Dear Darth reaper,

[Godzilla guy]

http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif You seem to talk about a lot of intresting things so you wanna talk? I love the subject of supernatural things, king kong and monsters I love talking about those things and you seem to have good taste so reply and we will talk.

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>Umm, if you want to talk to him specifically, why don't you just send him a private message?

[Darth Reaper]

Wow, now people are creating threads addressed to me. &nbsp;I guess I'm finally going places.

Unfortunately, when it comes to coming up with stories, I'm more of an idea man. &nbsp;I come up with interesting plots, but I'm not sure that I could actually turn them into stories. &nbsp;Also, I'm a perfectionist who doesn't have the patience for trial and error, which means that I have to meet my own standards with my first try. &nbsp;And, what sounds good to me at one time in my own writing, seems kind of corny later on.

My dream is to hook up with someone like Clint, who clearly has a gift for writing, and have them bring my ideas to life.

[Godzilla maniac]

What you said to clint about werewolves was wrong by the way, you can remove the poison from the bite with a special machine thus making the werewolf destroyed without killing the human insde.

[Morgoth]

Uh, says who? Last I checked werewolves were mythical creatures, ehnce you can have any take on them that you like. Personally, my interpretation of a werewolf infection is that it is as much a taint of soul as it is of body, hence, unless they have a machine that can clean a soul, there isn't a way to 'draw the poison out'.

But again, that is only my take, just as Darth Reaper's version is his own interpretation. That's part of the fun to mythical creatures, you can reinvent them. Sometimes people like the reinterpretation, sometimes they don't, but that is true of any imaginative endeavor.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

On the matter of your ideas for werewolves being cause by a virus in the same matter as the vamps in the *BLADE flicks. Some good suggestion there. However I have a thought on the matter that I've been kicking around in my noggin on the subject of werewolves for a while. this came to me after reading an issue of Fangoria when I read an interview with the make-up srtist on BUFFY-THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. In it they talked about how with vampirism that it is something similar to a degenerative disease. If vampires are luckly not to be taken out early in thier (un)lives ,and they manage to live quite a long time they go through changes. Apparently they'd eventually devolve into a more bat-like appearance permanently, unable to shift into a more human-looking appearance. The Master from the first season was one such vamp, along with another named Kristos, whose feet developed into cloven hooves, and ended up with three fingeredhands.

Now what if lycantropy had this same effect on those infected with it. As time goes on, and as the virus reproduces more from the transformation from human to wolf, what if more of it was left over after the tranformation back to human. After awhile changes start occuring to that person's appearace when they're human. Other than the nastier personality when in human form first thier eyes retain that yellow color when in human form. Ears stay at points in human form, claws remain, even teeth reamain at points. So the elder of the pack end up looking a bit more wolf than human during day. Any thoughts on this.

[Darth Reaper]

Your idea is interesting THE ONE AND ONLY, but since vampires don't seem to suffer from that kind of degenerative problem in the BLADE movies, I don't think werewolves should have that problem either.

To Clint, I too like the idea of the werewolf curse being as much a spiritual afliction as it is a physical one. &nbsp;In fact, I might go even further and say that it's primarily a spiritual afliction. &nbsp;If you were to take a sample of a werewolf's blood when he/she is in human form, you'd find nothing wrong with them. &nbsp;There would be no Physical abnormalities whatsoever. &nbsp;And, if you took a blood sample when he/she is in beast form, the blood might look just like that of an ordinary wolf of some kind. &nbsp;In my ideal story, one who suffers from the werewolf curse wouldn't be able to find salvation in science.

As for the werewolves that I designed for the BLADE movies, the reason that they are the way they are is because I was working within the framework that they had created for the movies. &nbsp;According to BLADE, vampires are the product of a virus, so it made sense to me that werewolves should be the product of some kind of virus too.

And, to Godzilla maniac, let's just say that werewolves are no easier to cure than vampires are. &nbsp;In fact, it might be even harder.

[Godzilla guy]

I heard that werewolves roam round deep forests and when they bite people there blood gets into the blood of human beings thus when the full moon rises it causes some kind of reaction with the human making him become a werewolf at the full moon. But I also heard that when you are bitten you keep getting more wolflike and eventually you will escape your home and run into the forest and stay as a werewolf. But if you put these two ideas together it makes out that you have to be bitten by a full werewolf. Then at a full moon you become a werewolf for a night. Then you will become a werewolf more often untill finally you are a full werewolf. Of course in the effect of taking blood samples I suppose that the more you have changed the more the blood will indicate wolf blood. So I suppose that if you had your blood taken when you had only transformed once at the full moon then it will not be clear. But a week later when you have transformed three times it will become clearer. I also saw a movie that says a werewolf can only pass the 'deasisie' effectively on the full moon.

If you look at it another way old legends claim that a 'werewolf' is a human who transforms into a wolf once every month at the full moon. This states that there is no in between wolf man it is just a man that at the full moon starts pouncing around his room starts itching then drops on too all fours and runs out into the night as a wolf. Then when the sun rises they collapse and are found as an asleep naked person who thinks it was all a dream and goes on in there life.

Both views are intresting but personally I like the old myth instead of the recent blade movies and such. What do you lot think?

On the subject of defeat you cannot rid the curse according to the novel I read you are doomed to transform once a month at the full moon. and run free as a wolf. Your human appearence does not change unless it is a full moon and your blood remains the same unless you have transformed. Personally I don't like the thing about silver bullets in the brain to rid of a curse - what can silver bullets do?
So what is your opinion?

[Darth Reaper]

According to the BLADE movies, vampires have an extreme alergic reaction to silver. &nbsp;In my story werewolves do to. &nbsp;That's why silver can harm them, and in some cases even kill them. &nbsp;The reason that you have to shoot them in the brain is because the virus starts to affect you in your brain, hence you're attacking it at the source.

[Godzilla guy]

Hmm good idea but how do people get effected by 'the virus' in your story?

And what is it called anyway?

[Darth Reaper]

Do you mean how do they get infected by the virus? &nbsp;It's the same as always. &nbsp;If you get bitten by a werewolf and live, the virus is spread to you.

As for how the virus affects you, as I said before it starts out in your brain, then works its way to your body. &nbsp;You start having nightmares and halucinations, like in AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON. &nbsp;Then, your senses start to become more accute. &nbsp;Then, you might start to suffer from mood swings and personality changes. &nbsp;Finally, as the virus works its way into the rest of your body, you might start to feel sick and suffer from lack of energy, because the virus has started to transform your body.

As for what this virus is called, I'm not sure. &nbsp;I'm not good with technical lingo. &nbsp;I'm not even sure if the vampire virus from BLADE has a scientific name.

[Darth Reaper]

Oh, and I forgot to mention this earlier, like with vampires in BLADE, a person can be born a werewolf.

[Jeremy Sand]

My understanding was that the Virus that causes Werewolfs is called Lycanthropy, and it was the virus, not just the condition, that had that name.
And Clint, Darth, and others, what do you guys think of other forms of lycanthropy, like were tigers, werepanthers, werebears, were crocodiles. Would they exisit as well? Are wolves the only ones to pass on thier form to humans, or could other preditors or animals also exhist in your fictional worlds like Blade or the New Era?
I personally like the idea of Were Tigers, and lke to have them portrayed as less savage and brutal then Werewolves, able to retain more of thier humanity. But in anycase, a weretiger is no doubt stronger then a werewolf, right?
Just adding in my 2 cents, and would like to know yours.
Be back with you all real soon,
Jeremy Sand.

[Godzilla guy]

Hmm Were tigers are a good perspective but I like the thing about there is no 'werewolf' just a man who if he has been bitten on the full moon will turn into a wolf once every full moon. Weretigers could be the same if you are bitten by one you change into a weretiger a month from the day you are bitten. So how about if you are bitten by a weretiger on say January 19th then on Febuary 19th you would escape your home to become a weretige. Just for fun I have made a paragraph about a guy who was bitten by a weretiger last month and this is the night he transforms:

The were-tiger


Why can't I sleep? The man thought. Err normally I sleep so well... Exactly a month ago that tiger broke into my house and bit my arm but that must have nothing to do with it... The man thought. He got out of bed and felt slightly uncomfortable... He started walking round his room for no reason he felt claustrophobic like he was trapped. Then his eyes changed color very suddenly and a roar escaped his mouth. &quot;Whats going on!&quot; The man said suddenly tiny ornage and black furs sprouted on his skin as he started to scratch. Then a long orange tail came out his back. Then the claws and teeth came and his clothes just did not fit him any more. He let out another roar now fully tiger and pounced out the window and ran into the night.

So what do you guys think of my passage about a weretiger? Oh and by the way Jeremy it is still your idea i'm not stealing I am just toying round with the idea.
So what do you guys think??

[Darth Reaper]

I'm not sure that I want to go too far with the 'wereanimal' idea. &nbsp;Things could get mighty crowded that way.

And, weretigers wouldn't get to be stronger than werewolves in my vision of things. &nbsp;tigers may be bigger and stronger than wolves, but these aren't ordinary wolves and tigers, now are they? &nbsp;Maybe they'd be as strong as werewolves, but not stronger.

Also, weretigers would probably be just as animalistic as werewolves.

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>Or perhaps we could have weresharks. I know that some cultures in the Pacific islands do believe in a form of lycanthropy where people become sharks, although I do believe that they tend to look at it as more of a blessing than a curse (since these cultures revere sharks).

[Darth Reaper]

Actually, I had left some room in my mind for different kinds of wereanimals. &nbsp;Basically, they'd be different strains of the same virus, or the same virus causing different kinds of transformations.

And, Zigra, you might find this interesting. &nbsp;One idea that I'm thinking about is a variation on merfolk (mermaids and mermen, you know). &nbsp;However, these won't be the sweet, innocent, and noble creatures that we saw in the likes of SPLASH, and THE LITTLE MERMAID. &nbsp;My merfolk would be more akin to the seductive yet monsterous creature that we saw in the made-for-cable remake of THE SHE-CREATURE (anybody remember that one). &nbsp;I might even incorperate some elements of The Deep Ones into the mix. &nbsp;What do you think?

[Zigra]

Quote[/b] (Darth Reaper @ Aug. 30 2003,21:40)]And, Zigra, you might find this interesting. *One idea that I'm thinking about is a variation on merfolk (mermaids and mermen, you know). *However, these won't be the sweet, innocent, and noble creatures that we saw in the likes of SPLASH, and THE LITTLE MERMAID. *My merfolk would be more akin to the seductive yet monsterous creature that we saw in the made-for-cable remake of THE SHE-CREATURE (anybody remember that one). *I might even incorperate some elements of The Deep Ones into the mix. *What do you think?
<font color='#0000FF'>Heh heh, sounds cool to me. We ocean critters will take over the surface world all in good time &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/zigrasmilie.gif

[Darth Reaper]

Seeing as how I have my own thread now, I figure that this is a good place to put this one idea that I'm working on. &nbsp;It revolves around what I call &quot;The Ten Plagues of Arabis (or Erebis if you prefer, I've seen it spelled both ways). &nbsp;As you may or may not recall, at one point in the movie Blade finds a series of pieces of paper that are held in glass containers. &nbsp;These were pages from The Book of Arabis, also refered to by Blade as the Vampire bible. &nbsp;If was a record of the entire history of Vampires. &nbsp;Also, if I recall correctly, the ruling body of the Vampire Nation is refered to as the House of Arabis.

I've decided to take this word 'Arabis' and create a character from it. &nbsp;Along with this character comes the origin of how creatures like Vampires and Werewolves and such first came into existence. &nbsp;Here's what I have so far.

The Ten Plagues of Arabis

Long ago, there was an ancient god named Arabis. &nbsp;Arabis was a god of chaos, and he enjoyed nothing more than inflicting torment and mysery upon other living beings. &nbsp;His malice and cruelty were matched only by his deviousness and cunning.

No one was safe from Arabis, sometimes not even the other gods. &nbsp;Gods can't die but they can suffer, and Arabis found plenty of ways to make them suffer on all kinds of levels. &nbsp;Something had to be done, for the sakes of mortals and immortals alike. &nbsp;So, the other gods rallied together to find a solution.

Arabis knew that the other gods would be coming for him soon, it had to happen eventually. &nbsp;So, Arabis decided to leave a lasting mark upon the face of humanity, &nbsp;to leave a legacy that would ensure that no one would ever forget his name. &nbsp;To do this Arabis created ten plagues and then unleashed them upon the human race; ten plagues that would spread death and destruction, chaos and mysery wherever they went. &nbsp;These ten plagues were the genesis for many of the creatures that we know from myth and legend:

1) Vampires
2) Wereanimals
3) The Succubus (female) and the Incubus (male)
4) The Undead (zombies, mummies, etc)
5) Goblins
6) Trolls
7) Gargoyles
8) Merfolk
9) Gorgons
10) Giants (ogers, cyclops, etc)

The other gods did come for Arabis, and since even they couldn't kill him, they decided to imprison him instead. &nbsp;They locked him away in a secret location, never to know freedom again. &nbsp;But, even though Arabis was gone, his ten plagues remained. &nbsp;If it had been something like a curse or a magic spell, the gods could have easily lifted it and spared the people, but a plague, a disease, a virus, these are all part of human life. &nbsp;A virus is something that mortals must learn to deal with every day. &nbsp;Thus was the genius of Arabis' plan, by having his legacy take the form of ten viruses, things that were a fact of the mortal life, he prevented the other gods from simply removing the plague from us. &nbsp;As unfair as it may seem, a plague is a human problem, and it's something that humans must learn to deal with. &nbsp;That is the way of things.

So, though Arabis was gone, his legacy remained, and they've remained amongst us to this day.

So, what do you think guys? &nbsp;Bear in mind that this story is still a work-in-progress, so feel free to give me any suggestions that you might have that could help me make the story better. &nbsp;Talk to me.

[Godzilla guy]

I like the main idea of the story but the name 'Arabis' remindes me of Arabia but I like the idea maybe you could make a book called 'Arabis and his seven plaugues'. In the 'fan fiction hub' I have put a story called horror of the werewolf you guys could read it and comment on it and tell me what u think. By the way I thought merpeople were not evil they are good in some stories and religons. Just my comment.

[THE ONE AND ONLY]

Not to nitpick Darth, but you misspelled Erebus. Its basically Cerebus(the three headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades) without the &quot; C&quot;.

[Godzilla guy]

I just found out something about werewolves, you can get people called lycanthrope's that are people but beleive they are woves. They go around on four legs in graveyards and there hands are bleeding and they do nt remember when they start acting like a wolf. Legend has it that this is a real deasise. Maye you could you lycanthope in your story Darth Reaper as punishments or something.

[Darth Reaper]

What do you mean by 'punishment' exactly Godzilla guy?

[Godzilla maniac]

What I think godzillaguy means is people take away there lives by turning them into lycanthropes it takes away there life because they are doomed to act like a wolf but still in human form for ther rest of there life, just a suggestion.

[Kaiser Kronos]

<font color='orange'>I wrote the first of an entire series of stories about werewolves fighting vampires. The battle has spread to the Thunder in the East story even. I think Werewolf Vs. Vampire is a conflict which develops naturally. Certainly better then Freddy Vs. Jason.

[Godzilla guy]

I will be sure to read your story, but right now my stori is in the fan ficition hub it is about werewolves or my view on them anyway

[Godzilla guy]

Wow, looking back I realise this was a really stupid topic. ;)

[LizardKing]

Uh... So you bumped up a stupid topic just to say it was stupid?
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[Kaiser Kronos]

I heard that werewolves roam round deep forests and when they bite people there blood gets into the blood of human beings thus when the full moon rises it causes some kind of reaction with the human making him become a werewolf at the full moon. But I also heard that when you are bitten you keep getting more wolflike and eventually you will escape your home and run into the forest and stay as a werewolf. But if you put these two ideas together it makes out that you have to be bitten by a full werewolf. Then at a full moon you become a werewolf for a night. Then you will become a werewolf more often untill finally you are a full werewolf. Of course in the effect of taking blood samples I suppose that the more you have changed the more the blood will indicate wolf blood. So I suppose that if you had your blood taken when you had only transformed once at the full moon then it will not be clear. But a week later when you have transformed three times it will become clearer. I also saw a movie that says a werewolf can only pass the 'deasisie' effectively on the full moon.

If you look at it another way old legends claim that a 'werewolf' is a human who transforms into a wolf once every month at the full moon. This states that there is no in between wolf man it is just a man that at the full moon starts pouncing around his room starts itching then drops on too all fours and runs out into the night as a wolf. Then when the sun rises they collapse and are found as an asleep naked person who thinks it was all a dream and goes on in there life.


That's all from Hollywood, my friend. All from Hollywood. :hmmm:

[Darth Reaper]

Wow, looking back I realise this was a really stupid topic.- Godzilla guy

I think I'm going to cry. :(

[Godzilla guy]

I think I'm going to cry. :(

Nothing personal, it's just now I am more educated about the way of the forum.

[godzillamaster66]

that's not very nice what you said.........