Star Wars ***** bootlickers united

[CBright7831]

Look I know alot fans are dying to see whats going to happen with Star Wars Ep 3. Here what I found:
Download the video:
http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/madness/swvideo.html

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>EP3: Leaked Footage Hits the Net</span>
There's plenty for fans to talk about this weekend, as footage shown at the private meeting goes very public. We have received countless reports of this, along with countless links to the video. Earlier this week, the decision makers from Target and the marketing team from #####film played show and tell. Big deals have been made but before the ink could dry hot footage of the event ends up online. Plenty of action from The Duel is revealed, including moments where the two Jedi put their sabers down for a second and use the fists and feet.

The montage is set to AC/DC's &quot;Back in Black&quot; - obviously a reference to the return of Lord Vader, who actually makes an appearance in the bootleg about halfway through in one quick shot. There are tons more tidbits fans have found as they pick the footage apart.

Although ##### film definitely must be upset, they have to find solace in that fan reaction has been uber-positive and everyone is thrilled to get a glimpse of the new film. If this footage is any indication of what is to come, Episode III is easily going to be the best of the prequel bunch

http://www.themovieinsider.com/backinblack/ep1_2.jpg

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Who cares about this at all? George Luc@s ruined the Sci-Fi Genre. Phantom Menace and Clone Wars destroyed Science-Fiction, and made people into believing that it's something it is not. Likewise, Episode Three will be garbage just like the previous two films in the new trilogy. I will be amazed if I actually end up seeing this film when it gets it's big theatrical release.

[Godjira]

Ok the footage is cool, but I've got a question, why is Luc.as censored out?

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Quote[/b] (Godjira @ Jan. 25 2004,20:53)]Ok the footage is cool, but I've got a question, why is Luc.as censored out?
Because Clint hates George Luc@ss and the new SW Trilogy with a passion.

[monsterslayers]

I read somewhere that the official title for Episode III is 'Revenge of the Sith,' according to some sort of magazine. Anywhoo, I won't be downloading this, nor will I read any spoilers. I want to be surprised.

The only complaint about the new series is the fact that it seems George isn't telling his story, he's merely making up things in order to show off and boast about their advanced usage of CGI, IMO.

[CBright7831]

There was a blue screen or green screen in every shot of that film. I guess that's why Star Wars: Episode III won't be coming out until next year.

[Raptor]

This was brought up on the DKE mail list and might provide a little &quot;food for thought&quot; here also.

Has anyone noticed how similar Star Wars is to LOTR after reading the Tolkien books? Here are a few items:

Gollum/Sméagol -- Yoda
Aragorn -- Han Solo
Frodo -- Luke Skywalker
Gandalf -- Ben Kenobi
Arwen, Eowyn, Galadriel -- Leia/Amadala
Boromir -- Lando Calrissian
Saruman -- Darth Vader
Sauron -- The Emperor
Edoras -- Endor
Uruk-hai -- The Imperial Army
Barad-dur/Orthanc -- The Many Death Stars
Pelennor Fields -- The Final Battle in Jedi
The Return of the King -- The Return of the Jedi
The Oliphants -- The At-At Walkers
Caradhras -- The Ice Planet of Hoth
Lothlorien/Rivendell -- Endor
The Cave of the Dead -- The Cave on Dagobah

Since Tolkien published his series of LOTR, The Silmarillion and The Hobbit in 1954, a time when ##### would have been a young kid, it makes you wonder how much influence Tolkien may have had on him. Same with Frank Herbert and the Dune books. A lot of the themes are similar and rather universal but sometimes things are just too obvious not to notice...

[Jet Jaguar]

Interesting theory......
too bad ##### no longer cares as much for his Trilogy as jackson does for Tolkiens

[Raptor]

It could be asked why Gollum and Yoda are alike, other than both being short and having funny voices. &nbsp;One is a metaphor for greed, delusion and attachment while the latter is supposed to be an enlightened sage. &nbsp;

The themes are universal and Tolkien heavily borrowed from ancient myths and archetypes. A number of ancient cultures that had myths concerning rings that wielded great power is rather amazing in iteself. Could this just be a case of two people who knew a thing or two about world history and legend using it to frame and motivate their own creative endeavors? Further comparisons, anyone?

[Morgoth]

No, you should look to Japanese films, ironically enough, for where ##### took his ideas and indeed many of his visuals. I doubt if the git even read Tolkien before he made the first movie. Trying to impose Star Wars characters over those from LotR sounds more like some Star Wars geek in denial trying to either belittle LotR (forgetting that it was a book decades before it was a series of movies) or else trying to legitimize and add some class to something that has come to represent the very dregs of science fiction.

For those interested, some specific Japanese films I'd suggest looking at for the 'inspiration' of Star Wars are 'The Hidden Fortress' (both the general plot of Star Wars plus the characters of R2-D2 and C-3P0), 'The Mysterians' (the look of the Mysterians and their base is very similar to that of stormtroopers and the Death Star interiors), 'Battle in Outer Space' (the first film to feature fighter combat in space) and especially 'The Magic Serpent', which has the entire Obi-Wan/Darth Vader relationship in there in the person of its two sorcerers, as well as alot of the Luke Skywalker bit in the person of the good prince who studies under the hermit wizard who originally taught the bad guy sorcerer (and who in turn is serving a corrupt emperor/shogun). The evil sorcerer even hires 'bounty hunters' to track down the good guys!

[Melkor]

Aside from those compatisons, I don't think there are anything else in common between SW and LOTR. First, LOTR is a 'fundamentally religious/Catholic work', in the words of Tolkien, and is perhaps more represantative of some Biblical undertones. True, SW, at least the first three, had the Force, which was more of a mystical force than anything. And Ep. I messed that concept up even more by introducing those 'midichlorians'. Going back to LOTR and the Bible, Frodo, Gandalf and Aragorn seem like metaphors for the threefold mission of Christ: King, Priest, Prophet. Frodo is the suffering victim who bears the cross of Middle-earth, the Ring, and is also the one who destroys it. Aragorn possesses the Kingship of Christ. And Gandalf could be representative of the Prophetic attribute of Christ, because of the various counsels that he gives. Anyway, that is just an example; Tolkien himself never said anything about Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn being personifications of these three attributes.

And I definitely agree with Morgoth, if ##### borrowed from some source, it would most likely be the following Japanese movies he listed above. In fact I don't think there are even much to compare between the LOTR characters and their SW counterparts, but that's just me.



Peace,



Melkor



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[Jet Jaguar]

Carrie Fisher once said in an interview that George ##### was &quot;Steeped in Film Lore&quot;, and he was heavily influenced by Kurosawa.
Kurosawa WAS one of the best Directors EVER, so yeah he influenced a LOT of people.
So you guys arent too far off there!

[Gothmog]

<font color='#FF0000'>Saruman:&quot;No Frodo, I am your father.
Frodo:&quot;Noooooooooooooo!!!111!!oneone&quot;
Heh, heh. Well in all seriousness, I see barely any resemblance between LOTR and SW.
Theres my two cents.

[Archaic_Avenger]

i see what Raptor means, although me being the biggest Yoda fan ever, i see it morally wrong to classify Gollum as the Yoda of the LotR universe, or any universe. &nbsp;other than that, it's a good theory, although Star Wars is better...nevermind, i wont even go there...

Rodan2000

[Morgoth]

best not to, or despite the cool moniker I'll have to get the tar and feathers ready http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[LordMumfie]

<font color='#000080'>I don't think that ##### &quot;took&quot; the story of SW from Tolkien. There is an author from Sweden whos name is Astrid Lindgren, you've probably never herd of her, but she wrote a book at about the same time Tolkien wrote LOTR and the story and characters are almost exactly as in LOTR. Example:

The little adoptive boy 'Mio' who has never seen his parents, his mother died in labour and his father is unknown, one day recives an apple from a kind lady and she tells him to go put a letter in the postbox for her. When Mio arrives at the postbox he reads the letter that says something about a the &quot;Distant land&quot; (don't know the correct translation of the swedish name) and a king and his son that will come to him soon. When Mio had put the letter in the postbox he sat down on a park bench and found a bottle that he started to play with. Suddenly a genie appears and it takes Mio to the 'Distant land'. There he meets his father the king and a boy who becomes his friend called 'Jum-Jum'. One day Mio and Jum-Jum listens to a story about a boy who will free the people by riding with his friend to the land where the dark lord Kato lived and kill him. Kato had a heart of stone and he lived in a big, black tower and from a window at the top a red eye shined, it was the evilness of Kato. He had servents who were black spies.
So Mio decides to go to Kato and kill him and he brings Jum-Jum (for those who doesn't get it: SAM) with him. On their journey they meet an almost schitzophrenic (*cough* Gollum *cough*) old man who helps them to get to Kato. They also meet a women who makes dreams and she makes Mios coat an invisibilitycoat. then they recive a sword that can cut through stone from a smith (if you say that the heart of Kato is the &quot;ring&quot; that Mio has to destroy the sword is Mount Doom). Mio kills Kato and everybody is happy. By the way, Kato could transform people into birds (Sauron could change shape).

If you read the whole text you can see many similarities to LOTR, some more farfetched then others, but the funny thing is as I said in the beginning: they wrote the books at almost the exactly time.
Astrid Lindgren (the author of the book i talked about http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif ) got her inspiration from a story I can't remember the name of. So the thing is that this is the steriotypic story about the &quot;little one who travels trough darkness with his friend and with guidience from someone wise (old) to reach the light and defeat the evil&quot;, so practically LOTR, SW and this story is the same story just with other names.
phew!
I hope it made some sense... http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif




Kurt is stupid......

[Goji Son]

Gollum/Sméagol -- Yoda - HELL NO
Aragorn -- Han Solo - NO
Frodo -- Luke Skywalker - NO
Gandalf -- Ben Kenobi - there have been reports that ##### told Guiness to play Ben as if he were Gandalf and the whole dying thing too
Arwen, Eowyn, Galadriel -- Leia/Amadala - NO
Boromir -- Lando Calrissian - HELL NO
Saruman -- Darth Vader - Some resemblence but I also see a relationship between Vader and Gollum
Sauron -- The Emperor - NOPE
Edoras -- Endor - NOT REALLY
Uruk-hai -- The Imperial Army - Nah
Barad-dur/Orthanc -- The Many Death Stars - NO
Pelennor Fields -- The Final Battle in Jedi - LOL NO
The Return of the King -- The Return of the Jedi - Might be on to something there
The Oliphants -- The At-At Walkers - And this too
Caradhras -- The Ice Planet of Hoth - NO
Lothlorien/Rivendell -- Endor - NO
The Cave of the Dead -- The Cave on Dagobah - NOT REALLY

##### took inspiration from alot of things, Spaghetti Westerns, Samurai films (Kurosawa specifically, and on a interesting note Toshiro Mifune was suppose to play Obi Wan), Flash Gordon episodes. &nbsp;But here's the thing, LOTR isn't exactly original either, Tolkien took alot of elements form Finnish myth, Beuwolf and other stuff. &nbsp;Gandalf is basically Odin. &nbsp;

Kurosawa's samurai films were heavily influenced by John Ford's westerns and Spaghetti Westerns were influenced from Kurosawa samurai films. &nbsp;Starting to see a pattern here? &nbsp;

The thing is, there is a fine line between being influenced and ripping off material and SW doesn't rip off anything, even the crappy new ones. &nbsp;Now the first draft of SW is was a complete rip off of 'The Hidden Fortress' but ##### changed it and made it something complete different and completely new.

[Zeptron]

So...Is there any NEW material left in the world? &nbsp;http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif

[WitchKing667]

<font color='#000F22'>Why can't you say George ##### on this board? I understand the man lost most of crediblity making two very crappy films and I'm no fan of his, but no director deserves to have their name bleeped out, not even Michael Bay..
I personally do see somewhat of a resemblance to Star Wars and Tolkien, nothing huge, but it was obviously one of #####' sources, aside from the Japanese films Morgoth mentioned. The truth is, every fantasy story written after The Lord of the Rings has been influenced by Tolkien in some way, no matter how subtle.

[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>I too was curious about the censorship of George Luke Az... Censhorship in general is lame...and is making me rethink where I have been posting these last few months...
whats the deal?

I suppose a few parallels can be &nbsp;drwn between Star wars and LOTR...considering they are both fantasy adventures about good triumphing over evil...Both Luke and Frodo deal with their Dark side... and so and so...

as for LOtR being Christian metaphor, I have to doubt that... If tolkein said anything of the sort I might beleive that he was perhaps protecting himself from conservative christian types that may veiw his books as Pagan, for containing magic, and 'false' gods.

Don't Forget to fill us in on the Jorj Loockass.

[Showa Mothra #1]

Why do I keeping seeing ####, in every post in this thread?

[Goji Son]

The reason stems from the hatred CL and Brandon have of our favorite one hit wonder (as a director atleast). &nbsp;Ep 1 really left it's mark in CL's dark heart and the name L U C A S is considered a word of blasphemy. &nbsp;It's really no big deal, it's just a dudes last name.

[kent]

The only SW movies I enjoy are the Ep 4-6. Other than that, Ep. 1 and 2 have become nothing but blah blah blah fests!
The LOTR is s good series, but I felt the movies were WAY too long! Making the movies somewhat of a snooze. I couldn't wait for the first one to end because I felt it was too long. The movies could have been cut to 2 1/2 hours at most.

[WitchKing667]

Quote[/b] (kent @ Feb. 22 2004,21:08)]The LOTR is s good series, but I felt the movies were WAY too long! Making the movies somewhat of a snooze. I couldn't wait for the first one to end because I felt it was too long. The movies could have been cut to 2 1/2 hours at most.
<font color='#000F22'>http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif And this is from a man who has GINO as his avatar? I don't think you've read the books. Peter Jackson had to cut enough out of The Return of the King to get it down to three and a half hours, including the appearances of Christopher Lee, Brad Dourif and Bruce Spence. The EE of RotK is rumored to be almost five hours long.
The only problem I had with PJ's handling of LotR is the fact that he put too much of The Two Towers into RotK. I think he should have made the theatrical versions of TTT and RotK both three and half hours long and ended TTT with Saruman's death and Frodo and Sam outside Minas Morgul. Just imagine how great seeing an army ten times the size of Saruman's storm out of Minas Morgul before the credits roll would have set up RotK. And PJ would have had less of TTT to cover in RotK and that means we might have gotten to see the Houses of Healing and the Mouth of Sauron in the theatrical cuts.
Other than that the movies are nearly perfect the way they are.

[kent]

Quote[/b] ] And this is from a man who has GINO as his avatar?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Raptor]

Exactly! Let's stay on topic or we can just lock this down without any further consideration.

[Melkor]

Quote[/b] ]as for LOtR being Christian metaphor, I have to doubt that

Tolkien himself said that LOTR was a 'fundamentally Catholic work.' Of course, with him being a devout Catholic and all [ I believe he was a cradle convert-- he converted to Catholicism at the insistence of his mother ], there's bound to be alot of symbolism in there. For example, Tolkien is explicit in saying that Melkor/Morgoth was the Diabolos of the story. But he also rejected the notion of a conscious allegory in his stories, which makes it a little more interesting. The following are quotes of interest from J.R.R Tolkien himself:

&quot;The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults and practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.&quot;

&quot;But by a strange chance, just as I was beginning this letter, I had one from a man, who classified himself as 'an unbeliever, or at best a man of belatedly and dimly dawning religious feeling... but you', he said, 'create a world in which some sort of faith seems to be everywhere without a visible source, like light from an invisible lamp.&quot;

&quot;Of course the book was written to please myself (at different levels), and as an experiment in the arts of long narrative, and of inducing 'Secondary Belief'. It was written slowly and with great care for detail, &amp; finally emerged as a Frameless Picture: a searchlight as it were, on a brief episode in History, and on a small part of our Middle-earth, surrounded by the glimmer of limitless extensions in time and space.&quot;

&quot;If you do not believe in a personal God the question: 'What is the purpose of life?' is unaskable and unanswerable. To whom or what would you address the question?&quot;

&quot;I find myself in sympathy with those developments that are strictly 'ecumenical', that is concerned with other groups or churches that call themselves (and often truly are) 'Christian'. We have prayed endlessly for Christian re-union, but it is difficult to see, if one reflects, how that could possibly begin to come about except as it has, with all its ineveitable minor absurdities.&quot;

&quot;I don't feel under any obligation to make my story fit with formalized Christian theology, though I actually intended it to be consonant with Christian thought and belief, which is asserted somewhere, Book Five, page 190, where Frodo asserts that the orcs are not evil in origin. We believe that, I suppose, of all human kinds and sorts and breeds, though some appear, both as individuals and groups to be, by us at any rate, unredeemable...&quot;

&quot;In the cosmogonic myth Manwë is said to be 'brother' of Melkor, that is they were coëval and equipotent in the mind of the Creator. Melkor became the rebel, and the Diabolos of these tales, who disputed the kingdom of Arda with Manwë.&quot;

&quot;There is no 'symbolism' or conscious allegory in my story. Allegory of the sort 'five wizards = five senses' is wholly foreign to my way of thinking. There were five wizards and that is just a unique part of history. To ask if the Orcs 'are' Communists is to me as sensible as asking if Communists are Orcs.&quot;



Peace,



Melkor



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[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>I by no means meant to doubt you source...I'm just generally suspicious of peoples intentions...and as such considering the more Christian conservative nature of society in tolkiens time and the LOTR being the first books of there kind...(Pagan fantasy).... It' seems resonable to me that he would make a statement like above to prevent criticism from fundementalist groups...But I was just presenting a hypothesis, for the sake of argument, cause thats what I do best. http://www.rodansroost.com/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Oh and as for the george L*(#$.... you should see his early fim... THX1138...it may redeem him in you eyes... it's really good.
As well he was responsible for the release of many japanese films in america, including his own little plagerism &quot;the Hidden Fortrss&quot;... and the Biography of &nbsp;Yukio Mishima.

But seriously check out THX1138 if you haven't already...

[Andross]

I'm sure many of you have heard that when the original Star Wars trilogy comes out on DVD this September, George ##### is planning on having them be the special editions, and NOT the original movies. For anyone as absolutely pissed off as I am, please read and sign this:

Original Trilogy Petition (http://originaltrilogy.com/index.cfm)

I doubt it will do anything to change #####film's mind, but you might as well sign it and express your fury.

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>Yeah. I hate the fact that they are doing that. Though I am surprised. With how greedy George ##### is, I thought that they would put both trilogies out, so that people would most likely buy them both. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Gorjirus]

<font color='#FF0000'>Because I believe that Morgoth hates George ##### for ruining what was so great about the original trilogy. So he decided that it would be bleeped out, as if it were a curse word.

[Saruman]

It is a curse word. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Dark Warrior]

You know,on someother forum,there was a comment about this.You know how George ##### said the new trilogy was his &quot;orignal vision&quot;...in reply to this someone said...

&quot;#### his original vision&quot;

Sums it all up pretty well,dont it?

[Goji Son]

Georgie said that he will never show the original versions and that the SE are basically the original versions. &nbsp;This petition ain't gonna do much.

[Morgoth]

There's no talking to a powermad nitwit with more money than brains. Mostly why I've totally abandoned what used to be one of my absolute favourite franchises. Man, if somebody had told me in 1997 that I'd be dumping all my SW stuff and that I wouldn't care a rat's *** about a DVD release of the original films, I'd have said they were crazy. Just goes to show that one never can be certain what the future holds.

[Saruman]

Maybe we should start a petition to get old Georgie committed. He sure doesnt seem capable of making sound decisions or controling himself any longer.

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[WitchKing667]

<font color='#000F22'>Yeah, I think even the SW prequels can't compare to the Tristar Godzilla in awfulness..

[MechaV]

This the one where all the lightsabers are replaced by walkie talkies and they've digitally added Ewoks in every scene?

[Morgoth]

Don't give him ideas....

[Darth Reaper]

Please explain to me what it is exactly that you don't like about the STAR WARS special editions? &nbsp;What unforgivable sin has George ##### commited by making them?

[Morgoth]

Uh, well, look at the quality of some of those additions, say, like the really bad looking Jabba he popped into Star Wars or the stupid worm that crawls outof the Sarlac in Jedi.

But the real thing is simply that I hate Star Wars now, hate George ##### as a power mad twit and quite honestly couldn't care a rat's *** what he does with the franchise now. It is dead to me and that jagoff gets no more of my money. Ever. Period. http://www.kaijuphile.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Zeptron]

OK, a few dinky little F/X shots...What does that have to do with the STORY??!!

[Zigra]

Quote[/b] (Morgoth @ May 09 2004,04:49)]Don't give him ideas....
<font color='#0000FF'>MechaVaran was making a reference to an excellent South Park episode that pokes fun at ##### and Spielberg's increasing madness.

[Darth Reaper]

I'm sorry guys, but it looks to me like some of you need to lighten up abit. &nbsp;I grew up with STAR WARS too, but I enjoyed the special editions. &nbsp;I question some of the decisions that were made, like having Han Solo dodge Greedo's shot, and that worm thingy that comes out of the Sarlac. &nbsp;But, I still enjoyed them. &nbsp;And, i like the new FX.

Maybe, it wouldn't be such a big deal if George would continue to produce the original versions along with the new ones. &nbsp;Then, those who like the new versions can have them, and those who prefer the original versions can have them. &nbsp;Maybe, if somebody wrote to George ##### and asked him nicely to do this, and gave a good reasonable arguement for why this would be a good idea, he'd concider it. &nbsp;Hate-filled rants aren't going to help, but discussing it calmly and reasonablly might.

And, Clint, all of this venom that you feel towards ##### can't be healthy. &nbsp;I think you need to let it go.

[Zigra]

Quote[/b] (Morgoth @ May 09 2004,18:46)]Hate keeps me warm at night.
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You know, as annoyed as I am that the original versions won't be released, I have to admit that I really like the new song for the Ewok victory celebration at the end of RotJ. It's nice to know that while George ##### and Steven Spielberg descend into meglomaniacal madness, John Williams hasn't lost his touch.

Just a passing thought, do you guys suppose that the DVD for &quot;The Empire Strikes Back&quot; will finally feature that cut-out scene with the wampas attacking the Echo Base? I hope it will, but somehow I doubt it.

[Saruman]

Quote[/b] (Darth Reaper @ May 09 2004,16:19)]Maybe, it wouldn't be such a big deal if George would continue to produce the original versions along with the new ones. *Then, those who like the new versions can have them, and those who prefer the original versions can have them. *Maybe, if somebody wrote to George ##### and asked him nicely to do this, and gave a good reasonable arguement for why this would be a good idea, he'd concider it. *Hate-filled rants aren't going to help, but discussing it calmly and reasonablly might.
Hate to tell you this but its already been done by the fans who had a very sizeable petition to go along with it. What was Georgie's response....That the SE Versions are his real vision and those are the only ones he wants people to see.

Way to treat the fans who freaking made you huh, by telling them to basically go screw themselves.

Sorry but even if he did put out the originals without the added footage I wouldnt be buying them either.

Oh and I also grew up on SW, and had every freaking toy made, and thats not an exaggeration, I even had all the really rare figures like the Sears Snaggletooth and mail away figures and stuff. I basically lived SW growing up. Thank god I sold all of my toys when they were still worth something. I wouldnt get half of what I sold them for now.

[Mecha-Rodan]

I found this at Godzilla Stomp today. It is a scene from Star Wars, Episode II: Attack of the Clones. I found it interesting.

Star Wars Maser Tanks (http://www.starwars.com/community/downloads/wallpaper/viewer/theme20020822/8_800x600.jpg)

Once you get over the video game-level CGI, notice how George ##### made his tribute to Tsuburaya (and I believe that it was a tribute, not a rip-off) with those Maser-style Tanks. To bad the movie didn't make it a worthwhile tribute.

[SandwormPhish]

That would be a SPHA-T (Self Propelled Heavy Artillery- Turbolaser). &nbsp;It comes in a couple varieties though not just the turbolaser equipped one. &nbsp;And maybe I'm remembering wrong but I think

Plus that's from a promotional wallpaper not a shot from the movie.

[Mecha-Rodan]

Yes, but aren't they the ones who shoot down the dome ships? Eh, I wouldn't know, I havn't seen the movie in half a year...

[SandwormPhish]

Yes they're the ones that do that. &nbsp;The platform itself is a SPHA (Self Propelled Heavy Artillery). &nbsp;The last letter is dependant on what kind of gun it's equipped with. &nbsp;The SPHA-T is the one that's in the movie with the Maser Tank style TL on it. &nbsp;There's a version in the Clone Wars cartoon that lobs shells, and IIRC there's a missile equipped version to.

[KaijuDave]

Found this on Yahoo News:
George ***** gets 'Revenge' for third 'Star Wars' prequel
*****film Unveils New 'Star Wars' Title
Sat Jul 24, 6:48 PM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!
By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer
SAN DIEGO - The final "Star Wars" prequel is just "Episode III" no more. *****film announced its new title Saturday: "Revenge of the Sith." The movie, set for release in May 2005, will link the prequels with the original "Star Wars" trilogy by showing how Luke Skywalker's father, Anakin, went from a sweet-natured slave boy to the galaxy-crushing villain Darth Vader. The Sith is the evil sect that corrupts Anakin (played by Hayden Christensen) by drawing him into the dark side of the Force, the cosmic power that balances the universe.
*****film announced the new title at the annual Comic-Con International, the annual gathering of tens of thousands of sci-fi and superhero fans. It was a risky move — some of the notoriously fickle "Star Wars" admirers initially bristled at previous prequel titles "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones." Star Wars creator and filmmaker George ***** did not attend the event, but sent fan relations chief Steve Sansweet in his place. Sansweet announced the title by pulling off a baseball jersey to reveal a black T-shirt emblazoned with "Revenge of the Sith."
"For some time now, the naming of a new 'Star Wars' movie has taken on some special meaning among core fans who love to take part in guessing games and speculation before a title is announced," Sansweet told nearly 6,500 convention attendees. "And then (they) engage in debate once it is ... so let the debate begin." Minutes later, a sampling of audience members dressed as Jedis, stormtroopers and other "Star Wars" characters showed they approved. "I thought it was great, I loved it,' said Barren Wright, 35, a graphic designer from Modesto who was dressed as the green-armored bounty hunter Boba Fett. "This takes it back to the classic trilogy, It's a smart move by *****film to tie it all together since the logo and everything is identical to 'Return of the Jedi.'" Wright said the symmetry between the titles reflects the story lines. Anyone who has seen the original "Star Wars" from 1977 knows that the good guys — that is the Jedi — would be wiped out by Darth Vader in "Episode III" just as Vader and his evil Empire were toppled in 1983's "Return of the Jedi."

In addition to the title, *****film also sent concept artist Ryan Church to show off drawings of a Wookie tree civilization from "Episode III" and played footage of Christensen's climactic light-saber duel — minus all the special effects — with co-star Ewan McGregor, who plays Obi-Wan Kenobi. "Return of the Jedi" was originally to be titled "Revenge of the Jedi." Some advance promotional material even featured that title, but George changed it later in production. "This time, George tells us he's going to keep 'Revenge' in the title," Sansweet said. He had one other announcement for fans: "Revenge of the Sith" T-shirts would go on sale inside Comic-Con's main hall in five minutes.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Oh great. Don't remind us, please.. after the last two travesties....

[KaijuDave]

Oh great. Don't remind us, please.. after the last two travesties....
Aww c'mon! The 2nd one wasn't all that bad (except for whiny Anakin). You gotta admit it did have some cool fight scenes (YODA!) At least it had the bare minimun of Jar Jar Binks! hehe ;) I've been a SW fan longer than a Kaiju fan (though I don't read SW forums) and this was exciting news to me. Someone from here speculated it might be called "Rise of the Empire" so I thought I'd post the official one here. I'm still looking for other sites to confirm it though. Here was the link to the original article I quoted: Revenge of the Sith (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=8&u=/ap/20040724/ap_on_en_mo/star_wars_title)

[Rodan, Messenger of the Skies]

It's odd. When I used to frequent the SW.com board, that was the first name that popped up in the topic, "What do you think Ep. III will be called?"

You know, Anakin's supposed to be whiny - it shows he's impatient, which is in his character. I wonder why all of the "hardcore" SW fans didn't know that.

[Mothraleo]

Episodes 1 and 2 suck against the original star wars.

[PyrasTerran]

You know, Anakin's supposed to be whiny - it shows he's impatient, which is in his character. I wonder why all of the "hardcore" SW fans didn't know that.

There's a difference between being whiny and being a fookin' wanker.

It's not that Anakin was whiny, it's that the actor was HORRIBLE and UNBELIEVABLE in his performance, and was only chosen because his pretty-boy face fit the part. It would have been fine for him to be whiny, but c'mon, at least make it a believable whininess. He was acting like a 9-year-old for christ's sakes.

:nonono2:

[Angiru-San]

i disagree....I think others could have done it better...but Christiansen did play the part well enough.... And he was picked because of his likeness to the Young Anakin actor, and Mark Hammil (luke skywalker). Its all a matter of opinion. And dont reply to what I just said unless it will be peaceful and not some rediculous contrediction, just to pick a fight.

But anyway the title sounds nice, and has more of a likeness to the original trilogy, like the article said...And atleast the major fans (the ones hardcore enough to show up at the meeting) approved...something the newer franchise needs. I like Ep. I and II, but II is by far the better one. I believe so far III will blow them out of the water...

[Melkor]

Oh! Wait till Clint sees this topic! :p

I don't like the title, it is far too obvious and corny, even for the Prequels. I mean, what's up with titles? They look like they've been ripped off from some obscure Horror movie or something. I'm really not liking that title at all. Anyway, the good thing about this movie is that we finally see that wanker Anakin [ more of Hayden, actually ] get horribly disfigured. Hopefully his performance in that scene wouldn't look too contrived and unbelievable.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[KaijuDave]

I don't like the title, it is far too obvious and corny, even for the Prequels. I mean, what's up with titles? They look like they've been ripped off from some obscure Horror movie or something.
I sortof agree (I thought "Attack of the Clones" was waay too cheesy of a title choice when I first heard it). But George is a fan of the old serials and cliffhangers and early SciFi which had titles such as this. If you think about it, even "The Empire Strikes Back" is a corny title (but Awesome film). They all seem to have a common theme though (B-movie type names). "Revenge of the Sith" will have to grow on me, just as the others did.

P.S. Melkor, why did the system automatically censor George L's last name (even his company came out as *****film) ??? I'm relatively new here, but it seems weird for his name to be forbidden. :confused:

[Cole Deschain]

^Clint's seething hatred and sense of betrayal ensures that the Accursed One's full name will never be on this site.

[Morgoth]

:nonono2: I think that says it all....

[Melkor]

P.S. Melkor, why did the system automatically censor George L's last name (even his company came out as *****film) ??? I'm relatively new here, but it seems weird for his name to be forbidden. :confused:
Well, to cut a long story short, Clint aka Morgoth, the site's creator, and one time Star Wars fan, hates George Judas with a passion. Censoring ***** is a way for him to stop spitting diatribe after diatribe in every 'Star Wars' thread that happens to be posted here. The root of this loathing is, of course, the Prequels. Well, I hope this would be of help. :)



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Metal Zombie]

Well, to cut a long story short, Clint aka Morgoth, the site's creator, and one time Star Wars fan, hates George Judas with a passion. Censoring ***** is a way for him to stop spitting diatribe after diatribe in every 'Star Wars' thread that happens to be posted here. The root of this loathing is, of course, the Prequels. Well, I hope this would be of help. :)



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:
You know, I really feel sorry for anyone who comes here and their real name IS ***** or has ***** in their username for one reason or another...

I personally don't mind the Star Wars movies. I know people complain about the overuse of CGI and stuff, but that's Georgie just packing as much special effects as he can. He did it with the first 3 movies, before CGI was available and now that it is, he's just playing with it. Nevermind I said that, he does use it too much...

And as for the title...Meh.

[Da_Jinx]

I think "Rise of the Empire" would have been a better name. It's just a more powerful title amd it is true in the movie.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

*Begins to dance and hum the Deathstar theme*
Now we get to see that whinny loser get his *** disfigured.
Aninkin:Owww that really stung owww stop waaaahaaaa!
Obi-Juan:Stop whining you baby.Its your fault!
Anikin:Your mean!NOW I WILL TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE!!*Trips and falls*AHHHHH!

[Jet Jaguar]

I think a better title would have been:
STAR WARS III:
HOPE FOR THE FRANCHISE

then leading to part IV, A NEW HOPE, etc. etc....

Ah well.
I just hope they get it over with
***** tainted my memories, and it's hard to forgive

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I think a better title would have been:
STAR WARS III:
HOPE FOR THE FRANCHISE

then leading to part IV, A NEW HOPE, etc. etc....

Ah well.
I just hope they get it over with
***** tainted my memories, and it's hard to forgiveHow about: STAR WARS III: NO HOPE FOR THE FRANCHISE. Then it would lead into, A NEW HOPE, where there actually is Hope for the Franchise.

[Angiru-San]

How about: STAR WARS III: NO HOPE FOR THE FRANCHISE. Then it would lead into, A NEW HOPE, where there actually is Hope for the Franchise.

there is hope. This movie will be better and more true to the originals...dark and sorrowful!

[rodan70]

I don't mind the title. It's gotta be a better movie, It has Darth Vader in it!

[Husnock]

"Revenge of the Sith?" This title alone shows that *****film just really isn't trying and just doesn't care anymore. :nonono2: I agree with Da_Jinx. "Rise of the Empire" would've been a much better choice. It's much more powerful, and just plain sounds cooler.

For anyone else who cares, or anyone who is a nut for the ships of SW (like me), there's reportedly a pic of a new starship design for the film floating around one of the big forums (I think it was TheForce.net). From what I gather, it's apparently a "Star Destroyer that isn't a Star Destroyer" (interpret that how you will).

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

This title dosen't make any sense...
Its revenge of the sith.But nothing has happend to the sith yet(its a prequal)so what are they revenging for? :dontgetit:

[Draco Starcloud]

This title dosen't make any sense...
Its revenge of the sith.But nothing has happend to the sith yet(its a prequal)so what are they revenging for? :dontgetit:

They're revenging the fact that there's only two of them and that the Sith got their asses handed to them in the past.

[Doc Ock]

^Couldn't have said it better myself. But after th last movie I have little faith in ***** to make another "Star Wras" flick.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

How the mighty have fallen.I thought this movie was supposed to be about oh I don't know the Empire coming up? The only good thing to come out of these mockeries of the Star wars franchise is Count Dooku.Christopher Lee made a great villian (as he usually does) and here he's supposed to get killed really early on in the movie I hear I haven't been following up on it or anything.How fitting.:hmmm: If he was going to screw up these movies so bad he should've made them exclusively-on-video at least.If only he would've let someone who knew what the real movies were about and could make movies like that like I'm sure Peter Jackson could've done,there might have been hope but I'm afraid the only reason I'll go see this movie is to see what happens and then be relieved when it's over.

[Tomzilla]

This is great news! Star Wars is an excellent movie series and the first two prequels were WELL done! In fact, those two movies alone are superior than even Episodes 4, 5 and 6 by FAR! Let's face it, when Episode 3 is complete, the first 3 will be the greatest films in the history of mankind. Far superior than anything ever made. Even better than the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic and trying to see what a delightful response Clint has instore. ;)

[Husnock]

This is great news! Star Wars is an excellent movie series and the first two prequels were WELL done! In fact, those two movies alone are superior than even Episodes 4, 5 and 6 by FAR! Let's face it, when Episode 3 is complete, the first 3 will be the greatest films in the history of mankind. Far superior than anything ever made. Even better than the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic and trying to see what a delightful response Clint has instore. ;)*Grabs a soft drink and a large bucket of popcorn*

Christopher Lee made a great villian (as he usually does) and here he's supposed to get killed really early on in the movieFirst the threat of a boy band, and now this. I hate you, George. I really do.

[anguirus55]

I'm pissed at Dooku dying early as well (I had a real thought that Dooku-Anakin would have a duel for Palpatine just like Vader-Luke) but everything else about this film is sounding good. I didn't hate Ep. I and II, but if I merely don't hate this one I'll be sorely disappointed. I think that this film can be a bridge between the prequels and the (still and always quite superior) great OT. But it could easily fumble.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I really dislike Hayden Christensen, but I really like Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, and can't wait to see the Duel at the end...

Plus, James Earl Jones' triumphant return...

I just hope we see REAL Star Destroyers. I was fervently hoping to see real stormtroopers and instead they give us an "intermediate" design. Does the Republic/Empire really have nothing better to do than redesign and issue new stormtrooper armor?

[Husnock]

I just hope we see REAL Star Destroyers. I was fervently hoping to see real stormtroopers and instead they give us an "intermediate" design. Does the Republic/Empire really have nothing better to do than redesign and issue new stormtrooper armor?Heh, wouldn't it be great to see the good ol' VSD's get a little cinematic cameo? But then again, I haven't seen so much as a Dreadnaught in sight (which is expected, as GL apparently wants his Prequels to have nothing to do with the EU).

Oh well, it was reportedly the only new ship revealed so far, so we might have a chance at seeing one. AFter all, the Acclamators (the big troopships) were originally mistaken for "Star Destroyer prototypes" back in the days when rumors of AotC ran rampant (as they always do before a movie as eagerly awaited as these come out), so who knows whats in store...

[Morgoth]

I don't think I could say anything worse than the script details Georgie has let slip, so why should I bother? Sorry Tomzilla, but beating on what is now obviously a barin-dead vegetable lying on the side of the road is not my idea of a productive way to spend time.

Besides - 'Revenge of the Sith'? I am just in such awe of such an amazing title (see, I can be sarcastic too).

[Rodan, Messenger of the Skies]

"First the threat of a boy band"

Rumor. He was never going to have N'SYNC in Episode I/II.

You know what, I'm sick of all this SW prequel hate. I think more than ten Godzilla movies are worse than every single SW film made. Am I the only one that didn't hate the prequels? Yeah, I know Episode I is bad, but think about it: George had to introduce everybody, manage good special effects, try to have convincing roles and dialogue, AND had to live up to the previous SW films. While I know that that film didn't acomplish half of those, it is hard to make a film, and I for one think he did well for what was at hand. It IS hard to live up to something. Look at post-Aliens, post-Gamera Vs. Gyaos, and post-Jurassic Park. I'm serious: if you hate, absolutely hate, the prequels, then you are obviously not a true SW fan. I couldn't possibly fathom anyone hating these films. Even the American Godzilla movie is less badly received than these movies. I don't see that many people ranting about it anymore.



I don't get it. Episode III is the end of the SW saga (well, based on how George maked the films, not chronologically). It is supposed to mean an end to the great legacy George has created for us. Any loyal fan would see this movie, regardless of how bad it may be.

Please do not respond to my post in an angry manner. These are my opinions, and most likely my opinions only. Respect that.

[Morgoth]

And respect the fact that around here, SW is despised and loathed with a level of venomness that would make a black mamba look harmless. You want to talk with people that don't hate what Georgie has done then go zip on over to a fan-boy forum for that drivel. Revenge of da Sith isn't the end of the SW franchise, The Phantom Menace was. But, obviously, you look at things through rose-coloured glasses and can't see that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. As for the prequels being better than any ten Godzilla movies, I'd have to violently disagree on that point. Chanel surfing I saw the fight from Attack of the Clowns at the very end - those effects are much worse than a lot of Showa-level sequences and, obviously, the story is even more convoluted and ridiculous than anything Toho has foisted on the public. Georgie has even developed this amazing ability that, through his direction, he can make even phenomenal actors like Samuel L Jackson, Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee come across as amateurs incapable of interacting with their surroundings, delivering real emotion in their lines, or even maintaining a straight face.

Oh, wait, that's right, everything is blue-screened so that there is nothing to interact with. I forgot. Hmmm, way to go Georgie, having Ewan McGregor trying to make eye contact with something that isn't there, isn't of human proportion and is in a setting that consists of a blue box until your precious ILM yes-men slap some pixels over it is so much better than, oh, building sets, using models. I mean, just look at the difference in quality between LotR and the prequels, I am so certain he made the right choice. And that bridge I own in Brooklyn is still up for sale too.

Ah, piss on this, I've wasted enough time with you people.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

And respect the fact that around here, SW is despised and loathed with a level of venomness that would make a black mamba look harmless. You want to talk with people that don't hate what Georgie has done then go zip on over to a fan-boy forum for that drivel. Revenge of da Sith isn't the end of the SW franchise, The Phantom Menace was. But, obviously, you look at things through rose-coloured glasses and can't see that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. As for the prequels being better than any ten Godzilla movies, I'd have to violently disagree on that point. Chanel surfing I saw the fight from Attack of the Clowns at the very end - those effects are much worse than a lot of Showa-level sequences and, obviously, the story is even more convoluted and ridiculous than anything Toho has foisted on the public. Georgie has even developed this amazing ability that, through his direction, he can make even phenomenal actors like Samuel L Jackson, Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee come across as amateurs incapable of interacting with their surroundings, delivering real emotion in their lines, or even maintaining a straight face.

Oh, wait, that's right, everything is blue-screened so that there is nothing to interact with. I forgot. Hmmm, way to go Georgie, having Ewan McGregor trying to make eye contact with something that isn't there, isn't of human proportion and is in a setting that consists of a blue box until your precious ILM yes-men slap some pixels over it is so much better than, oh, building sets, using models. I mean, just look at the difference in quality between LotR and the prequels, I am so certain he made the right choice. And that bridge I own in Brooklyn is still up for sale too.

Ah, piss on this, I've wasted enough time with you people.Was that even necessary? Rodan, Messenger of the Skies enjoys the prequels, there's really nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, they're only movies.

[Cole Deschain]

^Maybe, but anybody who's been paying attention knows just how much seething hatred Clint has for the series.

[Morgoth]

Probably not, however I've been a bit more septic in my attitude toward these fools who can't see what Georgie has done, who still try and pretend these prequels are pinnacles of film-making. I can only shake my head and wonder how in Hell anybody can have such low standards for their entertainment to actually give a rat's *** what happens with Star Wars now. That franchise is dead, let it rot.

And for everybody who thinks that this third film is going to redeem everything - stop living in denial. It would take a miracle on the level of the Second Coming to erase and excuse the idiocy of the first two films.

[rodan70]

I don't care what anyone says, Darth Vader is in it, I'll love it.

[Dark Warrior]

Revenge of the Sith-meh,its...corny and,not really very good.

In all honesty,he should of just called it Star Wars III-I want your money

...and Lord knows he's gonna get it...damn shame.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I just see them as bad films and like to joke about, as evident above.

[Archaic_Avenger]

and i still dont know what everyone hates about the new Star Wars movies. Episode 1 was a little kiddish, but i liked it. i can see why some people didn't, what with Jar Jar. but Episode 2 was just amazing. really, it was a great movie that i didn't even want to end. sure Anakin was a little whiny at points, mostly just that scene by the fireplace, but other than that, it was an amazingly well acted movie that i'm proud to own. and i think that this movie is gonna be absolutely great.

Rodan2000

[Saruman]

You know what, I'm sick of all this SW prequel hate. I think more than ten Godzilla movies are worse than every single SW film made. Am I the only one that didn't hate the prequels?
You might want to read what you write before you tell people not to respond with anger or hate, as what you wrote here is clearly the same thing that you are telling others not to respond with, the first line alone tells you that.

Yeah, I know Episode I is bad, but think about it: George had to introduce everybody, manage good special effects, try to have convincing roles and dialogue, AND had to live up to the previous SW films. While I know that that film didn't acomplish half of those, it is hard to make a film, and I for one think he did well for what was at hand. It IS hard to live up to something. Look at post-Aliens, post-Gamera Vs. Gyaos, and post-Jurassic Park.
So your criteria for liking a movie isn't based on how well its made? What exactly do you base whether you like a film on then? Sorry, but every "first" movie has to introduce it's characters and EVERY film has to have convincing roles and dialogue for it to be even remotely good. SPFX are a dime a dozen in this day and there are many films that have better and more convincing special effects than the SW Prequals. You yourself say right here that Ep.1 was a bad movie and didn't accomplish half of those things(actually it didn't accomplish any of them) so why do you even like this movie? To like something that doesn't even meet what you put down for criteria simply makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Oh and don't give me this if you don't like the Prequels your not a "True" SW Fan BS, because that is simply what it is, complete BS.

I'm serious: if you hate, absolutely hate, the prequels, then you are obviously not a true SW fan. I couldn't possibly fathom anyone hating these films. Even the American Godzilla movie is less badly received than these movies. I don't see that many people ranting about it anymore.
So I was never a "True" SW fan then? I can put money on it that I was a bigger SW fan than you could ever imagine yourself to be. Did you have every single SW toy ever made for the first 3 movies? I DID, that includes extremely rare variants as well. Were you ever a member of the SW Fan Club? I WAS. Did you ever own any of the Original Movie Posters? I DID. No I guess I wasn't a "True" fan by your standards. I just grew up with SW and it was the center of my entire childhood. I had just about everything that you could ever want as a SW fan, a collection of SW stuff that even my Godzilla and Comicbook collection together couldn't even come remotely close to in size or scope and both of those are pretty large. So before you tell someone they are not a "True" fan if they dont like the Prequels, you might want to think about what I just said.

Here is an FYI as to the difference between the SW Prequels and the American Godzilla movies. The American Godzilla movie was made by people that had little to no respect for the source material and were people that had nothing to do with any previous Godzilla films. They took something that was someone elses and destroyed it.

The SW Prequels were made by the SAME PERSON that not only made the original trilogy, but who went back and altered the original trilogy which also ruined that IMO. GL has destroyed what he originally created and so many people grew up on. That is the difference between what GL has done with the Prequels and what D&E did to Godzilla. It's one thing to destroy someone elses work, but when you destroy your own that is just magnitudes worse.

I don't get it. Episode III is the end of the SW saga (well, based on how George maked the films, not chronologically). It is supposed to mean an end to the great legacy George has created for us. Any loyal fan would see this movie, regardless of how bad it may be.
So as a "loyal" fan we should just throw our money away simply because GL wants to put out another crappy movie? Yes, I guess we should all be lemmings and just jump right off the cliff together. Sorry, but GL showed no loyalty to the fans when they requested that he put the "original" trilogy out on DVD in its ORIGINAL format and he simply said no, because the "updated" ones with the enhanced CGI edited scenes are what he alone want and that should be good enough for us. SORRY, but GL has shown that he not only doesn't care about the fans that made him what he is, but he has directly spit in their faces when they asked for one simple request, that being to have the "original" movies in their "original" format available on DVD. Yeah, i'm going to show that scumbag my loyalty by going to see Ep.3, sorry but I don't think so.

[Baryonyx13]

So your criteria for liking a movie isn't based on how well its made? What exactly do you base whether you like a film on then? Sorry, but every "first" movie has to introduce it's characters and EVERY film has to have convincing roles and dialogue for it to be even remotely good.
Oh, come on now. This is a GODZILLA forum, we like GODZILLA movies. We have no real sense of those things.:p

BTW I am neither for or against these movies cause that's all they are, movies. I could care less. It's his franchise let him do whatever.

[Gorjirus]

^Agreed Saruman. I refuse to buy the new DVD set coming out. I was stupid enough to buy the "new" "original" triology when it came out on VHS. That was because I didn't realize all that GL had changed. I would love to see the ORIGINAL Triology out on DVD, so I could show the coming generations what true Star Wars movies are like.

[Saruman]

Oh, come on now. This is a GODZILLA forum, we like GODZILLA movies. We have no real sense of those things.:p So you don't expect those things from a Godzilla movie? That IMO is pretty sad. I expect that from every movie, it does not matter what TYPE of movie it is, even Kaiju films. Just because you become accustomed to certain types of movies being subpar, that does not mean that you should have to just blindly accept that, instead you should be expecting them to be better.

BTW I am neither for or against these movies cause that's all they are, movies. I could care less. It's his franchise let him do whatever.Yes it is GL's franchise, but he wouldn't have any franchise if it wasn't for the fans that supported the original trilogy and bought all the toys and other merchandise now would he?

[Baryonyx13]

I was tryin to be funny, look at the :p face I used.

[anguirus55]

Was that even necessary? Rodan, Messenger of the Skies enjoys the prequels, there's really nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, they're only movies.


Rodan was beating a hornet's nest with a stick. By this I mean he was INTENTIONALLY provocative. While I respectfully disagree with Morgoth on the quality of the SW prequels, he has supported his opinion well and if I were him I'd have responded the same way to Rodan.

Yes it is GL's franchise, but he wouldn't have any franchise if it wasn't for the fans that supported the original trilogy and bought all the toys and other merchandise now would he?

I agree wholeheartedly. ***** is just being a prick by not releasing the OT to DVD. And I say this from the point of view of someone who enjoyed 99.9% of the Special Editions! I plan to buy the SW DVD sets regardless (the documentaries and commentaries alone should be worth it) but I am seriously considering dusting off my old THX video copies of the OT (the last time it was released in any form, shamefully) and getting them transferred to DVD (and if anyone has information/advice on how best to do this/have it done, please PM me).

[Saruman]

I was tryin to be funny, look at the :p face I used.
I know that, but it still brought up the issue that we as fans tend to expect certain types of movies to be subpar and that seems to make it ok if they are. When the reality is that we should be expecting these films to be just as good as any other film out there.

[Rodan, Messenger of the Skies]

SW is despised and loathed

Uh, you only mean the prequels, right?

toward these fools

That was directed at me, correct?

pinnacles of film-making

Never said that.

low standards for their entertainment

Megalon...Son of Godzilla...Godzilla's Revenge...Yonggary...do I need go on?

so why do you even like this movie?

It may not be on par with the originals, but it's still Star Wars.

put down for criteria

Not my film criteria.

So I was never a "True" SW fan then? I can put money on it that I was a bigger SW fan than you could ever imagine yourself to be. Did you have every single SW toy ever made for the first 3 movies? I DID, that includes extremely rare variants as well. Were you ever a member of the SW Fan Club? I WAS. Did you ever own any of the Original Movie Posters? I DID. No I guess I wasn't a "True" fan by your standards. I just grew up with SW and it was the center of my entire childhood. I had just about everything that you could ever want as a SW fan, a collection of SW stuff that even my Godzilla and Comicbook collection together couldn't even come remotely close to in size or scope and both of those are pretty large. So before you tell someone they are not a "True" fan if they dont like the Prequels, you might want to think about what I just said.

You sure are confident that you're a bigger fan than me. Every toy? Yes. Fan club? Yes. Posters? YES. I also grew up with SW and it WAS the center of my childhood. I loved it, love it, and will always love it. I already know I am obsessed with Star Wars.

The SW Prequels were made by the SAME PERSON that not only made the original trilogy, but who went back and altered the original trilogy which also ruined that IMO. GL has destroyed what he originally created and so many people grew up on. That is the difference between what GL has done with the Prequels and what D&E did to Godzilla. It's one thing to destroy someone elses work, but when you destroy your own that is just magnitudes worse.

I realize that. That's why I don't own any of the alterations. I realize that he did ruin the franchise, but I personally think he has some sort of thing to work out. He had this whole fantasy planned out, couldn't perfectly realize it onto film (no CGI or extremely well-done costumes for some things), then alters them to the extreme, blindly. I've seen a picture from the updated SW DVDs where he put Hayden as Anakin's spirit in RotJ. That's horrible, and doesn't make any sense for that matter.

So as a "loyal" fan we should just throw our money away simply because GL wants to put out another crappy movie?

I bet spending $2-10 dollars is a real waste. -_- Don't you want some kind of closure? Don't you even want to SEE how he becomes Vader? We haven't seen Vader on-screen for decades, and now, when it's so close, you're not gonna do it? Even if I absolutely loathed the prequels, I'd still see it for Vader.

would love to see the ORIGINAL Triology out on DVD

It's REALLY hard to get DVD-Rs of them, isn't it? -_- THX. THX. THX.

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All in all, regardless of how much we care/don't care for SW, you have to remember that they're just movies. I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend my time NOT arguing and fighting about MOVIES. It's pointless. And that's just what I'm going to do. Don't respond to my posts in here anymore, as I'm not looking back in this thread.

I hope we can put our opinions aside and let this go.

I was in a rather bad mood yesterday. I was overly critical and I bet I would've responded differently had I been in a good, clear mood. Excuse me.

[Gorjirus]

would love to see the ORIGINAL Triology out on DVD

It's REALLY hard to get DVD-Rs of them, isn't it? -_- THX. THX. THX.


Well, gee. I would love to show any children I might have REAL copies of them, not some fake, copied VHS versions. To show that GL actually CARED about the fans enough to do something that they have asked for repeatedly.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Well, gee. I would love to show any children I might have REAL copies of them, not some fake, copied VHS versions. To show that GL actually CARED about the fans enough to do something that they have asked for repeatedly.I am kind of confused... I don't get why he doesn't release the original versions, if the fans want it so bad...

[Gorjirus]

I don't know. That is part of the reason that some fans (including myself) are angry at GL for what he has done to the franchise. He has forgotten the ones that put him in the position he is in, the FANS. If he wants to show the "Special Edition" triology, that is fine. But make the Original available as well. But for some reason, he ignores us.

[Jet Jaguar]

it's not about the fans
Never has been
***** cares only for his ever-changing "vision"
and
The Bottom line

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Gorjirus]

Even though he would most likely make a whole lot more money if he released both versions of the triology. But the "Vision" is what keeps him from it. How stupid is that? His two main thing (as correctly stated by JJ) actually can cancel each other out.

[Jet Jaguar]

Good thinking
I think he gave up Art for Commerce a looong time ago in a galaxy far far away

[baragon2005]

I am kind of confused... I don't get why he doesn't release the original versions, if the fans want it so bad...
Because ***** is a stuck up son of a ***** who only cares about getting more money for some more hamburgers from Burger King.

Oh, excuse me. I meant Wendy's.








:baragon:

[Morgoth]

Two things: first, I already have closure with regards to SW - it is DEAD. That, for me is closure, having nothing to do with the damn shambling obscenity anymore. Thanks ***** for annihilating many fond childhood memories as throughly as a pack of dingos in a nursery.

Second, after reading Jeff's astonishing tirade above, I have to say that he is now my god. I never knew that he was as much, if not an even bigger Star Wars fan as myself and Brandon were back in the day. Much of what he says parralels my experience exactly and, of course, he comes back to the same conclusion. We've been betrayed at every turn by this idiot, it's time to stop inflating his pomposity and arrogance with box office dollars. He doesn't care about what he created, so why should anyone else?

[Angiru-San]

I can defenetly understand where you guys are coming from, but I still am an avid Star Wars fan. They may not be as good as the original, but only once in a while do you get something that could even remotely compare to the first trilogy. Those were true works of art. These are Good films.....big difference, but that doesnt change the fact that I like the current trilogy either. I dont see how it has ruined the franchise...its just changed it. And maybe some dont like the change, but others do. But I just dont understand how you could let go of something as wonderful as the first....just because of some screw ups *COUGH* Jar Jar Binks *COUGH*

[Cole Deschain]

I only got a small gripe with Jar-Jar.

It's those :cursing: Medichlorians that sealed the deal for me.

[Angiru-San]

I only got a small gripe with Jar-Jar.

It's those :cursing: Medichlorians that sealed the deal for me.


Yah know, I never got that either.....

they totally took the fun out of the MYSTICAL AND MEZMERIZING force that is ....THE FORCE


Gee, thanks Cole, haha I never thought to hard on that one before

[Morgoth]

Having just seen 'Gangster No. 1' again, I have come to the conclusion that the way the gangster Lenny gets offed in that film might be a fitting end for a certain persona we've been discussing.

'Hatchet. Machete. Chisel. Tools. Gun. I'm ten feet tall. Superman. King ****ing Kong. Hello Lenny, you ponce.'

[Kaiju_Sensai]

I actually like the old Rise of the Empire title better.

[The Cerebral Assassin]

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1437&sid=5b04a5e32555066da3660ed0f0c0eee4

He's baaaaaaaack.

And before you say he looks small keep in mind that the pictures have been stretched from their original 16x9 aspect ratio.

[Gorjirus]

Yeah. And what proof do we have that it is real?

What am I talking about? I will most likely only see it after it comes out on dvd or vhs...

[Metal Zombie]

First off, that pic seems fake, IMO.

Second, what's a Star Wars forum doing with those 4 Led Zepplin symbols?

[MasteroftheSwarm]

I smell a fraud...

Oh wait, nvm, I'm just too close to the G:FW boards.

[Baryonyx13]

I smell a fraud...

Oh wait, nvm, I'm just too close to the G:FW boards.
Haha, truly, a funny joke there. :laugh:

[anguirus55]

ZING!

Anyway, I'm encouraged. I thought for a second there that ***** would redesign Vader somehow...but that's him, that's DARTH VADER, he's REALLY THERE, and I would go see Ep. III for thet last ten minutes ALONE.

Oh, and on that message board check out "Benovite's" avatar. Priceless.

[Gorjirus]

Isn't it humoruos that we are here commenting about one site, when there is most likely someone doing the same to us?

(I mean, just think of what might happen if people came from other sites here for information on G:FW?)

[Jet Jaguar]

Just a thought
With REVENGE OF THE SITH, the acronym will be
ROTS
Star Wars EpIII:ROTS


think about it

[Goji Son]

ehhh hehehehehehe... I get it... ZING! It might be a sign for what's to come.

[Shin lvl2 Goji]

Just a thought
With REVENGE OF THE SITH, the acronym will be
ROTS
Star Wars EpIII:ROTS


think about it :laugh: I guess the new trilogy does have some symbolism in it afterall.

[Morgoth]

I don't think I've ever seen anything more fitting in all me days! :laugh:

[The Cerebral Assassin]

Just a thought
With REVENGE OF THE SITH, the acronym will be
ROTS
Star Wars EpIII:ROTS


think about it

I don't get it.

:(

[Melkor]

^ Rots= rotten, rotten= a decaying carcass, therefore Star Wars= a decaying carcass

Anyway, I think no one could have stated it better than Jet Jaguar. Lol. With all this hoopla surrounding the new title, I'm surprised no one commented on it, until now! :laugh: :intears:



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Jet Jaguar]

Thanks guys
Just doing my part for ***** fandom!
;)

[Husnock]

Just a thought
With REVENGE OF THE SITH, the acronym will be
ROTS
Star Wars EpIII:ROTS


think about itIt is a better title than Rise of the Empire! :laugh:

[darth254]

I never thought that the PT was that bad. I mean, it was definitely not on par with the original trilogy but to make movies of that caliber....yikes. I can see how Jar Jar Binks, overusage of CGI, and enough poor acting here and there to make people turn away but still.... Even with these and an aim towards a younger audience, I don't know why you guys hate it with a passion. Anyhow, I just wanted to say that I found the prequels not perfect, but generally good.

[Saruman]

Second, after reading Jeff's astonishing tirade above, I have to say that he is now my god.
How did I miss this, but it's good to see that you have finally come to realize this. :darklord:

I never knew that he was as much, if not an even bigger Star Wars fan as myself and Brandon were back in the day. Much of what he says parralels my experience exactly and, of course, he comes back to the same conclusion. We've been betrayed at every turn by this idiot, it's time to stop inflating his pomposity and arrogance with box office dollars. He doesn't care about what he created, so why should anyone else?
Oh man, you can't even imagine the SW collection that I had, it really was even more vast then I can recall. On top of all the toys and stuff I already mentioned, I also had complete sets of ALL the trading cards, the entire run of Marvel Comics SW series, including both versions of issue #1, Giant Size comics which were like 1' x 2', and it just goes on and on. Some of the stuff that I look back on now I wonder why the hell I ever got it in the first place because some of the things were just really stupid items. But luckily I don't have to worry about all that anymore since I sold off almost everything well before the Prequas came and dropped the value on alot of that stuff. Though I still wish I had my AT-AT, that more than anything was my favorite toy. There really wasn't another SW toy that even compared to it, it was just so cool. Even the RC SandCrawler wasn't as cool as the AT-AT IMO.

[Goji Son]

Man... what a loser...

[Saruman]

Even with these and an aim towards a younger audience, I don't know why you guys hate it with a passion.
I am going to assume that you aren't very old, maybe late teens at the most?
I guess it’s harder for younger people to understand how we feel about SW and why. Through the late 80's till present, kids really didn't have that ONE defining toy line to hook onto. It seems like every year there is a "new" fad and last years stuff is no longer cool or really wanted. Fad's for kids just change so rapidly now it isn't even funny.

When I was growing up, we really only had 2 or 3 "SERIOUS" toy lines that kids could latch onto, those being Star Wars, GI Joe (another huge collection I had) and I would probably say Transformers was the other one, though that came later than the other two. These were the things that kids talked about constantly for years and years. These weren’t fads that simply faded like most of today’s toy lines do, these were a way of life for kids and everyone no matter who it was, was into it or talked about it. Kids who I would really never associated with; I could sit down with and talk to about SW or GI Joe for hours on end. We also didn’t have Video Games to keep us inside all day, we wanted to be outside playing with our SW and GI Joe toys with other kids, and you don’t see that in today’s kids. This was a "culture" unto itself and it didn’t matter if you were one of the "cool" kids or one of the "nerds," you could have fun with it with everyone as it broke all boundaries. And the thing that really set it apart from other similar type things is that it wasn’t just restricted to kids, it carried over into your teens and into adulthood. I don’t know anyone that was ever made fun of for still collecting SW toys in high school, everyone understood it and most still had their toys even if they didn’t collect them anymore, hell a lot of teens had them sitting out on display to some extent in their rooms.

But now, with the prequals, GL is changing so much stuff that he laid down with the original trilogy it isn’t even funny. He’s taken the "Force" from something almost spiritual and reduced it to something that is based on how many of a certain cell you have in your body? The Jedi and Sith are now nothing more than glorified Marvel Mutants, there is really nothing special about them in the least, hell Jean Grey could kick any Jedi or Siths *** all over the universe. He’s taken Boba Fett and reduced him to nothing more than a CLONE? This is supposed to be the baddest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy and he’s now a damn clone, way to demolish that character. Anakin built 3PO as a kid? Can we get any lamer than that? Then we have the "New" enhanced original trilogy. Oh how many ways to ruin these films. Lets throw Jaba into the original SW movie and make him slither along with Han, who he has a bounty out on. Lets change the bar scene so that Greedo shoots at Han first, and he freaking misses? There only sitting across the table from each other how the hell is anyone gonna miss that shot, especially a bounty hunter, no matter how bad of one you are? It’s stupid stuff like this that has made a large number of LONGTIME SW fans really come to despise GL and everything he has done. Then on top of it all, when the fans requested that he make the original trilogy available on DVD along with the enhanced versions, he tells us NO because they aren’t the films he envisioned and that the prequals are the only ones he’s going to put on DVD. Nice way to treat the fans that have made him what he is today wouldn’t you say?

I don’t know if that will make any sense to you or anyone else as it’s something that is just so extremely difficult to describe. But hopefully it will give you a slight understanding of the way people like myself, Clint, Brandon and lots of other older SW fans feel.

[Cole Deschain]

^ Amen.

(Let's pad our posts!)

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I am going to assume that you aren't very old, maybe late teens at the most?
I guess it’s harder for younger people to understand how we feel about SW and why. Through the late 80's till present, kids really didn't have that ONE defining toy line to hook onto. It seems like every year there is a "new" fad and last years stuff is no longer cool or really wanted. Fad's for kids just change so rapidly now it isn't even funny.

When I was growing up, we really only had 2 or 3 "SERIOUS" toy lines that kids could latch onto, those being Star Wars, GI Joe (another huge collection I had) and I would probably say Transformers was the other one, though that came later than the other two. These were the things that kids talked about constantly for years and years. These weren’t fads that simply faded like most of today’s toy lines do, these were a way of life for kids and everyone no matter who it was, was into it or talked about it. Kids who I would really never associated with; I could sit down with and talk to about SW or GI Joe for hours on end. We also didn’t have Video Games to keep us inside all day, we wanted to be outside playing with our SW and GI Joe toys with other kids, and you don’t see that in today’s kids. This was a "culture" unto itself and it didn’t matter if you were one of the "cool" kids or one of the "nerds," you could have fun with it with everyone as it broke all boundaries. And the thing that really set it apart from other similar type things is that it wasn’t just restricted to kids, it carried over into your teens and into adulthood. I don’t know anyone that was ever made fun of for still collecting SW toys in high school, everyone understood it and most still had their toys even if they didn’t collect them anymore, hell a lot of teens had them sitting out on display to some extent in their rooms.

But now, with the prequals, GL is changing so much stuff that he laid down with the original trilogy it isn’t even funny. He’s taken the "Force" from something almost spiritual and reduced it to something that is based on how many of a certain cell you have in your body? The Jedi and Sith are now nothing more than glorified Marvel Mutants, there is really nothing special about them in the least, hell Jean Grey could kick any Jedi or Siths *** all over the universe. He’s taken Boba Fett and reduced him to nothing more than a CLONE? This is supposed to be the baddest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy and he’s now a damn clone, way to demolish that character. Anakin built 3PO as a kid? Can we get any lamer than that? Then we have the "New" enhanced original trilogy. Oh how many ways to ruin these films. Lets throw Jaba into the original SW movie and make him slither along with Han, who he has a bounty out on. Lets change the bar scene so that Greedo shoots at Han first, and he freaking misses? There only sitting across the table from each other how the hell is anyone gonna miss that shot, especially a bounty hunter, no matter how bad of one you are? It’s stupid stuff like this that has made a large number of LONGTIME SW fans really come to despise GL and everything he has done. Then on top of it all, when the fans requested that he make the original trilogy available on DVD along with the enhanced versions, he tells us NO because they aren’t the films he envisioned and that the prequals are the only ones he’s going to put on DVD. Nice way to treat the fans that have made him what he is today wouldn’t you say?

I don’t know if that will make any sense to you or anyone else as it’s something that is just so extremely difficult to describe. But hopefully it will give you a slight understanding of the way people like myself, Clint, Brandon and lots of other older SW fans feel.I understand how you guys feel, but sometimes I think you over do it just a little much. Just remember: They are only films. I've seen a lot of hatred spawned posts concerning Star Wars, and it just seems pointless. If they it doesn't appeal to you (people in general) just don't pay any attention to it.

[Father Estaban Cortez]

Saruman not to criticise you but your WAY to serious about it, there only movies. Im only 14 and I used to have star wars toys that lined my shelf. Star Wars is a major part of my life to but damn. Yeah yeah you emphasize that young people dont understand as much but hey I saw Star Wars when I was 4

[Melkor]

^ You saw it in 1994. Jeff saw it in 1977. He saw it in the big screen, was enthralled, and since then amassed a huge toy collection of it. Same with Clint and Brandon. It's the same principle as watching, oh say, 'Return of the King' on TV while it's being shown in theaters. It's an 'experience', so to say. And to have that 'experience' ruined by a filthy 're-imagining' [ The Special Editions and the preceeding prequels ] is just wrong, imo.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Saruman]

I understand how you guys feel, but sometimes I think you over do it just a little much. Just remember: They are only films. I've seen a lot of hatred spawned posts concerning Star Wars, and it just seems pointless. If they it doesn't appeal to you (people in general) just don't pay any attention to it.
And I don't have the right to feel the way I do with what GL has done to SW?

It's true they are only films, BUT the films, toys, cards, posters, books, lunchboxes, cups, pens/pencils, toothbrush, comb/brush, shirts, hats, backpacks, comics, CD’s, VHS tapes and any number of other merchandise that has had so much money spent on it, makes it SO MUCH MORE than JUST a film. The thousand's of dollars that my parents/family spent on SW stuff for me and many many parents did for their kids gives us that right.

As I said above, your allot younger than us and you grew up in a different time, and you don't have anything in your childhood that can even come remotely close to making you understand how SW impacted the kids of my generation. You look at it and see just a bunch of movies because that is the way things are now. But back in the 70's & early 80's SW was just so much more than just a movie. This is something that literally took on a life of its own. There is no other fandom that can even come close to experiencing what SW achieved, not even Star Trek has had as big of an impact or influence on kids. SW is on a whole other level of fandom all by itself; well it was until GL decided to systematically destroy it.

It's simply one of those things that will almost certainly never happen again, and if you weren't there to experience it first hand as it evolved and grew, then you simply will never fully beable to understand how someone like myself or Clint feels, there is simply nothing else to compare it to.

[Cole Deschain]

Born in 1981.
I still remember seeing "Return of the Jedi" in the theatres... Of course, I missed "A New Hope," and I was awfully young for "The Empire Strikes Back," but the Rancor just about sold me...

I rented 'em on VHS.

Loved 'em.

Heard He Who Is Not To Be Named was going to "improve" them... and I admit I was intrigued. Once again, I began with the end... "Return of the Jedi." And there was a beak in my Sarlacc pit. I became suspicious.

I saw "A New Hope." Greedo shoots first. One of the all-time greatest, "poor sap never knew what hit him" moments ruined.

And then came "Phantom Menace."

And ol' King Cole was not a merry soul.

[Zigra]

I may not be the huge Star Wars fan that Jeff, Clint, and Brandon are, but I definetly understand how they feel, as the same thing nearly happened to me with a different genre.

I may have said this before around here, but after crap like "Godzilla 2000" and GMK (yeah, you heard me on that last one; my opinion on GMK should be a matter of record by now) and the overall direction Toho took Godzilla movies in, I came dangerously close to losing my intrest in kaiju films. As far as I saw it (and in many ways still see it), Godzilla died back in '95 and was gone forever. Luckily for me, there were other things that allowed me to keep intrest in the genre, like Morgoth's New Era stories (you're a life-saver, Clint, whether you think so or not;) ).

So, yeah, I understand what these guys are going through. What makes it even worse for them is that the very man who created the series and made them fall in love with it in the first place is the same man who's trashing it now. I, at least, could take solace in the fact that Ishiro Honda himself was not the one who trashed the kaiju film genre.

[Saruman]

Saruman not to criticise you but your WAY to serious about it, there only movies. Im only 14 and I used to have star wars toys that lined my shelf. Star Wars is a major part of my life to but damn. Yeah yeah you emphasize that young people dont understand as much but hey I saw Star Wars when I was 4You can read my reply to Lord K's post above.

As Melkor pointed out, the movie you saw in theaters WAS NOT the same movie I saw in theaters. There is also a span of 17 years difference in there, movies had evolved quite allot during that time so the impact of the movie you saw simply was not anything special to you.

See you're looking at them as just movies, which is how everyone looks at movies today. But back when SW first came out it literally changed people, SW was a part of you. You look up at the screen and see characters that are no big deal, we look up at the screen and see friends. SW became more than just a movie, it crossed boundaries that no movie has ever done before or since, and will almost certainly never happen again.

It is this aspect of SW that you and others like you will simply never beable to understand. If you weren't there for it the very first time, then you just can't comprehend it. That isn't your fault, your just growing up in a different time where something like SW can never happen.

[Father Estaban Cortez]

I didnt think about that im sorry I forgot that you guys saw the original. Oh and yes I think that the "Editions" were f-in cheesy.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

And I don't have the right to feel the way I do with what GL has done to SW?I never said you didn't have the right to feel how you do, I was merely saying if the films are that bad why not ignore them completely?

You can read my reply to Lord K's post above.

As Melkor pointed out, the movie you saw in theaters WAS NOT the same movie I saw in theaters. There is also a span of 17 years difference in there, movies had evolved quite allot during that time so the impact of the movie you saw simply was not anything special to you.

See you're looking at them as just movies, which is how everyone looks at movies today. But back when SW first came out it literally changed people, SW was a part of you. You look up at the screen and see characters that are no big deal, we look up at the screen and see friends. SW became more than just a movie, it crossed boundaries that no movie has ever done before or since, and will almost certainly never happen again.

It is this aspect of SW that you and others like you will simply never beable to understand. If you weren't there for it the very first time, then you just can't comprehend it. That isn't your fault, your just growing up in a different time where something like SW can never happen.

[Father Estaban Cortez]

LK has a point. Star Wars episode 1, what made it great was the introduction of the double headed lightsabre. Star Wars episode 2, what made it suck, love story. Episode 2 was garbage, what were they thinking?

[Cole Deschain]

Star Wars episode 1, what made it great was the introduction of the double headed lightsabre.

...

hardly consider one idiotic, impractical weapon atonement for the rest of the movie.

[kent]

While I'm not much of a Star Wars fan, I do like the older films much better than the newer ones. Although the only good, that I think, came out of the newer films was Darth Maul. God I loved that guy! Too bad he didn't get much screen time. Anyways, I haven't sat down and watched either of the three SE films in their entirety as well.
But I have to somewhat disagree with Saruman with him saying that today's generation just looks at movies and just sees them as movies. I do agree though that times have drastically changed in twenty years. Computers are now one of the main sources for entertainment and so are high-powered video game systems. Today's kids and teens don't read much as I my generation did and generations before me.
Although to prove my point to Saruman that most of us don't see movies as just movies, I am going to name a movie that changed my life forever and introduced one of my favorite hobbies and reintroduced past generations to the greatness of this genre. I am talking about Batman. Tim Burton's Batman came out in 1989. I was just 5 years old but knew who Batman was. I had seen the old 60s TV show and got interested in Batman. But Tim Burton's Batman really put me over the top as a die-hard Batman fan. I also had many friends that got into Batman because of the film. Also, the film brought out fans from long ago and renewed them with the beloved franchise. Many things Batman were made: Toys, comic books that took the turn of the film, lunchboxes, books, video games, apparel, etc. Batman became big again. Warner Bros. also had a new animated TV show that came out in 1992 or 1993 and ran for many years after. Even today, many things Batman are made, but not in the quantities they used to be back when a Batman film came out or when the animated series was still on TV. Today, you have many Batman fan sites and people hold special Batman conventions across the country. Batman would not be as big today if it weren't for Tim Burton reintroducing Batman to the world. Batman was also a very big thing for me and many other people in my generation because of that film. That film changed me forever and introduced me in the way Batman actually was and made me a die-hard Batman fan forever!

[Goji Son]

I think Jeff is talking about our youth today, Batman and such was late 80s early nineties, he is talking about the new generation.

My big things in life when I was a youth was Batman, Ninja Turtles, Star Wars, and Jurassic Park and much like Jeff I saw them all as a way of life to me. Kids my age grew up along side the video game revolution so in our later years that what we used to occupy are time. Were sort of a hybrid of old and new in that retrospect. But todays youth has it all, video games, new it toy every Christmas. Times have already drastically changed in just a decade to where we are now.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I think Jeff is talking about our youth today, Batman and such was late 80s early nineties, he is talking about the new generation.

My big things in life when I was a youth was Batman, Ninja Turtles, Star Wars, and Jurassic Park and much like Jeff I saw them all as a way of life to me. Kids my age grew up along side the video game revolution so in our later years that what we used to occupy are time. Were sort of a hybrid of old and new in that retrospect. But todays youth has it all, video games, new it toy every Christmas. Times have already drastically changed in just a decade to where we are now.Well, I am (sadly and unfortunately) apart of this... new generation. But there was something that had a major impact on life, in a similar way to Star Wars and Jeff, and Batman and Kent. Godzilla, the wonderful world of Toho Eiga and... THE TRANSFORMERS. :cool: Just as Jeff said he saw friends on screen, not just another cast of actors well it's the same for these classic characters that I know. Well, I can't speak for the rest of today's youthful generation, I know that a lot of 'em suck. That's for sure (not targeting anyone at this board, moreso people I know in reality).

[HolyGoji777]

while i never saw the originals in theatres i developed a love for the movies over time. i was born in 1985 so it was a bit late. but i got all the novels, collected the star wars ccg and all kinds of crap. i loved star wars. the special edition didnt bother me too much...i kind of liked a few of the things in it. but then again i was born after the originals so...

then there was the phantom menace.

the reason why my now dusty sw ccg collection sits in my closet. the reason why i dont EVER watch the original films. medichlorians? what kind of crap is that? and the double bladed lightsaber was NOT a new idea...some jedi had one in the novels years ago.

did i not hear in the empire strikes back "luke go to dagobah..there you will meet yoda the jedi master who instructed me." who the hell is qui gon jin?

or how about boba fett? jango fett my ***. boba's real name was jasper mereel. that is until they prequels changed everything.

ive made my point.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I never said you didn't have the right to feel how you do, I was merely saying if the films are that bad why not ignore them completely?
This will be faster than editing so: Then again, I guess what I never realized was that it would be hard to completely ignore it, wouldn't it due to the major impact it had on your life. That's what I failed to.. see.

My eyes aren't closed anymore.

[Jet Jaguar]

Suffice it to say that George ***** has spoiled what once was.....

[Morgoth]

I think even Batman did not have quite the impact Star Wars did back in the day. Remember, Batman, while a great film that helped invigorate the comic industry for many years before greed caused it to reach a critical mass and explode in everyone's face, was not quite what Star Wars was. Look at sci-fi BEFORE Star Wars. While there were some great films, they were never quite so ambitious as Star Wars and almost always relegated to b-status budgets. The early Planet of the Apes films are about the only exception to this rule I can think of.

The sheer level of Star Wars had never been attempted before with so many starships, weird creatures, robots etc. There quite simply was not anything like it. Seeing it on the big screen was something magical, ***** managed to mix all the right elements he lifted from Japanese cinema into something really special, something that touched not merely kids but adults too in a way movies never had before. I can still remember my father subscribing to Bantha Tracks, the old SW newsletter to get all the info he could about the upcoming films and developments in the storyline. I can remember a SW comic strip running in newspapers, picking up comic books and trading cards, and of course the hordes of SW figures and toys which dominated until the advent of 3 3/4" G> I> JOe soldiers. There quite simply had never been anything like it before, and it really transformed alot of kids' childhoods back then. Alot of what Jeff says is spot on with my own experiences.

Now, sci-fi is no longer the red-headed stepchild of cinema, where studios throw a pathetic amount at the budget and sneak the end product into theatres quietly and without much fanfare. Sci-fi is now the genre of the blockbuster, the prestige picture, the summer mega-hit. Studios now put more investment in sci-fi than they do any other genre (even if I'd prefer more of that budget went into competent writing than special effects, but I digress). And Sci-fi is a genre that is no longer relegated to geeks, freaks and teenagers looking to scare their girlfriends - sci-fi is mainstream. All of this can be laid at the door of Star Wars and the huge cultural impact it had in the 1970's. A legacy now tainted by the crimes perpetrated upon it by the very man who set the ball in motion. If you'd told me in 1997 that I'd be feeling like this, I'd have said you were crazy. But you would have been hideously, horribly, right.

[Tomzilla]

Wow, I just don't know what to say. I never had a huge collection of things that I was just obsessed over...only thing that comes remotely close would be Godzilla. But that was about 8 years ago when I stopped collecting toys and anything else, where I just settled for the movies.

But I feel sorry for you guys. Truth is, I'm not a huge Star Wars (was about to put "StarCraft") fan. I of course admire the original three and consider them superior than the prequels. Since in my opinion, I prefer movies that actually have things that are there, not some movie that is 80% computer generated. Problem with movies in my opinion, too much CGI but oh well, it is inevitable and will continue to happen...

I guess I was born too late to truly relate to you guys. In my opinion, buying everything about a certain series, popular or not, is just pointless in the long run...but that's because of the generation I was born in. Jeff already mentioned that Star Wars back then was something everyone can relate to and understand. Today, if someone found out you collect Godzilla, Ultraman or Power Ranger toys, you'll be made fun of for years to come (not that I care ;)). Ahhhh...well, I probably will never know just how you guys feel about this issue. How you were betrayed...

No wonder why Clint, Jeff and Brandon have a hatred towards GINO. GINO is to the Godzilla series that the new prequels are to the original Star Wars movies. Go figure.

[Darth Gigan]

Myself, being a SW fan, I no-longer have faith in George to be able to revive the trilogy, because George is a money grubing prick, it's one thing if he ruins the PT but another if he adds bad memories into the new OT DVDs IE Temura Morrison voicing Boba in ESB and replacing the old Anakin with that pathetic ******* Hayden. Guh...

[Husnock]

I was born in '87, tragically too late to make even RotJ in theatres. Thus, I doubt that my fandom of SW, no matter how large I believe it to be, comes close to what folks like Jeff, Clint, and Brandon experienced. But it didn't matter. As soon as I saw ANH on the TV screen for the first time when I can't even remember how old I was, I knew I was hooked. SW was all that mattered to me anymore. I bought every figure, every book, every pack of trading cards I could get my greedy little hands on.


In particular, I loved, loved, loved the books. I even collected all the RPG supplements even though that, to this day, I have never, ever, ever played the SWRPG. Ever. Nor did I intend to, because tabletop RPGs, well, just aren't my thing (no offense to those who it is). Guess what? I collected them anyways. My favorites had to be the Art of Star Wars books, due to my odd obsession with concept art. I just have this weird quirk about me where I love seeing "what could've been," how things in the movie could've turned out to be. I also loved my Essential Guides (anyone remember those?;) ), in particular, the Vehicles and Vessels edition, despite all it's manymanymany shortcomings (the SSD's 18 kilometers, damnit!). I also collected the various novels (none of them ever beat the Thrawn Trilogy though, and the NJO just plain sucks), and of course the comics (not the Marvel ones, as I strangely wasn't aware of them at the time).

My greatest love of the SW series has to be the ships, sometimes even moreso than the characters. I loved them all, and to this day can name every single one of 'em off the back of my hand. My "first true loves" were the almighty and imposing Imperator-Class Star Destroyers (that's Imperator, not Imperial, which is a misnomer on Hasbros' part), relentlessly tailing (and damn were they fast for ships that size...) the Millenium Falcon in Tatooine's upper orbit.

When I first got ahold of access to the 'net, guess what my favorite subject of search was. My bookmarks were filled with absolutely nothing but Star Wars sites, from the Completely Unofficial Encyclopedia to the Imperial Navy Defense Network (a top-notch 3D modeling site if there ever was one), and my absolute favorite, the Star Wars Technical Commentaries. This was simply the be-all end-all coolest SW site there ever was. The guy devoted all his time to breaking down everything that could be broken down on the SW Universe. There was nothing scientifically involved (in some way) you couldn't find on that site. When I found it, he was in the process of plotting the locations of every object on the Executor's hull that could've been a weapons emplacement of some sort. He to this day is still cataloging every Imperial capital ship that has every appeared in any movie, book, comic, video game, and anything else you can think of. Not to mention his various observations on humanoids in the SW Universe, the biology of the Mon Calamari, Jabba the Hutt's various decorations, and the list goes on.

I remember, just before the Prequels, I was working on what I considered to be my "ultimate contribution to Star Wars fandom." It was a fanfic. A gigantic fanfic, going into the deepest, darkest history of the Star Wars galaxy, and alot of it was based off of premises theorised on, of course, the SWTC. Namely, the idea of some sort of more primitive form of interstellar travel before the Corellians came up with hyperdrives, and the idea of humanity, mysteriously widespread as it is, being "exported" from our own galaxy to theirs by an unknown intelligence. A sort of "Silmarillion of Star Wars," if you will. I even have a sketchbook full to the brim with drawings for ships for this new era I wanted to explore, including countless ideas for ships using the aforementioned more primitive forms of lightspeed travel before hyperspace (though I never settled on which idea I wanted to use), and my personal favorite, a collection of sketches for what I thought the very first Corellian hyperspace-capable starship would've looked like. Granted, I was no H.R. Giger (God bless his poor, tormented soul), so these weren't the best of pieces.

What happened to all of this, you may ask? Why, the Prequels of course. The only aspect of them I can't have contempt for are the ships (CGI, bad movie or no, I could never bring myself to hate a Star Wars ship, and I still cherish my Acclamators deeply), but the rest could all rot in Hell with GL himself. The poor characters, the CGI, the bad writing, the destruction of beloved classic aspects of the original trilogy (add the Death Star to Jeff's long list of such things), the list goes on forever and ever.

So, yeah, I understand what these guys are going through. What makes it even worse for them is that the very man who created the series and made them fall in love with it in the first place is the same man who's trashing it now. I, at least, could take solace in the fact that Ishiro Honda himself was not the one who trashed the kaiju film genre.Once again, Zigra, it's not quite the same thing, but you already cited that.;) And well said, anyways.

tar Wars episode 1, what made it great was the introduction of the double headed lightsabre.Nope, sorry, but the Double-Bladed Lightsaber was around long before the Prequels. It first showed up in the Tales of the Jedi comics as Exar Kun's signature weapon of choice.

...

hardly consider one idiotic, impractical weapon atonement for the rest of the movie.While I agree with you that it's not enough to make up for the movie itself, the Double-Bladed Lightsaber is actually a very potent and deadly weapon when you think about it. You just have to know how to use it right. And I can think up far more impractical weapons in Star Wars history. The Sun Crusher, for example. The ship that the Empire built solely to prove that they could, and nothing more. Not to mention being one of the goofiest of all designs (but that's really more of an endearing feature than a repelling one, at least I find ;) ).

[Saruman]

Husnock wrote:
My favorites had to be the Art of Star Wars books, due to my odd obsession with concept art.

I can easily agree with you on this. These were simply awesome and has probably been the reason that I love concept art to this day. One of the main reasons I buy so many Kaiju books is simply to find more and more concept art. There is just something about seeing what "might have been" that is really enticing.

[HolyGoji777]

Nope, sorry, but the Double-Bladed Lightsaber was around long before the Prequels. It first showed up in the Tales of the Jedi comics as Exar Kun's signature weapon of choice.
thanx man i was trying to remember what jedi darth maul ripped off.

[darth254]

Now come on, you guys can't hate Count Dooku......

I must admit I have trouble associating with the contempt you guys are feeling, but I can see where you are coming from. So do you hate it enough that you will skip Episode III?

[MouthForWar]

I'm so scared to see Episode 3. The first 2 were terrible. I wish they just would have left it at the original trilogy and that's it! None of this stupid computer generated cartoon looking digital crap and terrible script writing. I can't take it! At least Sam Jackson will be in it

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I'm so scared to see Episode 3. The first 2 were terrible. I wish they just would have left it at the original trilogy and that's it! None of this stupid computer generated cartoon looking digital crap and terrible script writing. I can't take it! At least Sam Jackson will be in itI wish George decided to make sequels instead. :cry: I wanted to see Shadows of the Empire.

[Husnock]

thanx man i was trying to remember what jedi darth maul ripped off.Heh, I love how ***** is pledging this "complete and total disassociation" of his prequels from the EU, yet it's apparently just fine with him to rip off such a weapon from that very source. And yet I still don't see any of my :cursing: Dreadnoughts, GL!

I can easily agree with you on this. These were simply awesome and has probably been the reason that I love concept art to this day. One of the main reasons I buy so many Kaiju books is simply to find more and more concept art. There is just something about seeing what "might have been" that is really enticing.My favorite part of the Roost is actually the Scrapyard. So much art there, the only other place that seems to have as much is Dimension Tide (though I still prefer the Roost, no offence to the DT's owner).

My favorite pieces probably revolved around the AT-AT. I remember seeing on a trading card a really early concept for it. It was a large treaded vehicle, looking something like "Sandcrawler meets Road Warrior." Then there was that really cool streamlined-looking one, which I think a miniature was released for with one of those "Action Fleet" sets.

[MouthForWar]

Seeing Episode 3 is gonna be like if you see a guy getting mauled by a bear, you don't wanna look, but you keep looking anyway.

[Saruman]

Seeing Episode 3 is gonna be like if you see a guy getting mauled by a bear, you don't wanna look, but you keep looking anyway.
A really really really pissed off bear that is, LOL. :darklord:

[KaijuDave]

I wish George decided to make sequels instead. :cry: I wanted to see Shadows of the Empire.
Shadows wasn't a sequel. It takes place BETWEEN Empire Strikes Back & ROTJ. Great book but it came a little too late (1996) to be made into a film. The actors were 10 years older by then and it would not mesh well to insert a new movie into the middle of the Classic Trilogy. However, Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire (The Thrawn Trilogy) would have made an awesome sequel! It truly captured the feel of Eps 4-6 with great character interaction. If only it had been made for the big screen and the whole "prequel" idea forgotten...

[Morgoth]

Yeah, the Zahn books were great. Shame I'll never be able to read them again, but if I did, I'd have friggin metachrolians and Genosis maggot-men running through my head, as well as the fact that jedi were apparently complete idiots when it came to any sort of military engagement (can we swing lightsabers as if they are swords, not 4th of July sparklers people?)

Timothy Zahn managed to create characters that were truly worthy successors to the originals. Joruus C'baoth, Grand Admrial Thrawn, Mara Jade, Rukh, Captain Paeleon, hell, even the slimy Senator Borsk Feyla. Ah well, all characters now consigned to the pyre that was my affection for a universe ***** and the authors of those simpering, whiney 'New Jedi Order' books have managed to completely destroy.

[anguirus55]

Heh, I love how ***** is pledging this "complete and total disassociation" of his prequels from the EU, yet it's apparently just fine with him to rip off such a weapon from that very source. And yet I still don't see any of my Dreadnoughts, GL!

LMAO! You tell him! Where the HELL are the VSDs, that's what I wanna know!

Oh, and to Morgoth...Zahn's latest book takes place pre-NJO and actually is quite good. It's his first book to incorporate any prequel material at all, but the only real influence is his creative use of those "Droideka" things (and I was never too scared of those *******s until Zahn wrote for them, now I'd crap my pants if I ever ran into one).

Pellaeon is my favorite EU character.

[Spiral Fire]

Here's the deal. Star Wars Episode 3 is in production, and I'm very excited. But what do YOU guys think the movie needs?

I personally think it needs a space battle. Not a 30-fighter skirmish. I mean a Battle-Of-Geonosis-Style fight. I think that would be awesome.

So what does it need?

[kent]

It needs a whole lot of prayers my friend. It needs a whole lot of prayers.

[Mothraleo]

To be tossed out, and all copies of Ep 1 and Ep 2 burned. Burned like paper... er film. Burn like Osaka

[The Great MM]

Heh, I found Episode 1 pretty enjoyable and Episode 2 just plain rocked IMHO *dodges bullets*

Something I hope we see is the Sarlacc, I loved that huge thing in ROTJ, found it funny how everyone just "dropped in". Also, I hope we get to see another Acklay, Nexu, and Rancor, my three favorite Star Wars monsters so far.

I am looking forward to this movie, being a monster fan, I can only imagine what some of the next ones will be after seeing Nexu...

[Excelsior]

1) A cohesive plot.

2) A competent director.

3) A workable screenplay.

4) Characters we care about and identify with.

I have a feeling we're 0 for 4.

[Spiral Fire]

Um, ok then. The first one was ok. The only good part of the second one was Geonosis, which absolutely rocked.

[Daikaijuking]

The whole thing I'm just looking for in star wars to improve is, better lightsaber fights, they seem so boring, use it as if it were a real sword, do some kill bill fighting with it. or something, use some samurai type fighting, longer fights too. If they have that, then man i'd love that movie.

[Morgoth]

A new director, a new writer, a bullet in the back of Georgie's skull, new casting and an opening that reveals the first two fiascos were simply one of Jabba the Hutt's hookah-inspired drug dreams.


Bah, who am I kidding, nothing short of an act of God can save the festering pile of fecudity that is Star Wars.

[Saruman]

A new director, a new writer, a bullet in the back of Georgie's skull, new casting and an opening that reveals the first two fiascos were simply one of Jabba the Hutt's hookah-inspired drug dreams.


Bah, who am I kidding, nothing short of an act of God can save the festering pile of fecudity that is Star Wars.
I knew I had to read this just for the laugh. :laugh:

The best thing that could happen to Ep.3 is that it never gets made.

[Melkor]

It needs an act of God on the scale of the Creation to fix the mess wrought by the previous Prequels, and soon this. Not to mention a decent script, good actors, better special effects, and a totally new director. Did I mention the part about it needing actors that can actually act? Oh, and there should be a scene where they crucify Jar Jar Binks. And Hayden.



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Wiz]

:cry: Holy Crap!! Is there anyone on this thread that DOES like Star Wars and/or is looking forward to the new movie??? :look:


Anyway, I think some new lightsaber fights would be cool, Yoda style!! The old lightsaber fights aren't bad persay IMO, but if all of the lightsaber fights in the new SW movie are like the one between Yoda and Count Dooku (I think that was his name), it would be awsome!!

[Husnock]

A new director, a new writer, a bullet in the back of Georgie's skull, new casting and an opening that reveals the first two fiascos were simply one of Jabba the Hutt's hookah-inspired drug dreams.


Bah, who am I kidding, nothing short of an act of God can save the festering pile of fecudity that is Star Wars.I can never really exemplify that little tingle of glee I feel when I see that Morgoth has posted in a topic pertaining to Star Wars...:laugh:

[The Great MM]

:cry: Holy Crap!! Is there anyone on this thread that DOES like Star Wars and/or is looking forward to the new movie??? :look:

*raises hand*

I found one to be pretty good, a bit drawn out, but good, and Episode 2 just blew my socks off! The end battle was a cinematic masterpiece IMHO, I fail to see how ***** "ruined" his own series, when we can argue all day that Toho has done the same with Godzilla.

[Zigra]

I fail to see how ***** "ruined" his own series, when we can argue all day that Toho has done the same with Godzilla.

Those of us who can pay attention to such qualities as plot, acting, etc. know exactly how ***** has ruined SW. And I do agree that Toho has ruined Godzilla.

[Burkion]

Too never be made. That's the best thing I can give for it.

[Husnock]

*raises hand*

I found one to be pretty good, a bit drawn out, but good, and Episode 2 just blew my socks off! The end battle was a cinematic masterpiece IMHO, I fail to see how ***** "ruined" his own series, when we can argue all day that Toho has done the same with Godzilla.It's an entirely different situation, for one. Toho isn't one single individual, and Godzilla has been headed by many different writers and directors over the years. Furthermore, Toho has been in it for the money for longer than we know. Godzilla has seen an impossible amount of movies, and we can almost expect now for him to never remain in one static incarnation, Showa and Heisei aside.

***** made something beautiful. Money didn't matter to him, all that mattered was contributing something to cinema that popular culture would never forget. And he did. Fast forward several decades later. At first, granted, we all thought that all the fame, fortune, and recognition had consumed him, and he just didn't care. However, bizarre behavior (such as the DVD debacle) has called that in to question, but it is more likely just his own selfishness and stupidity. He doesn't care at all about his "vision," yet even Toho has shown to be protective at times, however few. They allowed Devlin and Emmerich to go ahead with GINO, but were NOT happy about it, and they were pissed as Hell about Marvel's comic series (even though it wasn't that bad). Toho at least seems to care about its fans, by whatever degree. ***** doesn't give a rat's *** about his, and frequently just tells them to **** off.

Whether any of us, myself included, like it or not, Godzilla has long held a reputation as kiddy fare and camp. And that's just what Toho's going with. Star Wars was something excellent, it always has been. There were no faults, no stumbles, no Godzilla vs. Megalons. And then ***** turned around and ruined it. The acting is bland and terrible, the characters are nauseating, and the story is just plain stupid. ***** destroyed Darth Vader. He made radically dumb and unnecessary changes to the history of R2-D2 and C-3P0. He created Jar-Jar Binks. And he threw in a limitless supply of nerve-grating attempts at humor. All in one movie.

Episode 2 rolls around. Yes, the final battle wasn't bad, and I've said many times I'm a nut for some (if not all) of the vehicles that participated. And Tyrannus is at least not bad a villain (even with a stupid name like "Count Dooku"). But now Anakin is a whiny, spoiled brat prone to temper tantrums. Natalie Portman still delivers her lines as blandly as ever. The poorly-hidden racial slurs that are the Neimoidians are still there. And Jar-Jar Binks is still alive, although in a smaller role. And we are revealed that Boba Fett, one of the beat-all end-all coolest and most beloved Star Wars characters is little more than a clone of some halfwit who trips alot.

Godzilla's always had campy moments here and there, bad acting, and goofy plots, it's part of the genre. But what happened to Star Wars was not funny, was not part of what Star Wars was, but was just plain wrong.

Finally, whether we like it or not, Godzilla has never had the kind of impact Star Wars had. Yes, we really like him. I love the big lizard. It's why I'm here, why sites like Kaijuphile exist. And sure, so a bunch of Godzilla toys and characters show up in animes from time to time. Big friggin' whup. You're just plain denying it if you don't realize it.

I don't care how good a job I did of spelling this out to you all, but if you're not satisifed, then I'm sure someone like Saruman or even Morgoth can do a much better job. I've said what I wanted to say.

[The Great MM]

Those of us who can pay attention to such qualities as plot, acting, etc. know exactly how ***** has ruined SW. And I do agree that Toho has ruined Godzilla.

Uh, I do. I didn't see many flaws with the acting, I saw much worse, but Anakin is annoying as hell and Natilie or who ever just plain sucks as acting. But I still found the movies enjoyable, but I guess thats because I don't take movies seriously and take them as what they are suppose to be, entertainment.

[BS Digital Q]

What E3 needs the most is either 1), a massive revamping like what has been suggested above, or 2), to never be made. AT ALL.

And while I enjoyed the prequels, they were still the worst peice of **** ever made. Just because they were enjoyable doesn't mean they are thus automatically on a par with the previous films.

[ALLOSAURZ]

My problems with the prequels is the characters were dull and had the personality of carboard. There were also no great scenes of tension such as when they were about to freeze Hans Solo in carbonite or when you found out DV was luke's father. There are no scenes like that that personally drew me in like the original. These films were soulless to me and just looked like something made to cash in on a popular franchise for monetary gain instead of doing what the original trilogy did... Tell a Kickass story. ***** needs to rethink how he makes movies and get back to his roots.

[Husnock]

My problems with the prequels is the characters were dull and had the personality of carboard. There were also no great scenes of tension such as when they were about to freeze Hans Solo in carbonite or when you found out DV was luke's father. There are no scenes like that that personally drew me in like the original. These films were soulless to me and just looked like something made to cash in on a popular franchise for monetary gain instead of doing what the original trilogy did... Tell a Kickass story. ***** needs to rethink how he makes movies and get back to his roots.Thank you, that's actually something I completely overlooked. And now I feel bad for missing it...

[The Great MM]

What E3 needs the most is either 1), a massive revamping like what has been suggested above, or 2), to never be made. AT ALL.

And while I enjoyed the prequels, they were still the worst peice of **** ever made. Just because they were enjoyable doesn't mean they are thus automatically on a par with the previous films.

I take you never saw the movie "Sasquatch" then... how can a movie be enjoyable but be the worst piece of **** ever to be made?

[MasteroftheSwarm]

A new director, a new writer, a bullet in the back of Georgie's skull, new casting and an opening that reveals the first two fiascos were simply one of Jabba the Hutt's hookah-inspired drug dreams.


Bah, who am I kidding, nothing short of an act of God can save the festering pile of fecudity that is Star Wars.


This sums my thoughts up on the prequels as well. Except a bit watered down for good taste, but otherwise I totlaly agree with Clint here.

[Excelsior]

What does Episode 3 need?

Peter Jackson.

[Wiz]

My problems with the prequels is the characters were dull and had the personality of carboard. There were also no great scenes of tension such as when they were about to freeze Hans Solo in carbonite or when you found out DV was luke's father. There are no scenes like that that personally drew me in like the original. These films were soulless to me and just looked like something made to cash in on a popular franchise for monetary gain instead of doing what the original trilogy did... Tell a Kickass story. ***** needs to rethink how he makes movies and get back to his roots.
The prequels have sacrificed good actors and stuff like that for better fight scenes IMO.

And not having great scenes of tension isn't anybodys fault, is it? In the 4th, 5th, and 6th books, there were things like Hans Solo getting frozen in carbonite and the thing about DV being Lukes father. So when the movie was made, those things were put in it. In the second and first episodes of SW, if there isn't anything like that, that should be because there wasn't anything like that in the books, unless the movies left something out.

[Husnock]

The prequels have sacrificed good actors and stuff like that for better fight scenes IMO.

And not having great scenes of tension isn't anybodys fault, is it? In the 4th, 5th, and 6th books, there were things like Hans Solo getting frozen in carbonite and the thing about DV being Lukes father. So when the movie was made, those things were put in it. In the second and first episodes of SW, if there isn't anything like that, that should be because there wasn't anything like that in the books, unless the movies left something out.In reference to the former paragraph: that's both a bad excuse and a "tradeoff" (if it can be called as such) that just isn't anywhere near worth the cost.

In reference to the latter paragraph: what the Hell are you talking about?

[RadoGoji]

I enjoyed 1+2, sans Jar Jar and Anakin. However, 3 needs to be much better. Besides, I like all of the space fighting and technological stuff more than the Jedi stuff. After all, it's called Star Wars, as in "Wars among the stars," not "Overpowered guys fight each other with laser swords."

[DarkGojiLord]

Chewie is in Episode 3 LMAO!!!!!!

[The Great MM]

Chewie is in Episode 3 LMAO!!!!!!

I heard Han is also...

[DarkGojiLord]

No its not a rumor or a joke he is part of the cast list on starwars.com

[Baran-no-goji]

I hope George ***** remembers to make this one good. I think he's been a total hack ever since Temple Of Doom. He's lost his touch with the generation.

[anguirus55]

I am looking forward to this movie. I honestly think it will be better than Episode I and II, but I doubt it will "dethrone" the OT. Still, I'll go for the Obi/Anakin fight ALONE (Ewan McGregor is terrific as Kenobi), the opening space battle sounds awesome, VADER'S BACK, and there will be mass destruction and death.

I understand the criticism many have of GL (he's done some really stupid ****) but come on, racial slurs my ***. The aliens have always had accents.

[Excelsior]

This is only a rumor, but if true, it fully illustrates what is wrong with the prequel trilogy.

I read on one movie site or other a while back that the climactic duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan would take place inside a volcano, with the two of them leaping from one floating rock platform to another amidst the flowing lava while they fought. This just siphons all the potential emotion out of what should be an epic tearjerker of a battle and reduces it to another level of a video game. That's what ***** (why is his name astericked?) has done wrong from the get-go with these films - forsake emotion for special effects, trade razzle-dazzle for heart.

Eff you, Force boy. In the words of animated Randal, "I want my eight dollars back."

[Morgoth]

Randall is the man! I hear rumours of a new Clerks movie in the works.



As for why ***** is bleeped out, I find the name offensive, much more so than any of the other words on the obscenity filter.

[Excelsior]

Randall is the man! I hear rumours of a new Clerks movie in the works.



As for why ***** is bleeped out, I find the name offensive, much more so than any of the other words on the obscenity filter.

"The Passion of the Clerks" (no lie, that's the title) coming in 2005.

And I thought that was the reason. I approve (for what that's worth).

[Darth Reaper]

What Episode 3 needs is Darth Vader, in full armor, storming the gates of the Jedi tempal with an army of Storm Troopers (or will they still be clone troopers at this point, hmm), and kicking some Jedi ***. I want to see Vader in action, and the beginning of The Great Jedi Purge.

I read on one movie site or other a while back that the climactic duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan would take place inside a volcano, with the two of them leaping from one floating rock platform to another amidst the flowing lava while they fought. This just siphons all the potential emotion out of what should be an epic tearjerker of a battle and reduces it to another level of a video game. That's what ***** (why is his name astericked?) has done wrong from the get-go with these films - forsake emotion for special effects, trade razzle-dazzle for heart.- Overenthusiastic Kaiju Pirate

I beg to differ. Just because the fight's complex doesn't mean that it can't have drama and emotion in it.

[Excelsior]

I beg to differ. Just because the fight's complex doesn't mean that it can't have drama and emotion in it.

I just don't think Luc-man has the capability to produce anything dramatic or emotional anymore. I see him masking his creative shortcomings (which are vast) with whatever new CGI toy he's fixated on at that given moment. That's what the lava is (if it's true) - a mask. He figures if he makes it bright enough, loud enough and colorful enough, we won't notice that it is devoid of any real dramatic content.

I personally wouldn't even bother with Ep 3 if it weren't for the fact that my wife is a lifelong Star Wars nut and is dragging me to see it. I've never bothered to see the third Matrix movie for the same reason. Special effects do not make a movie good.

[Kaiju Fan]

What Episode 3 needs is Darth Vader, in full armor, storming the gates of the Jedi tempal with an army of Storm Troopers (or will they still be clone troopers at this point, hmm), and kicking some Jedi ***. I want to see Vader in action, and the beginning of The Great Jedi Purge.



I beg to differ. Just because the fight's complex doesn't mean that it can't have drama and emotion in it.

I think that the constant jumping around and such would be too distracting to give the fight any drama, as opposed to how I always imagined it being, which was the two of them just going at each other on a bridge overlooking the magma. It allows the audience to focus more on the drama and emotion of the moment and not the "dazzling" special effects (imo).

[Kaiju Fan]

I just don't think Luc-man has the capability to produce anything dramatic or emotional anymore. I see him masking his creative shortcomings (which are vast) with whatever new CGI toy he's fixated on at that given moment. That's what the lava is (if it's true) - a mask. He figures if he makes it bright enough, loud enough and colorful enough, we won't notice that it is devoid of any real dramatic content.

I personally wouldn't even bother with Ep 3 if it weren't for the fact that my wife is a lifelong Star Wars nut and is dragging me to see it. I've never bothered to see the third Matrix movie for the same reason. Special effects do not make a movie good.

Amen. Give me a kaiju movie over movies with "superior" special effects like Matrix: Revolutions anyday (that movie was bad anyway).

[Kaiju Fan]

I hope George ***** remembers to make this one good. I think he's been a total hack ever since Temple Of Doom. He's lost his touch with the generation.

Nah, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) was awesome. After that though, he def. became a total hack.

[Excelsior]

I'm not sure how much impact he actually had on the Indiana Jones movies. He's credited with character creation for Temple of Doom and story for Last Crusade. He might have offered Spielberg some opinions, but they're not his baby.

In my opinion, ***** got lucky once with Star Wars. He then went on to do Empire, but had a good amount of help on that one if I remember right, so he can't take full credit for that one. Maybe a Star Wars afficianado can fill in the blanks for me on that one. Then came the beginning of the end - Jedi. That was when he started to give in to the merchandising gods, creating characters specifically for the child market (Ewoks? Gimme a break).

As God is my witness, if I ever come face to face with Georgie, here comes Mr Punch. I think that the contributions of every fan in America who agrees with me would be more than enough to pay my bail.

[Morgoth]

Empire is the one that half-wit had the least amount to do. He basically gave the writer the general 'high points' of what he wanted in there and then the story developed around that. As far as direction, Georgie was nowhere to be seen, that was Irwin Kerschner who directed Empire, so all those who think Empire is the best one - maybe it's because Georgie had the least amount to do with that one.



Oh, and this great man who has such a wonderful 'vision' for his films yet constantly goes for the easy out and the merchandise cop out. Return was originally supposed to have wookies, not ewoks (one can buy a stormtrooper going down when a wookie throws a rock at him, but when a 2 foot tall teddy bear does? ) and also the death of Lando and the Millenium Falcon (they don't make it out of the DEath Star) to show that no great victory is ever accomplished without sacrifice. Bit too heavy of a message for a movie designed to sell Kenner toys to six-year olds, so naturally his 'vision' changed.

[The Great MM]

Empire is the one that half-wit had the least amount to do. He basically gave the writer the general 'high points' of what he wanted in there and then the story developed around that. As far as direction, Georgie was nowhere to be seen, that was Irwin Kerschner who directed Empire, so all those who think Empire is the best one - maybe it's because Georgie had the least amount to do with that one.



Oh, and this great man who has such a wonderful 'vision' for his films yet constantly goes for the easy out and the merchandise cop out. Return was originally supposed to have wookies, not ewoks (one can buy a stormtrooper going down when a wookie throws a rock at him, but when a 2 foot tall teddy bear does? ) and also the death of Lando and the Millenium Falcon (they don't make it out of the DEath Star) to show that no great victory is ever accomplished without sacrifice. Bit too heavy of a message for a movie designed to sell Kenner toys to six-year olds, so naturally his 'vision' changed.

Never noticed that Lando got killed and the Falcon destroyed...

[BS Digital Q]

Never noticed that Lando got killed and the Falcon destroyed...
He said that was an idea that was ultimately canned by *****.

[Kaiju Fan]

Empire is the one that half-wit had the least amount to do. He basically gave the writer the general 'high points' of what he wanted in there and then the story developed around that. As far as direction, Georgie was nowhere to be seen, that was Irwin Kerschner who directed Empire, so all those who think Empire is the best one - maybe it's because Georgie had the least amount to do with that one.



Oh, and this great man who has such a wonderful 'vision' for his films yet constantly goes for the easy out and the merchandise cop out. Return was originally supposed to have wookies, not ewoks (one can buy a stormtrooper going down when a wookie throws a rock at him, but when a 2 foot tall teddy bear does? ) and also the death of Lando and the Millenium Falcon (they don't make it out of the DEath Star) to show that no great victory is ever accomplished without sacrifice. Bit too heavy of a message for a movie designed to sell Kenner toys to six-year olds, so naturally his 'vision' changed.

I'm torn between it would have sucked to see Lando die and that would have been a great theme to put in the movie (and true too). While we're on the topic of canned SW ideas, Episode II, from what I hear, was originally supposed to be much darker than what we got in the theater. Among other things, we would have seen the graphic portrayal of the Tusken Raider massacre and Count Dooku torturing Obi-Wan physically and mentally. That was of course too dark a movie to have kids see and that means no selling of action figures so ***** changed it. This of course means that Episode III is going to be no way near as dark as it should be and will ultimately suck.

[Emperor Violenjiger]

I will tell you want Episode 3 needs, and I can assure you that everyone is thinking it (and I haven't read page 1 to see if someone else has stated this): What episode 3 needs is to get canned!

[The Great MM]

I'm torn between it would have sucked to see Lando die and that would have been a great theme to put in the movie (and true too). While we're on the topic of canned SW ideas, Episode II, from what I hear, was originally supposed to be much darker than what we got in the theater. Among other things, we would have seen the graphic portrayal of the Tusken Raider massacre and Count Dooku torturing Obi-Wan physically and mentally. That was of course too dark a movie to have kids see and that means no selling of action figures so ***** changed it. This of course means that Episode III is going to be no way near as dark as it should be and will ultimately suck.

I don't think having a movie that would be darker would ruin the toy line, I mean, we had that HUGE line of of toys from one of the scariest and gory serieses ever made... Aliens.

[Excelsior]

Hell, right from the Star Wars trilogy we had a lot of toys made of "dead" characters - Boba Fett, Jabba, Vader.

If you want to know how much Luccy doesn't give a dang about his fan base, think about this:

Every fan has been clamoring for the release of the untouched, un-Special Editioned versions of the original trilogy, either on DVD or VHS (most don't care which). He won't do it. He says it's because he now has the technology to do what he originally wanted to do in the first place, and that's all well and good. But it would cost him next to nothing to throw his fans a bone and release the original prints, and it would make him a hell of a lot of money to do so. The fact that he hasn't done it means either 1) he actually cares that little about the people who made it possible for his great-grandchildren to have so much money inherited that they never have to work a day in their lives, or 2) he's going to release them down the road after driving up the demand enough to soak every living penny out of our pockets.

Either way, look out, George. Here comes Mr. Punch.

[Darth Reaper]

Every fan has been clamoring for the release of the untouched, un-Special Editioned versions of the original trilogy, either on DVD or VHS (most don't care which). He won't do it. He says it's because he now has the technology to do what he originally wanted to do in the first place, and that's all well and good. But it would cost him next to nothing to throw his fans a bone and release the original prints, and it would make him a hell of a lot of money to do so. The fact that he hasn't done it means either 1) he actually cares that little about the people who made it possible for his great-grandchildren to have so much money inherited that they never have to work a day in their lives, or 2) he's going to release them down the road after driving up the demand enough to soak every living penny out of our pockets.- Overenthusiastic Kaiju Pirate

Actually, as I understand it, George won't release the original versions simply because he doesn't like them. The new editions are what he wanted to do in the first place but couldn't, so he likes them better. He knows that not everyone will be happy with this decision, but he'd rather be punished for producing a product that he's proud of than having to live with a product that he doesn't like. I don't necessarily agree with this line of thinking, but it doesn't appear to be about greed.

But, who knows, maybe he'll eventually give in to fan demand.

I don't think having a movie that would be darker would ruin the toy line, I mean, we had that HUGE line of of toys from one of the scariest and gory serieses ever made... Aliens.- Monster Master

Now a days that might be true, but back in 1983 that wasn't necessarily the case. They tried to release an 18 inch (or so) Alien doll back in 1979. Parents didn't think it was a good idea to be selling children action figures that were based on R-rated horror movies, so the toy was eventually taken off of store shelves. A similar thing happened when they came out with a Freddy Krueger doll in the 80's.

I will tell you want Episode 3 needs, and I can assure you that everyone is thinking it (and I haven't read page 1 to see if someone else has stated this): What episode 3 needs is to get canned!- Lord Khandejifer

I'm not thinking that.

Oh, and this great man who has such a wonderful 'vision' for his films yet constantly goes for the easy out and the merchandise cop out. Return was originally supposed to have wookies, not ewoks (one can buy a stormtrooper going down when a wookie throws a rock at him, but when a 2 foot tall teddy bear does? )

Actually, George axed the wookies because he realized that they were too sophysticated to suit his needs. The whole idea was to have a primitive society fight The Empire and win. Since Chewbacca can fly space ships, operate advanced technology, and use sophysitcated weapons, etc., it seemed to George that wookies weren't as primitive as he had originally intended them to be.

[The Great MM]

If you want to know how much Luccy doesn't give a dang about his fan base, think about this:

Every fan has been clamoring for the release of the untouched, un-Special Editioned versions of the original trilogy, either on DVD or VHS (most don't care which). He won't do it. He says it's because he now has the technology to do what he originally wanted to do in the first place, and that's all well and good. But it would cost him next to nothing to throw his fans a bone and release the original prints, and it would make him a hell of a lot of money to do so. The fact that he hasn't done it means either 1) he actually cares that little about the people who made it possible for his great-grandchildren to have so much money inherited that they never have to work a day in their lives, or 2) he's going to release them down the road after driving up the demand enough to soak every living penny out of our pockets.


Again, the same thing can be said with Toho and Godzilla. Fans from America and other countries have been begging for the Japanese uncut version of "Godzilla" to be released on DVD here, and Toho keeps ignoring us and denying us. But ***** has an actuall excuse on what hes doing, he likes the new versions better, and it must be said by someone, so do I.

[Darth Reaper]

But ***** has an actuall excuse on what hes doing, he likes the new versions better, and it must be said by someone, so do I.- Monster Master

Uh oh, you'd better watch your back Monster Master, I fear your life is now in danger. Keep your eyes peeled for those snipers, they're the ones that you really need to watch out for. :D

[Morgoth]

Don't worry, I haven't started mass banning of either the retarded or the insane... yet.

And before DR and MM start getting angry, that was a joke, so please take it as such.

[kritaya]

Again, the same thing can be said with Toho and Godzilla. Fans from America and other countries have been begging for the Japanese uncut version of "Godzilla" to be released on DVD here, and Toho keeps ignoring us and denying us. But ***** has an actuall excuse on what hes doing, he likes the new versions better, and it must be said by someone, so do I.

Toho has a couple of valid excuses. No one wants to pay the money they're asking; and Western audiences are an afterthought. The fanbase is in Japan. Why does no one get this?

As far as Star Wars, I was never a huge fan. I liked the OT (original, special version, whatever) and I bought the DVD set, mostly because, well, I never had in any home video format. The new ones I haven't been thrilled with. They had their moments but mostly they were just...okay. Too much reliance on technology and not enough on old-fashioned storytelling. But even I, non-geek that I am, could see the weird continuity errors between the OT and the NT. And I could never understand the fascination with Boba Fett. This is a character whose total screen time in the OT was three minutes, tops. Never got that.

[The Great MM]

Don't worry, I haven't started mass banning of either the retarded or the insane... yet.

And before DR and MM start getting angry, that was a joke, so please take it as such.

I wouldn't get into a flame, I can handle jokes.

Toho has a couple of valid excuses. No one wants to pay the money they're asking; and Western audiences are an afterthought. The fanbase is in Japan. Why does no one get this?


They could always release it themselves or always just lower the price.

[kritaya]

They could always release it themselves

...and lose money going through the complicated and expensive process of setting up a distribution arm for a market that's an afterthought.

or always just lower the price.

Why?

[The Great MM]

...and lose money going through the complicated and expensive process of setting up a distribution arm for a market that's an afterthought.

So then what's the difference on ***** not releasing the original films and Toho not releasing the original Gojira, if Toho cared about fans in the US, we would have had the DVD a while ago. Like I said, at least ***** has an actuall excuse for what he is doing, he likes the new versions better, and theres not much of a difference, unlike "Godzilla" and "Godzilla King of the Monsters".

And why, again, if Toho cared about the fans in the US and other countries, they would do anything they could to get the film released, but they want to make all the money they want instead of pleasing fans.

[kritaya]

And why, again, if Toho cared about the fans in the US and other countries, they would do anything they could to get the film released, but they want to make all the money they want instead of pleasing fans.

But why should Toho, a Japanese company making films for a Japanese audience, care about foreign fans? Compared to Japan, foreign fans are too few to matter. If there were more of us, Toho would bend over backward to release it here. But there aren't, so they won't.

[CBright7831]

Yes, Chewbacca is returning for Episode III.

He will play an important role in saving a certain Jedi from the clonetroopers.

[Excelsior]

***** is going to recieve the AFI's Lifetime Achievement Award. From Cinescape.com:

The man who created two of the most famous and endearing film series of all time is being honored by Hollywood's own next June with the American Film Institute's 33rd Lifetime Achievement Award, the AFI's highest honor for a film career.

"George ***** is a master storyteller," said Sir Howard Stringer, chair of the AFI Board of Trustees, "but he is first and foremost a moving image pioneer. He has advanced the art of the moving image like few others, and in the process has inspired a new generation of filmmakers around the world."


***** said that "I've been very fortunate to have had a long career doing what I love to do, and being recognized by AFI for it is really an honor. I'm proud to be counted among such an extraordinary group of people whose lives are dedicated to the art of making movies."


*****, of course, created the STAR WARS universe, then teamed with Steven Spielberg to create the INDIANA JONES saga. He has also written, directed and produced such films as THX 1138, AMERICAN GRAFFITI and TUCKER. The final episode in the STAR WARS saga, REVENGE OF THE SITH, is slated for release on May 19, 2005.

Make of that what you will.

[The Great MM]

But why should Toho, a Japanese company making films for a Japanese audience, care about foreign fans? Compared to Japan, foreign fans are too few to matter. If there were more of us, Toho would bend over backward to release it here. But there aren't, so they won't.

Thats just more evidence that they don't care about the fans. It shouldn't matter on the number of fans, if a movie series has a rather large fandom (Godzilla), the company should do what ever they can to please em, but all Toho wants is money, and again, ***** has an actuall excuse.

[kritaya]

Thats just more evidence that they don't care about the fans. It shouldn't matter on the number of fans, if a movie series has a rather large fandom (Godzilla), the company should do what ever they can to please em, but all Toho wants is money, and again, ***** has an actuall excuse.

This will be my final comment on the matter. As I understand the facts, on the whole Godzilla's popularity is shrinking in Japan as evidenced by declining ticket sales. GMK was the most successful Millenium film but it was a temporary spike in an otherwise steady decline. Still, Godzilla has a larger fandom in Japan than in the West. Western fandom is microscopic by comparison. Toho is a company. Companies are formed to sell a product and make money. A company won't last if it makes fiscally unsound decisions. Catering to a tiny, hardcore fanbase in a foreign land is a fiscally unsound decision. Whether you realize it or not, what you are asking by saying Toho should please the "fans" is for them to go bankrupt. Western fandom is too small to justify such an endeavor. It is too small to support such action. We are just too few. To me, that is a rational, economically-sound, and quite acceptable excuse.

While I do not agree with GL's refusal to release the first SW trilogy as it was originally presented, and while I find that some of the changes he has made to the films using digital enhancement are unwarrented or just downright stupid, they are his films, his vision. Fans didn't pay for an actual piece of the dream; only the privilege of peaking at it. Fortunately, for him, he has made enough money to remain independent of both studio manipulation and the demands of hardcore fans who, in their unreasoning passion, can be just as compromising to the creative vision.

[Wiz]

In reference to the former paragraph: that's both a bad excuse and a "tradeoff" (if it can be called as such) that just isn't anywhere near worth the cost.

In reference to the latter paragraph: what the Hell are you talking about?
What I meant was this: in the books that episodes 4,5, and 6 were based off of, there were things in the story like Vader revealing to Luke that he was his father. When the movies were made and these events were put in them, it made the story suspensful because none of the viewers expected Vader to be Luke's father. In the first and second episodes, however, there aren't any of these suspensful scenes. I said this wasn't the directer's fault, or the producers fault. The fault lies with the origional story (the book) in which the movie was based off of. My guess would be that there were no suspensful, or surprising, events in the book, therefore in the movie there wasn't because the movie is based off of the book. Do you understand now? It is kinda' hard to put what I'm trying to say in words.

[The Great MM]

This will be my final comment on the matter. As I understand the facts, on the whole Godzilla's popularity is shrinking in Japan as evidenced by declining ticket sales. GMK was the most successful Millenium film but it was a temporary spike in an otherwise steady decline. Still, Godzilla has a larger fandom in Japan than in the West. Western fandom is microscopic by comparison. Toho is a company. Companies are formed to sell a product and make money. A company won't last if it makes fiscally unsound decisions. Catering to a tiny, hardcore fanbase in a foreign land is a fiscally unsound decision. Whether you realize it or not, what you are asking by saying Toho should please the "fans" is for them to go bankrupt. Western fandom is too small to justify such an endeavor. It is too small to support such action. We are just too few. To me, that is a rational, economically-sound, and quite acceptable excuse.

While I do not agree with GL's refusal to release the first SW trilogy as it was originally presented, and while I find that some of the changes he has made to the films using digital enhancement are unwarrented or just downright stupid, they are his films, his vision. Fans didn't pay for an actual piece of the dream; only the privilege of peaking at it. Fortunately, for him, he has made enough money to remain independent of both studio manipulation and the demands of hardcore fans who, in their unreasoning passion, can be just as compromising to the creative vision.

True, I will agree. But Toho could do something else to atleast give the US/American fans, and that is make a DVD and put English subs on it and sell in Japan, theres American fans there also, and we could buy it from the internet, but Toho even refuses that.

[Morgoth]

Jesus Christ on a crutch people!!!! There are NO original books this **** is based on!!!! George wrote one book, ONE, back in the 70's, which was Star Wars. The books for Empire and Jedi weren't even written by him, he just explained what he wanted, much as he did to the directors who made the films, and these prequel crap excuses for stories weren't even a bad idea back in the day. At best they were a handful of notes, which is a far cry from a finished work, but that is pretty fair since the resulting movies are a far cry from real films.

Trying to come up with all of these idiotic excuses that ***** has some grand vision, that these are stories he's had sitting around for 30 odd years is fanboy denial bullshit. The emperor ain't wearing no clothes folks, these revisionist Star Wars movies are bullshit, the prequels are bullshit and George is a powermad jackass who laughs every time one of you idiots decides to fuel his colossal ego-trip. Toho has financial reasons for doing what they do, ***** has some bombastic idea that he's God's gift to world cinema and to hell with the fans. Well, you know what, **** *****. Eventually he'll get so freaky that even the rabid overweight, haven't taken a shower in six months, pock-marked piss-wad little vegetables out there who wouldn't accept reality if it painted itself blue and shoved a giant Jar-Jar Binks doll up their caboose will realise the mook is a complete and utter moron. His vision? You mean he 'envisioned' having Hayden Christiansen in Return of the Jedi, an actor who wasn't even born when that movie was being made? You mean he 'envisioned' replacing huge wookies with tiny, consumer-friendly ewoks? And anybody who still can't see racist aspects to the aliens in these prequels needs to check with social security because you should be legally blind, or at least legally retarded. "mesa gonna go gits mesa some dat dere waddy-melon massa jedi.'

Well, this topic has now and truly pissed me off beyond belief and is thereby getting a padlock. :cursing:

[Morgoth]

:cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

No way I'm typing 15 of those.

[Da_Jinx]

I saw the trailer today on Entertainment TV show, "Access Hollywood". After seeing it I am cautiously optimistic for its premiere. I'm curious to see how Anakin turns to the Dark Side but atleast I got to see the original Darth Vader outfit come back or in this case makes it debut. I was a little surprised that since it was many years before " a new hope" that it was the same outfit, I thought it would be gradual thing and the younger Darth outfit would look different. From the clips that I've seen, Anakin has turned for the majority of the film and even his facial features will too.

Heres hoping for it to be a good film or atleast the best out of the prequels.

[Melkor]

I downloaded the trailer, and I am impressed, however slightly. First off, I've heard so much hype about the trailer, but I cannot help but feel a little empty. It is a nice trailer, though, very ominous and brooding. The best part was Darth Vader's little chat with the Emperor... I thought it was very well done. The latter half of the trailer could have used some more scenes, but what I saw made me a bit more optimistic about the movie. The 'prologue' is a nice touch. Here's hoping the movie won't be as bad as I think it will be. :)



Peace,



Melkor



:darklord:

[Excelsior]

Downloaded the trailer. Watched the trailer. Hate the trailer.

I'm sorry, but this is shaping up to be exactly what I expected it to be. George L is hiding his glaring lack of talent behind a bubblegum facade of CGI buffoonery, trusting that the blind sheep of the moviegoing flock will eat it up, no matter how pathetically ridiculous it may be.

You know what? To hell with George. There. I said it. Actually, I said it, then edited it so as not to earn the wrath of the auto-censor. My original word was a bit harsher. Fudge, as Ralphie would have said.

George is a no-talent hack who got lucky with the original Star Wars. Everything else that he's taken creative control over has sucked like a new Hoover (Howard the Duck, anyone?). He's like a more commercially bloodthirsty Thomas Harris, who only had one truly good book (Silence of the Lambs), yet continues to churn out pathetic, soulless imitations of himself. Have you read any of his stuff? Red Dragon was good, not great, but Hannibal was an affront to the trees that were murdered to provide it with the paper it was printed on. And he's still puking out his nonsense - there's a new Hannibal book and movie in the works.

But I digress.

Maybe I ask too much out of my movies. After all, who needs a coherent, well written script with honest dialog when you can have a computer vomit out yet another weird alien life form (which will have its own action figure, of course)? Why bother trying to coax a performance out of your actors that doesn't induce eye-rolls or outright laughter (that whiny little crybaby 90210 ***** is supposed to become the most feared man in the galaxy? Sure, and Trish Stratus is waiting at home for me in white lingerie) when we have to deal with real problems, like what should a Yoda fart sound like. I'm not even kidding on that last one.

This movie has just about as much appeal to me as a case of buttock boils. I hate it even more because it's made me sound like any of the other people who tear it down every chance they get. I'm not even like this, usually. I have a live-and-let-live mentality when it comes to movies, because I personally love some movies that most people hate (yes, I own Cutthroat Island.) But, like many people here, Star Wars is a significant part of my childhood. I treasure the first trilogy (well, not really Jedi), and to see that bearded halfwit do the Mexican Hat Dance on a valued childhood memory really infuriates me.

Go to hell, George, and take your "vision" with you.

/rant

[Dante]

I saw the trailer on TRL yesterday and I liked it.

It looked like Yoda was gearing up to fight lsomeone again, an army of Wookies stood chearing after what I assumed was a victorious fight, and two massive starships blasthing the living daylights out of each other. I am impressed.

I just hope he answers some quetions, like when is Luke and Leia born, and how are the Jedi killed.

I also hope he keeps the droid general from the clone wars cartoons on Cartoon Network. He was awesome. I am of course referring to the one in the last chapter. I forgot his name.

[CBright7831]

I saw the trailer on TRL yesterday and I liked it.

It looked like Yoda was gearing up to fight lsomeone again, an army of Wookies stood chearing after what I assumed was a victorious fight, and two massive starships blasthing the living daylights out of each other. I am impressed.

I just hope he answers some quetions, like when is Luke and Leia born, and how are the Jedi killed.

I also hope he keeps the droid general from the clone wars cartoons on Cartoon Network. He was awesome. I am of course referring to the one in the last chapter. I forgot his name.
General Grievous

[BS Digital Q]

Where can you download it?

[Darth Reaper]

I will concede one thing here, I suspect that ***** may have fallen into a bit of a trap in the past. I think it's possible that the fact that George is able to bring to life with a computer just about anything that he can imagine has led him to neglect some of the other elements of the story. I think he himself has admitted that sometimes you have no choice but to focus on the story and the characters themselves because you can't bring to life the visuals that you want. You can't do everything you want, so you have no choice but to do the best you can with what you do have. Now that George has the technology to bring those visuals to life, he doesn't have to compromise so much, and as a result perhaps some of the little nuances are forgotten.

Still, I've enjoyed the prequals, and I'm looking forward to episode III. I've heard good things about it. This could be interesting. Most people seem to think that RETURN OF THE JEDI is the weakest chapter of the original trilogy; wouldn't it be ironic if episode III turns out to be the strongest chapter of the prequal trilogy? Talk about revenge of the Sith.

[Mecha74]

Indeed it would be ironic if episode three was received warmly after the seemingly endless flack that the prievious two prequels have garnered. But with episode three we're kinda looking at a GFW scenario, alot of ground to cover and alot of things to happen in one film. Now I don't know how much of this is concrete, but this is what I've heard so far......


1. the clonewars end
2. the jedi fall
3. Dooku vs Yoda, round two
4. The jedi slaying cyborg from the clone wars cartoons appears and is also apparently dealt with by the end of the film(don't ask me how?)
5. Anakin vs Kenobi
6. Anakin becomes Vader
7. Luke and Leia are born
8. Chewie cameo
9. the rise of the Empire

Now folks if all of this is true this could be the best of the prequels or the worst depending on how it is executed. And as to how much of this is confirmed (besides the events surrounding Anakin ofcourse) is also up in the air. Despite the lack luster performances of the other prequels I will go see episode three reguardless.

[anguirus55]

Downloaded the trailer. Watched the trailer. Hate the trailer.

Mind giving reasons why you hate the TRAILER, instead of just moaning about GL?

The trailer was terrific, IMO. This has the potential to be by far the best prequel and maybe, just maybe, live up to the standards of the OT.

[Excelsior]

Mind giving reasons why you hate the TRAILER, instead of just moaning about GL?

The trailer was terrific, IMO. This has the potential to be by far the best prequel and maybe, just maybe, live up to the standards of the OT.

Mmm, fair enough. I did go off on a tangent.

To be honest, as far as trailers go, it could have been worse. The pacing was good (nice slow start, slowly picking up speed), the tastes of action they gave us make the scenes look good, and the CGI looked nice and polished. I didn't like the Emperor's voiceover (thought it sounded too forced), but Sir Alec's was well done. As far as adding scenes from the original trilogy, well, I don't really know if that was necessary. This trilogy is its own animal, even though it does of course connect to the original.

So, as far as trailers go, it wasn't really all that bad. It didn't get my blood pumping like some trailers do, but it wasn't the worst either. The biggest problem I have with it, actually, is that it's a trailer for a new Star Wars movie. Episodes I & II had very good trailers, and (in my opinion), those movies were just plain bad. So, no matter how tasty the promotional material for Episode III might be, I just can't work up any excitement for the movie.

[Angiru-San]

Being the large Star Wars fan that I am (I think I am the only one here, I am truly fascinated with the series, and love it!) I just did a crapload of research on Episode III. Ive probably seen the trailer 10 times now...it gives me goosebumps everytime Darth Vader rises. And although some of the space battles still look more futuristic than the original series (which is suppost to be in the future, so alot of people dont agree with this), you have to remember that the rise of the empire severly impacted the lives of everyone under its tyrantic control. Basically, theyre economy bit the dust, and alot of things went down with it. When two people are running the entire galaxy, and outreaches surpassing thereof, everyone and everything is going to be impacted. Just imagine the lack of supplies, transportation, and technology in general. So, when you look at it that way, it makes sense. One large peice of evidence is the new Jedi Starfighters introduced in Ep III. They will feature double-fold out wings that will resemble the TIE fighters we see in the original trilogy, AND the large circular window, featuring the same pattern of window frames. The point is that Anakin and Palpatine are going to basically take over everything. And obviously Anakin brings the Jedi Starfighters with him, eventually creating his own custom ships from their designs.

I believe that the tremedous amount of images in this movie that are influenced by the original trilogy, will make it an instant classic, and will hopefully save the new trilogy.

[mechagodzilla3]

Being the large Star Wars fan that I am (I think I am the only one here, I am truly fascinated with the series, and love it!)

Your not the only one. I love star wars. Its got everything,whats not to like

[Morgoth]

Your not the only one. I love star wars. Its got everything,whats not to like

Fortunately I don't have the energy to respond to that, or the time to type 30 pages of text...

[Aragorn_Strider22]

Aww...I was looking forward to it when I saw this on the menu screen.

No 30 page rant for me today...

[Zigra]

Your not the only one. I love star wars. Its got everything,whats not to like

You know, the big problem with that statement is not your love of SW, but your lack of an explaination. Individuals like Morgoth and Saruman on numerous occasions have made very lengthy, very detailed arguements explaining what's not to like about what GL has done. So, when one person comes along and in one sentence says something like "what's not to like?" without doing anything to back up their position, it gets more than a little annoying.

[The Great MM]

You know, the big problem with that statement is not your love of SW, but your lack of an explaination. Individuals like Morgoth and Saruman on numerous occasions have made very lengthy, very detailed arguements explaining what's not to like about what GL has done. So, when one person comes along and in one sentence says something like "what's not to like?" without doing anything to back up their position, it gets more than a little annoying.

Eh, its usually comes down to opinion when someone says "what's not to like". All though, I can list multiple things on what's wrong with em, but hey, they are rather enjoyable, IMHO *dodges bullet*.

[SCGamerXX24]

ive never like star wars for the storyline or gls moral view, ive always watched it for the variety in environments, vehicles, and characters. the prequels may suck in storyline, but imo, they still bring waht i like about the series to the table.

[Burkion]

Darth Vader.....Damn them all to hell if they screw his character up EVEN MORE. ****ING *****. **** him all to ****ing **** hell. Vader used to be cool...Now I fear what they will do to him...*Jar Jar comes to mind and screams in rage*

[Draco]

Saw the trailer. Same CGI eye sore from the first two movies. And the scene of Darth Vader being rased on the slab looks stupid. I can't believe they made Darth Vader look stupid. I think I'm going to go cry now.

[CBright7831]

And here is our first finished shot of General Grievous:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/generalgrievous/img/movie_bg.jpg

[Burkion]

......That's a video game shot, right? RIGHT?! God damnit....This film is getting worse and worse...

[anguirus55]

Oh, cry me a river. Seriously. Grievous looks fine. ***** has overused CGI in the past (and probably will in this one) but seriously, so far, everything has looked really good.

What I especially loved is all the criticism of the "CGI worlds" etc. in Episode II when, while occaisionally guilty of this, the film actually had more models used in it than any other feature film to date. Though That may be smashed by this film.

[BS Digital Q]

IMO, that shot of Grevious looked more like a video game with REALLY good graphics.

[Morgoth]

"General Grievous'? Goddammit, but ***** is a moron... Where are his cronies Major Malevolence and Lieutenant Larcenous? Just because you have a twenty word vocabulary George, doesn't mean people with an education do and using fairly common words to try and make 'sinister sounding' villain names is outright pathetic. Darth Maul, Darth (In)Sidious and Darth Tyrannus were stupid enough, but this is retarded even by *****' already retarded standards...

What I want to know is where are the men with the butterfly nets and why haven't they dragged this moron off to a looney bin yet?

[Sauron]

You forgot about 'Deputy Devil'... How one could forget about him is beyond me...

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