GMK GOJI, Grand Ghidorah, Rebirth Mothra and mystical kaiju

[MirrenDono]

Now, GMK Goji has been greatly underrated and disrespected on this board due to all the fanboys, but I am not one of those people. I still see him as a very powerful kaiju who could defeat many of the kaiju who were dubbed to beat him on this board. But that's not my main point on this thread. GMK Goji has the crazy ability to absorb mystical energies, which leaves me to think that, couldn't he also take in such shots form Grand Ghidorah? Just as he did with GMK Ghidorah? And what about Rebirth Mothra? She's a mystical kaiju, couldn't he possibly in take her power and blow her away with an uber-charged beam? For now I'm leaning towards that, and also, what if he were able to absorb the Mana Beam...?

So, can he do it?

[anguirus55]

Wrong forum. Interesting idea, but wrong forum. And you have no idea how OVERrated GMK Godzilla usually is by "fanboys".

Edit: Oh, but GMK Godzilla losing to King Seesar last year was absurd! He is quite powerful, no mistake.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

He'd only be able to absorb their soul after destroying them but I think he could beat Grand Ghidorah, just not sure about Mothra.Rebirth Mothra's fast and he'd be hard to hit.

[MirrenDono]

^ I'm not absorbing their soul, I mean their power like when he took in Ghidorah's bolts. If he could absorb Grand Ghidorah's bolts his beam would take out the King of Terror in probably one blow.


Originally posted by anguirus55
Wrong forum. Interesting idea, but wrong forum. And you have no idea how OVERrated GMK Godzilla usually is by "fanboys".

Edit: Oh, but GMK Godzilla losing to King Seesar last year was absurd! He is quite powerful, no mistake.
Sorry, I had no idea where else to post it...o_o

But yeah, I've seen the overration, believe me I laughed my *** off when OPG debated that he'd defeat Majin because every time he'd die the spirits of WW2 would bring him back to life.

And yes, he had no business at all losing to Seesar, that was appalling >_<

[James Ballard]

Fanboys whining about other fanboys is always fun.

[Cole Deschain]

Grand Ghidorah doesn't strike me as terribly "mystical." Ergo, I don't see Goji absorbing any of his powers- as for non-Armored Rebirth Mothra... Yeah, I think GMK Goji would certainly have a shot there...

[MirrenDono]

Remember, this is just an idea, I'm not positive on it, I think he could possibly do it, but I'm not 100% yet.

[anguirus55]

Anyway, this should probably go in the kaiju battles section,despite the fact that it is mostly about an idea. But whatever, I'm not an admin, so I'm not positive.

[Raptor]

This is one of those topics that could no doubt be placed in several different forums. I thought about the University also but don't believe the mystical element would "fit" there. If anywhere, OTHER KAIJU DISCUSSION might be appropriate but GMK Goji is the center of it, as well as Mothra, who goes way back to the Showa films.
Kaiju Karnage is where we stage "fantasy fights" but I think we're not so much concerned about this Goji's encounters with other kaiju as we are with HOW he does it.
For now, let's just leave it here, despite reference to Majin which is someone to also consider in this type discussion.

[godzookie]

Is it mistical enery Godzilla can absorb or is it just plain energy Godzilla absorbs? If I understand correctly, souls are referred to as electricity in GMK and it is said the atomic bomb also made him stronger. His ability to absorb energy is mystical but the energy he absorbs do not have to be mystical so it stands to reason he can absorb the mana beam and any KG's bolts and counter attack with them.

[ALLOSAURZ]

^going by that logic then he should have absorbed the spirit ball

[darthzilla99]

mabey he has to learn how to absorb the energy. and on the overrated part,I think his movie is overrated(if you read my posts, you know why), but I will not deny the fact he is powerful and there is no way his beam is only medcore, because it took out a big chunk of a mountain when he shot at baragon.

[Saruman]

^ I'm not absorbing their soul, I mean their power like when he took in Ghidorah's bolts. If he could absorb Grand Ghidorah's bolts his beam would take out the King of Terror in probably one blow.Your confusing two different things, spirit energy and mystical/magical energy. They aren't the same thing, though Spirit Energy usually is classified as a sub category of Magic.

For example, take a Wizard that through his spells can shoot balls of fire from his hands. He is calling on magical energy to do so, he's not calling on Spirits to use that ability.

Take the same Wizard though and have him cast a spell on a corpse that allows him to talk to that corpse. That would be calling the spirit of the person back to his body to be able to talk to them which would be using spirit energies.

So no, I would say that GMK Goji couldn't absorb any magical energy, he can absorb spirit energy, mostly because he has spirits inside of him that are controling him. Though it is strange that he couldn't do that the first 2 fights with KG as KG's energy bits were hurting GMK Goji. But that same energy was absorbed in the third fight, its this kind of inconsistency that creates so much confusion with Kaiju films.

[darthzilla99]

Your confusing two different things, spirit energy and mystical/magical energy. They aren't the same thing, though Spirit Energy usually is classified as a sub category of Magic.

For example, take a Wizard that through his spells can shoot balls of fire from his hands. He is calling on magical energy to do so, he's not calling on Spirits to use that ability.

Take the same Wizard though and have him cast a spell on a corpse that allows him to talk to that corpse. That would be calling the spirit of the person back to his body to be able to talk to them which would be using spirit energies.

So no, I would say that GMK Goji couldn't absorb any magical energy, he can absorb spirit energy, mostly because he has spirits inside of him that are controling him. Though it is strange that he couldn't do that the first 2 fights with KG as KG's energy bits were hurting GMK Goji. But that same energy was absorbed in the third fight, its this kind of inconsistency that creates so much confusion with Kaiju films.then mabey this where my theory can in to play where if he is hit with the opponets energie attacks enough, his body learns how to ajust on how to absorb the attacks.(mothra's stinger is a phsical attack, so it does not work in this case.)

[EternalMothra]

You must remember as well. GMK Mothra and Ghidorah have different origins, and they are not as strong. That could be why the GMK Godzilla overpowered them so easily. Grand Ghidorah and Rebirth Mothra are a lot more powerful. Mothra in the trilogy was the Guardian of the entire Earth. She probably would be able to beat Godzilla. GMK Godzilla would put up a spectacular fight against the two monsters but, I highly doubt that he would be able to prevail.:)

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by Saruman
Your confusing two different things, spirit energy and mystical/magical energy. They aren't the same thing, though Spirit Energy usually is classified as a sub category of Magic.

For example, take a Wizard that through his spells can shoot balls of fire from his hands. He is calling on magical energy to do so, he's not calling on Spirits to use that ability.

Take the same Wizard though and have him cast a spell on a corpse that allows him to talk to that corpse. That would be calling the spirit of the person back to his body to be able to talk to them which would be using spirit energies.

So no, I would say that GMK Goji couldn't absorb any magical energy, he can absorb spirit energy, mostly because he has spirits inside of him that are controling him. Though it is strange that he couldn't do that the first 2 fights with KG as KG's energy bits were hurting GMK Goji. But that same energy was absorbed in the third fight, its this kind of inconsistency that creates so much confusion with Kaiju films.
Aye, but how do we know the Guardians didn't have mystical energy in them? Or that the RoM series kaiju don't have spirtual energy in them? Yes those two forms of energy are different, but they're so similar in form and physical shape how can you tell without someone saying what it is or elaborate explanation?

[Saruman]

Aye, but how do we know the Guardians didn't have mystical energy in them? Or that the RoM series kaiju don't have spirtual energy in them? Yes those two forms of energy are different, but they're so similar in form and physical shape how can you tell without someone saying what it is or elaborate explanation?
Because they simply tell you right in the movie that they are Guradian Spirits protecting Japan.

[MirrenDono]

Oh no duh, but I mean I've always thought that Spiritual kaiju can have mystical energy in them, and likewise with Mystical kaiju, only with spirit energy. Just my opinion though.

[EternalMothra]

I don't know, that's a hard one. It could be right, but I don't know, but wait if spiritual kaiju like from GMK had mystical powers in them, they might have had enough power to defeat Godzilla.

[Saruman]

Oh no duh, but I mean I've always thought that Spiritual kaiju can have mystical energy in them, and likewise with Mystical kaiju, only with spirit energy. Just my opinion though.
Sure that is always a possibility, and you can find it in things like D&D, RIFTS, WarHammer, ect..

In this case though I would highly doubt that, the reasons are pretty simple. For starters, it's the spirits of the dead that brought GMK Godzilla back to life. This is going to make him attuned to spirit energies as the spirits themselves are controling Godzilla. The Guardians are Spirit Beasts, they tell you that in the movie, so we know thats what drives them. We see when all 3 of the Spirit Beasts die, and this is one of the misconceptions about Godzilla in this movie, its not that he is blowing them apart, but the physical body is dead so the spirit energies inside of it are released. Those spirit energies then seek out the remaining Guardians and combine with them to make them more powerful.

Now you go over to the Mothra Trilogy. Mothra is a magical creature, she/he draws her power directly from the Earth itself or as most people would call it, she uses Mana as her power source. Mana is the life force of the Earth and all living things on it, yes it is a very magical energy. It's the same force that powers Heisei Gamera as well.

They are both magical energies, but they are pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum, Spiritual energies, especially in GMK revolve around the dead. Where in the Mothra Trilogy, Mothra's energies are based on the living life force of things, mostly the planet itself. Because of that, I have no doubt that Trilogy Mothra would put a serious beat down on any of the GMK kaiju.

[MirrenDono]

Ahhhh, I getcha. I wasn't completely knowing that all GMK kaiju revolved around dead spirits. Alright, I can understand.

For now, the facts is that GMK Goji can't absorb mystical energies. Possibility though? Maybe ;)

Thanks for clearing that up ^_^