Star Wars ***** bootlickers united

[Archaic_Avenger]

well, one of my big secrets of liking the new ones is not trying to compare them to the old ones. you cant beat the originals, they are far better, far superior, and just plain unbeatable. there is not a single way that i can think of that can think of in which the old ones can be beaten by the new ones. with that said, i know a heck of a lot of other movies beaten by the new ones.

and as for the Wanting To Like It deal, it still does. i wanted to like it so much, that i was able to like it through the mistakes it made (which, going back into the Opinion deal, i didn't see many). you wanted to like it, but couldn't get past the mistakes you felt it made. neither of us are better, its simply that one of us liked it, and one of us didn't. i wanted to like it enough that i did, you wanted to like it but didn't. i'm not saying you didn't have enough willpower, or anything, i'm just saying if you want to like somehting enough to overcome its mistakes, than, simply put, you will. you didn't get over the mistakes, you found them to big, and there's nothing wrong with that. its your opinion. i have nothing wrong with anyone else not liking it.

we're at the point where you say stuff about the movie (stuff that's your opinion), i say different stuff (and that's my opinion). neither of us are right, neither of us are wrong. i say the acting was good, you say it wasn't. i say the characters were good, you say they weren't. i say the effects were spectacular, you say they weren't. like you said, its all opinions. and the tricky thing with opinions is that no one is right and no one is wrong. we're not dealing with facts, we're dealing with what people think, with absolutely no evidense on either side. and there's no stopping.

Rodan2000

[anguirus55]

^ I honestly think Sith is better than Jedi, overall. Empire and ANH still stand supreme.

[Cole Deschain]

^ I honestly think Sith is better than Jedi, overall. Empire and ANH still stand supreme.


Much as I loathe "Sith," there is a case to be made here.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Though we'll probably be flamed for this, we think one of the best characters in the prequel trilogy is Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku. Now, I admit, he was wasted, but he had potential.
(Walter Kovacs.)

[Zigra]

Actually, I kinda agree with you. Christopher Lee was wasted, but he still did a good job with what little he was given to do. He's also closer to how I imagined Darth Vader to look like under the mask than the actual actor that plays Darth Vader (the whole "elderly knight" image).

[Archaic_Avenger]

Count Dooku was pretty cool, IMO.

actually, to celebrate Episode 3, i went to the theatre with a toy purple lightsaber (we were trying to get a whole Jedi costume, like the cool guy in my art class had and came to school with, but everywhere else was sold out.) as it turned out, by the time i went on Saturday, all the people crazy enough to go with Star Wars merchandise better than 6 year olds with t-shirts had already seen it, and i was the loser who attempted dressing up like a Jedi to see it, when nobody else did. it seems i'm a loser no matter how i look at it. but anyways, i brought my saber to school, and in art class the guy in Jedi robes knew fencing, as well as the 9 different style techniques of lightsaber dueling. he asked me which one i liked best from a brief discription of them each, and the one i ended up going with was Dooku's. so, long story short, i'm a big loser. but one who knows how to duel like Dooku. PRETTY SWEET!

Rodan2000

[anguirus55]

Actually, I kinda agree with you. Christopher Lee was wasted, but he still did a good job with what little he was given to do. He's also closer to how I imagined Darth Vader to look like under the mask than the actual actor that plays Darth Vader (the whole "elderly knight" image).

In my perfect, fantasy SW world, Lee would have appeared as Dooku in TPM, conversed with Jinn about his concerns regarding the Jedi Order, been slapped down by the Jedi Council, and found Sidious at the same time thet Battle for Naboo was going on. There would have been a brief "sorcerer's duel" (no lightsabre for Sidious yet, and his face remains obscured) that Dooku would lose and be amazed by Sidious' power. Sidious would sense Maul's death, have Dooku imprisoned, and begin courting him. Much Gungan and podracer antics would have been trimmed for this to occur.

Then, Episode II can go pretty much as-is. We wouldn't be 100% sure Dooku is a Sith until the end of the movie.

[Orga777]

Now that sounds like it could have worked. I would have also lliked to have seen more on Dooku, and puting him TPM would have made it a better film and would of helped the flow of things instead of throwing him in out of know where. And anything that could of slimmed down the damned Gungans would of been a good thing, even a minute of nothing would have been better.

Here is a little thing for ya, Battle Droids are better than something, Gungans. Those weak annoying amphibions couldn't even beat battle droids. Pathetic.:laugh:

[anguirus55]

Well, they held their own against battle droids for awhile with CATAPULTS and SLINGS. Battle droids still suck.

Interestingly enough, I lack a species-wide hatred for the Gungans, though they were overused. It's only Jar Jar that I want to see thrown in a wood chipper.

[Archaic_Avenger]

same here! i didn't like Jar Jar, but as for the rest of the gungans, they just dont get on my nerves. they were simply an alien species, no worse than the Ewoks. and i didn't think the Ewoks were that bad either.

Rodan2000

[Cole Deschain]

Well, I hated the Gungans... but I also loathed the Ewoks, so I guess I shouldn;t be too surprised.

Now the Jawas... they were fun. They weren't evil, but at the same time, they weren't wallowing in "we're the good guys" disease.

[Saruman]

In my perfect, fantasy SW world, Lee would have appeared as Dooku in TPM, conversed with Jinn about his concerns regarding the Jedi Order, been slapped down by the Jedi Council, and found Sidious at the same time thet Battle for Naboo was going on. There would have been a brief "sorcerer's duel" (no lightsabre for Sidious yet, and his face remains obscured) that Dooku would lose and be amazed by Sidious' power. Sidious would sense Maul's death, have Dooku imprisoned, and begin courting him. Much Gungan and podracer antics would have been trimmed for this to occur.

Then, Episode II can go pretty much as-is. We wouldn't be 100% sure Dooku is a Sith until the end of the movie.

Don't worry Ang, in lets say 15 years GL will re-re-re-release all 6 films completely changed from their current formats claiming that they weren't his vision and that the new technology he has at that time allows him to tell the story the proper way. You still won't get what you wanted, but it will be a totally new series of films.;)

[Burkion]

I can just SEE that happening...scary, Darth Maul wearing a dress...

[Wiz]

Though we'll probably be flamed for this, we think one of the best characters in the prequel trilogy is Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku. Now, I admit, he was wasted, but he had potential.
True. I was also dissapointed at how easily he was beaten in the beginning of the movie.

Question: Has anyone else noticed that Obi-Wan was easily beaten by Dooku, and Anakin beat Dooku, yet Anakin was beaten by Obi-Wan later in the movie? I think that that's weird. Anakin seemed so superior to Obi-Wan in the beginning of the movie, but in his last fight, he and Obi-Wan seem to be about equal. Hmph.

[Morteki]

^Yeah, but Obi-Wan got a big thing-a-ma-jig dropped on him. Otherwise I think he would have gotten back up after a couple seconds.



So here's a question: What was your favorite fight in SW 3?

As for me, I think it is a tie between Anakin and Obi-Wan and Yoda and Palpatine.

[Zeptron]

Question: Has anyone else noticed that Obi-Wan was easily beaten by Dooku, and Anakin beat Dooku, yet Anakin was beaten by Obi-Wan later in the movie? I think that that's weird.

Yeah, I was gonna mention that, too: It just doesn't ring true to me that Anakin--who was still a Padawan at that point--was able to beat Dooku, yet Obi-Wan--who was on The Jedi Council & was probably the best pure swordsman of The Order--could not. Perhaps Sidious used some sort of influence to help Anakin win?

[Burkion]

Or prehaps, you know, Anakin tapped into his rage and anger, tapping into his 'Vader' side...and we ALL know what Vader can do. Besides the final battle was more luck then anything. That and also: The good guys ALWAYS have to win...Damn golden rule...

Same question rings about Power Rangers actually. Tommy, as the evil green Ranger, utterly defeated the Rangers EVERY SINGLE TIME AS A GROUP, but then suddenly, on the fith part of the show, Jason some how beats Tommy when Tommy was suposed to be at his best. THE HELL?!

That'd be interesting...a Power Rangers/Star Wars cross over...

[Kaiser Kronos]

Yeah. One group of overpowered beings fighting another group of overpowered beings. Still, try karate-chopping a lightsaber....:cool:
(Calvin Monroe.)

[Burkion]

I'm trying to decide if the Light Sabers could actually hurt them that much...they(The light sabers) seem to be made of energy, and the Power Rangers (Specially Tommy...) are resistant to energy to a degree...

[Kaiser Kronos]

Never knew the rangers were resistant to energy. Would be entertaining to see Sidious's reaction to the Ranger's energy invulnerability. ;)
(Walter Kovacs.)

[Gorjirus]

Well, I finally bit the bullet and saw the movie last night with my sister and her fiancee.

Now, first off so I'm not called a "hater", the movie was OKAY. Its not high on my list, but it was OKAY. I can describe it in three categories: Things I Liked, Things I Didn't Like, and Things That Made A Small Part of Me Die/Cry (though not necessarily dealing with the film itself and dealing with the experience)

Things I Liked

- The Music: It was, in my mind, good or at least slightly above average (since most of it was remixes of the OT). Perhaps mostly noglista (sp), but I did like the music.

- The "Love" Sequences: These were, IMO, quite good and nicely done, as it seemed VERY life-like. This was perhaps helped since I was sitting next to my sister and her fiancee. It sounded like one of their conversations.

- Obi Wan: Easily the best acting job in the movie. I could easily see some of the charactizations from the OT Obi Wan in Ewan. He did a great job.

- Palpatine/Sideous: (For the most part at least) A good performance, though he seemed bufoonish at certain times. But for the most time, he seeped evil.

- The "Force Fit": Now, while I have heard that some people didn't like this, I found it quite good. The sudden release of the anger at his wife's death (no matter hoe stupid he was while she was alive), seemed realistic, with everything shaking except for the Emperor, not afraid. You could actually feel the shaking in my theater.

Things I Didn't Like

- Anakin: while perhaps realistic as a teenager, he still seemed more immature than someone of his stature should be. And REALLY STUPID, no matter how "blinded by love" he was.

- "Use the Force, DUH" Moments: Or the "Man, If I Was A Jedi..."

*Buzz Droids on my ship, and I am going to die? Why, I think I will use the FORCE to knock them off.

*Look! Grevious is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME! I think I will use the FORCE to get him right there while he isn't expecting anything.

*The elevator? Why, I think I will use the FORCE to move it since my droid doesn't seem to be answering.

*A shield? I think I will use the FORCE to destroy the small generator.

*Oh look, there's Grievious. AGAIN. While he doesn't know I am here, I think I will use the FORCE to get him.

(There are others, but I think you get the picture)

- The Overall Intelligence of People: Mainly, the Obi Wan/Anakin fight. Why in the world would you go to stand on a thin rail that you can HARDLY BALANCE ON! Why wouldn't you want to stay on solid ground?

- "CGI Snapshots": Or "Things I Noticed Because I Am A Nerd" Now, for the most part the CGI was good. Perhaps too much. Or way too much. But for the most part it was good. However:

*The Neon Stripper. Now, very realistic, but perhaps overdoing it.

*The "Why I think I'll just fall over" Clone. Now, while not 100%, I am pretty sure that I saw a clone trooper go down who wasn't even hit.

*The "OMG! You shot me in the foot!" Clone. I saw a trooper die, because he was shot in the front of his foot (or at least the top of it). How, I know that wound can kill, it was still quite humorous.

*The "Where are my glasses?" CGI. Some of the CGI was so fuzzy, I couldn't make out the details of it. Now, while that may be the screen, it was almost like they focused on what was the center of the scene and ignored the background , not giving it the same treatment.

- Mace Windu/Sideous: What I can't understand, is why Windu didn't kill Sideous immediatly, instead allowing him to crawl backwards and grovel, which gave Anakin time.

- Grievous/Obi Wan: From what I had read here, I thought that it was going to be a close, hard fight with Grevious shopwing his stuff. I was very dissapointed. Obi Wan PWNED Grevious in weapons battle, and it was only when going straight HtH that Grevious was even given the upperhand.

- The Slaughters, Part I and II. The moments, supposed to be moving (at least Part I with the Jedi being killed), seemed anti-climatic to me. It just didn't wring any emotion from me. Though if those shown was the best Jedi, no wonder they were killed. But anyways... (And that one surviving little Jedi, why did he attack, it didn't look like the Clones were going to shoot the Senator. Anywho..) And in Part II, with the CIS people knocked off, it also seemed eh to me. While glad the sniveling fools got it, it was still eh.

-The Intelligence of Some People/Droids: In this great time of technical advancement, how come Padme didn't know she was having twins until right before they wre born? If memory serves, she had used singular "baby" the entire time. Oh well, its not like she stayed around...

- The Word "Younglings" *snicker*: While other people laughed at some jokes during the movie, the only thing that made me almost burst out laughing was whenever the word "Younglings" was uttered. *snicker*. I mean, how touching is "He killed the Younglings." *snicker* It makes them sound like water fowl.


Things That Made A Small Part of Me Die/Cry (though not necessarily dealing with the film itself and dealing with the experience)

- The "NOOOOOO!!!!": Darth Vader just shouldn't bend back like that and cry out. It just seemed almost anti-Star Wars to me. Now that it was over, if I graph Anakin (a WHOLE Anakin) over the picture of Darth Vader, it makes the cry a little better, but as is, that was my initial reaction.

- The Boy In the Audience: "Daddy, I'm Scared." Now, there are different ways that little kids say I'm scared. There's when they say it just to say it, or if they are rattled, or if it is nightmare conducing. Then there was the way this little kid said it (I can't guess the age). It was the way that he was desperatly, soul-shaking scared that just rips your heart out that makes ANYONE want to protect him.

Now I know this is a "darker" film, and for a more mature audience, and all that BS, but ***** shouldn't have made it so dark that is scares small children that way. Star Wars is for the family. It was always that way. I know it was PG-13, but for goodness sakes, you can do the exact same thing of breaching the Trilogies without making it so grusome.

I didn't have a problem with it, but that doesn't make it right. (For instance, Passion of the Christ didn't even bother me. It was less violent and bloody than I thought it would be. But I wouldn't want little children watching it.)

- My Sister's After Movie Comment:

"You know how they spaced these three out? They should do the same with the other three!" ~ Sister

"WHAT?! NO NO NO! They just released those a few years ago!" ~ Me

"I know, but they should do it anyways!" ~ Sister


I literaly almost burst into tears then and there in the theater hallway. My sister, one who drinks the milk after ***** milks the cow. I didn't even have the heart to mention that ***** was most likely going to do them in 3-D. Even now, the blindness she showed makes me want to weep.



In conclusion:

It was a good film, and the best of the PT. But, it just didn't "feel" like Star Wars to me. I just couldn't get that atmosphere. I still liked it, but that was a major dissapointment. I wouldn't put it above any of the OT, but it was still good.

5 1/2 out of 10

[Kaiser Kronos]

So, as one of the newer members here, I guess I should admit flat out, I have very low standards for movies. I was wowed by the special effects, and Kaiser Kronos, (Tony Derouen) fell asleep halfway through the film. Soon as the Purge started, he woke up. I, however, have only one problem. The film had too much going on. :angry:

[Burkion]

(Back on my Power Rangers vs Star Wars thing) Tommy himself can reflect energy attacks...makes me wonder what would happen if someone tried to hit him with one while he was using this manuver...

[The Great MM]

Well...I finally saw it...

And people can get out the torches and shot guns, but I liked it over the originals...well...over ANH and ESB...ROTJ will ALWAYS be the best of the series to me, ANYWAY...I saw some flaws here and there, but nothing to really distract me enjoyment of it.

As I said, my 2nd favorite SW film... complete list of my favorites go...

Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Empire Strikes Back
Phantom Menace
A New Hope

[Cookson]

I dont think I listed my fav yet.

1.) Revenge of the Sith
2.) Empire Strikes Back
3.) A New Hope
4.) Attack of the Clones
5.) Return of the Jedi(The Ewoks ruined it for me)
6.) The Phantom Menace

[anguirus55]

Don't worry Ang, in lets say 15 years GL will re-re-re-release all 6 films completely changed from their current formats claiming that they weren't his vision and that the new technology he has at that time allows him to tell the story the proper way. You still won't get what you wanted, but it will be a totally new series of films.

You have just described Rick McCallum's nightmare. :laugh:

- "Use the Force, DUH" Moments: Or the "Man, If I Was A Jedi..."

*Buzz Droids on my ship, and I am going to die? Why, I think I will use the FORCE to knock them off.

*Look! Grevious is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME! I think I will use the FORCE to get him right there while he isn't expecting anything.

*The elevator? Why, I think I will use the FORCE to move it since my droid doesn't seem to be answering.

*A shield? I think I will use the FORCE to destroy the small generator.

*Oh look, there's Grievious. AGAIN. While he doesn't know I am here, I think I will use the FORCE to get him.

Um...I'm rather skeptical of most of these. Obi-Wan's concentrating on piloting, and he's going to try telekinesis on several droids that have literally dug into his ship? Maybe if he had Yoda stashed in the cargo compartment...and the instant the clones show up, Obi-Wan Force-shoves Grievous so hard his weapons are destroyed! Until then he was buying time. Stopping the elevator? Again, we've only seen Yoda pull something like that, and not as fast. It's drastically smarter to jump out of the way. And if you're referring to the hangar bay shield, that what lasers are for.

Sorry, but this reads like one of the EU authors writing around the time of the Special Editions that made Luke Skywalker into a demigod. Forgive me my nitpicking. :p

[Gorjirus]

Obi-Wan's concentrating on piloting, and he's going to try telekinesis on several droids that have literally dug into his ship?

Well, it seemed to me that once his windshield fogged/froze up, piloting was actually happening. That's when he should have used the force (or before that). I mean, should I try to pilot, even though that is failing or use the Force so it doesn't get bad?

and the instant the clones show up, Obi-Wan Force-shoves Grievous so hard his weapons are destroyed!

No, I am talking about when they are on the bridge.

Until then he was buying time.

Now that, for the second time, makes sense. Thanks.

Stopping the elevator? Again, we've only seen Yoda pull something like that, and not as fast. It's drastically smarter to jump out of the way.

No, when he was trying to get the elevator TO move, not get it to stop. And I am sure that Anakin and Obi Wan together should be able to make an elevator move at least.

And if you're referring to the hangar bay shield, that what lasers are for.

No, not the hanger bay shields (lasers would be better). When they were personally trapped. They decided to wait for R2-D2 instead of destroying the generator. It shouldn't have been that hard.

Forgive me my nitpicking

Ah, there is nothing to forgive. Nit-picking can create good intelligent conversation when maturity is involved.


Also, what are Grevious' guards weapons made out of? Did they use Sith technology to create artificial crystals for the staffs?

[SandwormPhish]

The staffs are made of Phrik alloy, with EM pulse dischargers on each end (though the usually kill through simple blunt force trauma).

In a fun EU reference Phrik alloy is the same lightsaber resistant material used in the Darktroopers.

[anguirus55]

^ Yep, so they have sheer durability and forcefields on their side!

Well, it seemed to me that once his windshield fogged/froze up, piloting was actually happening. That's when he should have used the force (or before that). I mean, should I try to pilot, even though that is failing or use the Force so it doesn't get bad?

Well, he continued to accelerate, so I expect he was using the Force to navigate on at least some level.


No, I am talking about when they are on the bridge.

Well, then I'm not sure what good it would have done.

No, when he was trying to get the elevator TO move, not get it to stop. And I am sure that Anakin and Obi Wan together should be able to make an elevator move at least.


Well, the elevator is pretty massive, plus they'd be fighting the ship's artifical gravity.

When they were personally trapped. They decided to wait for R2-D2 instead of destroying the generator. It shouldn't have been that hard.

Did they know where the generator was?

[Gorjirus]

The staffs are made of Phrik alloy

Thank you.

Well, he continued to accelerate, so I expect he was using the Force to navigate on at least some level.


I thought that his controls froze and he couldn't slow down (thus why he almost slid out the other end of the hanger bay).

Well, then I'm not sure what good it would have done.


What? They could have finished him off right then and there, and thus ended the war BEFORE Palpatine has time to recruit Anakin and such. I mean, if the enemy was right in front of you, and you could finish him off quickly, wouldn't you?

Well, the elevator is pretty massive, plus they'd be fighting the ship's artifical gravity.


True. I wonder if the Jedi can even move an abject that they are in. Guide it, yes, but actually use it for propulsion.

Did they know where the generator was?

Well, maybe not the actual generator, but at least the emitter (since it was right above them),

[anguirus55]

What? They could have finished him off right then and there, and thus ended the war BEFORE Palpatine has time to recruit Anakin and such. I mean, if the enemy was right in front of you, and you could finish him off quickly, wouldn't you?

Just by Force-shoving him? They did confront him with lightsabres drawn as soon as Palpatine seemed safe, and they used the Force to get their weapons back. I don't see what else they could or should have done.

[Gorjirus]

Just by Force-shoving him? They did confront him with lightsabres drawn as soon as Palpatine seemed safe, and they used the Force to get their weapons back. I don't see what else they could or should have done.


More than just shove. If nothing else, Anakin could of just Force-Gripped Greivious head until it popped.


Also, something I noticed, if it takes alot of "training" to do the Force-Ghost thing, how come Anakin did it almost naturally if he never knew anything about it?

[anguirus55]

If nothing else, Anakin could of just Force-Gripped Greivious head until it popped.

We don't even see him do this to Imperial officers later on. Plus, that's almost surely a "dark side" power, assuming it's even possible. Force use is tricky. Strength + fine control + surrounded by foes in cramped conditions = just take your chances grabbing the ******* lightsabre.

Also, something I noticed, if it takes alot of "training" to do the Force-Ghost thing, how come Anakin did it almost naturally if he never knew anything about it?

Ben and Yoda apparently "rescue" him from just being absorbed into the Force and losing his individuality. There is a scene chopped from RotJ that apparently explains it better. I wish it was in the film, but odds are it was never shot. Ben's ghost actually confronts Vader on Endor and says that he will show him the secret if Vader is redeemed. Vader responds angrily and takes Luke to the Death Star.

[Gorjirus]

We don't even see him do this to Imperial officers later on. Plus, that's almost surely a "dark side" power, assuming it's even possible. Force use is tricky. Strength + fine control + surrounded by foes in cramped conditions = just take your chances grabbing the ******* lightsabre.


That does make some sense, but I am wondering about the "it's even possible" statement. So, the force can lift ships and stop falling columns, but it can't crush a skull?

Ben and Yoda apparently "rescue" him from just being absorbed into the Force and losing his individuality. There is a scene chopped from RotJ that apparently explains it better. I wish it was in the film, but odds are it was never shot. Ben's ghost actually confronts Vader on Endor and says that he will show him the secret if Vader is redeemed. Vader responds angrily and takes Luke to the Death Star.


Ah. Another piece of new information. That also makes sense.


As I think about the movie, I can see that the Jedi would be MUCH more powerful if they would actually listen to what they say. They always talk about controlling emotion and such, but in the film, perhaps Yoda is the only one that actually does it (though I think he might have had some in the Sideous/Yoda) fight. The pretty much seep emotion and such that they warn Anakin about, but he is the only one that goes to the Dark Side. Is it just maturity that prevents them from crossing over? you would think they would have done something to help Anakin that way.

But if you actually had an "emotionless", cool headed Jedi, it would be a sight to behold.

[anguirus55]

So, the force can lift ships and stop falling columns, but it can't crush a skull?

Good point. It seems, though, that it would take just that much extra effort to be dangerous. Makes more sense to go for the windpipe.

Of course, in close-quarters, the single best way to take someone out is with a lightsabre. I'm sure that's why the Jedi Order adopted them.

Though considering Obi-Wan's amazing blaster accuracy, I don't care how "uncivilized" it is, they have no business NOT giving every Force-sensitive kid they can get their hands on a gun!

You're right about the Jedi. They talk a good game. But when it comes down to it...I mean, watch Windu vs. Palpatine. There's a shot that shows their faces and they're both equally twisted with anger.

[Gorjirus]

Though considering Obi-Wan's amazing blaster accuracy, I don't care how "uncivilized" it is, they have no business NOT giving every Force-sensitive kid they can get their hands on a gun!


Speaking of accuracy and Force-sensitive, I think I watched soemthing somewhere that Leia was the only OT character that never missed with a gun.

You're right about the Jedi. They talk a good game. But when it comes down to it...I mean, watch Windu vs. Palpatine. There's a shot that shows their faces and they're both equally twisted with anger.


Yes. An emotionless Jedi would be, in my mind, pretty much unstopable. I mean, if either Obi Wan or Anakin had kept a cool head during their final fight, it would have been over once they went outside. I mean, when they were on the wobbling railing, any Force shove and the fight would have been pretty much over. Or when they where floating on the lave. But, they were both filled with emotion and did not see that opening.

Which brings me to another point (though it all depends on one thing):

Did Obi Wan see Anakin catch on fire? I can't remember.

[anguirus55]

^ Yes he did.

I think I watched soemthing somewhere that Leia was the only OT character that never missed with a gun.

I hear that all the time, but it's not true. Off the top of my head, she missed stormtroopers in ANH.

[Gorjirus]

Alright, so Obi Wan did see Anakin catch on fire. Now, he had (or is about to) spew this speech on how he loved him and some such, but does he do anything to actually help him? No. Does he do anything to put him out of his misery? No. He just lets him lay there and suffer (not knowing that the Emperor is coming).

Now, how much "love" and compassion is that? You think he would have at least put him out of his misery and just kill him. Wouldn't that be better than just letting him suffer?

[Kaiser Kronos]

The cheap answer: If he did that, the original trilogy never would have occured.
The complex answer: Anakin had betrayed Obi-Wan, killed all those he cared about. Surely, that would change your opinion on someone else, too?
(Arthur)

[Gorjirus]

The complex answer: Anakin had betrayed Obi-Wan, killed all those he cared about. Surely, that would change your opinion on someone else, too?


Ah, but if that were the case, he would have killed Anakin anyways.

[anguirus55]

I don't think he could bear to go down and finish him off. His "I loved you" line is right before Vader actually catches fire.

In the novelization, the Emperor's shuttle shows up and he has to run.

[Gorjirus]

In the novelization, the Emperor's shuttle shows up and he has to run.

See, that makes much more sense than what we see in the movie. Though perhaps my emotional gambit runs differently from Obi Wans, but you think that he would have at least tried to help him, darkside or not.

[Cole Deschain]

I dread the future.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2964

[Burkion]

In Episode II when Padme and Anakin are having their picnic I would like to add some creatures like ants but they are bigger and they talk in a really cute high-pitched voice like "mee mee mee."

.................................................. ........................(Opens his mouth, then closes it.).............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................GOD DAMN YOU TO HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL *****! TOOOOOOOOO HEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Orga777]

That sounds fake to me. That is not even beliveable even for ***** to do

[Cole Deschain]

Check the site, check the date.

Of course it's a joke.

But it would be in character, wouldn't it?

[Orga777]

Check the site, check the date.

Of course it's a joke.

But it would be in character, wouldn't it?

Well, ***** does like cutting off hands, so yea some of it sounds like something he would do.:laugh:

[anguirus55]

LOL! Good stuff! God, what some of you will believe...

[Zigra]

The ironic thing is, taking out the midichlorian references would be a good idea:laugh:

[Morgoth]

I know I said I wasn't going to post in here... but this bit of news is just so pathetic and lame that I just had to share it and spread the misery. We've been given a supply of posters to hand out at the theatre to patrons seeing RotS over Father's Day weekend. The posters show Darth Vader looking like he's reaching for Bud with the tagline 'Who's Your Daddy' written out in some truly lame glowing neon green font. Ah yes, brought to you by the same morons who thought 'Yo Da Man' was a brilliant advertising campaign.

That's all, you may now continue discussing your imbecilic geekdom.

[ghidorahsaurus]

I finally made it to the theaters to see Revenge of the Sith. Although it lacked the heart and fun of the original trilogy, the movie was enjoyed by me and the group I was with. Here are a few random tidbits, thoughts, and questions as they pop in the mind (if you haven’t watched the movie these may contain SPOILERS – you have been warned):

* General Grievous was cool – too bad he was not more powerful. Master Kenobi pretty much wasted him at light saber battle.

* I seemed to have noticed a Millennium Falcon-ish space craft landing in one scene. Neat.

* Who was the person referenced in Episode II that ordered the creation of the clones? I am probably remembering this name wrong, but did the cloner say Siphor Diaz (probably spelled all wrong too)? Who is this person?

* As a few others have stated, the love scenes did seem a bit forced, but look at the characters we are dealing with. A political figure, raised as such practically all her life, and a Jedi, taught to keep his emotions in check. They are two individuals constantly hiding and restraining their true feelings – two people that feel out of place trying to be open and affectionate when they are together. I feel Natalie Portman pulled this off well.

* Match-ups make fights; however, it always seemed Yoda was the most powerful Jedi. Where Yoda struggled against the Emperor, Mace Windu had the Emperor scuttling and whimpering like a little school girl. This seemed peculiar. Anyone have any reasoning for this?

* The Emperor’s performance was superb – both the acting and his master plan in the story. Until watching Return of the Jedi recently, I had forgotten how he led almost the entire rebel force into various traps so easily. The realization the viewer gains through Revenge of the Sith that he was controlling both sides of a war he created to boost himself as Supreme Chancellor of the Universe was downright chilling. Seeing anyone and everyone opposing him taken out or made out as the bad guy was impressive. Using his disfigurement as evidence against the Jedi order, stating they have turned on the innocent, was great. He is quite the evil-minded-master-manipulator.

* Did Count Dooku know the entire story? Did he know the Emperor was also the Chancellor? Did the Emperor trick him as well?

* I do not want to nit-pick and complain, but I want to see what you all have to say about this thing that bugs me. It goes back to the outcome of battles – I’m just going to throw them all out there. Let’s look at the impressive list of wins under Master Kenobi’s belt: Darth Maul, General Grievous, and Darth Vader. Yet, every time he faced Count Dooku, Dooku made him look like an imbecile. So, Anakin (pre-Vader) fights Dooku to a standstill, gets a little POed, and eventually defeats him. It would seem Kenobi should not have had a snowball’s chance in an active volcano against Vader.

* Magna Guards are kind of cool. They are pretty much droids with enough skill with a staff to last a while against a Jedi.

* R2-D2 was very, um, animated and enjoyable. His personality definitely came out. Bravo.

All in all, the movie was an enjoyable experience. In ranking the movies, I would have The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi battling for top honors, A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith fighting for third, Attack of the Clones coming in fifth, and the stink hole that is The Phantom Menace coming in last. Dead last.

[Orga777]

To answer some of your questions.

Dooku did know who the his master was, why do you think he was so shocked when Palpatine told Anakin to kill him. Also Dooku would have beaten Anakin if he tried. If you read the book it goes into more detail, but Palpatine said that if he killed Kenobi that Anakin will join the dark side, and that Dooku should loose on purpose, but he wouldn't let Anakin kill him which another reason why Dooku was shocked.

I belive Palpatine was toying with Windu actually. I think he knew that Anakin was going to show up and would be on his side.

Sypho Dias (sp?) was a friend of Dooku's. He asked him to make a clone army for the republic. Dooku met Sidious before he asked him. Then Dooku killed him after he asked the cloners to make the army so the jedi wouldn't find out.

[anguirus55]

^ You are right on Sifo-Dyas and Dooku's knowledge, but I disagree (respectfully) on Palpatine throwing the fight. Windu isn't as wise as Yoda, and probably not as powerful in the Force, but he is a better fighter. He's younger and he's got more reach.

Windu is sort of the "warrior" of the Order, where Yoda is the "sage."

As for Kenobi's record...

Dooku is older and more experienced than he. Dooku is basically the best duelist in the Jedi Order. In fact, Dooku with one blade can beat Grievous with four blades without even the effort that Obi-Wan expended.

Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedi in the movie, but not one of the more experienced. He is skilled, and managed to take out Dooku because of that. (I think Dooku would have had a better chance if he hadn't been showing off for his master. He threw Force powers, droids, everything at Obi-Wan because Sidious and he wanted Obi killed quick, so Anakin would turn. Then Dooku tried to drag out the battle with Anakin and got his wings and, er, head clipped.)

Obi-Wan is a terrific defensive fighter, though. He trained Anakin: he knows what to expect from him. Also, he kept his cool where Anakin didn't. (Dooku also keeps a level head despite his Sithiness.)

So obviously, this isn't a direct power-means-win thing. Obi-Wan was set up as the underdog, and he prevailed with tactics. That's the movies for you.

[Zeptron]

An emotionless Jedi would be, in my mind, pretty much unstoppable.

That gets me thinking about something: What if Grievous had actual Force Powers? He would define "unstoppable!"

[ghidorahsaurus]

Thanks for the answers and insights guys.

As for the question regarding Dooku’s knowledge of Palpatine’s dual identity, I could not tell if he was informing Obi-Wan of what he knew in Attack of the Clones or was merely attempting to gain an ally. His shock when hearing Palpatine’s “Kill him” works either way. If he knows Palpatine is the Emperor, he is betrayed. If he thinks Palpatine is simply a senator/chancellor/hostage, hearing such words from a diplomat would be equally shocking. The outcome would be the same too. :sly: Thanks for the answer on the subject.

[Cole Deschain]

So obviously, this isn't a direct power-means-win thing. Obi-Wan was set up as the underdog, and he prevailed with tactics. That's the movies for you.

And he beat Maul with Rage. Some Jedi.

[ghidorahsaurus]

My niece (8) and nephew (11) want to state their thoughts on the movie. :D They speak - I type.

Niece: I liked Yoda. He was cool. He was short and green and had a miniature light saber and he was my second favorite character in all of Star Wars. :cool: My favorite character is Princess Leia.

Nephew: :cursing: You have to be crazy if you think this is a Star Wars geek thread (hey he made me type it). Star Wars is awesome. You should see it sometime. I thought the movie was really cool especially the scene where Yoda ( :eyebrow: )kicks butt!

(they say the green Post Icon at the top is Yoda)

[Kaiser Kronos]

And he beat Maul with Rage. Some Jedi.
Course he did. It's easy to talk the talk, not so easy to walk the walk.
(Walter Kovacs.)

[anguirus55]

And he beat Maul with Rage. Some Jedi.

Not really. He was pissed when he fought and almost lost to Maul, but his battle-winning maneuver was after a moment of calm introspection.

Maul had no business losing that fight, by the way. He was arrogant. Note, too, that Kenobi beats Skywalker the same way Maul SHOULD HAVE beaten Kenobi.

Oh, and ghidorahsaurus brings up an interesting point. But we know for certain (Sith novelization, among other print sources) that Dooku knew. He was trying to sway Obi-Wan, but he USED elements of the truth to his advantage. But it didn't work, so he just tried to have Kenobi killed. The clones showed up just early enough to save him, so the Sith plan continued, but the Jedi learned the name of their enemy.

[juan]

:p :p :p

Yes folks, it may seem odd that I say the above with how "Return of the Jedi" was made years before "Phantom Menace" but its true, Jar-Jar Binks has a cameo in "Return of the Jedi!"

I recently rented Return of the Jedi (original cut) on vhs and Return of the Jedi on DVD to compare the differences. I was blown away by how much everything was cleaner, finer, grander, everything on the DVD. It was the special edition on the glory of DVD... and towards the end of the DVD, I saw the celebrations scene.

You know, the Death Star is destroyed, the Emperor's dead, the whole galaxy is celebrating. Having seen the special edition, it was all familiar but I saw that for the DVD, an extra scene had been added, Naboo! We see the Queen's palace where Padme once ruled and everyone's celebrating. It makes sense with the prequel trilogy having brought Naboo and Padme into the Star Wars Universe and it was by that same logic that Christian Hayden was inserted as the ghost of Anakin in the visitation scene at the end for he is indeed Anakin Skywalker. (Sorry Sesbastian Shaw. :( )



Now get this... if you pay attention to the Naboo celebration scene and you'll hear the voice of Jar-Jar Binks shout out, "We-sa free!"

Jar-Jar Binks, and not the Empire, strikes back!

[Cole Deschain]

Great.

Another reason not to buy the DVD.

[Burkion]

...(Looks around.)...(Looks some more.)........Wonder how long until Morgoth pops up and slaughtes you Jun...Good luck! (Heads off to Japan to evade the killings. And to plot and plan...)

[Zigra]

Yeah, this should have been posted in the "Star Wars Geek Thread" to avoid the Dark Lord's wrath:laugh:

[Angiru-San]

Yeah, this should have been posted in the "Star Wars Geek Thread" to avoid the Dark Lord's wrath:laugh:


Whew, good thing I caught this one. Now it is part of the Star Wars thread.

But ofcourse, now Im going to get it for renaming the thread. Oh well........ :)

[Burkion]

*Stays in Japan to see what happens to Ang-san.* Well, atleast it's less insulting to Star Wars...oh crap, maybe Japan isn't far enough...

[Alien-G]

wow, nothing against you ranger fans, but how can you compare a little kid show to something as a great as Star Wars? Please don't be mad at me, I'm just stating what I think. And I saw the movie twice, and it is easily one of my favorite films.

[Alien-G]

Wait a minute, Juan. I was watching the last parts of Return of the Jedi at Blockbuster, and that wasn't Jar Jar Binks, the voice sounded a lot different than Jar Jar. It was probably a Gungan, but not Jar Jar

[Burkion]

Atcually, one Power Ranger in paticular could, and possibly would, defeat just about any Jedi...Evil Green Ranger season one for us American Ranger fans...

a little kid show

...(Shakes his head)...you've never seen the Sentia versions, have you my lost freind?

[Alien-G]

I'm not lost, I'm just not into Power Rangers, and I don't know anything about the Japanese Rangers and when I said comparing, I said nothing about who would win in a fight, I'm talking about comparing a show to great movies, I will check into these Sentai Rangers, and make my own judgement

[Burkion]

The 'lost' thing was a joke...and Power Rangers is not just a 'little kids show', either. It has some kiddie moments, but the fact that it's general audiance is 15, 14, 8, and so on. Trust me, I have to watch kiddie shows...damn little necie and nephiew...

[Alien-G]

lol, I know how it is, one thing I must say, the movies are really good actually, like the ones that went into theaters

[Burkion]

'Nerd Homeland'? Sliping Morgoth...sliping...I would have gone with ***** boot likers untied, or something... ;)

[Burkion]

....(Opens mouth.)..............................I can't even claim it wasn't my idea this time.....

[state alchemist]

lol

nice. real nice. :D

[Orga777]

Wow..... That is a strong title don't you think........ Good job BD.:laugh:

[Burkion]

How was I supsoed to know he'd go with my idea...

[ghidorahsaurus]

While discussing Star Wars information I have learned from you guys and gals, I mentioned to my friend one of your main sources are various books and novels. When my friend heard this, she exclaimed, “Star Wars books exist?!?!”

Taking this slight hint from her, would the reader-types here be willing to take some time and point us in the right direction? Such as, what books should we start with, what books are head and shoulders above the rest, what authors can do no wrong, what should we try to avoid, etc. etc.?

Many thanks for whatever help may be offered.

[SandwormPhish]

Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command by Timothy Zahn are some of the best. Republic Commando: Hard Contact is good to.

Avoid pretty much anything by Kevin J. Anderson though.

[Cole Deschain]

^ What Phish said.

Read Zahn's trilogy. After that, it's entirely optional, and largely bad.

[anguirus55]

I also heartily recommend any of the "X-Wing" novels, as well as Labyrinth of Evil (takes place between Clones and Sith).

[Husnock]

One of the reasons I like the Prequel-era EU is that there aren't any truely, heinously BAD books in there. Sure, some of them (Cestus Deception) aren't exactly Thrawn-quality, but I haven't read any Crystal Stars or New Rebellions or Jedi Academy Trilogies, either.

Oh yeah, and good idea on merging the Star Wars threads together. As much of a geek as I may be, this isn't a Star Wars message board. There are zillions of good boards out there already.

[ghidorahsaurus]

I have seen Star Wars, Episode III - Revenge of the Sith by M. Stover at the local Wal-Mart for *cheap.* I deduce this is where others are obtaining the extra information and “behind the scenes” for the movie? :) Is the book worth purchasing/reading? Not that I want a ranking of all books Star Wars, but how does it compare to the best and the worst? Just curious…we are trying to find a good “starting point” for our Star Wars reading experience. Thanks.

[Orga777]

I think you should get the book. I read it and it is 10 times better than the movie. I highly recomend it.

[KaijuDave]

'Nerd Homeland'? Slipping Morgoth...slipping...I would have gone with ***** boot lickers united, or something... ;)
I've come to understand Clint's hatred of "The Un-named One" but really... This topic name is going too far! I didn't take offense to "Geek Thread" but "Luc@$ Bootlickers????" Who says that Star Wars fans have to LIKE Luc@$ anyway? I HATE & loathe the man but I still love Star Wars (though my love for it has been surpassed greatly by Lord of the Rings). Who says that those of us who still enjoy Star Wars actually support George? It is not only his creation! He may make the executive decisions and may have made the basic universe, but there are plenty of other better writers, sculpters, model-makers, artists, etc who should be credited more for their ideas & contributions to the SW Universe. I guess the money/profits still get back to him eventually (since it is his company) but I definitely do not consider myself to be a Luc@$ supporter by any means. It's sorta like the PC industry: I hate Bill Gates too, but still use Microsoft products (they're not designed by Bill himself anymore ya know). He, like George is just the head of his own Empire. I certainly would not bow down to the man if I met him in person. The same with the late Gene Roddenberry: I liked Star Trek (well, mostly TNG) but does that mean I have to be a big fan of its creator? No! I think Trek actually got better (more battle scenes) after the peacemonger died. Star Wars will also go on with or without that ******* Luc@$ at the helm.

[Gorjirus]

The same with the late Gene Roddenberry: I liked Star Trek (well, mostly TNG) but does that mean I have to be a big fan of its creator? No! I think Trek actually got better (more battle scenes) after the peacemonger died

AAAAA! *breaks into tears*

It was supposed to be peaceful! That was part of the point of the series. During TOS, the real world was in the middle of the Cold War, and peace was the ideal future. There weren't really supposed to be big fights. That happened after the real world entered a different cutural era (aka Dominion War).

But anywho...

[Burkion]

I've come to understand Clint's hatred of "The Un-named One" but really... This topic name is going too far! I didn't take offense to "Geek Thread" but "Luc@$ Bootlickers????" Who says that Star Wars fans have to LIKE Luc@$ anyway? I HATE & loathe the man but I still love Star Wars (though my love for it has been surpassed greatly by Lord of the Rings). Who says that those of us who still enjoy Star Wars actually support George? It is not only his creation! He may make the executive decisions and may have made the basic universe, but there are plenty of other better writers, sculpters, model-makers, artists, etc who should be credited more for their ideas & contributions to the SW Universe. I guess the money/profits still get back to him eventually (since it is his company) but I definitely do not consider myself to be a Luc@$ supporter by any means. It's sorta like the PC industry: I hate Bill Gates too, but still use Microsoft products (they're not designed by Bill himself anymore ya know). He, like George is just the head of his own Empire. I certainly would not bow down to the man if I met him in person. The same with the late Gene Roddenberry: I liked Star Trek (well, mostly TNG) but does that mean I have to be a big fan of its creator? No! I think Trek actually got better (more battle scenes) after the peacemonger died. Star Wars will also go on with or without that ******* Luc@$ at the helm.

...it was a JOKE!!! How the hell could I know that Morgoth would take my idea? Hell, I didn't even know anyone major READ my posts! I had no idea!!!

[SandwormPhish]

Dave, this is the internet, please take the time to grow a thicker skin, you'll need it at some point.

[Husnock]

And having just finished it, I highly recommend Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. The title may seem cliche, but you'll be hard-pressed to find better writing.

[anguirus55]

^ Agreed! I just reread that this week, it's got awesome stuff with Yoda and Dooku.

SPOILER

















Husnock, did you catch how it was PALPATINE who requested Skywalker and Kenobi to be sent after Dooku, thus causing Dooku's hissy fit and ruining Yoda's attempt to bring him away from the Dark Side? Dooku really is trapped, in the end. It's a shame the true tragedy of his character doesn't get across in the movies...you only really get him after reading Dark Rendezvous and Labyrinth of Evil.

[Husnock]

^ Agreed! I just reread that this week, it's got awesome stuff with Yoda and Dooku.

SPOILER

















Husnock, did you catch how it was PALPATINE who requested Skywalker and Kenobi to be sent after Dooku, thus causing Dooku's hissy fit and ruining Yoda's attempt to bring him away from the Dark Side? Dooku really is trapped, in the end. It's a shame the true tragedy of his character doesn't get across in the movies...you only really get him after reading Dark Rendezvous and Labyrinth of Evil.SPOILER, maybe...
















Yes, as a matter of fact, I did. Very clever little ploy on both Palpy and the writer's part, using Dooku's disdain (and jealousy?) of Anakin to halt his redemption at the very last minute. This is the only story I've read that really gets into Dooku's head, and it makes his death in RotS all the sadder. Plus, it makes Palpidious' tossing aside of Dooku's life make him seem all the more cold and evil. Dooku really wanted to turn back, even if he pretended to deny it (like Qui-Gon said, "He thinks he's lying."). Also, I really didn't care for Asajj Ventress' character at all until I read this. Before then, she seemed to be just about the flattest, most two-dimensional character to come out of the Clone Wars ("I HATE JEDI! GRRR! I SOUND LIKE THE WRITERS OF THUNDERCATS AND DARK EMPIRE CAME UP WITH ALL MY LINES BECAUSE THEY ALL SOUND SO FORCED AND CONTRIVED! GRR!"). But she was just so... cool in this book. Very well-written, I think this marks the first bit of justice ever done to her.

Finally, the book also contains something that the Prequels it's set around have only dreamed of having: genuinely FUNNY humor, sprinkled all throughout the book. It's not burst-into-laughter hilarious, just subtle enough to offset the book's mostly dark and dreary setting without it being thrown in your face (like the history and nature of the Verpine-built cruiseliner they take to Phindar, the "Evil R2" bits (you'll know what I mean if you've read the book) and Obi-Wan's last lines at the end of Chapter 11 (Asajj gets them back in a very aprropriate manner)), as opposed to the forced and hardly funny jokes that we're slapped with throughout the Prequels.

[anguirus55]

^ Oh, agreed wholeheartedly. I'm not a Ventress fan either, but she was treated very respectfully. Extreme cunning, extreme passion, sometimes a bit foolish though.

[Archaic_Avenger]

say, whatever happened to Asajj. i saw a bit of her in the Clone Wars and i really thought she was cool. i never heard of her death, so i assumed she'd be in Episode 3. did she die without me hearing of it?

Rodan2000

[Orga777]

She died in one of the books I belive.

[anguirus55]

Nah, she's alive after being mortally wounded (for the second time!) by Anakin. She went into a healing trance, then commandeered the medical ship she wound up on and told the pilot to get her as far as possible from Dooku, the Jedi, and the war.

Who knows if Dark Horse will continue to explore her fate.

BTW, she was never going to be in Episode III but she's based on concept art for the Episode II villain who eventually became the character of Dooku. She also gave Anakin his facial scar.

[Wiz]

Question: Does anyone know of a good website or store to buy one of the Master Replicas Force FX lightsabers? I have been searching for days, and everyplace I look is sold out.

[Gorjirus]

You can find it at EEEEEEEEEEEEE-Bay. *To the tune of the commercial jingle*

[Wiz]

Oh lordy, no! I'm trying to stay away from ebay for the obvious reasons. 1: My parents don't feel like making a transaction on the internet with their credit card because they have heard bad stories about that, 2: their is no gaurentee the item will work, and 3: I've seen the prices on ebay. Ouy Vey! (sp?) I saw one for $133 bucks, and that one didn't light up or make the lightsaber sounds. And just to let you know, you can get them cheaper than that brand new! But thanks anyway. Any other suggestions?

[Saruman]

Oh lordy, no! I'm trying to stay away from ebay for the obvious reasons. 1: My parents don't feel like making a transaction on the internet with their credit card because they have heard bad stories about that

Common misconception. Any time that you use your credit card you are at risk, no matter where you use it. Every transaction is recorded and logged by computers and they are all hooked to the internet. It's no safer shopping at Wal-Mart with your credit card than it is using your credit card to pay for something online.

2: their is no gaurentee the item will work

As long as you are buying from a reputable seller then you have absolutely no reason to worry. I purchase so much stuff on eBay because it's easier and usually cheaper it isn't even funny. In over 500 transactions on eBay I have only had one minor problem and the seller replaced the item and I had the replacement in 2 days.

3: I've seen the prices on ebay. Ouy Vey! (sp?) I saw one for $133 bucks, and that one didn't light up or make the lightsaber sounds. And just to let you know, you can get them cheaper than that brand new!

Prices are based on what people are willing to pay, that is why it is called an open market. But just because you see one sell for an extreme amount doesn't mean you can't get one much cheaper. Just like any purchase you have to shop around to get the best price you are able to.

[Wiz]

Common misconception. Any time that you use your credit card you are at risk, no matter where you use it. Every transaction is recorded and logged by computers and they are all hooked to the internet. It's no safer shopping at Wal-Mart with your credit card than it is using your credit card to pay for something online.
That's a useful peice of information, but try telling my parents that! This is going to be soooooo much easier when I turn 18!

But thanks for that information. You certainly lifted my spirits!

[kritaya]

Remember the flamefest when George ***** said he'd never release the original Star Wars trilogy? That, as far as he was concerned, the updated ones from the 90's were the true and preferred versions? Well, he changed his mind. According to starwars.com, the original, unedited, unchanged trilogy -- no Jabba in the first movie, no Greedo shooting at Han, etc. -- will be released on dvd this September. Granted it doesn't make up for the prequels, but what does everyone think of this turn of events? Will you buy this new-old trilogy when it comes out?

[Burkion]

***** still sucks balls.

End of story.

[Zigra]

You see? Good things can come of letting Clint threaten the lives of others.

[Morgoth]

Only when ***** is dead and not a single penny goes into his bloated ***. Sorry, I can't see myself ever watching any of those films again, no matter what is done/isn't done with them.

Star Wars is dead. Accept it.

[godzy]

Star Wars is dead. Accept it.


To quote Luke Skywalker: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"


Even if these new movies are stupid, 'ol George if still going to make good money off of this, so get used to it.

[Solar_Behemoth]

A great way to make a bunch of easy cash, *****!
What a sell-out.

[Goji Son]

Remember the flamefest when George ***** said he'd never release the original Star Wars trilogy? That, as far as he was concerned, the updated ones from the 90's were the true and preferred versions? Well, he changed his mind. According to starwars.com, the original, unedited, unchanged trilogy -- no Jabba in the first movie, no Greedo shooting at Han, etc. -- will be released on dvd this September. Granted it doesn't make up for the prequels, but what does everyone think of this turn of events? Will you buy this new-old trilogy when it comes out?

The fact that it is a limited released, seperately packaged, and coupled with the SE just shows that George is not giving the fans what they want but instead exploiting their wants into getting more money, getting his way by still releasing the SEs AGAIN, and making the whiney fans happy so he can then do whatever the hell he wants with the films because they have their precious original cuts.

If he respected the fans he would just make a seperate boxset with the originals like he did on VHS.

[kritaya]

It is a rather cynical ploy to milk the fans for every last drop of money, and I know I shouldn't, but I'll probably buy it. I'm not a huge SW fan. I watch the movies and that's it. Never read any books, never bought any merch, so it's not like I've really susidized George's lifestyle to any great degree. I don't own the original versions in any form so I haven't seen them in all their unaltered glory in many years. And, well, I guess I'm feeling nostalgic. Maybe I'll donate the SE set to the library.

[Orga777]

Meh. Don't care. GL is just beating a dead horse now. It is time for everyone to move on. Star Wars is FINALLY over. They should just let it rest now.

[godzy]

Meh. Don't care. GL is just beating a dead horse now. It is time for everyone to move on. Star Wars is FINALLY over. They should just let it rest now.

Actully, I've heard rumors that George is going to remake ALL the movies in CGI, like a Finding Nemo sorta thing.......

[godofPH]

Actully, I've heard rumors that George is going to remake ALL the movies in CGI, like a Finding Nemo sorta thing.......

I don't know about that, but I have heard that George wants to put the whole saga into 3D.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

It was probably a decade ago now when they kept saying "own it for the last time on video". Go figure. You'd think he would've WANTED to sell it unaltered to make more money, but that just accents what a slap in the face it was for the fans of the movies to make that decision. I'll probably buy it sometime down the road anyway just because I want the movies in their original form.

As for these plans of remaking all the movies, wasn't he "waiting for the technology they have now to make them the way he invisioned" (when the special effects technology he used was being improvised in the first place...) and isn't he satisfied with the trilogy "the way it was meant to be seen" as he says? If a fully animated version was what he really wanted all this time, he might as well have just gone to Disney with his idea back in the beginning and made Star Wars a cartoon.

[Goji Son]

Actully, I've heard rumors that George is going to remake ALL the movies in CGI, like a Finding Nemo sorta thing.......

I think you are getting that confused with the SW TV show coming out soon that I heard might be all CG.

[godzy]

I think you are getting that confused with the SW TV show coming out soon that I heard might be all CG.

*Jaw drops*

A STAR WARS TELIVISION SHOW IN CG??!!


*Rocks back and forth*

Heh, it'll probably be all right.....just a season or two....nothing to worry about....it won't make it on the For Kids TV block....

[Cookson]

On the note of the TV shows.

Wouldnt you want to watch a Star Wars TV show about what happens after episode 6? They already made a clone wars show and now there making a new one.

They could make a TV show about life after episode 6, Like the "Thrawn Trilogy".

[godzy]

Why is there so much hate for the creater of Star Wars on this forum? So much so that his name is blocked out? Call it ignorance, but I cannot see what he is done to merit such hatred.

So just out of curiosity: why?


EDIT: I'm not looking for a debate; I just want your guy's opinions.

[Cole Deschain]

Phantom Menace + Clint = bad, bad things.

[godzy]

Phantom Menace + Clint = bad, bad things.

lol that much I'm sure of. I'm sure once Morgoth posts, it'll all make sense.

Either that, or it's gonna get very, very messy 'round here.:look:

[Morgoth]

I call it ignorance. George Judas is a complete scumbag and should be fed to the ****ing pigs.

[godzy]

I call it ignorance. George Judas is a complete scumbag and should be fed to the ****ing pigs.

Can you give me an example of something he has done to earn the title "scumbag?" and why it was so bad?

EDIT: Aside from Episode I, which was awful in all respects.

[SuperXAsh]

How'd you get 1,000+ posts and not know of this? :sly:

I kid. :p

Well if you need explaining as to why, then you probably wouldn't really understand, no offense. But I'll try to explain it to you.

For many of us, growing up with Star Wars, before the Prequels, was a major part of our young lives. The sheer impact it made, on film itself and the Sci-Fi Genre especially, was HUGE. And we wanted more. Add to that the fact that we had been kinda led along with promises and talks, for years mind you, that the Big L was gonna ONE DAY make these "Prequels" that he was wanting to do so much, but could never do because "It'd be too expensive, and the then Movie Effects Technology wasn't capable of bringing it life." So we waited, and the fandom grew.

Responding to this emerging fandom, Georgie and his crew, in the 90's especially, made tons of merchandise to feed the growing need for MORE Star Wars. Video Games, Toys, Comics, Books, and Magazines all but helped this grow, and the Star Wars Universe began to develop as a result. The books and comics and games took the stories to new areas, continuing the adventures or showing what was ALSO going on during the Movies. And it was good, VERY good.

Then finally came the news TONS of fans were waiting for, and these long-delayed "Prequels" were finally going to be made. There really is no way to adequately describe the feeling of seeing early footage, concept art, etc. of Episode I, after all that build up especially. It was just that GREAT of a feeling. We were FINALLY going to see these "hallowed and all imporant" Prequels, finally get the rest of the story we had been only speculated about for years...

And then Episode I, the Phantom Menace, finally premiered... and... well... *sighs* I think you can deduce what happened then.

I was born in the mid-80's, and was quite the Star Wars fan, especially throughout the 90's, and well... Episode 1 really kinda... killed alot of that magic for me. I can only imagine what it was like for guys like Morgoth, who seemed to be deeper into the fandom than I was.

BUT I'm sure we'll, hopefully, get quite the explanation from Clint on his side of things. *shrugs* Course he's clearly stated his mind, which many of us echo, quite well and quite often in the past... so who knows?

[Zigra]

How about altering the original movies, then refusing to release the unaltered versions to DVD, and then spitting on the fans who wanted them released untouched (he eventually did release the unaltered versions, but only after putting up a fight not to have them released)? That had me thirsting for that sack of ****'s blood even more than the prequels.

[SuperXAsh]

How about altering the original movies, then refusing to release the unaltered versions to DVD, and then spitting on the fans who wanted them released untouched (he eventually did release the unaltered versions, but only after an initial refusal)? That had me thirsting for that sack of ****'s blood even more than the prequels.

Oh yeah that too. :sly:

[Zigra]

BTW, I came across an interesting interview with Gary Kurtz, the man who produced Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. In parts of the interview, he discusses George Judas' descent into greed and a lack of caring for the movies he makes, and at one point even debunks the lies Georgie has been telling us that the altered versions of the original trilogy are George's "true vision". You guys can read the interview yourselfs (though I'll warn you that it's a long interview, and he doesn't get around to discussing *****s and SW until page 2)-

http://movies.ign.com/articles/376/376873p1.html

[Raptor]

Phantom Menace + Clint = bad, bad things.'Nuff said. We've had enough problems with earthquakes in the Mid-west without Morgoth getting rattled. :p

[Morgoth]

I now present the 'best of Morgoth's diatribes from the Star Wars thread':

I think even Batman did not have quite the impact Star Wars did back in the day. Remember, Batman, while a great film that helped invigorate the comic industry for many years before greed caused it to reach a critical mass and explode in everyone's face, was not quite what Star Wars was. Look at sci-fi BEFORE Star Wars. While there were some great films, they were never quite so ambitious as Star Wars and almost always relegated to b-status budgets. The early Planet of the Apes films are about the only exception to this rule I can think of.

The sheer level of Star Wars had never been attempted before with so many starships, weird creatures, robots etc. There quite simply was not anything like it. Seeing it on the big screen was something magical, ***** managed to mix all the right elements he lifted from Japanese cinema into something really special, something that touched not merely kids but adults too in a way movies never had before. I can still remember my father subscribing to Bantha Tracks, the old SW newsletter to get all the info he could about the upcoming films and developments in the storyline. I can remember a SW comic strip running in newspapers, picking up comic books and trading cards, and of course the hordes of SW figures and toys which dominated until the advent of 3 3/4" G> I> JOe soldiers. There quite simply had never been anything like it before, and it really transformed alot of kids' childhoods back then. Alot of what Jeff says is spot on with my own experiences.

Now, sci-fi is no longer the red-headed stepchild of cinema, where studios throw a pathetic amount at the budget and sneak the end product into theatres quietly and without much fanfare. Sci-fi is now the genre of the blockbuster, the prestige picture, the summer mega-hit. Studios now put more investment in sci-fi than they do any other genre (even if I'd prefer more of that budget went into competent writing than special effects, but I digress). And Sci-fi is a genre that is no longer relegated to geeks, freaks and teenagers looking to scare their girlfriends - sci-fi is mainstream. All of this can be laid at the door of Star Wars and the huge cultural impact it had in the 1970's. A legacy now tainted by the crimes perpetrated upon it by the very man who set the ball in motion. If you'd told me in 1997 that I'd be feeling like this, I'd have said you were crazy. But you would have been hideously, horribly, right.


And respect the fact that around here, SW is despised and loathed with a level of venomness that would make a black mamba look harmless. You want to talk with people that don't hate what Georgie has done then go zip on over to a fan-boy forum for that drivel. Revenge of da Sith isn't the end of the SW franchise, The Phantom Menace was. But, obviously, you look at things through rose-coloured glasses and can't see that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. As for the prequels being better than any ten Godzilla movies, I'd have to violently disagree on that point. Chanel surfing I saw the fight from Attack of the Clowns at the very end - those effects are much worse than a lot of Showa-level sequences and, obviously, the story is even more convoluted and ridiculous than anything Toho has foisted on the public. Georgie has even developed this amazing ability that, through his direction, he can make even phenomenal actors like Samuel L Jackson, Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee come across as amateurs incapable of interacting with their surroundings, delivering real emotion in their lines, or even maintaining a straight face.

Oh, wait, that's right, everything is blue-screened so that there is nothing to interact with. I forgot. Hmmm, way to go Georgie, having Ewan McGregor trying to make eye contact with something that isn't there, isn't of human proportion and is in a setting that consists of a blue box until your precious ILM yes-men slap some pixels over it is so much better than, oh, building sets, using models. I mean, just look at the difference in quality between LotR and the prequels, I am so certain he made the right choice. And that bridge I own in Brooklyn is still up for sale too.

Ah, piss on this, I've wasted enough time with you people.
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Probably not, however I've been a bit more septic in my attitude toward these fools who can't see what Georgie has done, who still try and pretend these prequels are pinnacles of film-making. I can only shake my head and wonder how in Hell anybody can have such low standards for their entertainment to actually give a rat's *** what happens with Star Wars now. That franchise is dead, let it rot.

And for everybody who thinks that this third film is going to redeem everything - stop living in denial. It would take a miracle on the level of the Second Coming to erase and excuse the idiocy of the first two films.
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Empire is the one that half-wit had the least amount to do. He basically gave the writer the general 'high points' of what he wanted in there and then the story developed around that. As far as direction, Georgie was nowhere to be seen, that was Irwin Kerschner who directed Empire, so all those who think Empire is the best one - maybe it's because Georgie had the least amount to do with that one.



Oh, and this great man who has such a wonderful 'vision' for his films yet constantly goes for the easy out and the merchandise cop out. Return was originally supposed to have wookies, not ewoks (one can buy a stormtrooper going down when a wookie throws a rock at him, but when a 2 foot tall teddy bear does? ) and also the death of Lando and the Millenium Falcon (they don't make it out of the DEath Star) to show that no great victory is ever accomplished without sacrifice. Bit too heavy of a message for a movie designed to sell Kenner toys to six-year olds, so naturally his 'vision' changed.
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Jesus Christ on a crutch people!!!! There are NO original books this **** is based on!!!! George wrote one book, ONE, back in the 70's, which was Star Wars. The books for Empire and Jedi weren't even written by him, he just explained what he wanted, much as he did to the directors who made the films, and these prequel crap excuses for stories weren't even a bad idea back in the day. At best they were a handful of notes, which is a far cry from a finished work, but that is pretty fair since the resulting movies are a far cry from real films.

Trying to come up with all of these idiotic excuses that ***** has some grand vision, that these are stories he's had sitting around for 30 odd years is fanboy denial bullshit. The emperor ain't wearing no clothes folks, these revisionist Star Wars movies are bullshit, the prequels are bullshit and George is a powermad jackass who laughs every time one of you idiots decides to fuel his colossal ego-trip. Toho has financial reasons for doing what they do, ***** has some bombastic idea that he's God's gift to world cinema and to hell with the fans. Well, you know what, **** *****. Eventually he'll get so freaky that even the rabid overweight, haven't taken a shower in six months, pock-marked piss-wad little vegetables out there who wouldn't accept reality if it painted itself blue and shoved a giant Jar-Jar Binks doll up their caboose will realise the mook is a complete and utter moron. His vision? You mean he 'envisioned' having Hayden Christiansen in Return of the Jedi, an actor who wasn't even born when that movie was being made? You mean he 'envisioned' replacing huge wookies with tiny, consumer-friendly ewoks? And anybody who still can't see racist aspects to the aliens in these prequels needs to check with social security because you should be legally blind, or at least legally retarded. "mesa gonna go gits mesa some dat dere waddy-melon massa jedi.'

Well, this topic has now and truly pissed me off beyond belief and is thereby getting a padlock. :cursing:
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"General Grievous'? Goddammit, but ***** is a moron... Where are his cronies Major Malevolence and Lieutenant Larcenous? Just because you have a twenty word vocabulary George, doesn't mean people with an education do and using fairly common words to try and make 'sinister sounding' villain names is outright pathetic. Darth Maul, Darth (In)Sidious and Darth Tyrannus were stupid enough, but this is retarded even by *****' already retarded standards...

What I want to know is where are the men with the butterfly nets and why haven't they dragged this moron off to a looney bin yet?
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I wish the forums still allowed me to make posts that just consisted of this:

:nonono2:
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Who the hell knows exactly what the frag a Rodian is supposed to be, it doesn't really look like anything earth-like. The freaking Mon Cal are frigging frogs for cryin' out loud, though frogs with knockers. You're right, I'm spending way too much time bothering about still another instance of Judas and his obvious lack of intelligence - why woud an alien be even remotely different from a human being, why wouldn't they all have nice and recognisable female and male incarnations, unlike 50% of earth life forms where it gets a bit harder to tell the lads from the ladlies.


End of this rant, and the last time I let myself get sucked back into this worthless topic. SW isn;t worth the aggravation to bother about, much less actually debating with the drooling fan boys who still don't understand and never will. Just go and stand in line like that moron in Oregon. 'Lookee, first freak in my town to stand in line for a suck-*** movie that isn't coming out until May!'

:nonono2:
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No, all three of the wretched things looked like rejects from an Unreal or Quake game, especially that asinine rhino-looking thing. It takes the award for lamest retard in the 'signifigantly challenged' category. Really MM, you gotta stop liking EVERYTHING. Develop some taste for God's sake. :p
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know I said I wasn't going to post in here... but this bit of news is just so pathetic and lame that I just had to share it and spread the misery. We've been given a supply of posters to hand out at the theatre to patrons seeing RotS over Father's Day weekend. The posters show Darth Vader looking like he's reaching for Bud with the tagline 'Who's Your Daddy' written out in some truly lame glowing neon green font. Ah yes, brought to you by the same morons who thought 'Yo Da Man' was a brilliant advertising campaign.

That's all, you may now continue discussing your imbecilic geekdom.__________________


I could swear there was an in depth explanation somewhere in the thread as to the degree of betrayal and outright disdain ***** made old guard fans of his stupid movies feel when he got into his adopted daughter's crayon box and started scribbling the prequels. Frankly, I don't even have the energy to go into it. Much more satisfying to simply stick pins in the Official Kaijuphile George Judas Voodoo Doll.

[Morgoth]

Bruno's excellent review of ROTS:

OK, this is the result of the worst three hours I have ever spent in my entire life. Paid to sit and watch what may very well be the most worthless film I have ever seen, and that includes any Sci-Fi original I have stumbled across. Geeks, freaks and dweebs in denial, read no further, for I'm gonna blow yer feeble clerk minds. Small children, run and hide, because the language filter is gonna get a work out. Yes, I have a movie review, if movie this puddle of rancid garbage can be called. This is the smoking gun that Roger Ebert is either a) senile, b) completely without any taste at all, c) taking bribes, or d) dead and nobody bothered to tell him. Roeper has always been a tasteless little suck-up, so he doesn't get any attention.

SPOILED _ STOP READING HERE IF YOU INTEND TO WASTE MONEY AND TIME!




Ok, this film makes me dredge the very depths of my vocabulary for something diminutive and vile enough to categorize it. Films like 'Reptilian' and 'Gosford Park' are crap, and this is so much worse that it actually seems unjust to rate it so highly. Hence, we will best be served using the word 'pap' as in 'pap smeer'. Getting paid to ensure that this film was put together properly and is functional for the public tomorrow simply wasn't enough - getting paid to watch this obscenity simply wasn't enough. I need like a medal or something, Knight's Cross with Oak Leaf Clusters, something! Oh, and while it was put together properly, the rpint displayed bad lab splices and horrible discoloration marks on one reel - pretty great for what is supposed to be THE film of the summer. Very slipshod even in the running off of film prints.

Onto the movie, such as it is. I missed the first 5 minutes, deciding that taking a **** was more important than watching one. I am informed I missed a Trade Federales fleet bombarding Cormorant (yes, i know these terms are wrong, but **** George *****, I ain't using the right words, because I ain't wasting time wondering how to spell any of his innane babble). The jedi/clone guys attack in their fighters, trying to rescue Chancellor P who has been kidnapped by Christopher Lee and is being held on his flagship, supposedly to prevent it from being fired upon, I would assume. Anyway, Alec Guinness II and Whiney Suck-brat get onto the flagship, along with that moving blue trashcan thing that has been in every Cheese Danish film. They leave the trash can thingie in the hangar to like, interface with the computer or something, then they are off to head for like, the Chancellor (I'm assuming they used the Farce to figure out where he is on the ship, though this isn't exactly clear). Anyway, they kill some of those lame-*** battle droids (which are even lamer and more pathetic this time out than in any of the other ones. Honestly, those Fu-Manchu fish/newt guys must be programming these things by having them watch old Keystone Kops movies). The droids even get the drop on the two jedi at one point - they slam some blast doors shut infront of some of the rolling ball droid things, then turn around to have about a dozen battledroids telling them to drop their weapons, and these droids have guns probably not more than two inches from their heads. naturally, they slice and dice these Tyco rejects without taking a scratch. More lunacy ensues, with a trip up an elevator, Whiney Suck-brat gets impatient when the lift stops, while Obi contacts Trash Can to get the thing moving again. Of course, the only way to communicate with a robot is by talking to it very loudly over some walkie-talkie thing, so the bad droids who have come to see why this enemy fighter is sitting in their hangar hear all this and make it a point to see what is going on (I know this because they have to talk to each other in very bad Laurel and Hardy voices). Hilarity ensues as Trash Can tries to get the lift moving again, intercepting Whiney Suck-brat as he is climbing the shaft and being menaced by still more BDs who can't shoot something two inches from the muzzle of their guns. When Whiney Suck-brat falls into the elevator, Obi nearly cuts him in two, which i guess means we can't use the Farce to detect our own pupil from less than ten feet away. Trash Can uses some of its tools to cut open the bad droids, then uses its jet boosters (yeah, the ones we never saw in the first three films even once) to ignite all the oil and burn up the bad droids. If you haven't noticed yet, don't even try to figure any of this **** out.

OK, so Obi and Whiney Suck-brat (hereafter just WSB) find Chancellor P up in Christopher Lee's inner sanctum. Chris shows up, challenging both jedi (he's got two bad droids with him, but we already know they are worthless, so its obviously just him). Anyway, Chacellor P warns the jedi to take off, Chris Lee is too powerful for them, but naturally they ignore him. Chris has a fight with the two, the bad droids, as expected, get zapped about 2 seconds in, and Obi eventually gets smacked around with the Farce until Chris drops a large metal gantry ontop of him, looking as though it crushes Obi's legs rather throughly. Anyway, WSB and Chris continue to fight, while Chaclellor P looks on. WSB suddenly gets the upper hand and determined to retain it slices off Chris Lee's, naturally eliminating the threat of lightsabers and fingertip lightning (and probably making Chris wish he'd brough a pack of Uruk-hai rather than stumble-bum CGI robots). WSB now has both lightsabers and holds them to either side of Chris Lee's neck, informing him he's a prisoner of the Republic, yadda yadda yadda. Chacellor P chimes in about how WSB should just kill Chris (which makes Chris a bit peeved, that certainly wasn't in the script he saw) as he's too dangerous to let live. With some of the greatest acting since, well, I last watched paint dry on a cement sidewalk, WSB moralizes for all of 5 seconds about how he shouldn't, then slices Chris Lee's head off with a scissors motion of the sparklers he's holding. Chancellor P gloats a bit, then WSB frees him and they start to make their escape. WSB stops to pick up Obi, something not in Chancellor P's plan, but he goes along with it. More hilarity ensues as the ship starts taking serious damage from the big fight going on all around it. The three try to get back to the hangar, but never quite get there. Seems Chris Lee's flunky, a really lame CGI cyborg thingy named General Grievous (and I can't think of something lamer to call it, so GG it remains) is trying to co-ordinate the space battle from the ship's bridge but has enough time to keep tabs on the escaping jedi. After a batch on scenes involving random ACTION (as opposed to plot or storytelling, random video-game level ACTION is the rule here) and featureing the really sad image of Ian McDermott's head on a CGI running body, we finally get Trash Can, Obi, WSB and Chancellor P surrounded by loads of assorted droids, who then take them prisoner. Where do you take prisoners? Why to the bridge of course! Waht's worse, one of these stumblebum droids has the lightsabers, which it forks over to GG to add to its collection (housed inside its cloak). Did I mention Obi is ok? Yeah, that huge scaffold didn't even break any bones, just knocked him out for a bit.

Anyway, GG gloats for a bit, then the jedi of course use the Farce to get back their sabers, after Trash can (and why do you bring captive machines ot the bridge?) cuts their bonds, ropes, whatever they use in a galaxy not quite far away enough. Yes, more droid destruction. GG escapes by blasting out the window of his own ship and getting sucked out into space, then grapples onto the hull and makes his way to an escape pod, launching all the others on the ship to ensure he stays alone. After the pressure doors seal, Obi, WSB and Chancellor P, very spry for their exposure to vacuum, try to bring the crippled ship to land on Cormorant. Naturally, they succeed.

Well, I'm not going to go too indepth on the rest of this fiasco, so lets just start going loose and fast here. Seems GG and the Trade peeps have this galactic civil war in full swing and the jedi are all concerned about the powers Chancellor P keeps investing himself with in order to combat the situation. Chancellor P has some sort of almost mentor like relationship with WSB, who has knocked up Padme and is living with her in an apartment, apparently. But this is a secret from all the other jedi, who i guess can't use the Farce to find out much of anything. Random stuff here, with lame attempts at romance dialog (such crap as 'You are beautiful because I love you' 'So you are saying your love makes you blind?' that sort of really sorry tripe, its no wonder Georgie's kids are all adopted). My brain still hurts from alot of this stuff, which begs the question of did anybody even consider hiring an editor? Anyway, we get stuff like Chancellor P appointing WSB to the Jedi Council, who accept this flaunting of their authority under protest and therefore don't make WSB a Jedi master, which is supposed to be a part of that package, and which causes him to throw a little tantrum. Oh, and he's having prophetic visions of Padme dying, forgot to mention that. Anyway, the jedi are trying to help the clone army (remember them, stormtroopers only with lamer armour? Well, they are all over the place now, and with every armour variant you can imagine to ensure that Hasbro has lots of fodder for ripping off moron toy collectors). Long and short of it - Yoda heads off to Sasquatch to help all the wookies defend their planet, he's like an old friend to the wooks apparently, which proves that wookies are way too fond of little things. Meanwhile, Chancellor P has a dialog with WSB and tells him about intelligence that GG is on some planet (we'll call it dirty hole, because it looks like a big Dirt Hole) and also starts talking about the Sith with him, and talks about a legend about some Sith lord named Darth Plagueus (I **** you not, Plagueus!!!) who was able to heal people with the Farce, even keeping loved ones from dying. Naturally, that gets WSB thinking about preggo there and his vision of her dying. All he gets from Yoda when he tells the muppet about this vision is a bunch of pap about being selfish and Dark Side, yadda yadda yadda. Apparently just about anything that requires any sort of self-interest or emotion is gonna get you Dark Side points. Anyway, at some point here, the jedi ask WSB to spy on Chancellor P, Padme is worried about the powers P has so she asks the same, and WSB is getting pretty ticked at everybody using him as a spy. Well, during one of their meetings, Chancellor P gets a little too coy with WSB and causes him to realise 'hey, this guy is that Sith lord everybody is looking for'. He pulls his saber on him, but decides not to do anything. Instead he tells the council, causing Samuel L to head out with a few jedi freak-jobs to go arrest Chancellor P. Well, that turns into a fiasco, initiating an alternately lame/semi-decent fight between the two after Chancellor P kills the other jedi. WSB arrives when Samuel L has P on the ropes. Oh, and despite that 'we're gonna arrest you stuff' he spouted a few minutes earlier, now Samuel L is just gonna off him (yeah, people change motivations like Frenchmen change bed partners, so don't even try to figure out what anybody might be thinking). WSB tries to stop him, allowing Chancellor P (who is now old and nasty looking since he started using his Dark Side powers) to beat the snot out of Samuel L, tossing him out the window.

Well, ain't no question now, Chancellor P is the Sith lord. But WSB is still, like, uncertain and stuff. Chancellor P offers to mentor him, as a sith. He starts describing his plans, but far be it from this fudged up script to have any semblance of subtlety. The point is made that WSB needs Sith teachings to save preggo, but no attempt is made to make what Chancellor P is up to sound, well, appealing. None of this 'glorious empire' type stuff. no, its out and out comic book villain, Boris Badinov type stuff, with slaughtering the jedi and that sort of thing taking front and centre stage (anybody think Hitler would have pulled his coup off if his platform had been 'and if you follow me I'm gonna gas six million people, start a world war and induct every person that can't outrun the Gestapo into the armed forces' or if Caligula would have reigned as long as he had if his first words when he became emperor were 'We will now start killing at random every other person with the name Gaius'). Well, WSB buys this hook line and sinker, with all the turmoil and emotion of, i dunno, the plastic action figures of him I predict rotting in Target stores six months from now. Chancellor P sends the message out to all his clone troopers 9who are working with the jedi all over the place, recall) that its time to initiate 'Plan 66' and knock off all the jedi. WSB, meanwhile, is sent to the jedi temple on Cormorant to kill all the jedi there, including those little jedi kids. Naturally, he does all of this without question.

Meanwhile, Obi has been trapped on Dirt Hole fighting GG's robots. I'll not get into this stupidity, just say it involves more Keystone Kops moments, overdone supervillain bravado along the lines of 'don't shoot him he's mine' tripe, and a screeking, scronking idiotic lizard mount that moves even more fakely than Yonggary. Suddenly, even Centropolis effects don't look so bottom of the barrel. Long and short of it - GG gets dusted after what seems like hours, Clone Troopers turn on Obi when they get the order, after initially helping him against all of GG's droid stumblebums. Obi survives and escapes, much as Yoda manages to do on Sasquatch with the help of the wookies, one of whom defies incredulity by being Chewbacca. Other jedi, well, they get offed. Guess the Farce isn't good for reading minds anymore, or blocking blaster shots from anything but robots reared on Keystone Kops films.

Damn, I've been typing forever and still seem no closer to the end!!! More in Part II, I suppose...

Part II - In which any hope that the prequels would not completely blow is vanquished forever.


OK, WSB has been titled Darth Vader by Chancellor P, seems he grabs the name out of thin air too. Anyway, he's trying to impress preggo with this, she's like, all concerned for him and stuff. I dunno. Long and short, cut to the chase. Yodan and Obi have been picked up by Bail Organna's ship, they seem to be the only jedi who escaped the trap Chancellor P set up. That whole sudden 'Farce malfunction' thing that gets everybody killed. Anyway, Chancellor P tells DV-WSB where the Trade Federales leaders are hiding, so he can go over there and kill them and end the rebellion. Oh, and somewhere in here he declares that the Republic is no more and they are now the first galactic Empire, which he does without any of the sugar coating 'hey this is a good idea' stuff real dictators did. Guess Georgie couldn't be bothered to look over any of Hitler of Julius Casear's or even Mussolini's speeches. Well, it turns out that these guys are hiding on the lava moon of Mordor (I'm not kidding, there are shots of this thing that are straight rip offs from PJ's vision of Mordor and Mount Doom, he even has these orc like guys working what looks like a skiff in one of the lava flows, amidst the mandatory zipping and whirring flying droids). Chancellor P dials 'em up on his hologram thing and manages to make one of the film's few good lines. He tells the Trade guys that his apprentice Lord Vader will be coming there to 'take care of them'. Yeah, well, guess how that turns out? Once again, who the hell programmed these friggin droids? They make cylons look like crackshots for crying out loud!

Meanwhile, Obi and Yoda head back to Cormorant to disable some trap signal that is advising any surviving jedi to regroup at the temple. They butcher their way through clone troopers to get in, find everybody dead from lightsaber wounds, then pretty much just hang out for awhile. (yes, no alarm has been raised apparently and nobody is looking for them or concerned what happened to all these soldiers at the jedi temple). Turns out there were security holograms, which show the whole thing, with WSB killing everybody and even his defection to the sith, despite that happening clear across town. Next great line of the film, where Obi turns away in disgust from the WSB tapes. 'I can't watch any more of this.' Neither can I.

Well, after that, Obi winds up with Padme and Goldenrod and Trashcan and they head off for Mordor to find WSB and try to, well, like uh, make him good or something. Guess slaughtering children isn't a qualifyer for 'irredeemable vermin ******* who needs to be shot'. Anyway, while they are gone, Yoda has this really bright idea where he's gonna sneak in and kill Chancellor P. This rates probably an 8 on the 'wtf were you thinking' meter, and really comes out of nowhere. We wind up intercutting the ensuring fight with the one that will be unfolding on the moon of Mordor. Pretty much an excuse to display stuff that will be in the Cheese Danish home video game, with Chancellor P tossing senate seats at Yoda, that sort of thing. Super muppet bouncing around like Elmo on PCP. By this time, the stupidity is escalating so badly that the brain is becoming numbed by it, just whimpering in horror and wishing there was a loaded Luger nearby. By the way, Yoda looks so friggin fake. It defies belief how nobody could have appreciated how bad he looks in almost every shot in this fiasco. Oh, the Emperor does get one good line, the third of only three in this whole inanity. Having just *****-slapped Yoda into a heap on the floor, he stalks over and says in that nasty chortle of his 'I've been waiting for this a long time, my little green friend'. Of course, we already know these two guys can't die, so the fight is tedious rather than dramatic. Eventually Yoda escapes, sneaking through some sewage pipe or something and dropping down into a getaway car piloted by Bail.

Back to Mordor. It apparently takes Obi and Padme like 5 minutes to fly here, that or WSB likes the place so much he's taking a few week vacation. Both explanations suck and the Cheese Danish nimrods out there need to pick one. Anyway, we get this really touching scene of WSB and Preggo talking and trying to work things out. Oh, and in the course of about 5 seconds WSB goes from doing all of this to try and save preggo to 'I can overthrow the Emperor and then we can rule the entire galaxy'. This isn't quite the come on line he expected, and when she recoils in shock, Obi shows up on the exit ramp of their ship. Now that really pisses WSB off and he starts choking her with the Farce, knocking her unconscious. This all leads into the big fight SW geeks have waited so long to finally see, WSB vs Obi. Yep, and the fight really sucks balls. Instead of the drama that even Toho understands every fight needs, where one opponent dominates then the other, a game of constant back and forth, this one is so evenly matched that it is devoid of even the slightest drama. Plenty of CGI visuals, if you are a geek, with huge metal towers plunging into the lava and floating around, but my brain hurts even trying to make sense of that. Cut to the chase, Obi reaches land while WSB is still floating along on some metal skiff thingie. He warns WSB that he has the high ground, which I don't understand being revelant, but OK. WSB attacks anyway and in a moment as fast and undramatic as the death of Darth maul in the first film, Obi slices off in one sweep of his sparkler WSB's legs and remaining arm. The torso is there, lying on the ground slowly sliding toward the lava and here is the best damning curse he can hurl at Obi: 'I hate you!' Man, move over Shakespeare, there is a new king of dialog and his name is George *****s (the censor is gonna nail that one, so here it is again: L U C A S S). He leaves WSB there, all mangled and crying and heads back to Preggo, getting her onto the ship and taking off. Oh, and some sparks or something from the lava cause WSB to ignite like a roman candle. Apparently Obi doused him in parafin during one of the cut aways to Super Grover's fight with the Emperor.

The wrap-up, finally. The Emperor gets his crusty *** over to Mordor to see if Gollum has destroyed the Ring yet, but instead finds WSB all burnt and icky. He has the clone troopers get a med evac for him, then pats WSB's head to let him know it'll be alright - or just to see how gross all that sticky ***** skin is. Meanwhile, on Bail's ship, Preggo pops, amazingly creating two identical CGI/animatronic imps. She dies off, as the CGI droid attending her says 'because she has no will to live'. Meanwhile, back on Cormorant, ole WSB is dragged back into a medical facility. He's got an oxygen mask on and is in a hovering stretcher thing, but otherwise he's perfectly exposed to the rain. Real sanitary and high tech. Anyway, the Emperor's droids get to work on him and get him some nice metal legs and another robot arm, then start kitting him out in all that familiar armour and the infamous mask. EXACTLY as I predicted in 1999, we get Darth Vader in the flesh for all of 5 minutes, if that, at the *** end of the thrid movie. As soon as he is in the mask, its James earl Jones' voice again, yay! Of course the dialog he has after he says 'Yes, my master' is about the worst in the film. The Emperor tells him how Preggo is dead and that WSB's anger killed her, at which point Darth throws a Farce tantrum, causing machinery to crumple and explode. Oh, and he tears free from the lab table he's strapped too, and I **** you not, exactly like the Frankenstein monster!

Uh, Yoda goes into exile. Bail takes the girl baby as his kid, Obi takes boy baby back to Tattoonine. Goldenrod gets his memory wiped. Preggo gets buried on Naboo, with a dress that makes her look preggers still (oh, and Jar Jar ****ing Binks is at the funeral, so no, *******s, he didn't get killed. Told you George doesn't listen to fans, just spits on them at every chance). Darth and the Emperor stride the deck of a space ship meeting with a guy wearing a Peter Cushing mask as construction begins on the Death Star (and where, may I ask, is Dr Evil in all this? The Death Star was his idea, as was the Alan Parsosn Project).

I have to say that the ending was the best part. Not so much what was going on, just that it ****ing ended. Oh, and in case you were wondering who just ripped you off and stole three hours from your life, egomaniac's name is the first one to flash up in the credits.

Honestly, if you are able to enjoy this film, seek medical attention because you are braindead.

[Zigra]

Wow, Clint. You had time to search for all that, yet you don't have time to finish "Godzilla vs. Deutalios"? :p

[Morgoth]

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Is it just me or does it take a fairly severe maiming to deactivate the Skywalker whiny-puss-boy gene?

It's just you, because even in the mask, he's a Skywalker whiney-puss-boy. I imagine that will be the next thing George 'tweeks' to match whatever moronic vision he 'originally intended' for the old films. Instead of something like 'Apology accepted Admiral Needa' (or whatever the guy's name was) it'll be 'I hate you! You're trying to hold me back!'
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Hey, if you saw the Clone Wars mini series, you would know why I like Grievous. He has the ability of takeing on 5 jedi at once, and two of them council members, and still win! And I like his wheel bike, it looks very well deverse for many terrains. Oh and by the way, he is allowed to be over confident, only about 5 people in the movie can actually beat him. (Yoda, Windu, Palpatine, Dooku, and just barely Obi Wan).

Also if you said anything bad about Star Wars to my mom, she would rip out your heart and eat it for breakfast.:laugh:

The boy are you gonna be pissed with what ***** does with your boy on film! This asthmatic moron couldn't tie his shoe and fend off a hungry squirrel at the same time.
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Here is something I sent to Reapergoji which I think should put everything in line and show why I get incensed at the fanboys who keep holding Star Wars to a lower standard than they would another film (at least i hope they would, otherwise they probably tune in to watch test patterns on TV, their standards are so low):
Please understand, what I am incensed about is George ***** and how he just keeps foisting this garbage on people and the fanboys, the rabid Yoda-ear wearing nutjobs, just keep sucking it up and saying how awesome it is. You know, maybe, just maybe, if Phantom Menace had been treated with the scorn, hatred and derision (and more importantly, box office failure) it warranted, then George would have been cured of his rampant megalomania and farmed the scripts and directing duties for the other two to people who were actually competent to do the job.__________________

[Morgoth]

Wow, Clint. You had time to search for all that, yet you don't have time to finish "Godzilla vs. Deutalios"? :p

Writing takes alot more effort and concentration than trawling through old threads. Besides, this is my break from researching the SS for Darkson Designs which is proving to be a much bigger enterprise than I was planning it to be.

[alienhulk2099]

All six Star Wars movies are the best of all time, with one minor exception (which I will not say) that surpasses them all.:cool: I really don't see how the prequels were bad: PM had FOUR battle scenes going on at once, AotC had one REALLY big batte, and RotS had action throughout the movie.How I rank 'em:

3 and 6 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 4

[Goji Son]

All six Star Wars movies are the best of all time, with one minor exception (which I will not say) that surpasses them all.:cool: I really don't see how the prequels were bad: PM had FOUR battle scenes going on at once, AotC had one REALLY big batte, and RotS had action throughout the movie.How I rank 'em:

3 and 6 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 4

... One of these days I hope you can figure out that there is something more to films then just how many battles, monsters, or special effects there are. Then again, George never did.

[Morgoth]

Ouch, burn! Burn worse than Terrence drying off in a microwave.

[Lordofmonsterisland]

The original trilogy was the epitome of all filmmaking, and probably the thing that made me love films. I almost wish sometimes that I could have been old enough and seen them in theaters. They are the best films I've ever watched in my life, only surpassed in my mind by the Lord of the Rings trilogy. But when George Puucus (I have to get around it somehow) went back and did the prequel trilogy, he messed everything up. Nothing matched up. 20 years, when the original trilogy made it out as 50. Whiny little boy, instead of a powerful warrior. Everything went to crap. And thus, GL shall be hated for all eternity.

All six Star Wars movies are the best of all time, with one minor exception (which I will not say) that surpasses them all.:cool: I really don't see how the prequels were bad: PM had FOUR battle scenes going on at once, AotC had one REALLY big batte, and RotS had action throughout the movie.How I rank 'em:

3 and 6 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 4

Dude, you are so dead meat. Pray Morgoth has pity on you.

... One of these days I hope you can figure out that there is something more to films then just how many battles, monsters, or special effects there are. Then again, George never did.

Amen. Amen, amen, amen. There's supposed to be this massively important thing in there called STORY.

Writing takes alot more effort and concentration than trawling through old threads. Besides, this is my break from researching the SS for Darkson Designs which is proving to be a much bigger enterprise than I was planning it to be.

I will vouch for him that writing is much more difficult that finding, or even remembering, previous rants.

[Orga777]

Well, Morgoth pretty much summed it up. I have to agree with him on most of it too. Although I still like Episode 3. May not be as good as 4, 5, or 6, but it was still more enjoyable than the tripe in 1 (one of the worst films ever made) and 2.

Lets all just be happy that it is finally over, which is the best thing anyone can say about the series at this point. Lets leave it to the writers of the books out there (who are actually more talented than ***** is, which I find hilariously ironic.)

Oh, and looking back on it, Morgoth was right, I was kinda pissed with what ***** did to Grievous on film. He was down right pathetic. Which is OUT OF CHARACTER for him to be... Kinda pathetic on Georgies part really. Making a character in his own universe out of character.

[Zeptron]

Movie Grievous was really a Skrull. ;)

[alienhulk2099]

One of these days I hope you can figure out that there is something more to films then just how many battles, monsters, or special effects there are.

There is and it's called interest. Oh yeah, I was wearing an anti-heat suit, so my skin isn't burned.:cool:

Pray Morgoth has pity on you.

He did just post.;)*Hides under rock*

[Lordofmonsterisland]

The Original Trilogy was by far the best of them all. As for the Prequels, Episode 2 was the best story wise, character wise and battle wise. Episode 1 was kinda out there, and Episode 3 seemed like it never left the concept stage. Episode 3 just told what happened, no underlying story, no good ideas, nothing. Flat out crap. Only cool thing was the Mustafar battle.

[Solar_Behemoth]

EDIT: Aside from Episode I, which was awful in all respects.

Episode II and Episode III are also shitty movies.

[godzy]

Well, it's all starting to make sense now. Thanks for the info, guys. I'm kinda starting to dislike him now myself.....

[Cole Deschain]

Making a character in his own universe out of character.

You mean Darth Emo hadn't convinced you?


And really, in sober hindsight-

If Georgie-boy had known what he was doing, well...

Luke and Leia french SEVERAL times- particularly bad tonsil-hockey at the start of Empire

So.

Either he just threw crap in as he went along...

Or he has a thing for incest.

[Orga777]

You mean Darth Emo hadn't convinced you?

No. Prequel Anakin doesn't exist. He is just a figment of our imaginations... <.<' He isn't portrayed as a whiney suck-brat and isn't acted by one of the worst actors to ever get into Hollywood...<.<''

As for the rest, it just hurts the brain to even think about that.....

[Zigra]

Or he has a thing for incest.

On that note, I should point out that there was another interview with Gary Kurtz where Kurtz said the original plan was for Luke's sister to be a whole new character. When plans were changed to make "Return of the Jedi" the final film (there were actually suppose to be like three or four movies after that), Herr Judas then threw out this character and make Leia Luke's sister instead, just to simplify things.

So much for Georgie having a unchanging "master plan" :nonono2:

[Mecha-Rodan]

Hayden can't act in the first place, and his taking on probably the most important roll in the entire Star Wars franchise was enough to make me wanna puke. And that was before I joined the forums and realized the true idiocracy behind them. While I don't share the same hatred of the movies that Clint and some of the others do. I didn't grow up loving Star Wars... I grew up loving Godzilla, and so GINO is my object of disgust, though that movie was helmed by an entirely different crew who basically just wanted to spit on the Godzilla franchise and hope to make some quick cash for it. Devlin and Emmerich are nothing but petty criminals (who still continue to concieve evil plans to rob people of their time and money), while ***** ruined his own franchise, raped it of its value and common decency (if it had any to begin with), and basically told his own fans to go screw themselves. He is more like a child molester in that regard. A sick perverted old child molester who not only goes after his own children but their friends and thier families.

[Lordofmonsterisland]

What we need is a much more accurate recreation of Episodes 1 through 3, starting with the fact that Anakin should be at least 4 years older, if not more, in Episode 1. Then move on to actually giving Episode a plotline that exists.

[Goji Son]

What we need is a much more accurate recreation of Episodes 1 through 3, starting with the fact that Anakin should be at least 4 years older, if not more, in Episode 1. Then move on to actually giving Episode a plotline that exists.

You know, the prequels could have actually just started with Attack of the Clones and then we could have had a Clone Wars film and the Revenge and it would have been at least a minutely better series. It's almost as sad as the fact that ***** just doesn't care and it would have made him un godly amounts of
money either way.

[Super Angillas]

That they should have started with Attack of The Clones(but with a better title) is something me and my friends all agree on. The sad thing is that there is just so much wasted potential in the movies. One can just imagine how it would have been if Goerge had someone actually overlooking him this time around, and if better directors had been brought in to do the movie. Speaking of his direction, I seem to recall that in several interviews GL just does not know how to direct the actors and is very uncomfortable doing it. Now among other points I want to bring up...

Better Aliens- Namly, let's compare Jar Jar the Wretched with Chewbacca the Increadable. Why is one universally reviled, and the other universally loved? Because Jar Jar sucks at everything he does. Not only is he a bad stereotype, but he's cowardly as hell, and anytime he does something right it is entirly on accedent. Nothing is hated more than the odieus comic relief. Now Chewbacca is a solid background charecter. He's kept restrained. His funny moments are funny. Remember that look he has after 3PO tells R2 to throw the game in episode 4? And he's not usless. He doesn't steal scenes, but he does help out. A friend of mine had once said that if instead of Jar Jar, it was the Gungen general used in Phantom Menace, then it would have been much better.

Effects- While I'm sure the cast and crew didn't mind not having to deal with the conditions in a dessert or Glacier, they still messed things up. By the time the prequels were made, you could make a set and then touch it up with CGI. Another part of the problem is that it's to shiny. Stuff looked used in the original trilogy. When they made the models they realized, hey lets scrape up the paint, rub in some dirt, and give it a few dings. Now even if they add scortch marks, they still look artificial. And even the best actor has trouble talking to thin air. That's why most movies have some sort of stand in. Part of what made Gollum so great in LOR was that they had Andy Sirkis there to play off of.

Wasted Potential- Sooo much. There were good ideas, they just were not developed well. The first thing that springs to mind is Count Dooku. Not even GL could fully ruin a performance by Lee. Dooku had an interesting back story, and I hope someone actually covered his fall in the expanded universe. It seems like they totally wasted him in the movies. A fallen Jedi, who went bad trying to fight the Sith and do the right thing? Could have been a great complex villian, someone who felt he was still doing good, and who was trying to fix what he saw as a corrupt and failing system. Instead he ends ups as Darkside= Boo I'm evil! Damn it, i would have loved to see the story of his fall.

Well I'm goint to stop now, but there is soo much we could all go on about.

[Lordofmonsterisland]

That they should have started with Attack of The Clones(but with a better title) is something me and my friends all agree on. The sad thing is that there is just so much wasted potential in the movies. One can just imagine how it would have been if Goerge had someone actually overlooking him this time around, and if better directors had been brought in to do the movie. Speaking of his direction, I seem to recall that in several interviews GL just does not know how to direct the actors and is very uncomfortable doing it. Now among other points I want to bring up...

Better Aliens- Namly, let's compare Jar Jar the Wretched with Chewbacca the Increadable. Why is one universally reviled, and the other universally loved? Because Jar Jar sucks at everything he does. Not only is he a bad stereotype, but he's cowardly as hell, and anytime he does something right it is entirly on accedent. Nothing is hated more than the odieus comic relief. Now Chewbacca is a solid background charecter. He's kept restrained. His funny moments are funny. Remember that look he has after 3PO tells R2 to throw the game in episode 4? And he's not usless. He doesn't steal scenes, but he does help out. A friend of mine had once said that if instead of Jar Jar, it was the Gungen general used in Phantom Menace, then it would have been much better.

Effects- While I'm sure the cast and crew didn't mind not having to deal with the conditions in a dessert or Glacier, they still messed things up. By the time the prequels were made, you could make a set and then touch it up with CGI. Another part of the problem is that it's to shiny. Stuff looked used in the original trilogy. When they made the models they realized, hey lets scrape up the paint, rub in some dirt, and give it a few dings. Now even if they add scortch marks, they still look artificial. And even the best actor has trouble talking to thin air. That's why most movies have some sort of stand in. Part of what made Gollum so great in LOR was that they had Andy Sirkis there to play off of.

Wasted Potential- Sooo much. There were good ideas, they just were not developed well. The first thing that springs to mind is Count Dooku. Not even GL could fully ruin a performance by Lee. Dooku had an interesting back story, and I hope someone actually covered his fall in the expanded universe. It seems like they totally wasted him in the movies. A fallen Jedi, who went bad trying to fight the Sith and do the right thing? Could have been a great complex villian, someone who felt he was still doing good, and who was trying to fix what he saw as a corrupt and failing system. Instead he ends ups as Darkside= Boo I'm evil! Damn it, i would have loved to see the story of his fall.

Well I'm goint to stop now, but there is soo much we could all go on about.


Perfecto Super Angilas. Scrap Episode I, incorporate some parts into Episode II (Qui-Gon Jin having some sort of confrontation with his former master Count Dooku; Anakin Skywalker being found by Qui & Obi; Padme forced to evac Naboo, but perhaps have the planet destroyed completely instead), make Anakin older (I don't think anybody wanted to see Darth Vader as a ten-year-old called "Ani"), actually have it take place resonibly far in the past so that the Admiral in IV doesn't sound like a fool for saying that the Jedi were an "ancient order" and "long dead". But personally, I believe "Jar Jar Stinks" should seriously have been done away with; no creature that stupid would be alive. And I agree that pretty much everything looked too new and shiny in the prequels; now, if everything had taken place a lot longer before the Original Trilogy, and the Clone Wars had been a lot longer, maybe then things would have looked so much different. And I seriously wanted to see more of Chewbacca in the original trilogy; come on people, in IV he was two-hundred-freaking-years-old.

[SuperXAsh]

A friend of mine had once said that if instead of Jar Jar, it was the Gungen general used in Phantom Menace, then it would have been much better.

This is something I've said too. The Gungan General character was pretty darn cool, would've enjoyed him being in a more major role than Binks ever was. Would've at least reduced Phantom Menace's suck factor by MAYBE 50-60% :sly: :p

Effects- While I'm sure the cast and crew didn't mind not having to deal with the conditions in a dessert or Glacier, they still messed things up. By the time the prequels were made, you could make a set and then touch it up with CGI. Another part of the problem is that it's to shiny. Stuff looked used in the original trilogy. When they made the models they realized, hey lets scrape up the paint, rub in some dirt, and give it a few dings. Now even if they add scortch marks, they still look artificial. And even the best actor has trouble talking to thin air. That's why most movies have some sort of stand in. Part of what made Gollum so great in LOR was that they had Andy Sirkis there to play off of.

Well in some cases they DID have stand-in actors to play off of, but not always. But yeah, most of the time they just had blue screen.

Wasted Potential- Sooo much. There were good ideas, they just were not developed well. The first thing that springs to mind is Count Dooku. Not even GL could fully ruin a performance by Lee. Dooku had an interesting back story, and I hope someone actually covered his fall in the expanded universe. It seems like they totally wasted him in the movies. A fallen Jedi, who went bad trying to fight the Sith and do the right thing? Could have been a great complex villian, someone who felt he was still doing good, and who was trying to fix what he saw as a corrupt and failing system. Instead he ends ups as Darkside= Boo I'm evil! Damn it, i would have loved to see the story of his fall.

Yeah I found it kinda weird, and aggravating, that Dooku's entire complex story was basically dropped after AotC. He WAS pretty much just another wasted character in the prequels. If someone BETTER had been allowed to take over this movie, I'm sure we'd have gotten closure to this that was more fitting than just letting Whiney Suckbrat decapitate him ten minutes into the movie.

Am I also the only one who was pissed that ALL THESE PRETTY COOL VILLAIN CHARACTERS were so foolishly wasted in this Trilogy? Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and General Grievous were all mishandled and disposed of before they were given ANY time to develop. YET we're supposed to care about them and treat them as legitimate threats when they're so easily dispatched?

I was hoping, at the onset of these prequels, that Darth Maul would've lasted through the entire Trilogy THEN get his *** handed to him by Darth Vader, which would've been AWESOME.

It's also sad how well the animated clone wars series treated guys like Dooku and Grievous, yet the live-action side of things treated them like jokes almost.

so yeah... tons.... TONS... of wasted potential. This had the potential to be the NEW STAR WARS EXPERIENCE of the 21st Century... and was just.... squandered.

[Super Angillas]

With Maul I see him as bieng the attack dog type villian. Sidious points him at what he want's dead and he kills it. That's how I like him. Where as Dooku is the aristicrat. He makes a better frontman than any of the other Sith. I mean he's so damn Charismatic you can buy him leading a rebbelion. Vader is awsome. Emo Anikain is best ignored. For me a great moment with Vader is when he's taking Luke to the emperor and and Luke tries to convince Vader there is still good in him. Vader tells him that it is far too late. It's both a statment of fact, and full of regret, but not whiney. As for Qui-Gon he was great. definitly a charecter who was interesting, and a huge surprise. The droid army was an good idea, and they did do better against the Gungians than the stormtroopers did against the Ewoks.

[Orga777]

The droid army was an good idea, and they did do better against the Gungians than the stormtroopers did against the Ewoks.

Considering the droid army is mostly made up of useless Battle Driods, what does that tell you about the Gungan Army.;)

[Super Angillas]

That they should have used Ewoks?

Oh and let us not forget that there were many stupid ideas in the prequels as well. One in particular set our teeth to grating. I won't say what it was, but I will say some things should not get scientific sounding explinations.

[Orga777]

That they should have used Ewoks?

Oh and let us not forget that there were many stupid ideas in the prequels as well. One in particular set our teeth to grating. I won't say what it was, but I will say some things should not get scientific sounding explinations.

You ,mean the Force and all that bullshit about Midichlorians?

And yes, they should have used Ewoks just because Gungans suck so bad. 'Yub yub!'

[SpaceHunterM]

At least it was semi believable when the things they threw knocked around the Battle Droids. I personally like the idae of the species as a whole, its just they were affected by.....umm.... well *****.

[Orga777]

At least it was semi believable when the things they threw knocked around the Battle Droids. I personally like the idae of the species as a whole, its just they were affected by.....umm.... well *****.

Believable or not, they lost to the most useless creations in the Star Wars Universe. It makes me giddy every time I read that Durge gassed a whole colony of those useless amphibians.

[Super Angillas]

Granted The Gungians were made useless by how they were portrayed. Done differently (IE not the CGI equivelent of Blackface) They may have been a much better race. I hold out hope that in some alternate reality we got the prequel triology that could have been.

[Lordofmonsterisland]

OK, here it is part of what could've been. Please help though, because I'm still suffering for ideas about Episodes II and III.

Episode I: The Clone Wars (I need a better name)
Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jin and Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi head to Naboo to try and stop the Trade Federation fleet (part of the recently formed CIS) from commencing hostilities. They fail, but manage to save a considerable amount of the Humans and Gunguns before the planetary bombardment (they all flee on large refugee ships to Coruscant), while Qui-Gon and Obi's ship takes the Gungun leaders, the Queen of Naboo, and their respective entourages with them. However, their ship was damaged in the escape, and must set down on Tatooine. There they find a 15-year-old slave named Anakin Skywalker that both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon believe to be the prophesied "Chosen One". After Anakin manages to win the Boonta Eve Pod Race and get the money for the ship parts the Jedi need, he goes with them. The group arrives on Coruscant, where the Trade Federation attempt an assassination of Queen Amidala. But, one of Padme's handmaidens (dressed as Padme) is killed instead. To protect Padme, Obi-Wan sends Anakin (now his Jedi Padawan) with her to Dantooine, where they begin to fall in love. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan manage to track the bountry hunter to Kamino, finding a giant clone army, supposedly ordered by the Jedi Council through Master Syphidias, who had been dead ten years now. After a duel with Jango Fett, the Jedi follow him to Geonosis, where they equally immense droid factories for the Trade Federation. Meanwhile, news of the Naboo attack & the assassination attempt force Chancellor Vellorum to step down, with Palpatine rising into his place to quickly authorize the Clone Army of the Republic. Anakin receives a message from Obi and Qui that tells all, but soon cuts out as the two are attacked. Anakin relays this to the council, then heads for Geonosis with Padme, C-3PO, R2-D2 and General Tarpals (the Gungun general). The fact is that Qui and Obi were discovered, and had fought a massive duel with Darth Maulik (taking his name from a mistranslation of the ancient Dark Lord known as Darth Malak), which ended in their capture. Anakin's group arrives, but are also captured. The Arena scene plays out, but maybe some more monsters. Then Mace Windu's advance Jedi appear and temporarily save the day. A battle between the Jedi and Droids takes place, and during this Mace duels, and kills, Jango as Boba watches. Yoda arrives with the Clones and the real battle starts. Qui and Obi fight Darth Maulik, and Qui-Gon dies. Obi-Wan gives chase, and Anakin follows, picking up Qui-Gon's lightsaber (his first lightsaber to ever use). The hanger fight takes place, with Maulik instead of Dooku, and Yoda doesn't appear. Instead, Obi and Anakin defeat him without losing limbs, only bad wounds. The movie ends with the Mace/Obi/Yoda scene, the mobilization of the Clones, Sidious' evil plan (and the reveal of Dooku), and Padme and Anakin's secret marriage.

Episode II: Advent of the Empire
Not much of an idea for this one, but it deals a lot with the battles of the Clone Wars. The Empire if formed. The Clone Wars end after about 5 years of fighting (without Anakin's rampage). Anakin's mother dies. Probably includes Asajj Ventress, and it for sure includes Count Dooku. The Jedi Purge begins, and it's actually a hunt across the galaxy, not just Order 66. Anakin does not go dark...... yet.

Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
This is the end of the Jedi Purge, a last attempt by the few remaining Jedi to stop Sidious after 15 years of running and hiding. The last Jedi fail, and Anakin falls. The dramatic Anakin versus Obi-Wan and Yoda versus Sidious duels take place. The Twins are born and Padme dies. Yoda and Obi-Wan go into exile. Oh, and Tarpals dies trying to save Padme from Anakin.

[Burkion]

Well, new movie coming up.

As per rules, discussion must take place here.

In the thread I helped name.

I love this thread.

[Neo-Crucifer]

Well, new movie coming up.

As per rules, discussion must take place here.

In the thread I helped name.

I love this thread.


I think Morgoth's brain erupted when he saw the trailer for Clone Wars. Can't really blame him, either...

[alienhulk2099]

I'm not seeing Clone Wars in theaters, for all I know it's a retelling of the microseries. I'll aim for DVD release.



Oh yeah I voted Super Battle Droid.

[Morgoth]

This crap doesn't faze me anymore. Hard to care about something that is dead and pathetic with only the most insipid vegetables still going gonzo over it. Take offense to that if you are a Georgie Judas pod-person, I really don't care.

[Orga777]

I will probably see this. Mostly because I enjoyed the micro-series (which were 100x superior to the Prequel films.) As long as I get General Grievous kicking Jedi ***, I will be happy. Especially after his sad performance on film.

[SpaceHunterM]

Won't buy it, but I know some people are extremely excited about it for one reason or another. Looks a bit kiddy for my tastes, but I might get dragged to it and who knows it might be entertaining to see Plo Koon kick some ***.

[Mecha-Rodan]

I'll give it a rent. I actually enjoyed the miniseries, since it was more entertaining than the prequel films (and had a better storyline no less).

[Mecha74]

Hmmm....

Have seen the trailer.

Why does Dooku have a tumor on his chin?

Or maybe he's hiding another fist in there like Chuck Norris, only a fist with another lightsaber perhaps.

[kent]

Why would this story need to be told? I don't get it because we know what happens in the big scheme of things so this isn't going to give us anything groundbreaking. The only reason why I could see this getting made is just to make $$$ off of the SW brand. Don't plan on seeing it...ever. There's no need to simply because this is a worthless, and nonessential, story.

[Mecha74]

Meh, I'll probably still give it a rental, I am an unapologetic Christopher Lee fanboy and I'll pretty much watch anything that he's in even if it is only voice work.

[Seer235]

Hm. Someone has put on the start of Star Wars Episode III, and from rewatching the opening, I've realized something.

It essentially plays out as a parody of the Star Wars movies. Kind of like Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, but this isn't supposed to be funny.

It's got a slapstick quality about the Jedi and Palpatine running around, Greivous is the fist clenching moustache twirling villain, and the droids are the bumbling disgruntled assistants.

I mean, the comment by Obi-Wan "How could this happen? We're smarter than this," seems like it's pointing out the ridiculum and stupidity of the whole thing.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

Hm. Someone has put on the start of Star Wars Episode III, and from rewatching the opening, I've realized something.

It essentially plays out as a parody of the Star Wars movies. Kind of like Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, but this isn't supposed to be funny.

It's got a slapstick quality about the Jedi and Palpatine running around, Greivous is the fist clenching moustache twirling villain, and the droids are the bumbling disgruntled assistants.

I mean, the comment by Obi-Wan "How could this happen? We're smarter than this," seems like it's pointing out the ridiculum and stupidity of the whole thing.


I honestly felt this way the first time I saw it.

As for this Clone Wars remake nonsense, I missed the animated series, and I can't find any episodes of it on youtube (just music videos), so I might watch this if it's better, but I'll wait for a review or something.

[Figment]

Clone Wars is just setting up the new CG Clone Wars series covering other parts of the war besides what the Microseries showed. Though the whole thing with Anakin's apprentice is definitely a continuity mess up unless they eventually Put Her On A Bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus) by the end.

[Jet Jaguar]

I'm an Old Skool SW Fan. I saw the Original in theaters back in '77
A time it was and what a time it was.....

[godofPH]

Clone Wars is just setting up the new CG Clone Wars series covering other parts of the war besides what the Microseries showed. Though the whole thing with Anakin's apprentice is definitely a continuity mess up unless they eventually Put Her On A Bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus) by the end.

I could see her eventually becoming a Knight herself, and splitting apart from Anakin to go fight elsewhere, or perhaps become someone else's Padawan at a later date.

[Orga777]

Okay, after getting a little more info on this "movie" I have decided it will be better off rotting in George Judas' gutted corpse than me actually spending money to see this "film" in theaters.

This looks like it will be worse than even Episode 1. Seriously, Jabba the Hutt's baby? What the **** is that bull ****?

[Neo-Crucifer]

Even better, I heard C-3P0 and Jar Jar are going to team up! To become the ultimate comedic duo!


ISN'T THAT JUST HILARIOUS?!

[Husnock]

Even better, I heard C-3P0 and Jar Jar are going to team up! To become the ultimate comedic duo!


ISN'T THAT JUST HILARIOUS?!

**** YES!!!

Can't wait for this movie now. Between this and the fact that Count Dooku's head looks like a capsized ship's prow, and the list doesn't even come close to stopping there...

[MirrenDono]

I'd really rather just continue reading the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics.

[SuperXAsh]

This looks like it will be worse than even Episode 1. Seriously, Jabba the Hutt's baby? What the **** is that bull ****?

YEAH, thanks to them I have to now fight the image of... Jabba... having.... >.< oh god i can't finish that sentence!!!!!!

Though, giving it SOME measure of slack, this IS based on the animated Clone Wars series, and in that just about everything was done a lot better than the prequel trilogy combined. Specially when it came to having competant villains.

Seriously, watching the General Grievous in THIS series as opposed to the Movie he appeared in, you'd think it was actually an entirely different character all together. THAT or his drunken chain-smoking brother.

[MirrenDono]

Oh come on, there was nothing wrong with him in RoTS.

Then again, I'm not a Star Wars elitist, so that may be why I feel this way.

[godofPH]

This looks like it will be worse than even Episode 1. Seriously, Jabba the Hutt's baby? What the **** is that bull ****?

Don't forget about Anakin's Padawan Mary Sue!

[Orga777]

Though, giving it SOME measure of slack, this IS based on the animated Clone Wars series, and in that just about everything was done a lot better than the prequel trilogy combined. Specially when it came to having competant villains.

Except Georgie boy had no creative control behind the Clone Wars micro-series. Here, he does. Which ruined everything. Also, the "film" is being directed by someone else, not Genndy Tartakovsky. Which lowers is why there will be a lack of quality here IMO.

Also, besides Jabba's stupid baby (which will be baby sitted by Whiney Suck Brat and his out of no where Mary Sue Padawan as PH put it.) We have just... stupid plot mixtures.

[MirrenDono]

Yeah, I was just THRILLED to find out that we'd have yet another stereotypical teen character for the Prequel Mythos.

I used to think Anakin and Padme were mad annoying in Phantom Menace. I grew out of it a bit, and have come to enjoy the film a lot more. But there's nothing that makes me look past their teenaged incarnations.

[SuperXAsh]

I'm guessing the mary sue probably dies in this. That's the only rational thing that I can think of, unless they're trying to reboot the prequels, or make this a divergent time line. :p *HIGHLY doubts it though*

[godofPH]

I'm guessing the mary sue probably dies in this. That's the only rational thing that I can think of, unless they're trying to reboot the prequels, or make this a divergent time line. :p *HIGHLY doubts it though*

I'm imagining she'll make it through this movie, hang around during the series that is going to come along later, and probably be never heard from again when the series concludes.

[Husnock]

I'd really rather just continue reading the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics.

Yes, because there's nothing I'd love more than to watch one of DH's brooding, flipflopping "anti-heroes" frolic around the "seedy underbelly" of every planet/space station in the galaxy and babble in his head for 5 issues on end about how dark he's "becoming" for an entire series (if he was ever any different, I can't see when) that could be devoted to telling awesome stories about this time period.

Or were you referring to the "Clone Wars Adventures" mini-comics? Because those have some pretty good (if not a bit simplistic) stories in there from time to time.

[MirrenDono]

If you follow the trades, that isn't the case. Quinlan Vos doesn't even appear for a bunch of them, and in many that he does it's in one shots that don't deal with his dilemma. Nonetheless, Vos was actually an interesting character out of the Prequel material, and added some much needed personality to the goody-goody nonsense that were so many of the main Jedi characters.

[Da_Jinx]

anyone catch this show yet? the original 5 min cartoon shows were cool, now we got the cgi version. I have to admit, there are some positves. Like the clone soldier stories and even anakin seems cool (atleast cooler than hayden's anakin in the movies). One of the few things I find annoying is anakin's padawan, Ahsuka. She is just really annoying and i think ske screws up anakin's story. I don' see the inkling of darth vader in him with her around. Also general grievous, he was a real badass in the cartoon, here he is a bumbling and cowardly, always running from a fight.

[Mecha-Rodan]

Every time I think his characters can't get any lamer, Lucifer proves me wrong once again. Isn't sad that the best Star Wars fiction is the kind that isn't being handled by its own creator?

[alienhulk2099]

Isn't sad that the best Star Wars fiction is the kind that isn't being handled by its own creator?

How so? And why does everyone hate the prequels so much? (seriously, someone explain that to me)

[Zigra]

How so? And why does everyone hate the prequels so much? (seriously, someone explain that to me)

If you don't understand why people hate Uwe Boll, then you're certainly not going to understand why we hate the Prequels.

[Morgoth]

Did AH not even bother to read anything on the last 27 pages before opening his yap?

[Gorjirus]

On a more positive note, Star Wars Robot Chicken Episode II was on tonight. And it was funny.

[Zigra]

Did AH not even bother to read anything on the last 27 pages before opening his yap?

Did you really expect him to? You know he doesn't like to read;)

[alienhulk2099]

If you don't understand why people hate Uwe Boll

They hate them because they're bad (although after seeing a few I think they were blowing it out of proportion).

Did AH not even bother to read anything on the last 27 pages before opening his yap?

I did read the first two, something about childhood rape although not explaining why.



And yes, Robot Chicken was awesome last night.

[Orga777]

They hate them because they're bad (although after seeing a few I think they were blowing it out of proportion).

Lol... No. You just have horrible taste and should be forbidden to watch and critique film for the rest of your days. :p

I did read the first two, something about childhood rape although not explaining why.

Well for one, they are absolute garbage (Ep.3 being the only semblance of "good" and even then it wasn't great like the original trilogy and was still over all mediocre as far as film goes.)

Then you go into how Gerogie boy sold out with his craptacular CGI (it didn't even look any good). The terrible, terrible acting, Jar Jar, Jar Jar, and Jar Jar. Ani the Emo Kid, Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO", oh, and the fact that it had no heart and soul in it at all and was just a Special Effects feast of garbage. The Original Trilogy had something to it. The Prequels were just made to get more money and no other purpose. Just like Indiana Jones 4.

That is just my opinion. Morgoth could probably go into better detail why he doesn't like it (with curses and threats thrown in every so often.):laugh:

[Husnock]

On a more positive note, Star Wars Robot Chicken Episode II was on tonight. And it was funny.

*Mon Mothma*: I'll have the calamari.
*Admiral Ackbar*: AND I'LL HAVE THE INSENSITIVE ***** WITH A SIDE OF **** YOU!!!

[Mecha74]

Well for one, they are absolute garbage (Ep.3 being the only semblance of "good" and even then it wasn't great like the original trilogy and was still over all mediocre as far as film goes.)

Then you go into how Gerogie boy sold out with his craptacular CGI (it didn't even look any good). The terrible, terrible acting, Jar Jar, Jar Jar, and Jar Jar. Ani the Emo Kid, Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO", oh, and the fact that it had no heart and soul in it at all and was just a Special Effects feast of garbage. The Original Trilogy had something to it. The Prequels were just made to get more money and no other purpose. Just like Indiana Jones 4.



Couldn't have said it better myself, except for the fact that for me Ep. 3 was the most horrid of the three with some of the most terrible acting I have ever seen in the history of cinema. Hell, not even the presence of one of my favorite actors of all time(Christopher Lee)could save these utter disasters.

[alienhulk2099]

Well for one, they are absolute garbage

How were they garbage? They had what Star Wars films should have: Creatures, planets, action, lightsabers, space travel, and continuity.

Then you go into how Gerogie boy sold out with his craptacular CGI

I was convinced and you're talking to a guy that NEVER finds CGI impressive..........Or any type of special effect for that matter.

Jar Jar, Jar Jar, and Jar Jar.

Why do people hate Jar Jar? I didn't mind him.

Ani the Emo Kid

How was Anakin an emo?:eh:

Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

It was only a few seconds, I really don't see how that's even a factor.

The Prequels were just made to get more money and no other purpose. Just like Indiana Jones 4.

The prequels told the story of Anakin Skywalker, the fall of the Jedi, and the rise of the Empire, I really don't see how it's just something to make money off of. And Indiana 4 was the best of them because it was actually enjoyable.

[BS Digital Q]

How were they garbage? They had what Star Wars films should have: Creatures, planets, action, lightsabers, space travel, and continuity.Star Wars is so much more than that it isn't even funny, and proves how incredibly short-sighted and narrow-minded you really are.

Without Star Wars, you wouldn't have the kind of movies you enjoy today. Star Wars took science-fiction and combined it with classical mythological narrative to create a truly unique epic and a movie with a scope that at the time it was originally released was unparalleled. It was MORE than the sum of its parts, it paved the way for the summer blockbuster that Jaws helped pioneer and made science-fiction something accessible to the general public. It's not just a stupid action-adventure yarn; it is modern mythology incarnate.

Now bear in mind, Morgoth was a kid when these movies came out. He grew up with them. These films imprinted themselves on individuals like him just like how so many Godzilla fans became so when they were exposed to him at a young age. These aren't just an enjoyment; they are a passion.

You can have all the action, planets, monsters, and whatever the hell else you want, but those do not make the kind of major cultural impact that Star Wars made. Nothing since then (not even the LOTR trilogy, the original modern fantasy epic) has ever had the same kind of cultural impact. Star Wars changed everything, and without it so many of your beloved movies wouldn't even exist. So don't ever insult history with your pathetic for why Star Wars is good; films with monsters/action are a dime-a-dozen, but something like Star Wars is truly special and goes far above and beyond that.

Morgoth, kindly shut this down before AH spews anymore ignorant bullshit all over this thread.

[alienhulk2099]

Without Star Wars, you wouldn't have the kind of movies you enjoy today

Like Underworld, the Mummy remake, Parasite, Creature, The Beast, Bottom Feeder, The Terminator, Ghosts of Mars, Screamers, Starship Troopers, Shapeshifter, Hammerhead, Manticore, Cerberus, Ba'al The Storm God, Swamp Devil, Rock Monster, Shockwave, Water World, Fire Serpent, Feast, Big Bad Wolf, Black Sheep, Scary Movie, Signs, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Blade, Halloween, and Rambo?

Star Wars is so much more than that

I'm well aware.

something like Star Wars is truly special and goes far above and beyond that.

So why are we attacking the creator and the prequels?:confused:

[Mothra Freak]

alienhunter, you're talking to the people that would kill if C-3P0 was made orange on accident in an animated feature.

[Zigra]

Guys, why are you even trying to argue with AH? Your talking to the guy who thinks Asylum knock-offs are entertaining. There's no reasoning with that sort of bad taste, so just ignore him.

[Mothra Freak]

Neither side is really the "good" side. They're both getting into arguments over the dumbest things.

[BS Digital Q]

Like Underworld, the Mummy remake, Parasite, Creature, The Beast, Bottom Feeder, The Terminator, Ghosts of Mars, Screamers, Starship Troopers, Shapeshifter, Hammerhead, Manticore, Cerberus, Ba'al The Storm God, Swamp Devil, Rock Monster, Shockwave, Water World, Fire Serpent, Feast, Big Bad Wolf, Black Sheep, Scary Movie, Signs, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Blade, Halloween, and Rambo?http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/BSDQ/facepalm.gif

I'm well aware.No, you most certainly are not, judging by your condescending 'summation' of the elements of a Star Wars film.

So why are we attacking the creator and the prequels?:confused:I won't bother, since its already been repeated a million times and you simply cannot grasp it. So therefore, stop asking unless you want to get banned by Morgoth for defending the very things he hates most in life (and that the vast majority of Star Wars fans I've known despise as well).

[alienhulk2099]

No, you most certainly are not, judging by your condescending 'summation' of the elements of a Star Wars film.

I do, I've seen a documentary on the History channel about how it's based on mythology and war. And what's a summation? Don't you mean summerization?

I won't bother, since its already been repeated a million times and you simply cannot grasp it.

I'm going to see if I can:

The prequels are hated because they show Anakin in a different light, writing was off, special effects were bad, they added Jar Jar, awful acting, and were made by someone who released the special edition but not the original cuts of the original films on DVD. I heard the creators of South Park saying they hated the prequels because the Force changed from some sort of mysticism into metaclorinians (did I spell that right?) and change it into life forms within a life form or something like that. I haven't seen anything like that in the first four pages and I'm going to keep digging just to make sure.

[Husnock]

Guys, why are you even trying to argue with AH? Your talking to the guy who thinks Asylum knock-offs are entertaining. There's no reasoning with that sort of bad taste, so just ignore him.

Zigra's right. If he doesn't wanna "get it" then leave 'im alone. It's obviously never gonna sink in.

[BS Digital Q]

Apparently, seeing as how he's an uneducated little git that gets all his info from movies and television and couldn't read a real book if it hit him in the groin.

[Morgoth]

I'm in ornery dictator mode, so everyone be very careful. I won't use General Loan in this thread - I'll just start abusing the 'ban' button.

[Goji Son]

And Indiana 4 was the best of them because it was actually enjoyable.

There are times when I think you are just pulling people's leg and you truly don't invest hours upon hours on **** films that even the filmmakers know is **** and are just making them for **** dollars. Quotes like this (so pretty much everything you've said) serve as evidence to my point. Either that, or I just can't accept how shallow your tastes in... everything really is so I am just lying to myself.

[alienhulk2099]

Apparently, seeing as how he's an uneducated little git that gets all his info from movies and television and couldn't read a real book if it hit him in the groin

Can you at least tell me if I was close? That's all I want to know.

And uneducated? All I'm going to say is that you really don't know me.

[Orga777]

So why are we attacking the creator and the prequels?:confused:

Because the fat talentless hack DESTROYED the series. He sold out the fans and gave us a pile of dung. The Original Trilogy was a fantastic adventure series. The prequels were nothing but crap acting, crap special effects, and flashing lights. It was junk. Nothing like the Star Wars everyone in this site grew up with. I was about 11 when Star Wars Episode 1 came out. And I hated it then too. Because even I knew it wasn't Star Wars even at such a young age (though I still do like the Destroyer Driods... mostly because they are the only things that make Jedi **** themselves and run away. XD)

But why am I even bothering? You have such horrid taste and are so ignorant that it is useless in itself. But I will keep trying, hoping that one day you actually get it and gain some at least adequate taste. Heck I will try to even make you get BAD taste, because what you have now is much worse than just bad taste.

[alienhulk2099]

Ah, now I understand it, thanks Orga.:cool:

I still do like the Destroyer Driods

Yes, they are awesome.

[Zigra]

On a related note, I must confess that I saw a little bit of the Star Wars Holiday Special yesterday. My God, what an abominable pile of animal feces that is. It's even worse than I imagined it would be. That's what I get for letting my curiousity get the best of me.

The funny thing is, the Holiday Special is one thing that we can't blame Luc@s too much for. He had minimal involvment in it, and went on to say that he didn't like it. I guess there are some things that are distasteful even to him.

[Bagoth]

This really isn't on topic but this needs to be discussed and well, weep.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/jarjar.htm

[godofPH]

Sigh...they create an awesome episode last week by giving R2-D2 his own fight scene...now they're bringing back the Gungan Antichrist...

[SpaceHunterM]

It is a kid's show afterall PH.

[BS Digital Q]

Sigh...they create an awesome episode last week by giving R2-D2 his own fight scene...now they're bringing back the Gungan Antichrist...Hey, he even looks like he gets his robes from the same tailor as Palpatine, so you may be onto something there. :p

[Morgoth]

It is a kid's show afterall PH.
Even six-year olds find that stumblebum annoying. JJ is like the friggin 'Baby Fangs' they added to Fang Face, or Scrappy Doo, some irritant tossed in by a nitwit who has no idea what children like and, worse, doesn't really care in the first place.

[Mothra Freak]

I really think that arguing over this bullshit is incredibly pointless. I mean, if someone can't have an opinion, then what good is a message board?

No, the prequels aren't as good as the originals, but no, they're not the worst movies ever made as some of you are making them out to be. Ever heard of Jaws the Revenge?

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people trash the newer entries of any franchise. The JP fans trash the third movie. The Alien AND Predator fans trash the AVP movies (which really aren't as bad as people claim). Godzilla fans trash the remake (which honestly, I can understand). And the Star Wars fans trash the prequels. It really doesn't make sense to me.

You can be angry if somebody makes something you think ruined your childhood. But that's the best thing about it. It was your childhood. Not your adulthood. Now grow up and quit living in the past, or forgo any chance of getting laid. EVER.

If you're offended by this and want to ban me, go ahead. But you're only proving my point.

[Orga777]

I really think that arguing over this bullshit is incredibly pointless. I mean, if someone can't have an opinion, then what good is a message board?

No, the prequels aren't as good as the originals, but no, they're not the worst movies ever made as some of you are making them out to be. Ever heard of Jaws the Revenge?

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people trash the newer entries of any franchise. The JP fans trash the third movie. The Alien AND Predator fans trash the AVP movies (which really aren't as bad as people claim). Godzilla fans trash the remake (which honestly, I can understand). And the Star Wars fans trash the prequels. It really doesn't make sense to me.

You can be angry if somebody makes something you think ruined your childhood. But that's the best thing about it. It was your childhood. Not your adulthood. Now grow up and quit living in the past, or forgo any chance of getting laid. EVER.

If you're offended by this and want to ban me, go ahead. But you're only proving my point.

Someone is missing the whole point though. All those films you named are bad. Jurassic Park 3, AVP (both of them), GINO, Jaws the Revenge, and the Prequel films. The reason we complain about them is because there is nothing redeeming about the movies at all. They aren't Star Wars just like GINO isn't Godzilla. Instead of an interesting space adventure, we get CGI infested epileptic scenes and acting that rivals some Sci-Fi Originals of bad. You are right, they may not be the worst movies ever made, but they are still bad and they still aren't Star Wars. Even if they weren't called Star Wars they would still fail as films in general. Whcih is where most of us are coming from any way. You don't take a good series and turn it into crap like that and expect people not to complain.

[Mothra Freak]

That may be, but the rest of my point remains valid.

Oh, and you're wrong about JP3. It's slightly above average for a movie. At least, most critics think so.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people trash the newer entries of any franchise. The JP fans trash the third movie. The Alien AND Predator fans trash the AVP movies (which really aren't as bad as people claim). Godzilla fans trash the remake (which honestly, I can understand). And the Star Wars fans trash the prequels. It really doesn't make sense to me.Alien is easily one of the greatest horror/sci-fi films ever made.

Predator is an outstandingly solid Action/Sci-fi film.

AvPs are shallow monster fight movies. (IMO, I never expected them to be anymore then that; it's nigh impossible to put two creatures together when they have such well established mythos and are essentially from two different kinds of movies).

But if you find it "surprising" and "non-sense" that people are annoyed by this, then you're just an idiot. I Mean, can you blame them? Really?

What would any franchise degenerate to if there wasn't some kind of backlash to stupid ideas? Would you just open your mouth and be force-fed "Jar-jar in Da Hood" because "AH-DUR, I STIL HAS DUH ORIGENAL"? Certainly sounds like it.

Why do you think the Heisei series are so monumentally bland in comparison to the early Showa? Because they know they're going to make money off of them, so creativity and unique ideas are shunned or outright discouraged (it's a scientific fact that creativity is expensive) because there's no point; they're going to make money regardless of how well the film is from a critical POV.

It's the same thing. and it's happened to almost every film series at some point or another, I can't think of any film, book, TV, or comic franchise (Even bands) that haven't gone through some highs or lows, it's inevitability for something to go downhill, but when people just accept it all as "equally good", then there is no reason to improve the product because it will STILL make money.

Now grow up and quit living in the past, or forgo any chance of getting laid. EVER.Damn that's some clever ****, certainly didn't smell that joke coming as soon as I read the first sentence of your post.

[Mothra Freak]

I'm not saying I don't understand why people are annoyed by this, I just don't understand why they go all-out in yelling at and flaming people who like the movies. There's always going to be disagreements in the world, but people don't always have to take them this far. It's absolutely revolting. I really get the feeling that I'm at one of those communist forums where opinions are considered evil when they don't match up with the forum's leaders.

And I really don't care if you didn't see that coming. Everybody should have.

Still, these movies may have made your childhoods, but you've all grown older. Do adult things instead of arguing over movies and insulting people who don't have the same opinion as you.

[alienhulk2099]

The JP fans trash the third movie. The Alien AND Predator fans trash the AVP movies (which really aren't as bad as people claim). Godzilla fans trash the remake (which honestly, I can understand). And the Star Wars fans trash the prequels. It really doesn't make sense to me.


I'm a fan of those franchises (except Predator) and I see them just as good as the originals.

Ever heard of Jaws the Revenge?

I have and I thought it was okay, though not as good as the original (two).

AvPs are shallow monster fight movies. (IMO, I never expected them to be anymore then that; it's nigh impossible to put two creatures together when they have such well established mythos and are essentially from two different kinds of movies).


The first AVP I can see your point, but Requiem? Predators died, aliens died, humans piled up on the casualty list, heck if it wasn't for the pregnant scene I might have considered it the best movie of all time.

[Mothra Freak]

^*Gasp* He's got an opinion! SHUN HIM!

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

Still, these movies may have made your childhoods, but you've all grown older. Do adult things instead of arguing over movies and insulting people who don't have the same opinion as you.
There's some much that doesn't make any sense about what you said.

What do you mean "Adult stuff"? Godzilla films have inspired me to be a filmmaker and I'm presently working towards going to school for just that; should I be doing more adult stuff like tax forms or mowing the lawn? or watching and enjoying films that will hopefully one day be my own craft?

Are you going to tell Matt Frank (KaijuSamurai) at Deviantart, an individual who started out doing Godzilla fan art, and is now drawing comic books professionally to "Grow up"?

so, and I say this with the utmost politeness, go **** yourself.

BTW, nice "Ghidorah, the Astro Terror" (in oozing blood font at that!) banner. But you've got some hypocracy on it, should probably wipe that up.

I'm a fan of those franchises (except Predator) and I see them just as good as the originals.
Just because you can enjoy all of them equally, doesn't make them on a 'Technical' level equal. Alien has great music, lighting, ambience, acting, engaging plot, and special effects. Something like AvP:R is just an excuse to throw 2 movie monsters in a town and make blood flow in mighty rivers. (And I do, in fact, thoroughly enjoy both in different ways) They're equally ENJOYABLE, not equally GOOD.

The first AVP I can see your point, but Requiem? Predators died, aliens died, humans piled up on the casualty list, heck if it wasn't for the pregnant scene I might have considered it the best movie of all time.
I too prefer Requiem. The first AvP tried to hard to connect it into two seperate Mythos with lame plot and a poorly attempted "Epic vibe", it tamed down the violence, the Predator was heroized, and the fights (with the exception of a few moments) weren't all that entertaining.

Requiem didn't try to be anymore then it was worth. It was bloody, the fights were great, all monsters were equally villainous, and it didn't try to carry anymore weight then it was capable of doing. That's the kind of 'B'-movie I like, something that doesn't try to be anymore then what it's capable of (AvP:R, Versus, Dead Doll, etc.).

[Zigra]

Still, these movies may have made your childhoods, but you've all grown older. Do adult things instead of arguing over movies and insulting people who don't have the same opinion as you.

What a bunch of hypocritical garbage. You tell us to respect the opinions of others, when you yourself obviously can't stand what other people think. Once somebody says something you don't like, you tell them to shut up, just like what you accuse other people of doing.

[Bruticus]

I see there's quite a bit of holier-than-thou bullshit in this thread right now. I recommend scaling things back before I go liberal with the warnings.

[Zigra]

Alright then, I apologize for my little outburst there. However, I will say that I find it extremely annoying when somebody demands that people "respect others' opinions" when they themselves don't really care what other people think.

[Bruticus]

Alright then, I apologize for my little outburst there. However, I will say that I find it extremely annoying when somebody demands that people "respect others' opinions" when they themselves don't really care what other people think.

It was more of a general statement than directed at anyone in particular, if it's any consolation. Actually, your response has been one of the more mature ones in this discussion.

[Mindfreak]

After that, I have but one question on this subject......
WHO GIVES A ****?
I certainly don't. STAR WARS Episode IV is my favorite movie of all time. STAR WARS is my favorite movie franchise. I can admit that.
The Prequels , to me were kinda "Meh....", but did I watch all of them and theaters and Buy a copy on VHS/DVD? Yes I did.
IMO, the The Prequel story needed to be told, but could have been told better.
I love STAR WARS.
Yeah. I said it......

[Goji Son]

It's absolutely revolting. I really get the feeling that I'm at one of those communist forums where opinions are considered evil when they don't match up with the forum's leaders.


Yeah, well, that's like, your opinion, man.

[Morgoth]

See, I take offense to that. These are fascist forums. We don't tolerate communism and equality around here.

[Morgoth]

In fact, I think he's done the old 'dare you to ban me ****'.

Everyone say goddbye to Mothrafreak, the Kempei-tai have come for him and now he has to go away.

[SuperXAsh]

The only recent thing of Star Wars that I liked was the "Force Unleashed" video game. Though it does tie everything from the Prequels up in a rather convenient (and slightly absurd) way with the Original Trilogy.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Yeah, I was just THRILLED to find out that we'd have yet another stereotypical teen character for the Prequel Mythos.

I used to think Anakin and Padme were mad annoying in Phantom Menace. I grew out of it a bit, and have come to enjoy the film a lot more. But there's nothing that makes me look past their teenaged incarnations.

Actually, Padme had more than a little pedophilia in her Phantom Menace characterization. 14 year old loving 6 year old Anakin? Ewww....

How so? And why does everyone hate the prequels so much? (seriously, someone explain that to me)

Because ***** turned thievery of someone else's work into even more garbage than it already was.

Star Wars is so much more than that it isn't even funny, and proves how incredibly short-sighted and narrow-minded you really are.

Without Star Wars, you wouldn't have the kind of movies you enjoy today. Star Wars took science-fiction and combined it with classical mythological narrative to create a truly unique epic and a movie with a scope that at the time it was originally released was unparalleled. It was MORE than the sum of its parts, it paved the way for the summer blockbuster that Jaws helped pioneer and made science-fiction something accessible to the general public. It's not just a stupid action-adventure yarn; it is modern mythology incarnate.

Now bear in mind, Morgoth was a kid when these movies came out. He grew up with them. These films imprinted themselves on individuals like him just like how so many Godzilla fans became so when they were exposed to him at a young age. These aren't just an enjoyment; they are a passion.

You can have all the action, planets, monsters, and whatever the hell else you want, but those do not make the kind of major cultural impact that Star Wars made. Nothing since then (not even the LOTR trilogy, the original modern fantasy epic) has ever had the same kind of cultural impact. Star Wars changed everything, and without it so many of your beloved movies wouldn't even exist. So don't ever insult history with your pathetic for why Star Wars is good; films with monsters/action are a dime-a-dozen, but something like Star Wars is truly special and goes far above and beyond that.

Morgoth, kindly shut this down before AH spews anymore ignorant bullshit all over this thread.

Um...no, Star Wars was a hacky rip-off of Dune to begin with. Arrakis=Tatooine. Fremen=Tuskens. Spice mines???? Space Empires? Jedi Bindu/Prana Bindu? Jabba the Hutt/Leto II? Emperor Shaddam IV/Emperor Palpatine? Clone Wars/Butlerian Jihad? There's a reason ***** damn near got sued for every dime he was worth by the Herbert family. Give me the Prequel **** in the Duneiverse as opposed to even the slightest hint of the Star Wars bullshit.

Because the fat talentless hack DESTROYED the series. He sold out the fans and gave us a pile of dung. The Original Trilogy was a fantastic adventure series. The prequels were nothing but crap acting, crap special effects, and flashing lights. It was junk. Nothing like the Star Wars everyone in this site grew up with. I was about 11 when Star Wars Episode 1 came out. And I hated it then too. Because even I knew it wasn't Star Wars even at such a young age (though I still do like the Destroyer Driods... mostly because they are the only things that make Jedi **** themselves and run away. XD)

But why am I even bothering? You have such horrid taste and are so ignorant that it is useless in itself. But I will keep trying, hoping that one day you actually get it and gain some at least adequate taste. Heck I will try to even make you get BAD taste, because what you have now is much worse than just bad taste.

Actually, ***** basically watered down and ripped off 90% of Dune. The only difference was <s>Paul Atreides</s>-I mean Luke Skywalker was not himself a Tusken Raider-I mean Fremen.

[BS Digital Q]

Dune is awesome.

But it simply cannot compare to SW in terms of cultural impact. 'nuff said.

[Bagoth]

Personally Star Wars never really interested me, neither the prequel or the original trilogies. I found the characters to be really one-dimensional at the most, two-dimensional. I really didn't feel any depth to the story, I've seen this story told to me, countless times. The dialogue made me role my eyes, I didn't feel any depth in the story, the drama in the trilogies just didn't dig into the core of the characters, and the story concepts just weren't interesting. The only thing Star Wars related that I enjoyed was the original Star Wars: Clone Wars 5 minute episode things that aired on Cartoon Network and The Force Unleashed.

Now that being said, just because I didn't like the movie doesn't mean I don't respect what it did for the genre, because the original trilogy inspired alot of things that I really do like.

[Kaiser Kronos]

Dune is awesome.

But it simply cannot compare to SW in terms of cultural impact. 'nuff said.

Oh, yes it can and does, considering as I said, ***** ripped Herbert off to make SW....:sarcasm:

[BS Digital Q]

And if it was only that, SW would have bombed so terribly we wouldn't be having this conversation and Morgoth would be a different person.

But no, once again, SW is simply so much more than that. And in the end its become a legend in culture and merchandise. Dune got Lynched. 'nuff said.

[Archaic_Avenger]

Actually, Padme had more than a little pedophilia in her Phantom Menace characterization. 14 year old loving 6 year old Anakin? Ewww....

Um, 9 to 14 people. Has anyone even heard the Weird Al song?



There's definately a huge resemblance between Tatooine and Dune, though, with a lot of other things, there's a thin and incredibly blurry line between ripoff, homage, inspiration, and sheer coincidental similarity. And while there's a lot of ___(fill in blank with choice of the above) between Dune and Star Wars, there's quite a few of the same between Star Wars and most forms of sci-fi (and even some epic fantasies) that were written, or at times filmed before. There's plenty of visual styles in the space ships and the various forms of space travel that resemble Star Trek. And what of this vague concept of space royalty as seen in Princess Leia? Look no further than Burroughs A Princess of Mars to find a similar concept.



Dune was a very good book, specifically in how it managed to create with encyclopedic detail an entire universe government. It's almost more a history book than an actual novel, except for that one dirty little fact that it is actually fictional. But therein is an issue. It's not a big problem. The book can be very much enjoyed for the skill with which it was created. But it's a hard book to really enjoy if you want a swash buckling action epic. The problem is harder when if you continue reading to find that the hero you spurred on in the first book eventually goes blind, is ostricized, and finally killed ignominiously by the priestly followers of his own sister. That is kind of a buzz kill for sheer enjoyment. Nothing kills swashbuckling like a good dose of realism in a sci-fi fantasy world. It's own apathy for its characters futures turned me off for sure, and I can only imagine there are more like me.



And in that manner Star Wars holds a certain place to a huge amount of people. It has its own story, combined with some of the best aspects seen elsewhere, and adds them all together into one sprawling epic that is most importantly fun to watch. It's a very detailed story, big and with a large cast of characters, and it has a begining and has an end. People can get involved in it who wouldn't get into a long running series, but there's still enough there to watch and enjoy. As far as that goes, there are very few that can compete with the original Star Wars.

P.S.: Come to think of it, if you want to check out similarities, check out Arrakis vs. Burroughs Mars. There's plenty of parallels there.

[Goji Son]

Um...no, Star Wars was a hacky rip-off of Dune to begin with. Arrakis=Tatooine. Fremen=Tuskens. Spice mines???? Space Empires? Jedi Bindu/Prana Bindu? Jabba the Hutt/Leto II? Emperor Shaddam IV/Emperor Palpatine? Clone Wars/Butlerian Jihad? There's a reason ***** damn near got sued for every dime he was worth by the Herbert family. Give me the Prequel **** in the Duneiverse as opposed to even the slightest hint of the Star Wars bullshit.

Actually, ***** basically watered down and ripped off 90% of Dune. The only difference was <s>Paul Atreides</s>-I mean Luke Skywalker was not himself a Tusken Raider-I mean Fremen.

I see the similarities between the two but you are stretching it a bit. Sure, Arrakis and Tatooine are desert planets but the story of Star Wars doesn't contain the politics, philosophy, sexuality or anything really akin to Dune's story structure aside from Paul and Luke both being the messianic, "chosen" one and that storyline has been around for ages. All other similarities are fairly superficial and it would be like Tolkien's family suing Dungeons and Dragons, Warhammer or Warcraft because they have orcs, dwarves, elves in their mythology.

George also borrowed heavily from Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress and earlier drafts were very close to the storyline. Toshiro Mifune was also *****' first choice for Obi Wan. George took from many different sources be it from Dune, Kurosawa, mythology, The Princess of Mars and Flash Gordon serials. He blended them all together and made something unique... initially. It's not like Herbert, Tolkien, or any writer creates things purely from their imagination, they have their sources and the key is putting your own spin on what you steal so people don't immediately recognize you are a thief.

[Goji Son]

Dune was a very good book, specifically in how it managed to create with encyclopedic detail an entire universe government. It's almost more a history book than an actual novel, except for that one dirty little fact that it is actually fictional. But therein is an issue. It's not a big problem. The book can be very much enjoyed for the skill with which it was created. But it's a hard book to really enjoy if you want a swash buckling action epic. The problem is harder when if you continue reading to find that the hero you spurred on in the first book eventually goes blind, is ostricized, and finally killed ignominiously by the priestly followers of his own sister. That is kind of a buzz kill for sheer enjoyment. Nothing kills swashbuckling like a good dose of realism in a sci-fi fantasy world. It's own apathy for its characters futures turned me off for sure, and I can only imagine there are more like me.


Dune was never supposed to be a swashbuckling adventure story. Herbert was delving into deeper issues than just entertaining his readers and the series plays out more like a meta physical Greek tragedy than anything else.

[Morgoth]

Georgio Judas took stuff from 16 different places, mixed it in a blender and called it Star Wars. The problem with the prequels is he forgot that was what he did in the 70's and believed he could create something from whole cloth!

Look at the Death Star interiors and tell me they don't look like the Mysterians' base. For that matter, you could stretch and say that the Mysterians themselves could be the inspiration for SW stormstroopers.

The entire Darth/Obi-Wan/Luke relationship in teh first movie is straight from 'The Magic Serpent'.

Fighter combat in space: thank you to Toho's 'Battle in Space' for that one. Indeed, I don't think that concept emerged again until SW.

Could go on, but why bother. The Starwaroids think ***** is some kind of friggin genius and can't accept that he drew from stuff that came before him, just like everyone else.

[Archaic_Avenger]

Dune was never supposed to be a swashbuckling adventure story. Herbert was delving into deeper issues than just entertaining his readers and the series plays out more like a meta physical Greek tragedy than anything else.
I know, that's my point. It wasn't supposed to be just the entertainment value, and instead he went into a whole other direction. However that other direction just isn't as "fun" as a good buckling of swashes whereas Star Wars is one of the supreme overlords of said swashing.

And there's some fighter combat in space in the original Star Trek series.

Oh, by the way, there are several names of characters and things in Star Wars taken from Princess of Mars, such as Burroughs' Banths turned into the Banthas, and even Jed and Jeddack into Jedi.

[Kaiser Kronos]

I see the similarities between the two but you are stretching it a bit. Sure, Arrakis and Tatooine are desert planets but the story of Star Wars doesn't contain the politics, philosophy, sexuality or anything really akin to Dune's story structure aside from Paul and Luke both being the messianic, "chosen" one and that storyline has been around for ages. All other similarities are fairly superficial and it would be like Tolkien's family suing Dungeons and Dragons, Warhammer or Warcraft because they have orcs, dwarves, elves in their mythology.

George also borrowed heavily from Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress and earlier drafts were very close to the storyline. Toshiro Mifune was also *****' first choice for Obi Wan. George took from many different sources be it from Dune, Kurosawa, mythology, The Princess of Mars and Flash Gordon serials. He blended them all together and made something unique... initially. It's not like Herbert, Tolkien, or any writer creates things purely from their imagination, they have their sources and the key is putting your own spin on what you steal so people don't immediately recognize you are a thief.

This cartoon says more that anything else I could think of regarding my response to that:

http://www.moongadget.com/origins/pix4/justine_dune.jpg

[Mindfreak]

Oh, yes it can and does, considering as I said, ***** ripped Herbert off to make SW....:sarcasm:
It isn't stealing. It's making an Homage.
If GL had made "Dune:The Movie" and Called it "STAR WARS", that's stealing. But if he dosen't and adds more to it, then that's making an homage.He homaged so much in that movie, too......
This reminds of something from Invader Zim:
http://www.fantasykat.com/harem/Images/fj/gir.jpg

"It's Not Stupid, IT'S ADVANCED!":sly:

[Goji Son]

This cartoon says more that anything else I could think of regarding my response to that:


And... I'll stick with my initial points that ***** had many sources, much like Tolkien, Herbert, Burroughs and every other writer who has created a mythology of some kind. I guess I should call Tolkien a thief since Gandalf is basically Odin and his family should pony up some royalties to the Finnish government since he used The Kalevala as a major source for The Silmarillion.

Also, Christopher Paolini should be sending checks to Skywalker Ranch, considering that his entire career as a writer hinges on the fact that he's seen Star Wars.

"It's Not Stupid, IT'S ADVANCED!"

Advanced is not how I would explain SW compared to Dune, more like a variation.

[Kaiser Kronos]

And... I'll stick with my initial points that ***** had many sources, much like Tolkien, Herbert, Burroughs and every other writer who has created a mythology of some kind. I guess I should call Tolkien a thief since Gandalf is basically Odin and his family should pony up some royalties to the Finnish government since he used The Kalevala as a major source for The Silmarillion.

Also, Christopher Paolini should be sending checks to Skywalker Ranch, considering that his entire career as a writer hinges on the fact that he's seen Star Wars.


Point I: Tolkien basically Christianized Norse mythology, yes he did. That's one reason the extreme wings of the fundamentalists consider his Christian allegories to be Satanic. The problem is that every fantasy writer since has tried to ape Tolkien, and not to create something new. Morgoth's project with the Japanese Conan series is a nice change of pace from the constant rehashing of elves, dwarves, orcs, and humans. Be nice to have Oni, spectral cats, and kami running around as opposed to Norse critters. Hell, even Greek or Hindu stuff would be relatively refreshing.

Point II: Yes, he should be. Eragon is Star Wars with dragons. That's all it is.

[Mindfreak]

And... I'll stick with my initial points that ***** had many sources, much like Tolkien, Herbert, Burroughs and every other writer who has created a mythology of some kind. I guess I should call Tolkien a thief since Gandalf is basically Odin and his family should pony up some royalties to the Finnish government since he used The Kalevala as a major source for The Silmarillion.

Also, Christopher Paolini should be sending checks to Skywalker Ranch, considering that his entire career as a writer hinges on the fact that he's seen Star Wars.



Advanced is not how I would explain SW compared to Dune, more like a variation.
:eh:
I didn't meen that, I was just using the "Not Stupid, ADVANCED!" comment as a joke..... Plus, i wouldnt' know which is better, 'cause I never read Dune.....

[Dr. Strangelove]

Point II: Yes, he should be. Eragon is Star Wars with dragons. That's all it is.

Why does that sound so much more awesome in concept than in practice?

[Archaic_Avenger]

http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html

Here we find a lengthy list of the similarities between Star Wars and Dune. Directly below it is an article detailing Herbert's many influences. Notice how much he directly lifted from Shakespeare, especially noticably Hamlet. There's also quite a bit of Martian tales in there, including the note that Dune is in effect Burrough's Martian Tales as done in a more politically minded, historically themed adult setting. Early versions of Dune even took place on Mars. So if you can thank Arrakis for Tattooine, you can certainly thank Barsoom for Arrakis.

Now check this out:
http://www.krucli.com/the_hero's_journey.htm
This is the Hero's Journey, created by Joseph Campbell. The goal was to chronicle in the most basic of terms the various stages and elements that occur in just about every epic. Georgie Boy actually worked with Mr. Campbell using this same Journey while creating Star Wars. Try and fit it. It works for each movie, it works for each trilogy, and it even works for each individual character. Just about each moment appears, and does so in the same sequence with very little wavering. Now try this Journey with other stories. Dune, Lord of the Rings, Martian Tales, anything; it all works. You can even match it to Martian Tales books 1, 2, and 3 individually and as a trilogy. Hell, I penned a primitive comic series for a while, split into 6 story arcs. I realized that with uncanny precision, I could match the whole series and each arc with this Journey. Are all these stories that match it in debt to Mr. Campbell? Is Mr. Campbell in debt to any and all stories he researched while creating this? Is there a ripoff somewhere along these lines? No, no, and no.