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Paulzilla

December 5th, 2003, 05:34 PM

Who do you like better. Godzilla rules over Kong. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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Emperor Violenjiger

December 5th, 2003, 07:25 PM

I think most of the fans here, like both Kong and Godzilla the same. And, my opinion is, pretty much, I like them equal. I don't let the fact that one beat the other full me with rage and malicious hate.

Kingu Kongu tai Gojira (1962) made more money than any of the Showa Era Godzilla films from Toho. And Mosura tai Gojira (1964) is considered by many fans to be superior than the original, Gojira (1954). Known care, or even let the fact that Godzilla got beaten ruin our day. Why can't you just accept it? Huh? I am not trying to sound mean, offensive or hurtful but c'mon! Don't you think this is becoming kind of childish?

I like Godzilla, and I like Kong. I enjoyed the movie, and thats all. If Toho wanted the Big G to loose, then that's their decision. Who cares?

I like Mothra (of course, that maybe because her origins lay with outer space), and I really enjoyed Godzilla vs. the Thing (1964). It certainly is one of the best Godzilla films out there. The Mothra larvaes kicking Godzilla's ***, isn't going to prevent me from enjoying a masterpiece like this. And from the looks of things, most fans won't let it bug them either.

Kaiju_Sensai

December 7th, 2003, 06:55 PM

<font color='#008080'>I honestly think King Kong is overrated. I loved the whole Skull Island stuuf with all the dinosaurs and such, but it went kinda downhill after Kong was taken to New York. I am looking forward to Peter Jackson's King Kong remake though, heard he is gonna focus on the dinosaurs more t5han anything else. A very good coice if ya ask me. Giant gorilla's don't do a whole lot for me. Give me gigantic radioactive rampaging reptiles anyday.

juan

December 8th, 2003, 02:15 PM

I prefer Godzilla. but we cannot underestimate Kong'simportance to monster movies.

Daikaijuking

December 8th, 2003, 06:20 PM

he's right. I though prefer Godzilla over kong. In king kong vs. Godzilla the only reason toho made king kong win was because the fact that he was more popular at the time, if G was more popular i'm sure he would have won not kong.

Paulzilla

December 9th, 2003, 11:21 PM

Quote[/b] (Radioactive_Lizard_1983 @ Dec. 07 2003,18:55)]I honestly think King Kong is overrated. I loved the whole Skull Island stuuf with all the dinosaurs and such, but it went kinda downhill after Kong was taken to New York. I am looking forward to Peter Jackson's King Kong remake though, heard he is gonna focus on the dinosaurs more t5han anything else. A very good coice if ya ask me. Giant gorilla's don't do a whole lot for me. Give me gigantic radioactive rampaging reptiles anyday.
But he's still going to kill the T-rex. That's one of the things I hate about him. No offence.
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SuperXAsh

December 10th, 2003, 02:32 AM

SO WHAT? Paul, you're becoming obnoxious about this.

Me? I eventually got to the point in my life (Now) where I can't really choose between them.

Back in the days of my youth, I would have easily chosen Godzilla. I was and still am, a dinosaur fan at heart.

I still liked King Kong, but Godzilla then was my first foremost choice.

Now I'm a big fan of both of them. I can't really choose between them. Both were there when I was growing up. Both have had an impact on me during those years. Kong in a ways, introduced me into the world of monsters and the like. Godzilla brought me into it further by introducing me to Japanese Giant Monsters.

I'm angry at how some Kaiju fans love to diss the big ape. They act like Kong didn't blaze any trails for the kaiju we know and admire today. They love to act like Kong's a big weakling. To this I always feel a sense of shame in how some fans regard the big guy... not giving him his just dues and respect he undoutedly deserves.

Godzilla's not in any of the least different, but he's just had a larger movie career.

Lost World = King Kong = Beast from 20,000 Fathoms = Godzilla = Gamera.

There's a reason why I have these three icons always in my posts... and I'm pretty sure I just gave a good reason as to why.

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Showa Mothra #1

December 10th, 2003, 11:17 AM

I find it funny how three of Godzilla's most popular rivals are hated by so many people. Kong, Mothra, and Gamera, specifically. Why can't people accept the fact Kong won, instead of brigining up this fanboy nonsense. Mothra proved she could beat Godzilla, yet, she is hated by so many fans because of that. Just like King Kong too.

Godzilla guy

December 10th, 2003, 12:50 PM

Quote[/b] (Paulzilla @ Dec. 10 2003,12:26)]Quote[/b] (obi-juan82 @ Dec. 08 2003,14:15)]I prefer Godzilla. but we cannot underestimate Kong'simportance to monster movies.
I agree. But everybody's like jumping on me. It's like i'm stupid or somthing. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif
You're not stupid paul. It' just you've been going on and on about this ever since I came to the roost. It seems that the only reason you put Kong down is because he beat Godzilla. Calm down about it, OK?

As for the topic, I like them both the same. Although I have never seen Gojira I still like Godzilla. Godzilla vs King Kong was cool but I don't let it effect my opinions towards the original King Kong. If you admit that you liked King Kong Paul no one will point and say 'HA THAT MEANS YOU LIKE KONG AND THOUGHT HE SHOULD OF WON!!!!' Because they won't. Watch King Kong and get rid of the bruning rage for Godzilla vs King Kong and see what you think.

Godzilla54

December 10th, 2003, 04:12 PM

I never really liked King Kong and still dislike him but I know he is important in monster movie history but Godzilla is the best monster IMO.

Raptor

December 10th, 2003, 04:50 PM

It's fine having favorites. I'm sure everyone has personal preferences, and for a variety of reasons. I just like to see them all (especially up on a big screen). And you are only watching one movie at a time so I think the best way is to sit back (or on the edge of your seat! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ) and let ANY of these fantastic tales unfold as they were intended, regardless of what other similar ones you might be familiar with or even how many times you've seen it. It's a "suspension of disbelief" where "movie magic" can really take over!

Mothraleo

December 10th, 2003, 05:19 PM

<font color='#0000FF'>Well, I lean just a bit more towards Godzilla. Mabey its because he has more movies. I think SuperXAsh may remeber my own little kong hatred period yes,no. I do realize Kong won in kkvsGodzilla, which isn't why I lean away from Kong, but mabey do to the fact I've never scene the 1933 ( yes never).Beyond KKvs.Godzilla all I have scene is KINO (76). I need to give Kong a chanse.    http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingkongsmilie.gif

Mirren

December 10th, 2003, 06:43 PM

I like Godzilla much better, and I'm not a fan of Kong, but he's okay.

Quote[/b] ]It seems that the only reason you put Kong down is because he beat Godzilla

Meh, I still say it was a tie

Kaiju Nexus

December 10th, 2003, 09:32 PM

godzilla.

kong is DEFINITELY overrated.  He is thorougly important to the fandom, but he is by far not the greatest kaiju!

Mirren

December 10th, 2003, 09:48 PM

Maybe so, but man you're really layin' the smacdown on Kong with all your despise and hatred in the threads...

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Doctor Whu

December 10th, 2003, 10:38 PM

I'm not sure I understand the question.

Do you mean which film do I like better KING KONG (33) or GODZILLA (54). In that case I would answer KONG. Not saying that G54 is not a fine film, just that I enjoy watching KONG better.

Now if you are talking the character of  GODZILLA and TOHO KONG, I would choose GODZILLA. I always thought TOHO KONG a bit bufoonish and a shadow of his name-sake (but he beat Godzilla, not to mention Gorosaurus).

Its silly to compare these two. KONG 33 is a classic American icon (which Jackson, like DeLarentas before him,  will seek to cash in on). Godzilla is an icon in America as well - representing a time in filmmaking when people were asked to suspend their disbelief and believe a man in a rubber suit could smash a city...

Paulzilla

December 11th, 2003, 06:11 PM

Quote[/b] (baragon2003 @ Dec. 10 2003,17:47)]Both. SXA has perfect reasons as to why he likes both. I feel the same, and neither of their wins affect me.

King Kong beat Godzilla. SO WHAT? Godzilla was evil, Kong was good. Good always wins against evil. There is NO NEED to repeat your hatred for Kong because he won against Godzilla. Do you want me to repeatedly say how much I dislike GMK? FYI, I almost got in trouble at MZ for doing that. Ask KPA, he may remember.

So Paul, no one is JUMPING on you. We're all just tired of the same "I hate Kong. Godzilla rules!" topics from you. Do us a big favor and STOP.

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P.S. It's my own opinion that Kong's bad. There's nothing wrong with that! And you can keep YOUR opinions and listen up! I have my opinion, and you have YOURS. That's what forums are all about acually. To post your thoughts.
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Saruman

December 11th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Paul, your not listening to what people are saying. No one is yelling at you, they are just trying to explain that at some point you have to stop with the Kong bashing threads. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. Its just people are tired of reading the same posts over and over again from you. If you don’t like Kong, that’s fine, its your opinion, but we all know that already, so its pointless to keep posting about it. It gets really aggravating after a while. That's all that they are saying, their not trying to make you feel bad.

Tokyo VigilanteX

December 12th, 2003, 10:48 PM

I love the orginal kong it was so creative,I was only like 8 when I saw it and a giant ape fighting dinosaurus appealed to me.
It was a big step in monster movie genre,I personelly don't think that the orginal godzilla would have been as good in the states without Kong to "prepare" the public for this type of movie.

As for your ranting,Iam new so I not so sure about your kong and mothra problem Ive got 6 words THERE HERE GET USE TO IT http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nod.gif    http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nod.gif

GBandit

August 24th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Just wanted everyones gerneral feedback, I am a huge King Kong fan and I find that many, many Kaiju fans dislike him.

WHATS THE DEELY YO'

Evil alla Pure

August 24th, 2004, 05:19 PM

I have no hate for the big ape. The idea of letting him absorb lightning was pretty cool. The only problem I have with him was the design of the KKvsG one. Not enough facial expressions IMO. And that remake and KKLives, that one was sad. Other than that I like Kong a lot.

Trauma

August 24th, 2004, 05:28 PM

i think kong is pretty cool he puts up exellent fights even though he lacks some long range techniques. Some ppl just think he is just dumb... but i think he is awesome kind of like varan i still hope for king kong 2005 will bring in some new fans!:thumbs: :D

The Great MM

August 24th, 2004, 06:34 PM

SuperXAsh

August 24th, 2004, 06:54 PM

I bet I know why he and many others like him hate the big ape. 9_9 Same ol' song n' dance, same ol' dog and pony show.

Cause he beat Godzilla in King Kong vs. Godzilla Wah Wah Wah... blah blah blah... yadda yadda yadda. :sly:

I'm sure I don't need to tell you all wether or not I like the big ape. I'd like to think that it's pretty much well known by now.

:kingkong: :kinggoji: :gamera:

SuperXAsh

August 24th, 2004, 06:58 PM

Mothraleo

August 24th, 2004, 07:23 PM

I don't hate him. But I just don't like him that much. I acually like the Toho Kong more than the 70's, but 33 owns the apes.

Solar_Behemoth

August 24th, 2004, 07:51 PM

Baryonyx13

August 24th, 2004, 07:58 PM

Alright, time to end these why hate whoever things. Everyothing that beats Godzilla is crap and deserves to die and will forever get slandered in the KK and in all other medias.

Not my opinion, but come on, that's the reason and you all know it.
I have no hate for the ape, but there are many, many fanboys.

Flame

August 24th, 2004, 08:07 PM

I don't like King Kong he is kinda annoying to me and I just plain hate him because he was kinda cheap in the second battle of KKvs.G but I heard the original Kong from 1933 was cool but I have never seen the movie.

The remake of Kong was also stupid he climbs the twin towers and he kills a crummy flame thrower guy and then mr. Long hair and beard guy cheers in a strange way by saying WOOO HOO or something like that similar to guys at BaseBall games.

Tokyo VigilanteX

August 24th, 2004, 08:22 PM

Dude,Kongs cool.
The great thing about him is the fact he has a much larger belief factor then Godzilla.
Reason?
Apes are very powerful animals,and if they were to grow as big as the 33 Kong,they'd have ebough muscle to support there own mass.
Very cool,very unsettling.
Ive got nothing againest KK,and the whole "BOOO-HOOO KONG BETS GODZILLA!!!HE MUST BE THE SPAWN OF SATAN!"crap is very old,and very immature.I could really care less if Kong Beat Godzilla.

Shin lvl2 Goji

August 24th, 2004, 08:53 PM

I've always liked Kong I think the main thing about him that people don't like is how he beat Godzilla with his lack of flashy powers.Yes he is a giant gorilla but he's a great fighter and could hold his own easily against not only Godzilla but many monsters as well.As for design I wish they would've kept the head from 62 Kong when they made King Kong Escapes the one they used was just too goofy.I always wanted to see Kong have a few more adventures of his own outside of just having remakes of the original story or things that don't stray too far from it.

GBandit

August 24th, 2004, 09:42 PM

GBandit

August 24th, 2004, 09:52 PM

In your opinion. People don't have to like King Kong.

I'm just saying, he's making his opinion off the worst KK movie....and he sounds like a 9 year old.

ALLOSAURZ

August 24th, 2004, 09:54 PM

KK 33' gets mad props from me not only because his movie is one of the greatest movies of all time but because without him there would be no Godzilla. KK33' gave us the giant monster on the loose scenario. He was the original giant monster.However I will admit I dislike the 62' imposter as that wasn't kong. I was expecting the real kong to show up and rumble with godzilla instead of that ogre of a kong

Mothraleo

August 24th, 2004, 10:12 PM

King Kong (33) might be one of the greatest movies of all time, but I my self prefer something silly and comidic like King Kong vs. Godzilla.

kent

August 24th, 2004, 10:36 PM

I'm just saying, he's making his opinion off the worst KK movie....and he sounds like a 9 year old.

And you aren't?

Anyways, I don't hate the ape. I have never dissed the ape nor have I stated I hated/disliked him. I like him. I thought his 1933 film was the best. The 70s films, I thought were decent but nothing really spectacular.

Wendigo_Rex

August 24th, 2004, 10:41 PM

I have only seen Kong 33, Son of Kong and Godzilla vs King kong. If I had a chance to see one of these flims again I would pick King Kong 33. It is just a great flim.

Cole Deschain

August 24th, 2004, 11:03 PM

Kong '33- Absolutely brilliant. A magnificent piece of work... The Kong/Rex fight remians one of the most impressive (and brutal) battles between giant monsters ever made.

However...

Toho's version was tres crummy. Didn't look right (aged chimpanzee, anyone?), won through twinkery rather than ability (well, not in KKE, but that movies got other problems).

The 70s- Argh. Way to butcher a perfectly good creature...

So, Gbandit... in answer to your question... it's probably that not enough people pay attention to the 1933 version, and that the Toho version had the double strike of some legitimate problems, coupled with the fanboy factor.

Kaiju_Sensai

August 25th, 2004, 01:21 AM

I don't hate Kong, I'm real excited to see the new one, I just don't think much of a giant gorilla. Like the original the only good part is when they're on Skull Island with the dinosaurs, but things get pretty boring after they get to New York. I actually like Son of Kong better. As for Kong in King Kong vs Godzilla, actually no it wasn't Kong. It had no connection the the 1933 film, thus it wasn't the real King Kong. At least thats the way I see it.

PS. Actually the 1925 The Lost World is the first ever example of the giant monster on the loose idea. King Kong's actually kinda like a remake, but with a gorilla in New York in place of the Apatosaurus in London.

anguirus55

August 25th, 2004, 08:49 AM

King Kong is one of my favorite movies. There is no question by those of us who have done any research at all (or, like, seen it) that it is one of the best and most influential movies of all time. And it's not like Godzilla would have existed without Kong anyway, so some people need to get their heads out of their nether regions.

Son of Kong was pretty damn good for a rushed sequel (I just have a special place in my heart for this and the much-maligned GRA) and brought back the best character from 1933.

Now, Toho's version of Kong...sorry fellas, but it's a disgrace. Anyone who hates GINO should hate Toho Kong for the same reasons. Sorry Mr. Tsuburaya, you blew it.

KKvsG was a fun satire (or so I hear) but the American version has nothing to recommend it except one of Toho's better-choreographed fights.

KKE...the best thing that came out of it was Gorosaurus.

King Kong '76 was Kong without dinosaurs and with all the good characters name-changed and made to conform to current movie standards of "good" and "evil". Give me Denham, not Charles Grodin in a stupid-looking mustache. And where are the ******* dinosaurs!?

King Kong Returns...I've only seen the end of it. Had maybe three good ideas, the rest was cruddy.

MouthForWar

August 25th, 2004, 02:54 PM

Same reason people hate Mothra. He beat Godzilla.

Kaiju_Sensai

August 25th, 2004, 03:03 PM

He killed T-Rex too. Just like Spinosaurus. I for one have nothing against Kong beating Godzilla. Godzilla was the bad guy so he had to loose. Thats just the way it suppose to be. The bad guy (Godzilla) always looses & the good guy (Kong) always wins. Plain & simple.

Flame

August 25th, 2004, 06:25 PM

I'm just saying, he's making his opinion off the worst KK movie....and he sounds like a 9 year old.
Dude don't insult me because my opinion and I'm not 9 I'm a teenager. I might change my mind about Kong when I see the 1933 movie. My stupid friend always annoys me saying that Godzilla King of the Monsters (a very good movie) SUCKED! and that King Kong 33 would be able to kill Godzilla 1954 no problem.

DUH! Godzilla is 5 times taller than that kong and Godzilla KOTM did not suck.
I might change my mind about Kong in the future but no matter what Godzilla will alwayse be Number 1 in my book;)

bloodyarts

August 25th, 2004, 08:08 PM

I love the Great Ape. He and Godzilla share the throne, but Kong sits a mite higher.

He's my first exposure to monster movies. My family used to sit and watch the Kong marathons every Thanksgiving way back in the mid-70s. Many, many happy memories attached to Kong. If you want to see a kickass Kong, you really need to see the original 1933 King Kong.

I was absolutely tickled when he beat Godzilla. As far as I'm concerned, he didn't need the power-up to beat Godzilla; he was doing just fine until he hit his head on that rock that knocked him cold.

It's too bad many of the younger kaiju fans don't appreciate Kong, probably due in part to less exposure to him. If he had more movies, and if the exisiting Kong movies (including the original and even Disney's Mighty Joe Young) were aired more often, people might warm up to him.

Also, because Kong lacks flashy beam weapons or other attacks, he's underestimated. Kong is brute strength personified. His brains, speed, agility, and savagery (well, '33 version, anyway) combined with the admittedly cheesy electrical enhancement make him one of the most dangerous kaiju in existence.

I guess in Kong's case, you had to have been there. I was, and to me, he's the greatest monster of all time.

Cookson

August 25th, 2004, 08:14 PM

King Kong is awesome. My english teacher must like him to. He has a big poster of the original King Kong movie in the class room.

Zigra

August 29th, 2004, 06:08 PM

Cole seems to have summed up a lot of my own opinions. I like the orignal '33 Kong, but any version after that.......yuck! Hell, my hatred for the '62 version has nothing to do with him beating Godzilla, it's because he was given a horrible HORRIBLE suit and design! Possibly one of the worst things I've seen used in a kaiju film.

Don't even get me started about that atrocious '76 remake.......

darthzilla99

August 29th, 2004, 10:23 PM

I love kong. him and godzilla are just the man ( or should I say the monsters.) I have nothing against him beating godzilla, just the way he beat him. It would have been better if they fought in the city and kong was going on top of buildings and thowing stuff at godzilla using gorilla tatics.

Husnock

August 29th, 2004, 10:29 PM

I have no hatred for the original reigning King of the Movie Monsters and granddaddy of all Kaiju, however, that doesn't mean he's at the very tiptop of my list (anyone who knows me by any degree should know by now that that spot has looong been occupied :inlove: :legion: :inlove: ).

His very first outing was a great film, and SoK... well, I haven't seen it in a good long while, so the jury's out on that one for the time being. And I've never seen the "King Kong Goes to Edo" or whatever it was titled, so same goes for that.

As for anything else afterwards... Stupid. Just plain stupid. KKvsG was amusing for awhile, and I don't hate Kong himself for being the better of that fight. Nope, it was the design (to this day which I still hate), and the movie itself. Same goes for KKE. Like ang said, the only good thing to come out of that mess was Gorosaurus. Toho Kong is, for all purposes, a stupid, overrated ripoff that I refuse to acknowledge as so much as a relative of the real God of Skull Island.

And the '70's films sucked, too, to touch on them. Honestly, America should've quit with SoK rather than churning out these crapfests. Haven't seen Queen Kong, but I've heard it wasn't much better.

Kong's best hope right now is that his '05 flik doesn't fall flat on its face like so many other good-sounding concepts have, but I'm still weary of that...

SuperXAsh

August 30th, 2004, 01:24 AM

The 70's remake had it's decent share of ups. It made Kong's girl (Dwan in this one... a name that still sounds stupid) more sympathetic to him over time, as she began to realize that he'd NEVER hurt her, and began to even come close to liking the big ape. Course this is more or less a result of different views in different time periods. Anne had more things to be scared of than Dwan did, I'm pretty sure if Dwan had to go through almost being eaten by a T-Rex, almost eaten by a Plesiosaur/Snake Thing and being almost carried off by a Pteradon... she'd be at her wits end too.

The suit and animatronics they used to bring Kong to life were pretty damn cool for their time. The guy in the suit did a pretty convincing job as the King and God of Skull Island. Got down a lot of the gorilla mannerisms and whatnot.

The rest just fell flat on it's face. Changing all the characters's name and their occupations was the first strike against this movie. I could've handled the necessary changes to the Denham Character as well as the Anne character... back to that different time periods thing... but making Jack Driscoll into some stupid unwashed hippie activist was the point where the film crossed the line for me first.

Then to NOT bring in Dinosaurs, NOT TO BRING IN DINOSAURS, NOT TO BRING IN F***IN' DINOSAURS was the last straw to break the camels back. The battles between Kong and the many Saurian Denizens of Skull Island is what made most of the movie... and just having Kong wrassle with a big dorky snake just isn't going to cut it friends. You need to have the famous clash between the Kings, Kong and the Rex, to truelly recreate about half the Kong experience.

Then to add salt to the wound, what is supposed to be the final climactic moment of the Kong story, the big face-off atop a big building (Empire State Building in '33 version, WTC in '70's version) didn't have half the action or emotion that the original had. Kong just basically got chewed up by a helicopter's miniguns for about five to ten minutes before falling.

King Kong Lives is kinda... different to me. On one hand, it's a terrible attempt to bring back the star character, and on the other hand... has Kong at some of his most meanest and toughest ever.

They took out the whole "Kong and Human Woman" love concept, and brought in a female kong to finally... give Kong a woman of his own size. I guess if they had been able to make a third movie... it'd be called "Son of Kong"... but even the intriguing idea of there being another big ape (cause there just HAS to be... where'd else Kong come from?) just... doesn't work after even the remake's storyline. Once Kong comes back, he'd probably go looking for Dwan. Hell if the original Kong came back, he'd go looking for Anne, he didn't go through all that HELL just to forget about this woman.

Let's not dwell upon the "drunken hicks" scene... which just screams of a rip-off from one of the Marvel Godzilla comics. 9_9

The only minimal saving grace that this film has with me, is the final battle that Kong has with the crazy general and his platoon. It just shows Kong as one tough sonuva*****, taking the full brunts of a military assault and still going on strong. Stubborn and Tough as hell, not willing to fall till his enemies have been vanquished or he dies trying. But one things for sure... they'd have to kill him... there'd be no other alternative to that final showdown. Two opponents (Kong and that General) who are too stubborn to back down, no other way of getting passed this outcome.

But not even this kickass scene could save an otherwise dismall and dumb movie.

:kinggoji: :gamera: :kingkong:

Gorgozilla

August 30th, 2004, 01:27 AM

[QUOTE=anguirus55King Kong '76 was Kong without dinosaurs and with all the good characters name-changed and made to conform to current movie standards of "good" and "evil". Give me Denham, not Charles Grodin in a stupid-looking mustache. And where are the ******* dinosaurs!?

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You hit the nail on the head. The lack of dinosaurs was what disappointed me about KK76. For the $$ they wasted on that mechanical model that they used for about one second, they could have had Harryhausen do some decent dinosaurs. Hopefully, the PJ remake will make up for that. The suit was pretty good.

The original KK33 is at the top of my favorites list, usually the one I name if asked what my favorite movie is. But some of the dialog is really corny, I always cringe when Driscoll says "Hey, I guess I love you!"

The Toho Kong was very goofy looking, as many have said. That's all I have against him. I'd like to see a modern remake of KKVG with a better suit (a la KK76).

I saw KKVG at the theater when I was 8. I still remember standing in front of the theater window every day after school with friends, looking at the poster and arguing about who would win. I was sure it would be Godzilla. The firebreath seemed to cinch it for me. As Robert Ranting said, "fur is flammable." I got razzed when I turned out to be wrong. But do I hold that against Kong? No way! Kong's one of my favorites.

Paulzilla

September 3rd, 2004, 12:38 PM

King Kong is cool, but way over rated by some people. I mean hes strong and all, but c'mon, not that strong.

He needed a power boost to beat Godzilla, and even then, it wasn't that of an experienced Godzilla. If it would have been like Showa Godzilla 70s, it would have ended in a tie or Kong losing.

Plus, Kong isn't that original. Hes just a giant ape, nothing more, nothing less. Right on!!

Well, I don't really HATE kong, I just hate having him kill inisant dinosaurs and people. And I do agree, a giant ape wouldn't be that strong, and a T-Rex and giant raidoactive dinosaur that stupid.

Also, I hate it how Kong is loved by humans. I mean, did you see king kong the movie?? Kong ate, stomped, and killed thousands of inisant poeple, and when he killed some soldiers, the people and scientists cheerd!!

I just wish they'd just have a giant ape. No killing, no blood, no craking bones, no poor dinosaurs.

And one more thing, GBandit, It's our own opinion for hating kong! There's nothing wrong with that!
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GBandit

September 3rd, 2004, 01:42 PM

[QUOTE=Paulzilla]Right on!!

Also, I hate it how Kong is loved by humans. I mean, did you see king kong the movie?? Kong ate, stomped, and killed thousands of inisant poeple, and when he killed some soldiers, the people and scientists cheerd!!

I just wish they'd just have a giant ape. No killing, no blood, no craking bones, no poor dinosaurs.
QUOTE]

what kind of Kaiju fan are you, thats what Kaiju are all about killing and smashing cities and humans.

the reason why the humans cheered for Kong is that he was kidnapped by them and chained up and wronfully treated, so when he got loose it was like " yeah thats what you get for kidnapping him scumbags"

Godzilla guy

September 3rd, 2004, 01:57 PM

Paulzilla, you have no right to say that with you're love for Godzilla. And he isn't 'just a giant ape' he's an island GOD! And I dont see how it's so 'stupid' that he can beat a mutated dinosaur (Godzilla) and normal dinosaurs. He is a god after all. And Paulzilla, from evidence from the earlier days, you only hated Kong because he beat Godzilla. You came out with these new 'reasons' afterwards.

No offence intended.

Soundwave

September 3rd, 2004, 02:41 PM

King Kong vs. Godzilla is actually one of my favorite [Godzilla] movies... @_@

I don't hate Kong. But he isn't one of my favorites, either. I didn't mind the KKvsG suit, actually (the only thing I wished was his fingers were moveable...).

I don't remember KKE (I saw it a while ago), but I do remember that God-awful suit. The only good thing about the suit was the moving fingers x_x

I don't think I've seen the '33 Kong, but he looks pretty good. I remember reading someone saying, "If you hate GINO, you should hate Toho Kong for the same reasons." Well, I actually like Toho Kong ('62, though) as well as the original, and still dislike GINO.

The Great MM

September 3rd, 2004, 04:39 PM

I don't see why people hate GINO and love Toho 62 Kong. Both of the characters ruined (or almost) their characters. Face it, the only reason Toho Kong is liked better is because he appeared in a Godzilla movie.

SuperXAsh

September 12th, 2004, 03:18 AM

While Kong is certainly not one of my favorites, I still like him anyways.
His Toho carnation was pretty bad, but the American 1933 was very cool.

The most common reason why Kong is hated is because he beat Godzilla with his silly electrical power-charge. Also, by now, with rip-offs like Konga and Mighty Joe Young, King Kong has lost his originality.

HV... don't start on that subject of Rip-offs and Originality in the realm of Daikaiju Films. Cause I can think of a certain radioactive dinosaur whose had his own fair share of rip-offs and copies through out the years as well. :sly: So don't even begin to mention loss of originality due to huge numbers of rip-offs and copies. ok? We cool?

:kinggoji: :gamera: :kingkong:

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Hey you guys. I would like everyone to know that I am still hate kong. But not cuz he's a gorilla. It's because he picks on my favorite stuff. Godzilla, dinosaurs, and also kills inisant people very voilentley (that's why I hated the movie because it was so voilent). If Kong didn't pick on dinos and godzilla, I'd like him. Plus, I saw what happened in the suggestions section in the the thread "most memorable moments" where superXash was saying that he really didn't like me much and that I said was stupid.

It REALLY ticked me off. In fact, I exploded a little. And I'm sry about that. It's just that, I really wouldn't like anybody talking about what happened about back then. Cuz that really made a big dent in my life and I don't want it to happen again. And yes, I'm still gonna write storys of kong getting beat up and everything. But it's my own opinion. Anyway, have a great day, you guys. And reply soon.

Toodles,
Paulzilla :)
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state alchemist

April 16th, 2005, 03:51 PM

:D i'm lmao after reading your reasons for not liking kong.

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 03:59 PM

:D i'm lmao after reading your reasons for not liking kong. Well, I just like dinosaurs, that's all. :D
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The Great MM

April 16th, 2005, 04:00 PM

I know your young and stuff...but if you don't like violence, hate people getting killed, and don't like kaiju getting "picked" on...then why are you a Godzilla fan...that's just about all the series has to offer is violence.

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 04:17 PM

Well Its not that odd. I dislike kong for the same reasons.
Most monsters kill either by accident or out of hunger, kong shows no real reason for half the people he kills. He walks right up and drops everyone off the log in the original, He snatches people out of their beds and drop them from immense heights, he picks up random people, puts them in his mouth, and stomps them. He has no good reason. He's the closest thing to a jerk in the kaiju world.

He also is known for a downright HATRED of ALL things reptillian.
If thats not a reason for a reptile supporter to hate him I dunno what is.

The Great MM

April 16th, 2005, 04:21 PM

Apes are territorial, that's why he did everything he did. Face it, the sailers were in HIS HOME, what would you do if I try and brake into your house and get your so-called girl friend? Just stand there? No.

And how can he be a reptile hater if EVERY time when he fought a dinosaur they attacked him or Ann (The Blond he "loved"), again, would you just stand there and go "come eat her" or "come eat me"?

MirrenDono

April 16th, 2005, 04:26 PM

............

I don't even let minor immaturity or youthfulness be a reasonable excuse for crap like that...

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 04:27 PM

Apes are territorial, that's why he did everything he did. Face it, the sailers were in HIS HOME, what would you do if I try and brake into your house and get your so-called girl friend? Just stand there? No.

Kong didnt kill everything in his terrytory, and he should have overlooked small, seemingly harmless humans. Did you know apes have been knoen to pick up and pet small animals?

And how can he be a reptile hater if EVERY time when he fought a dinosaur they attacked him or Ann (The Blond he "loved"), again, would you just stand there and go "come eat her" or "come eat me"?

That was the movie, I cant hate an animal for defending the one it loves but in the book it was stated that kong stands for a hatred of all things reptillian.
That kinda makes for a negative reaction to reptile lovers.

Cosmos

April 16th, 2005, 04:28 PM

...Kong's a monster.. ..in a monster movie.. things get squished when bigger things stomp around.. if you've ever swatted a mosquitto or spider, lest us not throw stones upon the fictional.

I dig that Kong, indeed, because he's a ladies man, a romantic, and most importantly a stoner drunk for that berry juice.

down with dino's.

The Great MM

April 16th, 2005, 04:32 PM

Kong didnt kill everything in his terrytory, and he should have overlooked small, seemingly harmless humans. Did you know apes have been knoen to pick up and pet small animals?

Then I take you enjoy the company of bugs in your house?

That was the movie, I cant hate an animal for defending the one it loves but in the book it was stated that kong stands for a hatred of all things reptillian.

Big difference in books and movies. And do you know why he hates reptiles...CAUSE THEY KILLED HIS PARENTS...

That kinda makes for a negative reaction to reptile lovers.

Yea...then I guess you must hate Godzilla then also...cause half the kaiju he kills are reptilian.

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 04:44 PM

Then I take you enjoy the company of bugs in your house?
Well now that you mention it I do.
But still, There is a difference between a forest that can never be cleansed of all small animals and a human house where most small animals are killed if they enter.
Apes really do pet small animals, they are not a 4th as agressive as kong.

Big difference in books and movies. And do you know why he hates reptiles...CAUSE THEY KILLED HIS PARENTS...

Well Im pretty sure there are several versions of why kong fights reptiles. Thats one variation.
And its stupid to hate an entire class of animals because a couple from that class killed his parents.
Yea...then I guess you must hate Godzilla then also...cause half the kaiju he kills are reptilian.
Half of his allies are reptillian too.
He fights reptillian kaiju because
1. they attack him
2. They stand between him and his goal

And new york wasnt kong's territory. True, he was being held captive but he went after people who had nothing to do with his capture, and werent even acknowledging his existance until he went after them.

Cole Deschain

April 16th, 2005, 04:46 PM

Hey, Kong was perfectly content with his occasional "bride," and he certainly didn't come crashing into the human village until Ann Darrow had been taken from him by the stinking humans. The T-Rex? Trying to eat Ann. The Elasmosnake? Trying to eat Ann. The Pteranodon? Trying to eat Ann. See a pattern? I'm with him.

Try to eat my girlfriend and I'll certainly try to kill you. And I'd probably torture you first. Kong's actually a nicer guy than I am in that respect.

Oh yeah, and the guys on the bridge? They were following Kong. Would you put up with a bunch of potential threats to your lady chasing you? After all, they may be too small to prove a serious threat to Kong, but they were at least as big as what he was protecting.

The people in New York? He thought they were attacking Ann. Bad move.

And then he was surrounded by these screaming little creatures, and he couldn't find Ann. Made him angry. The lady in her bed? He was just trying to find Ann. When he found out he'd been "fooled," he reacted according to his building rage and frustration.

Now, Toho Kong- why did he fight Goji? Oh, I dunno, maybe because Goji was the only possible threat to him? (This, by the way, is why I regard Kong as being, in his own odd fashion, smarter than Irys)

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 04:50 PM

The Great MM

April 16th, 2005, 04:53 PM

Well now that you mention it I do.

Kay, next time I find some roaches I'll send em to you.

But still, There is a difference between a forest that can never be cleansed of all small animals and a human house where most small animals are killed if they enter.

So...your saying this because the creatures (humans) were following him...and who eventually shot, and were the size of Ann, and were new to the forests were killed... yes...well buddy...that forest was KONG'S and the animals who lived in it, humans entered and paid the price, welcome to nature.

Well Im pretty sure there are several versions of why kong fights reptiles. Thats one variation.

Actually, that was in the book.

And its stupid to hate an entire class of animals because a couple from that class killed his parents.

Let me find some komod dragons, have em kill your friends and family, then we will see how you like reptiles also...

1. they attack him

And didn't they do the same to him and Ann...bit hypocritical there then also huh Mr. Bio.

2. They stand between him and his goal

Isn't that EXACTLY what the dinosaurs, natives, and sailers were doing?

And new york wasnt kong's territory. True, he was being held captive but he went after people who had nothing to do with his capture, and werent even acknowledging his existance until he went after them.

See Cole's response...

Advice, give up now, your emmbarsing yourself with these half wit responses.

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 04:59 PM

Actually, that was in the book.

I think They both were.
That was what the fight between the guy in the T-rex mask and the guy in the
kong mask represented I believe.
Let me find some komod dragons, have em kill your friends and family, then we will see how you like reptiles also...

Id probably hold a disdain towards those particular lizards but I'd still not turn against all reptiles.

And didn't they do the same to him and Ann...bit hypocritical there then also huh Mr. Bio.

As stated, I understand why he attacked those in the movie but I cant help but hold a distaste for a creature that hates all reptillian creatures.

See Cole's response...

I already did and I see his point. He was right.

Advice, give up now, your emmbarsing yourself with these half wit responses.April 16th, 2005 16:50
Meh...Iv said pretty much everything I wanted too.

The Great MM

April 16th, 2005, 05:02 PM

Id probably hold a disdain towards those particular lizards but I'd still not turn against all reptiles.

Your not an animal are you?

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 05:07 PM

Your not an animal are you?
That is a question that for me to answer would more than likely start an entirely new debate which would spawn a new, or possibly several more topics which would spread throughout the section like locusts, devouring all else in its path.

We dont want a repeat of the chimera thread now do we?

Seriously though, an animal is an animal, they dont know who kongs parents were, They were trying to get a meal. It was essential too their survival. Although I can understand how he would hol a distaste for tyrannosaurs I cant see any animal, even a mentally advanced one, hating all animals of a certain class.
To be honest, I cant see an ape even being able to tell reptiles from other animals.

Saruman

April 16th, 2005, 05:14 PM

Hey you guys. I would like everyone to know that I am still hate kong.

Exactly why are you announcing this? It's not like it's some great revelation going on here.

But not cuz he's a gorilla.

Well it's good to know that you have a better reason than that.

It's because he picks on my favorite stuff.

Really, now how does a movie monster decide to pick on Pauls favorite stuff exactly?:confused:

Godzilla, dinosaurs, and also kills inisant people very voilentley (that's why I hated the movie because it was so voilent). If Kong didn't pick on dinos and godzilla, I'd like him.

1. He isn't picking on anything, he is an animal protecting himself.
2. People are not innocent, THEY attacked Kong and ripped him from HIS HOME. How would you like to be ripped from your home and caged? I'm sure you would love it.:sarcasm:

And yes, I'm still gonna write storys of kong getting beat up and everything. But it's my own opinion. Anyway, have a great day, you guys. And reply soon.

Paul, having an opinion is fine, but your "opinion" here, has turned into a really unhealthy obsession on your part. You don't like it when people complain about you not liking Kong, but yet you continually turn around and make topics to discuss him, WHY? The only thing you are accomplishing by doing this is making more problems for yourself because you know how people will react to it. You REALLY have to get over this unhealthy obsession with Kong because it doesn't do anything good for you or anyone else.

Cookson

April 16th, 2005, 05:19 PM

pauzilla :nonono2: paulzilla :nonono2:

You got alot of growing up to do. You hate Kong just because YOU think he picks on dinosaurs and Godzilla?????? He is only protecting himself.

Saruman

April 16th, 2005, 05:43 PM

Well Its not that odd. I dislike kong for the same reasons.

Reasons that make absolutely no sense because they all pertain to Godzilla and Dinos as well.

Most monsters kill either by accident or out of hunger.

How about protecting themselves or their MATE? Gee go figure Kong killed humans that were after him and trying to steal back his "mate," Ann.

kong shows no real reason for half the people he kills.

Funny, seems like he has plenty of reasons, especially once he gets to New York. Caged, chained, put on display in a totally foreign setting with lots of lights flashing and people pushing and shoving Ann around right in front of him.

He walks right up and drops everyone off the log in the original

Again, people that were after him trying to take back what was given to him, his "mate."

He snatches people out of their beds and drop them from immense heights

Why did he do that? Because he though he was picking up his "MATE," when he saw it wasn't her, he dropped her because he only wanted Ann.

he picks up random people, puts them in his mouth, and stomps them.

And Godzilla doesn't do any of this ever?:sarcasm:

He has no good reason. He's the closest thing to a jerk in the kaiju world.

Kong HAS more reasons for what he does than Godzilla could ever claim.

He also is known for a downright HATRED of ALL things reptillian.
If thats not a reason for a reptile supporter to hate him I dunno what is.

The sad part is Kong has more valid reasons for what he does in the films than you do for your opinion, go figure.

Saruman

April 16th, 2005, 06:00 PM

Now here are some questions for Paul and Bio, lets put your "opinions" to the test.

Why do you not hate the Brontosaurus in "King Kong '33"? It killed humans for absolutely NO reasons, they had not even attacked it, they were only on a raft.

It was the T-Rex in Kong '33 that attacked Ann & Kong, so do you hate the T-Rex?

Also, the T-Rex went after a human(Ann) who was doing nothing to it, so do you hate the T-Rex because of that?

GMK Godzilla killed plenty of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike him? He nuked a whole parking lot of people for no reason other than killing them. Oh and before either of you says he was killing people of Japan because they didn't respect the WWII dead. How do you know everyone that was killed did not respect them?

Jurassic Park, T-Rex killed plenty of people for no reason, do you dislike him?

Jurassic Park, Raptors killed alot of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike them?

Do you dislike Jurassic Park 1, 2 or 3 more than any King Kong movies? All of the JP movies were and are ALOT more violent than all of the Kong films put together.

Godzilla '62 killed humans for no reason before Kong even showed up, do you hate him?

It should be interesting to hear your answers, especially after your comments above.

Cookson

April 16th, 2005, 06:10 PM

Why do you not hate the Brontosaurus in "King Kong '33"? It killed humans for absolutely NO reasons, they had not even attacked it, they were only on a raft.

The Brontosaurus is freaking awesome

It was the T-Rex in Kong '33 that attacked Ann & Kong, so do you hate the T-Rex?

The T-Rex was awesome to

Also, the T-Rex went after a human(Ann) who was doing nothing to it, so do you hate the T-Rex because of that?

That was hilarious

GMK Godzilla killed plenty of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike him? He nuked a whole parking lot of people for no reason other than killing them. Oh and before either of you says he was killing people of Japan because they didn't respect the WWII dead. How do you know everyone that was killed did not respect them?

GMK Godzilla was the shiznit!!!

Jurassic Park, T-Rex killed plenty of people for no reason, do you dislike him?

Stupid humans shouldnt have been there in the first place LOL

Jurassic Park, Raptors killed alot of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike them?

I do not dislike Raptors. They are freakin killer

Do you dislike Jurassic Park 1, 2 or 3 more than any King Kong movies? All of the JP movies were and are ALOT more violent than all of the Kong films put together.

NAH.....I loved them all!!

Godzilla '62 killed humans for no reason before Kong even showed up, do you hate him?

Nope dont hate him either

WELL I guess that means I like Kong!!!!

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 06:20 PM

Well, At the risk of the dreaded Bio vs Saru debate which has plagued the non-kaiju section for a time.....

Why do you not hate the Brontosaurus in "King Kong '33"? It killed humans for absolutely NO reasons, they had not even attacked it, they were only on a raft.

I tend to assume the creators though brontosaurus was a carnivore.

It was the T-Rex in Kong '33 that attacked Ann & Kong, so do you hate the T-Rex?

Also, the T-Rex went after a human(Ann) who was doing nothing to it, so do you hate the T-Rex because of that?

the T-rex had a reason to eat Ann, It was hungry.
I have been over this, I dont hate kong for killing the dinosaurs that threatened Ann, I hate him for his overall anti-reptile symbolism.

GMK Godzilla killed plenty of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike him? He nuked a whole parking lot of people for no reason other than killing them. Oh and before either of you says he was killing people of Japan because they didn't respect the WWII dead. How do you know everyone that was killed did not respect them?

Maybe goji somehow knew that they didnt respect those who died.
Or more realisticly, he was wrecking everything and had the impulse to nuke them. I get similar impulses. (No, not to blow up people for no reason)

Jurassic Park, T-Rex killed plenty of people for no reason, do you dislike him?

Jurassic Park, Raptors killed alot of people for absolutely no reason, do you dislike them?

See above

Do you dislike Jurassic Park 1, 2 or 3 more than any King Kong movies? All of the JP movies were and are ALOT more violent than all of the Kong films put together.

I'll assume this ones for PZ since Imho violent movies are the best kind.

Godzilla '62 killed humans for no reason before Kong even showed up, do you hate him?

He symbolized something that made sense.

GMK Godzilla was the shiznit!!!

Ok, ever since that B-movie test I have wondered, what is the shiznit?

Saruman

April 16th, 2005, 06:36 PM

I tend to assume the creators though brontosaurus was a carnivore.

Mistake or no, you didn't answer the question. It's still a dino/reptile that is killing people for absolutely NO REASON.

the T-rex had a reason to eat Ann, It was hungry.

Oh, so the T-Rex has a reason to attack the "humans" that you said were of no importance to Kong. Interesting since the T-Rex was bigger than Kong, shouldn't he take even less notice of them, not to mention that Ann was actually given to Kong by humans so he actually has a reason to take notice of them. Pretty much a completely hypocritical answer.

I have been over this, I dont hate kong for killing the dinosaurs that threatened Ann, I hate him for his overall anti-reptile symbolism.

So then don't you hate Godzilla for his ANTI-mammal symbolism?

Maybe goji somehow knew that they didnt respect those who died.

All of them, I would find that very hard to believe.

Or more realisticly, he was wrecking everything and had the impulse to nuke them. I get similar impulses. (No, not to blow up people for no reason)

So again it's ok for a reptile/dino to do this and not Kong, a mammal?

See above

Avoided the question and it's a completely different situation, so your previous answer isn't appropiate.

I'll assume this ones for PZ since Imho violent movies are the best kind.

You like Dino/Godzilla movies, all of which are violent, Dino movies especially, so you can answer it.

He symbolized something that made sense.

Nice no answer there, please actually explain it.

Ok, ever since that B-movie test I have wondered, what is the shiznit?

:nonono2:

biochemitra

April 16th, 2005, 06:54 PM

Mistake or no, you didn't answer the question. It's still a dino/reptile that is killing people for absolutely NO REASON.
It was hungry, that is the reason.

Oh, so the T-Rex has a reason to attack the "humans" that you said were of no importance to Kong. Interesting since the T-Rex was bigger than Kong, shouldn't he take even less notice of them, not to mention that Ann was actually given to Kong by humans so he actually has a reason to take notice of them. Pretty much a completely hypocritical answer.

Kong is probably a herbivore, He had no real reason to see any importance in the humans other than that they were following him.
Ann is a completely different story than the sailors.

So then don't you hate Godzilla for his ANTI-mammal symbolism?

He has no such symbolism.
He symbolizes the disasters of nuclear war, that is all.
(well maybe the later versions had a bit more symbolism but none of it was anti-mammal)

All of them, I would find that very hard to believe.

I find it rather easy to believe that all of them would rather forget the war.

So again it's ok for a reptile/dino to do this and not Kong, a mammal?

Its hard to compete with impulse when you have the intelligence of maybe a dog or squirrel.

Avoided the question and it's a completely different situation, so your previous answer isn't appropiate.

Why dinos attack humans and why kong does, and why kong does\doesnt have a good reason? Seems like thats what We were discussing earlier.

You like Dino/Godzilla movies, all of which are violent, Dino movies especially, so you can answer it.

Well Ok. I like both the kong and JP movies. They are violent but it goes well with the plot. Violence is what makes many movies worth watching.(Those that have a poor plot and simply to illustrate what happens and why.)

Nice no answer there, please actually explain it.

Well Showing godzilla causing inmmense mayhem and destruction was essential to the metaphorical essance of the movie.

:nonono2:
Whos avoiding questions now?

Ok, If you want what I believe is the REAL reason I dislike kong, ignoring the explainable carnage he caused, and before I found out what kong symbolized, was because kong had to be the most perverted monster I have ever seen.
He goes after a human less than a tenth of his size? Ok so hes the last of his kind, I can understand that but Ann clearly wanted nothing to do with him.
Also, if kong is given a sacrifce evry so often, makes you wonder what happened to the other brides...

Raptor

April 16th, 2005, 07:38 PM

I would like everyone to know that I am still hate kong. And THAT is sure to start ay least a two page topic, no doubt resulting in responses you're also not going to like.
It's because he picks on my favorite stuff.We're talking about a MONSTER here, not school yard antics, speaking of which, shouldn't this have been put in the appropriate kaiju forum? Godzilla, dinosaurs, and also kills inisant people very voilentley (that's why I hated the movie because it was so voilent). The violence issue has been touched on in other posts. If Kong didn't pick on dinos and godzilla, I'd like him. One has to have INTENT to "pick on" something. Again, we're dealing with ANIMALS, as well as MOVIES. Plus, I saw what happened in the suggestions section in the the thread "most memorable moments" where superXash was saying that he really didn't like me much and that I said was stupid.

It REALLY ticked me off. And I'm sry about that. It's just that, I really wouldn't like anybody talking about what happened about back then. Cuz that really made a big dent in my life and I don't want it to happen again. That was posted A YEAR AGO and what Ash says still stands. I also noted that in THAT topic, you posted: For your informatin I've changed since then. I am 11 years old now AND I HAVE CHANGED. Now I know that most of everyone on this forum still hates me about what happened and I hated it back then too! But now I promised to be a more mature member now. I already said I was sorry to everybody you have no right to bring it up again. And you know why I hated the king kong movie? No, not just kong, but because it FREAKED ME OUT because of it's voilence! I was young back then and now I've changed. If you want a brat, look at this guy I found on a different forum. He was twice as braty as me! Now I would really like everyone to shut up about what happened back then! I've changed and I don't want what happened years ago to happen again! That was YESTERDAY and not you start THIS TOPIC? :dontgetit I see no "change" here myself. And what is with the mention of some guy on ANOTHER forum? And you want everyone here to not notice you don't like Kong when you keep posting about not liking him? After what went on last year, I've a good mind to just go and delete this topic as SPAM. Does your dislike of Kong really add anything to our discussions of the creature itself? No, it doesn't. Instead, it is constantly causing dissention for you so why continue to bring it up?
I thought "maturing" was a learning process myself.
Sry, I exploded a little. But heck that really hurt my fellings! And yes, I'm still gonna write storys of kong getting beat up and everything. Apparently, you are still put out about King Kong. All I can say is: DON'T WATCH HIS MOVIES. As well, there is not a blooming thing you can do about what was portrayed well before you were even born. NO ONE can change history. Speaking of which, with your two posts (here AND the Q&A/Suggestions forum), it appears we're right back to square one: But it's my own opinion. Anyway, have a great day, you guys. And reply soon. Yes, it is your opinion but you don't REALLY want to hear others' on the situation. That isn't how the world works, especially on a DISCUSSION forum.
All that said, I would suggest you DO NOT mention your dislike for Kong in film or monster venues. What do your folks think of this situation? I believe it's well past time someone other than a bunch of kaiju fans addressed the REAL issue here and it's NOT King Kong...

Solar_Behemoth

April 16th, 2005, 07:48 PM

You don't have to hate Kong just because he pwned Godzilla and some dinosaurs.

Raptor

April 16th, 2005, 07:53 PM

............

I don't even let minor immaturity or youthfulness be a reasonable excuse for crap like that...May I ask what you were responding to, either Paul's topic or MM's comments on animal behavior?
If the former, this is a perfect example why I'm seriously thinking of shutting the original topic down and splitting off a discussion of animal behavior. And Paul, it's going to full of violence as no doubt carnivores will be involved. Maybe even Kong will be brought up again. Why? Because he is an ANIMAL. He was also taken to a strange environment (New York City, of all places! :crazy: ) For every action there is a REACTION, be it a post on these boards or just waking up in the morning. That's life.

Raptor

April 16th, 2005, 08:11 PM

I would like everyone to know that I am still hate kong. But not cuz he's a gorilla. It's because he picks on my favorite stuff. Godzilla, dinosaurs, and also kills inisant people very voilentley (that's why I hated the movie because it was so voilent).
Do I see a contradiction here?
Your post: (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137431&postcount=128)
Re: Looking forward to Spider-Man 3 Quote:
Originally Posted by Mothraleo
I honestally don't care how violante it is, as long as its a good film in the end.

Yeah, I guess your right.

Which is it, Kong or "violent" movies that you don't like? Is Spiderman "OK" because he hasn't taken on any dinosaurs or Godzilla and is a "good guy"? What usually works best with something that displeases one is they try to correct the situation, if at all possible). If not, at least a degree of acknowledgment of the fact you cannot change it is necessary to at least be able to cope with it.
I would suggest you line up your priorities and start addressing them. THAT is what "growing up" is really about.

Cookson

April 16th, 2005, 08:37 PM

AHHHH, he's just a dinosaur fan boy. Anything that beats up Godzilla or Dinosaurs he hates.

MirrenDono

April 16th, 2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Raptor
May I ask what you were responding to, either Paul's topic or MM's comments on animal behavior?

Paul's

And paul, also remember a major thing that you really gotta get a grasp on. Kong is an animal. He lives only by feral instinct. He cannot do any wrong because he does not understand right from wrong.

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:20 PM

MirrenDono

April 16th, 2005, 09:22 PM

Do you hate the Gyaos? And Baragon? Hell, do you hate Final Wars Zilla? A T-Rex-ish Monster?

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:30 PM

And THAT is sure to start ay least a two page topic, no doubt resulting in responses you're also not going to like.
We're talking about a MONSTER here, not school yard antics, speaking of which, shouldn't this have been put in the appropriate kaiju forum? The violence issue has been touched on in other posts. One has to have INTENT to "pick on" something. Again, we're dealing with ANIMALS, as well as MOVIES. That was posted A YEAR AGO and what Ash says still stands. I also noted that in THAT topic, you posted: That was YESTERDAY and not you start THIS TOPIC? :dontgetit I see no "change" here myself. And what is with the mention of some guy on ANOTHER forum? And you want everyone here to not notice you don't like Kong when you keep posting about not liking him? After what went on last year, I've a good mind to just go and delete this topic as SPAM. Does your dislike of Kong really add anything to our discussions of the creature itself? No, it doesn't. Instead, it is constantly causing dissention for you so why continue to bring it up?
I thought "maturing" was a learning process myself.
Apparently, you are still put out about King Kong. All I can say is: DON'T WATCH HIS MOVIES. As well, there is not a blooming thing you can do about what was portrayed well before you were even born. NO ONE can change history. Speaking of which, with your two posts (here AND the Q&A/Suggestions forum), it appears we're right back to square one: Yes, it is your opinion but you don't REALLY want to hear others' on the situation. That isn't how the world works, especially on a DISCUSSION forum.
All that said, I would suggest you DO NOT mention your dislike for Kong in film or monster venues. What do your folks think of this situation? I believe it's well past time someone other than a bunch of kaiju fans addressed the REAL issue here and it's NOT King Kong...

1. that was posted a year ago? whoops.

2. I know. I don't whatch his movies.

3. that guy I was talking about was banning other people's sites, and posted he thinks i'm a jerk on two forums.

4. I'm sry I wasted your time. Go ahead and delete this. I don't want to talk about it again. I'm really really really sorry. please, don't be angry, everyone. i was just trying to be nice. I'm really tying to be mature. But I guess everybod here doesn't think i'm mature. I'm really sry. :'( :(

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:32 PM

AHHHH, he's just a dinosaur fan boy. Anything that beats up Godzilla or Dinosaurs he hates. well, I also hate kong cuz he's voilent? Didn't you read the forst post? Just wondering.
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Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:33 PM

Do I see a contradiction here?
Your post: (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137431&postcount=128)
Re: Looking forward to Spider-Man 3 Quote:
Originally Posted by Mothraleo
I honestally don't care how violante it is, as long as its a good film in the end.

Yeah, I guess your right.

Which is it, Kong or "violent" movies that you don't like? Is Spiderman "OK" because he hasn't taken on any dinosaurs or Godzilla and is a "good guy"? What usually works best with something that displeases one is they try to correct the situation, if at all possible). If not, at least a degree of acknowledgment of the fact you cannot change it is necessary to at least be able to cope with it.
I would suggest you line up your priorities and start addressing them. THAT is what "growing up" is really about. I'm sry. Really I am.
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Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:40 PM

pauzilla :nonono2: paulzilla :nonono2:

You got alot of growing up to do. You hate Kong just because YOU think he picks on dinosaurs and Godzilla?????? He is only protecting himself. Yeah, your right.
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Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 09:41 PM

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 10:16 PM

Mothraleo

April 16th, 2005, 10:45 PM

Hey Paul... you realize you just made like 5 posts in a row... :laugh:

MirrenDono

April 16th, 2005, 11:12 PM

Actually I think it's six...

But nevertheless, don't apologize Paul. No, don't ask to be forgiven either.

Stop doing it anymore

That's what you must do

Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 11:17 PM

Hey Paul... you realize you just made like 5 posts in a row... :laugh: yeah, sry about that. lol :D But did you notice my last one?
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Paulzilla

April 16th, 2005, 11:18 PM

Actually I think it's six...

But nevertheless, don't apologize Paul. No, don't ask to be forgiven either.

Stop doing it anymore

That's what you must do Why not ask to be forgiven?

Anyway, yeah, your right. I won't talk about it anymore. And neither will anyone else. ;)
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godofPH

April 16th, 2005, 11:57 PM

Hmm, if I was Kong, I'd beat up the dinos and humans also. Its like bugs and other people trying to disturb me. He had a few good reasons to beat up dinos in the original movie

The Trex fight and the Pteryodactyl Fight: They tried to take Anne away. Imagine it like Kong is a big hairy girl and Anne is his Barbie (what a comparison!)

Killing Humans: its like swatting bugs. Flys annoy me, I kill them. Humans annoy Kong, he kills them.

Fighting Godzilla: Ol' Kong was probably reminded of his earlier dealings with dinos.

Now, for those who say that Kong is an unoriginal idea and he is bland, Kong was inventive and original for the time.

Saruman

April 17th, 2005, 12:43 AM

guys, I'm really thankful to be able to participate in this forum. I'm really sorry my opinion on king kong got out of hand and made an argument. I told my parents about what I've said and they suggested I write about how sorry I am. But most important, I'm thankful to be able to be a part of this forum.

It's no problem Paul, you just need to realise that when you make comments about something like King Kong, that those same comments can almost always be applied to Godzilla or Dinosaurs as well. There really isn't much difference other than one is a mammal and the other is a reptile/dino.

A good example of that is how you said that you didn't like Kong because it was violent. But then you turn around and say the violence in Spider-Man is ok, and we know you love Godzilla and Jurassic Park, both of those are filled with tons of violence. It just doesn't make sense to contridict yourself like that.

What really comes across with your dislike for Kong though, is that you dislike him simply because he beat up a T-Rex and Godzilla, nothing more. If that's why you don't like him, that's fine, I myself think it's a poor reason for disliking Kong or any monster, but if that's it then so be it.

Maybe you should try to sit down and watch King Kong '33 again, but don't just watch what is happening on the screen. Try to understand why Kong is doing the things he does in the movie. There is alot more going on then what you seem to think is happening. Everything Kong does is done for a reason, but since he is an animal you have to figure out what those reasons are, he can't tell you. You may find the movie is better than what you thought and actually end up liking it. It's also something you can do for other movies as well.

Saruman

April 17th, 2005, 01:18 AM

It was hungry, that is the reason.

Oh so we fall back to "it was hungry" when you don't have an answer.

Kong didnt kill everything in his terrytory, and he should have overlooked small, seemingly harmless humans. Did you know apes have been knoen to pick up and pet small animals?

Shouldn't the Bronto have overlooked small meaningless harmless humans?

Kong is probably a herbivore,

You obvisouly know absolutely nothing about apes. They are omnivores, they eat meat and like it very much.

He had no real reason to see any importance in the humans other than that they were following him.

Kong knows what humans are, they offer him brides on a regular basis. If they are chasing him then he is going to notice them and show them who is infact king of the jungle.

Ann is a completely different story than the sailors.

No she isn't as it's because of her that they are there.

He has no such symbolism.

Thats funny, you and Paul are both making that symbolism quite evident.

He symbolizes the disasters of nuclear war, that is all.
(well maybe the later versions had a bit more symbolism but none of it was anti-mammal)

His symbolism changed quite often through the years. But you should really watch KKvG again because you obvisouly missed it and they even tell you it right in the movie itself.

I find it rather easy to believe that all of them would rather forget the war.

It has nothing to do with forgetting the war, it's about disrespecting the dead who fought in it, many of them probably even lost family members in that war. So it is highly unlikely that everyone in that area felt the same about the WWII dead.

Its hard to compete with impulse when you have the intelligence of maybe a dog or squirrel.

Wolves have not problems acting on instince, neither do squirrls. Apes also act on instinct, they are animals it's what they do, no matter how smart they are. Do you flinch when someone tries to hit you? I'm sure you do because it's instinct to do so.

Why dinos attack humans and why kong does, and why kong does\doesnt have a good reason? Seems like thats what We were discussing earlier.

Thats what we were discussing, but your answer didn't actually answer the question, you just said "same as above" which it wasn't.

Well Ok. I like both the kong and JP movies. They are violent but it goes well with the plot. Violence is what makes many movies worth watching.(Those that have a poor plot and simply to illustrate what happens and why.)

Exactly, though violence isn't what makes any movies worth watching, a good story, acting and directing do that.

Well Showing godzilla causing inmmense mayhem and destruction was essential to the metaphorical essance of the movie.

Showing Kong doing what he did in his films was also the essence of the film, there is no difference.

Whos avoiding questions now?

I wasn't actually answering the question so I couldn't be avoiding it. I was simply shaking my head that you had to ask that question in the first place.

Ok, If you want what I believe is the REAL reason I dislike kong, ignoring the explainable carnage he caused, and before I found out what kong symbolized, was because kong had to be the most perverted monster I have ever seen.
He goes after a human less than a tenth of his size? Ok so hes the last of his kind, I can understand that but Ann clearly wanted nothing to do with him.
Also, if kong is given a sacrifce evry so often, makes you wonder what happened to the other brides...

He ate his other brides, that's part of being a sacrifice.

The reason he was attracted to Ann, was because Kong had never seen a woman like her before. The only people he had seen before were dark skinned, black haired south pacific islanders. A white BLOND haired woman is going to be something completely new to him so he was extremely curious about her. Ann also came to like Kong before they even left the island, and by the end of the movie she cared for him.

David C

April 17th, 2005, 01:23 PM

I really do like King Kong. When I was little I used to like him more than Godzilla! When I saw the 1933 King Kong, and the remake I really enjoyed King Kong. It was King Kong who brought me into the Godzilla/Kaiju world. When I was little I always wondered who would win if King Kong and Godzilla fought, and of course I didnt know Godzilla vs King Kong the movie existed, but when I did I was eager to see who won.

This was many years ago and now I like Godzilla a lot more than King Kong. I really like how King Kong looks in the American Kaiju comic "Godzilla vs King Kong". If a movie was based off that comic it would be a massive hit! Anyway, even though I like the Japanese monster movies much more, I will always remember and like the giant ape.

Paulzilla

April 17th, 2005, 02:42 PM

It's no problem Paul, you just need to realise that when you make comments about something like King Kong, that those same comments can almost always be applied to Godzilla or Dinosaurs as well. There really isn't much difference other than one is a mammal and the other is a reptile/dino.

A good example of that is how you said that you didn't like Kong because it was violent. But then you turn around and say the violence in Spider-Man is ok, and we know you love Godzilla and Jurassic Park, both of those are filled with tons of violence. It just doesn't make sense to contridict yourself like that.

What really comes across with your dislike for Kong though, is that you dislike him simply because he beat up a T-Rex and Godzilla, nothing more. If that's why you don't like him, that's fine, I myself think it's a poor reason for disliking Kong or any monster, but if that's it then so be it.

Maybe you should try to sit down and watch King Kong '33 again, but don't just watch what is happening on the screen. Try to understand why Kong is doing the things he does in the movie. There is alot more going on then what you seem to think is happening. Everything Kong does is done for a reason, but since he is an animal you have to figure out what those reasons are, he can't tell you. You may find the movie is better than what you thought and actually end up liking it. It's also something you can do for other movies as well. Thanks, man. But I don't know about whatching kong 33 again. The last time I saw it it made me cry. Maybe the reason why I dislike the voilence in king kong but whatch godzilla is because that most of the voilence that godzilla did was off screen. But with kong it showed him picking up people and eating them! And maybe the reason why I whatch Jurassic Park is because...well....I like dinosaurs. So it's more easy to enjoy it. But with kong, I don't really don't care much about gorillas (not that I don't like them). But a gorilla eating someone, is kinda freaky to me. Because gorillas don't normally do that.

I know it sounds weird, but that's the kind of 11 year old I am. And what I meant by still making stories of kong being beat up was that I wouldn't show them here (I should've wrote that. :D ), so I wouldn't insult anybody. And yes, you're right. Now that you've explained it, I do like kong more now. And besides, he's just an ape! I can just ignore him (although, that would be a little hard to do)! And yes, KK was attacking people cuz they took him away from his home, and the dinos were doing the same thing! I really should've thought of that before. I guess now I'll be way more mature now that I understand. Thanks, man.
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biochemitra

April 17th, 2005, 02:49 PM

Oh so we fall back to "it was hungry" when you don't have an answer.
............

Shouldn't the Bronto have overlooked small meaningless harmless humans?

No because brontos in KK are carnivores, or at least omivores therefore it had a reason to go after them.

You obvisouly know absolutely nothing about apes. They are omnivores, they eat meat and like it very much.

I dont know alot about apes, that is an undisputed fact, but I do know that
1. most gorillas are herbivores
2.apes overlook or even "pet" small animals
3. apes are similar to humans and some probably are strict herbivores while some do eat some amounts of meat. I guess kong was an example of the latter.

Kong knows what humans are, they offer him brides on a regular basis. If they are chasing him then he is going to notice them and show them who is infact king of the jungle.

Ok, I guess your right there. I guess he's just more aggressive than most goriilas.

It has nothing to do with forgetting the war, it's about disrespecting the dead who fought in it, many of them probably even lost family members in that war. So it is highly unlikely that everyone in that area felt the same about the WWII dead.

It has everything to do with forgetting the war. The wanted to forget the war and thusly forget thoe who died more or less.
Godzilla in GMK was similar to bender, he, along with the souls who were lost, wanted those who died to be remembered.

Wolves have not problems acting on instince, neither do squirrls. Apes also act on instinct, they are animals it's what they do, no matter how smart they are. Do you flinch when someone tries to hit you? I'm sure you do because it's instinct to do so.

My point exactly.

I wasn't actually answering the question so I couldn't be avoiding it. I was simply shaking my head that you had to ask that question in the first place.

Will you please just tell me what the shiznit is?

Thats what we were discussing, but your answer didn't actually answer the question, you just said "same as above" which it wasn't.

Point taken, I simply meant that that was discussed somewhere above.

Exactly, though violence isn't what makes any movies worth watching, a good story, acting and directing do that.

Well story and directing anyway. For me at least,(so long as the actors arent as bad as what is portrayed on cartoons...) But I doubt anyone can deny that a reasonable amount of violence is a good thing to add to these kind of movies, provided it is done and placed right.

Showing Kong doing what he did in his films was also the essence of the film, there is no difference.

Well kong didnt have such an important symbolism and..........Im getting confused......well......kong's anti reptile symbolism had nothing constructive to it, representing the dangers of nuclear war which was important.

The reason he was attracted to Ann, was because Kong had never seen a woman like her before. The only people he had seen before were dark skinned, black haired south pacific islanders. A white BLOND haired woman is going to be something completely new to him so he was extremely curious about her. Ann also came to like Kong before they even left the island, and by the end of the movie she cared for him.

Kong's predjudice? Thats a whole new reason to hate him!!

Seriously though,.....I cant think of a good counter to that, you must be right about that.

And for the record since everyone seems to think otherwise, godzilla was the victor in KK vs G. We have a startling amount of evidence for this, but that is an entirely different discussion.

Saruman

April 17th, 2005, 06:14 PM

No because brontos in KK are carnivores, or at least omivores therefore it had a reason to go after them.

Your answer is still hypocritical, we already know Kong in fact does eat humans, so he has more reason for doing so then a reptile that really shouldn't have even been after them.

I dont know alot about apes, that is an undisputed fact, but I do know that
1. most gorillas are herbivores
2.apes overlook or even "pet" small animals
3. apes are similar to humans and some probably are strict herbivores while some do eat some amounts of meat. I guess kong was an example of the latter.

You know less about apes than I thought after seeing those comments. All apes are OMNIVORES, chimps and baboons are especially notorious for eating other smaller monkeys and do hunt them regularly. Gorillas will eat meat when they can and prefer it, though most animals know better than to get close to a male gorilla because it will rip most animals apart.

Ok, I guess your right there. I guess he's just more aggressive than most goriilas.

He isn't more agressive than other gorillas. Apes especially the large ones are very agressive. Why do you think nothing but humans hunts Gorillas? Because other animals know to stay away because 9.9 out of 10 times, the Gorilla is going to win.

It has everything to do with forgetting the war. The wanted to forget the war and thusly forget thoe who died more or less.
Godzilla in GMK was similar to bender, he, along with the souls who were lost, wanted those who died to be remembered.

It has nothing to do with forgetting the war, it's about forgetting the dead, the two things are not mutually the same, they ARE different. My father fought in WWII, after he died last year I had all his medals and badges along with a picture of him done up in a nice display for my mom, that's remembering my dad and what he did in WWII. I could turn around and study WWII and not even consider the people that fought in the war. That's forgetting the people that died in the war but not the war itself. Big difference in the two.

My point exactly.

Funny that my comments have suddenly become YOUR point when it wasn't that way before.:confused:

Point taken, I simply meant that that was discussed somewhere above.

Okay.

Well kong didnt have such an important symbolism and..........Im getting confused......well......kong's anti reptile symbolism had nothing constructive to it, representing the dangers of nuclear war which was important.

Wow, if you don't know the symbolisms of Kong then you are seriously handicapped in a discussion about him. And I am sure that M. Cooper was really focusing on "anti-reptile" symbolism when Kong was thought up. Guess that's why in "Son of Kong" there was anti-mammal symbolism since Kongs son fought the bear.:sarcasm:

Kong's predjudice? Thats a whole new reason to hate him!!

Seriously though,.....I cant think of a good counter to that, you must be right about that.

Prejudice, ummm no. But if you were the first guy to go to an all female school, don't you think you would stand out like a sore thumb? It's the same thing here, Kong was extremely curious about Ann.

And for the record since everyone seems to think otherwise, godzilla was the victor in KK vs G. We have a startling amount of evidence for this, but that is an entirely different discussion.

WAY WRONG. Kong won that fight, Toho, the people that made the film have stated it and it was even in the press release material for the film. You might want to actually do some research before you claim something that has already been proven so many times over it isn't even funny. Your just going to end up making yourself look foolish.

Here's a little info for you on KKvG.

Toho used to publish an English language book every year that covered all the movies they'd made over the previous twelve months. These were done to help sell their films around the world. Each film has photos, a basic cast/crew list, and a summary of the plot.

I have a copy of TOHO FILMS VOL 8, which covers all the movies from 1962. Here's the description from the plot description for KING KONG VS GODZILLA:

A spectacular duel is arranged on the summit of Mt Fuji, and King Kong is victorious.

That's what Toho had to say on the subject at the time the movie was made. The US rights were held by John Beck before the movie was released so this was not Toho saying Kong won just to try and sell it in America; they had no part and saw no profit from US sales of the movie.

I've seen so many explanations by fans trying to say Kong lost, the latest being Kong starts swimming away after
hearing Godzilla's roar (which is not true) but Toho said what happened more than 40 years ago. I'll take their word for it since they made the movie.

That's where fans go wrong-- it should be looked at as what did the filmmakers intend?notin retrospect what should have happened?. When KKvsG was made Kong had been an international legend for 30 years and Godzilla was the 7 year-old newbie. His later battles with King Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, Destoroyah, etc had no part in the outcome of KKvsG because they hadn't happened yet and were not in the filmmakers' thoughts.

Kong won the final battle and it was not some arbitrary decision. Godzilla fans should understand that:

1. At that time Kong was the more famous and popular of the two monsters.
2. KING KONG was one of the major inspirations behind GODZILLA. When Tomoyuki Tanaka (the man who created Godzilla) pitched the first movie to Toho he said he wanted to make a movie about “A monster that invades Tokyo the way King Kong attacked New York”. Where do you guys think the 'gorilla' half of the name Gojira comes from?

FX director Eiji Tsuburaya LOVED King Kong-- it was one of the things that inspired him to become a filmmaker. He always dreamed of working with the character and creating his own monster that would be just as popular. He suceeded on both counts.
3. KKvsG did not start at Toho; it was originally planned in America as KING KONG vs FRANKENSTEIN in 1960. Two years later Godzilla was a late substitute as an opponent for Kong.
4. Toho was not working alone here;American producer John Beck brought the concept to Toho and had a stake in the movie. Toho went in knowing this was a Kong picture.
5. Toho had to get permission from, and pay a lot of money to, RKO Pictures for the rights to use Kong.
6. At that time, Toho had no plans to bring back Godzilla-- they were just going to keep making new monster movies like RODAN, VARAN, and MOTHRA. When Kong was offered to them they saw this as the perfect opportunity to bring back their first monster and make him an international superstar. It worked.
7. As I said before Kong was a legend for 30 years and Toho was THRILLED to have their own monster share the screen with him.
8. Kong is the hero, Godzilla is the villain. Both monsters cause death and destruction but Godzilla goes to Japan of his own choice while Kong is kidnapped. As soon as Godzilla is defeated Kong swims back to his island home.

So what did Toho intend in 1962? An American producer gave them the chance to work with the legendary character who inspired their own profitable monster movies, and they were so excited that they paid a huge sum of money to use him and gave away most foreign rights to the film (more or less) forever. After all that would they have him lose in the end?

In late 1962 or early 1963 Toho published the following answer to that question:

http://monsters4u.com/kedzuel/TohoFilms1963-06KingKongVSGodzilla.jpg

Fans can debate this 'til they're blue in the face, but Toho said Kong won 40 years ago. It's a done deal and has been for decades. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

biochemitra

April 17th, 2005, 07:55 PM

Your answer is still hypocritical, we already know Kong in fact does eat humans, so he has more reason for doing so then a reptile that really shouldn't have even been after them.

But kong DIDNT eat humans, he put them in his mouth then threw them on the ground and stomped on them.

You know less about apes than I thought after seeing those comments. All apes are OMNIVORES, chimps and baboons are especially notorious for eating other smaller monkeys and do hunt them regularly. Gorillas will eat meat when they can and prefer it, though most animals know better than to get close to a male gorilla because it will rip most animals apart.

Know less than nothing?
And I know apes can be aggressive but everything I ever read said that gorrilas are gentle, docile creatures.
And gorrilas do lean strongly towards herbivores.

He isn't more agressive than other gorillas. Apes especially the large ones are very agressive. Why do you think nothing but humans hunts Gorillas? Because other animals know to stay away because 9.9 out of 10 times, the Gorilla is going to win.

I said aggressive, not physically powerful.

Funny that my comments have suddenly become YOUR point when it wasn't that way before.:confused:

I think you misread my post.

Wow, if you don't know the symbolisms of Kong then you are seriously handicapped in a discussion about him. And I am sure that M. Cooper was really focusing on "anti-reptile" symbolism when Kong was thought up. Guess that's why in "Son of Kong" there was anti-mammal symbolism since Kongs son fought the bear.:sarcasm:

By his symbolism I was in fact reffering to the original book.
Prejudice, ummm no. But if you were the first guy to go to an all female school, don't you think you would stand out like a sore thumb? It's the same thing here, Kong was extremely curious about Ann.

That was a joke and you know it.

WAY WRONG. Kong won that fight, Toho, the people that made the film have stated it and it was even in the press release material for the film. You might want to actually do some research before you claim something that has already been proven so many times over it isn't even funny. Your just going to end up making yourself look foolish.

Here's a little info for you on KKvG.

Ok I guess your right there. It violates all of toho's known godzilla logic but I guess your right.

You might want to actually do some research before you claim something that has already been proven so many times over it isn't even funny. Your just going to end up making yourself look foolish.

Im not doing anything your not doing too.

Saruman

April 18th, 2005, 01:13 AM

But kong DIDNT eat humans, he put them in his mouth then threw them on the ground and stomped on them.

Other animals don't do this? Have you ever seen a snake kill something and not eat it? How about a cat? I have, animals don't always kill for food. They do kill to keep their skills and instincts sharp. Cat's are especially notorious for doing this, they will kill/play with something for a long time and then just leave it.

Know less than nothing?
And I know apes can be aggressive but everything I ever read said that gorrilas are gentle, docile creatures.

Then you better get some better reding material, because a fully grown male gorilla is very agressive.

And gorrilas do lean strongly towards herbivores.

Typically yes, but when meat is available, they prefer it over plants.

I said aggressive, not physically powerful.

Which is what I said. Gorillas are not just physically strong, they are very aggressive, which is what makes them so dangerous.

I think you misread my post.

Nope, it was very esy to read.

By his symbolism I was in fact reffering to the original book.

The symbolism in the book is very much the same as it is in the film, and yes I do have the book.

That was a joke and you know it.

Part of it was, but not all of it, which is why you said "Seriously."

Ok I guess your right there. It violates all of toho's known godzilla logic but I guess your right.

It doesn't violate any "Godzilla Logic." It's actually more logical than most Godzilla movies because they did exactly what they wnted to do and got everything across like they wanted.

Im not doing anything your not doing too.

You keep thinking that, it makes it much easier.

biochemitra

April 18th, 2005, 03:37 PM

Other animals don't do this? Have you ever seen a snake kill something and not eat it? How about a cat? I have, animals don't always kill for food. They do kill to keep their skills and instincts sharp. Cat's are especially notorious for doing this, they will kill/play with something for a long time and then just leave it.
Well then that gives him a predatory cruelty that many other monsters dont have, and theres a reason not to like him.

Typically yes, but when meat is available, they prefer it over plants.

Well that sorta depends on te meat available, and the plants available.

Nope, it was very easy to read.

Well it involved instincts and impulses, and the flinching bit seems to work for my side. When you have the instinct or impulse to smash or blow something up you tend to do it without much thought.

The symbolism in the book is very much the same as it is in the film, and yes I do have the book.

To put it bluntly, I was reffering to the anti-reptile symbolism which was present in the book. I dont know about the others.

And concerning this, If godzilla had an anti-mammal symbolism in KKvG then I still like him. In that oarticular case, it all comes down to whether you prefer reptiles or mammals and if you prefer reptiles, thats a dern good reason to have some aggression towards kong.

And the GMK issue, As far as I can tell you, godzilla's purpose was to remind people of those who fought, and if dieing didnt let them remember, than maybe comming back as a 50 meter dinosaur and killing everyone in sight would.

It doesn't violate any "Godzilla Logic." It's actually more logical than most Godzilla movies because they did exactly what they wanted to do and got everything across like they wanted.

Not really. There are so many reasons godzilla should have won that fight That seeing the end result yet even toho declared kong the victor It does violate some logic.

Orga777

April 18th, 2005, 03:44 PM

biochemitra

April 18th, 2005, 03:54 PM

Get over it. So Kong beat Godzilla who cares. I didn't like that either, but I don't go around whining about it all the time. Are you also upset that Mothra beats Godzilla in Godzilla vs. Mothra, or Godzilla and Mothra: Battle for Earth?
No one's whining. Not here anyway.
I'm simply pointing out that it seems kind of odd since logic would indicate something other than what has happened.

Orga777

April 18th, 2005, 04:25 PM

There is no logic in a kaiju movie.:laugh: If you think King Kong beating Godzilla is weird, what about Mothra larva's beating Godzilla. I find that weirder than Kong beating Godzilla.:laugh:

Pug Puppy

April 18th, 2005, 04:34 PM

While Kong is okay, Godzilla is better

I'd probaby shoot at KK, but would be friends with Godzilla(exceot the wussy Spirit Godzilla in GMK-I'd sic John Kerry on him).

biochemitra

April 18th, 2005, 04:58 PM

There is no logic in a kaiju movie.:laugh: If you think King Kong beating Godzilla is weird, what about Mothra larva's beating Godzilla. I find that weirder than Kong beating Godzilla.:laugh: We are given a method for the othrae to beat godzilla. He was trapped in uber strong webbing.

But in KKVG, the 2 were tied, maybe even goji winning, but when the flood occured kong was reported to win. Now goji is stronger underwater yet kong suddenly beat him at goji's home field advantage.

Orga777

April 18th, 2005, 05:10 PM

Well how did Goji loose against Mothra though? The webbing was sprayed on him later.:laugh: As for your Kong statement, Kong got super charged by the lightning and once that happened he started giving Godzilla a beat down.:laugh:

Tokyo VigilanteX

April 18th, 2005, 06:34 PM

But in KKVG, the 2 were tied, maybe even goji winning, but when the flood occured kong was reported to win. Now goji is stronger underwater yet kong suddenly beat him at goji's home field advantage.
Lets see how well you fight when you have a seriously pissed off, several thousand ton electrical gorilla with his hands around your throat.

MirrenDono

April 18th, 2005, 07:35 PM

^ That, and King Goji was weak against electricity, and you all know what happens with electricity and water....

Saruman

April 18th, 2005, 11:19 PM

^ That, and King Goji was weak against electricity, and you all know what happens with electricity and water....

Most people seem to overlook this fact when talking about this movie, go figure.:confused:

Cookson

April 18th, 2005, 11:37 PM

It's kinda funny......Godzilla can walk through electrical wires and not feel a thing but cant handle King Kong's electrical power...

Saruman

April 18th, 2005, 11:46 PM

Well then that gives him a predatory cruelty that many other monsters dont have, and theres a reason not to like him.

Godzilla has displayed those same tendencies, so does that mean you don't like him anymore now?

Well that sorta depends on te meat available, and the plants available.

No it doesn't. If meat is available, they WILL eat it before anything else.

Well it involved instincts and impulses, and the flinching bit seems to work for my side. When you have the instinct or impulse to smash or blow something up you tend to do it without much thought.

You still don't get it. Just because Kong has a larger brain than Godzilla, does not mean that he doesn't act on instinct, he's an animal, thats what he does. You said it was ok for Godzilla because he acted on instinct, but Kong is also acting on instinct, it's the same thing so no it doesn't help your argument.

To put it bluntly, I was reffering to the anti-reptile symbolism which was present in the book. I dont know about the others.

So your saying that the only symbolism you got out of the book was this "anti-reptile" symbolism?

And concerning this, If godzilla had an anti-mammal symbolism in KKvG then I still like him.

Thank you for proving the point so plainly for me and of course showing your hypocritical stance.

In that oarticular case, it all comes down to whether you prefer reptiles or mammals and if you prefer reptiles, thats a dern good reason to have some aggression towards kong.

Actually it's probably the single most stupid reason you could have come up with.

And the GMK issue, As far as I can tell you, godzilla's purpose was to remind people of those who fought, and if dieing didnt let them remember, than maybe comming back as a 50 meter dinosaur and killing everyone in sight would.

What is the point in wanting them to remember the dead of WWII if he is just going to kill them in the first place? You understand that it means there won't be anyone left to remember them after he is done anyway, so the point is completely worthless.

Not really. There are so many reasons godzilla should have won that fight That seeing the end result yet even toho declared kong the victor It does violate some logic.

Why should Godzilla have won that fight? Your talking about this mysterious "Godzilla logic" but yet this was only Godzilla's THIRD film. Godzilla was not the icon then that he is now, or was later on in the late 60's and 70's. That's what you don't seem to realise, Kong was the star of the movie, Kong was the established character. Why do you think the movie is called King Kong versus Godzilla and not the other way around?

Wonder which film will have grossed more in Japan by the end of it's theatrical run, GFW or Kong '05?

Saruman

April 18th, 2005, 11:50 PM

It's kinda funny......Godzilla can walk through electrical wires and not feel a thing but cant handle King Kong's electrical power...

He didn't like the electrical wires in the movie, that doesn't mean the he won't go through them though. Electrical fences are designed to keep horses and cows in their pastures, but yet they get out quite often by going through the electrical wires. They don't like it, but they do go through them.

Cookson

April 18th, 2005, 11:52 PM

Am guessing that Kong had alot more eletrical power anyway. And the fact that a big ole gorilla running at you wouldn't be fun...

Raptor

April 19th, 2005, 07:46 AM

Am guessing that Kong had alot more eletrical power anyway.That's my guess also.
Voltages of long distance power transmission lines are in the range of 155,000 to 765,000 volts. What we're seeing in G54 appears to be a sub-station, which would have the voltage going out stepped down to maybe less than 10,000 volts. Subway/electrified rail systems use 11,000-13,200 volts (I believe) if anyone is thinking along those lines.
NOTE: These figures are just from a quick search to see what might be going on with the power station. Anyway you look at it, that station wasn't Nuclear One.
As for Kong's voltage, the local physicists can deal with him!
I maintain the fight was a draw (despite what Hu-mans might say). G can swim underwater while Kong had to surface for air. If he didn't, everyone would think he just got killed and Goji won. I don't see how anyone can think Kong killed G when he shows up in another film! :p

Gfantheheroman

April 27th, 2005, 09:24 AM

Ohhhh...? I think they both Rock equally. They did fight you know, but niether died. It was sort of a tie. Me and my dad think so. Kong is a classic, but Godzilla stands up for a little more. Kong was supposed to represent america during the time the film was made. The chains represented the depression. After kong broke free, it was a metaphore. Godzilla stands for all atomic and coldwar themes that really made an impact to all of the world.

(I still think they Rock Equally!)