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Emperor Violenjiger
March 20th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Here I am, wondering what the hell you guys think about the RV stories? With the never ending threat of facing an apocalyptic doom in the Dark Ages of Roostville, do you think the stories are getting old and fast...?

Lets see what we have:
Rebuiling Roostville - Hellspawn attempts Black Mass ceremony in hopes of starting up "Armageddon." When that failed and Hellspawn was transfigured into a demon he tried to make Armageddon come by hand.
Resurrection of Desutoroia - The presence of Apocalypse was endangering to not just Roostville, but the entire world as he had the potential for power to finish what Hellspawn started in the previous story. His goal was the same, bring upon Armageddon and seize control over the Earth/Utopia.
48 Hours 'Til Apocalypse - With the city of Roostville literally stuck in limbo, somewhere between Earth and Nightmare Realm, Mephistophelian begins breeding an army of Cyborg Rodans and takes control over an alien advice in another attempt to claim the Earth. After the 48 hour countdown is over, he releases his Cyborg Rodans into the city!
Separation of Desutoroia - After asending into a Godlike being, Khandejifer planned to slowly corrupt the world without abusing his powers... and eventually become the core conscience of the planet and make it his base of operations for universal domination and conquest of the galaxy.
Revenge of Apocalypse - The Blue Devil and his army of Hierophants are freed from their prison and wage an all-out Holy War atop of Mt. Rodan against the human race in an attempt to begin reclaiming everything that once belonged to him millenia ago. Kronos still wants to possess the powers of Utopia...

So, does the fight for the Earth ever get old.... Or does the different way that each battle is represented keept the readers reading, and keep everything new and fresh?

Raptor
March 21st, 2005, 12:57 AM
I'd say the idea is kept quite fresh and exciting myself, maybe because familiar characters (such as the Guardians) are returning. At the same time, THEY are being further defined, both in their prehistory and in how they handle the new threats. As well, "there is a method to this madness", don't forget! ;)

Archaic_Avenger
March 21st, 2005, 02:29 PM
i say the apocalypse scenario is really fun, and cool, most of the time. the only problem i see with it, is letting the reader have too much desperation, so much apocalypse that it gets... not so dramatic anymore. i mean, after so many Armaggedon's you get kinda used to it, and they're no longer that bad of a situation anymore. personally, i think we should have more situations of back alley struggles, than the entire world against a force of evil. those kinds of stories are great, but there are so many of them, a less desperate situation would help ease the mind. if we could have more personaly struggles, then it would be pretty cool.

i think a franchise for the most part, needs at least one Apocalypse Scenario. but they have to be careful if they do it more than once. Roostville has done it so many times, and yet it still holds up well. it simply gets to the point where all of our struggles are about the fate of the universe, and that makes them all more generic than anything, and less special. you just cant get as excited about every armagedon as we do about, say, the Apocalypse (character) ones. its not that it gets old, just that we get used to it; too much so. if we could have a good number more of the personal struggles (like Separation was before Khandejifer turned himself god) than we'd have all our bases covered.

Rodan2000

Emperor Violenjiger
March 21st, 2005, 07:49 PM
i say the apocalypse scenario is really fun, and cool, most of the time. the only problem i see with it, is letting the reader have too much desperation, so much apocalypse that it gets... not so dramatic anymore. i mean, after so many Armaggedon's you get kinda used to it, and they're no longer that bad of a situation anymore. personally, i think we should have more situations of back alley struggles, than the entire world against a force of evil. those kinds of stories are great, but there are so many of them, a less desperate situation would help ease the mind. if we could have more personaly struggles, then it would be pretty cool.

i think a franchise for the most part, needs at least one Apocalypse Scenario. but they have to be careful if they do it more than once. Roostville has done it so many times, and yet it still holds up well. it simply gets to the point where all of our struggles are about the fate of the universe, and that makes them all more generic than anything, and less special. you just cant get as excited about every armagedon as we do about, say, the Apocalypse (character) ones. its not that it gets old, just that we get used to it; too much so. if we could have a good number more of the personal struggles (like Separation was before Khandejifer turned himself god) than we'd have all our bases covered.

Rodan2000
What was wrong with Separation after Khandejifer became... GodLIKE? I think the personal struggle between him and Desutoroia only got more intensified... I mean, the final showdowns towards the end were very... very... personal between them. The entire story was just a built up for that one moment at the Steel Mill.

As for personal struggles, RVTS deals with personal struggles until the War Of The Cosmos six parter. Episodes 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 are about the personal struggles of RV's characters against Mephistophelian, in an everyday TV show fashion. So, I think you will like that. And as for the Apocalyptic scenarios... well, Murder, 48 Hours and Separation (which was pointed out) aren't really all that apocalyptic... Gb for Mayor Part 2 and Resurrection were, I suppose as one carried its story unto the other. But I don't find 48 Hours that apoclayptic, its just the stakes are a little bit high.

Now, I'm curious as to whether or not you'll enjoy the "War of The Cosmos" mini-series in RVTS. Lets compare it to the Holy Wars of "Revenge of Apocalypse." That was not even really a war, it was just a bunch of police and militia battling Cenobites at Mt. Rodan, while the Guardians fought against their ruler/master, and now he's taking the fight to the city. The War of the Cosmos deals with much greater stakes, as Death The Soul Reaper takes over the entire EARTH in Part 1.... ROA is at Part 5, and Apoclaypse still hasn't taken over the Earth yet..... Parts 2, 3, 4 and 5 are going to be written as a full scale WAR inspired by the visuals I was presented with in "Return of the King." The people of RV, and the Earth are living underground and have lost all hope until Part 3 when UberGeek finally convinces there may be soemthing worth fighting for... when we are introduced to the biggest fight ever, YET, as the humans who have lost their home.... battle to reclaim it.

I think you'll enjoy Theos Gaia Uprising, as its sort of a personal struggle between Hellspawn and Mephistophelian, and there's no real apocalyptic threat (although Mephisto is obsessed with literally blowing up RV while all of its inhabitants are there). Mephisto really wants to take over Faerun, and most of the story takes place in the Nightmare Realm, after a certain point... Aswell, Theos Gaia may be powerful, but in the end he is destroyed and poses no immediate apocalyptic danger.

RVTS DX has a few sagas... Can't be sure which one's you'll like and which won't surprise you... Well, the Mephisto saga will. :) I dunno about the Khandejifer saga, but it might just do the trick. ;)

Raptor
March 21st, 2005, 08:31 PM
As for personal struggles, RVTS deals with personal struggles until the War Of The Cosmos six parter. Yes. Look at Ubergeek's near death scene on Mt. Rodan.Episodes 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 are about the personal struggles of RV's characters against Mephistophelian, in an everyday TV show fashion.
Lets compare it to the Holy Wars of "Revenge of Apocalypse." That was not even really a war, it was just a bunch of police and militia battling Cenobites at Mt. Rodan, while the Guardians fought against their ruler/master, and now he's taking the fight to the city. This is what got "lost" somewhere along the line, considering the "body counts" and bloodbath the battlefield ended up being. :angry: Zax had 100 or so of his minions up there! Pimp had all his mob records and told the other Kaiju Nations about it. How many troops would YOU send against 100 mobsters, YOUR ENTIRE MILITARY? I don't think so, folks! No military action should even have been considered until Ubergeek told JJ about the Blue Devil being revived. THEN we can bring in the big guns and the LEVIATHON and stuff like that. No problem with Rado and his RMB armor. Using the MILITIA is also OK but you're not going to have them available now to defend Roostville and the war is coming to the streets, people so you better get creative! :look: Mt. Rodan is a SQUIRMISH compared what is supposed to happen later so expect some comments about "toning down" the battle aspects with the ground forces and all. It really makes the READABILITY of RVTS not work very well...

Emperor Violenjiger
March 21st, 2005, 08:37 PM
Yes. Look at Ubergeek's near death scene on Mt. Rodan. This is what got "lost" somewhere along the line, considering the "body counts" and bloodbath the battlefield ended up being. :angry: Zax had 100 or so of his minions up there! Pimp had all his mob records and told the other Kaiju Nations about it. How many troops would YOU send against 100 mobsters, YOUR ENTIRE MILITARY? I don't think so, folks! No military action should even have been considered until Ubergeek told JJ about the Blue Devil being revived. THEN we can bring in the big guns and the LEVIATHON and stuff like that. No problem with Rado and his RMB armor. Using the MILITIA is also OK but you're not going to have them available now to defend Roostville and the war is coming to the streets, people so you better get creative! :look: Mt. Rodan is a SQUIRMISH compared what is supposed to happen later so expect some comments about "toning down" the battle aspects with the ground forces and all. It really makes the READABILITY of RVTS not work very well...I am sorry, as that is really all my fault as I'm the one that introduced that storyline into the Revenge Round Robin. Guess I wasn't really thinking about the readability, or believability of the story when I wrote it. As it was all just a ploy to make the tension of the story even greater. The militia's use was just to emphasize how... much of a dangerous the authorities considered Zax to be.

Raptor
March 21st, 2005, 08:59 PM
Going after Zax and then running into the Blue Devil works great! It's more of a LOGISTICS problem than "bad" storytelling. The PLOT is excellent and an "new approach" to the "apocalypse" scenario this way; it's initiated by a common CROOK! :laugh: Then CHARACTERIZATION (again, EXCELLENT) comes into play. We have Uber's near death, Earth Baragon, Afiag, etc. GOOD STUFF! And more to come!
I'd suggest EVERYONE take a look at Eps. 2-5 and see where things started getting away from the POLICE ACTION against Zax and next thing you know, just about every military the Kaiju Nations has is involved. A key is when Uber tells Jet about the BD being revived. THEN maybe we could see some troops BUT we do have the Guardians. Uber TAKES OFF FROM THE GARRISON to recon and set up his signal. So how can the Afiags take HIM for a little "ride"?
We don't have "major" problems with the three episodes by any means so get out there and trash some Cenos! :devil: