not overshadow Gamera's G3 hell-blazing ones. Not by a long shot. You are confusing Yonggary with Cykor. Cykor, on the other hand, has fireballs that are on par with G3 Gamera.

Don't discriminate monsters and they're power strengths just because of what horrible movie they were seen in. We could very well do that to Space Godzilla, since the movie he was in is sad.

[Zigra]

It seems the power level of Y's fireballs is not consistant. Whenever they hit human-sized targets the explosions they caused seemed to be not much bigger than the humans that were hit. But whenever they hit buildings they did a lot more damage. *smirks* And we thought GvsKG was an inconsistant movie.

Don't discriminate monsters and they're power strengths just because of what horrible movie they were seen in.

Oh, don't worry, that's not what's going on here. The problem is that people have been speaking of Heisei Yongary as if he's some sort of "uber-powerful", a monster that can not only beat Heisei Godzilla, but could provide Spacegodzilla with enough of a challenge to make the winner questionable. Few things could be further from the truth. At best, Heisei Yongary is average in power. He has decent defensive abilities, but his offensive abilities wouldn't do too much to phase most Heisei Toho kaiju, especially Godzilla and Spacegodzilla.

Edit: This is slightly off topic, but Yongary's fireballs being on par with Heisei Godzilla's blue breath is questionable. Let's take a look at an example from Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, shall we? In the air battle with the F-15s, Ghidorah sustained explosions that are easily comparable to the explosions that took Gamera out of the sky in G1 and G3 (keep in mind that Ghidorah is about 300 meters at full length, so an explosion that looks big on him would envelop relatively smaller monsters like Gamera), and he still kept on going like nothing happened to him. The explosions didn't even slow him down. Where am I going with this? Well, let's look at Ghidorah's battle with Godzilla. We all know how relatively easily Godzilla's breath blew apart Ghidorah, but yet we saw earlier that Ghidorah sustained a blast that may very well be as powerful as the blast yield from those patriot missles in Gamera 3 and wasn't effected by it at all. That can only mean that Godzilla's blue breath is actually more powerful than even those patriots. Do you really think Yongary's fireballs are that powerful?

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Space Goji is as people have stated a Beast.Yongary's Fireball's aren't
horribly weak but they are not as Powerful as Heisei Goji's Beam.Yongarry isn't Pathetic but he isn't uber Powerful.Yongarry's Sheild is not going to help him against Space Goji's Corona beam.If Yongarry goes up Close he could do some damage but remember what Space G did do M.O.G.E.R.A.He peirced m.o.g.e.r.a and I doubt Yongarry's Hide is Stronger Than what M.O.G.E.R.A
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[HolyGoji777]

yongary is an average kaiju. hes not supremely powerful but not incredibly weak either. while space godzilla is an Uber-Kaiju IMO. hes insanely powerful. just watch the movies and there should be no comparison.

[Tomzilla]

Zigra-


It seems the power level of Y's fireballs is not consistant. Whenever they hit human-sized targets the explosions they caused seemed to be not much bigger than the humans that were hit. But whenever they hit buildings they did a lot more damage. *smirks* And we thought GvsKG was an inconsistant movie.


So what do we make of this? When they hit bigger targets, we get a bigger explosion. Meaning in this battle, the fireballs will be packing a lot of explosive power as we’ve seen them do in the movie. While the movies are not always consistent, that doesn’t mean we immediately consider a kaiju weak by pointing at the scenes that show they’re attacks in their weakest forms. There are plenty of scenes that shows Heisei Godzilla’s ray not packing as much power as it usually would. But we don’t necessary debate about those scenes, now do we? No, what we do is assume these kaiju will be using they’re attacks in their most powerful form.


Oh, don't worry, that's not what's going on here. The problem is that people have been speaking of Heisei Yongary as if he's some sort of "uber-powerful", a monster that can not only beat Heisei Godzilla, but could provide Spacegodzilla with enough of a challenge to make the winner questionable. Few things could be further from the truth. At best, Heisei Yongary is average in power. He has decent defensive abilities, but his offensive abilities wouldn't do too much to phase most Heisei Toho kaiju, especially Godzilla and Spacegodzilla.

From the looks of it, that is what’s going on here. Heisei Yonggary is powerful in his own right and does pack the firepower necessary to give Godzilla (any version) a run for his money. In fact, Yonggary is well capable at defeating Showa, Heisei (1st version), G2K and possibly more. The potential in this ancient dinosaur is outstanding. You need to keep in mind that Yonggary is huge, around 500 ft. tall. He towers over even Heisei King Ghidorah. Compare the explosive power radius of Yonggary’s fireballs with his massive form and you’ll see those fireballs ARE powerful. In my eyes, the overrated Toho Heisei Kaiju once again gain more respect than they deserve in these battles.

I’ll tell you my opinion: I believe Heisei Yonggary is above average. His offensive and defensive powers are amazing and more powerful than you or others are giving him credit for.

Edit: This is slightly off topic, but Yongary's fireballs being on par with Heisei Godzilla's blue breath is questionable. Let's take a look at an example from Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, shall we? In the air battle with the F-15s, Ghidorah sustained explosions that are easily comparable to the explosions that took Gamera out of the sky in G1 and G3 (keep in mind that Ghidorah is about 300 meters at full length, so an explosion that looks big on him would envelop relatively smaller monsters like Gamera), and he still kept on going like nothing happened to him. The explosions didn't even slow him down. Where am I going with this? Well, let's look at Ghidorah's battle with Godzilla. We all know how relatively easily Godzilla's breath blew apart Ghidorah, but yet we saw earlier that Ghidorah sustained a blast that may very well be as powerful as the blast yield from those patriot missles in Gamera 3 and wasn't effected by it at all. That can only mean that Godzilla's blue breath is actually more powerful than even those patriots. Do you really think Yongary's fireballs are that powerful?

Yes, in fact I think they’re either that powerful or close. Allow me to explain (already gave hints above):

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/3866/YonggaryFireball_1.jpg

This picture shows Yonggary’s fireball had ripped through one building and hit another. Compare these fireballs with Yonggary’s massive size and you could easily see that they are massive.

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/6623/YonggaryFireball_2.jpg

What you see is the aftermath of one fireball’s detonation. You can easily compare and contrast the size and distance of the fighter jet with the other buildings (like for example: the fighter jet is closer towards the screen and farther away from the building—you’ll see what I mean in future pictures).

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/9540/YonggaryFireball_3.jpg

The second fireball had detonated.

http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5104/YonggaryFireball_4.jpg

Third fireball detonated. You can now compare this with the second picture that shows the fighter jet and anything else. Now the blast is closer. We can see just how big of a radius the fireballs can get and in fact, they’re capable of getting wider than even this.


As stated, Yonggary is around 500 ft. tall. The blast radius of these attacks when compared with Yonggary’s massive size is staggering. You can even compare the firepower used against him. The missiles fired at him are about as powerful as the ones used against Legion or in fact right near the Patriots in G3. Yonggary’s fireballs are still potent in my eyes. But if this debate wishes to address more than one kaiju, I’ll gladly defend even Cykor’s fireball power—which easily, as I’ve said, in Gamera’s (G3 level) area of power.

[Zigra]

Hmm, I'll have to watch the movie again (*shudders*) in order to get a better feel of what you are showing.

However, you are going wwwwwaaaayyy too far in claiming Yongary can defeat the 1st version of Heisei Godzilla or Millenium Godzilla. First of all, you're forgetting that in these battles, Yongary has been scaled down to Godzilla's size, or, in the case of this battle, Spacegodzilla's size. He's no longer 500 ft.

Second, once again people are ignoring not only what Heisei Godzilla (even before his final '91 growth spurt) can do, but also what sort of punishment he can take in return.

-When the Super X-2 reflected Godzilla's ray back at him, it reflected it at one thousand times it's original power. That's right folks, I do believe that is even more powerful than Heisei Godzilla's red spiral beam. And you know what? Godzilla withstood it with no real harm to himself. If Yongary's fireballs are on par with Godzilla's blue ray, then that only goes to show why they won't be effective against Big G, as he has taken punishement from much more powerful things.

- '84-'89 Godzilla spent five years within Mt. Mihara, in lava. Godzilla spent years, unharmed, within a substance that is much hotter than fire, and yet some people think fireballs will do harm to him? Whatever :nonono2:

- In "Godzilla vs. Biollante", the "microwave field" that was set up to raise Godzilla's body temperature created an energy field that was powerful enough to instantly vaporize a human being. For something to vaporize an organism like that, it would have to be almost as hot as the sun (or getting rather close to it). And guess what: Godzilla survived it, unharmed! That's right, Godzilla survived an energy field that would otherwise vaporize all known organic life, and yet people think a bunch of silly fireballs will do him in.

- The regeneration abilities of '84-'89 Godzilla are exactly on par with '91-'95 Godzilla. He can easily take the same sort of punishment that his larger self can.


Now, wasn't this thread actually about Yongary battling Spacegodzilla?:D

[Zigra]

Also, where did it say Heisei Yongary is 500 ft. tall? He certainly didn't look that tall when we saw him standing over those people. Right now, I'm looking at the "monster size lineup" drawing in The Official Godzilla Compendium which shows the sizes of various monsters (Heisei Godzilla, Showa Rodan, Heisei Ghidorah, etc.) compared to real-life structures like the Capitol Building. Yongary didn't look any bigger than Gigan does in this picture.

I also recall reading some stats somewhere that claimed Heisei Yongary was around 200 ft. tall.

[Tomzilla]

Zigra-

Hmm, I'll have to watch the movie again (*shudders*) in order to get a better feel of what you are showing.

My advice is to just skip all the way to where Yonggary attacks the city. I wouldn’t want to punish you by having you watch the whole thing… You’d need to be a glutton for punishment.

However, you are going wwwwwaaaayyy too far in claiming Yongary can defeat the 1st version of Heisei Godzilla or Millenium Godzilla. First of all, you're forgetting that in these battles, Yongary has been scaled down to Godzilla's size, or, in the case of this battle, Spacegodzilla's size. He's no longer 500 ft.

I’m not claiming anything; I’m simply stating that Yonggary is capable at doing so. Defeating Godzilla doesn’t necessarily mean you would need to ‘kill’ him. Hmm…I thought the rules only applied to Heisei/Showa/Millennium sizes corresponding with that of the other monsters. Like a Heisei sized monster would be reduced in size if fighting a Showa size creature. I’ll need to recheck the rules again, probably getting confused with the DD Rules, but if I’m correct then Yonggary would retain his 500 ft. size. Since he is in fact Heisei and is battling a Heisei opponent. Besides, it wouldn’t matter either way. Since if Yonggary is reduced in size, the firepower and explosive radius of his fireballs are still huge and can easily be compared with Heisei Godzilla’s own ray. They dispatched buildings as easily. (I’m trying to find an example that shows Yonggary’s fireball hitting the ground…then we can get somewhere in comparing.)

Second, once again people are ignoring not only what Heisei Godzilla (even before his final '91 growth spurt) can do, but also what sort of punishment he can take in return.

-When the Super X-2 reflected Godzilla's ray back at him, it reflected it at one thousand times it's original power. That's right folks, I do believe that is even more powerful than Heisei Godzilla's red spiral beam. And you know what? Godzilla withstood it with no real harm to himself. If Yongary's fireballs are on par with Godzilla's blue ray, then that only goes to show why they won't be effective against Big G, as he has taken punishement from much more powerful things.

Oh believe me, I’m not doubting the punishment Heisei Godzilla—either versions—can take. I know they’re damage resistance and I’ve brought this up several times as well. But hey, when Godzilla’s ray was reflected back at him from Space Godzilla’s shield, he nearly toppled over. Was it reflected 1000 times back at him? I doubt it. Point is, Godzilla has been taken down by attacks that aren’t one thousand times greater in power than his own heat ray. Let alone, as it was already brought up in this topic, Yonggary took the full blow of a huge explosion—a lot like a nuclear blast. I’d imagine it was hot and with enough force to sweep Yonggary off his feet, I’d imagine the blast was powerful.

- '84-'89 Godzilla spent five years within Mt. Mihara, in lava. Godzilla spent years, unharmed, within a substance that is much hotter than fire, and yet some people think fireballs will do harm to him? Whatever

I think they’ll only do minimal harm. Heck, I’m only here because I’m trying to prove these fireballs are stronger than what you and others are giving them credit for. I believe Yonggary when against Godzilla would be able to actually overpower him in terms of physical strength, since he was strong, let alone agile. In my eyes, the fireballs pack a punch and explosive power to boot. They’ll scald Godzilla’s flesh, but the King of the Monsters would easily heal such wounds. But he’ll feel ‘em.

- In "Godzilla vs. Biollante", the "microwave field" that was set up to raise Godzilla's body temperature created an energy field that was powerful enough to instantly vaporize a human being. For something to vaporize an organism like that, it would have to be almost as hot as the sun (or getting rather close to it). And guess what: Godzilla survived it, unharmed! That's right, Godzilla survived an energy field that would otherwise vaporize all known organic life, and yet people think a bunch of silly fireballs will do him in.

Weren’t those used in the first place just to raise his temperature? I can’t remember. Off topic yes, just I’m not sure if they were used solely to vaporize Godzilla in the first place or something like that.


Basically, I agree with your statements. I don’t think Yonggary’s fireballs would due Godzilla in. I think they’ll harm him. I think Yonggary has the potential to defeat him. I think those fireballs are more powerful than what you all believe. That is the only reason of why I bothered to reply to this thread in the first place. But anything to help give these monsters more respect, despite what horrible films they were shown in.

Now, wasn't this thread actually about Yongary battling Spacegodzilla?

Indeed it was. Just chances of Yonggary overcoming Godzilla alone is debatable. But battling a cosmic entity whose powers dwarf Godzilla’s own and winning? Hardly. Maybe those ‘real powers’ Yonggary doesn’t know about might lend a hand, but they’re unknown and not a factor.

[Tomzilla]

Also, where did it say Heisei Yongary is 500 ft. tall? He certainly didn't look that tall when we saw him standing over those people. Right now, I'm looking at the "monster size lineup" drawing in The Official Godzilla Compendium which shows the sizes of various monsters (Heisei Godzilla, Showa Rodan, Heisei Ghidorah, etc.) compared to real-life structures like the Capitol Building. Yongary didn't look any bigger than Gigan does in this picture.

I also recall reading some stats somewhere that claimed Heisei Yongary was around 200 ft. tall.

Mentions it in the DVD. Talks about Yonggary's statistics.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Now, wasn't this thread actually about Yongary battling Spacegodzilla?:D

Well, since mostly everybody thinks SG would kill Yongary, please continue debating about the power of Yongary's fireballs. I'm watching. It's interesting.

[Zigra]

Zigra-
Weren’t those used in the first place just to raise his temperature? I can’t remember. Off topic yes, just I’m not sure if they were used solely to vaporize Godzilla in the first place or something like that.

Yes, they were created to raise Godzilla's temperature. However, the power they gave off, and apparently the power needed just to raise his temperature alone, was enough to vaporize a human being.

I'm glad we agree on most things. The only victory I see Yongary having against Heisei, or Millenium Godzilla is if he managed to knock him unconcious. He obviously would never come close to being able to kill him. But, even a "knock-out" victory is questionable. '91-'95 Godzilla was able to lift and toss Mechagodzilla, who was more than twice his weight, like it was nothing, and I doubt '84-'89 Godzilla was much weaker. So, while Yongary may be much faster, Heisei Godzilla is still a frickin' powerhouse when it comes to physical strength in hth combat.

Most of my arguements come about as the result of numerous fanboys who claimed in previous threads that Yongary would be able to take down Heisei Godzilla in a heartbeat. Some of those people actually believed that Y's fireballs alone could do it! Apparently, Mr. Venetta was taking the statements of these individuals to heart when he created this thread, believing that Yongary would be a signifigant challenge for Spacegodzilla as well.

I'd also have to rewatch Yongary for another reason: it's been awhile since I've seen it, but I recently talked with Cole, and he told me the only time Y's fireballs caused any signifigantly large explosion was when they hit a gas tank. Since it's been awhile since I've seen the movie, I can't say for sure how correct he is, but if that information is wrong, you guys can blame Cole:D

Mentions it in the DVD. Talks about Yonggary's statistics

Hmm, it could be an error in translation. Like I said, Yongary doesn't look that much taller than 200 feet when you see him standing next to other objects. In fact, if he were really about 500 feet tall, he'd have to be so wide around that I don't think he could've fit in the streets.

[Gorjirus]

And isn't there that one scene where a soilder is right in front of him? You can clearly see that he isn't 500 feet tall.

[Tomzilla]

Zigra-

Yes, they were created to raise Godzilla's temperature. However, the power they gave off, and apparently the power needed just to raise his temperature alone, was enough to vaporize a human being.

They also said it was capable of melting a tank.

I'm glad we agree on most things. The only victory I see Yongary having against Heisei, or Millenium Godzilla is if he managed to knock him unconcious. He obviously would never come close to being able to kill him. But, even a "knock-out" victory is questionable. '91-'95 Godzilla was able to lift and toss Mechagodzilla, who was more than twice his weight, like it was nothing, and I doubt '84-'89 Godzilla was much weaker. So, while Yongary may be much faster, Heisei Godzilla is still a frickin' powerhouse when it comes to physical strength in hth combat.

Physically, Yonggary is strong. But if anyone stands a chance at knocking any Godzilla out, it would be Cykor. Cykor is a physical powerhouse. Knocked Yonggary through the air with ease a few times.

I'd also have to rewatch Yongary for another reason: it's been awhile since I've seen it, but I recently talked with Cole, and he told me the only time Y's fireballs caused any signifigantly large explosion was when they hit a gas tank. Since it's been awhile since I've seen the movie, I can't say for sure how correct he is, but if that information is wrong, you guys can blame Cole

Hmm...then Cole's house shall be pillaged. ;)

Hmm, it could be an error in translation. Like I said, Yongary doesn't look that much taller than 200 feet when you see him standing next to other objects. In fact, if he were really about 500 feet tall, he'd have to be so wide around that I don't think he could've fit in the streets.

Who knows, the streets could've been made wider. There are variables out there that could help support and disprove Yonggary is 500 ft. There are scenes I'm sure we can find that shows Godzilla's own size isn't accurate (whether it being 100, 80, 60, 55 or 50 meters...). Just if you can, think you can post your source that says Yonggary is 200 ft.? If it is reliable, we can take it into consideration. But at the moment, we take whatever is more likely and things written on DVD's for statistics shouldn't be ignored. Least not always...

[Zigra]

Who knows, the streets could've been made wider. There are variables out there that could help support and disprove Yonggary is 500 ft. There are scenes I'm sure we can find that shows Godzilla's own size isn't accurate (whether it being 100, 80, 60, 55 or 50 meters...). Just if you can, think you can post your source that says Yonggary is 200 ft.? If it is reliable, we can take it into consideration. But at the moment, we take whatever is more likely and things written on DVD's for statistics shouldn't be ignored. Least not always...


Unfortunetly, I don't remember where I got that information from (I really need to write this stuff down whenever I see it), but I'm pretty sure I read it from a couple of different sources.

The thing about Heisei Yongary is that he consistantly looked no bigger than about 200 feet. Not once did he look 500 feet. Unlike most other kaiju, Yongary is unique in that we got to see him standing near human beings very often, thanks to the use of CGI over suitamation . He certainly didn't look even close to being 500 feet when standing above or near people. His skeleton didn't even look any longer than about 200 feet. Was the DVD a U.S. released? U.S. distributers tend to exaggerate kaiju sizes (remember how for a long time it was claimed that Godzilla was 400 ft. tall in the U.S. versions of the movies?) :laugh:

[Tomzilla]

What's funny is in the movie, they said Yonggary's skeleton was about 50 times the size of a T-Rex. On average, that means Yonggary would've been 800 ft. ;)

[Zigra]

I can easily atribute that to the paleontologist's insanity. The only movie where we get to see a meglomaniacal paleontologist :intears:

[Cole Deschain]

"I created you!"

Mook. ;)

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by Tomzilla
What's funny is in the movie, they said Yonggary's skeleton was about 50 times the size of a T-Rex. On average, that means Yonggary would've been 800 ft. ;)

Whoa, weren't T-Rexs at least 20 feet tall? I never remember them only being 16.

[Black16]

I suppose I may as well makes some comments.

First of all, we have Yong’s “fire arrows” as Tom so well put it. I recently took the time to do a calc for them. The weaker ones he was throwing around and blasting buildings with fall in at about 118 GJ, or roughly half the power of Heisei Goji’s Spiral Ray. The stronger one he used to blow Cykor to smithereens with was about 2.5 terrajoules, several times more powerful than the Spiral Ray.

So why is there such a huge difference between the power of some (hitting the jet troopers) and others? Simple. Yong has enough tactical sense not to waste huge amounts of power on small targets.

And he has enough durability to live through a blast comparable to a tactical nuke. So he’s not going to be ripped apart by one or two Corona beams, which his “shield” may be able to redirect away from him. The Corona Beams do miss, despite the claim that has been made otherwise. They missed Mecha-Penguin when it was flying slow circles around SG, so if that un-maneuverable thing can dodge them, I’ve rather certain that the significantly more agile Yonggary can do the same.

One other thing, I scaled Yong compared to the jet troopers, he seems to be about 140 meters, or about 460 feet tall.

So I’ll simply break the fight down as I so often do.

SG

Corona Beam: An interesting armor piercing, explosive attack. Despite my erroneous first attempt at a calc, it seems it is closer to the power of Goji’s blue ray, though stronger in the sense of its armor blasting abilities. It will hurt Yong, but it is doubtful that the weapon would kill him in a few strokes, his armor, shield, and agility will see to that.

Crystal Shield: A moot point. We never see it employed against anything other than Goji’s ray, even when given the chance to do so. As such, I find it un-likely that it is at all effective against any beam other than that of SG’s “brother”.

Gravity Tornado: Yong was tossed a kilometer or two and through a building by Cykor and kept fighting. I doubt this will help SG at all.

Crystal Missiles: No. Just no.

Pointy Melee Attacks: Yonggary is far to agile for SG to even hope to hit him in melee combat.


Yong

Uber Agility: This will help him, not only in avoiding SG accurate but not 100% so Corona beam, but also in close combat, which he seems to prefer if it’s available.

Fire Arrows: The normal ones will hurt SG, the big ones will hurt him bad. The explosive power on them is greater than that on Mecha Penguin’s SGM, so a blow to the crystals will take them out. And yes, Yong displays enough intelligence to attack large, glowing, obvious weak points.

Shield of Un-known Natureatude: In all honesty, I’m not sure what this will do. It might deflect the CB, it might do nothing. Thusly, null point.

Above Average Melee Capabilities: Fast tail sweeps, elbow thrusts, claw attacks, all will work. They may not do that much with SG sub-par regen, but they will do something.

Tactical Sense: Simply amazing. Yong is one of the few kaiju to display much in the way of tactical sense. He dodges, plays possum, looks for openings in an opponents guard, conserves firepower, and attacks weak points specifically. Something that I certainly can’t say about SG.

[Zigra]

Sorry, to post again on a very old and seemingly dead topic but I just saw "Reptilian" again just a few minutes ago, I feel the need to respond to Black16's comments. Here's a few points:

- I don't know how B16 got his measurments for Yongary's size, but he's way off. Yongary was very clearly only about 200 feet tall. You could tell by looking at the people and cars he stood over and the size of his foot when he nearly stepped on people. He also looked about the same size when those guys on jet packs flew around him. Believe me, I've stood near tower that was about 100 meters tall in real life and saw how big it was compared to people benearth it. Yongary wasn't that big.

- When Cyker had Yon in his tentacles, he delivered an electrical shock that actually seemed to be on the verge of killing Yon. Now, I don't know if this energy was really mean't to be electricity, but it sure seemed like it, and if he's harmed by electricity, SpaceG's corona beam is gonna wreck havoc on him!

- That explosion that Yongary "withstood" that so many people go ga-ga over wasn't that impressive, nor was Yon's ability to survive it. You'll notice that when the flames from the blast retreated, many of the buildings Yongary was standing near when he was hit were hardly damaged at all!

- Yongary is indeed fast, but he's not the tactical genius he's made out to be. In hth combat, he was barely able to avoid blows from a monster that seemed slower than him.

- In regards to the explosion that killed Cyker, I've got a couple of points: 1) The explosion wasn't as powerful as those created by Heisei Godzilla's spiral beam, as Cyker wasn't even 200 feet tall and the explosions created by the spiral beam can envelop a monster (or mecha) nearly 400 feet tall! 2) Yongary's fireball wasn't what exploded and killed Cyker. What happened is that when the fireball shot into Cyker's body, it appeared to hit some sort of energy source in his body (notice how before he exploded he began to glow white with non-fire energy) and that is what exploded. In other words, Y's fireball really only hit some sort of weak point in Cyker, but it wasn't what exploded.