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juan

June 17th, 2003, 05:31 PM

Hi guys. I know that this area is meant for kaiju, but I don't know where else I could put this. I've been wondering about the paranormal in the Godzillaverse ever since I read a little tidbit on the Gurps Godzilla roleplayer website. It read "In American monster movies the world at large doesn't believe in the paranormal. In Godzilla movies only the dellusional don't believe."
*Given the inherent weirdness of a world where giant monsters are common, what about other phenomenon? Remember that line in Godzilla 2000? A disbeliever of Orga's space origin is told "Like Godzilla's normal." Think of it. From GMK we know that ghost exists in the Godzillaverse. From all the aliens, we know that aliens exist. From Godzilla himself, we know that surviving dinosaurs exist. From Mothra, we know that magic exists.
* What else? MiBs? Loch Ness monster? Yeti? Area 51? Given the weirdness factor of giant monsters, what do you think? What chance do you think that weird stuff like what I listed above have of really existing in the Godzillaverse?

MechaV

June 17th, 2003, 10:10 PM

Well from an episode of the GINO cartoon it showed Area 51 as a place where the goverment studied kaiju that had mutated in the US(big rat,giant gila monster what have you)

Godzilla Legend

June 17th, 2003, 11:39 PM

(Dark, heavy breathing)"We meet again, Obi-Juan..." Interesting subject choice. As you may have noticed, I lean toward the realism(as compared to Showa Era) of the Hesei Era(time-goofs of 'GvsKingG' & weak and/or insipid points of 'GvsSpace-G'[ http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eyebrow.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cursing.gif I hate that name http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/exclamation.gif ]), not withstanding. As for 'GvsBiolantte'(I only have the English verson), the only thing REALLY wrong with THAT movie was the music. Since WHEN does POLKA-music belong in a 'G'-Flick???
  On to my point: MiB; I take it you refer to all sorts of cloak & dagger types and secrete organizations. I don't see a problem with this. We saw an example of this with the nefarious Bio-Major and the imaginary Saudi Arabian sound-alike, Sauradia(Hmmm...mutant dino-movie...DinoSAUR...SAURadia. An IN-joke at Toho?). Area-51 is a very real place on Earth, so, save for thier experimenting with 'G'-cels and Para-normal stuff gleened from what may be (or may not be) advertised by G-Force(The movies don't seem to show G-Force keeping Miki Saegusa a big secret. And We do see her get kinapped by The Yakuza in 'GvsSpaceG'), I don't see any reason to aknowledge or NOT acknowlwdge Area-51. If Toho were to make use of it as a plot device, I say be realistic about it within the perameteres I mentioned in my opening paragraph, hence no magic or big-foots. Magic in my opinion should be kept OUT of Hesie realistic stories(again, I have NOT seen the New era movie except for G2k, but some how--->). Magic would spoil the realism(as it were) of Godzilla for me. Since the SEPERATE 'Rebirth' Series has featured a magical version of Hesie Era Mothra(She comes across as more benevolent para-normal-based), it should stay in that continuity. Yeti/big foot legends seem out of place for a GIANT-monster movie, so if I were in charge at Toho, I'd keep them seperate(If You go to fanfiction,net, you can see why a Small creature vs Giant monster would actually work. What if the galaxies GREATEST hunters{hint-Schartzenegger's enemy} desided to bring down to the worlds most dangerous game, The Son of Godzilla?: Read the first two entries of my fanfic...'Godzilla VS PredatorS: Alien Damnation!', Keeping in mind this would be different seeing as it is a LARGE[abolutly NO GROWING Predators into giant versions of themselves!] team of alien proffesional hunters). Besides, why would a Yeti or even yeti's take an interest in Godzilla? That would seem as pointless as having Knight Rider meet Star Trek(tho' maybe Data could accidently go back in time and meet Kitt...Hmmm...Nah. Feel free to use that for Yourselves.)
  Then there is the Loch Ness Monster...Imagine that. Godzilla swims thru' one of those proposed underwater lava tubes(inactive in THAT location, ofcourse) and comes up outta Loch Ness? Would Nessie be able to protect her territory? Doubt it. It would seem a pointless story, as well. But__Still(ACK! Bad Eng-RISH dubbing!), SOME kind of plot-device could even the odds. How about this senario: Local Genetic-Plant scientist creates formula for super plant growth derived from the famous (and quietly Mad) Dr.Shirigami's notes/findings/what-have-U. Godzilla arrives and causes an accident. Naturally the Lab is ON the shore of Loch Ness and all sorts of wild plant and fish mutations spring up. And Nessie, being a nice, ripe mutation-sponge(ofcourse, Japanese scientific cinematic reasoning is applicable here) EATS all this mutant stuff and some slightly mansized monsters as well, thus having 'her' save the local humans on occassion. She then grows to close to Godzilla's Size(Remember, almost half of the monsters on Hesie Era 'G'-movies are spawned from him in some genetic manner. The creatures in G-'85, Biolantte, Space-G, Destroyer, for example[Yes, I know it was not stated on screen, but It seems to me that Dormant life-forms would STAY dormant or would die altogether if exposed to The Oxygen Destroyer. ONLY the bizaare elements of left-over Godzilla...ESSENCE would allow such a thing as Destroyer to rise. I say as much in my fan-fic]. HECK, Rodan became radioctively powered because of 'long(?)term exposure to a local Nuke-Dump[Again, I know I'm stretching here{so was Toho!}but it seems to me that the pteranodon{oversized at first sight due to Toho-cinematic sceince, again}would realistically have died of radon{oh, shut up}poisoning. Rodan didn't die tho' and his radioactively given, LATENT 'fire-rodan' power was activated by the ONE catalyst in MOST of these 'G'-movies...GODZILLA!). So why wouldn't something like  I suggest above happen to Nessie? It would conveniently be temporary...just enough to deal with Godzilla and end with a great climax! What kind of Powers might Nessie have? Anti-gravity flight?....why not? 'Godzilla', the concept is far-fetched in itself. Perhaps She could 'Throw' things at 'G' with anti-gravity....after a few tough battles. She 'lifts' Godzilla out of Ireland, deposits him at sea, 'flies' home...all the while loosing mass as she does and having expened ALL her power to get 'G', she shrinks down to reasonable size....end of of story.
  Sorry, Wrong forum. But it seemed as good a place as any considering Obi-Juan's admiting he had no place else to put this subject matter. Any comments on my off-the cuff story idea?

Raptor

June 18th, 2003, 01:15 AM

I say we seriously consider opening a Japanese Cypto-ONI Studies Group here! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Godzilla Legend

June 18th, 2003, 10:48 PM

UH.... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif OK, I'll bite...crypto-ONI??? ONi is devil(s) in Japanese, so translate the rest for us slower types please. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/helpme.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/intears.gif

Raptor

June 19th, 2003, 06:43 AM

We have a pretty good idea what kaiju are all about but in Japanese science fiction, there are also ghosts and "things". In the States, we have Big Foots and the occasional UFO sighting, even in "real life". Some people believe there are vampires, devils, elves, gnomes, werewolves, etc. Mothra, King Seesar and Gamera may be kaiju but they are also "guardians". I probably should have written "cypto/ONI" (and there are other "boogies", no doubt!)

Obi-juan did pose a very intriguing idea: "From GMK we know that ghost exists in the Godzillaverse. From all the aliens, we know that aliens exist. From Mothra, we know that magic exists. What else? MiBs? Loch Ness monster? Yeti? Area 51? What chance do you think that weird stuff like what I listed above have of really existing in the Godzillaverse?"

I would say, a very good chance! And like the Big foot "hunts" around here, worthy of investigation.

Godzilla Legend

June 19th, 2003, 10:39 PM

AH...but there are more than one universe...or 'Godzillaverse'. I have not seen any 'G'-movies after G2k. But even if I had, I would still differentiate Showa, Hesie and 'Modern'(or what ever the present term is...) as 3(THREE) different Universes. Even Toho has made announcments about the differences. As for Mothra being magic, in the Showa Era we were shown quasi-psychic phenomena that was BOURDERING on magical. It was obvious Toho was being vague about it in the Showa Era. You would see 'native' people worshiping Mothra as if she were a god, thus the magical inclination. But as far as I can remember, no one actually used the word god in reference to Mothra. And the Peanuts(There actual stage name in Real life as I understand it...)/Alianas/Twin fairies or whatever(somebody clear that up for me ONCE & for ALL!) never used words like magic or worship. They did say to 'Bulldog' & co. that they were using telepathy to communicate. But in the Hesie Era...the Cosmos(NOTE the lack of a definition about the plurality of thier name...Just, "We are Cosmos..") displayed OBVIOUS para-psychic powers. And while they did sing to Mothra, this seemed to be PART of what made Mothra operate, not some ritual(s) that a bunch of scared natives created to show respect to thier false god. It was as if thier very voices assisted Mothra in what ever she endevoured to do, such as healing, homing in, and 'sharing' power(Tho' in Showa's 'Gvsthe Thing', They did sing to help the twin Mothra's hatch, but the continuous chanting, "MOTHRA....MOTHRA ...MOTHRA!!!!" was so ritualistic in scope that it was more trible in nature, as I'm sure was Toho's intention for lack of defining what kind of power Mothra utilized, be it Magic/psychic or both[incidently, Mothra is spelled/spoken as 'Mosura' in Japan...which is why it sounds like it has 3 syllables instead of 2 in 'Gvsthe Thing']). Then there is REBIRTH/Mothra. I have no idea if she appears in the more serious 'modern era' Godzilla flicks or weather or not there is a SERIOUS version of Mothra in them either. But from what I can tell, Rebirth/mothra is VERY magically based. And those three sisters, Sourcerers ALL! They are DRASTICALLY different from the Cosmos and as far I know[I have the first 2 Rebirth movies only in English], these three witches or whatever do not call themselves 'Cosmos'[clear this up anyone? By the way, Hesie/Mothra was never SHOWN to comeback from space after the events of 'GvsMothra'-1992, so to me that means she is STILL out there! I have it in both J' & E']. Thats why one can differentiate between Hesie Era Mothra & Hesie(MAGICAL KIDDIE MOVIE)Rebirth/Mothra. If You examine them closely, You see that Showa Era Mothra was only the protector of the Island people and there was no indication of otherwise. Hesie Era Mothra was, according to the Cosmos, the protector of some great techno-society[Atlantis-esque I'd gather] which existed before us{NOT...Adam & Eve...deal w/it}. Whereas magical Rebirth/Mothra was some eon's-old protector of a phantacy realm that existed before thought and time or some such nonscence. To say we should examine the 'magical' nature of Mothra would be a generalization. The same goes for this Ghost element I keep hearing about in post-G2k 'G'-movies. I'm intrigued by the idea[can't wait to see these movies!!!], but I would not confuse aliens and ghosts in 'modern'-'G' movies with the Hesie Era's realism[except for the unfortunate *time-elements in 'GvsKing-G' and 'GvsSpace-G's scientific reasoning...yikes!] or Showa's Era quasi-science and native fear/worship either.
* As for vamps, gnomes, devils, elves Yeti & the like, I don't see them as 'fitting in' with a realistic Godzilla movie. And WHY *put characters like THAT in realistically done 'G' movies[shudders at memory of 'G's Revenge']? Frankenstien is the exception, but thats more due to Showa Era science and Toho Cinematic reasoning{T.C.R.!} and we WANT to avoid old time 50' science-gone-wild thinking in this modern age. Lochness Monster, Men in Black types[read previouse post], Area-51 and Aliens on the other hand would all fit in nicely in ANY G-Era[and Ghosts were featured so if it was well done and seriously treated then I say good!].
* All I'm saying is if a Godzilla movie is made that is PURPOSEFULLY intended to be a continuation of the Showa Era(only an example...I doubt Toho would make such a drastic move, aside from the odd 'historical' link 'G2k' has with *'Gvsthe Thing'[ http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif WHATZ UP WITH THAT!?!?] & 'G'-54...), it's content should be consistant with Showa Era 'G'-movies. If(for another example) Toho did another 'Rebirth of Mothra' movie, then use elves, gnomes, Yeti..etc. and keep it AWAY from the present 'G' Era. But elves & so forth would seem silly in a Hesie Era 'G'-movie('GvsSpace-G' was pushing it with the 'Fairy Cosmos', but then again, this ALSO seemed be a MENTAL image seen ONLY in Miki Saegusa's mind. Had someone been watching her react to them they might have thought her nutz...even in a place like the psychic institute. Also, the 'Fairy Cosmos' made for a good plot-device, seeing as Mothra & the REAL cosmos were off in space AND NEVER CAME BACK!). MiB types would fit in a Rebirth movie...but the situation would bourder on comedy. If the 3rd Evil Fairy Sister[name escapes me] were to employ Werewolfs as her henchmen, it would make a kind of scence. I could see the 'good' fairy sisters telling their mini-fairymoth *to open fire on a werewolf's butt while defending TWO SNIVELING KIDS who end up helping to save the world & telling Mothra, "Gamera! Use Your flame-breath!" uh...er, oops...cough!(got them confused with those three brats in 'GameraVSmonster-X' & any bratty kid named KENNY in Japan *http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif )
* My point is that while all the elements suggested in this forum would work in SOME 'G' or 'G'-related movies...The very silliness, phantasticalness or even the UNDERSIZED-ness of some of these concepts definately would not ALL work in every 'G'-movie...A.K.A, The 'Godzillaverse'. Shutting-up now. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cursing.gif @ bratty kids who instruct giant monsters how to battle!

juan

June 21st, 2003, 01:08 AM

Dear Godzilla Legend, I see that you have less than nice things to say about my weirdness post. In becoming a member of Rodan's Roost I made the desicion of being polite in responding to other people's Forum Posts. I would appreciate it if you would return the favor. After all, Mecha Varan and Raptor were quite polite.
*But don't feel too bad Godzilla Legend. I did like the help you gave me on the Superman SA vs all the kaiju when Superman had to face the Toho Devil. As for your questions concerning Mothra's priestesses here goes.
*In the Showa, or original, series, the priestesses were called the Shobjin. They had no individual names.
*In the hesei, or second, series the priestesses were called the Cosmos. They also had no individual names.
*In the Rebirth series which went from 1996-8, the priestesses were collectively called the Elias-the spelling and pronunciation vary. The two good sisters were Moll, or Mona, and Lora. The older one is Moll and the younger one is Lora. Their wicked older sister is Belvera.
*The current Godzilla series which began with Godzilla 2000 is called the Millinium series. In Godzilla GMK where Mothra appears, we do not see her priestesses. Well hope that clears it up for you http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif !
 Now back to weird stuff in the Godzillaverse(s)!

Godzilla Legend

June 21st, 2003, 05:00 AM

Quote[/b] (obi-juan82 @ June 21 2003,01:08)]"Dear Godzilla Legend, I see that you have less than nice things to say about my weirdness post."[G-L goes down on all fours, faceing down in supplication! ]
* "I did like the help you gave me on the Superman SA vs all the kaiju."[Glad to oblige--.G-L!]
*"In the Showa Era, or original, series, the priestesses were called the Shobjin. They had no individual names.
*In the Hesei Era(2nd) the priestesses were called the Cosmos. They also had no individual names.
*In the Rebirth series, the priestesses were collectively called the Elias-the spelling and pronunciation vary. The two good sisters were Moll, or Mona, and Lora. The older one is Moll and the younger one is Lora. Their wicked older sister is Belvera."[RIGHT! I avoid them like the plague unless my daughter want's to watch them. So I tend to forget those little details. We both love 'zilla flicks but I'm a staunch REALISM & story oriented fan, so if something seems rediculous to me(Shudders again at thoughts of "Save the Earth!"), I refuse to pay money for it. --A 3rd responce edit from Godzilla Legend]
*"The current Godzilla series which began with Godzilla 2000"[I have it. Isn't called 'Godzilla Mellenium' in Japan?--G-L interupts, again!] "is called the Millinium series. In Godzilla GMK where Mothra appears, we do not see her priestesses."[REALLY???...hmm.--Godzilla Legend interuption edit number 5] "Well hope that clears it up for you http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif !
*Now back to weird stuff in the Godzillaverse(s)!"
http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif " http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/helpme.gif ,Obi-juan Kenobi...I've been a dope."(pause..........)"Help me Obi-Juan Kenobi...I've been a dope." http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingseesarsmilie.gif (<---Closest thing I could find to the Princess http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ). But seriously, folks, I was not aware I was being insulting. I hereby apologize to all who read my post and felt that way. I doubely apologize to You obi-Juan(you of the cleverly name set! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif ). Uhm...this'll sound lame, but please quote exactly WHICH line(s) in my post in this forum sounded insulting and please edit it so as to pin-point WHAT You are refering to as I honestly did NOT intend to be insulting, but more suggestive on HOW to think of Godzilla-lore. It would be most appreciated. Your loyal, like-minded bud(I'd like to think), Godzilla Legend(who is embarrased and wishes to to do this---> http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/gray.gif ). P.S. Thanks for clearing things up concerning the Shobojin & etc. I knew half that stuff already but had forgotten some.
  You refered to Hesie Era's the Cosmos as 'priestesses'. I have both the English and Japanese version and I'm sure no one used the word priestess(es) in referance to the Cosmos. Can You or anyone clear this up? Was this a reference from a Toho announment, maybe? Or am I just plain wrong and need to go back and watch both edits, again.
  My first of the Hesie Era series was a fuzzy bootleg print of 'GvsMothra'-'92 IN Japanese with subtitles and it BLEW ME AWAY!!! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nod.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/exclamation.gif How cool was that ringing sound effct when 'G' opened fire in that SUPERIOR flick?! And the 'look' of the radioact breath. BEYOND COOL! And then...Godzilla swims THRU' Lava...)? http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif <--meant to represent incredulously impressed after slipping of couch and onto floor in stunned amazement!!pantpantpant....sorry...got exited there. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif )

juan

June 22nd, 2003, 12:59 AM

Hello Godzilla Legend. I accept your apology. No hard feelings. What got me wasn't anything in particular, it was the constant complaints about realism. As long as the sky isn't green and the grass blue, I don't care that much for realism. After all, Godzilla himself is a scientific immpossibility. I watch the films for their artistic and entertainment value, not realism or the lack thereof.
*Three more things. The film we call Godzilla 2000 is called Godzilla 2000: Millenium in Japan. On the DVD's onscreen commentary, the dubbers say they changed it because by then the millenium had already passed. As a result, Millenium would sound dated. When the film was released in Japan, it was realeased December 1999, so the reference to the millinium was relevant.
As for my calling them the two women preistesses, that's merely what I call them. As for your comment about the ringing sound of Godzilla's ray in Godzilla and Mothra, I prefer the other sound. Just a matter *of taste I suppose. That's all for now. Bye!
*And back to the weirdness!

Gothmog

June 22nd, 2003, 10:48 AM

Gojirafan,didn`t the "Millennium" part in Godzilla 2000`s title refer to the Millennium Aliens(Orga)?
I think it does.
Another weirdness thing: What the hell does those randon picked computer words from Godzilla 2000 mean?
Kingdom...blahblah.....Millennium....
I have no idea.
And another thing:
How many times have the Toho/Daiei universe(s) been subjected to Aliens, many of those turning into Kaiju?
Orga, Zigra, Viras, Xians...
Plz explain.
Sorry if this isn`t on topic.

I hath returned......

imposterzilla_exe

June 22nd, 2003, 11:55 AM

Why didn't the pteranodon die of radon poisoning? *It was an egg originally perhaps radiation caused the embryo to mutate first of all. *And certain animals can take radiation better than us. *By the way, not all individuals of *a species are all alike so radiation is like rolling the cosmic dice but there are more bad circumstances than good. *And who says it was radon? *perhaps Uranium?

Godzilla Legend

July 2nd, 2003, 12:43 AM

Quote[/b] (obi-juan82 @ June 22 2003,00:59)]Hello Godzilla Legend. I accept your apology. No hard feelings.
   I don't care that much for realism. After all, Godzilla himself is a scientific immpossibility. I watch the films for their artistic and entertainment value, not realism or the lack thereof.
*
  As for your comment about the ringing sound of Godzilla's ray in Godzilla and Mothra, I prefer the other sound. Just a matter *of taste I suppose. That's all for now. Bye!
*And back to the weirdness!
"...artistic and entertainment value..."? I gotta admit...It IS entertaining to see(in 'Gvsthe Thing' for example...) Godzilla's 'nose' bouncing up and down while walking on the beach or his astounding(not 'attack on' but) TRIPPING spastically over Tokyo. Then there is the artistically done scene(the movie name escapes me) were Godzilla chats in garbeled English with Angilas before swimming to Japan to save the day... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/intears.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/intears.gif
  Imposter...you commented about radiation effecting different creatures differently:If whom ever it may interest were to read Scott.M.Huse's 'The Collaps of Evolution', they would find out that mutations DO happen in nature, but said mutations would not last long. As Obi-Jaun correctly mentioned, Godzilla is a scientific impossibility. His statement jives with what all REPUTIBLE scientists know as the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which, loosely put, says all things brake down. NOTHING can grow from nothing. Just thought i'd offer some trivial info... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Cyndi

July 13th, 2006, 06:52 PM

Well I have a deceased kaiju's spirit possessing a psychic in a fic I'm writing, so I say paranormal can happen.

Shin lvl2 Goji

July 13th, 2006, 10:06 PM

I'd say the paranormal is right at home in the Godzillaverse. Psychics, alien invaders that control otherworldly beasts, ghosts, and Erika's trapped spirit being in Biollante have already been a proving ground that they fit in. Why shouldn't they in a world where giant monsters roam?

EternalMothra

July 13th, 2006, 11:37 PM

Tiny fairies are kind of paranormal IMO, as is Mothra. Also, Battra being a manifestation of the Earth's spirit is kind of peculiar, yet cool!