" Heisi " Yonggary vs Showa Gojira

[RexRaptor]

Why not? I mean, both of them are exstremely inteligent, know kung-fu and wrestleing moves, and, decent dodgeing. Note: Showa Goji is scaled to Yonggary's size, so that Goji wont look like a pip-squeek. And, this is the " Every-kaijuu was kung-fu fighting " versoin.

[Gorjirus]

Uh.... Yonggary slaughters Godzilla IMO. Now, I really like Godzilla, but even if this is a HtH only fight, Yonggary's extremely long arms are going to win him this match. Yonggary is most likely still stronger than Godzilla scaled to size.

[Showa Godzilla]

^ Sorry but I doubt that.Showa Goji lifted Showa Ghidorah over his back and drop slammed Megalon.He also spun Hedorah around in the first battle they had.Ghidorah is 10,000 tons heavier and Megalon is twice as heavy.I dont know the weight of Hedorah during the first battle.He also Lifted Titanosaurus up and only dropped him after MG blasted him.He also picked MG up and Tossed him over into the ditch.Showa Godzilla's beam may not be really powerful but if you remember it Killed mothra in ONE hit.it also set a dead Anguirus ablaze,Blow a Kamacurus to Peices Knocked Gigan out of The Sky.His beam isn't as weak as People say.Just because he can use it weaker than usual doesn't mean it's weak.That's like Saying Heisei Godzilla's beam is weak beacause it didn't Kill Battra.Showa Goji is Great at HTH Combat and he is Quite Strong.It would be a tough Fight but after a long Fight I Think Showa Goji will Win.Also Yong seemed Pretty timid during most of his fight with Cyker.
People have been underrating Showa G and Overrating Heisei Yongarry.

[Melkor]

^ I'm going to have to agree with that. Showa Godzilla is an extremly smart combatant, and his physical fighting prowess should not be underestimated as well. True, his beam might not be the strongest, but I'd wager that it's still up to par or possibly stronger than Yonggary. And besides, Yong seemed at best a timid fighter to me. While Yonggary has the shield, recall that Showa Goji also has other abilites at his disposal, including magnetism, flight via his beam, etc., etc. Yonggary might have longer arms, but hey, Goji can slide on his tail. This fight won't be that easy, but in the end I think Goji can pull through, thanks to his superior fighting skills.



Peace,



Melkor



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[RexRaptor]

Hmm, i think this would be a stale-mate. Personaly, i think Showa-Goji has better HtH skills, but Yonggary has a powerful fire-ball. So it comes down to what ever fighting style that is most dominent, Beam Wars or Tooth and Claw. But, if its a equal combo of both, im going to say Yonggary wins, but not after Showa gives him all-out hell.

[PyrasTerran]

I've been seen alot of my old Showa movies.

I believe Showa Godzilla to be one of the best kaiju fighters around.

What he might lack in durability and beam strenght, he more than makes up for in intelligence and fighting prowess. This is a kaiju that can coordinate attacks with allies, something Yonggary never showed a hint of intelligence-wise.

Yonggary was far from impressive in my book, and a Showa Godzilla about his size only worsens his chances.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Yonggary wins this, but not without a good fight.

His fireballs ARE strong, they are just very variable throughout the movie. Don't believe me? Check out Black's post in the Yvs.SG thread. The weaker ones are half as strong as the Spiral Ray, which beats Showa Godzilla in firepower right there, but, heres the kicker, the powered up fireballs he slings at Cykor, are several times more powerful than the Spiral Ray.

Thanks for Black for the calcs.

So yeah, Yonggary isn't being overated guys, he IS that good. He is not slow or lumbering, if you guys think he is, then what movie were you watching? Godzilla? Yonggary ISN'T Heisei Godzilla, he doesn't just stand there and take damage, he dodges it.

And unlike most Godzilla's, Yonggary actually thinks in battle. He aims for his opponents weakspots, he attacks with something other than his breath weapon, and he has unmatched agility-even Showa Godzilla doesn't compare.

Yes Showa Godzilla is one of the most agile and intelligent of the Godzilla's, but he's seriously outmatched in this fight, even without taking Yonggary's shield into effect.

Pyras, you claim that Yonggary never showed any tactical intelligence in his movie, that is just absurd, he showed plenty of it, or did you miss half of his movie? Usually you seem unbiased against a kaiju, but you specifically are underating Yonggary here.

[SuperXAsh]

Weird isn't it? These were some of the same people who thought that Orga (Mr. Slow, Stupid and Lumbering) could take out the "Most Formidable, Intelligent, blah blah blah" Godzilla ever in the recent Desumachi. So what makes Yonggary 2k any different or BETTER than Orga? That and where were you guys when I was championing Showa Goji in the Desumachi? Where were you guys when I, Showa Goji more importantly, needed this back up? O_o

I'm not gonna post who I think is the winner... cause i'm feeling a little cheated by the fact that hardly anyone was at my side when I was backing Showa Godzilla in the recent Desumachi against a much more slower and stupid monster.

I like Orga (always have liked something new and different)... but I love Showa Goji even more... grew up watching his fights.

:kinggoji: :gamera: :kingkong:

[Showa Godzilla]

Aragorn I just watched the movie (well just the Battle).Yongarry was very timid when not controlled by the Aliens.He is not as fast as you think.He was fighting one of THE Slowest Kaiju in History.That's like saying Frankenstein is uber fast for dodging some Showa Baragon's attacks who aside from the one hundred meter jump was slow.Yongarry could never beat Showa G in HTT Combat.Yongarry never got upclose with Cyker probably because He sucks fighting upclose.And Rex.Yongarry dodged about one fireball.The other flew over him because of Cykers bad aim.Yongarry is Pretty light because he got knocked back Far by Cyker hitting him with his Claw.Imagine what Showa Godzilla can do to him(Read my first post in this thread).His Shield may help but Showa G has Flight and Magnetism to help him.Showa Godzilla will Kill Yongarry easily if they get upclose.

[HolyGoji777]

i also find that showa goji could take this. i think heisei yonggary is an average monster at best. i dont believe his fireballs are even CLOSE to godzillas spiral ray either. i think showa goji has a chance and i give him the match.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Aragorn I just watched the movie (well just the Battle).Yongarry was very timid when not controlled by the Aliens.He is not as fast as you think.He was fighting one of THE Slowest Kaiju in History.That's like saying Frankenstein is uber fast for dodging some Showa Baragon's attacks who aside from the one hundred meter jump was slow.Yongarry could never beat Showa G in HTT Combat.Yongarry never got upclose with Cyker probably because He sucks fighting upclose.And Rex.Yongarry dodged about one fireball.The other flew over him because of Cykers bad aim.Yongarry is Pretty light because he got knocked back Far by Cyker hitting him with his Claw.Imagine what Showa Godzilla can do to him(Read my first post in this thread).His Shield may help but Showa G has Flight and Magnetism to help him.Showa Godzilla will Kill Yongarry easily if they get upclose.

1.) Cykor wasn't very slow, I just saw it as well, he was quite fast compared to other hesei kaiju. Look at Destroyah and Spacegodzilla if you want to see slow and lumbering.

2.) Why would he not beat Godzilla in a physical brawl? He has a greater reach with his punches, and he uses every part of his body to maximum advantage, or are you going to ignore the multiple times he bashed Cykor with his tail, threw heavy punches to the head, or kicked out? Yonggary is just as good at HTH, if not better, than Showa Godzilla. The clencher is that Godzilla likes to show off in combat, Yonggary is much more focused in his attacks.

3.) 'Cykors bad aim' prove it. Cykor showed excellent aim throughout the battle, if the fireball missed it wasn't because Cykor was a bad aimer, it's because of Yonggary being good at dodging/shield.

4.) Yonggary didn't really have a choice in keeping Cykor at long range, whenever he got close he was flung away by tentacles, bashed away by Cykor's ram, or nearly choked to death by the tail ray. You attribute it to Yonggary being weak, but Yonggary took damage earlier in the film, and was not flung back. Your reasoning doesn't fit, it wasn't because Yonggary is weak, it's because Cykor packs a lot of punch. Godzilla never threw a kaiju of equal weight to him so far back by just ramming him. Cykor is definately Godzilla's superior in physical strength.

In fact several times in Godzilla's series, his punches proved to be quite weak, it took a lot of them to down Gigan or Megalon. Jet Jaguar, a kaiju constantly called a 'pansy' has a better track record with his punches than that!


5.) Flight won't help Godzilla. When flying Godzilla puts himself at a lot of risk, he is barely maneuverable. Yonggary showed how easily he takes out aerial attackers in his movie.

To Reapergoji: You not believing it does not make it not true, I'll believe blacks' calculations over your unbacked opinions anyday.


No, Godzilla has hardly ANY chance of winning this battle. Yonggary's fireballs pack more punch than Godzilla's beam, Yonggary takes hits a lot better, and Yonggary is much more strategic than Godzilla(I'd like some examples of his 'timidity' in battle please.). This wouldn't even be an issue, it's very close to overkill, if you guys(besides maybe Showa Goji) would actually get over your bias of his movie and watch it, you'd see that if Yonggary is just an 'average' kaiju, then Godzilla is a mediocre one.

[Black16]

Wow.

That’s all I can say.

I’ve never seen bias of this magnitude against a kaiju before.


Showa Goji said:

Aragorn I just watched the movie (well just the Battle).Yonggary was very timid when not controlled by the Aliens.

He had just been flattened by a blast of megaton proportions, give the guy a break.

He is not as fast as you think.He was fighting one of THE Slowest Kaiju in History.

Cykor moved at a reasonable clip and his projectile attacks had, on average, a 1-2 second delay. His melee attack certainly can’t hold a candle to the likes of Agent Smith, but they were much faster than, say, Orga. And need I mention that Yong dodged well over half the attacks thrown his way?

That's like saying Frankenstein is uber fast for dodging some Showa Baragon's attacks who aside from the one hundred meter jump was slow.

Slow compared to what? Orga was slower. Heck, Irys took as much merry time to haul back before a stab. What are you comparing to?

Yongarry could never beat Showa G in HTT Combat.

Un-substantiated claims are funny.

Yongarry never got upclose with Cyker probably because He sucks fighting upclose.

He tried close range with Cykor and got clobbered across the city-scape and through a building, he then stuck to long range, which worked much better for him. That called tactics, not weakness.

And Rex.Yongarry dodged about one fireball.

Two fireballs, one dive-tackle, two pincer thrusts, and one tendril attack. Not to mention dozens upon dozens of missiles. He’s no slouch when it comes to evasion.

The other flew over him because of Cykers bad aim.

Yong ducked under the second one, it would have been dead on had he not moved.

Yongarry is Pretty light because he got knocked back Far by Cyker hitting him with his Claw.

WTH? So, you think Orga has amazing physical power despite never displaying it, yet you think Cykor lacks it even though he does display it…? Cykor head-butted Yong a good kilometer + and hand-waving it away by saying “Yonggary must be light” is a rather sad attempt at justification.

Imagine what Showa Godzilla can do to him(Read my first post in this thread).

I doubt Yong will stand around and let Goji tail slide into him or let him grapple with those tiny little arms. And remember, all those moves were used when Goji’s opponent was already maimed, restrained, or both. As for the beam, scaled it’s slightly more powerful than Heisei Goji’s, I’ve never said it’s weak.

His Shield may help but Showa G has Flight and Magnetism to help him.

How on earth will either of those help him? If he’s flying around like a goof ball Yong will just blast him out of the sky. And the magnetism only works if he gets hit by lighting right before (or during) the fight.

Showa Godzilla will Kill Yongarry easily if they get upclose.

By all means, give an example of Goji killing another kaiju in melee combat. He can body slam Yong if he holds still, but like I said before, it isn’t going to happen. In Yong finds that Goji out-classes him in melee combat he’ll just back off and pepper him with fireballs.

And judging by how MG’s beam had him spewing blood all over the place, I doubt Yong’s fireballs will have any trouble blasting him to flaming giblets.


Reaper Said:

i also find that showa goji could take this. i think heisei yonggary is an average monster at best.

Care to support your opinion?

i dont believe his fireballs are even CLOSE to godzillas spiral ray either.

Wonderful. You have gone over my calcs and found an error in the data I used or my mathematics then. I’ll be happy to know where I made the mistake so I can correct it.

i think showa goji has a chance and i give him the match.

An opinion without support is quite useless.

[Showa Godzilla]

Aragorn,Yongarry did not Hit Cyker with anything except Fireballs.He never Punched,Kicked out or Bashed Cykor with is tail.He jumped up and got Bashed back by Cykor's head.Just Cykors head.Yongarry did not take hits well.He got Bashed back and He didn't get manage to get up before Cykor Lumbered over there.Also he Got Hurt by The Soldiers on Jetpacks.Little guns hurt him and he was about to teleport away.Now that is Pathetic.If He can't handle Soldiers on jetpacks with Guns Godzilla's Beam is gonna do alot more damage.What can Godzilla do to Yongarry upclose?Maybe he can do what he did to Anguirus in Godzilla Raids again.If Showa Godzilla is Mediocre I bet you think Showa Mechagodzilla,King Ghidorah,Titanosaurus,Gigan,Megalon,and are mediocre also.

[Gorjirus]

^Do you have the VHS/DVD or did you see the Sci-Fi version? That might help explain how you never saw the whole fight scene.

[RexRaptor]

Yonggary and Showa Goji, in my opinoin, are very evenly matched. Showa Goji knows varios styles of fighting, even american wrestleing. Were as Yonggary has a fire ball that, i think can be compared to Heisi Gammy's. So it realy all comes down to who gives the first blow, cause after that, it may be over quickly.

[HolyGoji777]

Reaper Said:

i also find that showa goji could take this. i think heisei yonggary is an average monster at best.

Care to support your opinion?

i dont believe his fireballs are even CLOSE to godzillas spiral ray either.

Wonderful. You have gone over my calcs and found an error in the data I used or my mathematics then. I’ll be happy to know where I made the mistake so I can correct it.

i think showa goji has a chance and i give him the match.

An opinion without support is quite useless.
average because when i picture him up against what i consider to be an uber-kaiju...such as space godzilla. i think he loses 9 times out of 10. but dont worry showa godzilla would get his butt handed to him as well. so heisei yonggary is on the level with a lot of other monsters. so it wasnt quite an insult.
i havent seen yonggary's fireball do anything godzillas spiral ray couldnt do...if i missed something huge enlighten me please.

i think showa goji has a chance. but im going to reverse my decision anyways. i dont call this a slaughter by any means but i think yongs shield could prove quite useful...and showa goji isnt the fastest either. so i think the speed/shield will let him prevail in the end. hope this cleared some things up.

[HolyGoji777]

oh and i just went and read blacks "calcs" great you calculated the power with absolutly no reasoning backing up the powerlevels...and what are those guesstimates? howd you "calculate" them. i want a formula.

two this isnt the first of your "explainations" that ive read. but theyve all seemed to be extremely biased in one kaijus favor. for example

SG's Crystal missles : no just no.

thats an explaination? what kind of crap is that? and sgs shield is crystalline and i doubt its only useful against godzillas ray...kinda useless once hes dead aint it?

im sorry but your explainations are almost dare i say...fanboyish?

but back to the fight at hand...i think showa goji has a shot...but yonggary has a bigger one...id say the odds are 73/37 in yongs favor. and those odds are a "guesstimate"