Aerial Only Bloodbath: GFW Gigan 2 vs. Irys

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

Powered up Gigan vs. Irys in an air-only battle.




Who do you think would win this flaming mid-flight dance of death?

[Shadow]

Hmm...is Irys linked with Ayana? I need to know before I go any further.

[Gorjirus]

It depends on how long the fight lasts. Irys let Gamera get in real close to her befre she began to retaliate. If Gigan gets in close, he will be chainsawing away. He might cut off a few tentacles before Irys retaliates. Now, it all depends on how many tentacles Irys has left. Or if she can still fly. I am guessing that i you fal, you lose. However, Irys could still easily win.

[PyrasTerran]

Not really.

Gigan has as much aerial prowess as Irys does, and he's basically a flying knife. Simple swipes of his arms when behind Irys would soon leave him tentacle-less, and the tentacles are important to his flight. It's like taking the tentacles off an octopus and expecting it to swim well.

[anguirus55]

Um...I find it doubtful that Gigan can get enough leverage to slice off a tentacle in mid-air before Iris zaps him repeatedly with his unreasonably powerful sonic beams.

Gigan is just destined for decaps...

[Kiryu goji]

Gigan. He'll chop off the mutant gyaos' tentacles, and then buzz-saw awayuntill nothing's left.

[PyrasTerran]

Um...I find it doubtful that Gigan can get enough leverage to slice off a tentacle in mid-air before Iris zaps him repeatedly with his unreasonably powerful sonic beams.


Gigan is fast enough, and can definitely get the leverage to do so. And being zapped by beams is determined by WHEN Irys decides to use them.

[anguirus55]

Well, until I see GFW, I won't enter the discussion further, only noting that Pyras must feel pretty torn on this one, lol.

[Omega17]

Iris can fly at Mach 9, and I don't believe Gigan can. Iris can just stay away from Gigan, and cut him up.

[Orga777]

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I don't know? According to people they say Gigan can keep up with Irys. Apparently this Gigan is not as slow as his Showa predissesor. I will have to abstain though since my knowlage of Final Wars is pretty vauge.

[MirrenDono]

Final Mothra could fly up to Mach 3. Twice was Gigan able to catch up to her in about three seconds from quite a distance away

[PyrasTerran]

Not only that, Gamera flies at Mach 3 and could just barely keep up with Irys. His TOP SPEED is Mach 9, that doesn't mean he's always blasting at that speed.

[anguirus55]

Um, Gamera is MUCH faster than Iris. I don't care what the stats say, Gamera intercepted Iris with ease. He went from off the radar screen to Iris' position in seconds, while Iris was booking for Kyoto and only made it from the top to the middle of the screen.

Gamera covered a lot more distance a lot faster.

Plus, this is "0 to escape velocity in ten seconds" Gamera we're talking about. SHOWA Gamera is Mach 3.

[PyrasTerran]

Um, Gamera is MUCH faster than Iris. I don't care what the stats say, Gamera intercepted Iris with ease. He went from off the radar screen to Iris' position in seconds,

Gamera covered a lot more distance a lot faster.

Gamera came in from above, that's why he was so easily able to intercept Irys.

And if Gamera is as fast as you state, then he should have caught up with Irys after the patriot missiles. He should have been able to catch Irys before he landed in Kyoto.

Plus, this is "0 to escape velocity in ten seconds" Gamera we're talking about. SHOWA Gamera is Mach 3.

Just because it looks cooler and faster thanks to modern SFX in the Heisei movies doesn't mean that the speed's changed...

[MasteroftheSwarm]

Shouldn't Showa Gamera have gone a lot faster than Mach 3? I mean he reached a planet across our universe in under a week...

I think flight speed and capability is one of the few areas that Showa Gamera puts Heisei Gamera to shame.

[anguirus55]

Gamera came in from above, that's why he was so easily able to intercept Irys.

No, he didn't. He hits Iris from below.

And if Gamera is as fast as you state, then he should have caught up with Irys after the patriot missiles. He should have been able to catch Irys before he landed in Kyoto.

It's not like a lot of time passes here. Gamera gets hit, loses a lot of speed, Iris lands, looks around, then Gamera's there.

It seems like longer because it keeps cutting to the humans.

Just because it looks cooler and faster thanks to modern SFX in the Heisei movies doesn't mean that the speed's changed...

What are you talking about? You think Mach 3 can escape the atmosphere? The assertion that Heisei Gamera can go Mach 3 is demonstrably incorrect.

Escape velocity is 40200 km/h. Gamera reached a velocity greater than this from a standing start in no time at all in G1. Mach 3 at sea level is about 3500 kph.

Shouldn't Showa Gamera have gone a lot faster than Mach 3? I mean he reached a planet across our universe in under a week...

Farthest he's gone is 2 AU (149.6 million kilometers). How do I know this? Because in his one extraplanetary adventure that I am aware of, he flew to the planet Terra, which is directly across from Earth and shares its orbit around the Sun. The distance from Earth to the Sun is one AU.

So in space he got to great speed, but in space there is no wind resistance. He can just accelerate as much as he wants if he can withstand the force of it.

I think flight speed and capability is one of the few areas that Showa Gamera puts Heisei Gamera to shame.

OK. But you're wrong.

[PyrasTerran]

No, he didn't. He hits Iris from below.

You're right. I worded myself wrong, meaning to say Irys was above him.

But the message stays.

It's not like a lot of time passes here. Gamera gets hit, loses a lot of speed, Iris lands, looks around, then Gamera's there.

It seems like longer because it keeps cutting to the humans.


Au contraire, there was aLOT of time spanded. If you know racing, you know every second counts. Gamera was FAR away from Irys by the time Irys touched down in Kyoto, in that it took Gamera 5 minutes(off the top of my head, I'll confirm when I return home) to reach him. 5 minutes is a VERY wide distance in a race, which is what this basically was.

So yeah, Irys smoked Gamera.

What are you talking about? You think Mach 3 can escape the atmosphere? The assertion that Heisei Gamera can go Mach 3 is demonstrably incorrect.

Escape velocity is 40200 km/h. Gamera reached a velocity greater than this from a standing start in no time at all in G1. Mach 3 at sea level is about 3500 kph.

and what is Mach 3 in the stratosphere?

Farthest he's gone is 2 AU (149.6 million kilometers). How do I know this? Because in his one extraplanetary adventure that I am aware of, he flew to the planet Terra, which is directly across from Earth and shares its orbit around the Sun. The distance from Earth to the Sun is one AU.

So in space he got to great speed, but in space there is no wind resistance. He can just accelerate as much as he wants if he can withstand the force of it.

Ang55 is exactly right. No one makes a fuss that MOGUERA can fire off at Mach 44 because he can only do that in space. The same can be applied to Gamera, or rather, any monster that decides to fly into space.

OK. But you're wrong.

Yep.

[Desumaytah]

I'm having more trouble with this match than usual...Dunno why, really.

Iris, in aerial combat, is noticably slower than his top flight speed, though he is exceptionally agile. Those sonic cutters of his (though I doubt that a simple swipe will decapitate any other kaiju) are deadly, and a sustained barrage will no-doubt leave GFW Gigan hurting/headless.

But Gigan is freaking Gigan. In the air, we know that the cyborg doesn't mess around. It's probable that he's going to cut off a few of Iris' tentacles before the mutated Gyaos gets really serious, and by then, Gigan will be able to end the fight faster than Iris could.

How integral are Iris' tentacles to flight? We know that he can convert at least two of them from split-tentacle flight aids to beam-spewers in mid-air (God I love hyphens), at least for a short while, without it really bothering him; so we know that he can at least handle having two cut off. I'm not sure that I see him lasting long with even that amount removed, though, because he wouldn't be able to attack with the remaining two without seriously hampering his maneuverability. He'd have a choice of either using one tentacle for attack, and one giant fan-thing for flight (not really aerodynamically sound); or simply ditching the fan-things and going with an all-out attack. Actually, the latter strategy might actually win him the battle, as I could see Iris catching himself before making a rather brutal crash landing, but Gigan is still going to be hacking away...

Alternatively, Iris could simply not use his tentacles for attack, but that would just screw him over, as those spear-arms of his aren't going to be helping him much against Gigan's chainsaws.

Anyway, I see Gigan winning a quick encounter, but if the fight drags for a bit, Iris' chances of winning skyrocket.

[anguirus55]

and what is Mach 3 in the stratosphere?

Between 3200 and 3530 kph. (The speed of sound first decreses then increases with altitude in the stratosphere.)

You're right. I worded myself wrong, meaning to say Irys was above him.

But the message stays.

How so? Interception's actually harder without gravity on your side.

From what I remember of the radar screen (and I could be wrong) it seems like Gamera just comes screaming in from way off to the side as Iris blips around the center.

For reference, Mach 9 is 11025 kph at sea level. Gamera blows away Iris' official number, and as noted his accleration is amazing (probably physically impossible at probably over 40000 km/h/sec against air resistance and gravity, but hey, he's Gamera).

It may be that the Patriots took more out of Gamera than is believed. Or it could be plot device. But there's a lot of evidence for astounding aerial feats of acceleratoin and speed for both Gamera and Gyaos, not so much for Iris. But, Iris is quite good on maneuverability and especially weapons. Still haven't seen G3, but my instinct is that a melee opponent will be at a disadvantage, much as Gamera was.

[PyrasTerran]

How so? Interception's actually harder without gravity on your side.

Not when the opponent you're intercepting is flying at low speeds soas to combat 2 fighter pilots.

From what I remember of the radar screen (and I could be wrong) it seems like Gamera just comes screaming in from way off to the side as Iris blips around the center.

It wasn't that dramatic, he was buzzing as fast as everyone else on the radar. :P