Nintendo DS vs. Sony PSP

[Prince of Space]

<font color='#32CD32'>Double vision:Gameboy gets duel screens

Sony gets in to the game, so Nintendo goes for two. A new approach to video game play - holding two separate game screens in the plam of your hand - hits the scene this summer with Nintendo DS. Players can manage game progress from two perspective, enhancing both speed and strategy, according to Nintendo, the world's biggest maker of hand-held game players. For examplein a soccer game, users can view the whole field on one screen while focusing on the player on the other. &quot;Having two screens gives the user a more realistic experience we think will be more fun,&quot; said Nintendo spokesperson Yasuhiro Minagawa, He said the company has not set the price of the new console.

Players will be no longer forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective or alternate between an ongoing battle and a map of the environment, he said. The game debuts at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May in L.A.
&quot;We have developed Nintendo DS based upon a compleley different concept from existing games devices,&quot; said Nintendo president Satoru Iwata. It features two 3-inch TFT LCD displays, separate processors, and semiconductor memory of up to 1 gigabit, most of any hand-held game device. Nintendo is introducing new features in hopes of maintaining its edge as rival Sony plans to enter the hand-held game market this year.

Sony, maker of the best-selling Playstation 2 game console, plans to begin sales in Japan of its hand-held PSP, which will play music, videos and games. The PSP will feature a large color screen, intuitive user-interface, operating system power by Windows Mobile software, storage space of up to 40 gig (175 hours of homemovies or recorded programming) and a UBS 2.0 interface to transfer files. Available in the fall, it is expected to sell for $400 to $500, according to Sony. The extra functions may mean PSP won't compete directly with Nintendo DS, Minagawa said.
&quot;We're on a mission to make the best cocsole. Sony may be marketing their PSP as a multimedia device,&quot; He said. &quot;Price is important. If PSP sells for more than $200 it becomes a different product from ours.&quot;
-Red Streak wires

Well, it may take a while to get used to, but it does sound innovative. That is, if they do release it.
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[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>I don't know. My first response to the DS is that sounds sort of stupid. Why do you need two screens? It might be better than it sounds, by initial response is that it sounds like a bad investment.

[Gamingboy]

First off, the DS is NOT PSP's direct competitor. It's the third frontier (The first being home consoles, the second being regular Handheld, the third being multi-screens).


Second off, PSP will turn out being a Neo-Geo. The only reason the PS became successful was this:

Nintendo and Sony had a relationship to build a disc system for the Super Nintendo. Well, that was, until they realized that N64 carts would be more powerful (which, they were, just the developers never took advantage of them... with a few exceptions). So the SNES Disk System was scrapped... but sony, being the rotten double crossers that they were, decided to make the Disk system......... as a new system called the &quot;Playstation&quot;. And it would have died, if it hadn't been that Square hadn't already begun development on a FF game on the &quot;SNES DISK SYSTEM&quot;, and they didn't want to switch platforms mid-way through.

But now, Sony DOESN'T have stolen Nintendo tech (if anyone would, it would be Microsoft... because they bought out Rare).

Lastly, on the REAL GB6 (Game boy 6, the first being the original gameboy, the second being gameboy pocket, the third being gameboy color, the fourth being GBA, the fifth being GBA SP.), it will have AT LEAST the graphic power of a N64.... and this time.... we JUST MIGHT get that Full-3d Pokemon RPG.

[Saruman]

And exactly how did Sony steal something that THEY WERE DEVELOPING? Nintendo wasnt making the disc system alone, they were working with Sony. Nintendo backed out and went with another lame cartridge system, the worst one ever developed as a Nintendo system to boot.

Was Sony going to just sit back and do nothing with the system they were developing for Nintendo? That would have made alot of sense *http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif and cost them millions of dollars in R&amp;D. It probably would have cost alot of people money not to mention jobs as well. Instead they did the smart thing and finished developing the system on their own. Sucks to be Nintendo now doesnt it since the PS hammered the N64.

You want to blame someone blame Nintendo for choosing to go with the N64 cartridge system and then putting out the biggest line of lame games ever made. Maybe if Nintendo werent the control freaks they are when it comes to their systems, they might have been where Sony is right now.

And the reason that the PS became successful was because it had a large number of great games, something the N64 cannot say it had.

As for the PSP, its going to sell well. Its going to attract people for alot of different reasons.This isnt going to be just a portable game system like the GB's, its going to be much more than that. Thats going to appeal to alot of people.

The Dual Screen system sounds like a really bad idea. Lets take the available space we have and instead of having one large screen lets make it into two smaller screens. Sorry but that just sounds really dumb IMO. I just dont see this system selling all that well.

[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>the PS personal I understand will run wee tiny disks no? I'm thinking that vigerous play, or a bumpy car ride will cause games to skip, freeze fail, ect.
multiple screens eh?..... I'm thinking about virtual boy... Not every nintendo product is a Golden Child. they' better get alot of software support or thats going to go no where.

[Mothraleo]

<font color='#0000FF'>I think sony is trying to get into the hand held act. According to X play ( may not be a fact) that the GBA is the only thing to rival the sale of a PS2. So, I think sony is trying to run the GBA into the ground as with the Game Cube. I'de laugh if the New GBA ( whatever it is) will have online connection lol.

[SuperXAsh]

Apparently, as found out recently, the true graphics capability of the Playstation 2 has not been utilized. This was told to the developers under Sony's flag, read about it in Game Informer and heard about it as well.

Apparently when fully utilized, the PS2's graphic capabilities are supposedly (don't quote me on this) equal to the X-Box's.

What's this mean? Means that all this time, PS2 games have not been using the true capabilities of the Sony console.

What's going to happen? Apparently, Sony's gonna start churning out games with the now known graphics and effects capabilities from now on for the PS2. Not patches, or add-ons needed.

Anyone got some more solid info on this one? I'm going from memory about what I've read in a magazine about 2 weeks ago.

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[Saruman]

When the PS2 came out, they went with a new programming language and new hardware. Alot of people didnt like this because it meant that game developers had to learn a new language and how to use the new hardware. Sony has a system monitor that can tell how much of the system is being used by a game. In all of there tests, only 1 Game was found to be using 60% of the capabilities of the system, most games didnt even reach 40%. So sony has decided to help the developers in learning how to use the system properly, This means that PS2 owners will be seeing a steady improvement in games graphically. This should be great for when the PS3 comes out, developers should be fully up to speed on how to utilize the system.

[Haku]

<font color='#008080'>I really don't see why Nintendo is releasing something that is so stupid. Yes, I am a big fan of Nintendo, but I think this idea is crap with a capitol C. Why would you need 2 screens? Why? I think this is Nintendo's worst idea to date along with the Mini Disc on the GameCube.

[RadoGoji]

Quote[/b] (Prince of Space @ Jan. 23 2004,10:22)]Players will be no longer forced to interrupt game play to shift perspective or alternate between an ongoing battle and a map of the environment
<font color='#FF7F00'>Back in my day, this was called pausing, and it was considered useful.

Seriously, though. Don't some games have a minimap or something in the corner? Why not make split-screen games? The GBA has a big enough screen as it is.

[MothraMan]

<font color='#0000FF'>I agree the dual screens is pretty crappy. &nbsp;The only real use would be when you need a map and still a dual screen is a big waste of energy if its just going to be a map. &nbsp;As for the psp its about time someone challenged nintendo gba market. &nbsp;Maybe this will help create better games for both systems with the competition.

[DragonLord]

<font color='#FF0000'>Well Final Fantasy X had excellent graphics, but the frames where shaky, especially the cinematics. &nbsp;Let's hope the PS3 corrects this. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Great MM]

Wouldn't it rock if WOTM 2 and GDAMM 2 uses 100% of its graphic capabilities?

[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>nintendo is reportedly coming out with a new handheld called the Nintendo DS. it will have TWO screens instead of one. the only example of the use of the second screen is for a soccer game where one screen would show a close angle and the other a wide angle. what is your take on this new system?

[memory creature]

Another scam just to make money. &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif

[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>many people don't think so and nintendo is projecting that the link up between the gamecube and the DS will be more in depth and be able to show more information.

[kent]

Nintendo has had a habit of screwing people royally on their products. Like the new Game Boy Advance, they decided you would need new link cables to play people on the Advance. What they should have done is kept the same port from the Game Boy Pocket to the new one. Same thing with their other systems. They still went to cartridges for the N64. Now the N64 was a mighty fine piece of gaming equipment, but Nintendo made the mistake of sticking with cartridge games. Therefore when the Gamecube came out, die-hard Nintendo fans had to re-buy everything. I dunno if there are plans to make a Gamecube 2, but there better be if Nintendo wants to keep its fans.
I do like Nintendo's games and gaming systems, but they jab you so hard cause they don't know the meaning of the word &quot;compatibility&quot;.

[RadoGoji]

<font color='#FF7F00'>GBDS= crap.

From what I understand, one of the things the second screen is for is so that you don't have to interrupt gameplay to see a map (although that's also known as pausing, and was good for going to the bathroom, planning out strategies, etc. It was real useful back in way day, I'll tell you what). My friend says that he hopes that the map leads to the house of the guy who came up with the idea, so he can beat him up. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>Though it is suppose to have a touch screen, with wireless multiplayer capabilities.

[DragonLord]

<font color='#FF0000'>I don't really see why they would want two screen for one game. &nbsp;It'd be kind of weird to have to focus on two screens, just for one game.

[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>gorjirus, do you actually think that nintendo would put that much money into many game-units? if they did they would really be in the poor house.

[Andross]

Nintendo pretty much already IS in the poor house. You know how much money they've been losing lately? I just recently read that they just cut their profit outlook for '04.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>Are you sure? Their sales are all up from this time last year.

And yes shadow. I believe that I read that on gamers.com. Try to find it..

[Shadow]

<font color='#0000FF'>ok gorjirus but i think it is nothing but a silly rumor.

[Dante]

<font color='#FF0000'>You can do a lot more than just see a wider angle, shadow. &nbsp;In games like Metroid and Castlevania where you have a map, thge second screen would show it.

I think the wireless multiplayer is possible and fairly cheap. &nbsp;The Game Boy Color had an Infared port. &nbsp;I agree with shadow on the touch screen just being a rumor.

[Desu-Goji]

Ive been having problems with the PS2 back then, and i wanna know if anyone is had any problems with it too? like, did it stop reading Blue or Black disks? cuz thats what i've had, i already found a way to make them damn Blue or Black disks work though.. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

And i think i also herd that the PS2's graphics are supposed to be equal to the Xbox, the PS2 games we have been playing were never at its full potential because of some kind of problem reading japanese or someting...errr i dunno....I think i read it in this forum...

[MothraMan]

<font color='#348781'>Well so far the ps2 games are not using the ps2s full potential. &nbsp;Also my ps2 plays black disks fine i havent had any problems with it . &nbsp;I would check the disk for scratches and listen to make sure the ps2 at least trys to read it.

[Saruman]

I have had my PS2 since the day it came out and I have not had any problems playing any disks. The only complaint I could even think of coming up with is that sometimes games freeze up, but it happens very very infrequently and I have never seen a system that this has never happened on.

And the reason that the PS2 games havent been using its full capabilities is because the PS2 is using a new programming language and the game developers havent fully figured it out. Sony has taken steps to help them though so we should be seeing a steady improvement in graphics for games now.

[DragonLord]

<font color='#FF0000'>My PS2 has problems with all disks.

[RadoGoji]

<font color='#FF7F00'>My friend's PS2 was messed up at one point and couldn't play blue-backed disks for one reason or another. I'm not sure if he got it to work or if he got a new one or something, but I think the blue disks work now.

[kent]

I've never been really sold on the PS consoles. The only thing that drew me to them at first was the great selection of games. I was planning of getting a PS but then Xbox and PS2 came out and I went with the Xbox. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif &nbsp;I have never had problems with my Xbox other than, like most systems, it freezes like 1 out of every 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000 playings.
My friend has a PS2 and he likes it, but doesn't think it's the greatest thing in the world. He also has an Xbox and really enjoys playing that.

My PS2 also doesnt work. It cant read any of my disk. I just bought a new one and it doesnt have any problems.

[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>The Playstation 2 has a sensitive balance system, and if you rent alot of games as opposed to owned titles the applied stickers on the rental disks (even the circular ones though not as much) can upset the balance.

As for not reading your blue and black disks: The blue and black disks are, as you know, CD's, and not DVD's which are silver disks. The CD's need to be spun at a higher rpm's in order to be read by the laser.
If you PS2 is not reading blue/black cd's it's likly that it's a problem with disk drive motor, which doesn't have to spin DVD's as fast because the data is more compressed on the disk surface.

However, if you PS2 is having problems reading any disc at all, it may be somthing as simple as a dirty lense, which can be cleaned with a quality lenscleaner.

[Varan101]

Nintendo, its about freaking time

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFi....ef0.mov (http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/b080225c-960e-4a52-a2c6-d7db10bdaef0.mov)

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>And have any of youi seen this sucker? It lookes amazing! With a touch screen, (Like I said) it looks beautiful.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>The dual screen is awesome. It now has wireless muiltiplayer. Yes!

[Project Pimp]

Quote[/b] (Gamingboy @ Jan. 25 2004,09:27)]
&quot;But now, Sony DOESN'T have stolen Nintendo tech&quot;

That's just plain funny any way you read it.

&quot;Lastly, on the REAL GB6 (Game boy 6, the first being the original gameboy, the second being gameboy pocket, the third being gameboy color, the fourth being GBA, the fifth being GBA SP.), it will have AT LEAST the graphic power of a N64.... and this time.... we JUST MIGHT get that Full-3d Pokemon RPG.&quot;

In my opinion, counting them like that makes little sense. I'd go with the actual changes to the system itself, so in essence: GameBoy, GameBoy Color, and GameBoy Advance.

I respect the GBA for bringing back 2D gaming in a great way, but it's about time they decided to kick it up a notch for real. Too bad they'll probably still use cartridges; please tell me I'm wrong. If so, their mini-N64 will be utterly crushed by Sony's mini-PS.

As for the dual screen... can you say Virtual Boy?

[Jorzilla]

With touch screen technology, wi-fi networking to play with people across the world, plus voice recognition, DS is gonna crush PSP (which only has a 2&amp;1/2 hours of video play back battery time http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ). Plus DS will have an original asking price of only $150, with hardware SUPERIOR to N64. It's gonna be SWEET.

[PyrasTerran]

The bottom screen can be used with a stylus pen. One such example of this use is a minigame where you draw in clouds to protect a falling Baby Mario. Not to mention, it allows you to see a full map and playa game at the same time. It's not useless at all.

I think the DS is revolutionary in a sense. But, we'll see if it's what the public wants.

[PyrasTerran]

I don't know if DS will crush PSP, from what I hear, PSP has a larger screen and is indeed more powerful. However, that's because DS is only for games.

[MothraMan]

<font color='#348781'>I think the psp is heading in the right direction by stepping over the game boundary and becoming more like a pda. &nbsp;I just hope the psp doesnt end up like the ngage because no one has an ngage. &nbsp;I think theyll be a great thing especially since the psp will link up to computers. &nbsp;I have a pda and like all the things you can do with it. &nbsp;It would be awesome if you could download programs for the psp.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>And I heard that the PSP has a 10 hour battery, not 2 and a half.

Another this is the purely electronic companies are excited about the PSP, but all of the game developers are more excited and enthusiastic about the DS, since it is more of a gaming system, not an all in one.

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (Jorzilla @ May 12 2004,16:40)]But I've also heard that the PSP my have an opening price of arround 300-400 dollars! http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif I think that it might try to do to many things at once, just like the N-gage.
Then you better get your hearing checked. Right now the target price for the PSP is $150, you can check the May 2004 Issue #84 of PSM to read up on it.

The reason for the price is Sony decided not to use a built in wireless system for the PSP to save on costs. But at release you will beable to buy a wireless card if you want that capability. The card will cost less than $50. You will beable to do direct link play though out of the box. I actually like this idea because it gives you the option if you dont plan on playing allot of wireless games. Plus you can always upgrade to it when you feel like it instead of being forced to pay for something you might not even use.

Oh, and the PSP is already a more powerful system than the PS2 on a polygon per polygon basis. The PSP is going to be an extremely powerful hand held machine.

[PyrasTerran]

Quote[/b] ]Then you better get your hearing checked. Right now the target price for the PSP is $150, you can check the May 2004 Issue #84 of PSM to read up on it.

The reason for the price is Sony decided not to use a built in wireless system for the PSP to save on costs. But at release you will beable to buy a wireless card if you want that capability. The card will cost less than $50. You will beable to do direct link play though out of the box. I actually like this idea because it gives you the option if you dont plan on playing allot of wireless games. Plus you can always upgrade to it when you feel like it instead of being forced to pay for something you might not even use.

Oh, and the PSP is already a more powerful system than the PS2 on a polygon per polygon basis. The PSP is going to be an extremely powerful hand held machine.

Interesting. That must be real recent, the newspaper I read on monday said it's target price is at $250.

[PyrasTerran]

I can imagine game developers would be more excited about the DS. Because, the PSP, as great as it seems, does not stray far at all from the PS2, except in mobility. The DS is something totally new(though early remnants of it can be seen in the connectibility of the GBA and the Gamecube), so fresh new ideas can be created with it.

I would absolutely love an art game.

[SandwormPhish]

Quote[/b] (Gorjirus @ May 13 2004,07:29)]And Nintendo said that you should be able to play people from across the country on the DS. I know what I am going to be doing in school next year!http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Funny because everything I've seen on the DS's wireless capability puts it at a short-range connection. &nbsp;If you're going to play people across the country that means nintendo needs a wireless network.. which would be pretty damn expensive.

[PyrasTerran]

Exactly, I seriously doubt it's going to have such capabilities to reach people across the country.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>A person from Nintendo said that people from different time zones could play each other. It is there. Just look for it.

Of course there is always the very low chance that I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I am right.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I heard on G4tv that DS has wireless capabilties but I think they over did it when they said from Washington D.C. you could play someone in Paris or something like that, but I do know it has some wireless abiltiy.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>That is because there is no link. It is from a television show. I believe it was G4 @ E3 on Tech TV. They were talking to someone from the Nintendo booth. Sorry.

Though I did just read on gamers.com that the DS will automatically interact with other units at 100 feet, but it will have online play (with no wires or direct internet hok-ups. I am guessing that this is what allows you to play people across the time zones.

[Project Pimp]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/11/news_6097113.html
http://portagame.com/sony_psp.php?skin=bluesky
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/516/516005p1.html

Some random articles I had posted on my forum. Also, can anyone clarify what the space on the cartridges are going to be for DS? I believe I heard 128MB but I sure hope it's more than that. PSP will be using 1.8 GB mini-discs, and yeah, I suppose that means it'll be a pretty nice MP3 player. On a disc that size, depending on what kind of files it supports, you could fit at least two high quality movies on it. This is a 4.5 inch wide screen, folks, not a TV so take that into consideration for the high quality part.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>I believe that it is only 1 GB.

[Project Pimp]

I just thought of something. GBA had a lot of software put out by companies that allowed you to stack a large number of roms on it -- whether they be GBA roms, SNES roms, or NES roms -- which came in the form of expensive cartidges in sizes of 128MB and up. You could apparently emulate these flawlessly on the system, with whatever was already contained on the cartridge. See here for an example.

http://www.nes-emulator.com/

With the capacity of PSP's UMD discs, well... I'd die laughing if you could be playing DS roms on PSP. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[RadoGoji]

<font color='#32CD32'>I saw both of them on G4, and I take back everything bad I may have said about DS in the past. I think it looks pretty good, and the stuff that it can do (wi-fi capabilities, touch screen, graphics, etc.) is pretty good. The PSP looks awesome as well.

[PyrasTerran]

I'm leaning towards the DS. Becuase the PSP seems to be nothing more than a portable PS2. And for me, it's not as necesary as some kind of new gameplay, which DS offers completely.

[Shadow]

<font color='#348781'>Quote[/b] ] was going to a=save and buy a PS2 but now I am going to but the DS for all the cool things in can do its what I have wanted in a handheld game system.

Well I am getting a job over the summer (hopefully) so i plan to buy both if possible. ( the PS2 and some games, and the DS. HOO-YEAH!http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I would rather have the DS I am usually on the go or at camp almsot every month and it has online play. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/darklord.gif

[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>the DS right now is trying to impliment the use of a stylus for game play...
the touch screen is most definatly not a rumour, however since the DS is still in production it may be dropped in the final shipping product.
I wish them luck... but doubt it will succeed.

though the muscle of the system is comparable to that of the N64... and some the software test programs are variations of N64 titles, such as a four player mario 64, and a Mario Kart title.
on the developing table right now is a mutiplayer FPS metroid title, that uses the Stylus to navigate.. and shoot.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I think it will sucsede but the fact they have two handhelds might cause lose of money for both but since Gameboy Advance is the number-one selling Game system worldwide that shouldn't be a problem. I know I'll probably buy it and the first person shooter Metroid when it comes out.

[mechagodzilla3]

<font color='#0000FF'>I think Nintendo ds is really stupid. Whats the point in &nbsp;having two screens?

[Dante]

<font color='#FF0000'>I saw it a while back on Tech TV and it looked awesome.

It has the touch screen in it. &nbsp;Also, the bottom screen has 3D capacity. &nbsp;

It is great. &nbsp;I can't wait to get one.

[Shadow]

<font color='#348781'>Yeah, I completely changed my outlook on it after getting some more info. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gigan]

I know that I'm definately picking up a GB DS when its released, especially with the reports regarding the PSP battery life (since it has to spin a disc, the battery is reported to last a mere 2 hrs during gameplay. &nbsp;Sony is of course working to remedy this). &nbsp;

After watching some of the GB DS trailers released at E3, I can hardly wait!

GB DS games I also can't wait for: &nbsp;
Animal Crossing DS
F-Zero 2
Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
WarioWare Inc. DS
Metroid Prime DS

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>Actually, it is NOT a Gameboy. Nintendo has said that it is totally different. That is why it is called a Nintendo DS. The Minish Cap, Gigan, is going to be on the Gameboy Advance SP. Though the DS can play all Gameboy games.

[Shadow]

<font color='#348781'>Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!!! There's gonna be a F-Zero for the DS!? Now I know I am getting one! Metriod Prime DS and F-Zero are the games that have officially made me want to get one! &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Archaic_Avenger]

and theres a Sonic game snnounced for it. &nbsp;this just isn't good for me. &nbsp;now, all the games will be made for it, instead of the Advance, and i wont get any new games. &nbsp;this ruins the Advance for me.

Rodan2000

[Shadow]

Try to get a bundle pack or something if you get a gamecube, that way you can get a game free, but most Gamecube games are cheap (or cheaper) now.

[Desu-Goji]

Just buy a couple of games for both systems, i have both GC and PS2 myself and usually buy 5+ games for both, sometimes i just trade alot of games in hahahah! its better than keeping them and not play it...

[Pug Puppy]

PS2. Sony has confirmed that PS2 will be around until 2010. Additionally, many of the more popular games for GC and XBOX will ported to PS2. Quality titles that are original-like Dark Cloud 2-are out there for this system. Additionally, PS1 games will play for PSII.

[godofPH]

This is a war that is awaiting to be fought. The PSP has the PS2's reputation to back it up,but the DS has piqued the interest of so many developers with its two screens and it's stylus. I think the DS will win, but thats probably just because I LOVE nintendo and I will never diss a nintendo system. What are your thoughts?

[Emperor Violenjiger]

What..? What's a DS? Sorry, I'm stuck in 1992. Super Nintendo is around, and the NES is still in people's houses. I love these 8bit and 16bit graphics. The classic Mario and Zelda games are wonderful pieces of work... What's this PS2 you speak of?

[Project Pimp]

Here's a small thread with links and images pertaining to both the DS and its competitor, the PSP.

http://www.masercity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24003#24003

I hope you find it helpful. I would say the main differences, games aside are that the PSP is more advanced, technology-wise, while the DS is more advanced, innovation-wise.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

The thing I don't like about the Psp is the fact it uses discs. I want to be able to drive down a road and not have the game jump. Plus I like the stylus and Doulbe Screen idea a lot.

[Gorjirus]

It has online abilities, using Wi-Fi technology.

[kent]

I really don't know much about either of these systems, but I have seen the graphic capabilities of the PSP and, while I am not a huge PS fan, they are pretty nifty for a handheld. And from what I've heard, the DS is also supposed to deliver some really nice goods as well. In fact, as we speak, along with the DS itself, there are 120 games in development. Which I don't think the PSP can say at this point in time.
Both systems spark my interest. I don't know if the DS will be using discs or not, but I know that the disc thing for the PSP just seems a little too "dumb" to do. Like one member says, you wanna be able to play your games while on the road and to not have the game skip. Also, from what I've heard, the PSP is going to be more expensive.
In the end, while I wouldn't mind having both, my budget at the time can only support one. I most likely will end up getting a DS because Nintendo is a pretty reliable company plus I enjoy many of their games. Also, they will have a ton of games to choose from right off the bat unlike the PSP which will probably have around 5 at least. I will only get a PSP if something drastic comes up with the system like a cool game or some awesome features. Otherwise, I'm sticking with the DS.

[godofPH]

It will also have instant messenging abilitys within 30 ft with the game "PictoChat" just another way to drive america's teachers crazy.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Plus Metroid: Hunters looks awesome. Plus you get to play GBA games, I think, on it. I'll get it just for Metroid: Hunters though.

[Raptor]

It will also have instant messenging abilitys within 30 ft with the game "PictoChat" just another way to drive america's teachers crazy.
I saw the reference to "skip" while on the road and I'm hoping only PASSENGERS are playing with these things in vehicles. :crazy:

Is it too much trouble to actually TALK to someone 30 feet away nowadays or does everyone have to use a contrived device to communicate? As for driving teachers crazy, common sense should tell you to leave the things at home.

[RexRaptor]

Dude, it's not going to skip. Like a decade ago, CD players started using anti-skip technology, where they periodically load information into the player as a backup in case it fails to read the CD at any moment. Least, I think that's how that works. In any case, I'm concerned about the battery life in the PSP. I like that it uses mini-discs because they plan to sell blank ones that YOU COULD STORE 1.8GB of MP3S OR VIDEO ON. But if the internal battery doesn't stay charged for long, it wouldn't really be worth it.

I guess the DS has the same problems with batteries, but I'm more interested in the wireless capabilities. All this talk about instant messaging and stuff. First off, I have to wonder, is there going to be a monthly fee for this? Because they're really prancing about like it's friggin' free. Second of all, does anyone want their kid talking to strangers on a PORTABLE GAMING DEVICE? "DS Pedophiles" might be the next big news story.Nintendo already dominates the HandHeld world, they have for years, i dont see how some new portable will even make a dent in the Nintendo Power House.

[mechagodzilla3]

Im going to get PSP. Ive heard a lot of good stuff about it. Plus ill do any thing to get my hands on Metal gear solid 4 acid.

[PyrasTerran]

Dude, it's not going to skip. Like a decade ago, CD players started using anti-skip technology, where they periodically load information into the player as a backup in case it fails to read the CD at any moment. Least, I think that's how that works. In any case, I'm concerned about the battery life in the PSP. I like that it uses mini-discs because they plan to sell blank ones that YOU COULD STORE 1.8GB of MP3S OR VIDEO ON. But if the internal battery doesn't stay charged for long, it wouldn't really be worth it.

I guess the DS has the same problems with batteries, but I'm more interested in the wireless capabilities. All this talk about instant messaging and stuff. First off, I have to wonder, is there going to be a monthly fee for this? Because they're really prancing about like it's friggin' free. Second of all, does anyone want their kid talking to strangers on a PORTABLE GAMING DEVICE? "DS Pedophiles" might be the next big news story.

that is the biggest concern about the PSP. The DS hardly has the battery problem that PSP has because the DS runs on cartridges, and the PSP runs on mini-CD's mini-CD's need to be spun really really fast, and spun constantly. That takes alot of power.

No, the IMing isn't something you pay for. It's wireless within a group of people, I believe. ANd it's not exactly IMing more than an actual thing called Picto-Chat.

It works kind of like the Gameboy Color's wireless connector, except thousand times better.

So don't worry, we won't be getting pedophile problems, unless you pit the greasy man and the child in the same room ;)

[Zearatul]

I'm more for online play! 30 ft... hmm... oh well still is longer then any connector cord nintendo's released!

[Project Pimp]

The new MG game is called Metal Gear Acid, and I agree, it does look tempting. But when you look at the big picture, is Sony gonna be able to keep up with fresh and original titles for the PSP? Sure it'll have near PS2 graphics, but come on, why would anyone want to play those titles on a portable when you could play it on a bigscreen TV with surround sound?

I also totally forgot about the disc needing a motor to spin it, that definitely is going to be a problem. Yeah it's the year 2004, but if you ask me, carts for portables definitely have an advantage. Hell, top of the line MP3 players don't use discs, they use something pretty much equilavent to a cartridge. In any case, I'm a huge fan of oldschool gaming, and I'll probably stick with Nintendo for the handheld stuff if not just for the promise of more old titles being ported.

Sony owns consoles, but Nintendo owns portables. Of course, things can change, and I'll be keeping a close eye on further developements.

[PyrasTerran]

The DS will have cartriges? This is the year 2004, correct?

It's a handheld portable system, not a game console. Cartridges work best for battery power in handhelds, and it's the prime reason Nintendo dominates the handheld market. If there's one thing you shouldn't doubt about the DS, it's its battery life.

I'd probably get the PSP, simply because of the adult oriented games like Metal Gear solid, plus I'd love a portable Movie player.

I get so aggravated when people call Nintendo "kiddy" when they're the ones with Resident Evil, Eternal Dark, and Metroid Prime :laugh: Metroid Prime: Hunters is going to be for the DS. Lemme tell you, it looks great.

And I do hope you realize that the PSP plays mini-CD's. That means you can't bring your DVD collection with you, you will have to buy separate mini-discs of yoru favorite flicks(or possibly load them into blank mini-discs).

But when you look at the big picture, is Sony gonna be able to keep up with fresh and original titles for the PSP? Sure it'll have near PS2 graphics, but come on, why would anyone want to play those titles on a portable when you could play it on a bigscreen TV with surround sound?

Besides battery power, that's the PSP's biggest challenge. Against something as unique and innovative as the DS, what the PSP has to offer must be worth more than a PS2(which, thanks to the mini-screen, can become somewhat portable as well. An adaptor for the car, and you're set to playin' it on long car rides).

Sony owns consoles, but Nintendo owns portables. Of course, things can change, and I'll be keeping a close eye on further developements.

We'll never know until the two pieces are out on the street. Personally, I don't think Nintendo can screw up any worse than with Virtual Boy, and Sony has so much money it may not affect them as much as it would Nintendo if their handheld doesn't work out.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I saw the reference to "skip" while on the road and I'm hoping only PASSENGERS are playing with these things in vehicles. :crazy: Yeah thats what I meant:laugh: .

The DS has a lot going for it though. Touch Screen, Wirless Gaming built in, and two scrrens which can help a lot. Like for the Mario Kart DS one screen is a map of the course and the other is of your car. No need to have it clutter up your view of the course.

[Project Pimp]

I hope most companies come up with something more interesting than using the second screen for a map...

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

Personally I'll be getting a DS probably not til a long while after it's released though it's supposed to cost around $200 or so and I'm rarely a big spender.One thing I like about Nintendo's handheld systems is backwards compatibility you don't need to worry about not being able to play your games when you can have it all on one system it's great!I haven't seen all the games that are coming out for the DS but so far I know a new,that's right new Mario Bros. game is coming out and from the screenshots I've seen it looks awesome.Metroid Hunter? sounds good to me throw it in the cart.I have to start saving...

[RexRaptor]

Yea, when Nintendo releases a new handheld or a new system, they have there Big Guns there to help sell it, such as, Mario, Link, Samus, Donkey Kong, and such.

[Baryonyx13]

I think the DS will get a boost too because there are alot of kids who will buy anything for a new pokemon game.:p

[PyrasTerran]

i read in a few of my gaming magazines (i subscribe to egm and psm) that one of the screens on the DS will be touch sensitive. didnt hear that mentioned yet.

Pretty old news, but yeah. The DS comes with a stylus pen and everything. One of the stylus demos(made only to show what it's capable of) they showed was having to draw clouds to keep Baby Mario from falling. For animal crossing, it's going to control your entire menu screen,a nd you will be able to type messages much faster thanks to it. There's also pictochat, the DS' "Instant messenger game". Besides messages, you can also draw pictures and relay it to friends nearby.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Well they have a new game of those coming out. LeafGreen and FireRed. Both will sell big I can tell.

ReaperGoji the touch screen as been mentioned. In Metroid Hunters you use it to aim and fire and i think.

[godofPH]

Fire red and leaf green will use the IM thingy to do battles. But fire red and leaf green are for the GBA not the DS. Hmm,what would pokemon be like on the DS?

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

They probably use the two screens so one would be of your PokeMon and the other of its attacks and such. I don't like Poke'Mon so I couldn't care less abut it.

[Project Pimp]

Fire and Leaf are remakes of the original Pokemon game.

[godofPH]

Fire red and leaf green are NOT on the DS. There gonna be on the GBA. The games come out in september,months before the DS comes out.

[RexRaptor]

The main difference is in what each system has to offer. DS is mainly going to be a game system, while PSP is putting in a whole bunch of other stuff, like mp3 players, DVD players, etc. Basically, due to PSP's needing of all this advanced technology required to work this other stuff, and using mini-discs, the battery life will be drained in about two hours if you try to play a game. I think that due to all the extra stuff, people will find that appealing and buy it. My friends and I agree that while PSP will have better sales at first due to extra stuff, DS will do better in the long run.Actualy..Nintendo has perfected " Mini-Disk " technology...just look at the GC. The PSP is going to be big, clunky, and a battery DRAINER. On 2 double-A battiers, i say you'll get at the most, 2 hours of Game play.

[RadoGoji]

Actualy..Nintendo has perfected " Mini-Disk " technology...just look at the GC.

I know, but I'm talking about running mini-discs on a battery operated system, and not on one that is plugged in, like the GCN.

The PSP is going to be big, clunky, and a battery DRAINER. On 2 double-A battiers, i say you'll get at the most, 2 hours of Game play.

This is what I like to call "Game Gear Syndrome," as Game Gear had a similar problem, except it drained SIX AA batteries at a time. While technology has improved to require less batteries for more stuff, the battery life is still very bad.

[RadoGoji]

Do they not have AC adaptors? :look:

They might, but that might make it lose it's portability if the only way you can play for extended periods of time is by plugging it in somewhere. If some third party company makes a car adaptor or something for it, that would be fine, but until then, your not going to get it to run to long by itself if you were oon a long roadtrip or something, which is what portable systems are really used for.

[Saruman]

LOL, you guys all know that the PSP is going to beable to load and store data off the UMD's so the disc only needs to run when it has to? It's not going to be running constantly, which is why the specs on it say it will play 8 hours for gaming, 10 for mp3's and 2.5-3 for UMD(DVD) playback.

As for those people saying that its going to be big and clunky. Well I suggest you read the E3 reports from people that actually got to see it and use it. It's compact, slender and very comfortable to hold.

Something else to consider is that its actually cheaper for Sony to make UMD's than it is for Nintendo to make cartridges for the DS. So not only will Sony's games be larger and have better graphics since the UMD's are 1.8GB, they should also be cheaper to buy.

It's also been reported that Sony also has 99 Third Party developers who want to make games for the PSP already, since its supposed to be much easier to program for than the PS2.

The only question is going to be how much is the system going to cost. Most people are figuring $250 but Sony has said it wouldn't be over $200. Of course Sony has room to play with because of the sales of the PS2, they can intentionally take a initial loss on the system without it really hurting them and to force Nintendo to do stuff they really cant afford to. But then both systems are being marketed to different groups of people so really they arent even truely competing against each other. The competition is all in the minds of the gamers and people buying the systems.

[Saruman]

Something I was just thinking about.

The if the UMD's hold so much more information than regular gaming CD's do now, then wouldn't this be something to make use of for the PS3? Meaning that you could eventually have console and portable system that play the same games, so you would never have to buy 2 copies of a game, 1 for each system format. Maybe Sony is thinking ahead instead of right now. Think about it, if when the PS3 comes out you could play UMD's & regular PS1 & 2 games on the PS3 that would be huge. Then if you make the PS3 games in UMD format so they could be played on the PSP, think how hard that would crush any competition. It will probably never happen, well not just yet anyway, but IMO I think that's where Sony is headed. This is something that Nintendo cant really do because they refuse to move away from the cartridge system and we all saw what disater that resulted in with the N64, its scary just thinking about it.

[Sauron]

if the UMD's hold so much more information than regular gaming CD's do now, then wouldn't this be something to make use of for the PS3?
Just wanted to let you know that CD's aren't used anymore for the newest consoles, they use DVDs, which can hold upward of 17gigs of info (Dual-layered).

[PyrasTerran]

Saruman's right: As much as I love the DS, the PSP's design kicks royal ***. It's not too big and it's FAR from clunky, even having a neat cover for the top to protect the screen.

[RexRaptor]

Bah, this is Sony's FIRST handheld, nintendo has been makeing them before they released the NES. The DS will sell like HOTCAKES.

[kent]

This is something that Nintendo cant really do because they refuse to move away from the cartridge system and we all saw what disater that resulted in with the N64, its scary just thinking about it.

It's been said been said before Saruman that cartridges don't take as much time to load plus it uses less battery power to read the cartridges. Cartridges are still the best thing for handheld gaming systems. And people don't seem to mind that. The GBA is the top selling system right now. Not to mention, as we speak, Nintendo already has 120 games in development.
And what disaster are you talking about with the N64? The N64 was a big seller. Heck if I remember correctly, it sold better than the PS.
The DS, like Rado-Goji said, in the long run will sell better than the PSP. People more or less are just going to be curious about Sony's handheld system. Personally, for the long haul, I think the DS is a better buy.

[Saruman]

It's been said been said before Saruman that cartridges don't take as much time to load plus it uses less battery power to read the cartridges. Cartridges are still the best thing for handheld gaming systems. And people don't seem to mind that.
It's hard to mind something when you dont have another viable option. Now that Nintendo is going to have a competitor that can match up to it and has the backing to put pressure on them, we will see just what exactly happens.

The GBA is the top selling system right now. Not to mention, as we speak, Nintendo already has 120 games in development.
See above. When you basically have one choice for a handheld system then that's what people are going to buy. It's not hard to be the best selling handheld system when your best competitor is someone completely new to the entire industry. Again though this is something that doesn't hamper Sony. Oh and don't worry about the number of games the PSP will have at launch, it will have a very sizeable library of games to choose from. I saw a partial list of the Japanes release titles and it was well over 50 games, and that was only a partial list.

And what disaster are you talking about with the N64? The N64 was a big seller. Heck if I remember correctly, it sold better than the PS.
ROFL, OMG you are seriously joking right? Tell me that you are not serious because the PS is the best selling console system of all time. The N64 isn't even in the realm of being close to it. Hell the N64 is Nintendos worst system ever made by a very large margin. Thanks for the good laugh thoug.

The DS, like Rado-Goji said, in the long run will sell better than the PSP. People more or less are just going to be curious about Sony's handheld system. Personally, for the long haul, I think the DS is a better buy.
Right, just like the GC sold better in the long run? Just like the N64 sold better in the long run? Gee Sony has crushed Nintendo soundly twice now and if it wasnt for the fact that Nintendo was the only player in the handheld market theymight have folded already. The only thing keeping them above water is the GBA/SP sales. Their last two console systems have been horrible and were completely crushed by the competition. Sorry but the PSP isn't going to be going away and once people are able to see both in action, I think there going to go with the system that has the graphics, game size and versitality that the PSP is going to offer. The DS graphics are very unimpressive, most people can't stand cartridges and the stylus/touch screen isn't anything thats impressive and it's a technology with allot of flaws and problems, just ask anyone that has a PDA that uses them.

[RexRaptor]

God...what have graphics done to us. GRAPHICS DONT MEAN A RAT'S ***! There just pretty to look at, hell, STILL the top selling game EVER is the original Super Mario Bros. No game has even come close. And Nintendo is re-makeing the classic, you cant beat Nintendo in Hand-helds..face it, Sony is going to lose alot of money on this.

[RadoGoji]

I can't predict the future here, but just because Sony is making something, doesn't automatically mean that it's going to be better. Just because the console sales aren't going that well in America for Nintendo, doesn't mean that it's going to happen in handhelds. In fact, handheld wise, Nintendo has destroyed its competition. Game Gear died after a while, and that was GB's best competition. What have we seen over the times? Game.com (betcha 90% of you haven't even heard of that), Neo-Geo Pocket Color, N-Gage, the only one of those still around is N-Gage, and they're not doing too well. You may not remember, but Sony had attempted handhelds before in Japan, with a Pocket Playstation thingy, but that didn't even do well enough to make it here. Now, this may not say much about the PSP. In fact, from what I have seen, it is a very good looking piece of equipment, and does have some impressive qualities, but I think that it will do like the Game Gear and die out eventually.

Besides, one of the things that will make the PSP sell, like I said before, is the extra stuff. The way I see it, DS is a game system, and PSP is a multi-purpose system, like a PC. PSP boasts that it will be able to play DVDs and mp3s, and stuff like that, but people, I'm a gamer. If I want to watch a DVD, I'll just put it in a DVD player. If I'm on the road, I can use my laptop, instead of having to buy a new game system, and a PSP mini-disc version of the movie that I want to watch. If I want to hear mp3s, I'll burn them to a CD and listen to them in my CD player. If I want to play a game, THEN I'll use the system, but in that case, for most, this means that those other multimedia features will just sit there for the most part. (Just for the record, another handheld game system boasts multimedia capabilities. I wonder how that's doing...)

DS is NOT replacing the GBA, rather, DS is going to be a third franchise. I really don't see how this helps, especially since the DS can also play GBA games.

N64 was in no way a failure or a disaster. N64 was widely popular, as was the PS, but PS fanboys just like to say that N64 did bad to make PS look better. In fact, I for one have both a PS and an N64 and still play both. Some of the best games ever came out for N64. I don't see in anyway how N64 was a failure or a disaster.

Basically, this whole competition is sparked by fanboys. I, for one, am not a fanboy. I like Gamecube, PS2, PS, N64, and GBA (I only played Xbox once, so I really don't have much of an opinion on that). I'm probably going to buy DS, but will just play PSP and not really buy it. Both look good, but I'm going with the DS on this one. Despite what PS2 or Xbox fanboys may say, Nintendo isn't going anywhere, and to those fanboys, I say, "Get over it."

[RexRaptor]

Finaly, another person that likes Nintendo! Look, Sarumon, i dont care how you put it, the PSP is going to be a major battery drainer. And it will cost more for thows useless features. DS will be devoted to Gameing period. And, the cartrigeges, being cheaper, wont tax out power. Im betting your going to need atleast 4 double-A batteries to power the PSP, and it will only last an hour. Like Rado said, if i want to listen to music, i burn CDs and listen to them in SUROUND SOUND in my car, thows little speakers arnt going to provide much music quality. And if i want to see a movie-on-the-go, i pop-in a DVD in my car. Trust me, the PSP will cost more, use more batteries, lower game-time, and will just be a nuicence to use.

[Project Pimp]

Just wanted to let you know that CD's aren't used anymore for the newest consoles, they use DVDs, which can hold upward of 17gigs of info (Dual-layered).

Going off topic, but PS3 will utilize something called Blue-ray discs, which are similar to DVDs but hold about 27GB if I remember correctly. They also plan to make these discs dual, and QUADRUPLE layered.

[RexRaptor]

Going off topic, but PS3 will utilize something called Blue-ray discs, which are similar to DVDs but hold about 27GB if I remember correctly. They also plan to make these discs dual, and QUADRUPLE layered.You see, Sony has this " Thing " Were they exacadurate the truth just a TINY bit...they said the PS2 could push 100 MILLOIN POLYGONS. Turns out, only 10 Million, and there saying the PSP can turn out...30MILLION FREAGIN POLYGONS. So yea...the PSP is probaly going to only be able to turn out 6 million, while i think the DS can turn out 8 milloin because thows 2 screnes can hold more powerful video cards.

[Cosmos]

About the misinformation about the PS2's system specs, alot of that has to do with the akward programing architecture of the ps2. The PS2 could, by all means, excel graphically as boasted if you have the time and money that Blizzard has, unfortunatly few software companies do.
The folly of poor distribution of Software development kits for third party developers at the time of the PS2's release is a mistake I wouldn't expect them to make twice especially on entering a new risk market like handhelds.

as for the the DS, I have only two words.... Virtual boy.


...which I remember was also the third fronteir of gaming.

[Saruman]

You see, Sony has this " Thing " Were they exacadurate the truth just a TINY bit...they said the PS2 could push 100 MILLOIN POLYGONS. Turns out, only 10 Million, and there saying the PSP can turn out...30MILLION FREAGIN POLYGONS. So yea...the PSP is probaly going to only be able to turn out 6 million, while i think the DS can turn out 8 milloin because thows 2 screnes can hold more powerful video cards.
Rex you need to learn to read the reports from things like E3 and the major gaming magazines. The PSP is more powerful than the PS2 as it can push more polygons than the PS2, one of the reasons for that is the smaller screen, but in this case that smaller screen is helping the system graphically. But technology has advanced quite a bit since the PS2 came out and developers are now starting to fully understand the programming language that the PS2 uses, which is why the games for it are looking better and better every day.

Graphically the PSP simply blows the DS out of the water. Every report that came out of E3 confirmed that. Sorry but you can think what you want, but the DS isn't even close to the PSP on graphics. I'll have to see if I can find the stats someone did on a gaming message board the compared the two systems and shows just how much more powerful the PSP is compared to the DS, its quite enlightening.

[Saruman]

I, for one, plan to wait for them to come out and get some specific information, and actual performance reviews, before I make the decision of which one I want.

That way I can make a informed decision on which one would be good for me and my playing style.
Good idea Shadow, it's also good to wait about 6 months before buying a new system because most bugs that a system has are found and fixed within that time frame and a updated version of the system is released.

[Shadow]

Why do people care so much about what the magazines say. I'm just gonna see how they perform myself. I'll get a DS for christmas. I might try to get a PSP some time later. I'll just see how they perform.
Because, possibly, people don't want to spend upwards to five or six hundred dollars for two systems and games, and then find out that you don't like one.

If you read articles on them, and performance reviews, then you can gather more information, learn about thier pros and cons, and match them up according to what you desire in a system.

[Baryonyx13]

Because, possibly, people don't want to spend upwards to five or six hundred dollars for two systems and games, and then find out that you don't like one.

If you read articles on them, and performance reviews, then you can gather more information, learn about thier pros and cons, and match them up according to what you desire in a system.
The only one I've read so far (from Computer Gaming Magazine, I think) was a head to head review, and it said PSP was better. But we'll see. Maybe people can post some head to head reviews on this thread?

[godofPH]

I will as soon as I get my DS. Which will be in a few months but thats OK. I'll post a review of it. I hate to say it,but In the end I think the PSP will win. Because theres all those people that would never touch a nintendo system but would spend 500$ on a sony system, and because Even if the PSP doesn't go over well, Sony can keep spending money on it because they make every thing in the electronics aisle. :cry: Or Sony might spend so much money on the PSP that they go outta buisiness.

[Baryonyx13]

Haha I hope that was a joke, no way PSP could Sony out of business. They basically own the world elctronics market. Or at least they seem to.

[Baryonyx13]

Yeah just cause you don't like Playstaion doesn't mean that Sony should go bankrupt, they are a media giant that makes some great things. If anything (and this is not to bash them or their fans) Nintendo is more likely to go bacnkrupt.

[Burkion]

Okay, look. PS PS2 PS3 PSWHAT EVER are the new kids on the block. They still have to be tested, and put through triles. WHILE good ol Nintendoe is tried and true. They stick to things their best at. Also, by no means is GC or N64 failers. I beat you that when they come out with a modifyed virsion of GC, it will rivel that of PS3.

[Shadow]

You mean like Virtual Boy? :laugh:
The Virtual Boy failed because it was way to ahead of it's time and narrow minded people could not appreciate it...*Shadow instantaniously bursts into flame and is trampled upon by an angry chicken*

I never played the VB, but apparently I was lucky not to...all it looked like was a buch of red lines.

[godofPH]

All I know about the virtual boy is that it had a lot of red and it had bad timing. Maybe one day,there will just be one console,one handheld. Wouldn't that be nice? But it will probably NEVER happen. Heres how the rumble will probably go. Nintendo will go bankrupt and will be bought out by Microsoft. Then a HUGE *** WAR will erupt between whatever the systems are then.

[PyrasTerran]

Folks, it wasn't just bad timing. The thing actually gave people nausia.

[Baryonyx13]

The only one I've read so far (from Computer Gaming Magazine, I think) was a head to head review, and it said PSP was better. But we'll see. Maybe people can post some head to head reviews on this thread?
Whoops, I mean Electronic Gaming Magazine.

[PyrasTerran]

Why is Microsoft here? Are they trying to break out in the handheld biz??

[Saruman]

not that I know of. And as far as who's better, nintendo kicks sony's butt! (like rexraptor said)
That's funny since even if you combined the sales of all of Nintendo's console systems they still wouldn't add up to what the PS1 & PS2 have done together. Hell they might not even add up to what the PS1 sold all on its own.

[godofPH]

Oh, and Who ever said Nintendo will go bankrupt...go see a Shirnk...you need help..
I said that. I LOVE Nintendo to death. But I seriously don't think Mario will survive the long run. Sony and Microsoft don't just make games. Sony makes a LOT of electronics,Micorsoft makes the computer you use to surf the net!

Why is Microsoft here? Are they trying to break out in the handheld biz??
No,thank god. I heard they plan to support the DS!

[Baryonyx13]

I said that. I LOVE Nintendo to death. But I seriously don't think Mario will survive the long run. Sony and Microsoft don't just make games. Sony makes a LOT of electronics,Micorsoft makes the computer you use to surf the net!


No,thank god. I heard they plan to support the DS!
Yep. Sadly, Nintendo is a gaming specialist, and they are getting beat at their game (pun intened). It's a shame they have nothing to fall back on.

[Saruman]

No one remembers the original Mario game...it is still the top selling CONCOLE game EVER. Meaning, the original Nintendo is the highest selling concole ever. I realy think Microsoft will merge with Nintendo. They could CRUSH Sony.
Wow you dont know just how wrong you are Rex. For starters game sales dont relate to how many consoles are sold. The PS2 has sold over 70 MILLION CONSOLES world wide and its still going strong, but there isnt a single game that has sold 70 Million copies, its not even close. You might want to go do a little research before you post again.

[Project Pimp]

There isn't much of a contest. PS2 wins. It's the best selling, and has a truly wide variety of games to choose from. Also backwards compatibility and easy DVD playing are a definite plus.

Next up, I'd say, is the Cube. It lacks third party support, but the support it does get is fantastic. Not to mention it has a good selection of exclusives, the best of which being Nintendo's own games.

Lastly comes the Xbox. Though I play it myself, as I have all three of these bad boys hooked up to my TV, it really does have the smallest selection of good games. A couple current and upcoming titles are great, but you could also play them on your PC if it's well equipped enough.

[RadoGoji]

I believe that all the consoles have their high and low points, but when it comes right down to it, in my opinion, its all about what games they offer. From what I have seen, each console, while offering a multitude of games, has certain game genres at which each console excels. I do play GCN and PS2 quite a bit, but haven't played Xbox muxh, so I really don't have too much of an opinion.

For Gamecube, I'd say that their main excelling genre is Action and Adventure games. Many of their best games fall under these categories, and this has always been one of Nintendo's strong points. There are other good games which don't go under this category, but the amount of good games in this genre that aren't on Gamecube are much bigger. For example, Metroid Prime is a great FPS, but Nintendo doesn't have a high amount of FPS games on their system that are good, rather that honor would go to Xbox. Fighting games on GCN are a big no-no.

For Playstaion 2, I've noticed that the system really excels on RPGs and Fighting games. They're backed by great companies who make these kinds of games, like Square-Enix, Capcom, and SNK, and have been since the days of PS1, and the payoff for these types of games is pretty astounding. Great game series, such as Final Fantasy, Capcom vs. SNK, Guilty Gear, and a little known series called Front Mission (a Square series similar to Final Fantasy Tactics, only with large robots; very cool) have had excellent results on PS2.

I don't know much about Xbox, but from what I can see, it seems to excel in shooters. This may be due to the fact that most Xbox owners play Halo, but don't ask me. As for how much I like it, I played it once, and I really wasn't that impressed, but it may have been due to the fact that I was playing True Crime: Streets of LA, which isn't that great of a game to begin with. I've got nothing against the Xbox. It's certainly a good piece of hardware, and Microsoft certainly has something going for them, but I don't hold the machine in too high of a regard, as I need to spend more time with it. I should play something like Ninja Gaiden, which, from what I've seen, looks very cool indeed.

As for how the consoles sell, I couldn't care less. The status of console sales don't affect what kind of console I'm going to buy. If I learn of a console and want to buy it, I'm going to buy it, even if it isn't doing well in sales. As long as I enjoy playing it, that's all that matters to me.

[PyrasTerran]

Fighting games on GCN are a big no-no.

Now that's not really true. Dost thou so easily ignore Super Smash Bros. Melee and G:DAMM? I'll give it to PS2 for having the best controller for 2D fighters like GGX and the Capcom/SNK/Marvel series..






Well, it's no denying PS2 kicks everyone's ***.. when it comes to sales. Gamecube(and Nintendo in general) still is and for the moment always will be the side I choose in this console war. The PS2 I enjoy, but not as much. The Xbox doesn't have alot of games I am interested in(at least, not now. I will eventually have to get it for Godzilla:Save the Earth, and Conker:Live and Reloaded), and I really find its controller a bit uncomfortable(though they are taking steps to solve that, which is good). Not to mention, the GC and/or PS2 fit neatly in my car, fat chance trying to play Xbox on the road..

All in all, I'm personally sold on Nintendo, but I won't disregard the other consoles for their merits.

[RadoGoji]

Now that's not really true. Dost thou so easily ignore Super Smash Bros. Melee and G:DAMM? I'll give it to PS2 for having the best controller for 2D fighters like GGX and the Capcom/SNK/Marvel series..

That's basically what I was referring to. True, SSBM and G: DAMM were good games, and thus the controls for them weren't as bad as some of the 2d fighters were. SSBM was made for the GCN, as was G: DAMM (although G: DAMM was later redone for Xbox), so the controls were specially made for the controller. With a lot of the 2d fighters, the controller really doesn't seem to be made to be used with those controls. They did attempt something different with Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO, with a special control setting for the GCN controller (using the analog shoulder buttons for punches and kicks, and the strength of the punch/kick would depend on how much you puched the button), but it really wasn't that good, and the C-stick for special moves really took all the fun out of the game. I like the PS2 version a lot better.

[Shadow]

That's basically what I was referring to. True, SSBM and G: DAMM were good games, and thus the controls for them weren't as bad as some of the 2d fighters were. SSBM was made for the GCN, as was G: DAMM (although G: DAMM was later redone for Xbox), so the controls were specially made for the controller. With a lot of the 2d fighters, the controller really doesn't seem to be made to be used with those controls. They did attempt something different with Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO, with a special control setting for the GCN controller (using the analog shoulder buttons for punches and kicks, and the strength of the punch/kick would depend on how much you puched the button), but it really wasn't that good, and the C-stick for special moves really took all the fun out of the game. I like the PS2 version a lot better.
In Cvs.SNK2EO I don't use the GC-ism mode (except for a certain exception*cough*SHIN AKUMA*cough*), I go straight through on arcade mode, and don't have a problem. You just got to get used to it. So I don't think 2-d fighters are a problem.

[Project Pimp]

Can't wait for this one...

http://pocketmedia.ign.com/pocket/image/readermockup_012404_1.jpg

[Saruman]

Some new info on the PSP. Sony is including a new feature called Talkman. It will allow you to communicate with other people that speak different languages. For example say your playing a game against someone that only speaks Japanese, what you say to them will be translated from English into basic Japanese so that they can have some idea as to what your saying to them, this will also work in reverse so you can understand what they say in Japanese. More info on this can be found on Page 14 of the current issue of PSM.

[Saruman]

Nintendo strikes again.

From page 23 of the current issue of EGM (October 2004) regarding Nintendos next console system, currently code named "Revolution."

Just don't count on the big N to support online gaming (big suprise!). In a recent interview, company President Satoru Iwata claimed that "customers do not want online games."
Oh yeah, go Nintendo. :sarcasm:

ROFL :darklord:

[godofPH]

Nintendo strikes again.

From page 23 of the current issue of EGM (October 2004) regarding Nintendos next console system, currently code named "Revolution."


Oh yeah, go Nintendo. :sarcasm:

ROFL :darklord:
Did you read the entire article? Sony published some game (a golf one I think) There were 2 versions,online and offline. The offline version sold better than the online one did. Not everybody has the moolah to pay for online gaming. If a console really wants to strike it rich,offer FREE online gaming. But no one will. I really want to see how good the revolution (Next Nintendo home console) does. The people that are developing technology for the next X-Box are deloping the next Gamecube.

[Saruman]

Did you read the entire article? Sony published some game (a golf one I think) There were 2 versions,online and offline. The offline version sold better than the online one did. Not everybody has the moolah to pay for online gaming. If a console really wants to strike it rich,offer FREE online gaming. But no one will. I really want to see how good the revolution (Next Nintendo home console) does. The people that are developing technology for the next X-Box are deloping the next Gamecube.
What are you talking about, the article mentions nothing about a Golf Game and yes, I read the article more than once, and it's sitting right here infront of me. The future of console gaming is Online thats a reality and a fact. If Nintendo doesn't realize this, then I'm sorry but they are not going even be a factor in the next wave of consoles. I wouldn't even look at a console system in the next wave if it doesn't have online abilities.

[godofPH]

Sorry,I was thinking of a different article I read at a different site. Why do people care so much about hard drive and online and graphics these days? What happened to just careing about the all around fun of the game itself? Online gameplay is just a fad. In about 10 or 20 years it'll probably be satellite gameplay. Why is it so much trouble these days to invite friends over to play games? But I won't have this attitude in about 6 months. I'll have a ps2 then. Online would be a LOT better if you didn't have to pay. In ten years, they probably will have virtual reality for the home console. If you have a problem with my single minded opinions,just wait,they'll change soon.

[MirrenDono]

Aye, I am a firm fan of Nintendo, a very loyal fan at that. It has been and will forever be my favorite gaming company.


Gamecube is sadly underrated. It has sooooo many awesome games that beat the pants off of many PS2 games in all aspects, but it's not recognized enough. They screwed up big time when they made their first few big hits of their own making *Mario, Zelda etc...* so different from the norm. People hated the new Mario Sunshine, people hated the cel-shaded graphics of the Windwaker *but nevertheless it was a kick butt game* and people hated the boring, staff-fighting, item finding puzzle solving Star Fox Adventures.

Nintendo should rise up next to the PS2 though in 2005, as that's when Zelda 2005 emerges...^_^

[Orga777]

Nintendo has some really great games, BUT the game cube is a genoration behind. They were on cartiages untill 2001. And they don't have online play. PS2 and X-Box do. If the Game Cube had online play more people would have bought it. Its sad really Nintendo was at the top and just like Atari is starting to fall.

[Saruman]

Why do people care so much about hard drive and online and graphics these days?
Graphics are not a big deal, all 3 systems have excellent graphics and their isn't much of a difference betwen them.

Hard Drive is also not a big deal. The PS2 HD is optional and sold seperately. The XBox comes with one but even Microsoft came out and said that it was a mistake including the HD with the system. So again it's not a factor.

Online is a factor. As much as I like to have people over to play games, I would also like to beable to play them with my friends across the country. The only way to do that is with online play.

What happened to just careing about the all around fun of the game itself?
Nothing, people still care about the quality and fun of the game. I dont buy a game unless it looks like it's going to be something that I will enjoy. I don't care for 3rd person shooters, so even if I had an XBox I wouldn't go out and buy Doom 3 just to have it.

Online gameplay is just a fad. In about 10 or 20 years it'll probably be satellite gameplay.
Online is hardly a fad, and whether its via cable, DSL or Satellite it's still the same thing. It's something that isn't going away.

Why is it so much trouble these days to invite friends over to play games?
It's not about that as I said above. It's about being able to play a game with a friend that lives on the other side of the country. It's a way for friends to stay intouch and still do things together even though they may be thousands of miles apart. It's the same reason that you come to a Kaiju Forum to talk about kaiju. Otherwise you could just invite your friends over and talk about it with them.

But I won't have this attitude in about 6 months. I'll have a ps2 then. Online would be a LOT better if you didn't have to pay. In ten years, they probably will have virtual reality for the home console. If you have a problem with my single minded opinions,just wait,they'll change soon.
Technology is always going to be changing. Something bigger and better is always just around the corner. That's a reality because we are always trying to make things better than what we have now.

[PyrasTerran]

Online is a factor. As much as I like to have people over to play games, I would also like to beable to play them with my friends across the country. The only way to do that is with online play.

Alas, the one thing Nintendo still doesn't get despite being such a gaming genius. Ah well, hopefully they figure it out soon enough...





Without online play, I wouldn't be able to get Godzilla: Save The Earth and play anyone of you fine kaiju fans(and beat you :laugh: ). Online gaming is a beautiful thing that should be taken seriously when making a game.

[PyrasTerran]

Exactly what I was thinking :laugh:

Seriously, though, that talkthing for PSP sounds awsome. The PSP is turning out to be a nifty tool, adn though I am still rooting for and possibly purchasing the DS, it would be a bummer if PSP flops miserably.

[Zearatul]

I wouldn't consider it in the next gen of computers unless it has the little apple logo on it. Back on topic, Nintendo needs to jump on with online play. They say they'll have wireless (Bluetooth?) On DS so why not online with Rev? It's a mistake not to. Plus, Nin needs real sized CDs so we can upload music and play custom playlist!!! We needs it! We does precious! Gollum! Gollum!

[Trauma]

I use to be a huge fan of pso, the only online game sofar for gamecube and the only service witch wasnt done by nintendo was really crappy and since i traded in my game cube for a xbox for STE and many other games i think Xbox is the ultimate console

Have you ever played online on the Xbox it is the coolest thing in the world talking to ppl in a moderately well organized room is really cool cause we all know how you just dont want to type.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Online play IS the next generation.soon well be playing in a Tron style VR world.
But YOU say you don't care about Online play,but most game critiques are always ranting about it.
If you get Tech-TV,they've got Electric PLayground,Reviews On the Run(And My favorite) X-PLay.
Alot games on these shows lose points for not supporting Online play.

Iam currently a GCN owner,but I hope I'll be a PS2 owner.
(And I don't really care much for those handheld systems)

[Saruman]

The thing is though, there are still MANY people who do not have cable or satellite internet. I am one of them. For one thing, cable and satellite internet is a little high priced I think and so do some people. On top of that, you gotta pay for online play.
So Nintendo is not "out of the loop" as some of you make it to be. Many people do not play right now because of what I have stated above. And saying Nintendo is not in the next generation of gaming because they do not support online play is a little ignorant wouldn't you say? If you're going to get technical about it, then I wouldn't consider PCs the next generation of PCs unless it has the following: 3.4 Ghz 800FSB Hyperthreaded Prescott P4, overclocked to 3.8 Ghz, ATI X800 XT 8x AGP Graphics, 180GB SATA Western Digital 10,000RPM 8MB Cache HDD, Gigabyte Pentium System Board; 1GB/Sec network adapter, 8x USB, 3x Firewire, 6x Memory Slot Expansion, and an LCD monitor.
To be quite honest, I don't care if it has online capabilities or not. As long as the system can play games and run them well, I am happy.
It doesn't matter if YOU or someone else doesn't have a high speed internet connection. The point is simply that if Nintendo does not include online play in their next system it's not going to sell. People WANT online play, game developers want online play, the only people that don't want online play is Nintendo.

Answer this question Kent. WHY is Godzilla: Save the Earth not going to be on the GC?

It's the same reason allot of games are not on the GC now.

[godofPH]

Everyone's said it time and again, and it's the truth. Nintendo's refusal to work online is costing them bigtime, as online is the future. Imagine a Smash Bros. game with online capabilities, or a true nintendo online way to play games such as Mario Kart: Double Dash and the upcoming Mario Tennis, and StarFox and Metroid Prime. Aren't these game that deserve to be able to be played online??
Nintendo says they are going to create some kind of Huge *** WiFi network for the next console.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I love Nintendo but they really need to get online play. It would have been great for Melee. Its their best selling game.

[Zearatul]

So they're making another SSB? I heard that one of the creators of that died and the other retired so out of respect Nintendo wasn't making anymore of them. The friend who told me had no reason to lie but I wonder if his facts were straight...
If N brings online multiplayer, especially for free, then they will be the most succesful console (or should at least)

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I doubt they would. SSBM is still selling good. Add online play to it and they'd have a huge cashflow coming in.

[Saruman]

Nintendo says they are going to create some kind of Huge *** WiFi network for the next console.
Did you even read this the first time I posted it?

Just don't count on the big N to support online gaming (big suprise!). In a recent interview, company President Satoru Iwata claimed that "customers do not want online games."
Do you understand that and who the person is saying it? Satoru Iwata is the President of Nintendo, the man that runs the whole show there. He said that during an actual news interview.

:nonono2:

[Trauma]

He is the president of all of nintendo??

even the japanese nintendo, maybe online game play isnt doing so well over there since it appears (from what ive heard) Xbox isnt doing so well over there.

I think PS2 is gonna end up the best i just have a gut feeling.

[godofPH]

Do you understand that and who the person is saying it? Satoru Iwata is the President of Nintendo, the man that runs the whole show there. He said that during an actual news interview.

:nonono2:
Online is different from WiFi. I read about the WiFi from Game Informer.

[Orga777]

Is this that other thread? ;)

No the other thread is the Nintendo Revolution Controller Reveiled thread which I am taking about.

[godzy]

Who's doing better right now, the DS or PSP?

[Burkion]

DS easily. It's spanking the PSP.

[MirrenDono]

^ Don't go that far, PSP is doing well on its own side. Neither of them have sold as much as Sony and Nintendo wanted, but they both have very good sales.

DS is beating PSP, though

[godofPH]

Well, the PSP hasn't sold as well as Sony wanted because they made it so expensive. Right now it costs more than a current gen console. PSP sales will probably increase when the price decreases. Nintendo already made the decision of dropping the DS's price, and sales increased. Not to mention Nintendogs and Advance Wars: Dual Strike were released the next day.

[godzy]

Do you think the PSP is doomed to the same fate as the En-Gage?

[PyrasTerran]

Folks, it's not just the price tag. It's many things.

For people who see the PSP as a movie-watching system, they can by a mini-DVD player with a screen for more or less the same cost, without having to buy UMD's of movies they already own and with a MUCH larger screen.

For people who see the PSP as a music-storing system, one little word for you: iPod. So many mp3 players right now give you much more bang for your buck than the PSP does.

For almost an entire month(November), the only things coming out for PSP was movies.

Which system is more fun to play? That's subjective. I personally prefer innovative games over gorgeous games.

You need only look at the overall ratings of games compared between PSP and DS to get an idea of who simply has the funner games being made. The one crowning achievement I can see on PSP is Liberty City Stories. DS has its entire Nintendo arsenal to back it up(only one of their games being truely awful), as well as games like Castlevania and Viewtiful Joe. And let's not forget unique games like Trauma Center: Under the Knife and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. The DS is getting the rise from the fans because it's a more interesting unit than the PSP.


Let's not forget, that the DS has a much higher battery-life than the PSP, which every time I see a friend with it they always have it plugged to the wall. Not exactly the kind of thing that can last an 8 hour flight like the DS can(provided you want to play that long).

Now I'm pretty sure the PSP has some great merits that warrant its cost and buy. But alot of its buzz has died because the thing's just not as convenient. Alot of the great games coming out for it have yet to release.

Regardless, this year was the year of DS in terms of the battle. We'll see what next year brings.

[ALLOSAURZ]

Actually the DS has been doing pretty decent as of late. Especially with the release of MarioKart, Castlevania, etc. DS definately has some solid games I am looking forward to getting.

[PyrasTerran]

I would really love to see some link news evidence stating that both systems are doing poorly, considering that I keep reading nothing but praise regarding sales(at least for the DS).

Both are doing bad until they actually make better games for the systems. As of yet neither has made a real must get game.

Depends on your idea of must-get.

Mario Kart DS had over 45% of its owners playing online during its first week of release, while Halo 2 had 18% in comparison. This shouldn't be a surprise, Mario Kart is one of the greatest franchises in videogame history.

Nintendogs appealed EXTREMELY well to the female gamer market. The DS in general is very girl-friendly.

Jump Superstars made the DS a must-have for many hardcore anime fans, not to mention Nintendo is the home for more anime games in general.

Animal Crossing, a game that isn't even a game, is one of the best games ever made for the non-stereotypical "gamer".

So yes, Orga, there is aLOT of must-have titles for the DS. But opinions are opinions.

And PSP is way too expensive. Maybe once the price goes down I will buy it and get Death Jr. which is one of the few games on the PSP I would like to play.

Hate to break it to you, but Death Jr. was a pretty average game. :sarcasm:

[godofPH]

Depends on your idea of must-get.

Mario Kart DS had over 45% of its owners playing online during its first week of release, while Halo 2 had 18% in comparison. This shouldn't be a surprise, Mario Kart is one of the greatest franchises in videogame history.

Nintendogs appealed EXTREMELY well to the female gamer market. The DS in general is very girl-friendly.

Jump Superstars made the DS a must-have for many hardcore anime fans, not to mention Nintendo is the home for more anime games in general.

Animal Crossing, a game that isn't even a game, is one of the best games ever made for the non-stereotypical "gamer".

So yes, Orga, there is aLOT of must-have titles for the DS. But opinions are opinions.

And to think, the PSP's only must-get (GTA Liberty City Storys) kills the system after only 30 minutes of gameplay.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

The "Who's winning?" thread about the DS and PSP made me think about something. While Nintendo isn't looking to be direct competition for X Box 360 and PS3, and instead making it's own unique niche in the gaming world, at the same time they're trying to appeal to a wider audience. Sony and Microsoft might be digging themselves into a hole by making games that are mostly for their typical gamer core audience. In a way it's like Toho. Before Godzilla used to be a favorite of the whole general public, then it mostly went down to just the fan base. Sony and Microsoft could be killing themselves by doing this, while Nintendo is aiming for a more diversified audience and may outlast them in the long run. Their future just seems to have a lot of possibilities and different directions, and more tricks still yet to pull out of the hat, while the other 2 companies aren't evolving much besides better graphics or presentation.

[MirrenDono]

Eh, I wouldn't say it like that. It's possible that this direction could boost Nintendo all the way to the top, but it's also possible that it could kill them. I don't see either one happening, ever, but if one outcome were to actually occur, I think it wouldn't happen until a long time from now.

[PyrasTerran]

Actually, I never thought of using kaiju as an example for videogames. Hats off to you, Evil GMK.

Toho made movies that appealed to their fanbase only: nerds like us and kiddies. Along comes Daiei with a Gamera trilogy that not only the fanbase would appreciate, but anyone inbetween. I have shown G3 to many a non-kaiju fan and I've gotten nothing but praise. I'm pretty sure there are people here who have the same story.

Simply put, one of the reasons Gamera 3 is so widely regarded as gold is not just because it's great for a kaiju movie, but entertaining enough for a great number of different people to enjoy. Of course, not everyone is going to get a rise out of it, but the fact that the film captured audiences that aren't even part of the usual fanbase did nothing but good for them. And to this day, G3 is still highly regarded by most of the kaiju fandom.

I don't see why we can't compare Toho and Daiei's actions with those of video game consoles, they're both forms of art/entertainment in heavy competition.

[Saruman]

For people who see the PSP as a music-storing system, one little word for you: iPod. So many mp3 players right now give you much more bang for your buck than the PSP does.

LOL, go buy an iPod if you enjoy throwing away $200 or more. They are without a doubt the single worst piece of equipment ever designed. I would actually buy a PSP for the MP3 ability than buy an iPod. If you just want an MP3 player, there are much better ones out there that will last longer than an iPod. the "Creative Zen Touch" is an excellent MP3 player and is more durable an has more battery life not to mention you can usually get it cheaper than the iPod if you look around. Or if you want to spend more to get something worth while you can get an Iriver.

But pound for pound I would get a PSP over and iPod in a second. You wont have to send your PSP back every 3 months like you would your iPod, to get it replaced because its a piece of cheap junk and keeps breaking.

But comparing these two systems is harder to do then comparing all the console systems, simply because there is a major gap in the abilities of each of these two systems.

[Saruman]

Well, it looks like even with PSP's GTA game, they were still outdone by the NDS in November(We shouldn't even add GBA into this, that system is as self-sustaining as the PS2).

http://ds.ign.com/articles/674/674746p1.html

Thanks to GTA, PSP sold 360,000.

Thanks to Mario Kart and apparently a couple more, DS sold 380,000.

Gameboy, that damn powerhouse, sold 900,000.

If PSP and DS are selling that close then thats pretty damn good for both of them and bodes well for the PSP since it costs much more.

The GB has been around so long you really can't compare it to these two systems. Most people will continue to buy a GB when their old one dies no matter what, they aren't going to just get one of the new systems and say forget the GB. I suspect that the GB will outsell the DS and PSP for a long time to come.

But both new systems are doing well which is good.

[godofPH]

Nintendo is currently working on the next addition to the Gameboy family, which they claim will be able to compete with the PSP in terms of technology. Now, if the DS is giving PSP hell, wait until Sony's precious handheld has to take on 2 titans in the handheld war.

[Gorjirus]

Here is an article I found on IGN. It will at least give you an idea for Japan.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/678/678205p1.html

[Pug Puppy]

My XBOX went out on me. Not Nintendo, Not Genesis, Not PS1-did that. I've got A GameCube. It is nice.

Given the problems that XBoX 360 is having, PSIII, Revolution, DS and PSP will own the next gaming console generation.

For us gamers, that is great! It will mean better games and better gameplay: I hope Twisted Metal comes to the DS and Nintendogs comes to the PSP.

A Nintendo-Sony coalition will actually help us: better variety&quality, at more reasonable prices.

SO... If you are a PSIIIer, A Revolutionist, DS Dude or a PSP Liker-welcome, friends!:)