Monster Islands and their inhabitants.

[Gomess]

<font color='#8D38C9'>Ooh, new forum layout... nice...

Trying to sort out which kaiju were on which island when, and how, and just which island is which...

1967 Sollgel Island: Godzilla, Minya, Kumonga, Kamacuras.

1969 (what is the island referred to as?): Godzilla, Minya, Gabara, Gorosaurus, Angilas, Ebirah (?) And yes, I'm aware it may be a dream.

1971 Monster Island: Godzilla, Rodan, Angilas (see Godzilla Vs. Megalon intro)

1972 Monster Island: Godzilla, Minya, Rodan, Angilas, Gorosaurus, Kumonga, Kamacuras, Mothra.

1999 Monsterland: Godzilla, Minya, Rodan, Angilas, Gorosaurus, Kumonga, Kamacuras, Mothra, Baragon, Varan, Manda.

I've been involved in the &quot;island name&quot; debate before, and I'm starting to think the islands shown in Son of Godzilla all the way through to Vs. Megalon are the same one (Sollgel, renamed Monster Island), and Monsterland on Ogasawara Island is a totally new one they're all moved to.

[Godzilla54]

My best guess would be that the Islands are the same one only monsters came in at different times and humans captured the rest and put them there. How else could they have caught Godzilla if he had not already been on the Island with Minya.

[juan]

This reminds me of Scott Sciencin's junior novels. In &quot;Godzilla: Journey to Monster Island&quot; two psychic kids say that Godzilla just wants some friends and so they take him to an island where Rodan and Anguirus are kept by scientists. As he goes, many other monsters follow, as if he were Moses leading them to the Promised Land.
&nbsp; In the nest book, &quot;Godzilla vs the Space Monster&quot; our hero thinks to himself that the island is great but those pesky human tourists with their camaras are so annoying.
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[Grand Godzilla]

So basically in Destroy all Monsters is a stand alone movie cause if it isn't then how can it follow, I am confused.

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[Saruman]

They are all different islands. I have some maps in some of my books that show their actual locations in the pacific ocean. Maybe one of these days I will try to scan all the different maps I have and merge them into one, but that would be a pretty big undertaking, not to mention time consuming.

[Pkmatrix]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 18 2003,20:51)]They are all different islands. I have some maps in some of my books that show their actual locations in the pacific ocean. Maybe one of these days I will try to scan all the different maps I have and merge them into one, but that would be a pretty big undertaking, not to mention time consuming.
Really? &nbsp;I always thought the same thing as Gomess, that it was Solgell until the UN captured the monsters and moved them to Ogasawara.

[Kaiju Nexus]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 18 2003,20:51)]They are all different islands. I have some maps in some of my books that show their actual locations in the pacific ocean. Maybe one of these days I will try to scan all the different maps I have and merge them into one, but that would be a pretty big undertaking, not to mention time consuming.
NO WAY!!! *what book is this you speak of Saruman?

*that &quot;NO WAY&quot; was in relation to the fact that you have you have a book with these pictures, not to the fact that the islands are different. &nbsp;i agree in that respect.

[Godzilla guy]

I always thought that there were two islands.

1. Sogell Island.
2. Monster Island

I thought that they moved all the monsters onto Monster Island (Ogasawara island) and that was it. If they are all diffrent islands thn the kaiju must have been moved many times...

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (DBZelda7 @ Dec. 21 2003,18:14)]Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 18 2003,20:51)]They are all different islands. I have some maps in some of my books that show their actual locations in the pacific ocean. Maybe one of these days I will try to scan all the different maps I have and merge them into one, but that would be a pretty big undertaking, not to mention time consuming.
NO WAY!!! *what book is this you speak of Saruman?

*that &quot;NO WAY&quot; was in relation to the fact that you have you have a book with these pictures, not to the fact that the islands are different. *i agree in that respect.
Its not just one single book, but one has more island location maps than the rest. I have over 70 Kaiju books, and im not talking movie programs, im talking actual books.

One of the best ones is the &quot;Encyclopedia of Godzilla 1954 - 1999.&quot; Its a great book and covers not only the movies, but also both cartoon series, video games, and my favorite part, Television Shows, like &quot;Monster Planet of Godzilla.&quot;

Then of course there is what is considered one of the best, if not the best series of Toho Kaiju books, the SF Series. This is my personal favorite series of books.

Another nice series is the &quot;TV Kun Deluxe Series&quot; (I believe that is the name of the series), these are similar to the SF Series but are smaller and dont cover as much stuff.

If I could just learn to read Japanese I would have so much information at my hands it wouldnt be funny. But even without reading Japanese, the books still contain a wealth of information that I can use, especially when it comes to maps and diagrams.

[James_D]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 23 2003,06:43)]If I could just learn to read Japanese I would have so much information at my hands it wouldnt be funny. But even without reading Japanese, the books still contain a wealth of information that I can use, especially when it comes to maps and diagrams.
If you could give me some scans of what you need translated I could get to work on them. I have the Godzilla Encyclopaedia (reviewed in the books section) but those others sound fascinating!

And what are the SF series? Those usual black-background books that cover each of the films? Around Y1000 – Y1500 each or is that something else?

[Gomess]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 18 2003,20:51)]They are all different islands.
<font color='#8D38C9'>Well hang on, I named five &quot;different islands&quot; (movie-wise anyway), so are you saying the islands presented in Son of Godzilla, Godzilla's Revenge, Vs Hedorah, Vs Gigan etc are ALL different? I don't think that's what you meant, and if it was, I really don't buy it...

Could you be more specific please? Sollgel is somewhere &quot;south-west&quot;; the 1971 Monster Island (and thus presumably the 1973 one) is in the south Pacific; and Monsterland is on Ogasawara Island (right off Japan?). That's all I can confirm from just watching the films- just three islands, but it seems like you're saying the monsters moved on to a new &quot;Monster Island&quot; each film. That's just too wacky for me! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif

[Godzilla guy]

Quote[/b] (Gomess @ Dec. 23 2003,08:07)]Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 18 2003,20:51)]They are all different islands.
Well hang on, I named five &quot;different islands&quot; (movie-wise anyway), so are you saying the islands presented in Son of Godzilla, Godzilla's Revenge, Vs Hedorah, Vs Gigan etc are ALL different? I don't think that's what you meant, and if it was, I really don't buy it...

Could you be more specific please? Sollgel is somewhere &quot;south-west&quot;; the 1971 Monster Island (and thus presumably the 1973 one) is in the south Pacific; and Monsterland is on Ogasawara Island (right off Japan?). That's all I can confirm from just watching the films- just three islands, but it seems like you're saying the monsters moved on to a new &quot;Monster Island&quot; each film. That's just too wacky for me! http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif
I agree. Besides don't all the islands resemble each other? I think that they must have used the same one AT LEAST twice.

[Saruman]

Some of them are used more than once. But there are more than 3 islands. Once the holidays are over, the relatives are gone and life returns to normal I will try to sit down and map it all out.

[Grand Godzilla]

Really I just thought that there was one island.

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[Saruman]

Ok, I cobbeled together a beginning map. Now this doesnt just contain showa islands, but places from all of the series/movies. This is far from complete and it doesnt list all the ones you were asking for, but I will add more as I get time. This map will change over time, not only by adding new islands when I can, but the map itself will eventually change as well.

Here it is:

Toho Island Locations (http://www.rodansroost.com/images/saruman/tohoislandlocations.jpg)

[baragon2005]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 23 2003,21:12)]Ok, I cobbeled together a befinning map. Now this doesnt just contain showa islands, but places from all of the series/movies. This is far from complete and it doesnt list all the ones you were asking for, but I will add more as I get time. This map will change over time, not only by adding new islands when I can, but the map itself will eventually change as well.

Here it is:

Toho Island Locations (http://www.rodansroost.com/images/saruman/tohoislandlocations.jpg)
That is one badass map. &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif









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[GOSSBOSS]

There is only one island the map is a fake.:angry:

[GOSSBOSS]

In all the movies I have seen the Island has been the same, The books and the film are not always the same. Do you not know this, I bet you want my ring don't you I lost it White Wizard. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Raptor]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 23 2003,20:12)]This is far from complete and it doesnt list all the ones you were asking for, but I will add more as I get time. This map will change over time, not only by adding new islands when I can, but the map itself will eventually change as well.

Here it is:

Toho Island Locations (http://www.rodansroost.com/images/saruman/tohoislandlocations.jpg)
I remember G-FAN having a map with a bunch of locations on it that could have been a representation of G's attacks or something else entirely. It might have included his &quot;lay overs&quot; at Birth Island/Ogasawara, etc. between rampages also.

Speaking of maps and such, the main Roost site could probably use one, indicating kaiju appearances and linking to the appropriate film. There are some neat ideas for ORIGINAL websites using this approach also that the &quot;usual&quot; stats and stuff you see could be worked into a DIFFERENT perspective. There is a BUREAU OF ATOMIC TOURISM already so maybe check out what Chambers of Commerce and travel agencies might be doing. &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[juan]

Rodan's Roost tourist agency, eh? That would be a nice add on to the site. On the subject of Monster Island, growing up I always thought that there was just one island. Then I came across the John Q Public 'Compendium. When it spoke of Destroy All Monsters, it had a small side section on this very subject.
&nbsp; It noted that Monsterland wasn't built untill 1999 and that &quot;Monster Island&quot; was first mentioned in Godzilla vs Gigan back in the 60s, thus suggesting that the two were seperate locations. (A monster island was mentioned earlier in Godzilla's revenge, but that was all a dream.) It now seems clear that Monsterland and the &quot;main&quot; Monster Island which served as home to Godzilla and his friends towards the end of the showa days.
&nbsp; GURPS Godzilla Roleplayer states that:
Quote[/b] ]Islands: Several islands in the Pacific have been home to monsters at one time or another. Lagos was the original home of the godzillasaurus that became Godzilla. Infant Island was where Mothra's egg was discovered. Other islands of note include Adona, Burse, Birth, and Monster Island (some of which may be the same island with different names).
&nbsp; Some respectable websites, such as Toho Kingdom, have suggested that after Godzilla and son were frozen in &quot;Son of Godzilla&quot; that the proper authorities took advantage of the situation and took them to an island (the &quot;main&quot; monster island) where they could be contained.
&nbsp; That's all from me, and have a nice day!

[Project Pimp]

Quote[/b] (Saruman @ Dec. 23 2003,21:12)]Ok, I cobbeled together a beginning map. Now this doesnt just contain showa islands, but places from all of the series/movies. This is far from complete and it doesnt list all the ones you were asking for, but I will add more as I get time. This map will change over time, not only by adding new islands when I can, but the map itself will eventually change as well.

Here it is:

Toho Island Locations (http://www.rodansroost.com/images/saruman/tohoislandlocations.jpg)
Dude you rock! That, though incomplete, is one of the single most coolest kaiju diagram.... things... that I have ever seen on the net!!

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (Project Pimp @ Dec. 31 2003,17:47)]Dude you rock! That, though incomplete, is one of the single most coolest kaiju diagram.... things... that I have ever seen on the net!!
Thanks Pimp, hopefully I will beable to make a better map when I can find the time, as well as add more to it. I just merged 6 maps together from one of my books and added the location numbers and legend.

[Godzilla guy]

Quote[/b] (Gomess @ Dec. 16 2003,17:55)]1969 (what is the island referred to as?): Godzilla, Minya, Gabara, Gorosaurus, Angilas, Ebirah (?) And yes, I'm aware it may be a dream.
In 'Godzilla's revenge' something attacks Godzilla. A bird-like thing (if it's supposed to be Rodan then that is the single worst kaiju effect ever!http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Anyway it must be an inhabitant of somesort.

[baragon2005]

Quote[/b] (Godzilla guy @ Jan. 01 2004,14:01)]In 'Godzilla's revenge' something attacks Godzilla. A bird-like thing (if it's supposed to be Rodan then that is the single worst kaiju effect ever!http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Anyway it must be an inhabitant of somesort.
That would be the Giant Condor (originally seen in Ebirah, Horror of the Deep).








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[Project Pimp]

Interestingly enough, I was scoping the Mothra file on the official G site, and it seems Rolisica does indeed exist in the GMMG world. Saruman, any chance on finding me a map of that? http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (Project Pimp @ Jan. 03 2004,07:14)]Interestingly enough, I was scoping the Mothra file on the official G site, and it seems Rolisica does indeed exist in the GMMG world. Saruman, any chance on finding me a map of that? http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
A map of the actual island itself? Or just the location?

I may just beable to do that as I havent fully explored my GMMG CD that came with my Theater Exclusive book, but i'll see what I can come up with for you.

[Project Pimp]

I was for the most part joking, seeing as how the thing's a stand-in for America and that leads to huge problems with the other films. But if you happened to come across anything like that, I'd certainly be interested! I'm sure a lot of people would. One interesting thing I think I read about it in Altavista's crummy translation of the official G site is that the country doesn't exist anymore! Extremely interesting. I'm such a dork, I'll be thinking about this all day, heh.

[Gomess]

<font color='#8D38C9'>Why is everyone making such a fuss, happy, angry or otherwise, over Saruman's map? It is very well made, of course, but it doesn't actually answer the topic's question.... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (Gomess @ Jan. 03 2004,14:10)]It is very well made, of course, but it doesn't actually answer the topic's question.... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif
But it does, your trying to figure out the island locations and what kaiju were on them.

The only way to do that is if you know if each island is a seperate island or not. Creating a map of the actual islands helps to figure out if any of them are the same or not, which is the first step you need to figure out what you are asking.

[Doctor Whu]

Curious ... is Mondo Island from KING KONG ESCAPES the same location as Ferro Island or is it another island altogether?

[Ebirah]

<font color='#FF0000'>does anyone know the name of the Red Bamboo's
island in Godzilla Vs. The Sea Monster?