Godzilla Vs. King Kong remake???

[OniGODZILLA_2005]

I was just wondering, but with the upcoming release of Godzilla Final Wars and this new King Kong remake, isn't possible that tristar or some other film studio might attempt a Godzilla vs. King Kong Remake?

[Zigra]

Possible, but not likely. Toho has made it pretty clear that GFW was the last Godzilla film for quite awhile, and they've also made it clear in the past that they aren't willing to pay for the rights for Kong.

Heck, they won't even allow "Godzilla vs. Gamera", and Daiei was willing to help make it.

[OniGODZILLA_2005]

HELL! after what dean deviln did I don't blame them!!! ofourse it would be nice to see Gvs.KK remade with newer and more modern specail effects.

[Saruman]

Possible, but not likely. Toho has made it pretty clear that GFW was the last Godzilla film for quite awhile, and they've also made it clear in the past that they aren't willing to pay for the rights for Kong.

Heck, they won't even allow "Godzilla vs. Gamera", and Daiei was willing to help make it.

Maybe someone like Peter Jackson would do it, he already bought the rights for Kong so adding Godzilla wouldn't be all that much more of a stretch.

It's nice to have dreams, even if they most likely wont come true.:sleeping:

[Zigra]

I think it's more of a matter of whether Toho will let him do it. If Toho isn't willing to allow a crossover with a relatively "close to home" character like Gamera (especially when Daiei was willing to either make it or allow Toho the rights to make it), then Kong seems even less likely.

[SuperXAsh]

Which defies logic if you ask me. Since the last time the Big G crossed over with the Big Ape, it was the highest grossing Godzilla film Toho had for a long long time, if not still.

This is another battle I'd love to see happen again. Specially if it'll mean a better more respectful looking King Kong throwing down with Godzilla.

Don't get me started on the ridiculousness of Toho's refusal to let Godzilla battle Gamera. It's got sure-fire box office gold written all over it. Gamera's a known monster even in the US, maybe not as well known or as iconic as Godzilla and Kong but still a known figure. I can only assume that he's even more loved and known in Japan.

But that's a dicussion for another time.

I'd love to see a King Kong vs. Godzilla remake. But since Toho's in a stink about such things... it's doubtful.

Wonder if there's some way to blame Ted Turner for all this? If not him then maybe Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich for a close second. :sly:

[Raptor]

I personally like the idea myself after our experiences with "Toho Kong". :dozing: Should Jackson's film prove sucessful, this would be an ideal time for Toho and Daiei to do a match-up of the top two Japanese "monsters", the "vs." being a unique staple of the genre. Should they not feel up to the task of matching "American" sfx to pull it off, by all means consider including Peter Jackson in either a G vs G or Kong project. Of course, an adequate production schedule and budget should be included as they seem to be other Toho shortcomings we've had rather unsatisfactory experiences with...

[Saruman]

I think it's more of a matter of whether Toho will let him do it. If Toho isn't willing to allow a crossover with a relatively "close to home" character like Gamera (especially when Daiei was willing to either make it or allow Toho the rights to make it), then Kong seems even less likely.

I don't think Toho would have a problem with a King Kong vs Godzilla remake, the reasons for this are simple.

Kong and Godzilla are two of the biggest icons going and they have already met once, and it is still the highest grossing Godzilla film of all time.

It would bring in tons money, especially if you have a competent people like Peter Jackson and WETA doing the SPFX for the film.

Someone like Peter Jackson would stay true to the characters and only change enough to put his stamp on them. I think this would appeal to Toho knowing that Godzilla wouldn't be *******ized like he was in '98.

If King Kong 2005 is successful in Japan, which I am sure it will be, that could light a fire under Toho and make them approachable to the idea.

Kong isn't a threat to Godzilla in Japan, which is why you will never see a Godzilla vs Gamera movie. Gamera is the good guy/protector, Godzilla is the force of nature, so in any possible GvG film, you are going to have to pretty much keep it that way or it becomes to much of a departure for the characters which hurts them. Toho is never going to put Godzilla into a movie where he might lose to Gamera. Gamera is his competition in Japan. Kong doesn't pose that dilema for them as Kong is American, so it doesn't really hurt Godzilla to lose to Kong.

[Zigra]

You know, Saruman, reading your comments on why Toho doesn't want a Godzilla/Gamera crossover film, I don't see what their problem is. The solution is simple- instead of having one defeat the other, have them join forces to fight a greater foe. I mean, is that REALLY so hard for Toho or anybody else to think of?

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Hey, The KKvsG remake is MY dream directing project!

If anybody should make "Round 2" it should be me!

I'd do an excellant job, and thats something you can garuntee! ;)


anyways, I'd love to see a remake. Of course, it would have to be done by the right person(me for example) and not butchered with over CGIing, and mediocre actors.

[Saruman]

You know, Saruman, reading your comments on why Toho doesn't want a Godzilla/Gamera crossover film, I don't see what their problem is. The solution is simple- instead of having one defeat the other, have them join forces to fight a greater foe. I mean, is that REALLY so hard for Toho or anybody else to think of?

It is hard to do because of the nature of the two kaiju.

Gamera is the protector of humanity and the earth.

Godzilla is a force of nature that doesn't care what gets in his way.

The only way to make a truly workable story with the two is if you use the good "Showa" Godzilla. Otherwise it just isn't going to play out real well. Heisei/Millenium Godzilla isn't going to work with Gamera. He would consider him a threat and attack him. Gamera isn't going to help Godzilla when he's walking through cities killing people either.

It's just not a easy thing to work out and be true to both Kaiju and companies.

If I was going to team up any Toho kaiju with Gamera it would be Mothra. That would be a real workable story and you could come up with a wickedly powerful opponent for them to fight.

[Tomzilla]

Well, the only way Gamera would ever slightly help Godzilla is if the story revealed that humanity was endangering the planet. Then Gamera would support city-stomping sprees. ;)

[Zigra]

The only way to make a truly workable story with the two is if you use the good "Showa" Godzilla. Otherwise it just isn't going to play out real well. Heisei/Millenium Godzilla isn't going to work with Gamera. He would consider him a threat and attack him. Gamera isn't going to help Godzilla when he's walking through cities killing people either.

On the contrary, if we're talking Heisei Gamera, I don't think he'd worry too much about Godzilla trashing cities. Gamera 2 and 3 clearly established Gamera as the protecter of the Earth, but not humanity. And, since Gamera didn't seem to care when he vaporized countless people in Shibuya in the process of achieving his goal, I don't know why he'd care if Godzilla does the same.


If I was going to team up any Toho kaiju with Gamera it would be Mothra. That would be a real workable story and you could come up with a wickedly powerful opponent for them to fight.

Again, if we're talking about Heisei Gamera, then he'd be far more likely to team up with Battra than Mothra.

[Saruman]

On the contrary, if we're talking Heisei Gamera, I don't think he'd worry too much about Godzilla trashing cities. Gamera 2 and 3 clearly established Gamera as the protecter of the Earth, but not humanity. And, since Gamera didn't seem to care when he vaporized countless people in Shibuya in the process of achieving his goal, I don't know why he'd care if Godzilla does the same.

Not quite. You have to remember that Gamera distanced himself from humanity so that he could fight the Gyaos. He knew the battles would take place in populated areas, so he had to sever his link so he could fight them effectively. It was a case of giving up some lives to save more, he knew that and made the hard choice.

If he is still linked to humanity, then he's going to do everything he can to protect them with a little loss as possible. You see that through all three Heisei Gamera films. In G1 he saves the little boy on the bridge. In G2 he saves the plane full of people. In G3 he saves Ayana.

That is what makes it so difficult to team Gamera & Godzilla up. You have to do it and stay true to the characters and the respective companies. With one not being more important than the other, and I just don't see that happening.

Again, if we're talking about Heisei Gamera, then he'd be far more likely to team up with Battra than Mothra.

Not really, because once again Battra has no love for humanity and wanted to destroy the humans. This is completely against what Gamera is all about so there isn't really a chance for a team up unless Gamera by some strange twist suddenly hates humanity. Though again I don't see that happening because he draws strength from humanity as well as the earth.

Mothra is still the most similar in attitude to Gamera. She/he protects the earth and humanity like Gamera does. So I see this as having the most potential for a good crossover.

Godzilla I still see pretty much only ever fighting Kong as a crossover. Kong is the only creature with the status and recognition that puts them both on even footing and neither would really be hurt by losing to the other.

[Bagoth]

It woudl be great to see that but with the copyrights and another hard part is deciding who would win. It would really be just some crazy legal stuff.

[Bigmatt]

I have no idea how a story like would work out or even it would be any good, but it seems to me that Gamera's producers are much more willing to use him in different movies and crossovers then is Toho with Godzilla. If it is unlikey that either Kong or Gamera will battle Godzilla, what about Kong vs. Gamera. From Daiei prespective this is a real chance to get exposure for their star, but as for Kong it might almost be a step backwards for him. As popular and as well known as Gamera is he is no Kong or Godzilla, Kong's producers may want to stay away from pairing Kong with other monsters for fear of having him relegated to B-movie status.

I was not even sure if I should post this because like I said I'm not even sure I like the idea but I thought I'd throw it out there and see what other people think.

[godofPH]

Gamera vs Godzilla could be made along the GMK Godzilla scenario. In the Gamera series, those forgotten angry spirits come along and create GMK Godzilla. Then Gamera, who ist he guardian of humanity, goes out to stop a monster who purposefully goes out of his way to hurt humans.

[Gfantheheroman]

Whoa, one step at a time buddy. Lets wait for KONG to come out first. Although it is almost impossible to get Godzilla back in action to fight Kong. Lets wait about ten years or more.

[Archaic_Avenger]

Gamera vs Godzilla could be made along the GMK Godzilla scenario. In the Gamera series, those forgotten angry spirits come along and create GMK Godzilla. Then Gamera, who ist he guardian of humanity, goes out to stop a monster who purposefully goes out of his way to hurt humans.

but then Godzilla would be the bad guy, and we'd have either Godzilla loses to the good guy, or the world is destroyed. and that would stink. i want to be rooting for Godzilla. i've figured a Godzilla vs. Gamera down to 2 possibilities. one, i've written the story for that involves an Irys bacteria turning Gamera evil and attacking Godzilla. i had a pretty good storyline for it and all, involving Miki Saegusa and the girl in G1. the other would simply be a war of the monsters, where they meat and automatically dont like each other, and fight. then it would be a guessing game as to who would win, and probably end with a tie.

as for a Godzilla vs. King Kong, my only problem would be size difference. i just dont see a good enough way to size up Kong to be able to fight Godzilla, yet still get captured and brought to face Godzilla by the humans. this is what bugged me (other than Kong's face, and Kongs sudden miraculous empowerment) of the original. a kaiju Godzilla sized couldn't be caught, and he obviously cant fight Godzilla at 30 feet tall. however, if an acceptable size changing excuse could be made, i'd love it. it would be an instant classic.

Rodan2000

[Darth Reaper]

First, the title should be KING KONG VS. GODZILLA not GODZILLA VS. KING KONG. For one think, it just seems to sound better to me. Maybe that's just because I'm used to it now, I don't know. But, another thing is that if there weren't a King Kong, there might not have been a Godzilla. Kong's kind of the originator here, so I think he deserves top billing. Just as the Japanese respected Kong's seniority (either intentionally or unintentionally) back in the day, so should we now.

Second, if you want Kong to be Godzilla's size, there's always my idea of making him an elemental who draws strength from the Earth. Have him draw enough strength from the Earth to grow to Godzilla's size.

I've actually got this new idea that Kong really was dead after the events of his movie, but the Skull Island natives call upon powerful Earth spirits to resurrect him. These spirits would also make Kong an elemental, making him more powerful than before.

As for GODZILLA VS. GAMERA, I was thinking that a good reason for them to fight is the very nature of their existence. If you go with the Heisei version of Gamera (and I would :D ) you could say that he's after Godzilla because Godzilla is a freak of nature and doesn't fit into the natural order of things. Gamera's creators were able to make him one with the Earth, and thus allow him to coexist with the Earth in a harmonious way. Godzilla, on the other hand, was a complete accident. He wasn't meant to be. He's an anomaly, and is a potential threat to the natural order of things. So, Gamera's first impulse is that Godzilla has to go.

As for how Godzilla fits into Gamera's story, one idea that I have is to say that he attacked Tokyo in 1954 but was stopped with The Oxygen Destroyer. The Japanese thought that they had killed Godzilla, but they hadn't. Godzilla regenerated over time and retreated into deeper waters, to avoid another confrontation with the mysterious force that had hurt him so badly. The Japanese hadn't killed Godzilla, but they had effectively chased him off. Godzilla found a nice place to hunker down in a deep trench and stayed there, feeding off of heat energy that comes up from the Earth's core and through openings in the crust [Note: In this story, I'm thinking that Godzilla can feed on other forms of energy besides nuclear energy, although nuclear energy does provide him with a greater source of power than any of the others that he has access to, and thus would be his main source of sustenance under more ideal circumstances].

For the past fifty years, Godzilla has had no reason to return to the surface. But, due to the events of the Heisei Gamera trilogy, Godzilla has sensed the presence of other giant monsters. This has spurred Godzilla to return to land. It seems to be a natural impulse for many animals claim a territory as their own and seek to be the dominant force in that territory. Godzilla layed claim to the Japan and it's surrounding area as his own a long time ago and now he intends to cement his place as it's dominant force. With the ever increasing presence of the Gyaos, Gamera, the Legion invasion, and Irys' rampage, Godzilla is no longer willing to let other creatures run around unchecked on his turf. It's time to show them who's The Man in these parts.

Also, Godzilla has gotten bigger and stronger over the past half century, making him that much harder to stop. He started out fifty meters tall. Now, he's more like ninty meters tall.

Then again, there's always my parallel universe idea. Have Godzilla sent to Gamera's universe somehow and go berserk. Then, Gamera would be driven to get rid of Godzilla because he doesn't belong in his universe (and he's causing trouble).

[Zigra]

I do agree with you to some extent on Kong getting top billing. Though, it all may depend on who which monster gets the "lead" role in the movie. I'm sure the reason Kong got top billing in the original movie was not only because of his seniority, but also because he was the movie's "hero" (nevermind that he killed far more innocent people than Godzilla did in that movie).

Your Godzilla vs. Gamera idea is interesting, but it raises a few issues. For one thing, if Godzilla is an anomoly that is inharmonious with nature, then there one thing you have to consider- the human beings responsible for Godzilla's creation. Would it not make more sense that Gamera is more likely to attack the creatures responsible for not only creating that "anomoly" but continuing to cause the sort of destruction to the planet (i.e. nuclear tests) that created that anomoly in the first place and likely has created more (if you choose to have other Toho monsters in your continuity)?

[Darth Reaper]

Hm, I'm not sure if I'd have more Toho monsters in this story or not. I've kind of envisioned it as a stand alone story.

As for who Gamera targets for termination first, I'd argue that Gamera would target the most immediate problem first, and that would be Godzilla. Besides, if Gamera doesn't do something, humans will have to fight Godzilla themselves. How long would it be before somebody decides to do something really crazy, like nuking Godzilla? If Gamera intervenes, he might be able to keep things from escalating too far out of contral.

Also, I'd argue that people have changed a bit since the days when we performed all of that nuclear testing. We're certainly not setting off nukes on a regular basis anymore. We may have a long ways to go before we learn how to exist in perfect harmony with the Earth, but at least some of us are trying. I'd like to think that Gamera knows this, and as such is willing to be patient with us for awhile.

And, who knows, maybe there could be a story where Gamera goes after someone who's posing a significant threat to the Earth. Imagine if there was a company like Clint's MARS Corporation, or someone like Cameron Winter from the Godzilla animated series, running around in the Heisei Gamera series; people who will do anything to get what they want, regardless of the consequences to others. People like that could be begging for a rumble with the super turtle.

[Jet Jaguar]

Gamera vs Godzilla could be made along the GMK Godzilla scenario. In the Gamera series, those forgotten angry spirits come along and create GMK Godzilla. Then Gamera, who ist he guardian of humanity, goes out to stop a monster who purposefully goes out of his way to hurt humans.

Let us PLEASE stay away from Godzilla vs. Gamera possibilities/fights/debates etc.
It is so very very OLD and upsets certin Admins...

[Burkion]

Until it is offically made, Gamera VS Godzilla is banned from this site I belive. Which is a good thing.

As for King Kong VS Godzilla remake, I could see Universal picking up the bill, since the first one was a HUGE success.

[Biderbeck]

but then Godzilla would be the bad guy, and we'd have either Godzilla loses to the good guy, or the world is destroyed. and that would stink. i want to be rooting for Godzilla. i've figured a Godzilla vs. Gamera down to 2 possibilities. one, i've written the story for that involves an Irys bacteria turning Gamera evil and attacking Godzilla. i had a pretty good storyline for it and all, involving Miki Saegusa and the girl in G1. the other would simply be a war of the monsters, where they meat and automatically dont like each other, and fight. then it would be a guessing game as to who would win, and probably end with a tie.

as for a Godzilla vs. King Kong, my only problem would be size difference. i just dont see a good enough way to size up Kong to be able to fight Godzilla, yet still get captured and brought to face Godzilla by the humans. this is what bugged me (other than Kong's face, and Kongs sudden miraculous empowerment) of the original. a kaiju Godzilla sized couldn't be caught, and he obviously cant fight Godzilla at 30 feet tall. however, if an acceptable size changing excuse could be made, i'd love it. it would be an instant classic.

Rodan2000
godzilla is historiclly the bad guy... just got slipped into the savior role by accident...

as for the remake, Peter Jackson has wanted to do it forever...if kong makes millions, universal and toho could come to an agreement... MONEY TALKS

[godofPH]

^Ummm, I don't think Peter Jackson has ever stated in interest in remaking KKvsG, not even an interest in Godzilla.

[Goji Son]

godzilla is historiclly the bad guy... just got slipped into the savior role by accident...

as for the remake, Peter Jackson has wanted to do it forever...if kong makes millions, universal and toho could come to an agreement... MONEY TALKS

Jackson has never said anything about remaking KK vs. G. Infact, he is not even a fan of Godzilla. This film shouldn't even be considered. Just let the original exist on its own, hell, atleast release the Japanese version of the story without the damn American reporters.