Now what do YOU think about G:FW? Beware of SPOILERS!

[Gojira89]

Congrates, I'm happy for you, you must be excited!! Could you tell me if the Shobojin sing Mothra's song in the movie, and if Fire Mothra is in the movie....I'd be very grateful.....But I thought Fire Mothra was already released as a character...

[Zigra]

Please tell me that in this film Goji is an ultimate badass, and that when he goes down in the end, he doesn't go down easy!

SPOILERS







Dude, where have you been for the past few months? Godzilla isn't going to die. Kpa confirmed that the Chinese news report that claimed Godzilla would die in FW was wrong. Not only that, but Eric Von Zipper, an individual who has been dead on the mark on all the information he's given so far, already told us the ending. Godzilla does NOT die.

[Mecha74]

SPOILERS







Dude, where have you been for the past few months? Godzilla isn't going to die. Kpa confirmed that the Chinese news report that claimed Godzilla would die in FW was wrong. Not only that, but Eric Von Zipper, an individual who has been dead on the mark on all the information he's given so far, already told us the ending. Godzilla does NOT die.
Uh actually I only joined this forum about a month ago, and only recently started going through the GFW section. I knew very little about the film before that. Anyway I'll take your word and kpa's for it then. The truth is I've still heard alot of debating and arguing over different aspects of the plot including the ending from all kinds of sources, I just wasn't sure who to believe, but I did think Goji kicking it was a done deal. I'm very glad I was wrong. And thanks for the heads up.

[EternalMothra]

But I thought Fire Mothra was already released as a character...
I'm not sure yet, from what I have heard, this may be only one of Mothra's attacks in the movie.

[Zigra]

Uh actually I only joined this forum about a month ago, and only recently started going through the GFW section. I knew very little about the film before that. Anyway I'll take your word and kpa's for it then. The truth is I've still heard alot of debating and arguing over different aspects of the plot including the ending from all kinds of sources, I just wasn't sure who to believe, but I did think Goji kicking it was a done deal. I'm very glad I was wrong. And thanks for the heads up.




Yeah, and I'm sorry if I sounded a bit rude there. It's just that after having to deal with people who blindly and fanatically believed that news report (even to the point of flaming others like myself who said "let's just wait and see"), that I do get annoyed at how some people still cling to the report even after it has long-since been debunked.

[Mecha74]

Yeah, and I'm sorry if I sounded a bit rude there. It's just that after having to deal with people who blindly and fanatically believed that news report (even to the point of flaming others like myself who said "let's just wait and see"), that I do get annoyed at how some people still cling to the report even after it has long-since been debunked.
Oh it's okay, no apology needed. I guess that's what I get for jumping on the GFW news bandwagon a little late.:blush:

[Gojira89]

I'm not sure yet, from what I have heard, this may be only one of Mothra's attacks in the movie.
Oh OK, or maybe Godzilla burns her but that would be bad. :(

[Solar_Behemoth]

while I sit in a dark room for the next 8 months waiting a get a bootleg DVD of GFW.

Well, I wouldn't worry about that!
I see a VERY good chance that GFW will get in theaters (just like G2000) from late December to early February. ;)

[Gojira89]

Well, I wouldn't worry about that!
I see a VERY good chance that GFW will get in theaters (just like G2000) from late December to early February. ;)
In the US. that would be awesome.

[RexRaptor]

My dear fellow G-Fans, I have won free tickets to see GFW in Hollywood (I nearly had a heart attack when I found out). And I know that if I didn't, I'd want to have someone who did anwser a few questions about the movie for me; the plot, how a kaiju dies, how much action it has, is the music good, things like that. So, because I'm just such a nice person:D, I'd be willing to anwser any questions you may have about the movie, given you don't get the anwser before hand. So, if you want, you may list your questions (please keep them as short and simple as possiable), then I'll write them, see GFW to the best I can anwser them. When I get back, I'll post all the questions that I could anwser with their anwsers....EVIL!!! EVIL!!!I can fit in Luggage...<_<..mind carrieing me along...>_>..Pwease?* Gets big Anime Eyes *

[Cookson]

Is Minya as stupid as he looks?

Does he talk/communicate in the place and for the sake of the humans?
Am pretty sure they arnt having him talk. Minya obviously has some sort of big part in the movie(maybe turning into a full grown Godzilla... hmmm).

[Excelsior]

If I'm understanding correctly, it sounds like the movie has a flashy directing style that younger viewers will like, but not necessarily everyone else will.

Sounds like the movie still has its rough patches, but since it's still in post-production that's not a real concern. And I'm sure that the FX will be straightened out by the time the movie's released.

[Gojira2000]

Thanks a lot Eric Von Zipper! Your English is doing much better!

So, from what your friends say, as far as I can make out, is that the movie is like a tipical American action film, with with lots of senceless fighting and no acting. I still have hopes that it will be a good film... a good G-film. But, it seems that Toho and Kitamura (director) focuesed to much on international releases and getting lots of non-G-Fans to see the movie that it'll turn out to be an American film 'staring' the Japanese Godzilla. Nontheless, I'll remain open minded till I see the film. Then we will know.

[Kaiju_Sensai]

Only ten days from today for you lucky jerks that got free tickets. Hell even if I got a free ticket I wouldn't be able to go. I try not to listen to what other people say about movies because alot of the films I like, most others don't.

[MechaV]

Is Kaiser Ghidorah going to be in the movie?
Isn't that one just a wee bit obvious? :sly:

[darthzilla99]

Only ten days from today for you lucky jerks that got free tickets. Hell even if I got a free ticket I wouldn't be able to go. I try not to listen to what other people say about movies because alot of the films I like, most others don't.I know how you feel. My favorite godzilla movie so far is godzilla vs. spacegodzilla, Though if gfw has enough action, it might take its place.
I just hope gfw is not r-rated.

[MouthForWar]

You and me both, or I'm not going.

Oh, who cares? I'll go no matter what the rating is. Its the new Godzilla movie. So what if its not 100% politically correct? Godzilla movies have never been politically correct anyway.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Man, time really flies by! I can't believe people are already seeing this finished film!
It seemed like yesterday when news came out that the new Godzilla film will feature over ten monsters and speculation erupted everywhere!

I wish the film wasn't made so quickly, because there will be some flaws in the SFX just as there were in Tokyo SOS. I'm expecting this film to come out on the top 5 Godzilla films (my list), but this could have been easily the best if more time and money (god damn Toho lying about the budget) was put into the production.

[Baran-no-goji]

^ from what I understand Minilla lives. But I'll look anyway.
Really? Mustve been one of those rumors. But I couldve sworn multiple sources saying Minilla gets killed and that what causes G to go crazy, but I guess since the Gohten will free him to put an end to the kaiju rules out that wonderful thought of seeing Minilla hit the ground and NEVER get up. BTW, the chance of this getting distribution here is pretty solid. It's being premered and THE movie theater in THE movie capitol of the world. Why does being a G-fan feel so good????

[Godzilla40000]

Ow, thats tough! sorry to here that. hope that GFW comes to US theater.:bored:

[Baran-no-goji]

Fine example of how everything is going smoothly, your dream is coming true and them BAM!!. That really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really sucks so much ****. It's like getting a billion dollars then just ending up with one penny. I am so sorry.

[Zigra]

Sorry to hear the bad news, G2OOO. I really don't know what else to say:(


Really? Mustve been one of those rumors. But I couldve sworn multiple sources saying Minilla gets killed and that what causes G to go crazy


The report that said that was debunked awhile ago (it was the same report that claimed Godzilla would be killed in Shanghai). Godzilla doesn't need to "go crazy" in GFW, as he is suppose to already be like the Heisei Godzilla in terms of personality.

[Kiryu goji]

The reviews on MZ said that If you like the showa series, you'll like GFW. I'm not worried. (I love the showa series)

[Excelsior]

I don't know. From the sounds of those reviews, there's not a lot to love. They all, even the ones that are positive reviews, mention bad FX, choppy editing, and simplistic plots. Generally everything a Godzilla movie, especially the 50th anniversary one, shouldn't be.

[MechaV]

I dunno, sounds like they made an awesome homage to the Showa era.

[Showa Godzilla]

Sounds like a good homage to the Showa era,and everyone knows how much I like the Showa Era.Some people said it was bad,but I still think it sounds great.

[James Ballard]

Sounds more like they made a total parody of the Showa era. Personally speaking, I don't think taking the piss out of the genre was an appropriate thing to do for the 50th anniversary.

[Project Pimp]

Sounds more like they made a total parody of the Showa era. Personally speaking, I don't think taking the piss out of the genre was an appropriate thing to do for the 50th anniversary.

What I can't fathom is how someone can watch Versus or Azumi and expect anything different than what we've heard from these reviews.

If this film was a total parody, it would have intentionally bad effects, visible wires, etc. This is not Team America: World Police, it is merely an intense action film by Kitamura, peppered with his trademark humor.

Were you people really expecting some dead serious flick involving aliens controlling monsters? Instead of another lifeless monster romp, Kitamura delivered a film that can be beloved for generations as a cult classic.

[Baran-no-goji]

Minilla drives a car? Kitamura you dumbass!!

[PyrasTerran]

It seems to me that people either loved it, hated it, or thought it wasn't worthy of 50th anniversary. One group of people say that the audience laughed at unintentional moments, another group says that all the laughs were intentional. Naturally, more people hated Minya than loved him, but the fact that people actually did love how he was portrayed means the first-considered unanimous hatred isn't the case. Some people say it's the best SFX of any kaiju movie, others say it's terrible.

I'm afraid that these reviews can't be relied on for anything but a few tidbits.. and we'd be better off just watching the film for ourselves.

[Godzilla40000]

Interasting, GFW seems to be a prety good movie. Cant wait to see it.:)

[Zigra]

I'm afraid that these reviews can't be relied on for anything but a few tidbits.. and we'd be better off just watching the film for ourselves.


The problem is that even the good reviews revealed things that sound unspeakably bad (Minya driving a car? WTF?! ). The person who gave the best review that I've seen so far also liked films like "Godzilla vs. Megalon" and "Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster". The fact that he seemed to compare GFW to those films is beyond worrisome.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Ick...I'd rather have GINO get more screentime then see Minya drive a car...

[Super Angillas]

This strikes me as a movie you either love or hate. On one hand if you want something that is art like the origenal Godzilla, then you'll hate it. If you want an epic with deep feeling like Lord Of the Rings you'll hate. If you like movies that have non stop Lunacy and keep giving you the feeling that you just saw the most crazy awsome thing ever, like say Wild Zero or Ricky Oh, Then you'll love it.

Minya driving a car... Don't mock him! He'll run you over!

[Project Pimp]

Minilla drives a car? Kitamura you dumbass!!

He TRIES to drive a car. God, you people take things the wrong way.

[Tomzilla]

It seems to me that people either loved it, hated it, or thought it wasn't worthy of 50th anniversary. One group of people say that the audience laughed at unintentional moments, another group says that all the laughs were intentional. Naturally, more people hated Minya than loved him, but the fact that people actually did love how he was portrayed means the first-considered unanimous hatred isn't the case. Some people say it's the best SFX of any kaiju movie, others say it's terrible.

I'm afraid that these reviews can't be relied on for anything but a few tidbits.. and we'd be better off just watching the film for ourselves.

I agree.

I just consider these reviews nothing but tidbits. Just things to tell me what to expect. Normally, reading spoilers would kill the hype, but for me it just feeds the fire of my urge to see this movie even more. I can't argue with anyone at the moment or disagree with their final verdict, since I haven't viewed the movie. Until then, I'll not try to ruin any hopes other people have. And even after seeing the movie, I won't go out of my way to try and convince people if it is good or bad. You'd think of all the fandoms out there, our fans would have the brains to realize we all have different tastes and cannot be impressed by every new movie.

To me, seems like people have forgotten that these films are for everyone, not just them. How you like it may not be what other people think. These new films may be directed towards a different audience in mind. Relax, someday, the movie you envision will become a reality. Toho claims this will be the last Godzilla film, but for such an icon that has been in the entertainment world for 50-years cannot die. It won't, even if this movie flops. It'll just take time to nurse its wounds, let the franchise rest for a decade....then another resurrection will be made.

Cheer up, if you want a more serious film, that's what the old films are for.

[Gojira2000]

It seems must poeple liked it for what it was... but many didn't for the same reasons. Not only is this like a 21st centery version of the 70's Showa G-films, but it seems as if it will cary its tradition as well, namely: love it or hate it. That seems to be what's going here. I must say, the reviews have giving me some hope, but other have confermed my worest fares. Nontheless, I am more excited then ever to see this film and will kill to do so.... okay, maybe not... But I do need to see this movie! I have a feeling I''l like or love in a different way then I do most G-films, as this doesn't like most g-films. Some how, I think it may end up on my top five G-films list, though it just as well end up on my top five hated kaiju flicks list. Just as long as they don't use the "f" word, I don't care how carpy the SFX are, how bad the acting is, or how silly the overall film turns out. It's a Godzilla movie, and I am therefore driven by years of G-Fan instinct of WANTING, NEEDING, and DIEING, to see the film.

So, according to many reviews, GMK and GMMG still hold the gold cup of best SFX in the G series. I must say I'm disapointed by the reviews as far as the musical score goes.

[Godzilla40000]

I'v gone to MZ and read their reviews. I will still go and see the movie, but what i'v read, its not the movie it should have been. Hopefully GFW will turn out good.:)

[Excelsior]

To me, seems like people have forgotten that these films are for everyone, not just them. How you like it may not be what other people think. These new films may be directed towards a different audience in mind. Relax, someday, the movie you envision will become a reality.

I highly doubt it.

Toho claims this will be the last Godzilla film, but for such an icon that has been in the entertainment world for 50-years cannot die. It won't, even if this movie flops. It'll just take time to nurse its wounds, let the franchise rest for a decade....then another resurrection will be made.

That's what I thought was the plan all along - that they'd rest the G series for five to ten years, then start fresh.

[Megabyte]

...You'd think of all the fandoms out there, our fans would have the brains to realize we all have different tastes and cannot be impressed by every new movie.

To me, seems like people have forgotten that these films are for everyone, not just them. How you like it may not be what other people think. These new films may be directed towards a different audience in mind. Relax, someday, the movie you envision will become a reality. Toho claims this will be the last Godzilla film, but for such an icon that has been in the entertainment world for 50-years cannot die. It won't, even if this movie flops. It'll just take time to nurse its wounds, let the franchise rest for a decade....then another resurrection will be made.

Cheer up, if you want a more serious film, that's what the old films are for.
Thank you! Whereas I truly love this film, I won't give it an oscar for best film or best screenplay. The movie was made to be more of a crowd (and fan) pleaser than a critically aclaimmed film. And for those fans who can't see past that, then many G-fans are going to have to endure you nitpicking and poo-poo-ing this film until the series is once again restarted. I hate to be brutal but it looks like its going to look that way, THIS film WILL cause A LOT of controversey in the near future...

[Tomzilla]

Overenthusiastic Pirate-


I highly doubt it.

You know, this basically is the immediate opinion a good chunk the fandom goes through when a new movie is in the making. Doubt. They doubt it'll be good and enjoyable. They doubt it'll live up to their expectations and that doubt grows.

I don't exactly know your opinion on this movie, to be honest, since I haven't read it. But if your words came from someone who bashes a movie before ever seeing it and takes everyone's opinions as their own, well...why do these people bother to insult a new film anyways? You doubt you'll ever get a movie you want, in yet bash new movies for not being exactly what you expected. I find this laughable.

But once again, I don't know about your outlook.

That's what I thought was the plan all along - that they'd rest the G series for five to ten years, then start fresh.

I actually prefer this method.

[NinjaBat]

"..and did I mention that Minilla drives a car? Seriously. And he wears a seatbelt. It’s gloriously batshit, and I loved it all."

I dont think the word "try" cuts it here.

[PyrasTerran]

The problem is that even the good reviews revealed things that sound unspeakably bad (Minya driving a car? WTF?! ). The person who gave the best review that I've seen so far also liked films like "Godzilla vs. Megalon" and "Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster". The fact that he seemed to compare GFW to those films is beyond worrisome.

As it's been said, he attempts to drive a car. Even if the review doesn't use the word try or attempt, I don't think anyone should honestly believe Minya has the skills to drive. That might actually be funny to watch. He didn't compare the film to Godzilla vs. Megalon and Godzilla vs. Ebirah, he says that he's the kind of guy that liked those films. You cannot tell me that Final Wars will be every bit as dragging and boring as GvMegalon, you just can't.. There is so much stuff packed in this film for there to be a boring moment.

[PyrasTerran]

Here here.. melodrama and serious situations work well for Gamera, but Godzilla isn't loved by the masses for that kinda crap.

*high five Project Pimp*

[EternalMothra]

Boy they don't have many spoilers do they, I'm an impatient person, but in this case I'll wait. The movie doesn't sound that bad to me, I can't wait to see it!!!

[NinjaBat]

Well, hey, no one said minya had to have skills to hop in that sucker and take it downtown. >=P

And since he fits into the car, does this mean he has those odd growing abilities from goji's revenge?

[PyrasTerran]

Yes, Minya can shrink and grow, or start out small and grow at the end. One of the two.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Oh man, I really want to see this film!
I am praying for a U.S. release like G2000. I've been dreaming of that since this film was announced back in March.

For a change I'm actually interested in the non-kaiju characters for this film, I'm really interested in the Xian leader, Don Frye's character, the main mutant soldier, as well as the sexy biologist. It sounds like the destruction scenes are going to be real haighlights in the film, and the fighting scenes between Xians and humans (like the motorcycle battle! ) sound incredible. As for the complaints on some of the battles being too short, here is a bit of trivia: the final battle between Godzilla and Evolved Biollante is very popular, and it only lasted 4 minutes! I'm sick of hearing that ****. and it sounds like Mothra Adult will be getting more screentime then she did in SOS- as people fail to realize she wasn't in the film for a long time.

The people who are going to hate this film are simply the ones that wanted to have this movie their way. Besides the original, all the Godzilla movies are made to be fun action films and not completely serious.

This is old school Godzilla.
God Bless Kitamura.

[PyrasTerran]

Actually, GMK wasn't meant to be a fun action film. That was the kinda movie some fans were hoping for.

[Project Pimp]

Yes, Minya can shrink and grow, or start out small and grow at the end. One of the two.

You ain't serious, are you man? He just starts out small and is bigger by the time the last battle happens. Weeks coulda gone by with the aliens bein' friendly.

This movie ain't THAT much of a comedy.

Unless you know something I don't, heh.

[Solar_Behemoth]

Generally everything a Godzilla movie, especially the 50th anniversary one, shouldn't be.

So basically every Godzilla movie after the original should not of have been like it was made? Not too many Godzilla films DON'T have simplistic plots, why? Because they are meant to be fun action films. Bad SFX? Look at the budget, were you expecting a Lord of the Rings SFX? It almost sounds like there is nothing to be excited about because there is some minor flaws in the film. :dontgetit

[PyrasTerran]

I don't, I'm just guessing. Your idea could be just as right either way. Perhaps someone who has seen the movie can tell us exactly HOW he goes about sizing?

[Project Pimp]

Here here.. melodrama and serious situations work well for Gamera, but Godzilla isn't loved by the masses for that kinda crap.

*high five Project Pimp*

And it's one of those high fives where you jump!

*jumps and high fives*

I'm anxiously waiting for a couple people to get back so I can hear their opinions in particular. Just out of curiosity, as I feel I've already gotten the jist of the movie.

[Kaiju_Sensai]

From Yahoo! News

"A number of Hollywood studios are in talks to secure North American distribution rights for the latest film, said Shozo Watanabe, general manager of Toho's Los Angeles office."

Just to let us unfortunate ones know.

[PyrasTerran]

A number of Hollywood studios? Rock on.

[Project Pimp]

I don't, I'm just guessing. Your idea could be just as right either way. Perhaps someone who has seen the movie can tell us exactly HOW he goes about sizing?

KPA says it happens off-screen.

I have to say, I'm all for crazy stuff -- can you believe I was WISHING for the Pimp's hat to fly off with a cartoony sound effect? lmao! -- but Minilla changing size at will woulda even made me a little bit wary.

[Jet Jaguar]

Yeah...only sophisticated Robot Superheros can do THAT!! :D

[Project Pimp]

Okay, something about this movie has finally suceeded in pissing me off.

[Solar_Behemoth]

From Yahoo! News

"A number of Hollywood studios are in talks to secure North American distribution rights for the latest film, said Shozo Watanabe, general manager of Toho's Los Angeles office."

Just to let us unfortunate ones know.

Oh this is good!
Will my dream come true?

[Zigra]

He TRIES to drive a car. God, you people take things the wrong way.

Oh, excuse me. Having Minya TRYING to drive a car is so much better. Yeah:nonono2:

But, there is one thing about this movie that both people who liked and hated it agree on: this movie is more proof that CGI is not everything. Apparently, many of the suitamation and model effects are downright awsome, while the CGI scenes, again, look like a poorly done video game. I guess Toho just can't stick to doing what they do best.

[Project Pimp]

Doesn't matter. Funny or stupid, it's unimportant next to the fact that Minilla ridiculously grows to huge size near instantaneously.

Uh, maybe it'll be okay, if we think of this as something to do with G-cells and super fast regeneration... heh.

I'm even more steamed at the fact that they'd have something like that in the film... but NOT have the tigger bounce!! That's something I really wanted to see. Hopefully it'll be on a DVD release in some form... if it ever existed that is.

[PyrasTerran]

But, there is one thing about this movie that both people who liked and hated it agree on: this movie is more proof that CGI is not everything. Apparently, many of the suitamation and model effects are downright awsome, while the CGI scenes, again, look like a poorly done video game. I guess Toho just can't stick to doing what they do best.

Actually, some people said the CGI are the best of any kaiju movie so far, and that Zilla looks better in FW than he did in G'98.

Gotta take the good with the bad.

[MechaV]

In all honesty I think Toho may have done the bad CGI just to make their models look good by comparison.

God bless 'em.

[PyrasTerran]

Well, you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone is defeated by Godzilla except for Manda, who is defeated by the Atragon. Mothra assists in defeating Gigan, but Godzilla delivers the final blow.

[Cookson]

Well, you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone is defeated by Godzilla except for Manda, who is defeated by the Atragon. Mothra assists in defeating Gigan, but Godzilla delivers the final blow.
Who kills Mothra?

[Aragorn_Strider22]

I'm guessing either Gigan, or Godzilla.

[PyrasTerran]

Or Monster X or Kaiser. I'm leaning towards it being Mothra pwning Gigan, and Godzilla finishing him off, but MX defeating Mothra.

[MechaV]

Mothra taking a dive at Kaiser but getting nuked out the air.

[Cookson]

Mothra taking a dive at Kaiser but getting nuked out the air.
So Ghidorah kills Mothra?

[PyrasTerran]

I think he just said that as an example of what might happen.

[EternalMothra]

Poor bug.....well at least she lasts through a good part of the movie........

[PyrasTerran]

Actually, she's only in the film for aboot 10 minutes, I heard.. Which isn't necesarily bad, because she only comes in to defeat Gigan.

[Mecha74]

Whatever flaws the film may have I am still completely pumped for the kaiju battles, especially the finale between G and Monster X/Kaiser Ghidorah!

By the way, did anyone bother reading the comments posted at the bottom of either of the Moriarty review pages by users on that site? Christ! Talk about hatred!:crazy: I've had my share of hateful comments thrown at me over being a fan of this genre, but I have never read anything like that before in my life.:(
All they needed were torches and a castle to storm, that was simply ridiculous.

[Zigra]

Well, Mr. Knopf's review makes me a little more hopeful. Still, I have a feeling that I'll be burying my face in my hands everytime Minya appears on the screen. I sorta wish he really DID die in the movie.

[Solar_Behemoth]

What is with all these comments on reviews mentioning alot of bad CGI mentioned in them about GFW?
I'd really like to see these comments, because, I don't think they exist.

All I heard was the CGI was excellent, with a little minor flaws.
Jeez! :confused:

[Burkion]

Minya, the thorn in EVERYONE'S side, and that little ****-skeleton in the closet. Not too mention the elephant in the cornor...

[Solar_Behemoth]

SPOLIERS IN THIS CONTENT



Two of KG's heads get ripped off by Godzilla who then judo flips him a few times a la Godzilla vs. Gigan and then stomps on the remaining neck, until KG is lifeless (like in DAM). Then he throws the body upwards and blasts it away from his atomic breath until it reaches towards the straosphere and is vaporized

That sounds awesome!
I think we have a new KK champion in our hands... this Godzilla is freakin strong!
And really intelligent!

[Gorjirus]

^The reviews metioning bad CGI are on monsterzero.us.

Me, I just want to see what it looks like when Gigan's head gets blown off. I don't like that fact that it is Gigan, who is one of my favorites, but to see a kaiju's head blown off, that would be awesome...

[RyougaSaotome]

It's tipped in favor of positive reviews, as far as I've read. Everyone who liked it, LOVED it. And people who didn't, HATED it. Sounds like an awesome way to end the series in my opinion

[Figment]

I must see Final Wars, I will see Final Wars, I will be determined to see Final Wars, Final Wars will be mine.-(Paraphrasing the flash cartoon "Hey, Who Took My Pie.")

[PyrasTerran]

Another positive review.. I'm getting anxious.

[Angiru-San]

After what Ive read today of this movie...I cannot wait. I have not anticipated something this much in a very...very long time. This will be magnificent!


Does anyone know if the film is getting a nationwide Release, or is it only being released in certain areas????

If you know ANYTHING about the above, please post it. :)

[Solar_Behemoth]

Another positive review.. I'm getting anxious.

You telling me?
I can't leave this computer until I read more spoilers! I'm glued to it!
So.... anxious.... must.... see GFW. :(

[Solar_Behemoth]

Does anyone know if the film is getting a nationwide Release, or is it only being released in certain areas????

If you know ANYTHING about the above, please post it. :)

From Yahoo! News:

"A number of Hollywood studios are in talks to secure North American distribution rights for the latest film, said Shozo Watanabe, general manager of Toho's Los Angeles office."

This is a very good sign that this film will get a statewide release, IMO.

[UltraGojira]

From Yahoo! News:

"A number of Hollywood studios are in talks to secure North American distribution rights for the latest film, said Shozo Watanabe, general manager of Toho's Los Angeles office."

This is a very good sign that this film will get a statewide release, IMO.

Yes, but Sony's going to be the one to release it!

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

Everything sounds awesome it really sounds like it's going to be a total blowaway experience loaded with action and excitement! I can't wait til they get it released over here and with the story from Yahoo news saying that not just Sony but a number of studios are in talks to get distributing rights that's defintely a good sign and the kind of respect for Godzilla I've hoped to see. This movie defintely looks to have a definitive either you love it or hate it feel about it and from what I've heard I'm going to love it. Sure the effects might not be perfect in everything but it's going to be a FUN film and that's what got most people into Godzilla in the first place.They fit all this in under a year too, that's saying something if they can deliver so much while being so limited. Maybe if they had scrapped Tokyo SOS and used that money and time it could've been better but either way it sure looks like I'm going to enjoy it and ending the series with something as fun and action-packed as Final Wars is the best way to go out. It's like the end of Terror of Mechagodzilla, ending on a positive note.

[Kiryu goji]

If I've got one problem from what I've heard, Its hedorah.
Hes on screen for a grand total of 10 seconds.
10 SECONDS! E GAWD! He's even got a less significan role than GINO, and that's saying a lot!

I'm not worried about minya. He tries to drive, that's actually kinda cute. I like the concept.

WARNING! I DISCUSS SPOILER IN THESE NEXT 4 LINES!

The battle with Kaiser sounds incredible, Godzilla finally gets the upper hand on an age old nemesis, and with bite! Dang! He ripped out two heads, radical! That's double his lifetime record! COOL! It also shows he's one of the more intelligent godzillas.

OK, SPOILER TALK OVER YOU CAN LOOK NOW!


I've said this before, the fact that 15 kaiju appear in it makes me wana see it. I wanted to see destroy all monsters for an almost identical reason, quantity. I finally get a glimspe of the awesome variety of kaiju!

[Baran-no-goji]

Jaws salivating...You lucky lucky bast####!!! who saw this film. I cant complain til I actually see it (does make me cringe hearing everything about Minilla) but I'm relieved this isn't a blood soaked Kitamura film, but an energetic G film in style to the 70s! hooray! Tri-Star book this film NOW!!

[Baran-no-goji]

This strikes me as a movie you either love or hate. On one hand if you want something that is art like the origenal Godzilla, then you'll hate it. If you want an epic with deep feeling like Lord Of the Rings you'll hate. If you like movies that have non stop Lunacy and keep giving you the feeling that you just saw the most crazy awsome thing ever, like say Wild Zero or Ricky Oh, Then you'll love it.

Minya driving a car... Don't mock him! He'll run you over!
I own both those movies! Love 'em. If GFW is as crazy as those films then sign me up! I just want to know HOW and what conditions made Minilla drive that car\truck.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

All these good reviews lead me to believe that I was wrong in my early judgements of this film. It seems that this movie might even be enjoyable to watch. I can't wait to see it.

[DarkGojiLord]

Kumonga is throw like a gajillion miles away by Godzilla

KUMONGA DOESN"T DIE!!!!!!!

[Excelsior]

So basically every Godzilla movie after the original should not of have been like it was made? Not too many Godzilla films DON'T have simplistic plots, why? Because they are meant to be fun action films. Bad SFX? Look at the budget, were you expecting a Lord of the Rings SFX? It almost sounds like there is nothing to be excited about because there is some minor flaws in the film. :dontgetit

Whoa... difficult to talk... too many words crammed into my mouth...

It's my opinion that the fiftieth anniversary movie (which also happens to mark a hibernation period of 5 to ten years) should be done in a more serious vein, ala Destroyah or GMK. Failing that, I have no problem with a fun monster mash. But the bottom line for either method must be a good story, and the story seems to be the area that got the shortest end of the stick here. That's not a minor flaw, it's a major one. Without a story to back up the action, you might as well just play STE.

[Excelsior]

What is with all these comments on reviews mentioning alot of bad CGI mentioned in them about GFW?
I'd really like to see these comments, because, I don't think they exist.

All I heard was the CGI was excellent, with a little minor flaws.
Jeez! :confused:

http://www.monsterzero.us/editorials/editorials.php?catID=Nws&subCatID=15&contentID=624

From titanoman2
There were definately some bad spfx throughout the whole film. Manda looked totally awesome as an anamatronic at first, but when he was done with CGI it looked absolutely aweful. Kumonga was a good marionette, but his webbing, as Greg pointed out, looked like a thick yellow string and somehow managed to turn into a large net. Kaiser Ghidorah was done very poorly. It was a good concept, and he had some interesting powers. He was clearly meant to be a super oponent for Godzilla, but the suit was ridiculous. It looked like it was put together with duct tape and a golden tarp. Pretty bad for the final ultimate monster for Godzilla to face. And of course there were plenty of things in the film that were unintentionally funny and got some laughs from the crowd.

From BlackLabelSociety
The FX are bad and the score is horrendous.

From planetxman
For instance Manda looked killer onscreen. UNTIL the CGI Manda looked Nintendo BAD. The overall SPFX looked rushed. Most of the time a Monster was hit by a missile, the explosions look absolutely cartoonish. Rodan had some cool scenes, but the CGI'd Rodan looked really fake, rushed CGI.


I'm happy some more positive reviews are coming in. As long as the film makes money, it's all good. The more they bring in, the sooner G may make his comeback.

[Cookson]

I just found out that after Gigan blows up Mothra......That Gigan chops off his own head with a boomerang thingy. LOL

[PyrasTerran]

It's my opinion that the fiftieth anniversary movie (which also happens to mark a hibernation period of 5 to ten years) should be done in a more serious vein, ala Destroyah or GMK. Failing that, I have no problem with a fun monster mash. But the bottom line for either method must be a good story, and the story seems to be the area that got the shortest end of the stick here. That's not a minor flaw, it's a major one. Without a story to back up the action, you might as well just play STE.

Er, where's this evidence that there's no plot? Of course there's a story, it may not be an intricate one like Gamera 3, but neither was the one for Godzilla vs. Destroyah. The only difference here is that the humans are actually fighting back with something other than a few tanks and one super weapon.

The way it seems, it's that people are saying there is no story, when that is a blatant lie. It can't be a movie without a story, and in fact, there are no monster battles until an hour into the movie, so there HAS to be a story tying everything together. But just because the story isn't filled with subplots and twists we can't predict doesn't mean it's a bad story.

I just found out that after Gigan blows up Mothra......That Gigan chops off his own head with a boomerang thingy. LOL

Actually, I read that Mothra blows up Gigan's remains right after GIgan's decapitated again.

[PyrasTerran]

"The last thing I'll say is that me and my friends saw two films last weekend and we all agreed that The Incredibles was a much better movie than Godzilla Final Wars."

I was going to keenly respect Mr. Jean C.'s opinion, until I saw this.

What.. the hell.

I lent a friend the movie Spirited Away, saying it was a pretty good movie. She brought it back to me after watching it and said "I like Shrek more."

Why in the seven layers of hell is this guy even CONSIDERING comparing a PIXAR film to a GODZILLA movie? OF COURSE The Incredibles is better than Final Wars, I can say that right now before even seeing Final Wars that overall the Incredibles is a better film. But WHY should that be considered when watching a Godzilla movie?? He might as well not even be a fan if he's going to be comparing steel to gold instead of steel to steel. We don't see Godzilla movies for their messages and cinematic triumphs, and these people are fooling themselves if they think that's what Godzilla is about in this day and age.

Seriously..

[Cookson]

I was going to keenly respect Mr. Jean C.'s opinion, until I saw this.

What.. the hell.

I lent a friend the movie Spirited Away, saying it was a pretty good movie. She brought it back to me after watching it and said "I like Shrek more."

Why in the seven layers of hell is this guy even CONSIDERING comparing a PIXAR film to a GODZILLA movie? OF COURSE The Incredibles is better than Final Wars, I can say that right now before even seeing Final Wars that overall the Incredibles is a better film. But WHY should that be considered when watching a Godzilla movie?? He might as well not even be a fan if he's going to be comparing steel to gold instead of steel to steel. We don't see Godzilla movies for their messages and cinematic triumphs, and these people are fooling themselves if they think that's what Godzilla is about in this day and age.

Seriously..
Yeah that review was kinda stupid.

[PyrasTerran]

The fans also roared their approval at the very start: the picture begins with a vintage TohoScope logo, no doubt inspired by Tarantino's use of the ancient ShawScope logo to open KILL BILL. They also cheered as each new monster appeared and after each one was vanquished, and one particular line about the Emmerich Godzilla brought down the house. And when it was all over, they leapt to their feet and gave a tumultuous standing ovation to the stars and crew (who looked quite startled to be receiving so much adulation in a foreign country).

Noticing... All the negative reviews are backed up by the writer's few 3-4 friends. All the positive reviews are backed up by the rest of the audience.

I think I'm starting to see in which direction the Final Wars liking is leaning...

[Raptor]

Yeah that review was kinda stupid.Maybe because it was "by committee" and Jean could have been unduly influenced by his friends' opinions, or worse yet, what they would think if HIS thoughts on it didn't necessarily agree with theirs?
I just can't see having a "herd mentality" myself when you're trying to suspend your disbelief (like when viewing a FANTASY film) in the first place. :dontgetit

[PyrasTerran]

That may be it, Raptor. I remember at times I find myself subconsciously thinking that a certain film sucked, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it, the crowd I was with hated it and pressed it into me about how much they hated it.

Still not an excuse though.. if he was truely respectable he wouldn't follow the crowd, even if it's his own.

[Raptor]

Not meaning to get off topic but I'm wondering if we'll even be seeing almost entire FORUMS of people who haven't seen it suddenly thinking the movie will "suck" because of possibly questionable reviews, even if they are by fans of the genre?

[Tomzilla]

Maybe because it was "by committee" and Jean could have been unduly influenced by his friends' opinions, or worse yet, what they would think if HIS thoughts on it didn't necessarily agree with theirs?
I just can't see having a "herd mentality" myself when you're trying to suspend your disbelief (like when viewing a FANTASY film) in the first place. :dontgetit

Raptor, I think you are a psychic.

Heck, I remember when I went to see Reign of Fire with two of my friends. After seeing it, I thought it was great, until one of them mentioned how it was horrible, and the other said the same thing. And to my surprise, I started to agree. Damn it, I hate doing that!

I think some of them actually enjoyed it, considering it a guilty pleasure, but then the others started rambling how it was stupid and not created in the way they wanted it. It appears to be an unspoken law amongst everyone: The first person in a group after seeing a movie who opens their mouth and says what they think, will 80% of the time convince the majority of everyone in that group to agree (or everyone).

So once again, negative or positive, I don't care....don't make up your mind until you see it. If you start resenting its existence now, odds are your mind will be made up before seeing it. You know the greatness of my advice? If you think positive, odds are you'll like it and there's nothing wrong with that. :)

[Cookson]

If anyone is interested in watching a total of 10 min new promo head to the MZ forums and look for the topic about 16 min video or something.

I watched the thing and holy crap it is awesome. There is 5 clips and the 5th is the best. It shows GOdzilla getting ready to blast his breath and does then a big and I mean BIG explosion happens. Anyone that feared the movie wont anymore after they watch them.

Also they show Manda and he looks perfectly fine to me.

[Megabyte]

I guess I'll throw in my two cents once more, in a more face pace version, like GFW ^_^

Seriosuly words can not describe the pure awesomeness that came from this film! To best quote a good viewer here's my friend's comment who won the tickets via Henshin!Online:
"I'm sorry, but if you do not like this movie, you must not have a *****."
(a little immature but it does make sense when you see this film)

Honeslty, I do not see where the seemingly burning contempt is coming from for this film. Maybe a lot of these reviewers are being paid off to say negative things! I'll admit there were two scenes where I hung my head in shame because it was a little too Matrixy but that did not at ruin the film for me! We came to see Godzilla kick some major kaiju *** and that's what he did and he did a damn good job. We knew that there was gonna be some high octaine human action and there was plenty of it. And of course the fights between the UFOs and Atragon were good surprises. Simply put, where the HELL did these guys who poo-poohed it sat? Everyone was cheering their head off and laughing at all the humor scenes! Hell, people were laughing and cheering at Minya for God's shakes!! and NO, Minya doesn't drive, he just grabs the wheel :p

This movie was serious fun and I hate to say it but I pity the fools who for some odd reason didn't enjoy it. It paid homange to nearly every G film created plus any other classic Toho films and even GINO and a bit of Monster Wars! There was things to love about this film even for people were looking for a strong melodramatic story such as in Gamera 3 or the original Godzilla.

EDIT-Oh...my bad there's my review, on the other topic -_-V

[Raptor]

Don't worry about some other people's concerns about the film who might not have enjoyed it as much as you did, MB.
As for everyone who is letting a few negative reviews spoil just about EVERYTHING for you, look at all the excitement about the G:STE game people fed each other on, only to be disappointed when REALITY kicked in and they had it in their hot little hands.
I would think everyone would be EXCITED about this historic (as far as the fandom goes) film and at least give it the benefit of the doubt UNTIL THEY SEE IT THEMSELVES. Who knows, you might be surprised. :)
As for posts getting moved around, we've already had a "near panic" where SOMEONE actually thought Minya was driving a car. Having that kind of stuff with GENUINE, SERIOUS, FIRST-PERSON, WELL THOUGHT OUT REVIEWS is what can make "fandom" seem outright aggravating at times, thus the attempt to keep the "meat" out of the drippings.

[Studio Asperger]

Don't worry about some other people's concerns about the film who might not have enjoyed it as much as you did, MB.
As for everyone who is letting a few negative reviews spoil just about EVERYTHING for you, look at all the excitement about the G:STE game people fed each other on, only to be disappointed when REALITY kicked in and they had it in their hot little hands.
I would think everyone would be EXCITED about this historic (as far as the fandom goes) film and at least give it the benefit of the doubt UNTIL THEY SEE IT THEMSELVES. Who knows, you might be surprised. :) I'll make a confession here (even though I've probably mentioned it elsewhere). Until very recently I always used to pass off Godzilla movies as stupid, valueless pap. I was probably in line with about 90% of England's population when I thought that.

As I've grown older though, I find that I've learned to not judge something even before I've seen it. I have to admit, when I bought G2K purely out of idle curiosity I thought 'Oh dear God, what have I done?' Now it's turned out to be one of the best films I've seen this year.

If I hadn't become willing to give Godzilla movies the benefit of the doubt, I wouldn't be here today.

As far as I can tell, it seems that Godzilla movies can enter a variety of different 'moods' and somehow still pull it off. Whether it be high-camp monster-mashing action, or serious and dramatic providing food for thought, Godzilla films can still entertain on so many different levels.

I've noticed with a load of Hollywood blockbusters in recent years that they look 'factory-produced', that they're used as little more than flashy showcases for special effects (that often look faker than even the lowest-budget Toho movie) and that big explosions get in the way of any sense of credibility the film tries to get. The biggest complaint I have about them though is that... well... it doesn't look like everyone involved had much fun making them. I don't care what the airheads say in interviews, they just strike me as extremely bland.

Those were my main concerns with GFW. However, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see it for myself. I'm quite looking forward to seeing it - after starting off on a serious G-movie, I'm interested in seeing how one of Godzilla's 'monster mayhem' movies plays out.

It's just a shame that the chances of this movie reaching the UK are a million to one.:(

Oh yeah, I also want to say that comparing GFW to The Incredibles is like comparing Cheddar Cheese to a plastic bag. They're entirely different films, and I'm confident both are entertaining in their own rights.

[MechaV]

KUMONGA DOESN"T DIE!!!!!!! Oh no, ofcourse not.

...unless when he lands all his legs snap like trees...or he falls in the ocean and drowns...or he's impaled on something...

[MechaV]

Not meaning to get off topic but I'm wondering if we'll even be seeing almost entire FORUMS of people who haven't seen it suddenly thinking the movie will "suck" Yeah,it's called Monster Zero. :confused:

Sorry for the double post, but it had to be said.

[Excelsior]

Er, where's this evidence that there's no plot? Of course there's a story, it may not be an intricate one like Gamera 3, but neither was the one for Godzilla vs. Destroyah. The only difference here is that the humans are actually fighting back with something other than a few tanks and one super weapon.

The way it seems, it's that people are saying there is no story, when that is a blatant lie. It can't be a movie without a story, and in fact, there are no monster battles until an hour into the movie, so there HAS to be a story tying everything together. But just because the story isn't filled with subplots and twists we can't predict doesn't mean it's a bad story.

True, there is a story there. It's just recycled, rehashed and unoriginal. I've said that from the beginning. Bad me to actually want something new in a Godzilla movie besides rock music and flashy editing.

I'm not saying the movie can't or won't be fun to watch, but it could have been so much more than a fast-forward-to-the-monsters movie.

[PyrasTerran]

True, there is a story there. It's just recycled, rehashed and unoriginal. I've said that from the beginning. Bad me to actually want something new in a Godzilla movie besides rock music and flashy editing.

I wasn't aware that mutants, motorcycles, M-base compounds and aliens with super-strength were the norm in a Godzilla movie.

I'm not saying the movie can't or won't be fun to watch, but it could have been so much more than a fast-forward-to-the-monsters movie.

See here's the problem..
You think it's gonna be that when it's been shown by so many that it's not.

A fast-forwrard-to-the-monsters movie is a movie where everything else is boring. All the human interaction is pointless. In this movie, however, the human interaction has proven INTERESTING. granted, it's interesting because of all the fights, but it's interesting nonetheless. CERTAINLY not a movie where you're going to just want to fast forward to the monster scenes. Hell, the beginning of the movie has Godzilla in it.

[PyrasTerran]

2. How long are all the monster battles? (Estimate mins)

I think you're asking a bit much from question number 2, dude :laugh:

As for Kumonga, we can only assume that he splats across the island from the toss.

[Studio Asperger]

Whatever flaws the film may have I am still completely pumped for the kaiju battles, especially the finale between G and Monster X/Kaiser Ghidorah!

By the way, did anyone bother reading the comments posted at the bottom of either of the Moriarty review pages by users on that site? Christ! Talk about hatred!:crazy: I've had my share of hateful comments thrown at me over being a fan of this genre, but I have never read anything like that before in my life.:(
All they needed were torches and a castle to storm, that was simply ridiculous.
Well, it seems to me that the talkback section on Ain't It Cool can be likened to the bottom of the Internet barrel.

Well, actually, it's as if the bottom of the barrel had its own barrel, with another bottom altogether, that then dripped on an ocean of diseased rats which then leapt into a rank sewer.

(Anyone who reads Penny Arcade will know where that came from, but after seeing the Ain't It Cool site I heartily agree.)

As for me, well I'm gonna be somewhat dubious about all these reviews. I'm not gonna get excited, but I'm not gonna set out to hate the film either. I'm just gonna wait until I see it with my own eyes.

...

Assuming it gets out on DVD, that is.

[SandwormPhish]

Looking at that long GFW special I have come to the conclusion I really like that music that plays when it shows Goji and Monster X facing off.. and is it just me or does MX play one mean game of Mercy?

[PyrasTerran]

Hah, definitely. He seems real cold-blooded.

[DarkGojiLord]

I think you're asking a bit much from question number 2, dude :laugh:

As for Kumonga, we can only assume that he splats across the island from the toss.
Bah, there are 3 or 4 ways he could of escaped death.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Raptor
Not meaning to get off topic but I'm wondering if we'll even be seeing almost entire FORUMS of people who haven't seen it suddenly thinking the movie will "suck"
Yeah,it's called Monster Zero. :confused:

Sorry for the double post, but it had to be said.Someone else said I must be "psychic" with that statement! :laugh: Actually, it's just my typical "looking at the BIG PICTURE" approach to things, "fanthropology" (the human "science" equivalent of Kaijuology that applies sociology to FANS) and working with people in some pretty dynamic settings. Hey, I'm better at what I do for fun than Iben Browning was when it comes to earthquakes! :D

[Studio Asperger]

Someone else said I must be "psychic" with that statement! :laugh: Actually, it's just my typical "looking at the BIG PICTURE" approach to things, "fanthropology" (the human "science" equivalent of Kaijuology that applies sociology to FANS) and working with people in some pretty dynamic settings. Hey, I'm better at what I do for fun than Iben Browning was when it comes to earthquakes! :D
There's the thing though, when it comes to looking at the fan-created reviews. From my experience in a variety of different fan circles, several fans are so hopelessly protective of their franchise that they either;

A) Won't hear a word against it, and believe everything their icon produces is solid gold

or

B) Are complete purists who believe 'what went on before is infinitely superior, and automatically set out to hate the product if the creators take the franchise in a different direction.


Quite frankly, I find such whinging to be pretty pathetic - we have no control over what the creators will do, so why automatically complain?

[Showa Godzilla]

^ THat (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110877#post110877) was a great review.I second that.(Stupid Short Message Rule).

[Raptor]

Exactly, SA! Can we control a kaiju? No, we can't, anymore than the fictional military and other characters can. The studio is in it for the money, no two ways about it. If they want to continue in business, they have to make films people will go see. With Godzilla, the character has a certain persona which was established with his first appearance and has (luckily) endured for 50 years now and over MULTIPLE story treatments.

The IDEA is what drives the whole thing, folks. We "get into it" when we watch the movies, not directing the action or writing the script, scoring or playing a part in it. We lay down our cash to be entertained and do have certain expectations of what SHOULD await us inside: Godzilla. At the same time, often as much as a year before (and maybe even before seeing his previous adventure), we wonder and anticipate what new challenges he will face. The rubber suit and all that is put aside; IT'S TOKYO, GODZILLA, KAIJU we're SUPPOSED to be thinking about for 90 minutes or so, the ACTION THAT IS UNFOLDING UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
Actually, I believe the darkness of a theater adds to better being able to FOCUS on the film. You're not seeing what the other members of the audience might be doing, everyone keeps their mouths shut the majority of the time and it's YOU looking up (so I prefer seeing these things from the third row for maximum effect...) at this GIANT MONSTER DOING HIS THING.
Sure, some do it better than others. Even the Big G has had some "clunkers" but in about EVERY film of this type I've ever watched, I have found at least a few "WOW!" scenes to make the effort worthwhile and praise the writer/director/cameraman/actor/whatever for DELIVERING.
Kaiju eiga (and ANY film making) is an EVOLVING art. It's the "nature of the beast" to try new things, make that trip to the movies ever more exciting and rewarding FOR THE AUDIENCE. If the crowd isn't satisfied, in many instances, I have to say it's their own fault. Did they set their expectations too high? Probably. Compared a Japanese giant critter flick to a Hollywood special effects outer space romp? No doubt, but when you do that, it's like comparing a Cadillac to Peterbilt. Each has it's own way of getting its job done IMO.
Theaters are now a lot like "car marts" where a bunch of dealers are all located in one area. You go in the doors of a multi-plex with more than one screen and it's "take your pick". YOU laid down the cash to be there so make the most of it. You "shop around" before making most purchases, don't you? Do likewise with movie going or buying tapes/DVDs but remember that G films aren't like TV with 102 (or more) "channels" to choose from.
So I'm more picky about TV than kaiju eiga. Same thing like before we had import cars in the States and everyone drove "domestics". Those of us who initially embraced "foreign cars" had to contend with various "differences" about them but it was all "part of it". Godzilla flicks I see the same way.

[Tomzilla]

Someone else said I must be "psychic" with that statement!

Blast! I can't even get people to remember it was me who say things! ;)

[CBright7831]

Just wondering, what did Monster X/KG's roar sound like?

Matter of fact, did any of the monsters besides Anguirus have a new roar?

[Melkor]

^ Thanks Pyras, I had totally forgotten about MaserCity's coverage of GFW :D. Monster X certainly does seem to be a much better opponent for Goji than KG himself. I mean, his beams don't even explode things... Unfortunate, but I will still see the film. His immobility is also something I did not expect, since his early picture seemed to show a much more flexible, movable Ghidorah. Oh well. I'll still enjoy the movie as it is since it is, afterall, Godzilla's 50th anniversary tribute.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Baran-no-goji]

It REALLY makes my day getting positive opinions about this movie. I'm very VERY relieved over the PG-13 equivalent rating and the fact my favorite kaiju was include albeit in flashback form-VARAN!! and that makes my day. It's stock footage but who cares?

[BS Digital Q]

I did hear that Kaiser's roar sounded like a hybrid of Heisei Ghidorah and Grand KG, but it seems that the music was too loud, so most people aren't sure.

[Megabyte]

Yeah, the music is low through out the entire movie until that scene, go figure eh! That's just what it sounded like...
From what it seemed like, everyone had their original Showa roars, even Anguirus!! Although G's roar were the same Millennium roars used since G2K, but thankfully they didn't use any of the wierd "Gorgo"-type roars that were used in GxMG and Tokyo SOS. The roars from GINO even sounded like the ones from the film and the series, well the "un-Godzillian" roars atleast. Minya and Monster-X seem to be pretty quiet through out the film, except for the strange laughing roar type sound MX did before his transformation.

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Cool! Thanks for the info.

So MX doesn't really roar much at all?

[Mecha-Rodan]

I actually thought Godzilla's growls and snarls made him sound more animalistic in GxMG and SOS.... I take it that this Godzilla doesn't growl much then?

[EternalMothra]

Acutally to your dismay and my apporval there is no singing in GFW!:devil:

Although the Shobijin warn that the main mutant dude (damnit I keep forgetting his film name) that he will have to make a desicion of who he truly is and also explains that Gigan had once came to earth to destroy it in ancient times but was fought off by Mothra (of course! :laugh: ).
That's dumb, you think that the Shobijin would sing, knowing that it is Godzilla's 50th anniversary and possibly his last movie for a long time.

[PyrasTerran]

But that's really a Mothra movie kinda thing, not necesarily important for Godzilla, and it would waste valueable time.

[SCGamerXX24]

imagine how the dd in april is going to be? how many new monsters do we have for it? a lot!

although i doubt Neozilla or Neohedorah are going to make much of a splash...ive heard from friends whove seen the movie that they dont last very long...less than a minute each!

ebirah and kamacuras last longer than they do!

[Megabyte]

^ This is probably the most mericless and vicious Godzilla I've seen since he fought Anguirus in GRA. He fights and attacks without even a second thought! Not only that he's extremely intelligent and cunning, a dangerous mixture!!

[Mecha74]

imagine how the dd in april is going to be? how many new monsters do we have for it? a lot!
That sounds fantastic SCGamerXX24, but even in April how many of us will have actually seen GFW, other than forum members who get to watch it in theaters and individuals with sneaky bootleg connections. Even if it is either released in theaters worldwide(keeping fingers crossed:D ) or gets a dvd release, there is no guarantee that it will happen by April(it would rock if it did though). The GFW monsters may get put up in the kaiju stats section, but some people would still want to see the film for themselves first before placing a vote.

Now if GFW got released on dvd as fast as some TV shows or movies do here in the States(a friggin month:crazy: ), that would be awesome! Yeah I know, it will never happen but a guy can dream can't he?:)

[PyrasTerran]

You don't see a theatrical release in the rise, Mecha74?

[Mecha74]

You don't see a theatrical release in the rise, Mecha74?I definetly want there to be!:) But part of me is worried that sony may look at G2000 as a template for deciding wether or not to theatrically show GFW in the States, and that worries me.:nervous:

I think the dismal box office totals of G2000 gave us an unfortunete reality check as to what the average non g-fan movie goer thinks of G and kaiju films in general. Me and my brother went to see it on it's opening weekend and were the only ones in the theater. Even though G2000 was also looked down upon by g-fans as well(I still liked it though:D ), the average movie goer doesn't know the difference between a good kaiju film and a bad one and could probably care less. Whether it's G vs Megalon or Tokyo SOS all that person sees is a guy in a rubber suit and makes his own assumptions from there.

Just because the movie doesn't have a mega huge budget or a hollywood leading man they assume it's crap. I have tried to interest other sci-fi and action film fans that are friends of mine in the newer G films but the reaction I got was far from pleasant.:( But anyway yes, I most certainly hope there is a nationwide release, and that sony will give GFW a chance to shine.

[PyrasTerran]

I definetly want there to be! But part of me is worried that sony may look at G2000 as a template for deciding wether or not to theatrically show GFW in the States, and that worries me.

Actually, the man in charge of bringing Godzilla 2000 to theatres saw the film and says it's good the way it is for releasing.

I think the dismal box office totals of G2000 gave us an unfortunete reality check as to what the average non g-fan movie goer thinks of G and kaiju films in general. Me and my brother went to see it on it's opening weekend and were the only ones in the theater. Even though G2000 was also looked down upon by g-fans as well(I still liked it though ), the average movie goer doesn't know the difference between a good kaiju film and a bad one and could probably care less. Whether it's G vs Megalon or Tokyo SOS all that person sees is a guy in a rubber suit and makes his own assumptions from there.


That's what critics are for. Did you know that Godzilla 2000 has an overall higher rating as a movie than Godzilla '98 as far as Americans are concerned? This high-velocity movie will certainly at the least bring in the Paul Anderson crowd of Resident Evil and Alien vs. Predator fans, as well as those who see it as a fun homage-to-the-old-days movie, like Kill Bill was to martial arts.

[Mecha74]

PyrasTerran]Actually, the man in charge of bringing Godzilla 2000 to theatres saw the film and says it's good the way it is for releasing.



I didn't know that, that's fantastic!




That's what critics are for. Did you know that Godzilla 2000 has an overall higher rating as a movie than Godzilla '98 as far as Americans are concerned? This high-velocity movie will certainly at the least bring in the Paul Anderson crowd of Resident Evil and Alien vs. Predator fans, as well as those who see it as a fun homage-to-the-old-days movie, like Kill Bill was to martial arts.

Thank you for the information Pyras, I feel much better now.:)

[Ben-H]

Yes, Mike Schlesinger, the man who brought G2K to theaters in America, is a big Godzilla fan. He has also had some say in bringing the recent Sony Godzilla movies to DVD. In fact, it was him who got Sony to release GxM and GMK with the Japanese track and English dub, and they've done it like that ever since thanks to Mike Schlesinger giving them the idea. He's the guy on the commentary on the Sony G2K DVD. And he did indeed attend the GFW premiere and is very interested in giving it a U.S. theatrical release.

I'd say that if Mike Schlesinger tries to get them to, and GFW does good in Japanese theaters, Sony will give it at least a limited theatrical release.

[CBright7831]

Yeah, the music is low through out the entire movie until that scene, go figure eh! That's just what it sounded like...
From what it seemed like, everyone had their original Showa roars, even Anguirus!! Although G's roar were the same Millennium roars used since G2K, but thankfully they didn't use any of the wierd "Gorgo"-type roars that were used in GxMG and Tokyo SOS. The roars from GINO even sounded like the ones from the film and the series, well the "un-Godzillian" roars atleast. Minya and Monster-X seem to be pretty quiet through out the film, except for the strange laughing roar type sound MX did before his transformation.
So what was that roar Angilas did in that scene we've seen of him jumping out of the ground?

[CBright7831]

Hopefully someone will take a second to tell me how every monster besides Gigan and Monster X die.

[Solar_Behemoth]

I definetly want there to be!:) But part of me is worried that sony may look at G2000 as a template for deciding wether or not to theatrically show GFW in the States, and that worries me.:nervous:

I think the dismal box office totals of G2000 gave us an unfortunete reality check as to what the average non g-fan movie goer thinks of G and kaiju films in general.

Good points on G2000 in the U.S. theaters, Mecha74.
But the most important thing is, despite the lack of an audience for G2000 in U.S. theaters, the film actually made just about want Sony expected it to make.
I'm pretty sure they'll buy the rights to the film to release in U.S. theaters, because GFW will probably make more than G2000 because of the hype and attention (I think Sony realizes this). I just hope Sony will advertise more for the film! C'mon, show those kick *** previews to the general public!

[Solar_Behemoth]

Hopefully someone will take a second to tell me how every monster besides Gigan and Monster X die.

Actually, Megabyte told us the list already in another topic.
I think it is in this topic somewhere....

[Project Pimp]

Let's be realistic here. Sony spent roughly one million dollars to bring G2K to the states. They made about ten million. It was a nice and easy profit for them.

Sony could bring GFW to the US, spending considerably less to release it uncut, and make an even more at the box office; because let's face it, who the hell wouldn't wanna see a movie with aliens, Matrix fights, and a dozen monsters rampaging across the globe?

I think they should play up the campiness angle a bit in the trailers/previews if they can, just to show it's all about fun, but at the same time bombard the audience with everything visually stunning in the film. Oh, and definitely advertise on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block.

I see this film as being a moderate success. Especially considering Sony has nothing to lose. They'd be stupid not to release it theatrically, IMHO.

[godofPH]

From what I've been seeing around sites is that non-goji fans are giving this better reviews than the die hard goji fans.

But I read the review for GFW at Toho kingdom and GFW sounds perfect for me

No plot (there is one,but I hear that Kitamura didn't give it time to develop), 15 monsters, All but two of those 15 die, Great action (even though most fights last 2-10 minutes), GIGAN!!!!, and ufos.

[PyrasTerran]

Great action (even though most fights last 2-10 minutes)

10 minutes is about as long as a Matrix fight, so it's not that short at all.

[Cookson]

From what I've been seeing around sites is that non-goji fans are giving this better reviews than the die hard goji fans.

But I read the review for GFW at Toho kingdom and GFW sounds perfect for me

No plot (there is one,but I hear that Kitamura didn't give it time to develop), 15 monsters, All but two of those 15 die, Great action (even though most fights last 2-10 minutes), GIGAN!!!!, and ufos.
Exactly....Thats what am looking forward to. Ive been wanting to se a alein invasion like the ones on the trailers on a Godzilla movie. And then we get older monsters in the movie(Rodan is my fav). The special Effects might not be all that good some people say but thats not what Godzilla movies are about...They are about having a fun time watching it.

[Raptor]

From what it seemed like, everyone had their original Showa roars, even Anguirus!! Although G's roar were the same Millennium roars used since G2K, but thankfully they didn't use any of the wierd "Gorgo"-type roars that were used in GxMG and Tokyo SOS. The roars from GINO even sounded like the ones from the film and the series, well the "un-Godzillian" roars atleast. Minya and Monster-X seem to be pretty quiet through out the film, except for the strange laughing roar type sound MX did before his transformation.
"Here's one good thing I can actually say about this car wreck of a movie.They used the original roars for all the monsters."

-- Steve "right now I rank GFW 28th in the G-series" Spina

[Raptor]

From what I've been seeing around sites is that non-goji fans are giving this better reviews than the die hard goji fans.
From James Knopf:
"I think you guys are over-reacting a little. My brother couldn't go at the last minute and my 70 year old mom went instead. SHE LOVED IT! My son and my nephew loved it too. My wife is a martial arts movie fan and she was pissed when she found out that Mom went instead of her.
"I think this flick will do much more for G than G-85 or G2K did. It could really catch on with a PG crowd. Kids who grew up on Pokemon and Power Rangers should be able to get right on board with this flick."

[Raptor]

I think the dismal box office totals of G2000 gave us an unfortunete reality check as to what the average non g-fan movie goer thinks of G and kaiju films in general. Even though G2000 was also looked down upon by g-fans as well(I still liked it though:D ), the average movie goer doesn't know the difference between a good kaiju film and a bad one and could probably care less. Whether it's G vs Megalon or Tokyo SOS all that person sees is a guy in a rubber suit and makes his own assumptions from there.

Just because the movie doesn't have a mega huge budget or a hollywood leading man they assume it's crap.
Armand addresses a few issues here:

As for people always complaining that Toho itself "doesn't think outside the box":
"I saw the movie. It was so unconventional and quirky, it worked for me! The spfx were not as polished as "Tokyo S.O.S.," but they did not keep me from liking the film."

Also, regarding the spfx, especially after watching some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on the Spider-man 2 DVD set and how they had to try things over and over again - planning, refining, scrapping, changing - until it worked acceptibly for the final cut. Toho could never afford to do that and they usually have to get it right the first time. If it doesn't look great, they either have to scrap it completely or go with it anyway.

"There's a big difference between a 2-year American production with millions and millions of dollars to be spent and a Japanese production under $20 million and less than a year's worth of production time."

Perspective, folks.

[godofPH]

Also, regarding the spfx, especially after watching some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on the Spider-man 2 DVD set and how they had to try things over and over again - planning, refining, scrapping, changing - until it worked acceptibly for the final cut. Toho could never afford to do that and they usually have to get it right the first time. If it doesn't look great, they either have to scrap it completely or go with it anyway.

"There's a big difference between a 2-year American production with millions and millions of dollars to be spent and a Japanese production under $20 million and less than a year's worth of production time."

Perspective, folks.
I'm pretty sure Toho could of pulled together enough money from 50 years of Goji and the other stuff toho has done over the years to make a movie with the average budget for movies these days.

[Raptor]

I'm pretty sure Toho could of pulled together enough money from 50 years of Goji and the other stuff toho has done over the years to make a movie with the average budget for movies these days.I say American movie budgets (and a bunch of other price tags around here) are GROSSLY INFLATED. The so-called "economy" is probably going to implode like a black hole one of these days there is so much debt and what are the marketers (and even mayors) doing, especilly this time of year? Wanting everyone to SPEND MORE! So much for EEKconomics. I'm sticking to the bottom line and believe with FINAL WARS, we'll be getting PLENTY "bang for the buck".

[Cookson]

^ It's done extemely well. Personally I think this is the best job Toho has done with CGI in their films.
Thats a first I heard from anyone. Am glad someone finally said it though.

[Raptor]

Minya driving a car... Don't mock him! He'll run you over!Man, am I ever glad we now have a DETAILED recap of THAT scene! :laugh: Just remember that if you're out in the deer woods and come across a funny looking little dude, make sure he rides in the BACK of your truck or you'll never hear the end of it.

[Archaic_Avenger]

Godzilla and Minilla do not die.
ahh, that is good news. you should have seen my victory dance i just did. Godzilla dieing would almost entirely spoil the movie for me, and i would simply sit through the credits crying (like i did in Godzilla vs. Destroyah, Godzilla's death being one of the very few reasons why that movie is not my favorite.) now its good to know he survives this movie.

Rodan2000

[Solar_Behemoth]

I'm now convinced that this film does, in fact, have too many monsters.
I think this film should have limited the amount of monsters in it, because I say must it is kinda disappointing that Hedorah, Kamacuras, Manda, and Kumonga don't get much screentime at all. I wouldn't be mad about anything if they just didn't include these monsters in the first place. It is like giving a kid a lolly pop and then taking it away from them to make them cry... if Toho didn't put these monsters in GFW, then there wouldn't be anything to cry about. :cry:

(Kinda what Chef from South Park said) ;)

At the most, GFW should have had about 8-10 monsters.

[PyrasTerran]

I'm now convinced that this film does, in fact, have too many monsters.
I think this film should have limited the amount of monsters in it, because I say must it is kinda disappointing that Hedorah, Kamacuras, Manda, and Kumonga don't get much screentime at all. I wouldn't be mad about anything if they just didn't include these monsters in the first place. It is like giving a kid a lolly pop and then taking it away from them to make them cry... if Toho didn't put these monsters in GFW, then there wouldn't be anything to cry about.

This is the fan's perspective, though. I don't think this sorrow would apply to the many non-kaiju fans that would watch the film for the first time. To them, it's just a world full of monsters, they don't know the history of these kaiju nor do they cherish them, so they wouldn't have any problem with only seeing a bit of them.

[godofPH]

^ To non-kaiju fans, the monsters not getting much screentime isn't really a big deal because they don't know who they are.

[Raptor]

I see this film as being a moderate success. Especially considering Sony has nothing to lose. They'd be stupid not to release it theatrically, IMHO.
"When I talked to Mike Schlesinger at the Walk of Fame ceremony, he indicated that Sony does not have the rights. No doubt that he'll have a report on the movie and do his best to convince them that they should pick it up. He seemed pretty enthused about it. We won't hear from him for about a couple of weeks. He's on vacation in England."

- Armand

[CBright7831]

Actually, Megabyte told us the list already in another topic.
I think it is in this topic somewhere....
I looked all over the thread and can't find it.

:(

[Raptor]

It's in the SPOILERS reviews. Try THIS (http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110660#post110660)! :crazy:

[Solar_Behemoth]

Hmmm.... :dontgetit :confused: :eh: :eyebrow:

I've heard from reviews from people seeing GFW in Japan that the theater was packed, yet in others I heard the theater was half empty. I really want to know how well this film is doing at the box office, it's very important for Godzilla's future, IMO.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

^ It may or may not have been full but if it wasn't I can see why since it was said interest in Godzilla in Japan is fading. It may very well be that the future of Godzilla may really depend on the West ironically but judging from all the support it definitely looks like roads are bright ahead for Godzilla's future. This is a quick question, but does anyone know who Mike Schlesinger has to go through first before GFW would be released here or is he in charge of all things Godzilla with Sony basically? He said he liked it just the way it was with maybe a few minor changes so we may be looking at either an early-summer 2005 release in theaters in some form. G2k was released the summer after it opened in Japan here so it's not out of the question and Sony did a LOT of changes to it. So I expect they could definitely get it out here any time before the summer even.

[PyrasTerran]

The only thing I'm worried about is powerhouses like The Incredibles running in the same month as Final Wars. Pixar slaughted Tokyo SOS with help from The Last Samurai last year.

[Figment]

It's not just Pixar, Studio Ghibli(makers of Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke, two movies in the top 5 highest grossing movies in Japan)has their new movie, Howl's Moving Castle, out.

[Raptor]

It may very well be that the future of Godzilla may really depend on the West ironically but judging from all the support it definitely looks like roads are bright ahead for Godzilla's future. Mike Schlesinger... said he liked it just the way it was with maybe a few minor changes so we may be looking at either an early-summer 2005 release in theaters in some form. G2k was released the summer after it opened in Japan here so it's not out of the question and Sony did a LOT of changes to it.
"I just got back from Japan and was able to see G:FW twice over the weekend (once on Saturday, once on Monday). I would be surprised to see G:FW in general US release. It seemed to me to be too 'Japanese' for most American audiences to really get into. Maybe I'm wrong though. In either case, it was a great movie."

-- Jim Phillips