16. Kumonga vs. Mothra (Rebirth)

[Raptor]

16. Kumonga (http://www.kaijuphile.com/rodansroost/kaijustats/kumonga.shtml) vs. Mothra (http://www.kaijuphile.com/rodansroost/kaijustats/mothrarebirth.shtml) (Rebirth)

[Aragorn_Strider22]

God dammit I hate the stupid moth. Why can't it do us all a favor and fly into the sun?

Kumonga dies.

Dang, I wish she would have gone up against GINO.

Winner: Mothra Rebirth

[anguirus55]

Let's not be hasty people...

First off, I'll freely admit I'm a huge Kumonga fan. So yes, Mothra could splatter him like...well, a bug with a full salvo.

But he usually starts battles slowly, with a few beams or even a physical attack.

What do you need to cut Kumonga's webs? Heat at point-of-contact. Mothra can deliver heat, but he isn't flexible enough to slice webs off her own body with her beams. Example: Mothra 2.

Also consider this, provided by our friendly stat page: "Kumonga is a stalker. He lurks in cover, waiting for an adversary or victim to draw close, then attempts to immobilze (sic) them (sic) with his web."

If she gets webs on her wings she's going down HARD. Kumonga always opens with a web spray, and his aim isn't that great but it is a big stream, and Mothra rarely uses his speed to the fullest.

Once Mothra is down, one poison shot and all the beams in the world won't matter. If Kumonga loses a limb or three in the process, so be it.

So, if Mothra was smart, he would win quickly. As is, Kumonga may well win quickly. If Kumonga blows it on the first couple of passes, Mothra will go apeshit and turn him into a grease spot.

So I'm calling it a tie, but I wouldn't blame anyone who voted for Kumonga. I want him to win it all. :D

[PyrasTerran]

You're forgetting about alot of abilities Mothra has.

This Mothra doesn't need to use her speed to the fullest, she can fly up to Mach 15.5, I seriously doubt Kumonga will ever catch her.

Should the rare occurance that Leo be caught in webbing, she can generate heat from wings and the whole body. She can even break apart into hundreds of tiny Mothra, escaping the webbing, and while in this stage, she'd be impervious to just about anything and can really ravage Kumonga.

One poison shot won't bring this kaiju down, if it didn't down Godzilla when it got him in the eye. And that shot takes too long to hawk up.

This Mothra can push off 15 times her weight. She could simply headbutt Kumonga and the arachnid would go flying.

This battle could eb over before Kumonga even gets a chance to take a shot in, because 'a few beams or even a physical attack' from Mothra Leo goes a long way against a creature that gets knocked on its back/burned by Showa Godzilla's beam.

I'm sorry, but there is little to no way Kumonga can win unless Mothra simply lies down on the ground and lets the spider have its way.

[HolyGoji777]

mothra wins easily.

[anguirus55]

This Mothra doesn't need to use her speed to the fullest, she can fly up to Mach 15.5, I seriously doubt Kumonga will ever catch her.


Have you ever observed how he fights ground targets? He comes in slow, fires a few times, then strikes them with the underside of his body slow enough for the ground kaiju to take a swat or two. Which makes sense, because there is no WAY to make a ground attack at supersonic speed. That's why the A-10 is designed like it is. Mothra can either come in low and slow, or he can miss.

And this Mothra doesn't dodge and weave like GMK Mothra at subsonic speeds, he makes straight attack runs.

May I remind you, he doesn't start out with the knowledge of Kumonga's abilities.

Should the rare occurance that Leo be caught in webbing, she can generate heat from wings and the whole body

I admit that I haven't seen Mothra 2 for awhile (and that was the cut-up version), but is there a particular reason why that wouldn't have worked on the Berem? That didn't seem to occur to him. Possibility: he can't blast those energy waves off the wings when they are covered up.

She can even break apart into hundreds of tiny Mothra, escaping the webbing, and while in this stage, she'd be impervious to just about anything and can really ravage Kumonga.


That doesn't fly because she is physically webbed together. There is a reason he didn't go "X-Wing Mothras" while he was covered in Berem, they were adhering to him and preventing the transformation.

That or its a plot hole. I really hate the Mothra movies.

One poison shot won't bring this kaiju down, if it didn't down Godzilla when it got him in the eye. And that shot takes too long to hawk up.

You misunderstand me. I meant the poison stinger while it is still attached to his mouthparts, so he can pump in poison.

And while Mothra Leo could turn Godzilla Showa into a grease spot, physically he is much smaller and has much less body volume for the poison to pump through.

This Mothra can push off 15 times her weight. She could simply headbutt Kumonga and the arachnid would go flying.


Kumonga is so low to the ground that Mothra would knock himself silly trying. And that's exactly the kind of pass he wants to AVOID, as it sets up a perfect web shot. The diameter of that spray is BIG, it will blind Mothra or gum up her wings very quickly, causing her to miss badly and probably hit the ground. The stuff has mass you know.

This battle could eb over before Kumonga even gets a chance to take a shot in, because 'a few beams or even a physical attack' from Mothra Leo goes a long way against a creature that gets knocked on its back/burned by Showa Godzilla's beam.

That's why I called it a tie. If Mothra actually nails him hard at the beginning, he'll lose. On the other hand, not only does Mothra usually start the battle slowly, but Kumonga likes to dig and set traps for prey.

I'm sorry, but there is little to no way Kumonga can win unless Mothra simply lies down on the ground and lets the spider have its way.

Oh please I presented a perfectly plausible scenario for Kumonga winning or at least BADLY hurting Leo. Leo can't fly if he gets hit with the webs, that's all there is to it. While he is trying to get them off, he's open to MORE web-firing (even with the application of heat, it has to contact EACH strand) and a hypodermic surprise. Since his body mass and volume is so comparatively miniscule (being mostly wing) he is highly vulnerable to a poison attack.

[UltraGojira]

I agree with PyrasTerran on this one. Mothra has every kinds of weapons to destroy Kumonga, even if the spider did have a poison attack. The stinger and web is all he has, but this Mothra has every weapon she has!

Winner: Mothra (Rebirth)

[PyrasTerran]

Just because it looks like he's flying slowly due to use of models in a mini-landscape doesn't make it so. This Mothra is still fast, way too fast for the sluggish Kumonga.

The reason Leo makes straight attack runs is because his straight attack runs come with lights and blasts, which a great majority of the time, will ravage an opponent if they're not some kinda Grand Ghidorah.

So Leo's attack run would rip through Kumonga's thread, and then him.

[quote]I admit that I haven't seen Mothra 2 for awhile (and that was the cut-up version), but is there a particular reason why that wouldn't have worked on the Berem? That didn't seem to occur to him. Possibility: he can't blast those energy waves off the wings when they are covered up.

More likely possibility: The berum were draining her energy, which kept her from using any attacks, which was the case.

That doesn't fly because she is physically webbed together. There is a reason he didn't go "X-Wing Mothras" while he was covered in Berem, they were adhering to him and preventing the transformation.

That or its a plot hole. I really hate the Mothra movies.

Again, it's because the berum were literally eating away at her. Silk doesn't do that.

You misunderstand me. I meant the poison stinger while it is still attached to his mouthparts, so he can pump in poison.

And while Mothra Leo could turn Godzilla Showa into a grease spot, physically he is much smaller and has much less body volume for the poison to pump through.

Ah, I understand now.

That is a possibility. At the same time, super-powerful kaiju tend to have uber immunities.

Kumonga is so low to the ground that Mothra would knock himself silly trying. And that's exactly the kind of pass he wants to AVOID, as it sets up a perfect web shot. The diameter of that spray is BIG, it will blind Mothra or gum up her wings very quickly, causing her to miss badly and probably hit the ground. The stuff has mass you know.

But it is only to the front. Leo has the sides and the back to turn to as well.

Also, Kumonga would be VERY easy to pick up considering Leo's strength, and such a thing wouldn't bode well on this not-so-agile spider.

at's why I called it a tie. If Mothra actually nails him hard at the beginning, he'll lose. On the other hand, not only does Mothra usually start the battle slowly, but Kumonga likes to dig and set traps for prey.

Not while already in combat, and I don't think Kumonga digs that quickly.

Besides, what I'm trying to say is that Mothra's slow start is all it takes to down Kumonga. She's got lightning from the wings, a chest beam that fires straight down, a series of cascading beams that shoot up from the ground towards the opponent, an spinning attack that sends volts of energy pounding on the opponent, the ability to break apart and swarm the opponent, a super-hot tri-beam...

It doesn't matter which one Leo chooses to attack with first, it's going to do a number on the spider.

Oh please I presented a perfectly plausible scenario for Kumonga winning or at least BADLY hurting Leo. Leo can't fly if he gets hit with the webs, that's all there is to it. While he is trying to get them off, he's open to MORE web-firing (even with the application of heat, it has to contact EACH strand) and a hypodermic surprise. Since his body mass and volume is so comparatively miniscule (being mostly wing) he is highly vulnerable to a poison attack.

Once again: Breaking down into hundreds of tiny mothra would be no problem because the silk is only restraining him physically, it's not eating away at him/sucking him of energy like the Berum did. Just breaking down into this would be enough for escape from the silk.

Besides, you're comparing the speed it took to wrap up Godzilla and Ghidorah to how fast it might do to Mothra Leo, a kaiju that is multitudes stronger physically than both these two Showa incarnations. And that includes wing power. If Mothra gets webed, there is a high chance she could simply fly right through it, her wing power being strong enough to withstand it, and then just pass right above Kumonga and unleash downward hell.

[anguirus55]

The reason Leo makes straight attack runs is because his straight attack runs come with lights and blasts, which a great majority of the time, will ravage an opponent if they're not some kinda Grand Ghidorah.

So Leo's attack run would rip through Kumonga's thread, and then him.


Good point...but then, it isn't as if he usually starts a fight CONSTANTLY firing. If he gets webbed up once, he falters and is open to a lot more webbing.

More likely possibility: The berum were draining her energy, which kept her from using any attacks, which was the case.

Oh yeah...

Well, never let it be said that I'm unreasonable. That's why I voted "tie." However, Mothra seems almost to freeze up when confronted with a new attack. If Kumonga's webs gunk him up once, he'll hit the ground and lose precious seconds while Kumonga just keeps the spray trained on him. He can burn through a few layers at a time but the stuff goes on pretty thick.

Again, it's because the berum were literally eating away at her. Silk doesn't do that.

Are the "Mothra fighters" physical at all? I honestly doen't remember. If they ARE, that just means you get lots of little Mothras stuck in the same web.

Ah, I understand now.

That is a possibility. At the same time, super-powerful kaiju tend to have uber immunities.

If we were talking about Armor Mothra here, I'd agree, but I don't think Leo is immune to it...there isn't really a good answer to that either way.

But it is only to the front. Leo has the sides and the back to turn to as well.


Um...sorry, can you clarify this?

Also, Kumonga would be VERY easy to pick up considering Leo's strength, and such a thing wouldn't bode well on this not-so-agile spider.

Yes, but with eight legs flailing at him I doubt Mothra would get to a sufficent altitude to be lethal and still hang on to Kumonga.

Not while already in combat, and I don't think Kumonga digs that quickly.


Yeah, you are probably right.

Besides, what I'm trying to say is that Mothra's slow start is all it takes to down Kumonga. She's got lightning from the wings, a chest beam that fires straight down, a series of cascading beams that shoot up from the ground towards the opponent, an spinning attack that sends volts of energy pounding on the opponent, the ability to break apart and swarm the opponent, a super-hot tri-beam...


If he hits him. Kumonga is dully colored and very low to the ground. It's not like shooting at a Ghidorah here. Mothra either needs to fly low and slow, or nuke the whole area, and he seems reluctant to do the latter at first.

Besides, you're comparing the speed it took to wrap up Godzilla and Ghidorah to how fast it might do to Mothra Leo, a kaiju that is multitudes stronger physically than both these two Showa incarnations. And that includes wing power. If Mothra gets webed, there is a high chance she could simply fly right through it, her wing power being strong enough to withstand it, and then just pass right above Kumonga and unleash downward hell.

His physical strength can't defeat the total lack of leverage. Six small legs on the underside and two thin wings simply cannot break the whole creature free of the webbing. They'll be throughly gummed up.

And the stream of webbing isn't what is going to stop him, it is the *presence* of the webbing on his flight membranes, funking up his balance, adding lopsided mass, not to mention getting in his eyes.

[anguirus55]

In case it means anything to anybody, my opinion on the probability of the victor in this has gone from:

Mothra 60% Kumonga 40%

To:

Mothra 75% Kumonga 25%

So...yeah, I'm comfortable with voting "tie".

[kent]

Kumonga wins. Rebirth Mothra doesn't really have anything to kill the giant spider.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Kumonga wins. Rebirth Mothra doesn't really have anything to kill the giant spider.

Except all of her deadly beams that knocked around Dagarah and Death Ghidorah....

Or physical strength that would make Kong drool...

What are you smoking? Mothra has plenty of ways to kill Kumonga...

[anguirus55]

Kumonga wins. Rebirth Mothra doesn't really have anything to kill the giant spider.


I'm not sure kent is talking about the Rebirth Mothra the rest of us are talking about...

[Cole Deschain]

Kumonga wins. Rebirth Mothra doesn't really have anything to kill the giant spider.


Except for a beam arsenal that can induce seizures in unshielded viewers, maneuverability that Kiryu could envy, physical strength that exceeds what should be physically possible... Yep, ol' Mothra's in serious trouble here, folks...

[PyrasTerran]

Oh yeah...

Well, never let it be said that I'm unreasonable. That's why I voted "tie." However, Mothra seems almost to freeze up when confronted with a new attack. If Kumonga's webs gunk him up once, he'll hit the ground and lose precious seconds while Kumonga just keeps the spray trained on him. He can burn through a few layers at a time but the stuff goes on pretty thick.

Leo never froze up when confronted with a new attack, she was literally overwhelmed by a massive cyclone of Berum that came out of nowhere. The Berum cyclone is quick and furious, and has some advantages to Legion's swarm in how fast it acts.

Are the "Mothra fighters" physical at all? I honestly doen't remember. If they ARE, that just means you get lots of little Mothras stuck in the same web.

The Mothra fighters are energy. At least they glow it. Even if they are physical, Leo must first turn into energy to split into them, which nulls the webbing. Leo doesn't physically break apart like Destroyah or Hedorah, as he is not a multi-organism lifeform.

Um...sorry, can you clarify this?

The sides and back of Kumonga, which are unprotected.

Yes, but with eight legs flailing at him I doubt Mothra would get to a sufficent altitude to be lethal and still hang on to Kumonga.

Not really, when you pick up a spider by the top of its abdomen, as much as its arms flail it can't reach behind it. The back legs at most, but they're not meant for rending/punching like the first four are. Kumonga would be helpless, especially because Leo is such a small target., it'd be like trying to get a tick off your back in a spot where you can't reach.

If he hits him. Kumonga is dully colored and very low to the ground. It's not like shooting at a Ghidorah here. Mothra either needs to fly low and slow, or nuke the whole area, and he seems reluctant to do the latter at first.

He doesn't need to fly low and slow. He has 3 weapons that affect the ground: the mineral chest beam from where her legs are, that fires straight down, the jade bolts that fire from her wings, and the sparkling pryeroad which launches energy up from the ground. THis one in particular can knock Kumonga onto his back.

And color has nothing to do with it, especially since we don't know if this is a dirt arena or forested or whatever.

His physical strength can't defeat the total lack of leverage. Six small legs on the underside and two thin wings simply cannot break the whole creature free of the webbing. They'll be throughly gummed up.

And the stream of webbing isn't what is going to stop him, it is the *presence* of the webbing on his flight membranes, funking up his balance, adding lopsided mass, not to mention getting in his eyes.

His physical strength is still a step in the right direction in keeping him afloat, not to mention the ability to break apart would automatically null the webbing as he must turn into energy first to do it.



Pardon me calling Leo he and she several times, I'm too lazy to correct it :p

[anguirus55]

I hate this Mothra.

Mothra 90% Kumonga 10%, and it's too late to change my vote now...

But:

[quote[He doesn't need to fly low and slow. He has 3 weapons that affect the ground: the mineral chest beam from where her legs are, that fires straight down, the jade bolts that fire from her wings, and the sparkling pryeroad which launches energy up from the ground. THis one in particular can knock Kumonga onto his back.
[/quote]

The first two of those still require deliberate aiming. Whenever Mothra fights a foe on the ground (DG, KG) she flies pretty darn slowly.

But you've convinced me that it hardly matters.

[PyrasTerran]

I hate this Mothra.

lol, I love this Mothra :laugh:

The first two of those still require deliberate aiming. Whenever Mothra fights a foe on the ground (DG, KG) she flies pretty darn slowly.

The first one yes, Leo has to be right above Kumonga to his him. THe second one, however, fires bolts in a random set and have the hit radius of Leo's wingspan, Kumonga only has to be below Leo in some angle to be hit. The sparkling pryeroad needs more aim than the jade bolts.

But you've convinced me that it hardly matters.

Hey, if Kumonga realizes its fate, it can prepare to take revenge through its children, should it have an eggsac lying around.. :P Leo may be in a type bind if its got hundreds of young, possibly jumping spiders, swarming her.

[Grand Godzilla]

Mothra (Rebirth) wins quite easily. The beams should be enough.

[Black16]

I see people are still ignoring the fact that Leo’s beams don’t appear to be particularly powerful…

And the fact that Leo’s head butts have nothing to do with physical power (he should have been plowed over, as a simply physical calc would demonstrate. As such, it was some sort of “powered ram” not a show of strength.)

Now, Leo does have a few abilities that are powerful (the explosive seal used on Death Ghidorah, which takes a long time to set up) but most of them appear to be less powerful than Heisei Goji’s Blue ray.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. I’m not at all impressed with Leo and his flashy abilities. A few are impressive, but most are mediocre at best. Rainbow Mothra hardly put a dent in the juvenile GKG, but his lil’ feet were able to bloody his hide. The thing was killed by being dropped into a volcano. Heisei Goji survived such an experience, so it seems plausible that the Juvenile’s heat resistance is lower than Goji’s. And that’s Rainbow Mothra. We’re talking about Leo who’s even weaker. Come on people, just because the thing’s attacks are all shiny doesn’t mean they’re powerful…

[anguirus55]

I agree that Mothra's beams are overrated, but they are more than enough to end Kumonga's life with anything like a sustained barrage. Example: he laid waste the whole area around Death Ghidorah in RoM, and Pyras has brought up Mothra's "splitting" ability.

Hey Pyras, how would this Mothra do against Iris? <Evil grin>

[Black16]

I don't deny that the poor Spider is doomed.

Personally, I'm hoping Leo gets pitted against GMK Goji, all those pretty beams will get snarfed and thrown back at him.

[anguirus55]

HELL yeah!

It's tragic, though. One of my major reasons I was excited about this was to see Kumonga kick some tail, and look who he's matched with! It's like how my boy Destroyer always gets screwed in Round 1.

I mean, KAMEBA is going to progress and Kumonga won't. Guh!

[Gorjirus]

Mothra wins this just by flying above the spray and blasting Kumonga. And I fail to see how this webbing will just "gum up" her wings. What is to gum up? The only thing it would do is simply add layers onto the wings.

The thing was killed by being dropped into a volcano. Then where did the final Grand King Ghidorah come from?

[Black16]

Mothra wins this just by flying above the spray and blasting Kumonga. And I fail to see how this webbing will just "gum up" her wings. What is to gum up? The only thing it would do is simply add layers onto the wings.

Then where did the final Grand King Ghidorah come from?

Did you miss the ominous music that accompanied the severed tail burrowing into the ground? It seems fairly clear he regenerated from the thing.

[PyrasTerran]

And the fact that Leo’s head butts have nothing to do with physical power (he should have been plowed over, as a simply physical calc would demonstrate. As such, it was some sort of “powered ram” not a show of strength.)

In the Japanese media of anime, kaiju, sentai, etc., we see characters who are tiny able to lift incredible ammounts of weight.

It doesn't have to necesarily abide by any calculatory rules, Mothra Leo is simply that cheap.

I see people are still ignoring the fact that Leo’s beams don’t appear to be particularly powerful…

Against a kaiju with no beams and little resistance to them, it doesn't really matter.

And that’s Rainbow Mothra. We’re talking about Leo who’s even weaker. Come on people, just because the thing’s attacks are all shiny doesn’t mean they’re powerful…

I actually found this to be untrue.

If you watch RoM3 again, you will see that the wing designs are Leo's, not Rainbow's. So that is Mothra Leo fighting there.

Plot Hole? very possible. The series is full of them. The fact remains that was Leo and not Rainbow in RoM3..

Hey Pyras, how would this Mothra do against Iris? <Evil grin>

This Mothra has a very good chance of defeating Irys.

What is to gum up? The only thing it would do is simply add layers onto the wings.

Uhm, actually if Leo allowed himself to be shot up by the spray, he can be in a pickle if he doesn't go by the means to expel it. Even his incredible physical strength will not keep him up in the air long enough to be effective, although still much longer than most kaiju. Kumonga's thread is the best there is.

Did you miss the ominous music that accompanied the severed tail burrowing into the ground? It seems fairly clear he regenerated from the thing.

That's actually debatable. The second theory on that is that the tail becomes Death Ghidorah and the Cretacious Ghidorah didn't necesarily die, only his coming become prolonged.

Again, RoM is littered with plotholes, so to try and make sense of the timeline is suicide.

[anguirus55]

And I fail to see how this webbing will just "gum up" her wings. What is to gum up? The only thing it would do is simply add layers onto the wings.

You cannot fly with unevenly weighted crap on your wings. That's why moths and butterflies have to let their wings dry off before they can fly when they exist the cocoon.

If you watch RoM3 again, you will see that the wing designs are Leo's, not Rainbow's. So that is Mothra Leo fighting there.

Uhm...in that case, you didn't watch the same Mothra 3 that I did.

Leo is green, Rainbow is multicolored.

Kumonga's thread is the best there is.


W00T!

My campaign to get Kumonga into DDIII failed, and in thet first round of this he's shot up by Mothra Leo. It's hardly fair. This is one of the few Showa Toho kaiju that can legitimately kick Godzilla's ***. Anyone without a heat weapon is doomed.

[PyrasTerran]

Uhm...in that case, you didn't watch the same Mothra 3 that I did.

Leo is green, Rainbow is multicolored.

So is the Mothra from RoM3. Green, that is.

Watch RoM2's Rainbow Mothra, then compare those hippy 70's wings to the green-tone wings of Mothra in RoM3. This is something I would stake a valuable on, lest I be horribly mistaken.

My campaign to get Kumonga into DDIII failed, and in thet first round of this he's shot up by Mothra Leo. It's hardly fair. This is one of the few Showa Toho kaiju that can legitimately kick Godzilla's ***. Anyone without a heat weapon is doomed.

Eeeeh, I wouldn't go so far as to say he could legitimately kick Godzilla's ***.. He lost both times he fought him. Hell, he lit aflame the first time, I believe..

But he is formidable to kaiju without great speed/special abilities, I'll give you that.

[anguirus55]

Eeeeh, I wouldn't go so far as to say he could legitimately kick Godzilla's ***.. He lost both times he fought him. Hell, he lit aflame the first time, I believe..


Godzilla would have been dead without Minya. I"d say they are on the same power level or thereabouts.

Watch RoM2's Rainbow Mothra, then compare those hippy 70's wings to the green-tone wings of Mothra in RoM3. This is something I would stake a valuable on, lest I be horribly mistaken.


http://www.tohokingdom.com/web_pages/kajiu_bios/mothra_leo.htm

Perhaps you are referring to this phenomenon:

By Mothra 3, her wings had faded to what may have been their natural color scheme.
(From: http://www.queenghid.bnetmd.net/mothleopage.html)


In Mothra 2, RM has the green eyes of ML, but in Mothra 3 her wings have faded a bit and her eyes are blue. Fairy (who always reflects the latest Mothra) is also very, very different between 2 and 3.

He ain't green.

I've ben looking for stills, with no luck. Maybe I'll scan my video cover...

[PyrasTerran]

Godzilla would have been dead without Minya. I"d say they are on the same power level or thereabouts.


Well, I can't remember Son of Godzilla. but I do remember Godzilla's Revenge, which came after, and Goji did it singlehandedly in that bout.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/web_page.../mothra_leo.htm

Perhaps you are referring to this phenomenon:


In Mothra 2, RM has the green eyes of ML, but in Mothra 3 her wings have faded a bit and her eyes are blue. Fairy (who always reflects the latest Mothra) is also very, very different between 2 and 3.

He ain't green.

I've ben looking for stills, with no luck. Maybe I'll scan my video cover...

Interesting.

Well it still goes to show that they aren't rainbowy like they were in the 2nd film. Perhaps a blend? It does seem to share features from both of the first 2 films..

[anguirus55]

Goji did it singlehandedly in that bout.

Yeees...but that bout was just selected highlights of the first bout! LOL

Like I said, I consider them equal.

[Husnock]

Originally, I though this would be your everyday average overkill, but thanks to ang, Kumonga has a slightly better chance then I would've thought (my money's still on Leo, though)...

As for RoM3, for what little it's worth, she did change into Aqua Mothra just before she went Lightspeed...

And Pyras, I actually believe that Irys would be the victor of that match. For what it's worth.;) Just so long as she doesn't don the Armor (but then again, any Kaiju would be screwed by that, Irys just being one of many potential victims).

[PyrasTerran]

I have my doubts, especially since Leo can fly 6 Mach's faster than Irys, and can push around 300,000 tons(granted her weight is adjusted accordingly to Goji Heisei standards) with little struggle.

[DragonLord]

Mothra's beams and speed should be enough to take down the super-spider.

[Husnock]

I have my doubts, especially since Leo can fly 6 Mach's faster than Irys, and can push around 300,000 tons(granted her weight is adjusted accordingly to Goji Heisei standards) with little struggle.True, but Irys can also shred Leo's likely-thinner-than-Gamera's-shell wings, and has those big ol' spears to run her through if she tries to use that blistering strength of hers (which wouldn't be good, considering Leo's small and compact size/shape). Plus his pain tolerance would help him through the initial beam-blizzard he'd be faced with...

[anguirus55]

How/why did this get moved out here?

[PyrasTerran]

True, but Irys can also shred Leo's likely-thinner-than-Gamera's-shell wings, and has those big ol' spears to run her through if she tries to use that blistering strength of hers (which wouldn't be good, considering Leo's small and compact size/shape). Plus his pain tolerance would help him through the initial beam-blizzard he'd be faced with...

Irys will have to hit him first for any of it to matter, and Leo's size actually helps him. The spears aren't fast enough to get Leo whilst he charges, and Leo isn't numb-skulled enough to fall for it.

Though you bring up a good point about being able to take what Leo dishes out.

How/why did this get moved out here?

I forgot..

[Raptor]

How/why did this get moved out here?This was a Round One match from SECOND STRING SLAUGHTER. We're now into Round Two so I figured if anyone might have missed it initially, the topic will be here for further discussion. :)

[anguirus55]

I know...but why only this one? It certainly wasn't the only interesting discussion...

[EternalMothra]

I think Mothra would win this battle. She can dodge Kumonga's silk attack then Mothra would use some of her attacks and defeat Kumonga. It would be a good battle though.