Unused plot for Gamera 3

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>Back when Gamera 3 was in the early planning stages, there was another storyline that apparently was almost made instead of the one we know now. This storyline would have involved Gamera battling a second, evil Gamera that was out to destroy humanity, and this storyline would have also involved some sort of sea monster. Does anybody know any more details for this unused plot?

[Enshohma]

News to me, Zigra, but maybe Cam or Kpa could help us out.

The only unmade 90's Gamera concepts I'm aware of is the original idea for &quot;Gamera 2&quot; in which space squid Viras was to return as the main opponent, until film's overseers decided upon a new character instead, which ended up being Legion.

Also, I've read in interviews with either Shusuke Kaneko or Shinji Higuchi (most likely the latter) that during preproduction of &quot;Gamera Guardian of the Universe&quot; they wanted Gamera's new look to be more like a sea turtle and quite different from the original design. Daiei disliked the idea, so &quot;Fancy Sea Turtle Gamera&quot; never went through and the old design was brought back and updated.

I hope that helped in some way.

[WitchKing667]

<font color='#000F22'>I know for a fact that Iris was originally designed as a sea monster, so yes, there was a sea battle originally planned for Gamera 3.

[GMAN2887]

The original ending for Gamera 3 was to fast foward several hundred years later and all of mankind is exinct, but Gamera and the Gyaos continue their fight anyway. Rather errie that all that's left is the battle between Gamera and the Gyaos that, but really I do enjoy the ending for G3 we got much more. So much emotion in that marching, impailed, dearmed, bloodied up super turtle. What a character.

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>That's not what I was talking about. Apparently, when G3 was still on the drawing board, there was a completely different storyline that was almost used instead of the one we know now.

[The Great MM]

You mean that plot Kenenko came up with by having Gamera be humanity's worse enemy and killer like GMK but Deie didn't approve because Gammy is good?

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>Yeah, there's that. But there was also another storyline developed *after* Daiei's rejection of the &quot;evil Gamera&quot; storyline which would have involved Gamera fighting a second, more malevolent Gamera that wanted to destroy humanity. The plot would have also involved some sort or sea monster, which may have been some sort of &quot;proto-Irys&quot;, judging by what WitchKing said.

[Showa Mothra #1]

The script writer for the film wanted to turn Gamera into a bad guy, as Zigra pointed out, however, Kaneko felt it would be, well, a bit too much out of his character, so that's why they did the whole ''broken connection'' thing. And yes, Iris was suppose a underwater sea monster, as you can see in the film.

BTW, Zigra, did you see the film? If not, I suggest you see it, because it's a good movie.

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>OT: Yeah, I've seen it. The SPFX and the monster scenes were awsome, but I'm afraid I wasn't too impressed with the storyline. It played out kinda like a bad episode of &quot;Vampire Princess Miyu&quot; with kaiju thrown in the mix (if you don't know, VPM is an anime horror series).

Add to that the fact that Irys looked startlingly similar to your typical tentacled hentai demon, and the scene where he &quot;merges&quot; with Ayana was a little too reminescent of one of those......scenes....that those creatures often take part in. Trust me, I really do not like the idea of kaiju films being taken in that direction.

The film also seemed to be a complete rehash of Gamera:GOTU (you know, the whole &quot;Gamera fights Gyaos, people are killed in the process and blame Gamera, and Gamera eventually kills the bad monster at the climax to proove to skeptics that he is indeed good&quot; angle), which was a huge letdown for me. Perhaps I was expecting a little too much, after having really enjoyed Gamera 2.

Of course, the more I think about it, the less I dislike it. I guess my initial dissapointments have left a bad taste in my mouth that I've never really gotten rid of http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[RadoGoji]

<font color='#FF7F00'>Do you think that this unused plot was somehow going to involve the &quot;beta version&quot; Gameras at the beginning of the movie?

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>It's possible. I guess we may never know. I know I would have prefered some more exploration of the &quot;Gamera graveyard&quot; over the same old &quot;Gamera fights Gyaos....again&quot; scenerio.

[Daikaijuking]

Quote[/b] (Heisei Mothra @ Mar. 01 2004,20:33)]The script writer for the film wanted to turn Gamera into a bad guy, as Zigra pointed out, however, Kaneko felt it would be, well, a bit too much out of his character, so that's why they did the whole ''broken connection'' thing. And yes, Iris was suppose a underwater sea monster, as you can see in the film.

BTW, Zigra, did you see the film? If not, I suggest you see it, because it's a good movie.
Yea, Iris was like a squid like kaiju. And if you have the uh Atari or A something company DVd you go to the interveiw with the director of speciasl effects and he tells you Instead of that sky battle it was suppose to be underwater becasue Iris was suppose to be like an aquatic animal.

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (Zigra @ Mar. 01 2004,22:02)]Add to that the fact that Irys looked startlingly similar to your typical tentacled hentai demon, and the scene where he &quot;merges&quot; with Ayana was a little too reminescent of one of those......scenes....that those creatures often take part in. Trust me, I really do not like the idea of kaiju films being taken in that direction.
True, that part disturbed me too, but Kaneko was smart enough to put in all the parts with Irys sucking the life out of something to counterbalance... sorta. &nbsp;Anyways, after she goes adult, the &quot;tentacle-rape monster&quot; resemblance disappears, and instead we're treated to good ol' bizarre, alien, and almost ethereal Irys!

http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/iryssmilie.gif

[Zigra]

<font color='#0000FF'>Yeah. I only wish she had lasted a bit longer. The final battle was cool, but way too brief for my liking (another dissapointment I had with the film).

[Roehm]

Yeah that finally battle was sort, but killer http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif &nbsp;. I still like what the Gyaos that fell out of the sky looked like. Him flailing with one eye hanging out and a broken jaw

[Husnock]

Quote[/b] (Radenoff @ Mar. 19 2004,23:33)]Yeah that finally battle was sort, but killer http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif *. I still like what the Gyaos that fell out of the sky looked like. Him flailing with one eye hanging out and a broken jaw
Actually, we're talking about the final battle is with Irys. *While a cool fight, the battle you're thinking of was the first battle in G3. *That Gyaos fight was pretty cool, though. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Roehm]

Sorry I worded that wrong, I meant that the finally battle with Iyrs was short. But I also stated that to mutalated gyaos looked cool too.

[PyrasTerran]

Quote[/b] ]Add to that the fact that Irys looked startlingly similar to your typical tentacled hentai demon, and the scene where he &quot;merges&quot; with Ayana was a little too reminescent of one of those......scenes....that those creatures often take part in. Trust me, I really do not like the idea of kaiju films being taken in that direction.


Eh, the way I see it, that part would only disturb someone who's actually seen the hentais of tentacles.

[SuperXAsh]

Gamera vs. an evil Gamera would've been cool. That or a &quot;malfunctioning&quot; Gamera brought back to life from the Beta-Gamera graveyard.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kinggojismilie.gif &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/gamerasmilie.gif &nbsp;http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/kingkongsmilie.gif

[Husnock]

I can't help but wonder if some of the concepts/ideas from this old plot leaked through into the current G3...

[Zigra]

Quote[/b] (PyrasTerran @ Mar. 29 2004,14:17)]Eh, the way I see it, that part would only disturb someone who's actually seen the hentais of tentacles.
<font color='#0000FF'>Heh, indeed, you're right ( http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif ). However, that doesn't discount (nor does it justify) the fact that those &quot;tentacle hentai&quot; films were clearly the inspiration behind Irys.