2. Pulgasari (18.5-5.5) vs. King Ghidorah (GMK) (41-3)

[Raptor]

Pulgasari defeated Kameobas (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3564) (15-2) in Round Two and Gorgo (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3379) in Round One.
King Ghidorah (http://www.kaijuphile.com/rodansroost/kaijustats/kingghidorahgmk.shtml) (GMK) eliminated Gabara (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3561) (12.5-24.5) in Round Two and Jet Jaguar (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3378) (3-19) in Round One.

[Melkor]

I'm placing my money on Pulgasari, that is, until someone convinces me that Ghidorah wins. Pulgasari gets bigger whenever he consumes metal, is iron clad, and brawls like a juggernaut. Ghidorah might fend him off with his gravity bolts, but I'm not sure he'd be able to withstand a pounding from Pulgasari that long.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Cole Deschain]

Ghidorah can fly. Ghidorah has a ranged attack. Pulgasari is a big, durable brick.

Somehow, I don't see it working out for him.

[mechagodzilla3]

King ghidorah wins

[RexRaptor]

Hmm...lets see, GMK King Ghidorah has the God-Powerful Spirit Bomb, of wich will DECIMATE Pulgrasi. This is slaughter.

[HolyGoji777]

ahhh yes a bunch of votes by people who probably havent seen pulgasari. and flying doesnt help ghidorah much since he cant hurt pulgasari really. pulgasari can defeat this version of kg.

[anguirus55]

Ghidorah only appears to have a ranged attack while he's glowing, and he never glows for more than a minute, and that is AFTER some deus ex machina.

GMK King Ghidorah has the God-Powerful Spirit Bomb,

For the last time, NO HE DOESN'T! That only happened because of Mothra! Do YOU see Mothra in this match anywhere?

"God-Powerful" is an adjective to avoid, btw.

The only reason I didn't go ahead and vote Pulgasari is because I haven't seen his movie and I have no idea how he was ever defeated. But from what I hear, he's made of solid iron!

[Orga777]

Well Pulgasari is made of metal right. And Metal conducts electricity. So I Also think King Ghidorah can win then.

[PyrasTerran]

He's got a point.. Although the beams may not be electrical, I'm very sure the bites are.

If this is the full-power Ghidorah, then I simply don't see a way Pulgasari can win.. Ghidorah can fly around all day and zap him to oblivion..

[Cole Deschain]

Iron isn't that durable guys. Sufficient heat can slag it. Sufficient force can warp it. Yes, Pulgasari consists of tons of iron, but frankly, so what?

[ghidorahsaurus]

I abstain - haven't seen Pulgasari.

After reading about the movie, and the iron-clad monster, here are my questions: Does Pulgasari have what it takes to beat down King Ghidorah physically? Does he lift anything heavy, or break down walls with his finger, or throw large objects? Is he made of pure metal/iron, or is he some combination of metals and organic material? Though the fire did not harm him, what does everyone think the extreme levels and heat found in kaiju movies will do to him? Will King Ghidorah's electric bites and bolts harm him, or will they simply "pass through" him to the ground? How would Pulgasari react to a physical pounding - does he bend, or is he tough as nails?

I won't vote - but maybe these questions will help others figure out the true deserved-one here. :)

[anguirus55]

Iron isn't that durable guys. Sufficient heat can slag it. Sufficient force can warp it. Yes, Pulgasari consists of tons of iron, but frankly, so what?

Because if he is pure iron, electricity will effortlessly travel through him to the ground. How do you think lightning rods work? Why do you think they always tell you to get in a car during a lightning storm?

Plus, iron weighs rather a lot, especially compared to the organic or electronic nature of most kaiju. What if Pulgasari just gets him on the ground and falls on him?

If this is the full-power Ghidorah, then I simply don't see a way Pulgasari can win.. Ghidorah can fly around all day and zap him to oblivion..

He can fly around all day, but for every thirty seconds of zapping he needs a statue to fall on his head.

[UltraGojira]

Abstain.

Haven't seen Pulgasari.

[RexRaptor]

The only reason GMK Goji wasnt plastered all over the landscape, was because he could absorb the beams GMK KG fired at him. I HIGHLY Doubt Pulgrasi can do that. The only way GMK KG can be hurt, is when Pulgrasi is blown apart, and the shrapnal hits him..

[anguirus55]

^ For one thing, my point is that he can't do it at all. For another thing, he didn't absorb anything when the spirit ball hit him, because his plates aren't glowing.

The spirit ball WAS really powerful, and Ghidorah...hasn't got it for this fight. What a shame.

[Rainbow_Mothra]

He meant that GMK G could absorb the beams not KG.

[Solar_Behemoth]

"I vote for GMK Ghidorah because I've never seen Pulgasari before, but I did see photos of him and he does not look strong enough to win."

Although I suspect that is what the majority of votes for GMK Ghidorah are, I really can't say who the winner of this battle is...

Abstain.... for now.

[PyrasTerran]

Because if he is pure iron, electricity will effortlessly travel through him to the ground. How do you think lightning rods work? Why do you think they always tell you to get in a car during a lightning storm?

Lightning rods are also ground into the soil. If Pulgasari wants the same effect for him he would have to dig his feet in the ground. They tell you to get in a car because the lighting only affects the outside and is dissipated partially in thanks to rubber tires. If the car was ground into the dirt, it would have the same effect, but still..

And aren't the bolts gravity bolts?

[Aragorn_Strider22]

I'm abstaining. I still do not know what version of Ghidorah this is.

If it is his first form without the rays, then Pulgasari wins, nothing much Ghidorah can do to him-his electric bites won't do much to something that gets stronger when immersed in fire(like he was in the movie).

Pulgasari is also one of the smarter kaiju I've seen, his tactical brilliance in his movie was awesome. He'd definately find a way to harm and stop GMK Ghidorah, if he is in his juvenile form.

However, if Ghidorah is in his second form, his rays, which are now spiritual/mystical in origin, would rip Pulgasari to shreds.

So as you can see, the stage Ghidorah is in has a big effect on the battle.

And please people, do not underestimate Pulgasari like I did in the first round, he is a pure brute in combat. Not only is he one of the most tactically brilliant kaiju, but he has Gamera level heat immunity(it even makes him stronger!)

[PyrasTerran]

When putting King Ghidorah GMK in a match, he is automatically counted as being the full power form(seeing as we put kaiju to fight at their peak of fighting power, which is why we have Titanosaur still under doctor control, etc.). This is the full flying version.

[RexRaptor]

When putting King Ghidorah GMK in a match, he is automatically counted as being the full power form(seeing as we put kaiju to fight at their peak of fighting power, which is why we have Titanosaur still under doctor control, etc.). This is the full flying version.If thats the case, Pulgrasi dosent have a chance in hell. This is over fast, GMK Ghids is a very good aim, from what i saw atleast. And even if he wasnt, im positive that he would EASLY hit a iron giant. I mean, how fast can a giant kaiju made of iron move? Wherever there fighting, the humans better cover there heads from flying shrapnel.

[Omega17]

Ghidorah only appears to have a ranged attack while he's glowing, and he never glows for more than a minute, and that is AFTER some deus ex machina.



For the last time, NO HE DOESN'T! That only happened because of Mothra! Do YOU see Mothra in this match anywhere?

"God-Powerful" is an adjective to avoid, btw.

The only reason I didn't go ahead and vote Pulgasari is because I haven't seen his movie and I have no idea how he was ever defeated. But from what I hear, he's made of solid iron!
King Ghidorah's only attacks with his gravity bolts when he is glowing, but that is because he is choosing to attack with them, and so his body glows, because she is shooting off energy he is deciding to use. The glowing just doesn't happen every now and then, it happens when KG decides to shoot off his gravity rays. The only reason he stopped glowing is because he decided to stop shooting Godzilla with the gravity bolts because he saw that he was just absorbing thme. For the Spirit Ball, we never saw him use it again, so we can't truly say if it was just because of Mothra or not.

I hav enever seen Pulgasari, so I can't vote. Abstain

[anguirus55]

The glowing just doesn't happen every now and then, it happens when KG decides to shoot off his gravity rays.

Then kindly explain why after he fires off the spirit blast he stops glowing and then can't fire off energy again until the statue-falling scene?

Based on what Aragorn has said, I suspect I'm going to vote for Pulgasari unless someone gives me a very good reason not to in the next eight hours or so.

[RexRaptor]

Then kindly explain why after he fires off the spirit blast he stops glowing and then can't fire off energy again until the statue-falling scene?

Based on what Aragorn has said, I suspect I'm going to vote for Pulgasari unless someone gives me a very good reason not to in the next eight hours or so.If you forgot, this is one of the more INTELIGENT Ghiodrahs. The reason he stopped fireing, is because Godzilla was ABSORBING THEM. This is spiritual m0j0, not lighning.

[Gorjirus]

Ooo. I don't really know. This seems to be a very close fight. I will just have to abstain and see what happens next...

[anguirus55]

If you forgot, this is one of the more INTELIGENT Ghiodrahs. The reason he stopped fireing, is because Godzilla was ABSORBING THEM. This is spiritual m0j0, not lighning.


I said the SPIRIT BLAST! The one you yourself describe as "God-Powerful" and that Ghidorah only uses once! Because each influx of souls gives him a brief burst of power, characterized by glowing!

And if you are trying to say that Ghidorah is intelligent, explain to me why he hovers RIGHT IN FRONT OF GODZILLA'S MOUTH when he can fly and has beams?

Read what I write.

[PyrasTerran]

What's the point of this particular arguement?

When stating King GHidorah GMK into a fight, then he's going to have flight and the gravity bolts unless stated otherwise..

He got flight from the first energy boost(Mothra), and the bolts from the second energy boost(stone). Otherwise he would have used the bolts earlier.

In this fight, he has both at his disposal.

That's pretty much it.

:confused:

[RexRaptor]

I said the SPIRIT BLAST! The one you yourself describe as "God-Powerful" and that Ghidorah only uses once! Because each influx of souls gives him a brief burst of power, characterized by glowing!

And if you are trying to say that Ghidorah is intelligent, explain to me why he hovers RIGHT IN FRONT OF GODZILLA'S MOUTH when he can fly and has beams?

Read what I write.Why did he hover right infront of his mouth you ask? Tell me, if your shot at a distance, and then shot at point blank, wich is most likely to kill you? Same goes for anything. He thought he could take Goji down with some blasts at point blank. And we dont know if he cant use his Spirital Blast more then once, he only used it once, then died. If you vote Pulgasari, all it will do is tie it.

Edit: Wait, nevermind, GMK KG has this won.

[The Great MM]

GMK Ghidorah

- Pulgasari has no range, and he is fast on land, but when KG takes to the air, all its gonna take is a bombardment of graviton beams.

[anguirus55]

When stating King GHidorah GMK into a fight, then he's going to have flight and the gravity bolts unless stated otherwise..

Why? In the film, his power appeared to run out (1 min approx elapsed time) right before he got hit. Godzilla was just sitting absorbing power until Ghidorah stopped giving it.

There is a PATTERN here, ladies and gentlemen!

Ghidorah becomes King Ghidorah. He gets Mothra's souls. The souls give him a change in form (permanent effect) and a power boost (temporary effect characterized by glowing). He spends this power blocking Godzilla's attack and leveling the waterfront, wounding Godzilla. He STOPS glowing subsequently and is unable to use this power afterward.

The next cycle of the pattern emerges as a small chunk of soul-rock hits his middle noggin. Now, by all standards of logic, this is a smaller power boost than he got before. Mothra dumped all its souls into him, while these now are souls he was gyped out of in the first place because his statue was chipped. There is NO change in physical form and no apparent permanent change. He bursts out of the water and begins to glow...the same glowing as before, characterizing a temporary boost in power. He still can't do his spirit blast, his one truly effective attack, he contents himself with the obviously weaker mouth-bolts. He fires several salvos, showing the tactical intelligence of a grapefruit as he flies up to the mouth of Godzilla, the mouth that fires the ray that keeps KOing him. And as the glow stops, he just now noticed that he is screwed. Godzilla, sensing that he's not getting power no more, fires and instead of merely knocking KG out and winning the fight like every other time, blows the poor retard to chunky bits.

And with that, I vote for Pulgasari. A shame that I must vote for an ugly, North Korean kaiju, but...

[Orga777]

I don't agree with the "power boost" thing. I think that he had the power to use his bolts AND spirit ball again. He didn't because 1. he was under water for a whil and 2. He didn't get another chance. So I stick by the fact King Ghidorah will beat Pugasari in this fight.

[anguirus55]

I don't agree with the "power boost" thing.

Your perogative, but then it behooves you to counter the onscreen evidence I cite.

I think that he had the power to use his bolts AND spirit ball again.

In that case, Ghidorah must have about 1/3 of an IQ point per head because the spirit ball was one of the most phenomenally effective attacks I've ever seen, plus it was the only thing Ghidorah had to counter Godzilla's beam. If Ghidorah had used the spirit ball instead of the bolts he would have badly wounded Godzilla again at no cost to himself. Although the bolts served some purpose in that they kept his eventual demise from being an extended and brutal affair.

He didn't because 1. he was under water for a whil

What's this have to do with anything? Godzilla employed his breath underwater. Ghidorah employed his shocking bites underwater.

2. He didn't get another chance.

Excpet for all that time he fought Godzilla underwater and the period of almost a minute when he hovered right in Godzilla's face. Ghidorah is stupid (he could have extended the battle by many minutes had he flown around Godzilla instead of allowing himself to be hit) but he's not stupid enough not to use the only attack that ever wounded Godzilla.

So I stick by the fact King Ghidorah will beat Pugasari in this fight.


Fine, but tell me HOW?

King Ghidorah doesn't have the spirit ball. But even if he did, once, he would blast Pulgasari some distance...and then Pulgasari would get up, maybe with bits melted off but certainly not slagged totally.

King Ghidorah probably doesn't have the bolts at least, not for any longer than he had them in the film. But if he did, they would shove Pulgasari back and do no apprecible damage. They have little heat (not creating any steam with misses) and little real impact (forced Godzilla back but Pulgasari is much denser).

King Ghidorah has the electric bite...and since Pulgasari is standing on the ground and is a perfect conductor the bites will do zippo. In fact, KG had better HOPE they do, because if they heat Pulgasari up it will grow stronger, according to Aragorn, who has actually seen this film unlike most of us, including myself.

King Ghidorah can hit him...that would make me laugh.

I don't think this Ghidorah can beat any animated iron statue of comparable size, much less a quasi-mystical one like Pulgasari. It's no fault of his, he simply isn't suited to it.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

For those who have not seen the movie, heres a link to the basic plotline.

http://www.geocities.com/jrgdawg/breviews/pulgasari.html

Now I must say, I am not sure if the fire actually made him stronger or what not, but after being subjected to the fire attack(I forget exactly what it was, it's been years since I've seen it, I think it was a cannon attack) he started to glow violently, and he seemed to move faster. He also became more vicious and ruthless after this point in the movie. Before he had a minya like attitude, but after being blasted with fire, and buried, he seemed to get really, really mean. Heck it took a Majin like sacrifice to stop him!


He may not have necessarily gotten stronger, but at worst, being subjected to heat had no negative effect on him.

[PyrasTerran]

Why? In the film, his power appeared to run out (1 min approx elapsed time) right before he got hit. Godzilla was just sitting absorbing power until Ghidorah stopped giving it.


Actually, it seemed more like King Ghidorah finally realized what was going on, and stopped firing.

Notice, when he shot out of the water after the second power-up, he charged Godzilla and started glowing, and fired off the attacks. This could simply be the same kind of precursor Godzilla has with his glowing spines when he's about to fire an attack, except that Ghidorah's entire body glows. He was glowing the entire time he was in gravity-bolt-mode, but when he saw that Godzilla was absorbing the attack, he stopped. He couldn't escape if he tried, because Godzilla had him by the legs.

This is how I see it, anyway.

King Ghidorah probably doesn't have the bolts at least, not for any longer than he had them in the film. But if he did, they would shove Pulgasari back and do no apprecible damage. They have little heat (not creating any steam with misses) and little real impact (forced Godzilla back but Pulgasari is much denser).

I thought I remembered Black16-Calcs stating it was actually quite powerful. Either way, they're not really electric, they're gravity bolts.. they're destructive in force.

King Ghidorah has the electric bite...and since Pulgasari is standing on the ground and is a perfect conductor the bites will do zippo. In fact, KG had better HOPE they do, because if they heat Pulgasari up it will grow stronger, according to Aragorn, who has actually seen this film unlike most of us, including myself.

Actually, wouldn't Pulgasari have to have his feet in the ground to have the same effect that lightning rods do? That's how those rods are able to channel it into the ground, but if you leave them unbolted into the earth, the electricity stays in the rod and dissipates. If Pulgasari is smart enough to dig in his toes, he could withstand the attack, but otherwise I don't think he is so immune to it.

I had brought this up before, I don't know if you saw it..

In fact, KG had better HOPE they do, because if they heat Pulgasari up it will grow stronger, according to Aragorn, who has actually seen this film unlike most of us, including myself.

Doesn't he get bigger by eating iron only?

[PyrasTerran]

Now I must say, I am not sure if the fire actually made him stronger or what not, but after being subjected to the fire attack(I forget exactly what it was, it's been years since I've seen it, I think it was a cannon attack) he started to glow violently, and he seemed to move faster. He also became more vicious and ruthless after this point in the movie.

Ahah. Then this is what happens.

Being heated does not make him grow bigger, but it does heat his body up to high levels(hence the glowing), and apparently accelerates him, and pisses him off.

This means firey attacks would make him "stronger", as he'd have super-hot punches and grapples.

[anguirus55]

Actually, it seemed more like King Ghidorah finally realized what was going on, and stopped firing.


That wasn't my impression, though we don't really know for sure. The glow always seemed involuntary, as when he employed the spirit blast. When the energy ran out, the glow disappeared.

But either interpretation works, I guesses.

He couldn't escape if he tried, because Godzilla had him by the legs.


Uh, no he didn't.

I thought I remembered Black16-Calcs stating it was actually quite powerful. Either way, they're not really electric, they're gravity bolts.. they're destructive in force.

Calculations based on what? All it hits are the water and Godzilla, and Godzilla is absorbing them. The water just splashes around. If they are force-primarily, then each bolt only has the force to push a floating (well, treading water) 30,000 metric ton mass back a meter or two, which isn't all that much in kaiju terms. It certainly wouldn't budge Pulgasari if he was standing on the ground.

Actually, wouldn't Pulgasari have to have his feet in the ground to have the same effect that lightning rods do? That's how those rods are able to channel it into the ground, but if you leave them unbolted into the earth, the electricity stays in the rod and dissipates. If Pulgasari is smart enough to dig in his toes, he could withstand the attack, but otherwise I don't think he is so immune to it.

I wish I knew enough about lightning and electricity to properly answer you, but I still doubt very much that the electric bites can melt him or anything.