Destroyah vs. Legion(Quad Condition)

[PyrasTerran]

Destroyah vs. Legion

Arena: Tokyo Airport

Rules: The monsters will battle each other four times. Their strength will be replenished after each confrontation. Each of the four battles has a particular condition to it-

Battle 1: Both Destroyah and Legion have all their abilities at their disposal.

Battle 2: Destroyah's body-repairing ability is disabled.

Battle 3: Legion's swarm command is disabled.

Battle 4: Both Destroyah's body-repairing ability and Legion's swarm command are disabled.


Let's see this fight from the angles given...

[biochemitra]

good match. I think des would win round 2 but legion would get round 3. dunno about the others.

[PyrasTerran]

Des would win Round 2 because his regeneration is disabled? Legion would win round 3 without her swarm? You have some confidence in these kaiju's abilities.

[Black Libra]

Oooh, a biyatch fight.

Battle 1: Legion would win. Her beam would tear Des apart, considering how powerful it is, and how tender her opponents carapace is. As for Destroyah's horn katana, I don't think it will do much do Legion, if not nothing at all.

Battle 2: Without her body-repairing ability, Des's chances for victory are even more slim then before. Legion ownz.

Battle 3: Legion would win. So what? She doesn't have her swarm... Destroyah still doesn't have anything up her arsenal to defeat the Momma bug.

Battle 4: Destroyah phails, and Legion wins again. Why? Read Battle 3

[PyrasTerran]

Are you so sure the katana horn will do nothing? Most Destroyah enthusiasts believe that the horn has incredibly powerful cutting potential.

Destroyah may be able to repair himself from any EM shots that manage to hit him in Battles 1 and 3.

[biochemitra]

Des would win Round 2 because his regeneration is disabled? Legion would win round 3 without her swarm? You have some confidence in these kaiju's abilities.

sorry I misread.
i meant des wins 3 and legion wins 2.

[Black Libra]

Are you so sure the katana horn will do nothing? Most Destroyah enthusiasts believe that the horn has incredibly powerful cutting potential.

Quite sure. If it couldn't cut all the way through Godzilla, I don't think it'll do much against Legion.

Destroyah may be able to repair himself from any EM shots that manage to hit him in Battles 1 and 3.

That manage to hit her? Oh yeah, I forgot, Legion's cross-eyed...

Anyhoo, any shots that do hit, will do A LOT of damage. Now don't start saying that I'm underestimating Destroyah's strength to withstand hits and abilities, but if a couple of slashs from the big G could cause her to bleed like that, then that tells me her skin is very fragile. It also tells me that Legion's beams will mutilate Des.

[biochemitra]

Anyhoo, any shots that do hit, will do A LOT of damage. Now don't start saying that I'm underestimating Destroyah's strength to withstand hits and abilities, but if a couple of slashs from the big G could cause her to bleed like that, then that tells me her skin is very fragile. It also tells me that Legion's beams will mutilate Des.
THIN SKIN?
for your information des as able to dissipate godzillas meltdown spiral beam.
and her MO beam has the power of the plasma grenade.
and although many people beleive she doesnt have it destroyah does in fact have a chest ray. it was even shot in the original, just cut out because it wasnt a very good quality. she used it in the books and manga and the suit even had an openable chest. so I dont think legion could win every battle. that beam could tear legions legs from her body!

[PyrasTerran]

but if a couple of slashs from the big G could cause her to bleed like that, then that tells me her skin is very fragile.

It wasn't Godzilla's physical strikes that caused Des to bleed, it was a triple shot of atomic fire.

THIN SKIN?

Destroyah's armor isn't too thick. How can it be, when Destroyah is actually made up of millions of lil' microbes.

for your information des as able to dissipate godzillas meltdown spiral beam.

?? Destroyah fled the scene once the spiral beam was in play. It literally ripped him apart.

and her MO beam has the power of the plasma grenade.

Not even close. It may be destructive, but it's far from the force of the plasma grenade.

and although many people beleive she doesnt have it destroyah does in fact have a chest ray. it was even shot in the original, just cut out because it wasnt a very good quality. she used it in the books and manga and the suit even had an openable chest. so I dont think legion could win every battle. that beam could tear legions legs from her body!

Dude, if the chest ray was cut out of the movie that means Destroyah doesn't have it to use. Why? Because it was cut out. :p

[Black Libra]

It wasn't Godzilla's physical strikes that caused Des to bleed, it was a triple shot of atomic fire

Yes. But if I recall, there was one scene where G slashed her and blood squirt out.

and her MO beam has the power of the plasma grenade.

Yeah, when she belches. Otherwise, it's not all that in my view.

so I dont think legion could win every battle.

I do.

[PyrasTerran]

Yes. But if I recall, there was one scene where G slashed her and blood squirt out.

Blood was squirting before the strike. G's slash merely irritated the gash from the atomic fire.

[Gorjirus]

Battle 1: Both Destroyah and Legion have all their abilities at their disposal.

Hmm. A tough fight. The thing about the swarm is, that if it does that much damage to Destroyah, than Destroyah can go small. This gives him his own "swarm" so to speak, battling and canceling out Legion's swarm, and Destroyah's aggregates could easily beat Legion's soilders. And Legion wouldn't fire on her own "children". Then Destroyah can get close, and while the EM Blast would do massive damage, if Destoyah can get to Legion and use the Katana Horn, he wins the fight. If he can get close, Destroyah loses.


Battle 2: Destroyah's body-repairing ability is disabled.

Destroyah looses, can't cancel out the swarm.


Battle 3: Legion's swarm command is disabled.

Like the second part of Fight 1. If Destroyah gets close, he wins, if not Legion wins.


Battle 4: Both Destroyah's body-repairing ability and Legion's swarm command are disabled.

See Battle 3.

[ghidorahsaurus]

I will try to be short and sweet (opening the door for arguments and questioning).

Battle 1: Both Destroyah and Legion have all their abilities at their disposal.
Wow, without breaking down multiple times to “regenerate” or try to fight the swarm on their own turf, Destroyah has no way to battle the swarm (I know he "can" do that in this battle, just felt like screaming it out for some reason). I feel Destroyah will be so preoccupied with the swarm mother Legion will have ample time to target him with an EM shot or stab him multiple times. The combined might of the swarm and mother Legion will wear Destroyah down until he is no more (if the microbes can truly die from anything other than extreme temperatures). I vote Legion.

Battle 2: Destroyah's body-repairing ability is disabled.
Now Destroyah is really hurting. In my opinion, Legion wins this hands down.

Battle 3: Legion's swarm command is disabled.
Destroyah can micro-oxygen Legion to death, and then stroll up to her and cut off pieces with the katana horn. Even if this attack does not go completely through Legion, it will provide two good effects (good for D, bad for L). First, it will probably penetrate her armor enough for the gases she uses for movement to start escaping (“Look, Legion is deflating like a balloon!”). Second, micro-oxygen will enter Legion’s innards and start wrecking havoc. Destroyah wins his first battle! (Note: Destroyah’s micro-oxygen spray/beam is all over the place as far as where it hits his opponent – I see it hitting *below* Legion’s shield, cutting her “legs” out from under her, allowing him to attack the top of her head and body)

Battle 4: Both Destroyah's body-repairing ability and Legion's swarm command are disabled.
Hmmm…owww…this is the most interesting match. I like this one – gets rid of their “uber” abilities and makes it a true battle of power and fight intellect. Both have the power to dispose of the other – Legion’s would be easier, but her aim is so horrible. Destroyah can keep his distance and fire-at-will with the micro-oxygen, but I feel he will need to get in close to seal the deal. Unlike battle 3, if he takes a great amount of damage here, Legion will be able to take advantage and wear him down. I think it comes down to how much injury Destroyah inflicts before he lollygags in for the finisher. Too soon, and he eats a close-range EM shot. Otherwise, he successfully kills her. Though this is my favorite of the four battles, I am going to wimp out for now and call for an abstain. ;) Hopefully I can revisit this at a later date.

Final score: Legion 2, Destroyah 1.

Man, even when I try to keep my posts small they end up medium to large. :p Cool matchup and conditions Pyras. :thumbs:

[biochemitra]

Destroyah's armor isn't too thick. How can it be, when Destroyah is actually made up of millions of lil' microbes.


well we actually have no evidence of this. its more reallistic to assume the microbes simply evolveed into the man sized aggregates. for all we know she only came from one which was the sole survivor of the assault on them.
if she were made of microbes she could have easily turned her limbs into deadlier weapons than puny arms with tiny foreclaws.
?? Destroyah fled the scene once the spiral beam was in play. It literally ripped him apart.
that all depends on which scene goji used his beam. and still. 3 shots from the meltdown beam and desy was only bleeding badly? Im sorry but thats still the thickest armor godzillas ever faced. try that with MG, SG, KG, biollante,mothra, battra, rodan, MKG, or any other kaiju before or after that and it will litterally tear their limbs off.

Not even close. It may be destructive, but it's far from the force of the plasma grenade.

oh yes it does. Ill double check next time I see the movie but Im almost possitive it had the same kind of power.

[PyrasTerran]

for all we know she only came from one which was the sole survivor of the assault on them.

Unlikely. One little aggregate can't transform into the Final form on its own.

if she were made of microbes she could have easily turned her limbs into deadlier weapons than puny arms with tiny foreclaws.

Not really. She could still be made out of many and not have that ability. Doesn't Viras share the same trait?

that all depends on which scene goji used his beam. and still. 3 shots from the meltdown beam and desy was only bleeding badly? Im sorry but thats still the thickest armor godzillas ever faced. try that with MG, SG, KG, biollante,mothra, battra, rodan, MKG, or any other kaiju before or after that and it will litterally tear their limbs off.


All it took was one shot of the meltdown beam to go right THROUGH Destroyah's stomach, right through her chest cavity and out the other side. The other two attacks just further hampered on that wound.



oh yes it does. Ill double check next time I see the movie but Im almost possitive it had the same kind of power.

Almost doesn't cut it. The plasma grenade was able to actually lift Godzilla off of the ground with the force of it. The MO spray is just that: a spray. It's not meant for force.

[Tomzilla]

PyrasTerran-

All it took was one shot of the meltdown beam to go right THROUGH Destroyah's stomach, right through her chest cavity and out the other side. The other two attacks just further hampered on that wound.

Actually Pyras, that isn't true. You clearly see in the movie that on Godzilla's first shot, nothing comes out of his back. Right when Godzilla lets a rip, we see a longshot that manages to fit both monsters on the screen, and we don't see any wound of any kind on Destroyah's back. That and we would've actually seen the beam blaze through.

I always thought it happened on the third and final shot. Since Destroyah started to vomit, and it sounds more likely he did so only because his just had his organs and such vaporized. That and a big hole in his back.

[PyrasTerran]

I see, thanks for correcting me.

It may likely the the second or third, the third may make the most sense.

[RexRaptor]

Quite sure. If it couldn't cut all the way through Godzilla, I don't think it'll do much against Legion.



That manage to hit her? Oh yeah, I forgot, Legion's cross-eyed...

Anyhoo, any shots that do hit, will do A LOT of damage. Now don't start saying that I'm underestimating Destroyah's strength to withstand hits and abilities, but if a couple of slashs from the big G could cause her to bleed like that, then that tells me her skin is very fragile. It also tells me that Legion's beams will mutilate Des.Actually, it did. It was just Goji's new Super Regen that saved his hide.

[biochemitra]

exactly. because godzilla regenerated before he could fall apart its difficult to tell how powerful the horn katana is. but legion cant regenerate any more than most other kaiju so the horn katana could do some serious damage.

the plasma grenade could lift godzilla off the ground.

not true. I own GvsMG2 and have seen it dozens of times. the plasma grenade propels rodan through the air but it just knocks godzilla down.

[PyrasTerran]

I believe that "super regen" folks excuse Burning Godzilla with is total crap.

Godzilla's body was degenerating, breaking down, brittle. We saw that as his spines began to drip off. If anything, his regeneration would have been stunted because of his condition.

[PyrasTerran]

not true. I own GvsMG2 and have seen it dozens of times. the plasma grenade propels rodan through the air but it just knocks godzilla down.

I'm talking about the first fight, not the second.

[RobDowneyJr]

Round One:
Destroyah wins. Micro Oxygen and a slice from his horn would disable Legion enough to dispose of the swarm. Destroyah's micro-oxygen spray will take out the bugs like a can of raid. Then he can finish disposing of Legion.

Round 2:
Destroyah. Destroyah does not hesitate to attack so it shouldn't be a question of survival. He will most likely hit first and do enough damage to render legion mostly inaffective.

Round 3:
Destroyah, without the swarm, Destroyah will focus his efforts.

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Destroyah.

[Black Libra]

Actually, it did. It was just Goji's new Super Regen that saved his hide.

Super Regeneration? Don't make me laugh. Destroyah's horn did NOT go all the way through. If the horn actually went all the way through, his top half would be on the ground, no matter much regenerative ability he has.

Round One:
Destroyah wins. Micro Oxygen and a slice from his horn would disable Legion enough to dispose of the swarm. Destroyah's micro-oxygen spray will take out the bugs like a can of raid. Then he can finish disposing of Legion.

Round 2:
Destroyah. Destroyah does not hesitate to attack so it shouldn't be a question of survival. He will most likely hit first and do enough damage to render legion mostly inaffective.

Round 3:
Destroyah, without the swarm, Destroyah will focus his efforts.

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Destroyah.

Heheh. Tell me, have you even seen G2? Are you aware that Legion is faster then Destroyah? Are you aware that Legion has an extremely powerful beam? Are you aware that Destroyah's horn is a weak cutting weapon compared to Ultraseven's Eye Slugger? Hmmm?

[biochemitra]

I'm talking about the first fight, not the second.

so am I. the PC only knocked him down.

[PyrasTerran]

so am I. the PC only knocked him down.

Obviously, you're in need of re-watching that film.

Right after Godzilla is knocked down, the beam is shot again and actually lifts Godzilla up into the air from it, knocking him back several decameters from the force.

[Gorjirus]

Pyras-

Godzilla's body was degenerating, breaking down, brittle. We saw that as his spines began to drip off. If anything, his regeneration would have been stunted because of his condition.


His spines only fell off when he reached critical temperature. If he was that brittle, when Destroyah was dragging him around, he would have taken alot of damage. Think of it this way: it is explained that Godzilla is in his current condition because his nuclear reactor heart had overloaded, putting out to much energy, etc. Taht is why his BEAM is more powerful. All of his powers are boosted. His problem is too much energy. That is what causes the meltdown. But his regenration is a way to use some of that energy. Thus, his regeneration is boosted because of the extra energy, but they are still recieving too much energy, and thus the meltdown.

[PyrasTerran]

Think of it this way: it is explained that Godzilla is in his current condition because his nuclear reactor heart had overloaded, putting out to much energy, etc. Taht is why his BEAM is more powerful. All of his powers are boosted. His problem is too much energy. That is what causes the meltdown. But his regenration is a way to use some of that energy. Thus, his regeneration is boosted because of the extra energy, but they are still recieving too much energy, and thus the meltdown.

That's a somewhat valid theory, but it's still flawed. If Godzilla's body's regeneration was boosted, then we wouldn't be able to see his energy seeping out of his skin. For the light of his glowing patches to occur, the skin has to be very weak and thin. That's why the light patches weren't everywhere, some parts of his flesh were still perfectly intact and other parts were weakening.

[Gorjirus]

That isn't a flaw. His cells were full of energy, thus the glowing we see. That is the energy we see. The extra energy causes the glowing read affect, as when things in kaiju world become more powerful, they glow. And, as different cells in our bodies have different amounts of nutrients, it would make sense that even in the over powered state, the disspertion of the energy was uneven until the very end, when Godzilla actual melted, as that was when ALL cells could take no more. That energy we see released are some of the cells overloading, but in such relatively small amounts that death or a large amount of damage is not caused.

[Saruman]

Godzilla's body was destroying itself. It only melted down at 1200 degrees, the entire time in the movie his body was constantly being destroyed from the inside out. It is the fact that his regeneration was so good that he was able to stay alive as long as he did. He also had no control over his powers as his beam strength varried greatly from scene to scene, showing just how little control he actually had. He was DYING, for some reason people overlook that little fact.

[PyrasTerran]

That isn't a flaw. His cells were full of energy, thus the glowing we see. That is the energy we see. The extra energy causes the glowing read affect, as when things in kaiju world become more powerful, they glow. And, as different cells in our bodies have different amounts of nutrients, it would make sense that even in the over powered state, the disspertion of the energy was uneven until the very end, when Godzilla actual melted, as that was when ALL cells could take no more. That energy we see released are some of the cells overloading, but in such relatively small amounts that death or a large amount of damage is not caused.

I have to disagree, I didn't see it as the cells glowing because of being boosted with energy. nothing of Godzilla's state was as productive as you're making it out to be. To quote Saruman,:
Godzilla's body was destroying itself. It only melted down at 1200 degrees, the entire time in the movie his body was constantly being destroyed from the inside out. It is the fact that his regeneration was so good that he was able to stay alive as long as he did. He also had no control over his powers as his beam strength varried greatly from scene to scene, showing just how little control he actually had. He was DYING, for some reason people overlook that little fact.

[Gorjirus]

I have to disagree, I didn't see it as the cells glowing because of being boosted with energy

Out of curiosity, what do you think caused the glowing effect? Not being a smart alect or anything, but I would love to hear your theory on the matter.

[Cole Deschain]

Radiation eating him alive, maybe?

Intense enough radiation does cause a glow, you know. Like enough radiation to illuminate the hands of a wristwatch.

[Gorjirus]

That's is almost the same as my theory, the overloading of cells them being destroyed.

[Goj2K]

Super Regeneration? Don't make me laugh. Destroyah's horn did NOT go all the way through. If the horn actually went all the way through, his top half would be on the ground, no matter much regenerative ability he has.

Black Libra you have no clue do you

godzilla in his meltdown form his powers increased by alot even his regeneration. I'll admit destroyahs horn beam isn't the strongest cutter but id did indeed cut through godzilla go watch GvD again and pause to see it instead of saying stuff you think is true

[Seer235]

You're about 4 1/2 years too late to be responding to someone's comments in this match. Make sure to check the dates on these matches--this one has been dead for a long time.