Mothra

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>We all know Toho has announced that Mothra will be in GFW, but what exactly will her role in the film be?

Will she be an ally of humanity and help fight off all the evil monsters such as Godzilla and King Ghidorah, or will she be a threat to mankind?

Something to think about......

[kaijufan1000]

<font color='#0000FF'>a threat to mankind. these kaiju origins are being redone. what i mean is that these monsters will have mutated right when the story starts[i think anyway] so mothra could be a very small larvae gets hit with radiation gets pi**ed off and attacks the world. that would be a change.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>If Mothra IS an enemy to mankind, I doubt those annoying Twin Fairies will be in it.

[memory creature]

Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ April 05 2004,15:12)]I doubt those annoying Twin Fairies will be in it.
You mean those beautiful Twin Fairies. &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

[Mothraleo]

Quote[/b] (memory creature @ April 05 2004,16:20)]Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ April 05 2004,15:12)]I doubt those annoying Twin Fairies will be in it.
You mean those beautiful Twin Fairies. *http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif
<font color='#0000FF'>Psss, I'de be careful when talking about them... On topic: I want Mothra to be EVIL! A threat, nothing good for the earth &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/darklord.gif

[Solar_Behemoth]

Quote[/b] (Mothraleo @ April 05 2004,15:53)]Psss, I'de be careful when talking about them... On topic: I want Mothra to be EVIL! A threat, nothing good for the earth *http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/darklord.gif
<font color='#FF7F00'>I'd love to have Mothra as an enemy for a change as well.

I'm so tired of a little girl going &quot;Mommy! Look! Mothra is going to save Japan from Godzilla&quot; in every single freakin Godzilla movie with Mothra in it!

Let's see classic Mothra flying across Japan causing hurricane winds causing peices of buildings to go flying around!

[PyrasTerran]

It depends, she could very well still retain her role as a guardian.

She'll be like every other monster.... a enemy

[Angiru-San]

<font color='#FF7F00'>yeah If i got fried...my home burnt...and my family probably killed...then id be one pissed bigass moth!

Lets hear it for a new badass twinless Mothra, toho!

[GBandit]

Every Monster is going to be an enemy to each other, Earth and Godzilla. there will be no good monsters, I dont think at least.
We need a Dark Mothra, not a colorful rainbow fruity one.

[The Great MM]

I think Toho will find away for her to still be a non mutated moth, just like in all films. Face it, Mothra was never ment to be a bad kaiju, in the original Mothra, she didn't even need to attack but those men took the two girls. And they said most kaiju were to be mutations, not all.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>I gotta agree with MM, here. Toho does not seem to have any sense of originality for Mothra. Plus, Toho probably realizes fans would not be happy if Mothra is turned into a bad monster- she is popular as a good monster.

[Angiru-San]

<font color='#FF7F00'>I love mothra and all but, Im ready to see her not nesseccarily evil, but a threat, we'll say. &nbsp;And youre right about the mutation thing but...how are they gonna pull off a giant moth...fi shes NOT a mutation???


I myself think they should have her and Battra as mutations!

[GBandit]

i would be happy
lets pretend she's not a mystical bieng
there monsters,if there was a moth in real life that seen someone getting mugged would it help...no.

they should make her a big angry mindless monster, just like they should with all of them

Quote[/b] (konga1 @ April 05 2004,17:14)]Every Monster is going to be an enemy to each other, Earth and Godzilla. there will be no good monsters, I dont think at least.
We need a Dark Mothra, not a colorful rainbow fruity one.
Your right Mothra is fruity.....and stupid when trying to protect humanity.

[The Great MM]

Yes Konga, but today, a Moth that sized would be crushed by its own weight so don't pull the &quot;realistic&quot; thing up. And I for one, hope Mothra retains her title as a good kaiju. Like I said, its not in her character to be bad, even if this is new.

[PyrasTerran]

Exactly, to make Mothra destructive, they'd have to make her more ominous than beautiful, everything about her shouts good. They'd have to make the head smaller, remove the colors, make her look more like a real moth if they wanted her to be a mindless monster, which simply isn't Mothra anymore, it'd be a MINO.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>If Mothra was a mutation in GFW, that is the most BEAUTIFUL mutation I have ever seen!

I hope she'll just stick to being a mythological creature like in most of the Godzilla films.

[Melkor]

Mothra should be indifferent to humanity just like the 1961 jumbo Mothra was. Basically, she really didn't care how much collateral damage she caused, how much lives she took as long as she had her priestesses back. An 'all-good' Mothra just doesn't appeal to me that much as a semi Majin-like deity wreaking vengeance on the populace.



Peace,



Melkor



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[Tomzilla]

From what I've heard of GFW, the world will be crawling with monsters. Man would indeed wonder in His darkest hours. In times of peril, there usually always is a light of hope.

Could Mothra be that light? Maybe.

I'd prefer it if Mothra started out as a regular giant moth, created by nuclear weapons. But I think it would be interesting if Mothra developed an intelligence and began to &quot;cherish&quot; Mankind--or at least, create an interest towards the tiny mammals... Though she wouldn't care if she just happen swept hundreds of people away whenever she flew by.

I still think all the monsters in the movie will be evil. She wouldnt develope in time to be a savior when the movie is going to be mostly about Godzilla and Monster X.

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>^

Mothra could simply be a heroic and mythological creature like in most of her movies. A great guardian of Japan, like in GMK.

[rodan70]

<font color='#FF00FF'>I can't see Mothra being evil. That's just weird

[Solar_Behemoth]

<font color='#FF7F00'>I've gotta with you.

If you want an evil Mothra, then just stick with Battra.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (henry_venetta @ April 07 2004,15:18)]I've gotta with you.

If you want an evil Mothra, then just stick with Battra.
Technically, Battra wasn't evil, that's just anti-Lovecraftian thinking... http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And as for Mothra, I'd rather she be indifferent to humanity, as it'd make for some originality in her character for once.

Mothra should be evil. I hate when she is a savior

[Archaic_Avenger]

i like good monsters, and i'm hoping for Godzilla to be good, Rodan Anguirus and Baragon (they've got a decent chance of appearing) to be good, and Mothra definately good. &nbsp;it just wouldn't be the sae if Mothra was a bad guy, like making King Ghidorah a good guy: the worst decision ever made by Toho.

Rodan2000

[Grand Godzilla]

I think they should make her just like she was in the original Mothra movie.

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[The Great MM]

I wonder if the Larva Mothra will die. I kind of hope so, it will be the first time...

[Solar_Behemoth]

Oh she will die.

Frankly, I think all the monsters are going to die besides Monster X.
Although Monster X might die too, of course.

[mechagodzilla3]

<font color='#0000FF'>Please god make Mothra die PLEASE!!! http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Of course, mothra it's been a pretty much prerequisite of the millenium series to have a Mothra die.

She'll probably die but find a way to ressurect herself.

[Dino Hunter 2.0]

I just hope that she dies. None of this ressurrection crap, just kill off the oversized caterpillar and leave it at that.

All the kaiju in the movie will die in my opinion. Even Godzilla http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Mothraleo]

<font color='#0000FF'>Bug Haters http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[PyrasTerran]

It depends on her role. If she is a benevolent guardian, then there's a good chance she may not die. If she is a mindless destructive insect, chances are she will.

I'll never stop getting sick of the Mothra hatred, so I am hoping she lives throughout the whole flick.

And don't think it'll only be a larva in the film.. chances are high for the imago form to appear as well.

[HolyGoji777]

maybe monster x will have a giant can of raid. i hope the bug does die it would be funny.

[Neo-Crucifer]

Ever notice how much the larva looks like a hot dog? http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/darklord.gif

To be honest, I don't really care.

[Gojira2000]

<font color='#0000FF'>Although I like Mothra A LOT, I may actaully be wanting her to die in this movie. (However, I think all the kaiju are doomed to death IMO.) But Mothra's died so many times in the past, will it even be meaningful? And seen this is a larva, I think a quick, nice, and sad death is in order. Chances are Godzilla will do the killing, no?

[rodan70]

<font color='#810541'>I don't want Mothra to die! I like Mothra, but sometimes, it must happen....

[HolyGoji777]

mothra is one kaiju i wont have a problem with watching them get dismembered.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Seeing as Mosura is one of my fave kaiju, I hope she lives. XD

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] ]I'll never stop getting sick of the Mothra hatred, so I am hoping she lives throughout the whole flick.
Same here. &nbsp;It's not half as bad as the &quot;MechaGodzilla is sooo overused&quot; BS, but still no less annoying. &nbsp;I'm afraid it may be a &quot;damned if you do, damned if you don't&quot; sitration with this issue, however. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif &nbsp;If Mothra dies, then we'll get exactly what we expected, and it will probably be pointless and overdone. &nbsp;If she lives, then all the anti-Mothra folks will just get pissed off. &nbsp;Oh well...

[HolyGoji777]

Quote[/b] (Husnock @ May 24 2004,15:20)]Quote[/b] ]I'll never stop getting sick of the Mothra hatred, so I am hoping she lives throughout the whole flick.
Same here. *It's not half as bad as the &quot;MechaGodzilla is sooo overused&quot; BS, but still no less annoying. *I'm afraid it may be a &quot;damned if you do, damned if you don't&quot; sitration with this issue, however. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif *If Mothra dies, then we'll get exactly what we expected, and it will probably be pointless and overdone. *If she lives, then all the anti-Mothra folks will just get pissed off. *Oh well...
actually i agree with you.

i dont like mothra. but if she dies again it will be stupid. and i will again explain my reasons for being against mg in the new movie...some of which i may have been wrong about
1)to me hes just a replica of a kaiju weve had for a long time...this is a small reason but still
2)after mecha king ghidorah i started hating mechs...i didnt like what they did to kg...this is one of those wrong reaons. i will now try to look at them in a different light again
3)he was just in the last two films...i would like to see someone diff.

basically id like to see a self aware mg...kiryu came close but ultimatly the humans got him back...(as far as i know...havent seen gxmgxm yet) it would be kool if he was solar powered then became an independantly thinking kaiju...that way he could recharge...only prob is missles...

[Angiru-San]

http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Angilas/Mothra.jpg

Now is it just me, or is that the frikkin GFW design??

the date in the upper corner clearly says 2003, and this is some artwork from GMMG!

Now does this mean they are using an unused design....or is this....like Godzillas artwork...just a place holder?

hmmm......

(Image from www.tokyomonsters.com)

now you see, I dont think it is a scrapped version:
http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Angilas/Mothra2.jpg
Note the blue circle, the head, antennae, and mouth design all stuk...the only difference being that the orange on the head was changed to black, and a more rounded eye...easily changed on the final suit...

Now note the Red circle....the feet are CLEARLY the ones featured in the above design sketch

And finally the yellow circle...the only diference is the brown ten was chosen over the orange...

????????????????????????????????????????

[Gorjirus]

Interesting. It could esily be either one. But what I don't understand is how this makes Mothra a "fraud".

[Angiru-San]

the design...not Mothra...

[Gorjirus]

Alright. I get that now. But don't most Mothra's look at least a little bit similar? I mean, they are all moths (if you know what I mean).

[Angiru-San]

yeah I agree (even though Mothra GMK was out on a limb)

which is why i put so many possibilities up there...but this may also say things about the art for others....like if MINYA, KUMONGA, and KING CEESAR just have place holding designs, since their art looks like the Showa....boy I hope so For Minya's sake

[Saruman]

The GMMG Mothra is a sweet design and easily the best looking Mothra, so why not reuse the one from GMMG, it saves Toho money and you know you are getting an excellent looking Mothra, it's not a big deal.

[Angiru-San]

never said it was a big deal...Im just pondering this, and what effect it will have on the rest of the designs....

[Gorjirus]

Perhaps none at all. That might actually be the new design. It could just to be to save money, so that they could spend that big budget on some other part of film production.

[MechaV]

The GMMG Mothra is a sweet design and easily the best looking Mothra, so why not reuse the one from GMMG, it saves Toho money and you know you are getting an excellent looking Mothra, it's not a big deal.
My thoughts exactly Jeff, even though I wish they had used GMK Mothra instead.

Oh well.

[kpa]

Toho's reusing the GMMG Mothra prop. The art on the GFW site is a production drawing of the GMMG Mothra prop. Therefore, no fraud.

[Angiru-San]

thats awesome news, as it is my favorite Mothra design, but where did you get that info?

[Husnock]

Well, if ya gotta do something over again, you might as well copy from the best you've ever done.

Not a bad design to reuse (and MZ claimed that it was probably the best-looking Mothra prop of all time, anyways), so at least we know we won't get anything lesser than before.

even though I wish they had used GMK Mothra instead.True, the GMK design was one of the best. If they were to reuse it, just make a better prop. Is it just me, or did the GMK Mothra prop seem a little... lifeless... to anyone else?

[Angiru-San]

dfenetly, the lack of fur made it look almost plastic..and there was very little head and mouth movement...

then only good thing about the model was the flapping of the wings was quite good...

I have the plush of this design...and i love it...I just wish they wouldve made the real model fuzzy like my plush is....

[ALLOSAURZ]

thats awesome news, as it is my favorite Mothra design, but where did you get that info?
Don't question keith or else there will be men in black suits with black helicopters and what not coming to speak with you.

[rodan70]

Oh well, if they use the GMMG Mothra, I wouldn't mind. It's better than the Heisei Mothra.

[Husnock]

dfenetly, the lack of fur made it look almost plastic..and there was very little head and mouth movement...

then only good thing about the model was the flapping of the wings was quite good...It's a great design and all, and I don't mind the lack of fuzziness (which probabply would've ruined the look), it's just that, well, like you said, it was probably one of the most fake-looking Mothra props I've ever seen. The legs never move more than once in the whole movie, same with the head, and there's virtually no noticeable mouth movement. Even the flapping of the wings looks a bit too fake for my tastes (case-in-point: watch the scene where Mothra comes straight at the office building where the soldiers are watching the battle, just before GMK Goji blasts it; the wings look like flat plastic boards, the way they flap).

[Solar_Behemoth]

Wahoo! I'm very happy that they are reusing the Mothra prop from Tokyo S.O.S.! Mothra 2003 is easily my favorite Mothra design of them all; hopefully it will be executed in GFW as well as it was in GMMG.

[kpa]

thats awesome news, as it is my favorite Mothra design, but where did you get that info?

Insider sources.

[HolyGoji777]

i havent gotten my hands on a us copy of gmmg yet so ill have to wait to decide

[Deoson]

*Comes running in with a look of anger on his face*

If that's the same suit than we're getting cheating out of a monster in GFW!

*Runs back to his cave*

[kpa]

*Comes running in with a look of anger on his face*

If that's the same suit than we're getting cheating out of a monster in GFW!

*Runs back to his cave*

You're a very odd duck.

A suit is something you wear. Mothra is a prop.

I don't see how this could be "cheating" since Mothra's in the movie. There's a gorgeous prop, barely a year old, that most fans think is the best Mothra design in decades-- and you're angry it's being reused?!

Some people just have to find something to complain about.

[Enshohma]

I would prefer if they used the "Tokyo S.O.S." design and prop. Not since the very first 1960 film have I been so impressed with the character and although not 100% realistic, "Tokyo S.O.S." Mothra is one of the most actively animated Japanese monsters I've seen, right up there with GMk Godzilla and Queen Legion. And so much so that I hope she's the standered the other monsters in "Final Wars" will be made to.

[Bruticus]

You're a very odd duck.

A suit is something you wear. Mothra is a prop.

I don't see how this could be "cheating" since Mothra's in the movie. There's a gorgeous prop, barely a year old, that most fans think is the best Mothra design in decades-- and you're angry it's being reused?!

Some people just have to find something to complain about.
Why bother saying anything, Keith, when your avatar (or if you prefer, 'personal pic') can speak for itself? :p (I almost wish I was using that avatar...)

[HolyGoji777]

ive seen some screen shots of gmmg mothra and it looks great. im glad they are using that design

[EternalMothra]

I like this Mothra prop and I'm glad she is in the movie. I hope that they'll make Mothra really big like on the original Mothra 1961. I know Mothra will be good in this movie, because she has always been the guardian of humanity.

[Alien-G]

After watching the T.V. Promo for GFW, Mothra can be clearly seen. She looks a lot like GMMG Mothra, is it the same design from GMMG?

[ALLOSAURZ]

yes............................................... ...................

[Alien-G]

I don't think it's the exact same design, there are some differences, what do you all think are the major differences? or minor?

[ALLOSAURZ]

It is the same prop, same design. There were minor color changes to the wings though but yes it is the same prop

[Solar_Behemoth]

I don't think it's the exact same design, there are some differences, what do you all think are the major differences? or minor?

The same prop is being used... there are no or only minor changes....

This is a good thing since Mothra GMMG is the best design for the kaiju, IMO.