Jet Jaguar V.S King Ceaser -Robot Hero V.S Okinawan Guardian

[Showa Godzilla]

Who would Win The Okinawan Guardian or the super Hero Robot.Both Monsters are 50 meters tall Battleground: Same Place G and KK fought in 62.

[Zigra]

I give this to Seesar, and not just because I hate JJ. Seesar is superior to JJ in HtH combat in every way (in both speed and all out ferocity). Some people may point out how Seesar was nearly taken down by Mechagodzilla's weapons, but JJ doesn't have anything like that available to him.

[Cole Deschain]

Whose kung fu is stronger?

Hrrrrrm.

JJ got manhandled by Gigan. Not much shame in that for a pure brawler, but a manhandling is a manhandling.

Seesar did moderately well against Mechagodzilla (at least until the arsenal kicked in), and continued to hold his own.


I'd say Seesar

[Jet Jaguar]

Gotta give props to Seesar, as he is a worthy opponent, but JJ would battle on until the creature tired, and then FELL

*PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH!*

[Zigra]

........or until he was torn into scrap metal (like he nearly was with Gigan) :sarcasm:

[PyrasTerran]

The fact that JJ is more humanoid than KC gives him an edge in combat tactics. JJ has shown to have them, as he's tossed kaiju in spinning throws and broken arms.. The fact that he knows how to break an arm shows he knows what he's doing.

But Ceasar is just as skilled in combat, plus has the advantage of teeth and claws. But, he is less flexible..

I'll have to watch GvMegalon, I don't remember JJ too well.

[HolyGoji777]

i have to give this one to king caesar...jaggy just dont stand a chance against the guardian beast.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

I'm going to have to give this to Jet Jaguar, he just outclasses King Ceesar in everything in this fight...

intelligence, endurance, pain tolerance, melee skills, mobility.

King Ceesar doesn't stand a chance.

[MirrenDono]

I give this to Jet. I still don't think he got whupped by Gigan, yes only after he endured one of the most terrible beatings in kaiju history, but then later he annhilated them. Jet is more manuverable, and therefor he can do more in fighting. Plus that fligh might come in handy sometime ^_~

[Solar_Behemoth]

Hmmmm.
Seesar definitely outclasses JJ in intelligence seeing how the robot got dizzy and confused just because Megalon flied around him in circles! AND JJ seemed to be dumb enough to simply walk up to Megalon and Gigan and give them a free punch or kick at him.. :laugh:
I can only imagine what Seesar's ram attack is gonna do to Jet Jaguar- seeing how it damaged MG's space titanium-armored front pretty badly.
Both these kaiju may be equal in speed and agility, but Seesar outclasses JJ in just about everything else.

JJ stands no chance.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Hmmmm.
Seesar definitely outclasses JJ in intelligence seeing how the robot got dizzy and confused just because Megalon flied around him in circles! AND JJ seemed to be dumb enough to simply walk up to Megalon and Gigan and give them a free punch or kick at him.. :laugh:
I can only imagine what Seesar's ram attack is gonna do to Jet Jaguar- seeing how it damaged MG's space titanium-armored front pretty badly.
Both these kaiju may be equal in speed and agility, but Seesar outclasses JJ in just about everything else.

JJ stands no chance.

JJ may have gotten dizzy, but at least he knows how to move out of the way of attacks. Free attacks? Look at King Ceesar for those, he just stood there howling when MG was blasting him with Missiles. JJ proved he was intelligent in his movie. Did King Ceesar do that? No he didn't, he proved quite the opposite.

The ram didn't damage MG at all. Watch the movie again, a few sparks does not equate to damage.

And no, Jet Jaguar definately outclasses Ceesar in agility, and speed. Your just giving Ceesar abilities he does not have again. He never even attempted to do dodge attacks, how can you call him agile?

Ceesar can't compete with Jet Jaguar in agility, speed, or mobility, if you guys(As in Cole and Hank) Weren't so intent on making Ceesar into something he obviously is not, you'd see that.

King Ceesar isn't a ninja poodle like you guys keep claiming him to be, he's slow, dumb, and doesn't take damage well at all-Gino took missiles better than he did.

[Zigra]

JJ may have gotten dizzy, but at least he knows how to move out of the way of attacks.

That's funny, I didn't know robots could get dizzy.

Free attacks? Look at King Ceesar for those, he just stood there howling when MG was blasting him with Missiles.

Pretty irrelevant considering JJ doesn't have anything like missles or any other projectile weapons.

The ram didn't damage MG at all. Watch the movie again, a few sparks does not equate to damage.

:nonono2: WHAT? How could that not mean he was taking damage?!

And no, Jet Jaguar definately outclasses Ceesar in agility, and speed. Your just giving Ceesar abilities he does not have again.

:laugh: It's amusing that you claimed people gave Ceesar abilities he doesn't have, when you just did the same with JJ. Not once did we ever see JJ move as fast as Ceesar. JJ was always moving at a walking speed, whereas Ceesar could run

Ceesar can't compete with Jet Jaguar in agility, speed, or mobility, if you guys(As in Cole and Hank) Weren't so intent on making Ceesar into something he obviously is not, you'd see that.

They aren't the ones doing that, Strider.

King Ceesar isn't a ninja poodle like you guys keep claiming him to be, he's slow, dumb, and doesn't take damage well at all-Gino took missiles better than he did.

Yeah, missles that also badly wounded Godzilla, so are obviously more powerful than the ones that took down GINO. It's pretty irrelevant anyway, since, as I pointed out above, JJ has absolutely nothing that can cause that sort of damage.

I still don't think he got whupped by Gigan, yes only after he endured one of the most terrible beatings in kaiju history,

You're assuming that JJ was "weak" and "tired" after getting whupped by Gigan and Megalon. However, I don't see how a robot could be "tired" or "weak" like a living organism.

[PyrasTerran]

King Ceesar isn't a ninja poodle like you guys keep claiming him to be, he's slow, dumb, and doesn't take damage well at all-Gino took missiles better than he did.

Your bias against King Ceasar is started to irritate.

King Ceasar is not a ninja poodle, but he can dodge and can counter attacks. There is no going around the fact that he has done both. This means he isn't dumb, but rather intelligent. Plus he is not slow, for he would have needed speed to perform said dodges and counters.

And he doesn't take damage? worse than GINO, even?? Please, spare me. This is perhaps the dumbest thing you've said so far involving Ceasar.

MG's assault would have ripped through GINO like tissue paper. Ceasar was still alive and kicking, and even had enough strength to perform his trademark headbutts, which need I remind you, dented titanium armor.



And about saying that all Ceasar did was howl about while MG did his barrage, PLEASE!! What the hell was he supposed to do?? He was caught in a hellfire of missiles and rays!! It didn't matter what he did he was getting shot from every angle, there was nothing he could do but howl.


Seriously.. :nonono2:

[MirrenDono]

Yeah Aragorn, Seesar had no way to get outta those missiles. I mean good Lord those things blasted Goji to hell, did you really expect him to do a moonsault into a hurricanrana or something? :P

But I still give it to Jet.

[Zigra]

But I still give it to Jet.


Then, please explain to use exactly what JJ is going to do to win this battle. We've already established that Ceesar is faster and much more savage in battle than JJ is, and that the things that nearly took Ceesar down are not things that JJ has available to him.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Look at King Ceesar for those, he just stood there howling when MG was blasting him with Missiles

Godzilla ALSO was standing and roaring while getting barraged by MG's beams and missles. Why? Becuase MG's weapon assault is extremely powerful- tell me what the hell they could do during that attack!

Apparently you must think that the Showa Godzilla is weak because he even got his *** kicked in the first battle at the beginning of the movie! Remember Godzilla getting hit by MG's eye beam during the first battle and went flying to the ground? Remember Godzilla's own blood rising out of the water after being blasted into the water? MG is POWERFUL.

I've seen posts from you stating how you think Seesar and Anguirus are very weak, and I've wondered how someone could think that.

Now it is all clear. You're just one of those many people who assume a monster is weak just because they lost a battle against a monster 5 times more powerful than them. Then you ignore the fact that they still put up one hell of a fight. :nonono2:

[Zigra]

Apparently you must think that the Showa Godzilla is weak because he even got his *** kicked in the first battle at the beginning of the movie! Remember Godzilla getting hit by MG's eye beam during the first battle and went flying to the ground? Remember Godzilla's own blood rising out of the water after being blasted into the water? MG is POWERFUL.



Actually, if you watch the original Japanese version of the film, in Godzilla's first battle with MG, his breath hit MG's eye beam (just like when Godzilla and Mechagodzilla's breath weapons collide in GvsMG '93) and that caused a massive explosion. That is what threw Godzilla back into the ocean (and also what caused MG to fall back and malfunction). The U.S. version cut out that scene and made it look like the eye beam alone blasted Godzilla away.

But still, MG's arsenal is rather deadly. Godzilla himself was badly wounded by it. So, the arguement that Ceesar is somehow "not powerful" simply because he was hurt by MG's arsenal simply doesn't add up.

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by Zigra
Then, please explain to use exactly what JJ is going to do to win this battle. We've already established that Ceesar is faster and much more savage in battle than JJ is, and that the things that nearly took Ceesar down are not things that JJ has available to him.

We really haven't. Jet is just as mean in his fighting, and he's been shown to be able to thrash his adversaries like Megalon and Giagn not after he's been beaten to a bloody...err...oily pulp. Read my post again before to get a bit of an idea, I'll post more tomorrow though, gotta go....

[Zigra]

I did read it. It didn't really say much. In fact, you said some things that actually weren't true. JJ is not more manueverable than Ceesar. He's actually rather slow compared to Ceesar.

JJ survived getting thrashed? Yeah, only because Godzilla came and saved him. Of course, you could say the same thing about Ceesar in his battle with MG, but Ceesar was taking far more powerful hits than JJ was. That kinda shows how relatively weak JJ is compared to Ceesar. The hits JJ took from Megalon and Gigan were nothing compared to what Ceesar took from MG, but yet JJ was getting killed.

[PyrasTerran]

Okey doke, I have seen GvMegalon again, now I can safely evaluate this fight..


Jet Jaguar never really showed running speed, but that's because he never had to. JJ being humanoid is very likely fast.

When it comes to combat, JJ is very, very knowledgable, even moreso than King Ceasar. He knows how to wait for the opponent to come to him and has dodged and countered attacks more time than our feline/canine friend, and has shown the knowledge to know how to break an arm, as well as the strength to lift 20,000 tons into the air and toss it a good distance.

However..

What JJ has in fighting power, he lacks severely in durability. He can get pounded quite easily, and can even get dizzy, which should be impossible for a robot. Although he seemed to be holding his own against Megalon, the thrashing he got at the hands of Gigan later on proves that it was more than likely a fluke.

Now, King Ceasar, being more animalistic, fights as such; he comes in headstrong and tackls and roars and whatnot, but he also has shown his share of combat knowledge, as well as having a tough defense and a powerful headbutt.

In the long run, JJ's superiority in HTH combat won't save him as it'd pretty much take one headbutt to wind him, and once he's stunned like that several more blows(and Ceasar likes to fight in combos) will leave him seeing stars. JJ's tactics can't penetrate Ceasar's altogether tougher body. In the long run, JJ is simply too human to defeat the beast.

[Cole Deschain]

Ceesar can't compete with Jet Jaguar in agility, speed, or mobility, if you guys(As in Cole and Hank) Weren't so intent on making Ceesar into something he obviously is not, you'd see that.


Talk about the pot and the kettle. :sarcasm: Seesar is most certainly fast. In fact, before I saw Kiryu in action, I considered Seesar among the swiftest of land-going Kaiju. And you, sir, need to pull in your venom a bit. You are taking this personally. It is not personal. It is a matter of opinion about imaginary creatures.

King Ceesar isn't a ninja poodle like you guys keep claiming him to be, he's slow, dumb, and doesn't take damage well at all-Gino took missiles better than he did.

The bias and venom in this statement alone make me question any decision you arrive at in this fight.

[Cole Deschain]

Okey doke, I have seen GvMegalon againevaluate this

Pyras, you have my sympathies. ;)

[MirrenDono]

^Heh, I watched it again too, got a lot of stuff...

This is mainly all my opinions and proof in my mind of why Jet would win, so Zigra, have fun reading ^_~

I watched him battle, and I gotta say, I can't see how many of you aren't impressed with Jet. I examined his battles, fighting manuvers and all, and I gotta say this guy's amazing. First lemme start off with his power. This robot has got to have some of the most amazing power in his blows I've ever seen. Jet Jaguar weighs 27,500 tons, Megalon is 44,000, as much as Mechagodzilla. This means that Jet weighed 16,000 pounds less than the big stupid bug. Look at his first hit. He barely even winds up, and throws a normal hit at Megalon and floors him. He floors something with a weight that he is only about 60% of off an average smack, and heck, he does it twice! That's awesome dude. Going on now, Jaguar does not just slap his adversaries around, he does more sometimes. Look at the first fight with Megalon, the guy throws Megalon into the cliffs, and at another point as they're grappling throws him to the ground. Watch him in that first fight, he's relentless. Once he'd get Megalon down, he would pound him even more or at least keep knocking him around. Then after Goji comes in a bit, he gets back to fighting Megalon, and even after getting pounded himself, he batters Megalon. Watch him,, he continually smacks Megalon and kicks him into the dirt. Then watch that second kick for another example of his power and force on his blows. He kicks Megalon in the butt, and Megalon goes flying. We only start to hear real flying sounds once the camera goes to Gigan flying at Goji. This shows that Jet managed to kick the 44,000 pound Megalon and send him flying, even while being 16500 pounds less than him. That is pure force my friends. Just imagine now when he does such to Seesar, who is only 33,000 pounds. He is only 3/4 of Megalon's weight, and Jet thrashed Megalon. Just imagine what those incredible power-house hits are gonna do to the big dog. Seesar will be sent sprawling/flying.

Now lets go into his dexterity. Jet Jaguar showed this a couple times. Jet was able to out-manuverr Megalon many times, when he dodged his rama nd threw him into the rocks, and when he dodged a few shots from him. Towards the end of the first battle, there's a point where Megalon throws some swipes at Jet, and he simply ducks under both of them and nails Megalon again. This shows that he can dodge just like Seesar, maybe not as well, but good enough, and he still has more to battle Seesar with

His fortitude. Jet has a ton here, and this is no exaggeration, this guy can really take the pain and keep fighting/standing. Look at the hits he takes and he gets by them. That first flying ram by Megalon knocked him flat and created an explosion of sparks. And even while on the ground he managed to grapple with Megalon equally, even after that savage hit. Then once Gigan comes, and when he tries to fly away, Megalon blasts him with both a lightning bolt and napalm. After the explosion, we see barely any marks on him minus a few eakly charred parts and a lil dust, but no serious damage at all. Then after those massive kicks to his gut which cause spark explosions, again, no real damaged areas. But my real main point, at the beginning of the beating with Megalon and Gigan, he manages to take four blows before finally egtting hit for the fifth time and goes down. He takes a hit from Megalon, and reels over to Gigan, takes one there, reels back at Megalon, takes another, staggers at Gigan, takes yet another and staggers back to Megalon before finally getting hit a fifth time and going down. He took four hits and merely staggered, it took five to knock him down. He can take a lot of punishment.

Now going back to a bit of his force and now his brute strength. Jet Jaguar obviously have amazing power and force to his blows, and for more evidence look at what he does to Gigan. When he flies by him, he knocks him outta the sky, with amazing ease. He simply flies into him, and the cyborg goes down. Jet doesn't even move during this, he hits Gigan and stays nearly completely still. He and Gigan weigh the exact same, and upon contact Jet isn't even stirred. It won't be too different if he nails Seesar with a flying ram. Then take a check at when he breaks Gigan's arm. Good Lord that was nasty. He simply takes him fly, and bends it over his knee quickly and breaks it. Again, not a whole ton of force on it if you watch it, and he breaks it with ease. Plus Gigan might've have more metal there being a cyborg, and even if not something like done to Seesar will result in a sickening action. And finally, his strength. Jet has some good stuff here, very good stuff. Even if Goji is 5500 less pounds than him, he carried him while flying with ease, witha lot of ease it seems. Then when he lifted up Gigan, sure it took him a secodn to get him up, but once he did it was brutal. He didn't even bend down to throw him, he simply squated the tiniest bit and hurled him into the air extremlely high. If he did that to Seesar, the big doggy's still gonna go high and land rather painfully, and if Jet actually bends down to get more force on the throw, it won't be pretty for Seesar.


So if you wanted a real answer on why I think Jet would win and why he's an incredible kaiju, that's why ^_^

[Cole Deschain]

^Now that is a vote for Jet Jaguar I can respect.

[Jet Jaguar]

^Heh, I watched it again too, got a lot of stuff...

This is mainly all my opinions and proof in my mind of why Jet would win, so Zigra, have fun reading ^_~

I watched him battle, and I gotta say, I can't see how many of you aren't impressed with Jet. I examined his battles, fighting manuvers and all, and I gotta say this guy's amazing. First lemme start off with his power. This robot has got to have some of the most amazing power in his blows I've ever seen. Jet Jaguar weighs 27,500 tons, Megalon is 44,000, as much as Mechagodzilla. This means that Jet weighed 16,000 pounds less than the big stupid bug. Look at his first hit. He barely even winds up, and throws a normal hit at Megalon and floors him. He floors something with a weight that he is only about 60% of off an average smack, and heck, he does it twice! That's awesome dude. Going on now, Jaguar does not just slap his adversaries around, he does more sometimes. Look at the first fight with Megalon, the guy throws Megalon into the cliffs, and at another point as they're grappling throws him to the ground. Watch him in that first fight, he's relentless. Once he'd get Megalon down, he would pound him even more or at least keep knocking him around. Then after Goji comes in a bit, he gets back to fighting Megalon, and even after getting pounded himself, he batters Megalon. Watch him,, he continually smacks Megalon and kicks him into the dirt. Then watch that second kick for another example of his power and force on his blows. He kicks Megalon in the butt, and Megalon goes flying. We only start to hear real flying sounds once the camera goes to Gigan flying at Goji. This shows that Jet managed to kick the 44,000 pound Megalon and send him flying, even while being 16500 pounds less than him. That is pure force my friends. Just imagine now when he does such to Seesar, who is only 33,000 pounds. He is only 3/4 of Megalon's weight, and Jet thrashed Megalon. Just imagine what those incredible power-house hits are gonna do to the big dog. Seesar will be sent sprawling/flying.

Now lets go into his dexterity. Jet Jaguar showed this a couple times. Jet was able to out-manuverr Megalon many times, when he dodged his rama nd threw him into the rocks, and when he dodged a few shots from him. Towards the end of the first battle, there's a point where Megalon throws some swipes at Jet, and he simply ducks under both of them and nails Megalon again. This shows that he can dodge just like Seesar, maybe not as well, but good enough, and he still has more to battle Seesar with

His fortitude. Jet has a ton here, and this is no exaggeration, this guy can really take the pain and keep fighting/standing. Look at the hits he takes and he gets by them. That first flying ram by Megalon knocked him flat and created an explosion of sparks. And even while on the ground he managed to grapple with Megalon equally, even after that savage hit. Then once Gigan comes, and when he tries to fly away, Megalon blasts him with both a lightning bolt and napalm. After the explosion, we see barely any marks on him minus a few eakly charred parts and a lil dust, but no serious damage at all. Then after those massive kicks to his gut which cause spark explosions, again, no real damaged areas. But my real main point, at the beginning of the beating with Megalon and Gigan, he manages to take four blows before finally egtting hit for the fifth time and goes down. He takes a hit from Megalon, and reels over to Gigan, takes one there, reels back at Megalon, takes another, staggers at Gigan, takes yet another and staggers back to Megalon before finally getting hit a fifth time and going down. He took four hits and merely staggered, it took five to knock him down. He can take a lot of punishment.

Now going back to a bit of his force and now his brute strength. Jet Jaguar obviously have amazing power and force to his blows, and for more evidence look at what he does to Gigan. When he flies by him, he knocks him outta the sky, with amazing ease. He simply flies into him, and the cyborg goes down. Jet doesn't even move during this, he hits Gigan and stays nearly completely still. He and Gigan weigh the exact same, and upon contact Jet isn't even stirred. It won't be too different if he nails Seesar with a flying ram. Then take a check at when he breaks Gigan's arm. Good Lord that was nasty. He simply takes him fly, and bends it over his knee quickly and breaks it. Again, not a whole ton of force on it if you watch it, and he breaks it with ease. Plus Gigan might've have more metal there being a cyborg, and even if not something like done to Seesar will result in a sickening action. And finally, his strength. Jet has some good stuff here, very good stuff. Even if Goji is 5500 less pounds than him, he carried him while flying with ease, witha lot of ease it seems. Then when he lifted up Gigan, sure it took him a secodn to get him up, but once he did it was brutal. He didn't even bend down to throw him, he simply squated the tiniest bit and hurled him into the air extremlely high. If he did that to Seesar, the big doggy's still gonna go high and land rather painfully, and if Jet actually bends down to get more force on the throw, it won't be pretty for Seesar.


So if you wanted a real answer on why I think Jet would win and why he's an incredible kaiju, that's why ^_^

VERY well-written and thought out!
Huzzah to you!
And let that be a lesson to ALL who doubt the power of Robot Superhero SUPREME JET JAGUAR

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by Cole Deschain
^Now that is a vote for Jet Jaguar I can respect.

Heh, thanks ^_~


Originally posted by Jet Jaguar
VERY well-written and thought out!
Huzzah to you!
And let that be a lesson to ALL who doubt the power of Robot Superhero SUPREME JET JAGUAR

And again, thanks. And I gratefully accept that huzzah ^_^

Viva la Jet Jaguar!

[Zigra]

Very impressive arguement, Showa Goji. The only problem with it is that Megalon has already been pretty well established as an incompetent monster, so being able to do him in in anything is not exactly impressive. Gigan is a different story......

[MirrenDono]

Thank you. And about Megalon, oh yeah I've known that the entire time. But a lot of Jet's skills were performed rather well even if Megalon was a jabronie. Nevertheless he weighs a ton, and Jet thrashed him even while being lighter and managed to do amazing skills on him.

[Zigra]

If Jet can get a hold of Ceesar, he could give him the beatdown. However, Ceesar is still a speed demon, and his body slams could be devastating. Plus, I must point out again that Ceesar held up against much deadlier blows (MG's heavy arsenal) than JJ did, so I'd give him somewhat higher marks in damage resistance than JJ.

[MirrenDono]

Yes he did, but we don't know for sure if Jet could handle that or not. Nevertheless, I gotta admit they both have amazing fortitude.