Orga vs. Heisi King Ghidorah

[MirrenDono]

This is an idea I got from playing DAMM

-Battle takes place in Downtown Sendai
-The time is midnight
-The weather is cold with a strong wind
-Orga has his regeneration and is 55 meters tall
-Heisi Ghidorah is not under control by Furturians and is 61 meters tall

Have fun :p

[Gorjirus]

Hmm.. Well, since Ghidorah is under control, then he is a pure juggernaut. He would have killed Godzilla (IMO) if the controls hadn't been destroyed. I would have to say King Ghidorah.

[MirrenDono]

Heh...I said not under control ^_^;;

[Gorjirus]

^ Crap. I misread that. If that is the case, than Orga wins easy, as an uncontrolled King Ghidorah is one of the easiest kaiju to beat, IMO.

[Mecha-Rodan]

Even though it was UNCONTROLLED Ghidorah that nearly killed Godzilla? And before anybody says that his head will blast off or his skin is weak:

Ghidorah was barely effected by Godzilla's beam until the nuclear pulse was used while he was pretty much ATTACHED to Godzilla. You would be pretty damn weak too if that much power had just been blasted throughout your entire body. Before the NP, even Ghidorah's wings took little damage from Godzilla's beam.

[Gorjirus]

Actually I was talking about when Ghidorah was jumping up and down on Godzilla. That would have killed Godzilla. The uncontrolled one wouldn't have, because of the nuclear pulse. So, thus the Controlled one would have killed Godzilla, because we know that the Uncrontrolled couldn't.

[ghidorahsaurus]

This is an extremely tough fight. Good matchup MirrenDono. :thumbs:

I can envision scenarios where King Ghidorah wins (with a multitude of blasts) and scenarios where Orga wins (hey, that shoulder cannon seems custom built to blow off heads). My gut reaction is similar to everyone else's so far - King Ghidorah. However, do his lightning/gravity bolts deliver powerful enough blows to down Orga, and his regeneration, for good? Can Orga be defeated with (arguable) superior hand-to-hand? At the moment, my answer to both of these questions is, "Probably not." On the other side, Orga's shoulder cannon is very powerful. It may not initially damage King Ghidorah, his necks, or his wings, but it has the possibility of wearing him down. Neither combatant tries to avoid enemy fire, so whoever's beam inflicts the most permanent damage probably wins. Thus, if I had to choose, I would probably pick Orga. At this time, I am going to stick with abstain or tie.

Off Topic: As hinted at above, is it possible to kill a kaiju with hand-to-hand or "merely" physical blows? Yes, it is true Godzilla was in trouble against King Ghidorah while the Futurians were controlling him, but do you think Godzilla really would have died from King Ghidorah jumping up and down on him?

[PyrasTerran]

He would have died from King Ghidorah's constriction, that's for sure.

I'm leaning towards Orga.

[Gorjirus]

Do I? I think it was very possible. It would of most likely busted his ribs. Or it would of killed him some other way. The Furturians were going fo the kill.

And as another example, we know that GFW Hedorah is killed by being stabbed.

[ghidorahsaurus]

More off topic (but sort of related to the fight at hand):

Hmmm…maybe I overrate regeneration. The way I see it, even with broken ribs or damaged organs, a kaiju can recover. Unless a monster’s brain/spine is severed, the oxygen supply is cut off from a kaiju’s cells, or something else awful happens, he/she should be able to regenerate the damage and keep fighting. For example, look at the amount of damage Orga took from Godzilla’s radioactive breath near the end of the movie. Seconds later, he fully regenerated and was fighting once again (well, except for the shoulder cannon). With regeneration like that, unless you do something wicked bad like blow Orga up from the inside or possess an uber-powerful beam-type weapon, he is going to live through the damage. And if it is possible for Orga to survive powerful rays from Godzilla, what is a little physical fighting, kicking, or injury going to do?

Also, in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II, it did not seem Godzilla was dead. He was paralyzed (his lower body), due to his second brain being destroyed, but he was still moving and "hollering." In my opinion, which may be overrating Godzilla and/or regeneration, even if Fire Rodan had not transferred his energy to Godzilla, Godzilla would have been able to heal his second brain.

What does everyone else think? ;)

[MirrenDono]

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I think you're amazing...O_O

[Gojira89]

I think orga would win because of ghidorahsaurus's points.

[Draconic Phoenix Rodan]

More off topic (but sort of related to the fight at hand):

Hmmm…maybe I overrate regeneration. The way I see it, even with broken ribs or damaged organs, a kaiju can recover. Unless a monster’s brain/spine is severed, the oxygen supply is cut off from a kaiju’s cells, or something else awful happens, he/she should be able to regenerate the damage and keep fighting. For example, look at the amount of damage Orga took from Godzilla’s radioactive breath near the end of the movie. Seconds later, he fully regenerated and was fighting once again (well, except for the shoulder cannon). With regeneration like that, unless you do something wicked bad like blow Orga up from the inside or possess an uber-powerful beam-type weapon, he is going to live through the damage. And if it is possible for Orga to survive powerful rays from Godzilla, what is a little physical fighting, kicking, or injury going to do?

Also, in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II, it did not seem Godzilla was dead. He was paralyzed (his lower body), due to his second brain being destroyed, but he was still moving and "hollering." In my opinion, which may be overrating Godzilla and/or regeneration, even if Fire Rodan had not transferred his energy to Godzilla, Godzilla would have been able to heal his second brain.

What does everyone else think? ;)
Not that Regenerating his second brain would have done anything. Without the extra radiotion he wouldn't have been able to use the Spiral Ray thingie lol. Anyways I have to say Orga. I really don't see much in Ghidorah's arsenal that would be able to kill Orga. And wouldn't it be hilarious to see Ghidorah trying to Strangle Orga, only to see Orga extend his mouth (Like When he tried to swallow Godzilla) and see ghidorah's neck rip off lol

[PyrasTerran]

It's nice to just let other people make the points.. :)

[Omega17]

Gojirus, I see how you said that heisei King Ghidorah, when it wasn't controlled, is one of the easiest kaiju to beat. Thing is, is when he was jumping on Godzilla, the Futurians lost control on him. If you were being controlled, and brainwashed I guess you could say, do you think that when you came out of it, you would be totally awake, and know exactly what you were doing at that point of time? Of course not. That's why KG fell, and that gave Godzilla a chance to get up and start slamming him to the ground. Then he was constricting Godzilla, which would have killed him, if not for the Necular Pulse.

Oh, and Ghidorasaurus, you are right, when Mecagodzilla did make th esecond brain explode, Godizlla was still moaning baout for a bit, but when Rodan finally got to him, he was dead stil. I think that the shock to his body was so great, that he could have died from it.

Mmm, just my opinions. I don't know how this fight owuld work out though, I haven't seen Orga in a little while.

[ghidorahsaurus]

I think you're amazing...O_O
:blush: Aw, how sweet. :D

[ghidorahsaurus]

Here are some more regeneration thoughts. This does have to do with Orga, so hopefully no one will get upset or say it is off topic. :D

Godzilla vs. Biollante
Biollante impaled Godzilla’s hand with a vine. It went completely through Godzilla’s hand. Yet, moments later, his hand healed and was fully operational. Hence, Godzilla must have been able to regenerate the skin, muscle, ligament, and bone in his hand.

Near the end of the movie, Godzilla fires his atomic breath into Biollantes open maw, blowing the back of her head off. Similar to Godzilla’s hand, seconds later Biollante healed this damage. Being a mixture of Godzilla cells, rose cells, and a human spirit, we are not sure if Biollante possess any “bones” or a brain. Yet, the fact remains, Biollante survived her head exploding. Once in final form, Biollante was able to sustain and heal all damage dealt to her. That is, until Godzilla destroyed what appeared to be her energy source – her core.

Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
This is not a direct thought on regeneration, but to show how dang tough it is to actually kill a Toho kaiju. King Ghidorah suffered damage and a severed head. Yet, many years later, he was found in the ocean, barely alive. The water and cold temperature probably had a hand in preserving King Ghidorah, but he still lived through it.

Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II
As stated in a previous post, I do not believe MechaGodzilla killed Godzilla. MechaGodzilla paralyzed Godzilla’s lower half and had him reeling from paralyzer missiles, plasma blasts, and all the other weapons. Before Fire Rodan fell on Godzilla and transferred his energy, Godzilla was still moving his arms and screaming in pain. When Fire Rodan did cover him, Godzilla was motionless. This could very well be from the trauma of losing his second brain. He could have been knocked out and not dead. In my opinion, it is debatable if Godzilla could have recovered from this shock, healed his second brain, continued the fight with MechaGodzilla, and still won the battle without the increase in power from Fire Rodan. With my wild imagination, all he needed to do was reverse the flow of energy through the cables to once again short out MechaGodzilla for the win. However, the win here is not important. What is important is the possibility of Godzilla healing his second brain on his own. This seems entirely possible. It is possible huge influxes of energy do not widen the range of what can be healed. It is my theory it only speeds up the healing process.

Godzilla vs. Destroyah
While fighting the middle stage Destroyah, Godzilla Junior was pinned to the ground, impaled by Destroyah’s second head, and injected with micro-oxygen. If this had happened to any kaiju without regeneration, the result would have been death. Especially since Destroyah pumped Junior’s insides full of micro-oxygen, which would have eaten away at most any other monster’s organs. Since Junior could heal the damage, he not only dispatched of this stage of Destroyah, he also repaired the wounds.

A scene that goes against all of this regeneration hoopla is when Destroyah flew Junior into the air and dropped him. But was Godzilla Jr. really dead afterwards? When his dad inspected the body, it appeared as if Junior was still breathing. This may have been an optical illusion from the nearby lights flickering, making it look like Junior’s arms were slightly moving and his body was expanding and contracting while breathing. Anyways, if Godzilla Junior were truly dead, how was he able to consume the raw energy released when his father detonated? So, my thought is Junior was either knocked unconscious or almost willingly made himself unconscious in order to heal the massive damage to his body.

Later in the movie, adult Destroyah used the horn katana to rip through Godzilla. At this time, Godzilla was basically a super kaiju and healed the damage almost instantaneously. Again, if this had happened to a kaiju without regeneration, or without the extraordinary regeneration Burning Godzilla possessed, the kaiju would have been quivering dead.

Godzilla 2000
Summarizing what was posted before, Godzilla really put the hurtin’ on Orga, yet Orga was able to repair almost all of the damage. This movie displayed one of the first limitations to regeneration – Orga was not able to heal his shoulder cannon. Even so, this illustrates how hard it is to kill a kaiju with regeneration. Orga had pieces of tissue hanging off of him, could hardly stand up or walk forward, and had difficulty roaring. Seconds later, a spectator could not even tell Godzilla had done anything to Orga (with the exception of the missing shoulder cannon). If Godzilla did not perform the nuclear pulse inside Orga, blowing his entire top half into little bitty pieces, they may very well still be battling each other.

With this all said, I feel it is extremely hard to kill a kaiju with “battle-tested” regeneration. Unless the opponent is known for pressing his/her attack until there is nothing left, the kaiju with regeneration will live through most anything dished out. However, as illustrated above, regeneration does not prevent knockouts. This still must be kept in mind when deciding on Kaiju Karnage battles.

Alright, time to get completely back on topic. :p I would need to re-watch King Ghidorah’s movie to see how powerful his electric blasts are, but from memory they do not seem strong enough to down Orga. Not that his bolts are weak, but I doubt if they can inflict more damage than Godzilla 2000’s powerful radioactive breath. King Ghidorah’s best chance would be to trip up Orga and pound him into the ground as he did to Godzilla. Orga, on the other hand, may be able to defeat King Ghidorah with enough concussive cannon blasts. Still a tough choice, but I am leaning towards Orga.

[Gorjirus]

But the thing about the constriction, is that HE DOES have the pulse. SO thus, the constriction is nullified.

However, those are some excellent points.

[anguirus55]

I think that Ghidorajh will fly around generally abusing Orga for awhile, but eventually between the beam, Orga's leaping, and generally dangerous jaws and arms Ghidorah will rack up damage and be defeated.