King Caesar vs Gorosaurus

[The Great MM]

King Caesar vs Gorosaurus

Arena: Monster Island

Rules: NONE

Who Will Win...

[anguirus55]

Gorosaurus is more formidable in close combat, and Seesar lacks the strength or manual dexterity to rip at him a la Kong.

[godzookie]

King Seesar was dominating Mecha Godzilla in close combat. He could practically do the do the same to Gorosaurus. Gorosaurus would get some shots in but Seesar has this fight.

[Orga777]

King Seesar was dominating Mecha Godzilla in close combat. He could practically do the do the same to Gorosaurus. Gorosaurus would get some shots in but Seesar has this fight.
Are you kidding me? King Ceasar was hideing behind a rock untill Godzilla started whooping on him. The only thing Ceasar did was body slam him when he was busy with Godzilla.

[Showa Godzilla]

^ uh hello did you not see the Battle between King Ceaser and Mechagodzilla before Godzilla Came?King Ceaser whas Pounding Showa MG untill he used hid missles and Goro does not have those.I give this to King Ceaser.They will have a good long battle but I think KC will come out alive.

[godzookie]

to recap the battle until Godzilla arrives...

-MG uses his eye lasers and Seezar reflects them back at him. Seezar tries to tackle MG and fails.

-MG uses his lasers a second time and they are reflected back again. Seezar tackles MG on his second try.

-MG throws two punches at KS. King Seesar ducks the first punch and he throws MG on the second punch. He then jumps on MG and begins pounding on him. MG throws him off. He tries his lasers again before switching to missles.

-King Seesar, who is unable to deal with the missles even, hides behind a rock. The rock is cut down and King Seesar is attacked with missles which knock him down. MG uses this to his advantage and kicks Seezar while he is down.

-Seezar gets back up and tries to maul MG's hand. With his free hand, MG pounds on Seezar who, unlike Angilas, is unaffected by these blows. MG throws Seesar off and Godzilla arrives.

As already stated, Seezar had the upper hand until MG started using its missiles. Unless Gorosaurus has missles, he is in for a fight he can not win.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

to recap the battle until Godzilla arrives...

-MG uses his eye lasers and Seezar reflects them back at him. Seezar tries to tackle MG and fails.

-MG uses his lasers a second time and they are reflected back again. Seezar tackles MG on his second try.

-MG throws two punches at KS. King Seesar ducks the first punch and he throws MG on the second punch. He then jumps on MG and begins pounding on him. MG throws him off. He tries his lasers again before switching to missles.

-King Seesar, who is unable to deal with the missles even, hides behind a rock. The rock is cut down and King Seesar is attacked with missles which knock him down. MG uses this to his advantage and kicks Seezar while he is down.

-Seezar gets back up and tries to maul MG's hand. With his free hand, MG pounds on Seezar who, unlike Angilas, is unaffected by these blows. MG throws Seesar off and Godzilla arrives.

As already stated, Seezar had the upper hand until MG started using its missiles. Unless Gorosaurus has missles, he is in for a fight he can not win.

You're own evidence proves that Ceesar isn't that good of a physical combatant. Most of his attacks hardly hit Mechagodzilla. Everytime he had the upperhand, he was easily tossed around by Mechagodzilla. I'm not saying that Gorosaurus compares with MG in the physical department, but Seesar did so piss poor against Mechagodzilla, it suggests that he's not very good at HTH combat.

Yes Seesar was taken out by missiles, but for cripes sake, you're making them out to be the only thing that can defeat him.

King Kong had a REALLY tough time throwing Gorosaurus around, it took all of his might to unlatch Gorosaurus from him.

If Gorosaurus latches onto Ceesars neck or legs with his jaws, Ceesar doesn't have the strength to unlatch him.

[anguirus55]

As already stated, Seezar had the upper hand until MG started using its missiles. Unless Gorosaurus has missles, he is in for a fight he can not win.

If you are going to use this nonsenscial argument, I'll just claim that Gorosaurs can OBVIOUSLY only be defeated by King Kong and thus is teh winnah.

Showa MG is one of Toho's weaker hand-to-hand fighters, once Godzilla was inside his reach he was racking up damage like crazy.

[godzookie]

It is nonsense to say Seesar is good at hand to hand combat because he dominated MG but it makes sense to say a weakling kaiju had trouble throwing Gorosaurus around so Gorosaurus must be good at hand to hand combat.

If MG is one of the weaker hth comatants, Angilas needs to be added to the kaiju who can't fight list.

[Melkor]

Gorosaurus domintates this battle. King Seesar was never that good of a physical combatant to me, I personally thought he was lacking in fighting prowess. The only way he was able to hold off Mechagodzilla was because MG kept firing his eye beams, which Seesar can reflect with ease. Gorosaurus, on the other hand, has no beams for Seesar to reflect: and he is one helluva tough guy as well. He can also burrow and use a devastating kangaroo kick, which I doubt Seesar can protect himself from.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[MirrenDono]

Meh, I see Seesar winning this, but Goro would give him hell before he went down. Personally, I see that Seesar would out-manuver Gorosaurus, and be able to batter him. Plus, the guys got strength. He managed to throw Mechagodzilla like a toy, and Goro weighs much less than him. Seesar survived missiles, beams and a physical pounding by Mechagodzilla, and eventually got up to fight again *even though he got blasted once again* so whatever Goro throws at him won't be enough.

[bloodyarts]

Meh, I see Seesar winning this, but Goro would give him hell before he went down. Personally, I see that Seesar would out-manuver Gorosaurus, and be able to batter him. Plus, the guys got strength. He managed to throw Mechagodzilla like a toy, and Goro weighs much less than him. Seesar survived missiles, beams and a physical pounding by Mechagodzilla, and eventually got up to fight again *even though he got blasted once again* so whatever Goro throws at him won't be enough.

I would've written something much more long-winded, but yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.

And, Kong is NOT a weakling kaiju. He manhandled Goro quite well. Trouble throwing Gorosaurus around? Goro spent most of the battle on his back, then got his jaw twisted by Kong's bare hands.

Yup, great fighter and great jaw strength, that Goro.

[Dino Hunter 2.0]

I see Gorosaurus winning this. It'd be a nice and brutal fight, too. But in the end, Goro would definately win. Caesar's not all that good of a hth fighter, IMO. Gorosaurus is a great hth fighter. Caesar has no advantages over goro... he can punch, body slam, probably kick. Goro has got a much stronger bite, and much, much, much stronger kick, can probably deliver a nasty tail whip, can burrow underground, and on top of it all, he's a lot more feroscious than Caesar. When a fight goes bad for Caesar, he runs away or hides. When a fight goes bad for Goro, he fights harder.

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by dino Hunter 2.0
Caesar's not all that good of a hth fighter
I don't understand how anyone can make this claim. Mechagodzilla is a goo physical fighter for a kaiju he rellies on long ranged attacks. While his arament in the close-combat department is limited, it is still quite good. Seesar was pwning this guy physically. Now let's do the equation for the day-

Mechagodzilla *good physical fighter*- getting pwned by Seesar= Seesar a good physical fighter

^_^


much stronger kick
Please, yes it's strong, but if you honestly think like all the other Goro fanboys that the kangaroo kick is an uber god-like hit and will floor Seesar for the whole fight your perception of kaiju attack forms is awful


can burrow underground
With no arms that'd take a bit to accomplish. By then Seesar would be on him and pwning him.


he's a lot more feroscious than Caesar.
Um, excuse me? Grab me some evidence that Goro is more agressive than a kaiju who continuously went after Mechagodzilla even after being blown to a near bloody pulp.


When a fight goes bad for Caesar, he runs away or hides. When a fight goes bad for Goro, he fights harder.
This has gotta be the stupidest remark I've ever seen on my time for this board.

Look at the difference in power of their adversaries. Goro was battling Kong, a physically potent kaiju but all around average, while Seesar was fighting Mechagodzilla, one of the strongest Showa Kaiju ever and a Showa kaiju who could take out many of the Heisi and Millenium kaiju. Not to mention. Did Goro get nailed by ten missiles probably 20x stronger than regualr missile? No. Did he get blasted by eye beams? No. Did he get a physical beating so bad that it would make Goji flinch? No. Switch their positions, Seesar would probably beat Kong, and Goro wouldn't even get the chance to hide from the prodigious Mechagodzilla.


God it's good to be back ^_^

[The Great MM]

Not to rain on anybody's peraid...

King Kong is a giant gorilla, gorillas can lift over 3000 pounds, thats 5 times there weight. Increase that gorilla to kaiju sized, and DAMN, he can man handle a lot of monsters, but he trouble to release Gorosaur's bite...that should show you something...

[Showa Godzilla]

Dino Hunter 2.0I said "Caesar's not all that good of a hth fighter, IMO."

Okay then Anguirus Should probably go on the list of Kaiju who cant fight.Ang loses to Showa MG in a HTH battle.KC Wins against MG in a Physical Brawl and Then Retreats when MG pulls out Missles.On another Thread People Said Ang is a better HTH fighter than Goro but here King Ceaser who is better is said to lose to Goro in HTH.

[Showa Godzilla]

But Kong is a Fictional ape.In other words He cant lift that much.In KK V.S G he was Straining to pick up Showa Godzilla even when he had a power boost.
My 300th Post!

[The Great MM]

But Kong is a Fictional ape.In other words He cant lift that much.In KK V.S G he was Straining to pick up Showa Godzilla even when he had a power boost.

Show me a monster that can swing Godzilla around by the tail...and then I can make a great fight. And its even stated in KKE.

"Kong is just a 60 ft Gorilla"

[PyrasTerran]

-Seezar gets back up and tries to maul MG's hand. With his free hand, MG pounds on Seezar who, unlike Angilas, is unaffected by these blows. MG throws Seesar off and Godzilla arrives.

It looked more to me like MG was shoving his pointed hand down Caesar's throat.


Nevertheless, KC seemed much more aggressive than Gorosaur, and I believe that will give him the win(as well as having more-useable forearms)

[anguirus55]

Seesar was pwning this guy physically.

That's because MG has some pretty pewser armor. Godzilla was mauling im as well, but he couldn't do nearly do much damage to Anguirus, KG, Rodan, and other past opponents. Seesar's style is to run up and slash, then back off. Against Gorosaurus, I don't think that would work because Goro is quick and has little knobbly bits (read: scutes) on his skin. And Seesar lacks the manual dexterity to win like Kong did.

Um, excuse me? Grab me some evidence that Goro is more agressive than a kaiju who continuously went after Mechagodzilla even after being blown to a near bloody pulp.


Seesar was playing dead after a minute of combat, and did very little comparatively for the rest of the fight afterwards. And Gorosaurus made the primary contribution to the fight against Ghidorah, seeming quite unafraid to take hits.

He didn't give up against Kong even after he'd clearly lost, but that is a different Gorosaurus (as anyone who spared a second of thought and a brain cell would realize. The first Goro wasn't much bigger than a normal theropod and is dead besides).

Gorosaurus would have quite a hard time, and he certainly could lose. This is why battles between tooth-and-claw monsters can verge on the absurd...OF COURSE either one can win, I just think a Goro victory is more likely.

[Orga777]

Please, yes it's strong, but if you honestly think like all the other Goro fanboys that the kangaroo kick is an uber god-like hit and will floor Seesar for the whole fight your perception of kaiju attack forms is awfulIt floored Ghidorah.:p

Um, excuse me? Grab me some evidence that Goro is more agressive than a kaiju who continuously went after Mechagodzilla even after being blown to a near bloody pulp. Continuously? After getting hit with the missles he hid behind a rock untill Goji appered and got the upper hand.

Switch their positions, Seesar would probably beat Kong, and Goro wouldn't even get the chance to hide from the prodigious Mechagodzilla. If thats so then since Kong beat Godzilla Ceasar can beat him also right?:sarcasm:

[PyrasTerran]

It floored Ghidorah.

Anyone who pushes Ghidorah from the back while he's being attacked all around can floor him, that's absolutely no point.

If thats so then since Kong beat Godzilla Ceasar can beat him also right?

Kong beat Godzilla out of circumstance.

[MirrenDono]

^ Wow, I can't wait to bash your shot-backs, but ang comes first


Originally posted by anguirus55
That's because MG has some pretty pewser armor. Godzilla was mauling im as well, but he couldn't do nearly do much damage to Anguirus, KG, Rodan, and other past opponents. Seesar's style is to run up and slash, then back off. Against Gorosaurus, I don't think that would work because Goro is quick and has little knobbly bits (read: scutes) on his skin. And Seesar lacks the manual dexterity to win like Kong did.Actually, Goji never really went toe toe to with him physically, only in the oil refinery, where the battle was brief and Godzilla nailed only one notable blow.

Seesar's attack style is a bit different from what you say. The only times he ran off was when he got blasted by the missiles and hid behind the mountain. Before that, he was either knocked down or...wait just that. Before his own whooping, he never did hit and run-style tactics, he was only Mechagodzilla nearly every time, minus that one charge he took him down with.


Originally posted by Orga777
It floored Ghidorah.:p This is seriously the saddest argument I've ever seen. This is exactly the kind of evidence that fan boys use to overrate Goro's kangaroo kick. I've bashed that notion in my overrated kaiju thread, here's the exact excert on it that I wrote-


The same slightly goes to Ghidrah. Yes he didn't get knocked down all that much, but it wasn't like you needed Godzilla, Rodan and Angilas to do it all at once. In Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, he was knocked down twice, once by Rodan flying into him from the sky, and once when Godzilla threw him like a rag doll. In Monster Zero, he was nearly floored when Rodan dropped that rock on him *King Goji took much more of rock assaults and never went down* and then got crushed when Godzilla jumped on him. Later in the second fight, he met teh ground many times. I counted that Rodan managed to knock him down twice, simply by ramming into him. Once when Godzilla was pushing against Ghidrah, and twice when Godzilla grabbed him by the tails. Rodan is half of Ghidrah's weight, and yet with little help floored him many times. In DAM Goro was the only one to knock him down, but he was the only one who attempted to do so, no other kaiju did. Then in Godzilla vs. Gigan, it took one ram/hit at first for Goji to send him tumbling, and then later one hit from Angilas knocked him flat, not to mention Godzilla thrashed him with those grapples. It is not super easy to knock Ghidrah down, but it is not hard.
Trying :p ing me now ^_~


Continuously? After getting hit with the missles he hid behind a rock untill Goji appered and got the upper hand.I meant his fight before that...even then though after he got smashed, he still went after mechagodzilla during his and goji's fight.


If thats so then since Kong beat Godzilla Ceasar can beat him also right?:sarcasm:My God this is sad. You do realize that Godzilla is one of the weakest right? He's arrogant, has only decent physical comabt skills and has a rather weaker beam. And yes, Seesar could probably beat him.

EDIT-

Thanks Pyras ^_~

[Orga777]

My God this is sad. You do realize that Godzilla is one of the weakest right? He's arrogant, has only decent physical comabt skills and has a rather weaker beam. And yes, Seesar could probably beat him.
:intears: Your kidding right? I will have to agree with you on most stuff you just posted, but this is just not true. Lets recap important moments to disprove your Godzilla is weak theory. Godzilla alone killed Angilas, survived being covered by Hedorah's sludge, Godzilla beat both Mecha Godzilla and Titanosaurus by himself, survived the blasts from the Godzilla tower, pretty much owned both Megalon and Gigan, and has beaten KG multipule times.
I really dought King Ceasar could survive against any of these encounters so think before you post.;)

[MirrenDono]

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Forgive me mods if this is flamming, but I am in utter shock of your imcompetence.

I mean the Godzilla that King Kong fought, the King Goji, just that one, the Godzilla in that sole movie, not the entire Showa Goji overall...>_>

[Orga777]

Really now? If thats the case I apologize. I thought the Showa era was connected like all of them are supposed to be. Oh wait he is the same Goji that killed Ang for he came out of the ice that he was buried in.

[MirrenDono]

Well, yes, technically, but the '55 Goji and King Goji are a bit different in power.

And forgive me for being so harsh, I get caught up in debates too easily ^_^;;;

[Orga777]

Lol. So do I. I have gotten in quite a few recently. Especially defending Orga.

[anguirus55]

I guess my post was pretty good, you only treid to counter one bit :P

Actually, Goji never really went toe toe to with him physically, only in the oil refinery, where the battle was brief and Godzilla nailed only one notable blow.

Huh? He won by twisting MG's head off.

As soon as KC found he had an ally he let Godzilla take the brunt of the hits. He also was beaten by MG solo in about the same time that Anguirus was before Godzilla came to bail him out.

You do realize that Godzilla is one of the weakest right?

Showa Godzilla tromped almost everything hand-to-hand.

And yes, Seesar could probably beat him.

:laugh:

I'd like to see you explain how, considering that this Godzilla has survived the likes of Hedorah up close. Godzilla can do worse to Seesar hand-to-hand than MG did.

Around here, next to Showa Ghidorah, KS is the most overrated kaiju (in terms of combat skills) ever. He had no business beating GMK Godzilla last year, that's for damn sure.

What so very, very many of you people don't seem to get is that kaiju fighting is not an EQUATION. Just because X beats Y and Y beats Z doesn't always mean X beats Z. You have to think about how the fight in question would occur.

[anguirus55]

Really now? If thats the case I apologize. I thought the Showa era was connected like all of them are supposed to be. Oh wait he is the same Goji that killed Ang for he came out of the ice that he was buried in.

You are and have been absolutely correct, Orga.

I mean the Godzilla that King Kong fought, the King Goji, just that one, the Godzilla in that sole movie, not the entire Showa Goji overall...>_>

According to Ishiro Honda, Toho, and everyone except you, they are all the same Godzilla.

I am in utter shock of your imcompetence.

As am I at your impoliteness and overzealousness. Though at least you were classy enough to apologize, that's a rare thing around here.

Well, yes, technically, but the '55 Goji and King Goji are a bit different in power.


Prove it.

[MirrenDono]

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XD!!!

You just pulled what Orga did before :P


Huh? He won by twisting MG's head off.
They barely even had a battle though. Mechagodzilla was blasting him to nothing 90% of the time. Goji fell once, and nailed him with a beam, after that he got bashed some more, magnitized to bring Mechagodzilla over to him, had Seesar ram him, and then twisted his head off. I meant toe to toe physically bud ^_~


He also was beaten by MG solo in about the same time that Anguirus was before Godzilla came to bail him out.
Seesar actually did something though



I won't even reply to your last stuff, I meant King Goji and no other Goji. How could you two make the same mistake? :P

[anguirus55]

MD..."bud"...you not only have failed to even comprehend my post, but you have failed to respond to any of what I called you on.

Mechagodzilla was blasting him to nothing 90% of the time. Goji fell once, and nailed him with a beam, after that he got bashed some more, magnitized to bring Mechagodzilla over to him, had Seesar ram him, and then twisted his head off. I meant toe to toe physically bud ^_~


So what you are saying is that AS SOON as Godzilla got to fighting MG physically he started winning.

MG's entire attack strategy is based around keeping the opponent away. In HTH he is strong but has terrible armor. That's why the magnetism helped so much.

Seesar actually did something though

Yeah, I wouldn't mind throwing punches at some guy who is being held and helpless by another guy too.

I won't even reply to your last stuff, I meant King Goji and no other Goji. How could you two make the same mistake? :P

I asked you to prove this. You did not. Hence, your entire argument is flawed.

I have no idea why you are trying (failing) to convince people that Godzilla is somehow vastly different in 1955 and 1962 (same timeline, cause-and-effect relationship between films, no noticeable power difference) and yet you think that Gorosaurus is the same in KKE and DAM.

[MirrenDono]

Whao, hold on, before I reply, I gotta say, your post was completely different when I replied to it. You had none of that stuff before when I replied that you have now. Whatever I replied to was exactly what I read in your post before. When I posted, you had nothing on the different Goji notion, nothing on me apoligizing and nothing on '55 Goji and '62 Goji being different in power. Did you edit your post right after I replied or something? Because I'm seriously confused now.

[anguirus55]

I posted twice in a row, because I saw Orga's thing after I finished the first time. I must have been writing the second post at the same time you were replying to my first, posted before you, left the thread, and returned to find your reply.

Sorry for the confusion.

[MirrenDono]

Ahhh, okay thanks


Originally posted by anguirus55
According to Ishiro Honda, Toho, and everyone except you, they are all the same Godzilla.
I'm not talking about the real Godzilla, I'm talking about their forms. If the form of King Goji went up against Megaro Goji King Goji would get whomped.


Prove it.
Well from what I've heard, 55 Goji's beam is a bit more powerful, and he's a bit more vicious too.


So what you are saying is that AS SOON as Godzilla got to fighting MG physically he started winning.
No, they never fought physically, you're going off from my points, and I can't even remember them now after all this...@_@


Yeah, I wouldn't mind throwing punches at some guy who is being held and helpless by another guy too.
I meant in his first one-on-one fight with Mechagodzilla >_>


I have no idea why you are trying (failing) to convince people that Godzilla is somehow vastly different in 1955 and 1962 (same timeline, cause-and-effect relationship between films, no noticeable power difference) and yet you think that Gorosaurus is the same in KKE and DAM.
And again, I do not mean the actual Goji in the film, I mean the forms of them. '84 Goji and 90's Goji are the same, but 90's Goji is stronger right? That's what I'm getting at.

[Showa Godzilla]

I do agree with Mirren Dino here.King Goji is not a different Goji but they are different.King Goji Destructive Monster who is Cocky and fools around with opponents,Does not have the power of Magnetism or flight,Uses different Battle tactics,etc,etc.The early Showa Goji was a vicious Destructive beast,The later Showa Godzilla was an intelligent fighter.Since Goji Started out evil but then Changed to a good Daikaiju he had different fighting Skills and Personality.

[anguirus55]

Well from what I've heard, 55 Goji's beam is a bit more powerful, and he's a bit more vicious too.


I'm sorry, I still don't buy it. '55 and '62 Godzilla are similar in attitude, sudden, violent movements, and a few other things I could mention. They are only one movie apart.

No, they never fought physically, you're going off from my points, and I can't even remember them now after all this...@_@

How is twisting one's head off not physical? MG constantly tried to avoid physical hits from Godzilla, and when he got pulled in he couldn't anymore, and was wasted.

I meant in his first one-on-one fight with Mechagodzilla >_>


Seesar was physically pwned in his first fight with MG. He didn't do any real damage until Godzilla was holding him.

And again, I do not mean the actual Goji in the film, I mean the forms of them. '84 Goji and 90's Goji are the same, but 90's Goji is stronger right? That's what I'm getting at.

Godzilla got stronger because of outside interference with the timeline. If you are proposing something similar for Showa Godzilla, all I'm asking you to do is prove it. I'm not buying it.

[MirrenDono]

Thanks Showa Godzilla for a little support >_>


I'm sorry, I still don't buy it. '55 and '62 Godzilla are similar in attitude, sudden, violent movements, and a few other things I could mention. They are only one movie apart
Okay then forgive me, it's what I heard, maybe I'm wrong, and when one kaiju is more vicious than the other, he's different.


How is twisting one's head off not physical? MG constantly tried to avoid physical hits from Godzilla, and when he got pulled in he couldn't anymore, and was wasted.
Goji never once touched him before them. He magnitized, pulled him in, grabbed him and let Seesar pound him before twisting his head off. That is one single phsyical move where Mechagodzilla is stuck due to the magnization, not Goji's strength. That's all of what happens, watch the movie again if you need to, I have that entire fight with Seesar/Mechagodzill and Godzilla/Seesar/Mechagodzilla memorized to the second.


Seesar was physically pwned in his first fight with MG. He didn't do any real damage until Godzilla was holding him.
That's not what I've been getting at anyways, again you're going off from my points. And he did wound Mechagodzilla abit, maybe not alot, but when two pairs of beams nailed him and created big explosions and when Seesar rammed him, knocked him flat and created an explosion he had to wound him slightly.


Seesar was physically pwned in his first fight with MG. He didn't do any real damage until Godzilla was holding him.
I have two evidences, one directly outta the movie timeline and one from just watching yourself. When Megaro Goji got magnetized and shocked by the lightning, he now had the power to regenerate very quickly and pull metal things to him. That's a stronger Goji.

Then just watching, please don't tell me a heat ray that King Goji used that simply singed Kong's fur is just as powerful as Megaro's Goji's beam that blew up Mechagodzilla 2 in two blasts.

[PyrasTerran]

MG constantly tried to avoid physical hits from Godzilla, and when he got pulled in he couldn't anymore, and was wasted.

Technically, MG couldn't do anything even if he tried, since Godzilla turned himself into a giant magnet.

That's not what I've been getting at anyways, again you're going off from my points. And he did wound Mechagodzilla abit, maybe not alot, but when two pairs of beams nailed him and created big explosions and when Seesar rammed him, knocked him flat and created an explosion he had to wound him slightly.

It doesn't mean he had any advantage. Just like Gorosaur's kangaroo kick knocking down King Ghidorah doesn't mean it's powerful, King Ceasar able to obviously bring MechaGodzilla to the ground because he literally threw himself at him isn't too impressive either. Any kaiju can be knocked to the ground with enough force and momentum, but it's nothing to marvel at unless it's something other than just a push, like Kiryu's smackdown combo on Godzilla in GXMG, Megaguirus' plasma shot in GXM... the only time I remember Godzilla not being knocked down at all was in GMK. The most he did was get blown into the water by a super-powerful attack, and on land he only stumbled into a building once from Mothra GMK's poison.





Why are you two argueing about Godzilla? *is lost* :(



((why on earth was JJ vs. KG locked down?))

[MirrenDono]

^ Don't forget when Ghidorah did the bit push and tossed him into a building.


It doesn't mean he had any advantage. Just like Gorosaur's kangaroo kick knocking down King Ghidorah doesn't mean it's powerful, King Ceasar able to obviously bring MechaGodzilla to the ground because he literally threw himself at him isn't too impressive either. Any kaiju can be knocked to the ground with enough force and momentum, but it's nothing to marvel at unless it's something other than just a push, like Kiryu's smackdown combo on Godzilla in GXMG, Megaguirus' plasma shot in GXM... the only time I remember Godzilla not being knocked down at all was in GMK. The most he did was get blown into the water by a super-powerful attack, and on land he only stumbled into a building once from Mothra GMK's poison.
I never implied that he had an advantage, just that he wounded him, and I never said that he hurt because he knocked him down. Re-read my post again to understand it fully.


Why are you two argueing about Godzilla? *is lost* :(
Don't worry I'm just as lost as you, I'm just shooting back at whatever he says now @_@

Kinda like a freestyle debate...

[anguirus55]

I'm just shooting back at whatever he says now

Just do a little thinking before you shoot, 'kay?

My viewpoint is this. MG is great at dishing out damage, at long-range and up-close, but not so good at taking it. King Seesar lost to MG because he couldn't do enough before he got laid into by his fusillade. So would Gorosaurus. But since KS can't reflect anything from Gorosaurus, and has to contend with the kicks, the bites, and the tail, I think it is more likely that he will lose to Gorosaurus than win against him.

I have two evidences, one directly outta the movie timeline and one from just watching yourself. When Megaro Goji got magnetized and shocked by the lightning, he now had the power to regenerate very quickly and pull metal things to him. That's a stronger Goji.

The magnetism was a temporary power-up (notice how he lacks it in ToMG and he still physically PWNS MG) and it looked like a one-shot heal, not suddenly gain the power to regenerate more quickly. You do have a point though.

Then just watching, please don't tell me a heat ray that King Goji used that simply singed Kong's fur is just as powerful as Megaro's Goji's beam that blew up Mechagodzilla 2 in two blasts.

Without real evidence, about all I can conclude is that Kong has some kind of inherent heat resistence that MG lacks. Godzilla's beam seems to be used more as a cohesive beam than a spray in later films, but that doesn't mean it gets any hotter or more powerful without evidence concerning an observable quantity.

[PyrasTerran]

Don't forget when Ghidorah did the bit push and tossed him into a building.

Er? it was Godzilla who was doing the building tossing..

I never implied that he had an advantage, just that he wounded him, and I never said that he hurt because he knocked him down. Re-read my post again to understand it fully.

Again, a wound is something that inhibits combat. The only wounding he did was *after* Godzilla got his magno-funk on.

But since KS can't reflect anything from Gorosaurus, and has to contend with the kicks, the bites, and the tail, I think it is more likely that he will lose to Gorosaurus than win against him.


Now we're back on topic..

King Caesar is no pushover either, though(I remember some people fiercely defending his skills in vs. Battra Larva threads :p ). He may not have a tail to come to, but he does have judo moves, dodging, and harsh tackles and headbutts. I believe he is more aggressive than Gorosaur, and that would give him the win.

[anguirus55]

Against Battra, there is an important difference...he has beams coming in to reflect, and Battra is a big worm, lacking jaws or legs to fend him off.

I never said that KS was a pushover, and I never said he couldn't win.

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by anguirus55
Just do a little thinking before you shoot, 'kay?
Oro?


My viewpoint is this. MG is great at dishing out damage, at long-range and up-close, but not so good at taking it. King Seesar lost to MG because he couldn't do enough before he got laid into by his fusillade. So would Gorosaurus. But since KS can't reflect anything from Gorosaurus, and has to contend with the kicks, the bites, and the tail, I think it is more likely that he will lose to Gorosaurus than win against him.
Well then all I can say here is that we share different beliefs ;)



Without real evidence, about all I can conclude is that Kong has some kind of inherent heat resistence that MG lacks. Godzilla's beam seems to be used more as a cohesive beam than a spray in later films, but that doesn't mean it gets any hotter or more powerful without evidence concerning an observable quantity.
Umm, I doubt it about Kong, but meh whatever.

It doesn't matter how the beam, is, there's still evidence to that the earlier beams are weaker. When Goji comes out of the water in Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, he uses the actual beam on the ship, and doesn't even completely destroy it, he just blows it up a lil and sets it ablaze. While Megaro Goji's beam blew Mechagodzilla to nothing in one, not even charged up shot in Terror of Mechagodzilla, if you still can't find that as evidence then I just give up on the matter.


Er? it was Godzilla who was doing the building tossing..
Goji did more of the building hurl, re-watch the fight and you'll find it. Ghidorah bites him, zaps him for a few seconds, and then pushes Godzilla into the building. That's why later then he busts out of it, barrels at Ghidorah, bites him, nails Mothra with his tail and then throws him.


Again, a wound is something that inhibits combat. The only wounding he did was *after* Godzilla got his magno-funk on.
True, but then again, how are we supposed to decifer when a robot is wounded? o_o

[PyrasTerran]

Goji did more of the building hurl, re-watch the fight and you'll find it. Ghidorah bites him, zaps him for a few seconds, and then pushes Godzilla into the building. That's why later then he busts out of it, barrels at Ghidorah, bites him, nails Mothra with his tail and then throws him.


Ah, I see now.

True, but then again, how are we supposed to decifer when a robot is wounded? o_o

Easily, by their performance. MG was at his last end with KC's headbutts, and you could tell because he struggled less and less from Goji's magna-grip. All that was left to do was for Goji to perform the coup de grace with his head.

The same can be applied to MOGUERA. Post-tail-in-stomach performance was pretty low because of the "wound".

[anguirus55]

While Megaro Goji's beam blew Mechagodzilla to nothing in one, not even charged up shot in Terror of Mechagodzilla,

I'll have to watch that again, I guess, but I'm pretty sure MG was just buried.

[The Great MM]

Gorosaurus vs. King Caesar

Arena: Monster Island Jungles

Rules: NONE

who will win...

[Cole Deschain]

I give this to Seesar- although Goro doesn;t really play to his strengths or anything.

Seesar is faster, and has demonstrated greater skill in hand to hand- and his strength isn't bad, either.

[MirrenDono]

Seesar. Great agility, very nice fortitude, mega force on those rams, good physical strength, and ferocity that would make Kong look....okay so it's not that good ^_^;;;

[PyrasTerran]

Definitely Caesar.

[anguirus55]

I'm leaning Seesar, but it is of course eminently possible for either to win, like all these tooth/claw fights.

[MasteroftheSwarm]

Wow, MM sure likes pitting Gorosaurus against Ceesar...

[The Great MM]

^ what does that mean?

[MirrenDono]

From what I recall, this is only the second time the fight has been made, if not the first, and I believe this is the first time MM made it. Besides, this thread had some dang good debates going on, he had a very successful thread, that's all that should matter.

EDIT-

Okay I see where you're coming from now o_o;;;

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Stale fight, but anyways, I'm leaning towards Gorosaurus, because of Ang55's reasoning in the other topic.

King Ceesars only gimmick was that one time arm flip and the laser reflecting, the rest of the movie he was hiding under a rock for Godzilla to save his ***.

Gorosaurus has no arms for him to be flipped by, nor does he have any lasers to be reflected, this will be a straight on physical brawl, and I don't believe Ceesar has what it takes to put up with Gorosaurus's constant flurry of bites, kangaroo kicks, and maybe even a few tail whips.


*Cannot wait to see the King Ceesar cult foaming at the mouth because someone had the audacity to claim Ceesar is beatable in hand to hand combat.*

[The Great MM]

Yea, I see also what he means... Uh...any mod or admin wanna delete the other...

sorry guys, mosta forgot I made the battle before...

[Cole Deschain]

^ Nah, he's beatable. I actually give Jet Jaguar or Kong '33 very good odds against him. But Goro isn;t the beast to do it.

[Cole Deschain]

I don't believe Ceesar has what it takes to put up with Gorosaurus's constant flurry of bites, kangaroo kicks, and maybe even a few tail whips.


Goro doesn't deploy his moves that fast. "Constant flurry" would be the punches coming from the other end.

[bloodyarts]

*Cannot wait to see the King Ceesar cult foaming at the mouth because someone had the audacity to claim Ceesar is beatable in hand to hand combat.*

*foams* :angry:

No, seriously, Seesar is beatable in combat, but by opponents who can actually fight.

Gorosaurus' kick is only going to get him so far, it's not a K.O. device in any instance. His bites failed to penetrate Kong's skin and Kong was easily able to pry the jaws apart until they snapped. I don't understand when people say Kong had a hard time with Goro, as Goro spent more time laying on the ground than standing, with Kong pounding him so hard, it gave Goro muscle spasms.

This fight could go either way, but I'm leaning toward Seesar. I don't believe Seesar is as strong as Kong, but I believe he's a better fighter than Gorosaurus. Gorosaurus' hide is good protection against Seesar's scrapes and bites, but I definitely see Goro getting thrown around often and hammered a bit. Goro just doesn't have Seesar's tenacity or skills.

[anguirus55]

I don't even remember what I said in the other thread...but now that I think about it the fact is, Gorosaurus has reach on him and Seesar doesn't have the articulation or the strength to pull at the jaws or swing him or anything. So disregard my earlier post here, I'm pretty undecided in general.

One possible big Seesar advantage...according to official stats, Seesar has 22,000 metric tons on Goro. But Goro's official stats are obviously incorrect for his DAM incarnation, who stood exactly as tall as Godzilla. So that calls the mass into question as well. They may apply only to KKE.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Have any of you guys seen the relatively unknown 'Godman' series? If not, I don't suggest you get it unless you REALLY want to see kaiju like Gorosaurus and the Gargantuas in action...

In the series, Gorosaurus is Godmans' first enemy, and he DOES unleash some major flurries of attacks to devastating effect. If he does so against Ceesar, he wins, as Ceesar has no real defenses like Godman does.\

And bloodyarts, I want some proof about that last statement. Since when does hiding under a rock for an ally to come count as more tenacious than fighting to near death against a foe? King Ceesar definately does not have a tenacity advantage, nor is he much smarter(if at all) than Gorosaurus.

[MirrenDono]

Are you implying being able to take barrages of Mechagodzilla's missiles without much physical damage as 'not a good enough defense?'

I doubt that Goro's teeth can match up to those missiles...

[Aragorn_Strider22]

King Ceesar hardly stood up to those missiles, as soon as they started firing, he started hiding. Doesn't make other forms of attack unable to hurt him.

Gorosaurus may not be able to equal the amount of damage MG was dealing, but he doesn't need to, Seesar was unable to take that damage in the first place.

He can definately match the rate of attacks though.

[Cole Deschain]

Godzilla was set on fire by mechagodzilla. That never happened to Seesar. Additionally, you have to take into account just how hard Mechagodzilla hits. His kick sent Anguirus sailing through the air, after all. Just because he favors his ranghed arsenal doesn't mean that Mechagodzilla couldn't dish out close-quarter pain- which Seesar stood up to relatively well.


Mechagodzilla raised an arterial spray on Goji. No such success against Seesar.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

That doesn't make King Ceesar any stronger...it just means that Godzilla bleeds more easier than him when hit in certain areas...

Just because he made Godzilla bleed, doesn't mean he's going to make every other kaiju he attacks bleed 100% of the time.

[Cole Deschain]

^ Doesn't change the fact that Seesar stood up to the assault better, at least in terms of visible damage. He's far from being made of tissue paper.

[MirrenDono]

Yeah, you can't change the fact that Seesar had no physical damage and was still able to stand and move around.