Team Give Goji a bad rap vs Team Giant Garden Variety Bug [Archive]

Charles RB

October 19th, 2004, 09:11 PM

Kumonga's got his webspray, and both he & Mothra have good poisons. Kumonga will probably neutralise the ground-based kaiju quickly, while Gigan flies up to take on Mothra. Kumonga takes out the webbed-down GINO but Megalon, using his napalm, discovers he can burn his way out of the webbing and attacks. He takes down Kamikaras quickly and causes some damage to Kumonga before getting too close & getting the poison-sting.

Meanwhile, Gigan takes down Mothra with his fly-by's. He take some damage though, and she'll resort to the poison powder- Gigan is only partially organic, so this won't stun him for that long. Still, a stunned Gigan will drop and be Kumonga prey.

However, Gigan's going to recover (and Kumonga's likely just finished taking down Megalon) and avoid most webbing. He attacks Kumonga, going for the areas Megalon only left damage on- sickle claws stabbing at those will mortally wound Kumonga, though Gigan will take a poison sting doing this.

So the winner is... nobody. Everybody dies.

Gorjirus

October 19th, 2004, 09:15 PM

afterall the poison powder will have a lesser effect on him due to him being a cyborg,

Not true. The cybernetic parts can not operate without the live flesh. You take out one half, and the being is no longer whole.

Only he gets webbed up, he might go underground.

If he gets webbed up, he won't GET to go underground.

Nailing Kumonga in the belly with those drills would be a gorey sight

Would it? Unless I missed a very important part of the film, Megalon most likely cannot drill into a kaiju. He has not shown the ability or the want to do so. He always uses the drills as bludgening objects, not piercing.

then a few blasts would kill him/her

Yes. IF Megalon drilled straight through Kumonga, a few blasts wouldn't kill the spider, as it would already be dead. However, I believe that Megalon cannot do that, and a "few blasts" won't kill a healthy Kumonga.

Zilla could easily take out Kamacuras

Yes. He could. But I think that Kumonga could take him out.

PyrasTerran

October 20th, 2004, 10:35 AM

Not true. The cybernetic parts can not operate without the live flesh. You take out one half, and the being is no longer whole.

Exactly. A cyborg is even more vulnerable to poison than a full organic.

If he gets webbed up, he won't GET to go underground.

Correct. His drills would be all sewn up, not good for drilling.

Would it? Unless I missed a very important part of the film, Megalon most likely cannot drill into a kaiju. He has not shown the ability or the want to do so. He always uses the drills as bludgening objects, not piercing.

Actually, when underground he does like to drill upwards in hopes of thrusting into the opponent. He played this gamed with JJ, who was smart enough to grab the drills and pull him out.

Garden Variety Bug team has it made. If Mothra can keep one kaiju long-enough distracted with her poison pollen, and Kamakuras as a decoy for the others, to sort of round up the other two, Kumonga could kill two birds with one stone by webbing both Megalon and GINO up. Or Gigan and GINO, GIgan and Megalon..

MirrenDono

October 22nd, 2004, 11:55 PM

Dangit I had a really good post before but my internet frigged up and it got deleted...>_>

Originally posted by Gorjirus
Not true. The cybernetic parts can not operate without the live flesh. You take out one half, and the being is no longer whole.
Since when does Mothra's poison paralyze you? It doesn't, it poisons you, and nothing more. Mosu Goji lasted up against it pretty well for that time, enough to get a beam off. Gigan is faaaaar stronger...

That, and you're forgetting that Mothra does not like to use it at first. She likes to go physical, which will be a major mistake for her here. Gigan is way superior to Mosu Goji in physical combat, when Mothra gets close it won't be pretty. Afterall, to quote the Cosmos on her poison powder-

"It is the last weapon she has"

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
Correct. His drills would be all sewn up, not good for drilling.
Uhh, not quite. People forget that Kumonga's webbing is not instantaneous. It takes time to fully enshroud a kaiju. With Megalon standing up, he'll get more on his head/neck/sternum than anything. He could either fly away maybe, run away, blast it off and blast Kumonga, and possibly be able to drill away.

Actually, when underground he does like to drill upwards in hopes of thrusting into the opponent. He played this gamed with JJ, who was smart enough to grab the drills and pull him out.
Yes, and since Kumonga is far lower to the ground, and her stomach is both facing it and is vulnerable, Megalon coming up would be a fine hit for him.

Originally posted by Gorjirus
Yes. IF Megalon drilled straight through Kumonga, a few blasts wouldn't kill the spider, as it would already be dead. However, I believe that Megalon cannot do that, and a "few blasts" won't kill a healthy Kumonga.
*nod* Fine by me, I for one do think though that a few blasts would roast her/him ;)

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 11:36 AM

Since when does Mothra's poison paralyze you? It doesn't, it poisons you, and nothing more.

And what happens when you get poisoned?

Quote:
"It is the last weapon she has"

It is also the ONLY weapon she has.

Uhh, not quite. People forget that Kumonga's webbing is not instantaneous. It takes time to fully enshroud a kaiju. With Megalon standing up, he'll get more on his head/neck/sternum than anything. He could either fly away maybe, run away, blast it off and blast Kumonga, and possibly be able to drill away.

Kumonga doesn't have to spray directly on Megalon for it to be effective. If he sprays in and Megalon WALKS into it, he will get tangled much faster and easier than being sprayed directly.

Also, don't forget that the arena is NYC. If Megalon is going to drill, that is alot of concrete and metal to go through. And, isn't it possible, with Kumonga being a spider, that it could crawl on the walls?

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Gorjirus
And what happens when you get poisoned?
Well, basically you become infected, and slowly your body malfunctions or shuts down, but remember, Mothra's powder certainly takes a while to do some serious damage

It is also the ONLY weapon she has.
True, and that hurts her even more

Kumonga doesn't have to spray directly on Megalon for it to be effective. If he sprays in and Megalon WALKS into it, he will get tangled much faster and easier than being sprayed directly.
He's stupid, but I don't think he'd walk directly into an attack, one that after the first few hits he'll realize is dangerous. Besides, if he's getting blasted, we can expect that he'll blast with his beams or such

Also, don't forget that the arena is NYC. If Megalon is going to drill, that is alot of concrete and metal to go through. And, isn't it possible, with Kumonga being a spider, that it could crawl on the walls?
From what I remember, Kumonga is a very slow mover. That, and what happens when one of the buildings fall, and she/he ends up crashing on her/his back and staying there? He's wiiiiide open for a pounding then.

Also, how will Kumonga know what Megalon is doing? He/she might not understand what the method of attack is

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 11:58 AM

Quote:
Kumonga doesn't have to spray directly on Megalon for it to be effective. If he sprays in and Megalon WALKS into it, he will get tangled much faster and easier than being sprayed directly.

He's stupid, but I don't think he'd walk directly into an attack, one that after the first few hits he'll realize is dangerous. Besides, if he's getting blasted, we can expect that he'll blast with his beams or such

A web isn't really an "attack" per se, and if Kumonga doesn't spray Megalon, he wouldn't know he was "being hit". And once he touches it and tries to break free, he will just get more entalged. I doubt he would automatically try to blast the webbing on him, and that still wouldn't get it off of him.

Also, how will Kumonga know what Megalon is doing? He/she might not understand what the method of attack is

Spiders feel vibrations, so once Megalon goes underground, Kumonga could feel the vibrations that Megalon would make. So if Megalon tries to get under the spider, Kumonga would know that Megalon was underneath it and would do something. What, I don't know. Maybe just move.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 02:14 PM

I'm ashamed of you all. You have forgotten another key thing in a match intellegence.

Kumonga = smart

Showa Mothra = Smart

kamacuarus = stupid

Gino = average

Gigan and Megalon = idiots

Team GGABR is full of morons team which gives them a great disadvantage.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
I'm ashamed of you all. You have forgotten another key thing in a match intellegence.

Kumonga = smart

Showa Mothra = Smart

kamacuarus = stupid

Gino = average

Gigan and Megalon = idiots

Team GGABR is full of morons team which gives them a great disadvantage.
Your points are a bit flawed. Zilla is actually very clever when it comes to battle, and Gigan is only a coward. In fact, he's a bit intelligent, and he's a great battler. The only real stupid kaiju here is Megalon, who stil proved even with his idiocy to be able to fight well

Originally posted by Gorjirus
A web isn't really an "attack" per se, and if Kumonga doesn't spray Megalon, he wouldn't know he was "being hit". And once he touches it and tries to break free, he will just get more entalged. I doubt he would automatically try to blast the webbing on him, and that still wouldn't get it off of him.
I think once Megalon starts getting blasted, he'll try to run away ^_~

That, and even if he doesn't blast it off himself, he can still blast Kumonga. His beam and napalm blasts are very powerful, so I believe after a few Kumonga would go down, but I've already made this clear.

Spiders feel vibrations, so once Megalon goes underground, Kumonga could feel the vibrations that Megalon would make. So if Megalon tries to get under the spider, Kumonga would know that Megalon was underneath it and would do something. What, I don't know. Maybe just move.
But again, Kumonga is slow, Megalon would have to move like a rock for his attack to be avoided, and he's quite fast underground.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 02:35 PM

Your points are a bit flawed. Zilla is actually very clever when it comes to battle, and Gigan is only a coward. In fact, he's a bit intelligent, and he's a great battler. The only real stupid kaiju here is Megalon, who stil proved even with his idiocy to be able to fight well

I think once Megalon starts getting blasted, he'll try to run away ^_~

That, and even if he doesn't blast it off himself, he can still blast Kumonga. His beam and napalm blasts are very powerful, so I believe after a few Kumonga would go down, but I've already made this clear.

But again, Kumonga is slow, Megalon would have to move like a rock for his attack to be avoided, and he's quite fast underground.
Gigan is very smart...if he is controlled by aliens. Megalon never fought well either his tactics were very idiotic.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
Gigan is very smart...if he is controlled by aliens. Megalon never fought well either his tactics were very idiotic.
Yeah, but I believe he's always being controlled by aliens. We have no evidence to his intelligence without it, so we must expect him be controlled. Afterall, the only reason he got pounded after the Nebula dudes got fried was because he was obviously disorientated. That, and he suddenly just felt like he appeared on a battle field, right next to a po'd Goji. Of course he's gonna do nothing, he has no clue what's going on or what just happened!!

And Megalon is still a good fighter. Jet obviously had him on the run, but as far as the single battle went, Megalon was giving him a dang good fight. Also he managed to knock Goji flat in a brief brawl during the final fight, that's impressive!!

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 02:50 PM

Yeah, but I believe he's always being controlled by aliens. We have no evidence to his intelligence without it, so we must expect him be controlled. Afterall, the only reason he got pounded after the Nebula dudes got fried was because he was obviously disorientated. That, and he suddenly just felt like he appeared on a battle field, right next to a po'd Goji. Of course he's gonna do nothing, he has no clue what's going on or what just happened!!

And Megalon is still a good fighter. Jet obviously had him on the run, but as far as the single battle went, Megalon was giving him a dang good fight. Also he managed to knock Goji flat in a brief brawl during the final fight, that's impressive!!
In Godzilla vs Megalon, Gigan was a moron. He was very cowardly and stupid. Kumonga also managed to knock Goji flat in a brief brawl during the final fight, that's impressive!!

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 02:55 PM

Yeah, but I believe he's always being controlled by aliens

In Godzilla vs Gigan, Gigan was undercontrol until Godzilla Tower blew up, since that was where the commands were coming from.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Gorjirus
In Godzilla vs Gigan, Gigan was undercontrol until Godzilla Tower blew up, since that was where the commands were coming from.
Specifics :p

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
In Godzilla vs Megalon, Gigan was a moron. He was very cowardly and stupid. Kumonga also managed to knock Goji flat in a brief brawl during the final fight, that's impressive!!
Cowardly yes, well, maybe, not even. He finally retreated after having his arm broken savagly, being knocked outta the sky with amazing force by Jet, being blasted by Goji's beam to flal out again, and then being hurled into the air, nailed by Godzilla's beam again and crashing down with a sickening thud. I'd retreat after that too

Oh, and where's some proof? I mean, where was he stupid? Because by what I've seen, he gets over his 'stupidity' quite well and is an amazing physical fighter

Sure Kumonga knocked down Goji, it's impressive, but no where what Megalon did, especially with the most physically skilled Godzilla *I mean to imply that Megaro Godzilla is the bets physical fighter of any Godzilla*

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 03:31 PM

Specifics

Aren't they wonderful?

Cowardly yes, well, maybe, not even. He finally retreated after having his arm broken savagly, being knocked outta the sky with amazing force by Jet, being blasted by Goji's beam to flal out again, and then being hurled into the air, nailed by Godzilla's beam again and crashing down with a sickening thud. I'd retreat after that too

Finally. Someone who agrees with me on the "coward" issue. You are right with that statement.

Sure Kumonga knocked down Goji, it's impressive, but no where what Megalon did, especially with the most physically skilled Godzilla *I mean to imply that Megaro Godzilla is the bets physical fighter of any Godzilla*

I think some of that ease was because Kumonga is below Godzilla's center of gravity. It would be easier (I beleive) to knock someone over below the center than above.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 03:47 PM

Sure Kumonga knocked down Goji, it's impressive, but no where what Megalon did
What did he do??? You haven't even proved he has done anything.

Oh, and where's some proof? I mean, where was he stupid?
Well for starters Gigan and Megalon just stood there (literally) watching JJ and Godzilla escape the ring of fire.

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 03:58 PM

Well for starters Gigan and Megalon just stood there (literally) watching JJ and Godzilla escape the ring of fire

There could be a couple of reason for this.

1). What do you expect them to do? Get in the fire themselves?

2). It might have been that, Toho could not add anything to that scene with out it getting to crowded.

But if I am a kaiju, I am not going to go through that fire either.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 04:06 PM

1). What do you expect them to do? Get in the fire themselves?Megalon could have shot his beam.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
What did he do??? You haven't even proved he has done anything.
...

Actually I have, obviously you didn't read it. I flat out stated how Megalon knocked Goji flat once and put up a dang good fight against Jet Jaguar, and incredible physical fighter.

Well for starters Gigan and Megalon just stood there (literally) watching JJ and Godzilla escape the ring of fire.
I'd be a bit surprised to see a robot be able to fly out with Goji hanging onto him. Plus Megalon may not've seen him, afterall, those were some huge flames, and the smokes really covered the area pretty bad.

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 04:20 PM

Megalon could have shot his beam.

huge flames, and the smokes really covered the area pretty bad.

Ansers that question. He can't shoot what he can't see. Sometimes in a fight you must just hold and see what your opponent is going to do. And, weren't they being controlled?

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 04:27 PM

Your telling me a 150 foot monster couldn't see another monster while the flames were 20 feet shorter than it?

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 04:31 PM

^ Did you even bother to read my mentioning of the smoke?

And thanks Gorjirus ^_~

Originally posted by Gorjirus
And, weren't they being controlled?
Well, slightly I guess. Megalon was like how Mechagodzilla was. He'd have a command, and from then on he'd opperate however he wished to succeed with that task, if he got another, he'd work at completing that, but doing the rest on his own.

As for Gigan, no clue. The leader of the Seatopians said Space Hunter Nebula sent Gigan to aid them, but it's never said if he's directly under control by them. Your own choice I guess.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 05:16 PM

Could we get back on topic??? :sly:

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 05:32 PM

It is on topic. Slightly, maybe.

The question has been set on Gigan and Megalon's question. If they were controlled, it would explain their actions.

And it was you who brought up intelligence.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 05:37 PM

IMO If Gigan is controlled his Team wins. If he is not controlled his team losses.:gigan:

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 05:41 PM

Even not controlled, Gigan is a tremendous fighter. He was still able to get and put up a good fight with Godzilla after control was lost. Gigan is, IMO, underrated.

Charles RB

October 23rd, 2004, 06:08 PM

The reason he's underrated is because he retreats when the odds are heavily stacked against him, while other monsters would continue to fight (and be killed); so while he is cowardly compared to other kaiju, it's a bit blown out of proportion where he's concerned.

Gorjirus

October 23rd, 2004, 06:20 PM

he retreats

They ONLY time he retreated was in Godzilla vs Megalon when he just uped and left (and it might not of even been his choice). In Godzilla vs Gigan, the "retreat" is just when he tries to fly. He has to fly to even get off the ground to get turned around, but he is just knocked down each time. I guess this counts as "retreat". When King Ghidorah and Gigan leave, I am guessing that they might of had orders to leave (as we can see that for a moment they do nothing, and King Ghidorah does fire a bolt at Gigan. If they were under control I doubt that would have happened). Then, they again work together, but then they just up and leave.

Or I am wrong and he did retreat to save his life. Surviving hardly counts as cowardly.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
IMO If Gigan is controlled his Team wins. If he is not controlled his team losses.:gigan:
Doubt it. Just as Gorjirus said, he's still a great fighter. He should be able to beat Mothra without too many bruises

And in my eyes Megalon should beat Kumonga easily, but even if not, then ya got Zilla and Gigan both against Kumonga, who both one on one could beat the big spider in my own opinion. Zilla likes to attack from the sides or from behind, Kumonga can't attack there, and he'll probably be focused on Gigan. So that equals...

Diced Arachnid!!!

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 08:43 PM

Doubt it. Just as Gorjirus said, he's still a great fighter. He should be able to beat Mothra without too many bruises

And in my eyes Megalon should beat Kumonga easily, but even if not, then ya got Zilla and Gigan both against Kumonga, who both one on one could beat the big spider in my own opinion. Zilla likes to attack from the sides or from behind, Kumonga can't attack there, and he'll probably be focused on Gigan. So that equals...

Diced Arachnid!!!
LOL in your opinion Minya could beat kumonga.

MirrenDono

October 23rd, 2004, 08:53 PM

Ha!!! That's hilarious! You know you're rigth I do think Minya could beat Kumonga!!! Baaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

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-_-

You're dang lucky this place doesn't allow personal arguments bucko. I call my decisions by how I see them, and I know full-well that Kumonga isn't an uber Kaiju as some members make him once in a blue moon. He's not very hard to beat, and Megalon has two weapons that shatter his main weapon.

DarkGojiLord

October 23rd, 2004, 08:59 PM

Kumonga would not be hard to beat if he was an idiot but he isn't which makes him very smart but you tend to make him sound stupid and make the other monsters sound smarter bucko.:evilglow:

Charles RB

October 23rd, 2004, 10:40 PM

He's not very hard to beat

He's got a very tough amount of webbing and a highly dangerous venomous stinger. He's very hard to beat when you have to get up close to attack him, which most of his opponents are going to be doing here.

And let's not forget Mothra's backing him up, that she can create hurricane winds and that they're in a city. Hurricane winds are going to cause a lot of flying debris to whack the enemy.

PyrasTerran

October 24th, 2004, 01:18 AM

I flat out stated how Megalon knocked Goji flat once

Godzilla knocked him flat many more times.

I'd be a bit surprised to see a robot be able to fly out with Goji hanging onto him. Plus Megalon may not've seen him, afterall, those were some huge flames, and the smokes really covered the area pretty bad.

But they followed Godzilla and JJ with their eyes as they flew out of the flames. Megalon knew exactly what he was seeing, and it baffled him and Gigan.

MirrenDono

October 24th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
Kumonga would not be hard to beat if he was an idiot but he isn't which makes him very smart but you tend to make him sound stupid and make the other monsters sound smarter bucko.:evilglow:
I never said he was an idiot, quit putting words in my mouth. I just know his limits unlike some people *not implying anyone imparticular* and that a Kaiju with a beam weapon, let alone two pojectiles can stop him

Originally posted by CharlesRB
He's got a very tough amount of webbing and a highly dangerous venomous stinger. He's very hard to beat when you have to get up close to attack him, which most of his opponents are going to be doing here.

And let's not forget Mothra's backing him up, that she can create hurricane winds and that they're in a city. Hurricane winds are going to cause a lot of flying debris to whack the enemy.
Too bad he's fighting a Kaiju with two beam weapons here. Besides, as I've made it clear many times, it's not like once you get sprayed you're done, they can run away or avoid it. Afterall, all three Kaiju have a superior form of movement. Gigan can fly, Zilla is just uber fast, and Megalon can dig. Kumonga is slow, and can only attack and look in one direction. That, and it'll take a while for him to turn to another kaiju. If you have a beam weapon against him, your chances for beating him are good. Hell, Gappa could possibly beat him

Oh, and don't forget that I've explained that Gigan would kill Mothra without too much trouble, so she'd be outta the picture

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
Godzilla knocked him flat many more times.
Not my point, at one time in a brawl, Megalon was seriously battering the greatest physical fighter of any Goji.

But they followed Godzilla and JJ with their eyes as they flew out of the flames. Megalon knew exactly what he was seeing, and it baffled him and Gigan.
Baffled? No. I consider it more of disbelief. Here they are, their two enemies trapped in a ring of fire that they cannot escape. Their plan seems full proof! But then the two get outta there in quite the funny manner at that. Their entire plan just blew up in there faces, of course they're gonna be O_O;;;

DarkGojiLord

October 24th, 2004, 09:28 AM

I never said he was an idiot, quit putting words in my mouth.
Oh you have never said idiot but you have said things like that would you like me to quote it?

I just know his limits unlike some people *not implying anyone imparticular* and that a Kaiju with a beam weapon, let alone two pojectiles can stop him
Yes you have limits for Kumonga but you don't have any for other monsters.

Too bad he's fighting a Kaiju with two beam weapons here. Besides, as I've made it clear many times, it's not like once you get sprayed you're done, they can run away or avoid it. Afterall, all three Kaiju have a superior form of movement. Gigan can fly, Zilla is just uber fast, and Megalon can dig. Kumonga is slow, and can only attack and look in one direction. That, and it'll take a while for him to turn to another kaiju. If you have a beam weapon against him, your chances for beating him are good. Hell, Gappa could possibly beat himI hope you know it took the power of Godzilla's beam just to defeat Kumonga not kill. Megalon's head beam isn't going to help him his only beam weapons are his bombs which go a good distance even to hit Kumonga.

Not my point, at one time in a brawl, Megalon was seriously battering the greatest physical fighter of any Goji.
I just watched the monvie and Megalon only knocked him down once that is it though he was battering JJ.

Baffled? No. I consider it more of disbelief. Here they are, their two enemies trapped in a ring of fire that they cannot escape. Their plan seems full proof! But then the two get outta there in quite the funny manner at that. Their entire plan just blew up in there faces, of course they're gonna be O_O;;;
Make up your mind first you say the couldn't see them moving out now you say this. Also Gigan and Megalon had a job to kill them from there masters
they were supposed to get them but they let them get away there STUPID!!!!

MirrenDono

October 24th, 2004, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
Oh you have never said idiot but you have said things like that would you like me to quote it?I've never mentioned intelligence except for Gigan and Megalon

Yes you have limits for Kumonga but you don't have any for other monsters.Actually I do, I just know they can beat Garden Bug Variety

I hope you know it took the power of Godzilla's beam just to defeat Kumonga not kill. Megalon's head beam isn't going to help him his only beam weapons are his bombs which go a good distance even to hit Kumonga.Uhh, sorry to let you know, but Megalon's beam is quite strong, and his napalm blast is also a very powerful attack.

Oh yeah, Godzilla's beam isn't all powerful, there are many kaiju that outmatch his beam.

I just watched the monvie and Megalon only knocked him down once that is it though he was battering JJDoesn't matter, he should he can fight well against Godzilla, and he obviously was fighting against Jet Jaguar pretty well

Make up your mind first you say the couldn't see them moving out now you say this. Also Gigan and Megalon had a job to kill them from there masters
they were supposed to get them but they let them get away there STUPID!!!!First off, fix your grammar, I could barely make out what you were implying in those last couple sentences

I made a misjudgement, I hadn't seen the movie in a while. Plus at first they obviously couldn't see what was happening, and then a little bit later they could. It didn't matter if they had a job to kill them, they wee outdone in the end and were amazed that their plan had gone up in smoke, almost literally. That doesn't make them stupid.

PyrasTerran

October 24th, 2004, 11:53 AM

Not my point, at one time in a brawl, Megalon was seriously battering the greatest physical fighter of any Goji.

If it was a serious battering, than Goji would have been in trouble. He owned Both Gigan and Megalon with a TREE.

The only kind of impending doom there ever was was when:

1) Gigan had JJ's beaten body hostage,
2) Godzilla and JJ were in a ring of fire

And #2 was a false sense of doom.

Baffled? No. I consider it more of disbelief. Here they are, their two enemies trapped in a ring of fire that they cannot escape. Their plan seems full proof! But then the two get outta there in quite the funny manner at that. Their entire plan just blew up in there faces, of course they're gonna be O_O;;;

Exactly. Baffled. Disbelief. Shock. WTF.

This means that Megalon had the chance to fire at them, but both he and Gigan were awestruck because they forgot JJ can fly.

his napalm blast is also a very powerful attack.

It also bounces off kaiju skin. He could very well accidentally bounce it back to him. Or if hes got silk falling on him, the ball can even get lodged in his mandibles and pop right there.

Oh yeah, Godzilla's beam isn't all powerful, there are many kaiju that outmatch his beam.

And yet Gigan and Megalon fear it like the 7 horsemen.

he should he can fight well against Godzilla,

Once. Godzilla trounced him so many more times it doesn't make up.

Plus at first they obviously couldn't see what was happening, and then a little bit later they could. It didn't matter if they had a job to kill them, they wee outdone in the end and were amazed that their plan had gone up in smoke, almost literally. That doesn't make them stupid.

It does when they know(or should know from actually seeing it before) that JJ can fly.

Charles RB

October 24th, 2004, 01:21 PM

Afterall, all three Kaiju have a superior form of movement. Gigan can fly, Zilla is just uber fast, and Megalon can dig.

Try moving fast or digging when you're webbed down. Megalon might start digging and then get trapped from all the webbing sticking to the tunnel he's digging through.

We're also in a city- Megalon digs in a city, he'll upset the architecture (so buildings fall on him as he starts digging) and he'll tear through gas pipes & underground electric wires, so instant explosion directly in his face. That won't harm him too badly except possibly in his eyes, but it'll surprise him into pulling back.

Kumonga is slow

With the arsenal Kumonga has, he doesn't need to be that fast. This guy proved a substantial threat to Showa Godzilla, he's not an easy opponent.

Oh, and don't forget that I've explained that Gigan would kill Mothra without too much trouble

Hurricane winds and poison dust don't equal too much trouble. Gigan fly-by's his opponents when flying, so when Mothra uses her dust he'll get a faceful of it at high speed. That'll stun him, not something you want to do at high speed in mid air above lots of buildings. While Gigan can beat Mothra, he's going to take damage doing so just from the poison.

Here they are, their two enemies trapped in a ring of fire that they cannot escape.

As a side note, that was a very stupid moment in the film. This is Godzilla! He can walk through the ring of fire!

Oh yeah, Godzilla's beam isn't all powerful, there are many kaiju that outmatch his beam.

This is true, but Megalon isn't one of them.

This means that Megalon had the chance to fire at them, but both he and Gigan were awestruck because they forgot JJ can fly.

Heh heh heh. :D

DarkGojiLord

October 24th, 2004, 03:24 PM

Actually I do, I just know they can beat Garden Bug Variety

I know you must love GFW Gigan because of that statement.

Oh yeah, Godzilla's beam isn't all powerful, there are many kaiju that outmatch his beam
Funny how Megalon isn't one of them

I made a misjudgement, I hadn't seen the movie in a while. Plus at first they obviously couldn't see what was happening, and then a little bit later they could. It didn't matter if they had a job to kill them, they wee outdone in the end and were amazed that their plan had gone up in smoke, almost literally. That doesn't make them stupid

It took them more then five seconds to figure that out?

Gorjirus

October 24th, 2004, 05:43 PM

it's not like once you get sprayed you're done, they can run away or avoid it.

Actually, after watching that scene, it only takes about 5 SECONDS to get covered by Kumonga's webbing. After that, you are encased. And since they are in a city, that webbing is going to go from building to building. Megalon is going to be stuck faster than anything. As would the other two as well.

SCGamerXX24

October 25th, 2004, 01:56 PM

i think garden variety bugs win...for obvious reasons...

MirrenDono

October 25th, 2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
If it was a serious battering, than Goji would have been in trouble. He owned Both Gigan and Megalon with a TREE.

The only kind of impending doom there ever was was when:

1) Gigan had JJ's beaten body hostage,
2) Godzilla and JJ were in a ring of fire

And #2 was a false sense of doom.
I know, but it still proves that when it comes down to it, adding even more with his battle with Jet, he's a good physical fighter. It's all I'm trying to prove, and yet a few people are twisting my words around

Exactly. Baffled. Disbelief. Shock. WTF.

This means that Megalon had the chance to fire at them, but both he and Gigan were awestruck because they forgot JJ can fly.
With a 25,000 ton lizard on his back?

It also bounces off kaiju skin. He could very well accidentally bounce it back to him. Or if hes got silk falling on him, the ball can even get lodged in his mandibles and pop right there.
And that's why it bounced of Jet Jaguar in the air?

And yet Gigan and Megalon fear it like the 7 horsemen.
A misunderstanding on your part. What DarkGojiLord said about Goji's breath being the only thing to stop Kumonga, that's what I was replying too, that there are many, many kaiju who have a stronger beam than Musuko Godzilla

Once. Godzilla trounced him so many more times it doesn't make up.
Godzilla pounded him once physically, the rest was after a few beams

It does when they know(or should know from actually seeing it before) that JJ can fly.
Not to be repeating myself but...

With a 25,000 ton lizard on his back?

Originally posted by Charles RB
Try moving fast or digging when you're webbed down. Megalon might start digging and then get trapped from all the webbing sticking to the tunnel he's digging through.

We're also in a city- Megalon digs in a city, he'll upset the architecture (so buildings fall on him as he starts digging) and he'll tear through gas pipes & underground electric wires, so instant explosion directly in his face. That won't harm him too badly except possibly in his eyes, but it'll surprise him into pulling back.
The city terrain can work against Kumonga too. What if a few skyscraper tip over his way?

With the arsenal Kumonga has, he doesn't need to be that fast. This guy proved a substantial threat to Showa Godzilla, he's not an easy opponent.
Then again, Musuko Godzilla isn't one of the stronger Godzillas, but don't quote me on that, I'll need to re-watch Godzilla's Revenge soon

Hurricane winds and poison dust don't equal too much trouble. Gigan fly-by's his opponents when flying, so when Mothra uses her dust he'll get a faceful of it at high speed. That'll stun him, not something you want to do at high speed in mid air above lots of buildings. While Gigan can beat Mothra, he's going to take damage doing so just from the poison.
I'd write it newly, but I'm too lazy and I have too much to reply to, just read my back-posts to find out why Gigan would whup Mothra

As a side note, that was a very stupid moment in the film. This is Godzilla! He can walk through the ring of fire!
"And I went down down down in a burning ring of fire! I went down down down and the flame went higher! And it burns burns burns, The Ring of Fire, the Ring of Fire..."

This is true, but Megalon isn't one of them.
Depends on what Showa Godzilla it is. If it's Shoshingecki or Megaro, no. Daisenso, maybe, anyone else's, ohhh yeah

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
I know you must love GFW Gigan because of that statement.[/i]

How old are you? Because you're throwing out the most immature, pointless, and just plain judging comments at me

But yes, I very much like GFW Gigan

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Funny how Megalon isn't one of them
And again, depends on the Godzilla

It took them more then five seconds to figure that out?
For about five seconds they couldn't see, then for about four or another five they seemed surprised that Jet could fly rather well with Goji hanging on

Originally posted by Gorjirus
Actually, after watching that scene, it only takes about 5 SECONDS to get covered by Kumonga's webbing. After that, you are encased. And since they are in a city, that webbing is going to go from building to building. Megalon is going to be stuck faster than anything. As would the other two as well.
Well from what I saw in DAM hell no, but I'll be sure to re-watch Son of Godzilla and Godzilla's Revenge for a full reply.

And nevertheless, even if Megalon is wrapped up, he still has the lightning beam to save him. And though I personally doubt it, even if that's not enough, you got Gigan and Zilla both on Kumonga. One attacks head on, the other's a sleeze and attacks from the sides cheaply. Kumonga focuses on Gigan for a few seconds, Zilla runs in from the other sides and pounces.

That, or even if Gigan is somehow taken out, you got city terrain, Zilla's territory. Kumonga won't have a chance. He cna only attack in one direction, and Zilla can attack from five more, especially from behind. Hell, if he gets to one of the buildings, he can just do a mega pounce and from there it's slaughtered spider

Charles RB

October 25th, 2004, 04:02 PM

The city terrain can work against Kumonga too. What if a few skyscraper tip over his way?

True, but the terrain doesn't work against him using in his abilities.

I'd write it newly, but I'm too lazy and I have too much to reply to, just read my back-posts to find out why Gigan would whup Mothra

I agree he'd whup Mothra, but he's going to get poisoned doing so and drop like a stone onto the city. There's a reason why my vote for the fight was that both teams end up dead.

"And I went down down down in a burning ring of fire! I went down down down and the flame went higher! And it burns burns burns, The Ring of Fire, the Ring of Fire..."

"I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE! AND I BRING YOU- Fire!/I'll take you to burn..."

Depends on what Showa Godzilla it is.

Thing is, every Godzilla from Godzilla Raids Again up to Terror of MechaGodzilla is counted as the same creature on his stats. Differences in suits don't get counted unless someone specifies that particular Godzilla suit.

you got Gigan and Zilla both on Kumonga.

That relies on Zilla reacting fast enough to the web-spray to dodge it and nip round a side alley. As for Gigan, that depends on where Kumonga is when Mothra's poison dust whacks him down; if Kumonga's far away, then he's fine and can take out the spider; if not, he's going to get poisoned.

Gorjirus

October 25th, 2004, 04:07 PM

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It also bounces off kaiju skin. He could very well accidentally bounce it back to him. Or if hes got silk falling on him, the ball can even get lodged in his mandibles and pop right there.

And that's why it bounced of Jet Jaguar in the air?

Guessing that that was sarcasm (sorry if it isn't), maybe because Godzilla was able to pick it up, hold it, and throw it back.

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Originally posted by Gorjirus
Actually, after watching that scene, it only takes about 5 SECONDS to get covered by Kumonga's webbing. After that, you are encased. And since they are in a city, that webbing is going to go from building to building. Megalon is going to be stuck faster than anything. As would the other two as well.

Well from what I saw in DAM hell no, but I'll be sure to re-watch Son of Godzilla and Godzilla's Revenge for a full reply.

That was from Godzilla's Revenge, but that is stock fotage from Son of Godzilla.

MirrenDono

October 25th, 2004, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Charles RB
True, but the terrain doesn't work against him using in his abilities.
I still think Megalon could dig, it'd just be a lil harder

Actually, if the kaiju hide behind buildings, Kumonga's webbing is worthless. And especially with Zilla, who is a lil cheapo. Even if it came down to just those two, I'd give it to the Goji-mock off due to the envirorment

I agree he'd whup Mothra, but he's going to get poisoned doing so and drop like a stone onto the city. There's a reason why my vote for the fight was that both teams end up dead.
But again, Mothra would waste too much time not using it, and she'd surely be killed before she does. And even if it's different, Mosu Goji stood up decently against it, Gigan can do faaaar better

"I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE! AND I BRING YOU- Fire!/I'll take you to burn..."
*needs more lyrics...*

Thing is, every Godzilla from Godzilla Raids Again up to Terror of MechaGodzilla is counted as the same creature on his stats. Differences in suits don't get counted unless someone specifies that particular Godzilla suit.
True, but I've proven time and time again that they're very different, and in many aspects at that; physical combat skills, fortitude, beam power, speed, agility, personality you name it! ^_~

That relies on Zilla reacting fast enough to the web-spray to dodge it and nip round a side alley. As for Gigan, that depends on where Kumonga is when Mothra's poison dust whacks him down; if Kumonga's far away, then he's fine and can take out the spider; if not, he's going to get poisoned.
At a speed of 480 miles per hour and being afraid of any weapon, I think Zilla could do it, also he can just jump on a building or two

Gigan, point taken, though I still doubt Mothra won't get off her poison, and even if so it won't do enough

Originally posted by Gorjirus
Guessing that that was sarcasm (sorry if it isn't), maybe because Godzilla was able to pick it up, hold it, and throw it back.
Jet threw it, but it's always been my opinion that they have a timed effect, afterall my God that explosion on Jet Jaguar was nasty!

That was from Godzilla's Revenge, but that is stock fotage from Son of Godzilla.
True, but that's his main fight, it's perfect reference

PyrasTerran

October 25th, 2004, 08:55 PM

I know, but it still proves that when it comes down to it, adding even more with his battle with Jet, he's a good physical fighter. It's all I'm trying to prove, and yet a few people are twisting my words around

Of course he's good. He's shown his fair share of clever strategies. But we must keep in mind that he's going to get as confused and helpless before Kumonga's spray as just about every other kaiju would be.

With a 25,000 ton lizard on his back?

I have a good feeling the same effect would have happened if it was only JJ who got out of there.

And, keep in mind that it doesn't change the fact that they were there gawking for an OBSCENE ammount of time. No ammount of reasoning can change that if they were real smart they would have shot them to the ground.

And that's why it bounced of Jet Jaguar in the air?

Megalon used the beam, not the napalm ball, against JJ.

A misunderstanding on your part. What DarkGojiLord said about Goji's breath being the only thing to stop Kumonga, that's what I was replying too, that there are many, many kaiju who have a stronger beam than Musuko Godzilla

Ah, I see.

Keep in mind that Megalon does not have one of them.

Not to be repeating myself but...

With a 25,000 ton lizard on his back?

Again, that doesn't make up for the fact that they gawked for SO long.

Charles RB

October 25th, 2004, 08:59 PM

And, keep in mind that it doesn't change the fact that they were there gawking for an OBSCENE ammount of time.

All I can do is quote Lake Texakarna Gamera: "Well, Ah saw it... but I thought it was just coz Ah was drunk!"

MirrenDono

October 25th, 2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
Of course he's good. He's shown his fair share of clever strategies. But we must keep in mind that he's going to get as confused and helpless before Kumonga's spray as just about every other kaiju would be.True, but again, he has that beam still to help him out, it's strong, and it may be his only saving grace

I have a good feeling the same effect would have happened if it was only JJ who got out of there.

And, keep in mind that it doesn't change the fact that they were there gawking for an OBSCENE ammount of time. No ammount of reasoning can change that if they were real smart they would have shot them to the ground.I usually don't consider 4 seconds *yes I timed it, from the time they show physical shock to the time you hear Goji and Jet land, it's four seconds* a 'obscene' amount of time, but if you do, that's your own notion

Megalon used the beam, not the napalm ball, against JJ.After what I just watched, that's highly debatable. If you look at it, when Megalon fires, his mouth also opens up. Now, we don't even hear a roar out of him, so a cry of fury is outta the question. But then, even more, we don't see any streak of energy near Jet. All we see is an explosion, there is not a single trace of the lightning beam. It's very, very possible that he used the Napalm Bomb

Ah, I see.

Keep in mind that Megalon does not have one of them.The one of what? o_o;;;

Again, that doesn't make up for the fact that they gawked for SO long.Again, I don't consider 4 seconds 'SO long', but if you do, cool. You and I don't seem to agree on anything, why start now? ;)

PyrasTerran

October 25th, 2004, 10:50 PM

I usually don't consider 4 seconds *yes I timed it, from the time they show physical shock to the time you hear Goji and Jet land, it's four seconds* a 'obscene' amount of time, but if you do, that's your own notion

Again, I don't consider 4 seconds 'SO long', but if you do, cool. You and I don't seem to agree on anything, why start now?

You better re-check that. It was 7-8 seconds long. And don't tell me that they couldn't see through the smoke. The camera was outside the ring of fire and we could see them taking off fine.

After what I just watched, that's highly debatable. If you look at it, when Megalon fires, his mouth also opens up. Now, we don't even hear a roar out of him, so a cry of fury is outta the question. But then, even more, we don't see any streak of energy near Jet. All we see is an explosion, there is not a single trace of the lightning beam. It's very, very possible that he used the Napalm Bomb

JJ's gone too high up for Megalon to be able to chuck a Napalm ball so high up, but I see what you mean.

Still, there are instances where the ball simply bounces off kaiju and times wehn it doesn't detonate until much later. It's too volatile at times to be considered handy.

MirrenDono

October 26th, 2004, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
You better re-check that. It was 7-8 seconds long. And don't tell me that they couldn't see through the smoke. The camera was outside the ring of fire and we could see them taking off fine.
I just watched it. It's four seconds, and four seconds only

When Goji and Jet are inside, they're glancing around to possibly find a way to escape, and Gigan and Megalon are cackling and almost celebrating. Goji jumps onto Jet Jaguar, and Megalon and Gigan both stop, both of them looking confused *in fact, I believe it's Megalon who actually tilts his head in bemusement* Goji and Jet lift off into the smoke, and from the camera angle all you can see are their legs. Shot goes back to Gigan and Megalon, who show a physical reaction of being shocked, their arms drop,and Gigan leans forward. Three-four seconds later, Godzilla and Jet land.

JJ's gone too high up for Megalon to be able to chuck a Napalm ball so high up, but I see what you mean.

Still, there are instances where the ball simply bounces off kaiju and times wehn it doesn't detonate until much later. It's too volatile at times to be considered handy.
I doubt that, he fired them off at Goji and Jet for the Ring of Fire from quite far away. They have good distance, yes it won't go as far up into the air, but it most certainly can reach that height. Besides, it's the only logical thing according to the film that hits him

It never bounced off Kiaju either. It bounces on the ground next to Godzilla, and doesn't even touch him. Jet then throws it away. It's a timed weapon, if Megalon uses it from a range like he did with the ring of fire and on Jet Jaguar, it could be very deadly

PyrasTerran

October 26th, 2004, 04:49 PM

I just watched it. It's four seconds, and four seconds only

When Goji and Jet are inside, they're glancing around to possibly find a way to escape, and Gigan and Megalon are cackling and almost celebrating. Goji jumps onto Jet Jaguar, and Megalon and Gigan both stop, both of them looking confused *in fact, I believe it's Megalon who actually tilts his head in bemusement* Goji and Jet lift off into the smoke, and from the camera angle all you can see are their legs. Shot goes back to Gigan and Megalon, who show a physical reaction of being shocked, their arms drop,and Gigan leans forward. Three-four seconds later, Godzilla and Jet land.

Yes, that whole sequence was 7-8 seconds long, dude. How on earth could Goji and JJ have gotten out of there and back on the ground in only 4 seconds while at the same time give screentime to Megalon and Gigan being bewildered *twice*??

It never bounced off Kiaju either. It bounces on the ground next to Godzilla, and doesn't even touch him. Jet then throws it away. It's a timed weapon, if Megalon uses it from a range like he did with the ring of fire and on Jet Jaguar, it could be very deadly

It's not a timed weapon, it's simply unreliable. At times it explodes on impact, and at others it simply doesn't explode until much later.

And yes, it DID bounce off kaiju hide. Megalon shot it at Godzilla's head, and it bounced right off and back into his mouth, seering him from the inside.

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MirrenDono

October 26th, 2004, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
Yes, that whole sequence was 7-8 seconds long, dude. How on earth could Goji and JJ have gotten out of there and back on the ground in only 4 seconds while at the same time give screentime to Megalon and Gigan being bewildered *twice*??
Arg. Watch it, Megalon and Gigan do not show pure shock until Godzilla and Jet can be seen flying out of the ring of fire. Before that they just stop their celebrating and watch on in confusement, Megalon tilts his head to the side, that is an ultimate sign of confusion! But when the camera shows Jet hovering out, Gigan actually leans forward *a perfect sign of asonishment* and Megalon throws both arms down.That moment has much more action to show disbelief than the other, faaaaar more!

But meh, this is getting no where, it's really all a matter of discerning the Kaiju's emotions through what you see...

It's not a timed weapon, it's simply unreliable. At times it explodes on impact, and at others it simply doesn't explode until much later.

And yes, it DID bounce off kaiju hide. Megalon shot it at Godzilla's head, and it bounced right off and back into his mouth, seering him from the inside.
The one time it didn't explode was when it flew by Goji's head, and Jet threw it back. Every other time *minus the eating of one* they exploded fine, and God knows how many times he fired those off and they exploded perfectly! It is not unreliable, and if it is, it's a rare chance of failing. It's gotta be a timed weapon. Why? Because when Megalon fired it at Jet Jaguar, Jet was high into the air, and it exploded. He was far away, so it had more time before it detonated. When he created the ring of fire, he was further away, and went he fired them, they exploded fine. Again, more time before detonation. But when he shoots it at Goji's head, Jet picks up, and throws it back with a rather weak hurl, yet it explodes still in front of Megalon. The length Jet threw it with that weaker throw, and that it exploded only in front of Megalon can show that Meg was further away, it it took longer to detonate

Oh, and no duh it bounced off Goji, it had no time to explode. That was barely even 160 foot distance, it lasted for like 1 second, it had no time to detonate.

PyrasTerran

October 26th, 2004, 11:07 PM

Arg. Watch it, Megalon and Gigan do not show pure shock until Godzilla and Jet can be seen flying out of the ring of fire. Before that they just stop their celebrating and watch on in confusement, Megalon tilts his head to the side, that is an ultimate sign of confusion! But when the camera shows Jet hovering out, Gigan actually leans forward *a perfect sign of asonishment* and Megalon throws both arms down.That moment has much more action to show disbelief than the other, faaaaar more!

But meh, this is getting no where, it's really all a matter of discerning the Kaiju's emotions through what you see...

I suppose, it still proves that they're retards. I can name 100 people on this forum who would have shot them out of the sky before they could get out of the ring of fire.

The one time it didn't explode was when it flew by Goji's head, and Jet threw it back. Every other time *minus the eating of one* they exploded fine, and God knows how many times he fired those off and they exploded perfectly! It is not unreliable, and if it is, it's a rare chance of failing. It's gotta be a timed weapon. Why? Because when Megalon fired it at Jet Jaguar, Jet was high into the air, and it exploded. He was far away, so it had more time before it detonated. When he created the ring of fire, he was further away, and went he fired them, they exploded fine. Again, more time before detonation. But when he shoots it at Goji's head, Jet picks up, and throws it back with a rather weak hurl, yet it explodes still in front of Megalon. The length Jet threw it with that weaker throw, and that it exploded only in front of Megalon can show that Meg was further away, it it took longer to detonate

Oh, and no duh it bounced off Goji, it had no time to explode. That was barely even 160 foot distance, it lasted for like 1 second, it had no time to detonate.

And what about when he suposedly shot it at JJ while JJ took off? That was even FASTER a time than when it bounced off Godzilla's head, and faster a time when it landed by Godzilla's head. It was almost instantaneous in timing. How can you ignore this?

ghidorahsaurus

October 27th, 2004, 07:29 AM

What a fun fight to imagine! :) I think Gino’s speed, claws, and teeth would allow him to rip Kamacuras apart. Also, I think either Gigan’s buzz saw fly-bys or Megalon’s arsenal would be too much for Showa Mothra. Thus, in my opinion, this fight eventually becomes 3-on-1: Kumonga against Gigan, Megalon, and Gino. Kumonga is as good as dead. Give the victory to Team Give Goji a Bad Rap. :)

MirrenDono

October 27th, 2004, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
I suppose, it still proves that they're retards. I can name 100 people on this forum who would have shot them out of the sky before they could get out of the ring of fire.
Well duh, I think there's like 2 Kaiju that are smarter than a human :P

And no, it doesn't completely prove their retards. Four seconds of shock isn't utter stupidity, it's not very much on par with 'genius' but it's not too far low

And what about when he suposedly shot it at JJ while JJ took off? That was even FASTER a time than when it bounced off Godzilla's head, and faster a time when it landed by Godzilla's head. It was almost instantaneous in timing. How can you ignore this?
I should be asking you about ignoring

You completely ignored what I had said. It's probably timed. It exploded on Jet so quickly because he was surely high in the air. It's not 'unrelieable', it always explodes, it just takes some time, hence when he's gotta be a bit away to use it perfectly. Jet barely threw it back at him, and it exploded then, he couldn't have been far away since Jet threw that thing like nothing, and it exploded in front of him. It's only shown not to exploded once, and that's where he ate it. Every other time it exploded on contact because he had distance with it, when Jet threw it, he wasn't far away, so of course it didn't exploded just yet

PyrasTerran

October 28th, 2004, 10:39 AM

Well duh, I think there's like 2 Kaiju that are smarter than a human :P

And no, it doesn't completely prove their retards. Four seconds of shock isn't utter stupidity, it's not very much on par with 'genius' but it's not too far low

7 seconds of shock is.

I should be asking you about ignoring

You completely ignored what I had said. It's probably timed. It exploded on Jet so quickly because he was surely high in the air. It's not 'unrelieable', it always explodes, it just takes some time, hence when he's gotta be a bit away to use it perfectly. Jet barely threw it back at him, and it exploded then, he couldn't have been far away since Jet threw that thing like nothing, and it exploded in front of him. It's only shown not to exploded once, and that's where he ate it. Every other time it exploded on contact because he had distance with it, when Jet threw it, he wasn't far away, so of course it didn't exploded just yet

I didn't ignore this, but you obviously ignored what I had said.

The time it took for Megalon to shoot a napalm ball at Jet Jaguar while he tried to fly away was FASTER than the time it took for JJ to throw it back at Megalon later. Distance has nothing to do with it because like you said it's timed. But obviously, it's not consistent.

MirrenDono

October 30th, 2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
7 seconds of shock is.4

We can go on all day Pyras! I don't have a life anyways! ;)

I didn't ignore this, but you obviously ignored what I had said.

The time it took for Megalon to shoot a napalm ball at Jet Jaguar while he tried to fly away was FASTER than the time it took for JJ to throw it back at Megalon later. Distance has nothing to do with it because like you said it's timed. But obviously, it's not consistent.Dude, Jet was high in the air, Megalon had to shoot it up into the air. That's freakin' distance. Height technically, but it's distance nevertheless. He was high up in the air, so when Megalon fired it, it got the needed time amount by flying at the enemy before exploded.

And yes distance has to do with time, it very much does. The more distance you have to throw a grenade for example, the more time it has to get ready to explode. It you take a litten firecracker and toss it at someone five feet from you, will it explode? Most surely not, now what if you somehow throw it when he's 70 feet away from you? Sure the size of the whick is important, but it proves my point on it far enough

EDIT-

Oh, and after watching Son of Godzilla, I've realized now that Kumonga has sadly went from an underrated kaiju to an overrated kaiju

God above people, it's freakin' horrible! Enough of making out a kaiju stronger than it really is! It's dang pathetic! Kumonga take hits like ****. Goji threw a rock at him, and when he got hit he flew back and crashed on the ground back first. And his webbing is beyond overrated. That thing takes forever to load up badly upon a kaiju, and it takes forever to do anything serious. It was blasting for well over 15 seconds, and Goji was just starting to be covered, he was moving his arms and limbs fine, so it doesn't bind you up at all until a faaar later time, which she'll probably never get against a beam kaiju like Megalon. If you even look at it, Godzilla manages to break some of it with his arms! Kumonga will take forever to actually get Megalon enshrouded, way too long. He'll be able to move fine just as Goji did, and surely blast her with his beam

Charles RB

October 30th, 2004, 02:39 PM

Enough of making out a kaiju stronger than it really is!

Don't tell us that- tell that to the people who keep having Zilla stronger than he really is! ;)

MirrenDono

October 30th, 2004, 02:43 PM

XD

Hey hey! That lil fruitcake's got a lot of potential, people don't look past his cowardly attitude and see why he does have the beef to be a slightly good contender!

And I accentuate that 'slightly' usage! ^_~

DarkGojiLord

October 30th, 2004, 02:57 PM

:intears:....

Kumonga take hits like ****. Goji threw a rock at him, and when he got hit he flew back and crashed on the ground back first.
Gigan was hit by a smaller rock and it stopped him from using his beam. Megalon was hit by a tree and fell unconsious.

And his webbing is beyond overrated. That thing takes forever to load up badly upon a kaiju, and it takes forever to do anything serious.
It was blasting for well over 15 seconds, and Goji was just starting to be covered, he was moving his arms and limbs fine, so it doesn't bind you up at all until a faaar later time,
About 6 seconds bucko.

which she'll probably never get against a beam kaiju like Megalon. If you even look at it, Godzilla manages to break some of it with his arms! Kumonga will take forever to actually get Megalon enshrouded, way too long. He'll be able to move fine just as Goji did, and surely blast her with his beam
You obviously weren't paying attention to the move at all.

MirrenDono

October 30th, 2004, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by DarkGojiLord
Gigan was hit by a smaller rock and it stopped him from using his beam. Megalon was hit by a tree and fell unconsious.
I'd actually say they were the exact same size...

But nevertheless that's not the point. Gigan was not hurt but it though, well, he may've been, but he took it fine. Kumonga was obviously hurt, and fell backwards. By a smaller rock

And Megalon had also just gotten the tar beaten outta him physically, so he was wounded enough, that and he wasn't knocked unconscious. He still was still making noises I believe, and moving, and if were knocked unconscious, it would've been for about 15 seconds, if not even less.

About 6 seconds bucko.
Not even close. I timed the entire sequence where Kumonga uses his webbing, it's 27 seconds long. And the only thing even close to being completely covered is Goji's face. His upper-body region is not even half-covered, and he's moving his limbs fine

You obviously weren't paying attention to the move at all.
And why's that? Because I wasn't watching your version where Goji is wrapped up in two seconds because Kumonga's webbing is God-like?

*in case it isn't obvious, that comment was utter satire*

PyrasTerran

October 31st, 2004, 04:54 PM

Dude, Jet was high in the air, Megalon had to shoot it up into the air. That's freakin' distance. Height technically, but it's distance nevertheless. He was high up in the air, so when Megalon fired it, it got the needed time amount by flying at the enemy before exploded.

And yes distance has to do with time, it very much does. The more distance you have to throw a grenade for example, the more time it has to get ready to explode. It you take a litten firecracker and toss it at someone five feet from you, will it explode? Most surely not, now what if you somehow throw it when he's 70 feet away from you? Sure the size of the whick is important, but it proves my point on it far enough

You're not getting me. It took LESS time for the explosion to occur when Megalon shot it at air-borne JJ than it did for him to launch it next to Godzilla's head. There is a SIGNIFICANT time difference here, which you're not comprehending. Count the seconds it takes for Megalon to fire his napalm ball at airborne JJ and have it explode, and then compare that to the seconds it takes for Megalon to fire it at Godzilla, and have it thrown back to him by JJ.

It has nothing to do with distance because the time still isn't the same.

And his webbing is beyond overrated. That thing takes forever to load up badly upon a kaiju, and it takes forever to do anything serious. It was blasting for well over 15 seconds, and Goji was just starting to be covered, he was moving his arms and limbs fine, so it doesn't bind you up at all until a faaar later time, which she'll probably never get against a beam kaiju like Megalon. If you even look at it, Godzilla manages to break some of it with his arms! Kumonga will take forever to actually get Megalon enshrouded, way too long. He'll be able to move fine just as Goji did, and surely blast her with his beam

What is going to make Megalon, a much stupider kaiju, blast at Kumonga when Godzilla does not? He'll me just as confused, if not more confused, when he's sprayed.

And why's that? Because I wasn't watching your version where Goji is wrapped up in two seconds because Kumonga's webbing is God-like?

*in case it isn't obvious, that comment was utter satire*

Don't you mean sarcasm? :p

Gorjirus

November 1st, 2004, 12:09 PM

Not even close. I timed the entire sequence where Kumonga uses his webbing, it's 27 seconds long. And the only thing even close to being completely covered is Goji's face. His upper-body region is not even half-covered, and he's moving his limbs fine

In THAT movie. What about in Godzilla's Revenge? It only takes about 7-8 seconds to cover Godzilla. And that STILL counts.

MirrenDono

November 1st, 2004, 05:05 PM

Sorry Pyras, I'll reply to you when I have more time

Originally posted by Gorjirus
In THAT movie. What about in Godzilla's Revenge? It only takes about 7-8 seconds to cover Godzilla. And that STILL counts.
Wanna know what's funny? I counted the time from Godzilla's Revenge ;)

Oh, and what's this old quote?

That was from Godzilla's Revenge, but that is stock fotage from Son of Godzilla.
Hmm, interesting. Seems to me you were implying before that the footage in Godzilla's Revenge doesn't count since it's all from Son of Godzilla. Very interesting...

anguirus55

November 1st, 2004, 09:09 PM

Wow, I gotta get the SoG DVD next month...I don't even know where my copy is...

DarkGojiLord

November 1st, 2004, 09:25 PM

Wow, I gotta get the SoG DVD next month...I don't even know where my copy is...
I'll send you mine if you agree with me. :laugh:

Gorjirus

November 2nd, 2004, 03:40 PM

Wanna know what's funny? I counted the time from Godzilla's Revenge ;)
Then you must have counted wrong. It is at most 10 seconds.

Hmm, interesting. Seems to me you were implying before that the footage in Godzilla's Revenge doesn't count since it's all from Son of Godzilla. Very interesting...
Aha. "Seems to you". It is not my fault if you go implying things that aren't. I was just stating a fact. ;)

MirrenDono

November 3rd, 2004, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
You're not getting me. It took LESS time for the explosion to occur when Megalon shot it at air-borne JJ than it did for him to launch it next to Godzilla's head. There is a SIGNIFICANT time difference here, which you're not comprehending. Count the seconds it takes for Megalon to fire his napalm ball at airborne JJ and have it explode, and then compare that to the seconds it takes for Megalon to fire it at Godzilla, and have it thrown back to him by JJ.

It has nothing to do with distance because the time still isn't the same.
Dude, you're not replying to what I'm saying

If you have a timed weapon, and you fire it at someone close to you, it's not going to detonate

If you fire a timed weapon at someone further from you and it still hits them, it should explode

Yes it all depends on the time there is, but it's the point you're ignoring in your replies. If you'r farther away, you have more time for your weapon to explode, if you don't, it's not gonna explode on contact

Jet was farther up from Megalon, Godzilla was closer to Megalon. Exactly that

Originally posted by PyrasTerran
What is going to make Megalon, a much stupider kaiju, blast at Kumonga when Godzilla does not? He'll me just as confused, if not more confused, when he's sprayed.
If we look at it though, attacks that stay stationary and don't actually hurt Megalon that much cause him to run away, hide, and then blast his enemy. If he does this, Kumonga's screwed

He's shown to do it against the large military assault, and even when Goji blasts the ground around him with his beam after he escapes the ring of fire

I'll check the time though he stands up against the military force though

Don't you mean sarcasm? :p
No according to my dictionar it can also mean a form of sarcasm, though I'll check other dictionaries ^_~

Originally posted by Gorjirus
Then you must have counted wrong. It is at most 10 seconds.
No I think you did. I've re-watched it several times, and every trial I count over 25 seconds.

Unless the movie of Godzilla's Revenge they showed on T.V. is different...;)

Aha. "Seems to you". It is not my fault if you go implying things that aren't. I was just stating a fact. ;)
True, but you're statement fell-seems to imply that. You say exactly "But that's Stock footage from Son of Godzilla". This is exactly like my argument with Saruman on Barugon, you both have stated something that pretty much has no relavent whatsoever to the debate, and I know both of you are smart enough not to throw something utterly random out