I like Yu gi oh...

[Cosmos]

My brother has taught me to play Yu-gi-oh. I play with the cards I found abandoned, and they seem to be good enough to play with considering I have never bought any.
My Brother is 32 years old and I am 27, and I have to say that despite the american show and stigma that tags along with the popularity the game, when played with good people and good atmosphere can be very engaging.
I have played MAgic:THe gathering, and though it was entertaining, and is still the most popular highest selling TCG that started the phenomenon of TCG, I didn't like it's emphasis on "he with the most money wins, and the consistancy of universe.
The most charming thing about Yu-gi-oh (the game as opposed to the cartoon and excessive merchandising) is that it's free from these design limitaions: Wizards vs. Robots vs. Dragons vs Books?...Boxes?...Hamburgers?it's just crazy and an interesting challange to actually construct a plausible universe where all this can happen.
I haven't played any of the videogames, or whatched any of the episodes entirely I have no intention of seeing the movie, and read only the first 12 parts of the Shonen manga, but I do really enjoy the game.

[Wiz]

I think the card game is very fun to play. I have stopped collecting the cards since about 4-5 months ago (though I still have my cards and play occasionally). It requires inteligence and stratagy to win, which is also good.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Meh,I'll take Magic:The Gathering over Yu-Gi-Oh anyday.

[HolyGoji777]

I have played MAgic:THe gathering, and though it was entertaining, and is still the most popular highest selling TCG that started the phenomenon of TCG, I didn't like it's emphasis on "he with the most money wins, and the consistancy of universe.
what are you talking about? magic has nothing to do with money. unless you got a couple grand to blow on a set of power 9 anyone can beat anyone else. ive been playing for like ten years and never come across anyone with HALF a set of p9. so i seriously suggest you give the game another shot...im not rich and i still beat the crap out of all the rich kids who spend a lot on the game.

and theres no "emphasis" on it at all. i dont know what you meant by that. if your saying they want you to spend all your money on the game get over it...yu gi oh does too.

as for the consistancy of the universe it was based on one story from alpha through apocalypse (with the exception of arabian nights) then the times and universes changed from there on out...so if your saying they arent consistant its because they arent the same story.

magic has lasted this long for a reason. give it a chance.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

I'll take MTG over Yu-Gi-Oh! anyday. Its more challenging imo. Plus the art seems a lot better and the stories are better then some egyptian story.:hmmm:

[Orga777]

Magic is NOT more challanging than Yugioh. I learned Magic in 2 days time in my high school cafiteria with a couple freinds playing it. You know how hard it is to make a good Yugioh deck! I enter tournaments and its near impossible to win without the right amount of cards, how you play the cards, and when to play the cards at the right time.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Magic is about including the right amount of lands, spells, artifacts, and creatures in your deck plus making htem work together. Yu-Gi-Oh is just about getting certain cards all in one deck and it doesn't matter on if you can play them unless their ritual, fusion, or 5 stars or higher cards and you can with without those.

[Orga777]

Not true. If you played and understood as I do you would know it's harder than that. You must have certain monsters for a certain deck, same with magic and trap cards. Its alot harder than you think it is. But you wouldn't under stand that and it is very hard to explain to some one that doesn't understand.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

^I played it when it first came out up until about January when it got old and boring. Magic: The Gathering has something Yu-Gi-Oh! is missing. Plus I like the MTG has humans in it.

[Orga777]

^I played it when it first came out up until about January when it got old and boring. Magic: The Gathering has something Yu-Gi-Oh! is missing. Plus I like the MTG has humans in it.
What do you mean humans? And what does Magic have that Yugioh doesn't?

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Magics art is better,the story is better,its more complex,its more interesting and theres more planning involved.
MV pretty much explained why I like it over YGO,PLus it has aswome quotes like
It Dosen't Eat.It Dosen't Sleep,It dosen't Laugh Or Cry.All it does from dusk til dawn is make the soliders die
The art work looks like something you'd see in a art Gallery,not something my brother,or me could draw :hmmm:

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

^Thank you. Plus they draw different things. Like right now they are making a Japanese Fuedral set that has Japanese goblins, demons, and dragons. Plus the few pieces of art shown are breath taking. Meanwhile Yu-Gi-Oh, well it just gets worse and worse.

[Orga777]

I do agree that the art and the freaky quotes are better, but I have played it with people and it doen't have that much planning involved as Yugioh does. In Yugioh you have to guess what that face down monster is and hope it wont mess you up. You have to figure out if they have a trap that can stop you and turn the game around. This game has alot more thinking than Magic. Most stuff you play is face down and don't know what to expect while Magic is all face up and it is a little easier.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

No its just guessing if it can harm you. Magic is what does he have in his hand? What could be waiting in his deck? Is that part of a super combo that'll defeat me in one move? Plus it has one set that makes fun of Magic called Unglued. And its getting a sequal called Unhinged.:laugh:

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Allow me to demonstrate
This card is in a differant languge,but look at the art.Its a breath taking angel.
http://www.devir.com.br/magic/imagens/setima15.jpg
Now the Yu-Gi-Oh Card
http://www.symynet.com/online_gift_shop/artwork/yu%20gi%20oh%20english.JPG
And that,well I could draw something similar,possibly better then that.Its just a bland cartoony dragon.


Sorry Mods,and Admins.I don't know how to link.And I wanted the pics to be compared.Go ahead and link them.Sorry.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

A Magic Dragon: http://mi.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/shivan_dragon.jpg

[Orga777]

No its just guessing if it can harm you. Magic is what does he have in his hand? What could be waiting in his deck? Is that part of a super combo that'll defeat me in one move?
Oh and Yugioh doesn't have that either.:sarcasm: There are cards you can draw and easily turn the game around. You make it sound that it doesn't. Oh and Darkside I agree that the art on Yugioh is cheesy and dull, but the game is more challanging than Magic.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

YGO
-Monster.
-Spell
-Trap
-Fusion

Four types of stereotypical cards you'd see in any TCG.
MTG
-Creatures-Artifacts.and Legends.
-Instants
-Spell
-Equipment
-Mana.Artifact.Legend.

These are all complex,partically if your into some of the expert decks(were Iam),Equipments are some of the best cards.
YGO,you can place any old card.MTG you have to have the right amount of Mana,you need it for the right types of cards(Mountain for Reds,Swamp for Black,Island-Blue,Plains-White).

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Plus Magic is always changing. They add something new each set.

[Orga777]

YGO
-Monster.
-Spell
-Trap
-Fusion

Four types of stereotypical cards you'd see in any TCG.
MTG
-Creatures-Artifacts.and Legends.
-Instants
-Spell
-Equipment
-Mana.Artifact.Legend.

These are all complex,partically if your into some of the expert decks(were Iam),Equipments are some of the best cards.
YGO,you can place any old card.MTG you have to have the right amount of Mana,you need it for the right types of cards(Mountain for Reds,Swamp for Black,Island-Blue,Plains-White).
Rrrrrrrr. Wrong! YGO
Normal monster-effect monster
normal spell-quickplay spell-equip spell
normal trap-counter trap

And you can't place any old card there is a stragety to it. You have really got to think and stay on your toes! If you go into a tournament and watch people play you would under stand that.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Magic Tournament matches end so fast. You need to be the aggreser. They end in just 3-5 turns sometimes!

[Orga777]

Plus Magic is always changing. They add something new each set.What! There is always some thing new in Yugioh! Every time a new set comes out people find ways to make diffrent decks and get cards that counter other decks! So don't go there.

[Orga777]

Magic Tournament matches end so fast. You need to be the aggreser. They end in just 3-5 turns sometimes!
Some dules in YGO end in 3 to 5 turns also! Some times if you get the right cards it can end in ONE turn.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

The Start of a Yu-Gi-Oh Game
-Draw Hand
-Place Card
-Deal Possible Damage
-Enemy Does Same
-Take possible Damage
-Draw
-Place Card
-Do move
ANd So on


Start Of a Magic:The Gathering
-Draw Hand
-Place Mana.If not.Pass Turn.
-Enemy,does same.
-Draw Card
-Place Mana.If not.Pass Turn.
-Say you have for Red Mana.Play Goblin Grunt. 2/2.Tap Mana
-Enemy Does Same
-Untap Mana
-Draw Card
-Place Spell,Deal Damage.
-Attack,Tap Goblin.
-Enemy Plays Bog Imp.
-You Untap
-You play spell,deal damage.
-Enemy does same.
-Enemy Attacks with Bog Imp.Bog Imp has flying,Grunt can't attack.


Oh yes YGO is FAR more complex :sacastic:

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

If your playing with like 500 lifepoints yeah. Plus who plays Yu-Gi-Oh! usually? 8 year olds. I see people from ages 8 and up playing MTG. Plus you can win huge sums of money. Its got great stories. Have you ever read The Brothers' War?

[Orga777]

Dark side did you even PLAY the game. In Yugioh you can have the greatest combo,BUT your enemy could have something to counter it! Go and watch people play it in a tournament if you have doughts about challange!

[Orga777]

If your playing with like 500 lifepoints yeah. Plus who plays Yu-Gi-Oh! usually? 8 year olds. I see people from ages 8 and up playing MTG. Plus you can win huge sums of money. Its got great stories. Have you ever read The Brothers' War?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was funny! Actually only about 3% of people that play Yugioh are 8 or younger. And actually some of the bets players are atleast 17-23. So I suggest you don't talk about stuff you don't know!

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Each card tells a little story,usually peices form a book.Its an epic universe,that can be displayed so well with Mana for worlds,and Creatures for creatures.
Yu-Gi-Oh,is just so basic compared to MTG.
All it has is some TV show,no massive novels,MTG has actaul characters on there cards.All yu-gi-oh shows is these creatures,you never see the shows characters on the cards.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Same with MTG. Counterspell. Plus Magic has at least five ways(colours) to lay and they make a set just for new players.

[Orga777]

Each card tells a little story,usually peices form a book.Its an epic universe,that can be displayed so well with Mana for worlds,and Creatures for creatures.
Yu-Gi-Oh,is just so basic compared to MTG.
All it has is some TV show,no massive novels,MTG has actaul characters on there cards.All yu-gi-oh shows is these creatures,you never see the shows characters on the cards.
That doesn't matter! And actually it has a very succesful manga. The manga started the card game! The creater didn't expect it to be that popular!

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Combo,you play 3 cards.
Woopdi-freaking-do.
MTG,You need ALL the Mana to support the cards,if yuo only have 10 mana and want to use a combo that adds up to say 16,you can't play it.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

The Manga was popular. Yu-Gi-Oh's movie(mo a ttempt to save it from dying) started out at #3 at the box office. What a great way to start off.:sarcasm:

[Orga777]

Combo,you play 3 cards.
Woopdi-freaking-do.
MTG,You need ALL the Mana to support the cards,if yuo only have 10 mana and want to use a combo that adds up to say 16,you can't play it.
I know I PLAYED THE GAME! I have played MTG. Yugioh is harder! 3 cards! HA! If you want to loose! To win you must outwit your opponet not just out mana them like in Magic. I know what I am talking about.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

MVG is right.
You can't just put any card together,MTG you have to have the Mana to support your deck.
You can't have a deck made of Green,and Red.And have ALL green,you'd just waste space.

ALL types use differant strategies.White is Sneaky,and cheap.Black is vile,and uses many dark spells,Red is agressive,Green is just beefy,and easily set traps,and blue uses spells more.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

You don't need to out mana them you need to out play them with a good deck and a good idea of how to play your cards.

[Orga777]

Same goes for Yugioh. Chaos deck, beat down deck, burn deck, hand control deck, dragon deck, warrior deck, defensive deck, should I continue? There are atleast 1000 ways to make a deck.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Read above post.You need to warp your normal playing ways to match the speciffic color.
You obviously haven't played with a real deck,maybe a Starter Edition.
You can't make an asumtion with out using ALL THE CARDS.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Theres millions for MTG. You don't need a certain type. you just need a playable deck to play and have fun. Its called Casual.;)

[Orga777]

I give up........... This argument is going know where... Lets just leave it with you two liking Magic more than YGO and vice versa for me. I give in.:laugh:

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Well at least we saw eachother points. Good debate imo.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Those are deck STYLES,the colors all represent a certain way to play.
There are hundreds of decks for EACH COLOR ALONE.MTG has those,theres wayward,little bashers the list goes on.

[Orga777]

Well at least we saw eachother points. Good debate imo.
I agree. Better than some other ones I've read here that go off topic.:laugh:

[Wiz]

I have to side with both sides: Both games are complex, and equally so. I have played both, so I can have an unbiased opinion. It is just a matter of opinion. There isn't one that's necessarily better than the other. It just depends on the person.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Ya,good debate :)
No hard feelings?

[Orga777]

No hard feeling.:laugh:

[HolyGoji777]

sorry but i gotta add my two cents lol

magic requires more thinking than you think. not to say that yu gi oh doesnt require thinking...but ive been playing magic long enough to know that you better have a good idea of what your opponent has in their hand before you try busting out a huge combo...my thought process usually goes something like this...

1)do i have all the cards for this combo?
2)do i have enough mana to play this?
3)does my opponent have any free mana?
4)how many cards does he/she have in their hand?
5)what color/s is my opponent playing?
6)what cards does that color/s have to stop this combo?
7)have i seen any of those previously this game?
8)how much will this combo cripple my opponent?
9)how much (if any) will this compo affect me?
10)will it affect me more than my opponent?
and finally
11)would it be more beneficial for me to play this later.

obviously i can do that quickly in my head but its a lot to think about..and sometimes it gets more complicated than that like figuring out in which order to play spells so their effects resolve in a certain order.

pretty much what ive been hearing from orga is "yu gi oh has that too!". basically all that says to me is RIPOFF.

but ultimately if you think magic requires less thinking than yu gi oh then you really dont know how to play magic. magic has close to 10000 cards by now and limitless ways to kill your opponent.

but thats my two cents. no offense to anyone.

[Cosmos]

Allow me to clarify.
The Yu-gi-oh card game began as a fictional game that existed in the Yugi-oh manga in 1996. THe fictional game they played was meant to be Magic the gathering, only with the name changed for rights protection, and was eventually adapted and produced into the game we are currently discussing, and it is important to realize that the card game played in the cartoon/manga/movies is not the card game played in reality.

I have played Magic, and I have played yugi, and worked at a hobby store for 2 years and have played both exstensivlly at this point and they are different games, so comparison of play mechanics is irrelevant, they are both strategy games and simularities don't end there.

And I would argue that discussion of the art is equally suspect, considering that what makes Magic's art "better", is its more detailed but it is also more cliché, it's medival based fantasy, and if thats what your bag is, power to you.
Magic's universe is consistant, as I've said earlier Yugi oh challanges interesting new boundries in fantasy, There are dragon's and magic like in most fantasy, but you also get mummies and robots and fighter squadrons of sci-fi fighters if you so desire.

The art in Yugi-oh is different than magic's, there are some silly designs in Yugi, but don't fool yourself that there isn't equally ridiculous art in Magic. But in many ways some of the silly designs in Yugi are what bring it's charm to me, I admire it's sense of humour, Magic, I always felt, took itself too seriously.

Yugioh's biggest only shortcoming as TCG is it's recent popularity in america, which is why I started that if you take the game on it's own, without the exessive franchise marketing, it is a very good game rich with atmosphere and character.
Popularity is the easiest way to make someone not like something.

[HolyGoji777]

And I would argue that discussion of the art is equally suspect, considering that what makes Magic's art "better", is its more detailed but it is also more cliché, it's medival based fantasy, and if thats what your bag is, power to you.
Magic's universe is consistant, as I've said earlier Yugi oh challanges interesting new boundries in fantasy, There are dragon's and magic like in most fantasy, but you also get mummies and robots and fighter squadrons of sci-fi fighters if you so desire.
magic is NOT medieval fantasy. mummies and robots? ever hear of cyclopean mummy or mindless automation? mummy and a robot right there. how about the card rocket launcher? sure it sux but did ya ever see sir lancealot toting one of those around? and how about the most recent block mirrodin? its a whole world based on the mixture of metal and flesh. how about draco? its a huge robotic dragon. ships? how about a flying ship that can planeswalk? the weatherlight can fly and travel through dimensions! these are just a few examples i could go on and on and on.

magics got so many creature types it would make your head spin...so in pure variety of monsters to play its no contest.

and yeah there are some magic cards on which the art really sux. but for every one of those we get probably 10 awesome looking cards. again id rather have some than none at all.

[Orga777]

Reaper did you play both games? If you didn't don't say whats better and whats not if you haven't played them both.;)

[Kaiju Nexus]

I've seen the show. I've read the manga (much better than the show). I've played the card game.

YuGiOh is Pokemon with a new name. Both franchises are good for some mindless fun for a few months. Then you realize what repetitive nonsense it is and move on with your life. Remind me not to get involved with the next Pokemon ripoff...I could waste those months doing something a little more productive.

And by the way, I've still got a box full of YuGiOh cards if anyone is interested in buying...

[HolyGoji777]

Reaper did you play both games? If you didn't don't say whats better and whats not if you haven't played them both.;)
ive played so many card games it would probably blow your mind. and yeah i have played yu gi oh and it has absolutely NOTHING that magic doesnt. ive already proved that point in my last post. ive been playing card games for like ten years now so ive tried just about everything there is to try. magics lasted this long for a reason...even other ccgs ive liked like the decipher star wars ccg has dropped in value like a rock. when it used to be second in sales only to magic. theres a reason magic has lasted so long.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

I've played both. Both are quite fun. Neither is much better than the other, they each have their own areas where they shine. Yugioh has it's intense play-style that isn't for everyone. MTG has it's own complex style that is really fun to sit down and play with a group of friends.

Basically, MTG is a game you play if you have a lot of time and want to think strategically. Yugioh is fun if you want to unleash and just plain beat the crap out of your opponent.

Yugioh is not a pokemon with a new name, anyone who says that is a biased MTG fanboy who is just angry that Yugioh is taking up MTG's space at the local cardshop.

It's more like MTG's T1 with a T2 cardbase than anything. In both you need a set of nine cards in ANY of your decks if you expect to win in a tournament. If you don't have a Black Lotus or a Raigeki in a tournament above FNM or FNY, then you'd better be prepared to lose first round.

But overall, I do have to say that MTG is just the plain better game, for the simple fact that it's designers have a lot more experience than Yugiohs' do. WOTC knows how to run a game. Konami/Upperdeck do not. That and Yugioh is just too damn expensive to play with, even in casual. Whereas in MTG you can just buy a starter deck for ten dollars and have a good time in casual. In Yu-Gi-Oh you have to pay 20 bucks for a poor *** deck with two good cards.

MTG>>>Yugioh, but not by as big of margin as a lot of you guys are making it out to be.

[MechaSpaceGhidorah]

Heres a good question. Does anyone have a Power Nine card? (5 Moxs, Timeshifter, Time Walk, Anceastal Recall, Blac Lotus)

[Cosmos]

Aragorn_Strider22? You have provided the only convincing argument that I have heard, and I appreciate your balanced approach to this discussion.
ReaperGoji777, unfortunatly the argument "Im right cause I say Im right" has fault.

And as I have mentioned before, I certainly don't think Magic is a bad game, I enjoyed it, just fine, but having played both I enjoyed yu-gi-oh more so, for the reasons I have mentioned previously, it takes itself much less seriously, hence: more fun for me.

though just because Yugi oh is marketed towards the same demographic as pokémon does not make it any way a rip off, really aside from the fact there shonen based games, the simularity ends.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Since we all discussed these 2 TCG in a surprisingly civilized manner,how 'bout we tell eachother what kinda' cards were using?

Iam currently working with a Mirrodin custom Green/Red deck.(Darksteel series)

Mountain(Red)
6-Red Mana
Krark-Clan Grunt
Electrostatic Bolt
Ogre Leadfoot
Goblin Psychopath(Non-Mirrodin Card)
Molten Rain
Rustmouth Ogre
Fists Of The Anvil(2)
Overall-14
-------------------
Forest(Green)
25-Green Mana
Tangle Spider(2)
Tel-Jilad Archers
Fangren Hunter
Viridian Shaman(3)
Barkhide Mauler(Non-Mirrodin Card)
Symbiotic El(Non-Mirrodin Card)
Trolls Of Tel-Jilad
Pulse Of The Tangle
Molder Slug
Infested Roothold(2)
Echoing Courage(4)
Tel-Jilad Outrider(2)
One Dozen Eyes(2)
Tel-Jilad Exile
Viridian Joiner
Sylan Scrying
Overall-48
-----------------
Artifacts(Color-less)
1-Artifact Mana
Myr Adapter
Gold Myr(5)
Neurok Hoversail
Myr Matrix
Soldier Replica
Tangle Golem(3)
Lifespark Spellbomb
Vulshok Gauntlets
Viridian Longbow
Hematite Golem
Pyrite Spellbomb
Overall-18



Thats my current deck.And hasen't let me down yet.
So how about everybody elses(You can post your YGO decks to)
:)

[Aragorn_Strider22]

4 Birchlore Rangers
2 Caller of the Claw
4 Elvish Scrapper
4 Elvish Vanguard
2 Tribal Forcemage
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Viridian Zealot
4 Wirewood Herald
4 Wirewood Hivemaster
3 Wirewood Symbiote

4 AEther Vial
2 Chrome Mox
4 Skullclamp
1 Slate of Ancestry

16 Forest
4 Wooded Foothills

It's a test deck so far, I'm not sure how it'll do, I made it up while at my dads and haven't been able to play with my friends. It has potential, although I'd never be able to take it into a tournament. Most are proxied lol.

[Zigs]

During moving to my new house i found alot of old fads that I use to take part in, including Yu-gi-oh. But my prize cards are my old Digimon cards they were the biggest card fad in my school when the show came out and the cards lasted 2 years before vanishing. I even found my favorit card Angemon (T.k's champion Digimon) Does anyone else have a few of these cards? If so what ones?