Heisei King Ghidorah's Strength. [Archive]

Mecha-Rodan

July 5th, 2005, 03:35 PM

off topic but ive argued this with mirren before and lost sadly because i hadnt watched GVSKG in ages. but when i finally got the time to sit down and watch i dont see what KG did to earn his uber-kaiju status with you guys. ill try and dig up a heisei ghidorah thread and would be more than happy to debate it there.
Good, now we don't have to clutter other people's threads with our bickering. ;)

Anyway, I certainly do not believe that Heisei King Ghidorah is an "Uber" kaiju (I'm talking Spacegodzilla and Destroyer power-levels) in any way. He is powerful, yes, but only about as powerful as Heisei Godzilla himself, seeing as they were made pretty much the same exact way. I'd also like to see some proof about how Heisei Ghidorah's beams are as powerful as Spacegodzilla's for myself. I do remember an argument of this sort, but I thought it was about how GMK Ghidorah's beams were compared to Legion's beam?

At any rate, the reason I debate Ghidorah's power with you, Reaper, is because you seem to severely underestimate him. He isn't an unstoppable raging god-like behemoth like his counterpart Grand Ghidorah, but he isn't the weakest of the Ghidorah's either. That title belongs to Showa Ghidorah, as much as I hate to say it. Showa Ghidorah's beams did little to nothing to the monsters he battled, except confuse them and sometimes knock them over. Heisei Ghidorah's beams, meanwhile, tore up the ground and blasted Godzilla with considerable force. Godzilla and Ghidorah shared a beam exchange, and none of Godzilla's beams had any effect on the creature, while his beams caused Godzilla to roar in pain. After kicking Godzilla over so hard that he made a CRATER, Ghidorah proceeded to slam all 70,000 tons of himself into Godzilla's prone body. Fortunately for Godzilla, he has the uncommon ability to be resistant to pretty much all forms of physical attack (the only things that ever seem to harm him are beams and occasionally missiles). Add to that the fact that the Futurians at that point lost control of King Ghidorah, startling and confusing the monster, who probably didn't remember anything since he was three seperate dorats (the Futurians managed to keep him from attacking humanity in the near near 40 years he had been Ghidorah). Godzilla then grabbed him and slammed him into the ground repeatedly before letting him go. Ghidorah immediately recognized his enemy, and despite his lack of memory on just about everything, he turned around and nearly killed Godzilla by choking him to death. Godzilla then used his nuclear pulse while Ghidorah was pretty much attached to him, which weakened his body severely. Ghidorah was tossed away by the Pulse, and then Godzilla blasted his center head off with his beam, and then tore up his wings, dropping him into the sea.

Now, up until Godzilla used the nuclear pulse, what part of that sounded weak?

Archaic_Avenger

July 5th, 2005, 03:59 PM

i haven't seen the movie in a while, and i'm glad of it. mostly because of house stinking confusing it was, but also because of how weak they made King Ghidorah. He wasn't deserving of the title King, or Ghidorah. he was a weak monster. he took an extreme beating. Showa Ghidorah (at first, at least) was powerful enough to take on anyone, probably could've taken on Heisei Godzilla (with some size variation). he was a just plain nearly invincable monster. now we get Heisei Ghidorah, a monster who couldn't fight against Godzilla near at all. the fact that he loses, where he should've creamed Godzilla, is enough to me to count him as weak. maybe not weak as a monster, but at least an extremely weak version of King Ghidorah. almost as weak as GMK Ghidorah...

Rodan2000

MirrenDono

July 5th, 2005, 04:34 PM

^ Showa Ghidorah's beams were weak as hell 75% of the time, they only left marks on Kaiju in Monster Zero. And he was fighting far weaker Kaiju than Heisi Godzilla, and being defeated by them.

Please don't spew such garbage that Heisi King Ghidorah is weak, or that Showa Ghidrah is anywhere near his power

EternalMothra

July 5th, 2005, 09:07 PM

I believe that Heisei King Ghidorah was quite strong. He put up an extrodinary battle against Godzilla. When the Futurians lost control, I think that is what messed things up for Ghidorah, like what Mecha-Rodan said, the monster became confused and disoriented, that caused problems on his part because it gave Godzilla the opportunity to attack him. This Ghidorah is very strong, and stood up against Godzilla valiantly.

Mecha74

July 5th, 2005, 10:45 PM

Heisei Ghidorah isn't weak, but he isn't on the same level as SG or Des either. He has formitable beams and the ability to shield himself from Goji's breath within his wings, something that no other kaiju has ever done. But at the same time he doesn't have any regen or instant KO attacks either, so I rate him as atleast average overall.

HolyGoji777

July 5th, 2005, 11:44 PM

Good, now we don't have to clutter other people's threads with our bickering. ;)

Anyway, I certainly do not believe that Heisei King Ghidorah is an "Uber" kaiju (I'm talking Spacegodzilla and Destroyer power-levels) in any way. He is powerful, yes, but only about as powerful as Heisei Godzilla himself, seeing as they were made pretty much the same exact way. I'd also like to see some proof about how Heisei Ghidorah's beams are as powerful as Spacegodzilla's for myself. I do remember an argument of this sort, but I thought it was about how GMK Ghidorah's beams were compared to Legion's beam?

At any rate, the reason I debate Ghidorah's power with you, Reaper, is because you seem to severely underestimate him. He isn't an unstoppable raging god-like behemoth like his counterpart Grand Ghidorah, but he isn't the weakest of the Ghidorah's either. That title belongs to Showa Ghidorah, as much as I hate to say it. Showa Ghidorah's beams did little to nothing to the monsters he battled, except confuse them and sometimes knock them over. Heisei Ghidorah's beams, meanwhile, tore up the ground and blasted Godzilla with considerable force. Godzilla and Ghidorah shared a beam exchange, and none of Godzilla's beams had any effect on the creature, while his beams caused Godzilla to roar in pain. After kicking Godzilla over so hard that he made a CRATER, Ghidorah proceeded to slam all 70,000 tons of himself into Godzilla's prone body. Fortunately for Godzilla, he has the uncommon ability to be resistant to pretty much all forms of physical attack (the only things that ever seem to harm him are beams and occasionally missiles). Add to that the fact that the Futurians at that point lost control of King Ghidorah, startling and confusing the monster, who probably didn't remember anything since he was three seperate dorats (the Futurians managed to keep him from attacking humanity in the near near 40 years he had been Ghidorah). Godzilla then grabbed him and slammed him into the ground repeatedly before letting him go. Ghidorah immediately recognized his enemy, and despite his lack of memory on just about everything, he turned around and nearly killed Godzilla by choking him to death. Godzilla then used his nuclear pulse while Ghidorah was pretty much attached to him, which weakened his body severely. Ghidorah was tossed away by the Pulse, and then Godzilla blasted his center head off with his beam, and then tore up his wings, dropping him into the sea.

Now, up until Godzilla used the nuclear pulse, what part of that sounded weak?

omg you cant even COMPARE HKG with Destoroyah. Des is near invincible. KG obviously wasnt. not even close.

lets see...KG'S power...hmm...how about the fact that Godzilla suffered no ill effects after the battle? he didnt even look tired. soo yeah that "AWESOME" beatdown KG gave him was so great he didnt even crawl in the corner to lick his wounds. sounds good to me.

KG is average at best. SG or Des would wipe the floor with him easier than goji would.

MirrenDono

July 6th, 2005, 12:11 AM

HolyGoji777

July 6th, 2005, 01:17 AM

^ You don't even listen to logic do you? What part of 'Ghidorah was annihilating Godzilla before human interferance' do you not get? Godzilla in no way whatsoever wiped the floor with him.

And Goji almost never walked away from a fight with ill effects. He walked away fine after his battles with Mechagodzilla, Rodan, and Spacegodzilla, and which in most of those fights was he nearly killed or beaten within an inch of his life.

Nice try, but you're still wrong

yeah but he didnt PROCEED TO ATTACK CITIES AFTER THOSE BATTLES. he returned to the sea after all of those, movie OVER. he didnt stick around to fight some more.

and yeah godzilla did wipe the floor with him...ghidorah held an advantage for a little bit and the fact that he was being controlled while he was supposedly "owning" godzilla is just more proof that hes weak because he needed human guidance to be effective against goji. after that he choked goji and proceeded to have his twin-tailed butt handed to him.

so yeah nice try to you too. but your argument is as flawed as you say mine is.

Mecha-Rodan

July 6th, 2005, 02:18 PM

lets see...KG'S power...hmm...how about the fact that Godzilla suffered no ill effects after the battle? he didnt even look tired. soo yeah that "AWESOME" beatdown KG gave him was so great he didnt even crawl in the corner to lick his wounds. sounds good to me.
Excuse me, but Godzilla did the exact same thing after being BROUGHT DOWN by Mechagodzilla TWICE. Granted, the second time, he had just recieved Rodan's energy, so he had an excuse to be all pumped up. Speaking of which, don't you remember that Godzilla went to Japan directly after he absorbed all of the Nuclear Energy from the sub and grew to his 100 meter form? I'd think at that point he hadn't used any of his new energy, and had plenty of it to share. In his later battles, he had used this energy already, so he wasn't as powerful as he was in GvsKG until Rodan revived him two years later.

KG is average at best. SG or Des would wipe the floor with him easier than goji would.
He is above average in his strength. The "average" monster would be something like Showa Ghidorah, who got his *** handed to him in every fight he ever joined/created. And before you say anything about the Heisei battle, Godzilla took him down, like I've said several times in this and other topics, because he had a weapon that hadn't been granted to any other version of him (except GFW Goji, but he's on a completely different plane of power...) But compared to SpaceGoji and Destroyer he is average, yes, like I've already said... I'm not trying to prove to you that Heisei Ghidorah is the most powerful monster ever or something, I'm just trying to show you that he isn't the weakling you say him to be. I mean, the ONLY time Godzilla was "owning" Ghidorah was 1) After the Nuclear Pulse, which is understandable if you actually try to think about it, and 2) when he was Mecha-King Ghidorah, who was pretty weak considering he was supposed to be more powerful than his biological predacessor...

yeah but he didnt PROCEED TO ATTACK CITIES AFTER THOSE BATTLES. he returned to the sea after all of those, movie OVER. he didnt stick around to fight some more.
Sure he did. Ever watch the first two battles of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II? Godzilla heads off to the sea and it doesn't take him any longer than it ever does to reach Japan and start blowing stuff up. Doesn't sound like he stopped to "lick his wounds," as you put it. Besides, he has near-impenatrable skin and regeneration, any physical damage he recieves is pretty much a non-factor. I mean, for christ sakes, before he even turned into Godzilla and had any unnatural mutations, his skin managed to halt American Battleship cannon shells from blowing him to smitherenes. And the second battle of MG2 is explained above...

and yeah godzilla did wipe the floor with him...ghidorah held an advantage for a little bit and the fact that he was being controlled while he was supposedly "owning" godzilla is just more proof that hes weak because he needed human guidance to be effective against goji. after that he choked goji and proceeded to have his twin-tailed butt handed to him.
Excuse me, but he needed human guidance? Did you even see him choking Godzilla? Sure doesn't look like he needed human guidance to do that. And I'm not sure if you remember this, but Ghidorah didn't have much of a choice about being controlled by the Futurians... :hmmm:

so yeah nice try to you too. but your argument is as flawed as you say mine is.
No its not, our argument is perfectly logical. Your the one looking at this film and seeing a creature that is weaker then all of the other variations of King Ghidorah, even though Heisei and Grand Ghidorah are the only ones who stand a chance in hell against the all-powerful Heisei Godzilla...

HolyGoji777

July 6th, 2005, 11:58 PM

Excuse me, but Godzilla did the exact same thing after being BROUGHT DOWN by Mechagodzilla TWICE. Granted, the second time, he had just recieved Rodan's energy, so he had an excuse to be all pumped up. Speaking of which, don't you remember that Godzilla went to Japan directly after he absorbed all of the Nuclear Energy from the sub and grew to his 100 meter form? I'd think at that point he hadn't used any of his new energy, and had plenty of it to share. In his later battles, he had used this energy already, so he wasn't as powerful as he was in GvsKG until Rodan revived him two years later.

He is above average in his strength. The "average" monster would be something like Showa Ghidorah, who got his *** handed to him in every fight he ever joined/created. And before you say anything about the Heisei battle, Godzilla took him down, like I've said several times in this and other topics, because he had a weapon that hadn't been granted to any other version of him (except GFW Goji, but he's on a completely different plane of power...) But compared to SpaceGoji and Destroyer he is average, yes, like I've already said... I'm not trying to prove to you that Heisei Ghidorah is the most powerful monster ever or something, I'm just trying to show you that he isn't the weakling you say him to be. I mean, the ONLY time Godzilla was "owning" Ghidorah was 1) After the Nuclear Pulse, which is understandable if you actually try to think about it, and 2) when he was Mecha-King Ghidorah, who was pretty weak considering he was supposed to be more powerful than his biological predacessor...

Sure he did. Ever watch the first two battles of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II? Godzilla heads off to the sea and it doesn't take him any longer than it ever does to reach Japan and start blowing stuff up. Doesn't sound like he stopped to "lick his wounds," as you put it. Besides, he has near-impenatrable skin and regeneration, any physical damage he recieves is pretty much a non-factor. I mean, for christ sakes, before he even turned into Godzilla and had any unnatural mutations, his skin managed to halt American Battleship cannon shells from blowing him to smitherenes. And the second battle of MG2 is explained above...

Excuse me, but he needed human guidance? Did you even see him choking Godzilla? Sure doesn't look like he needed human guidance to do that. And I'm not sure if you remember this, but Ghidorah didn't have much of a choice about being controlled by the Futurians... :hmmm:

No its not, our argument is perfectly logical. Your the one looking at this film and seeing a creature that is weaker then all of the other variations of King Ghidorah, even though Heisei and Grand Ghidorah are the only ones who stand a chance in hell against the all-powerful Heisei Godzilla...

the excuse that he used a weapon not granted to any other godzilla is pointless. he DID have it and used it. get over it

and i didnt say he needed human guidance but mirren brought up the point that he owned goji until the humans lost control...so i was using his own point
against him.

BUT when you think about after humans lost control goji owned him. he choked goji for like two seconds and goji got out of it using a move in his arsenal...nothing wrong with that. then proceeded to whoop on him and then his more powerful counterpart. hes weak.

Mecha-Rodan

July 7th, 2005, 12:19 AM

the excuse that he used a weapon not granted to any other godzilla is pointless. he DID have it and used it. get over it
I was never upset about it...

I was merely saying that he had a surprise attack for Ghidorah, who didn't know that he had it, and said attack is what turned the tables in Godzilla's favor.

BUT when you think about after humans lost control goji owned him. he choked goji for like two seconds and goji got out of it using a move in his arsenal...nothing wrong with that. then proceeded to whoop on him and then his more powerful counterpart. hes weak.
Two seconds? I know your not being literal but Ghidorah was choking Godzilla for at the very least a full minute. We get the sense of time passing because when we leave the two after they have just entered the death lock, Godzilla seems in perfect condition, and when we come back, he is spitting up radioactive foam while gurgling in agony. A minute may not seem like much but that entire battle was very quick and very brutal, and it doesn't take very long to crush the life out of something. And Mecha-King Ghidorah was NOT "more-powerful." He frail, in fact. Ghidorah took direct hits from Godzilla's beams and was pretty much unnaffected. MKG took direct hits from Godzilla's beam and was incapacitated...

I still fail to see why you believe he is "weak."

EternalMothra

July 7th, 2005, 12:19 AM

the excuse that he used a weapon not granted to any other godzilla is pointless. he DID have it and used it. get over it

and i didnt say he needed human guidance but mirren brought up the point that he owned goji until the humans lost control...so i was using his own point
against him.

BUT when you think about after humans lost control goji owned him. he choked goji for like two seconds and goji got out of it using a move in his arsenal...nothing wrong with that. then proceeded to whoop on him and then his more powerful counterpart. hes weak.

KG's not weak. KG was confused because the humans lost control. If you were a little child and your mother left, wouldn't you be confused? That is practically the same instance with KG. He eventually came back to normal after Godzilla started beating on him and he realized he had to defend himself so he tried choking Godzilla. He wasn't weak, if the humans wouldn't have lost control KG might have defeated Goji.

ghidorahsaurus

July 7th, 2005, 07:57 AM

Strength
Heisei King Ghidorah puts his size, mass, and strength to good use. He physically pounded and strangled Heisei Godzilla. Has any other Heisei foe simply walked up to Godzilla and physically abused him? Well, yes, Biollante utilized her vines and Destroyah clenched Godzilla with his tail. However, with the exception of Biollante, has any adversary physically beaten Godzilla when they were both on equal ground (Destroyah had already floored him before using the tail)? The only other kaiju I can think of is Rodan, with his in-your-face ferocity. In my opinion, Heisei King Ghidorah is a good physical brawler.

Durability
Heisei King Ghidorah shrugged off Heisei Godzilla’s radioactive blasts as if they were nothing. What is the list of other kaiju sturdy enough to say the same? Battra Larva, MechaGodzilla, Space Godzilla, and Destroyah. Battra Larva has tough armor. MechaGodzilla was designed to take Godzilla’s atomic weapon and use it against him. Space Godzilla was basically an evil doppelganger. Destroyah is just tough as snot. How have other kaiju faired? Biollante burst and bled upon every strike, only her amazing regeneration kept her in the fight. Larva Mothra was thrown about. Adult Battra and adult Mothra screamed and smoked upon being hit. Rodan was knocked out by a concentrated blast. MechaKing Ghidorah seemed to sustain damage each time it was hit. So, until King Ghidorah’s neck was weakened by the nuclear pulse, he withstood Godzilla’s atomic spew just as well as the uber kaiju.

Firepower
When Heisei King Ghidorah’s gravity/electric bolts struck the ground, the resulting explosions were fairly impressive. They were powerful enough to drive Godzilla back. They are obviously more powerful than, say, Showa King Ghidorah’s bolts, which seemed to at worst annoy and at best slightly burn his enemies. This is the one area where I feel MechaKing Ghidorah was an improvement, as his beams really made Godzilla give ground.

Fight Record
Sure, Heisei King Ghidorah was defeated by Godzilla. However, he had Godzilla against the ropes on two different occasions, giving the viewer the feeling, “Maybe this thing can defeat Godzilla!” Others may not have gotten this impression, but I sure did. Now, how many other kaiju had Godzilla on the brink of defeat? MechaGodzilla, a robotic kaiju designed and built with the sole purpose of defeating Godzilla and piloted by humans trained with the knowledge of Godzilla’s tendencies, strengths, and weaknesses. In addition, it took the combined forces of adult Battra and adult Mothra to “defeat” Godzilla (a knockout and throw to sea). Godzilla may have taken a pounding from the likes of Biollante, Space Godzilla, and Destroyah, but did you feel any of these other adversaries were going to beat Godzilla? I never really got the feeling Godzilla was in serious trouble or could die at any instant in those battles. He just kept wading through injury and pain and fought back.

In conclusion, I feel Heisei King Ghidorah is an excellent combatant, and one of the strongest kaiju out there. Only when Godzilla either luckily or smartly targeted a weakness was he able to defeat King Ghidorah. Plus, keep in mind, it only makes sense all other Ghidorah’s have this same weakness – three different long, relatively skinny (by kaiju standards) necks. Godzilla just happened to be the only foe to target this weakness with a weapon possessing the necessary explosive power and force to make a difference.

godzillamoviemaster

July 7th, 2005, 02:03 PM

Heisei kG is one tough cookie. Not exactly invinsible, but tough. Where to start....

OK. KG's bolts here are powerful. They blew apart biuldings and visibly hurt Godzilla. Phisicly, he is strong. With no arms, close combat is difficult, but he did very well.
In fact the only real weakness I see that he has is in his intelligence. He was doing very well when under controll, but as soon as he was let go, he got stomped.
And for those who think he is weak, I have some stuff to argue with. First off, when he was under controll, wern't all of the human characters in concencious that Godzilla was going to die? ghidorah had him in positions that Godzilla could have died in a few times.(jumping on him, choking him, ect). Second, Ghidorah was killed by HEISEI GODZILLA, the toughest of all Godzilla's easily. And this power house was nearly killed by KG. so think about THAT one.

darthzilla99

July 7th, 2005, 02:08 PM

Something I liked to add,

On the planet x battle, all rodan did to help godzilla in that fight was drop a rock on king ghidorah. The rest of the time godzilla was doing the fighting.

and reaper, given your argument that heisei king ghidorah was under human control, most of the fights showa king ghidorah was in he was under some sort of outside control.

Gorjirus

July 7th, 2005, 08:38 PM

King Ghidorah lost only becuase 1) human's lost control and 2) he tried to go HtH without the hands!

If Ghidorah, when human's lost control, had taken flight and stayed there, he would have been fine. But in going up to Godzilla, he made a tacticle error.

Strong, yes. Smart? Not so much. Intelligence is more of the issue with him.

MirrenDono

July 7th, 2005, 09:39 PM

^ Not so much. He was actually very intelligent in that phase

He performed a manuver that completely stopped Godzilla in his tracks. He stopped him from using his beam *the nasty choke which nearly killed him* and he clamped the side heads onto Godzilla's arms, holding him off from any physical combat for a while.

He couldn't have suspected the nuclear pulse, so that doesn't dampen his intellect.

I for one think he's a very intelligent, calculating monster.

kent

July 7th, 2005, 09:47 PM

yeah but he didnt PROCEED TO ATTACK CITIES AFTER THOSE BATTLES. he returned to the sea after all of those, movie OVER. he didnt stick around to fight some more.

WRONG WRONG WRONG! Remember Godzilla's first battle with MG in G Vs. MG II? Godzilla was near death and he proceeded to attack a city just like he did in G Vs. KG.

and yeah godzilla did wipe the floor with him...

You wanna know why? The Futurians lost control and KG was literally phased the whole time. It's like if you got into a fight and someone stunned you with a stun gun. You would not be yourself for a while after that stun. But you know what? KG, even under the Futurians control, fought his own battle. The Futurians didn't walk him through a battle like you would a video game character. They told him to kill and he did it very well until the Futurians computer was destroyed. If he weren't phased, well, Godzilla would be no more.

ghidorah held an advantage for a little bit and the fact that he was being controlled while he was supposedly "owning" godzilla is just more proof that hes weak because he needed human guidance to be effective against goji.

Watch the whole battle sequence carefully. Did the Futurians ever tell Ghidorah to kick, jump, beam, etc? No. They just told it to fight Godzilla and it did the rest. Being under the control of someone doesn't make you weak. If a rhino is under the control of some hypnotist, does that make the rhino weak? No. KG did everything. All it needed to be told was to ATTACK GODZILLA.

after that he choked goji and proceeded to have his twin-tailed butt handed to him.

Only because Godzilla had the pulse. KG didn't know he had it. So really it was the most logical reason at the moment.

UT when you think about after humans lost control goji owned him. he choked goji for like two seconds and goji got out of it using a move in his arsenal

LOL. It was longer than two seconds. KG had Godzilla in that hold for at least a few minutes. That's pretty impressive going up against a MORE POWERFUL GODZILLA.

then proceeded to whoop on him and then his more powerful counterpart.

As I stated earlier, he was stunned. Whether he attacked Godzilla without mind control or not, KG had Godzilla from the very first sight. Being stunned takes you out of your element for a little while, opening the window for your opponent; which is what happened here. And don't forget Godzilla got his butt whooped on for a much longer period of time than KG. Surprised to not hear you say Godzilla is weak.

hes weak.

^ Look earlier in my post for my reply to this.

teodesetkata

December 26th, 2006, 03:35 PM

I don't think Heisei King Ghidorah is weak. (My avatar becomes angry.) I think he is strong. And I don't need to explain, because all of the other kajiu members told us all about his advantages. He was attacked by Godzilla's atomic ray not twice - many times. And for him, it was just like "more to the left, please...". Let's take Biollante. She nearly died after Godzilla's first attack. My favourite kajiu is HKG, and my most unfavourite kajiu - SKG. (Showa King Ghidorah.) I know that this may sound stupid, but it is true... I hate Showa King Ghidrorah's yells, songs and other things. Plus that, Showa King Ghidorah is weaker 100 times than Heisei KG.

EternalMothra

December 26th, 2006, 05:14 PM

This looks like a topic that should go in the fan nest Kaijuology area.

Light Surge

December 29th, 2006, 08:29 AM

Time to change the tides of this topic.

HKG is weak. Not impressive and his beams suck. The frickin dragon is just so damn overrated.

Try answering these now. I'am pretty sure many of you have changed by the years.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14519

HKG is not even close to the level of Mechagodzilla, Space godzilla , Biollante or Destroyah for the Heisei series. Few of the showa kaijus can also beat him if scaled to Heisei standard.

Fire rodan does stand a chance to beat him although the size factor makes this unlikely. Be sure to expect that it would be one hell of a fight, considering what regular rodan put up with a more angry heisei godzilla.

Mothra now is the weakest of the Heisei kaijus, second to MKG so there is no way she could be compared to HKG in strength. Battra however has the potential to put up a fight against HKG, Both larva and adult. We should try to look at Mothra with battra as a team since their individual powers are not up to the mark for the Heisei series.

Orga777

December 29th, 2006, 01:00 PM

HKG is not even close to the level of Mechagodzilla, Space godzilla , Biollante or Destroyah for the Heisei series. Few of the showa kaijus can also beat him if scaled to Heisei standard.

Biollante would be beaten since the DD brought out the fact that the beams are very well atomic in nature which will screw with Bio. SG kills him easily. Destroyah demolishes him even easier. SMG would win due to the absorption. Lets look at the other Heisei kaiju though. Rodan, too small to hurt KG will get stomped into the ground. Battra larva no chance. Gets stomped into teh ground. Same with teh adult. Ad Mothra to that list as well. As for MOG... welll Penguin Bot and KG are very even. MOG has the edge in weaponry and defense though but is slower.

Mothra now is the weakest of the Heisei kaijus, second to MKG so there is no way she could be compared to HKG in strength. Battra however has the potential to put up a fight against HKG, Both larva and adult. We should try to look at Mothra with battra as a team since their individual powers are not up to the mark for the Heisei series.

Wait... Mothra is weaker than Battra but yet Mothra was stated to have defeated Battra? You need to re-work your theory.

Light Surge

December 29th, 2006, 02:31 PM

Oh please...

Biollante would be beaten since the DD brought out the fact that the beams are very well atomic in nature which will screw with Bio.

No. Biollante's regeneration and HKG's rather clumzy strategy of fighting is going to lead to Biollante's victory. Godzilla could not beat her, what makes you think HKG could.

You see, ghiddy's beams suck and most of the shots it fired miss. If HKG does manage to get some shots in, Bio would regenerate them. Now lets see what Bio could do...

Bio could stab and skew two or all of HKG's Heads, and unlike godzilla, HKG would not be able to remove it with that much ease as he has no hands. If this happens HKG's beam sources are gonna be nulled. Bio's acid would most definitely cripply HKG because it also has some of godzilla's atomic properties and we all saw what happened to HKG whenever he was hit by G91's beam. Bio could also rather swiftly much one of HKG's heads. I bet the tentacles would work great against ghidorah as he would be struggling like a rat in a mouse trap.

SG kills him easily. Destroyah demolishes him even easier.

SMG would win due to the absorption.

MG would win because of every weapon he has except the missles maybe but I'am sure they would bust his golden *** slighly. After all, G93's skin had mini craters in them after getting shot by em and the first ones made G93 all panicky as small chunks of his skin were fliying everwhere. No way ghidorah is going to stand a chance against him. Even GKG had tough competition with him in DD.

Lets look at the other Heisei kaiju though. Rodan, too small to hurt KG will get stomped into the ground.

Rodan is too fast to be shot by any of ghidorah's beams. MG's beam hit rodan because they were mechanically aimed. Just look at how godzilla missed about 70 % of the shots he fired at rodan in their first battle. Rodan's strenght and aggressive fighting is also impressive. He knocked down godzilla and pecked him hard across the face. He pecked MG even harder. If he does something like that to ghidorah, then ghidorah would have a tougher time trying to get him off as he would be all over him and his necks in the battle. Godzilla was able to grab rodan's neck and choke him, yet rodan being the swift ******* that he is, escaped his clutches. Ghidorah's bites are hardly that strong and rodan is sure to escape if he gets off. As for the stomping, we all saw how rodan survived being stomped by G93 rather aggressively. Many factors are going in rodan's favor. Oh and rodan's beam is sure to damage ghidorah too if he recieves to many shots. The only reason I'am abstaining here is because rodan is smaller then ghidorah.

Battra larva no chance. Gets stomped into teh ground. Same with teh adult. Ad Mothra to that list as well.

Mothra yes. Battra maybe.

As for MOG... welll Penguin Bot and KG are very even. MOG has the edge in weaponry and defense though but is slower.

No **** sherlock, HKG is light years behind the G-force mechs. Not even close. Barely in that league.

Orga777

December 30th, 2006, 12:01 PM

No. Biollante's regeneration and HKG's rather clumzy strategy of fighting is going to lead to Biollante's victory. Godzilla could not beat her, what makes you think HKG could.

Are you ingnoring the fact that atmoic beams are Biollante's weakness? And since Biollante is so large he won't miss. Not to mention he has three beams which will cover more area which will eventually cause Biollante to retreat due to the damage she will sustain. And I already showed proof that the beams don't miss as much as you claim. Like I said before. Find a way to see those videos.

Bio could stab and skew two or all of HKG's Heads, and unlike godzilla, HKG would not be able to remove it with that much ease as he has no hands. If this happens HKG's beam sources are gonna be nulled. Bio's acid would most definitely cripply HKG because it also has some of godzilla's atomic properties and we all saw what happened to HKG whenever he was hit by G91's beam. Bio could also rather swiftly much one of HKG's heads. I bet the tentacles would work great against ghidorah as he would be struggling like a rat in a mouse trap.

We did see what happened when he was hit by Heisei Goji's beams. NOthing happened till the Pulse. No damage was out on KG at all. And KG can just BLAST the tentacles that are impaled in him to get away. Or you know, he can fly out of range as well.

MG would win because of every weapon he has except the missles maybe but I'am sure they would bust his golden *** slighly. After all, G93's skin had mini craters in them after getting shot by em and the first ones made G93 all panicky as small chunks of his skin were fliying everwhere. No way ghidorah is going to stand a chance against him. Even GKG had tough competition with him in DD.

Yea, but first off it was shown that very possibly KG has been able to blast chunks out of Heisei goji as well. And you claim those beams are weak. Or you just dismissed that fact that it happened.

Rodan is too fast to be shot by any of ghidorah's beams. MG's beam hit rodan because they were mechanically aimed.

Please. Rodan is stiff and not very manuverable. He always seems to like going at beam spammers faces which would mean he will be blasted out of the damn air very quickly.

Just look at how godzilla missed about 70 % of the shots he fired at rodan in their first battle. Rodan's strenght and aggressive fighting is also impressive.

He is TOO aggressive. Which is why he got beat down by both Goji and MG when he could possibly have won against Goji if he didn't get into his face like he did.

He knocked down godzilla and pecked him hard across the face. He pecked MG even harder. If he does something like that to ghidorah, then ghidorah would have a tougher time trying to get him off as he would be all over him and his necks in the battle. Godzilla was able to grab rodan's neck and choke him, yet rodan being the swift ******* that he is, escaped his clutches. Ghidorah's bites are hardly that strong and rodan is sure to escape if he gets off.

Ghidroah's bites were able to keep Heisei Godzilla from budging out of his grasp. The same Godzilla that picked Heisei ghidroah up and tossed him like a rag doll. So if the bites are so weak then how come Goji couldn't break out of it?

As for the stomping, we all saw how rodan survived being stomped by G93 rather aggressively. Many factors are going in rodan's favor. Oh and rodan's beam is sure to damage ghidorah too if he recieves to many shots. The only reason I'am abstaining here is because rodan is smaller then ghidorah.

Ghidorah weighs more than Goji. His stomps will hurt a hole lot more.

No **** sherlock, HKG is light years behind the G-force mechs. Not even close. Barely in that league.

WRONG. He has a shot against MOG beacuse of the speed issue, and the only reason MG can beat him is the absorption which Ghidorah can't get around.

EternalMothra

December 30th, 2006, 12:20 PM

Mothra now is the weakest of the Heisei kaijus, second to MKG so there is no way she could be compared to HKG in strength. Battra however has the potential to put up a fight against HKG, Both larva and adult. We should try to look at Mothra with battra as a team since their individual powers are not up to the mark for the Heisei series.

May I kindly ask how you came to that conclusion? Mothra put up a better fight against Godzilla than a good number of the Heisei kaiju. (Battra, Rodan...I seriously think she put up a better fight than MkG as well). Plus, her beams seemed to be the only ones (aside from MG, SG, and Dessys) that actually harmed Goji. And how many kaiju in the Heisei series did Godzilla's beam not harm let me see:

It harmed Biollante
It harmed Ghidorah (blew holes in the poor things wings)-however he was weakened from the nuclear pulse too.
Definately harmed HKG
It harmed Battra
It harmed Rodan
It harmed SpaceGodzilla
It harmed Destroyah

Is there any left? Yes, it did not harm Mothra or Mechagodzilla. MG though is an exception due to his diamond armor. Mothra just flew right through the beam with out it even hurting her, she didn't even screech. Also, Godzilla shot her right in the face. I rest my case.

Gorjirus

December 30th, 2006, 02:40 PM

It harmed Battra

AFTER Godzilla has bitten chewed a hole in his hide and fired his beam straight into Battra's insides. Before that, Battra completely ignored it (though the force might have blown him backwards once.

WRONG. He has a shot against MOG beacuse of the speed issue, and the only reason MG can beat him is the absorption which Ghidorah can't get around.

If by speed you mean, gets behind MOGUERA at all times. Because if it is in front of MOGUERA, KG would get hit and hit hard by MOGUERA's weaponry.

EternalMothra

December 30th, 2006, 05:15 PM

AFTER Godzilla has bitten chewed a hole in his hide and fired his beam straight into Battra's insides. Before that, Battra completely ignored it (though the force might have blown him backwards once.

Very true, I forgot to make that point lol. ;)

Orga777

December 30th, 2006, 06:47 PM

EM there are a few things that bother me with your post...

It harmed Biollante

Ok.

It harmed Ghidorah (blew holes in the poor things wings)-however he was weakened from the nuclear pulse too.

That was the only reason.

Definately harmed HKG

Wrong. Only the wings were damaged. MKG took beam after beam with no damage done to the mech at all. It isn't MKG's fault Emmy was a lousy pilot.

It harmed Battra

Gor covered this.

It harmed Rodan

Not really. Only that last blast and that was after taking a lot of trauma.

It harmed SpaceGodzilla

When?

It harmed Destroyah

Burning Goji is very diffrent then regular heisei Goji.

To put it simply, outside of Biollante Heisei Godzilla's beam has never done jack to anything.

If by speed you mean, gets behind MOGUERA at all times. Because if it is in front of MOGUERA, KG would get hit and hit hard by MOGUERA's weaponry.

I don't agree at all. Now if the missiles hit Ghidorah, well he is screwed. But he should be able to take a lot of the other beams rather well. And if MOG gets stomped on like what happened to Goji I don't think the mech can take that kind of physical punishment. It also helps that the MOGUERA crew is probably the worst crew ever assembled for a movie. :laugh:

EternalMothra

December 30th, 2006, 06:57 PM

Wrong. Only the wings were damaged. MKG took beam after beam with no damage done to the mech at all. It isn't MKG's fault Emmy was a lousy pilot.

When he was hit he recoiled, looked like it caused damage/pain.

Not really. Only that last blast and that was after taking a lot of trauma.

He was thrown backward once, another time he squawked when he got hit.....That's affecting my friend. ;)

When?

On the island he hit SG once and he roared in while backing away from Little Godzilla.

Orga777

December 30th, 2006, 07:22 PM

When he was hit he recoiled, looked like it caused damage/pain.

I do not recall MKG ever recoiling. At all.

He was thrown backward once, another time he squawked when he got hit.....That's affecting my friend. ;)

But he always got right back up with NO damage. That is until that last one.

On the island he hit SG once and he roared in while backing away from Little Godzilla.

So? Then you have that entire 40 minute battle where he isn't even bothered by the beam.

EternalMothra

December 30th, 2006, 09:12 PM

I do not recall MKG ever recoiling. At all.

When he was hit in the chest, he recoiled and roared...It looked like it effected him.

But he always got right back up with NO damage. That is until that last one.

It still hurt him nevertheless, but I do agree with the latter fact. ;)

So? Then you have that entire 40 minute battle where he isn't even bothered by the beam.

When it did effect him it was certainly obvious. As to how it didn't effect him at times, I have not the foggiest idea. ;)

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 07:27 AM

Are you ingnoring the fact that atmoic beams are Biollante's weakness? And since Biollante is so large he won't miss. Not to mention he has three beams which will cover more area which will eventually cause Biollante to retreat due to the damage she will sustain. And I already showed proof that the beams don't miss as much as you claim. Like I said before. Find a way to see those videos.

I have already answered this question.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14519

post 14

No way is HKG's weak *** beams going to hurt Bio.

We did see what happened when he was hit by Heisei Goji's beams. NOthing happened till the Pulse. No damage was out on KG at all. And KG can just BLAST the tentacles that are impaled in him to get away. Or you know, he can fly out of range as well.

Again, I have answered this before.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411

and ghiddy can't escape Bio's wrath once she has her grasp on him.

Yea, but first off it was shown that very possibly KG has been able to blast chunks out of Heisei goji as well. And you claim those beams are weak. Or you just dismissed that fact that it happened

Oh, I already answered that before too.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411

Read from onwards post 14

Please. Rodan is stiff and not very manuverable. He always seems to like going at beam spammers faces which would mean he will be blasted out of the damn air very quickly.

Could not be more false then that. Even if he seems to like going at the beam spammers faces( which he does not, as depicted in the first fight with G93), he always does some serious damage to his victims before fleeing off (its a strategy, hit and run). It affected godzilla 93, a more supperior version then the 91 version in experience and all, It affected mechagodzilla, A robot that does not feel pain. In ghidorah's case, its a one hit sucker punch that would throw the dragon in a world of disorientation through its heads.

He is TOO aggressive. Which is why he got beat down by both Goji and MG when he could possibly have won against Goji if he didn't get into his face like he did.

He is too aggressive when he is given the oppertunity to hurt his foes. No doubt he gets cocky at times but overall he does good. MG was a machine, rodan did his best to injure MG as much as he could before his evidently near dead situation. He layed the beat down on G93 really well. The only mistake he did was closing in on a downed godzilla and get its head hammered by Godzilla's tail.

Ghidroah's bites were able to keep Heisei Godzilla from budging out of his grasp. The same Godzilla that picked Heisei ghidroah up and tossed him like a rag doll. So if the bites are so weak then how come Goji couldn't break out of it?

There is nothing big about grasping G91. He is already so slow and less aggressive with little manuevering in this movie, that ghidorah really did not need to make an effort to grasp him.

Ghidorah weighs more than Goji. His stomps will hurt a hole lot more.

OH WOW... People I strongly advise you to read

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411

post 4, second last line in this post. Incase orga edits that,

here is what he wrote:

Goji does weigh a hole lot more than MKG does after all.

which is correct. G91 weights more then Heisei ghidorah.

As for orga..

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14519

Read post 8,11 and 14.

WRONG. He has a shot against MOG beacuse of the speed issue, and the only reason MG can beat him is the absorption which Ghidorah can't get around.

Ghidorah does not stand a chance against MG or MOG because of almost every weapon they possess. G-force pwnz futurian crap.

I don't agree at all. Now if the missiles hit Ghidorah, well he is screwed. But he should be able to take a lot of the other beams rather well. And if MOG gets stomped on like what happened to Goji I don't think the mech can take that kind of physical punishment. It also helps that the MOGUERA crew is probably the worst crew ever assembled for a movie.

Give it up orga. HKG's stomp sucks big time. MOG and SMG could just kill HKG within a few minutes of beam exchanges and overkill him if they decide to use their special attacks (SGM and shock anchors). HKG is lower then them. For the size he gets, he ranks somewhere near Mothra and Rodan in the Heisei series.

Against Spacegodzilla, a few corona beams should take him out within seconds. Against destroyah, its overkill, as destroy can kill him in less then 10 seconds Using his horn kitana and tail then dissolve him in OD.

May I kindly ask how you came to that conclusion? Mothra put up a better fight against Godzilla than a good number of the Heisei kaiju. (Battra, Rodan...I seriously think she put up a better fight than MkG as well). Plus, her beams seemed to be the only ones (aside from MG, SG, and Dessys) that actually harmed Goji. And how many kaiju in the Heisei series did Godzilla's beam not harm let me see:

It harmed Biollante
It harmed Ghidorah (blew holes in the poor things wings)-however he was weakened from the nuclear pulse too.
Definately harmed HKG
It harmed Battra
It harmed Rodan
It harmed SpaceGodzilla
It harmed Destroyah

Is there any left? Yes, it did not harm Mothra or Mechagodzilla. MG though is an exception due to his diamond armor. Mothra just flew right through the beam with out it even hurting her, she didn't even screech. Also, Godzilla shot her right in the face. I rest my case.

Sigh, EM you have not changed from my last visit in Kaiju Galaxy. LGM had already proven you wrong their in many occasions. No offence, but It was funny whenver LGM and Omegarex were locked in a debate with you or Biochemetra.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 12:26 PM

No way is HKG's weak *** beams going to hurt Bio.

Ghidorah's beams are atomic based in that movie since he was created the exact same way Godzilla was.

Sigh, EM you have not changed from my last visit in Kaiju Galaxy. LGM had already proven you wrong their in many occasions. No offence, but It was funny whenver LGM and Omegarex were locked in a debate with you or Biochemetra.

I do not recall any occaison when they proved me wrong in this instance. In fact, I am willing to believe you are saying this because you have nothing to combat what I proved. The reason it is funny when LGM and Omegarex are in debate is that they barely state any evidence and base most of what they say off from their opinions. Besides, why are you even going into a discussion about what happens on other boards? This is KP, not KG or TK.

Against Spacegodzilla, a few corona beams should take him out within seconds. Against destroyah, its overkill, as destroy can kill him in less then 10 seconds Using his horn kitana and tail then dissolve him in OD.

Also, what is this crap?^ That is not evidence, it is mere speculations. Determining a kaiju's strength isn't, "oh this kaiju could beat him in 10 seconds." That is opinionated guesses that have no bearing whatsoever.

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 02:00 PM

Ghidorah's beams are atomic based in that movie since he was created the exact same way Godzilla was.

Its still not going to do much to bio when we look at her incredible regeneration.

I do not recall any occaison when they proved me wrong in this instance.

Well, if you can dig up some of the older topics in your forum's grave, then maybe I can link it here. At times thing got a little out of control. You would not lie to everyone now would you. It did happen, didn't it?

In fact, I am willing to believe you are saying this because you have nothing to combat what I proved.

Yes Donny, I'am listening. Somehow what you say seems rather fimiliar...

Something I have seen you post to some of the TK members in your forum in the past including LGM and Omega-rex.

Tell you what. I'am going to withdraw from this mothra debate and continue with HKG Since this topic is about him.

The reason it is funny when LGM and Omegarex are in debate is that they barely state any evidence and base most of what they say off from their opinions.

Yes, EM.. whatever you say.

Besides, why are you even going into a discussion about what happens on other boards? This is KP, not KG or TK.

Because LGM has already cut out the job for me. Unless you are going to target me and my interests, I'am not going to start any debate with you anytime soon. Besides why are we arguing if we are KGers.

Also, what is this crap?^ That is not evidence, it is mere speculations. Determining a kaiju's strength isn't, "oh this kaiju could beat him in 10 seconds." That is opinionated guesses that have no bearing whatsoever.

Listen EM, Firstly being rude is not going to help.

Secondly, What I have said is true whether you call it a speculation or whatever. Destroyah could easily decapitite HKG with his laser horn katana, killing him in less then 10 secs.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 02:06 PM

Its still not going to do much to bio when we look at her incredible regeneration.

It'll do about the same as what Goji's beam did.

Well, if you can dig up some of the older topics in your forum's grave, then maybe I can link it here. At times thing got a little out of control. You would not lie to everyone now would you. It did happen, didn't it?

It did happen a few times yes, but how long ago was that, three or four months? Yeah, people can change a lot in that amount of time.

Yes Donny, I'am listening. Somehow what you say seems rather fimiliar...

Something I have seen you post to some of the TK members in the past including LGM and Omega-rex.

Tell you what. I'am going to withdrawing from this mothra debate and continue with HKG Since this topic is about him.

Good, get back on topic then. ;) You originally changed the topic and started on me.

Yes, EM.. whatever you say.

I figured you could think of anything to say.

Unless you are going to target me and my interests, I'am not going to start any debate with you anytime soon. Besides why are we arguing if we are KGers.

I'm not targeting your interests, I was simply debating with you and proving you wrong. ;)

Listen EM, I'am not going to debate or speak with you if you are going to be rude like that.

If thats how you like it, then fine. Its not going to help though.

I wasn't being rude, and if you took it that way, I'm sorry. I was stating how blindly making ideas with out any fact does not provide any crucial evidence to back up your ideas.

What I have said is true. Destroyah could easily decapitite HKG with his laser horn katana, killing him in less then 10 secs.

Ghidorah flies through most of his battling, so it is unlikely Dessy would katana him in the first 10 seconds of the battle. ;) Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Dessy would beat him eventually, but I doubt it will be that quickly, since this Ghidorah is not a bad fighter and uses his beams 80% of the time.

Seer235

December 31st, 2006, 02:10 PM

Secondly, What I have said is true whether you call it a speculation or whatever. Destroyah could easily decapitite HKG with his laser horn katana, killing him in less then 10 secs.

Destroyah could have done the same to Godzilla. Irys could have stabbed Gamera in the eyes with her tentacles. Lots of things could have happened. Godzilla could have used the spiral beam the first time he faced Space Godzilla (assuming you think he can use it at will). Battle tactics are rather important in a kaiju fight debate. Destroyah used the horn katana once, and in the chest. It does not appear that Dessy relies on it at all in a battle.

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 02:32 PM

It'll do about the same as what Goji's beam did.

No it won't. I have already wrote an essay over why HKG's beams are pathetic. Don't you start overrating him now.

You originally changed the topic and started on me.

I did not. I was not even talking to you.

I figured you could think of anything to say.

Don't get cocky now...

I'm not targeting your interests, I was simply debating with you and proving you wrong.

How can you debate with me When I'am not debating with you?

I was stating how blindly making ideas with out any fact does not provide any crucial evidence to back up your ideas.

Well, I know HKG is weak and destroyah's katana did seem to cut deep into MELTDOWN Goji thereby, HKG losses his necks. Maybe one of his necks may survive but, again Destroyah is going to brutally stick its tail into it and drag ghidorah and drain its energy till it does.

I have already provided evidence for why I see HKG is weak and pethatic. You have to look into them, but again, we are not debating so it makes no difference.

Ghidorah flies through most of his battling, so it is unlikely Dessy would katana him in the first 10 seconds of the battle. ;) Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Dessy would beat him eventually, but I doubt it will be that quickly, since this Ghidorah is not a bad fighter and uses his beams 80% of the time.

No

Destroyah could have done the same to Godzilla. Irys could have stabbed Gamera in the eyes with her tentacles. Lots of things could have happened. Godzilla could have used the spiral beam the first time he faced Space Godzilla (assuming you think he can use it at will). Battle tactics are rather important in a kaiju fight debate. Destroyah used the horn katana once, and in the chest. It does not appear that Dessy relies on it at all in a battle.

Except Godzilla was tougher and virtually more difficult to cut then ghidorah would be. I mean look at Ghiddy's body structure. There is only his three necks and his chest which take up half his height. One swipe of Destroyah's horn katana is sure to take out two heads if not three.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 02:46 PM

No it won't. I have already wrote an essay over why HKG's beams are pathetic. Don't you start overrating him now.

In fact, they'd probably cause more damage than Goji's since there are three beams made of the energy that so happens to be Biollante's weakeness.

I did not. I was not even talking to you.

Lets just get back on the topic, if you want to argue, sorry I don't have the time.

How can you debate with me if I'am not debating with you?

Because I posted facts and you are responding to me, that is called "debating".

Well, I know HKG is weak and destroyah's katana did seem to cut deep into MELTDOWN Goji thereby, HKG losses his necks. Maybe one of his necks may survive but, again Destroyah is going to brutally stick its tail into it and drag ghidorah and drain its energy till it does.

I have already provided evidence for why I see HKG is weak and pethatic. You have to look into them, but again, we are not debating so it makes no difference.

Have you even thought about the circumstances in which was occuring during his battle with Godzilla? The Futurians lost control of HKG, who was pretty much pwning Godzilla until then. After that, Ghidorah was confused. So if nothing would have happened to the Futurians, Ghidorah probably would have defeated Godzilla. I don't see why you are talking to me like I do not know anything, I have debated about this quite a few times so I do know what I'm talking about.

No

Okay, Ghidorah doesn't fly at all, does that satisfy you?

Except Godzilla was tougher and virtually more difficult to cut then ghidorah would be. I mean look at Ghiddy's body structure. There is only his three necks and his chest which take up half his height. One swipe of Destroyah's horn katana is sure to take out two heads if not three.

How do we know that Godzilla's hide is tougher than HKG's? Was HKG ever cut? No he wasn't. In fact, with even one of his head blown off, he still was able to move around and even fly.

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 03:02 PM

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No it won't. I have already wrote an essay over why HKG's beams are pathetic. Don't you start overrating him now.

In fact, they'd probably cause more damage than Goji's since there are three beams made of the energy that so happens to be Biollante's weakeness.

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I did not. I was not even talking to you.

Lets just get back on the topic, if you want to argue, sorry I don't have the time.

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How can you debate with me if I'am not debating with you?

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Because I posted facts and you are responding to me, that is called "debating".

Well, I know HKG is weak and destroyah's katana did seem to cut deep into MELTDOWN Goji thereby, HKG losses his necks. Maybe one of his necks may survive but, again Destroyah is going to brutally stick its tail into it and drag ghidorah and drain its energy till it does.

I have already provided evidence for why I see HKG is weak and pethatic. You have to look into them, but again, we are not debating so it makes no difference.

Have you even thought about the circumstances in which was occuring during his battle with Godzilla? The Futurians lost control of HKG, who was pretty much pwning Godzilla until then. After that, Ghidorah was confused. So if nothing would have happened to the Futurians, Ghidorah probably would have defeated Godzilla. I don't see why you are talking to me like I do not know anything, I have debated about this quite a few times so I do know what I'm talking about.

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No

Okay, Ghidorah doesn't fly at all, does that satisfy you?

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Except Godzilla was tougher and virtually more difficult to cut then ghidorah would be. I mean look at Ghiddy's body structure. There is only his three necks and his chest which take up half his height. One swipe of Destroyah's horn katana is sure to take out two heads if not three.

How do we know that Godzilla's hide is tougher than HKG's? Was HKG ever cut? No he wasn't. In fact, with even one of his head blown off, he still was able to move around and even fly.

You know EM, I have countered 100 % of what you are saying over the links I have provided. How?

Because orga used the same crap again and again and again, up till the point I realised that he is ignoring my answers so I would need to bring them up again instead of re-writing the whole essay again.

Now I'am asking you this nice,
please quit it with this. I'am not debating with you.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 03:05 PM

You know EM, I have countered 100 % of what you are saying over the links I have provided. How?

Because orga used the same crap again and again and again, up till the point I realised that he is ignoring my answers so I would need to bring them up again instead of re-writing the whole essay again.

Now I'am asking you this nice,
please quit it with this. I'am not debating with you.

You need to chill out, seriously. Do I not have the right to debate and state evidence, which apparently you are ignoring. I am not ignoring your answers, I am combatting them, if you don't like it, sorry. It is plain and obvious that HKG is not as weak as you think he is, because of the extinuating circumstances he was under in that battle.

Seer235

December 31st, 2006, 03:06 PM

Except Godzilla was tougher and virtually more difficult to cut then ghidorah would be. I mean look at Ghiddy's body structure. There is only his three necks and his chest which take up half his height. One swipe of Destroyah's horn katana is sure to take out two heads if not three.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe Destroyah had to bend down to make the horn katana slash and hit Godzilla just below the ribcage. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that an attack like that would not result in decapitation if used against Ghidorah.

I seriously doubt Destroyah would be able to get a good slash in to even hit Ghidorah's necks. Dessy would definetely win the battle, but I don't think the horn katana would play into it at all and it'd last much longer than you say.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 03:19 PM

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe Destroyah had to bend down to make the horn katana slash and hit Godzilla just below the ribcage. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that an attack like that would not result in decapitation if used against Ghidorah.

I seriously doubt Destroyah would be able to get a good slash in to even hit Ghidorah's necks. Dessy would definetely win the battle, but I don't think the horn katana would play into it at all and it'd last much longer than you say.

He did have to bend down, I just watched the scene. Dessy would more likely defeat HKG with his MOS.

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 03:34 PM

You need to chill out, seriously. Do I not have the right to debate and state evidence, which apparently you are ignoring. I am not ignoring your answers, I am combatting them, if you don't like it, sorry. It is plain and obvious that HKG is not as weak as you think he is, because of the extinuating circumstances he was under in that battle.

I never said he is the weakest critter in the Heisei series. They are other kaijus who are definetely not even close to his power such as Battra, Mothra, Rodan and maybe Jr. Godzilla (I doubt it though) . Rodan/Fire rodan is very near though. He is sure to put up a better fight.

However as I stated before there are some showa kaijus and mellinium kaijus that could beat the living tar out of him. He is one of those exceptionally overrated kaiju that does not deserve half the credit he gets.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe Destroyah had to bend down to make the horn katana slash and hit Godzilla just below the ribcage. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that an attack like that would not result in decapitation if used against Ghidorah.

How could it not. What makes you think Destroyah is going to be bending, instead of swooping his katana and decapitating him instantly.

I seriously doubt Destroyah would be able to get a good slash in to even hit Ghidorah's necks.

Ghiddy's necks are the easiest things to slash off if compared to lopping some other kaijus head off although I have a really bad feeling about what its going to do to mothra once it hits her face. Destroyah would have to be really dumb to miss a swipe like that.

Dessy would definetely win the battle, but I don't think the horn katana would play into it at all and it'd last much longer than you say.

Oh please, its the most probable scenerio when you look at how destroyah attacks when it feels sadistic.

The question is: why won't the kitana end the match within a few seconds?

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 03:37 PM

I never said he is the weakest critter in the Heisei series. They are other kaijus who are definetely not even close to his power such as Battra, Mothra, Rodan and maybe Jr. Godzilla (I doubt it though) . Rodan/Fire rodan is very near though. He is sure to put up a better fight.

Yet their battles with Godzilla proved other wise. But lets not get into that, it is an entirely different topic.

What makes you think Destroyah is going to be bending, instead of swooping his katana and decapitating him instantly.

He never did it in the movies though now did he?

Light Surge

December 31st, 2006, 03:50 PM

He never did it in the movies though now did he?

Godzilla and ghidorah are different kaijus. Godzilla's neck and ghidorah's necks are different.

Yet their battles with Godzilla proved other wise. But lets not get into that, it is an entirely different topic.

Rodan did pretty well, so their is a chance that he may put up a good fight against HKG and injuring him before losing. Jr godzilla did pretty well in his battle with destroyah so he too has a stands a chance to beat HKG specially because of his beam.

Battra, hhmmm. He did kick G92's butt in larva form but did terrible as imago. Mothra, well her larvea was able to make g93 scream when she bit his tail but that is nothing big when you look at everything the other kaijus offer. Her imago form did nothing that actually came close to injuring G93 so she for one is probe to die by HKG very early in a match.

Now is everything justified? I have given HKG the credit you state that I have not.

EternalMothra

December 31st, 2006, 04:02 PM

Now you are giving him credit. ;)

Gorjirus

December 31st, 2006, 10:39 PM

Destroyah could have done the same to Godzilla.

Seer, Destroyah DID do that to Godzilla, but he regened too fast.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe Destroyah had to bend down to make the horn katana slash and hit Godzilla just below the ribcage. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that an attack like that would not result in decapitation if used against Ghidorah.

I'll correct you. No way that shot was completely below his ribcage.

...... In fact, let me go look.

*gets DVD out*

Destroyah's first strike enters at Godzilla's shoulder, and exits mid-torso, and then Destroyah does it again starting a little over. It is the second time that goes beneath the rib cage.

Light Surge

January 1st, 2007, 06:04 AM

Now you are giving him credit.

I was being very very generous. Infact, I believe Some of the kaijus I have listed are actually capable of beating him. If another HKG debate arises, I'am going to conceede to this.

Orga777

January 2nd, 2007, 11:39 AM

I have already answered this question.

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14519

post 14

Saw that post. And I don't agree with much of it at all. I would have replied if I wasn't away from the computer for a week as well.

Could not be more false then that. Even if he seems to like going at the beam spammers faces( which he does not, as depicted in the first fight with G93), he always does some serious damage to his victims before fleeing off (its a strategy, hit and run). It affected godzilla 93, a more supperior version then the 91 version in experience and all, It affected mechagodzilla, A robot that does not feel pain. In ghidorah's case, its a one hit sucker punch that would throw the dragon in a world of disorientation through its heads.

Bull. He got right in Goji's face and started to peck it. Which ended in his down fall when he started to get strangled to death and ended up being blasted at point blank range. Just like the SMG fight.

There is nothing big about grasping G91. He is already so slow and less aggressive with little manuevering in this movie, that ghidorah really did not need to make an effort to grasp him.

It is the same Goji from all the movies up till Destroyah. Where you get these 'facts' that it is diffrent I haven't got as clue. But like I said in the same movie Goji picked up Ghidorah and tossed him like a rag doll rather easily, so if we look at that great feat of strength then how come he didn't easily bust out of what you claim were weak bites?

OH WOW... People I strongly advise you to read

http://www.kaijuphile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411

post 4, second last line in this post. Incase orga edits that,

here is what he wrote:

Heh..... Oops. That is definitly on me.....:look:

which is correct. G91 weights more then Heisei ghidorah.

Nope.
Heisei Ghidorah - 70,000 Tons
Heisei Godzilla - 60,000 tons

Got them from Toho Kingdom.

Ghidorah does not stand a chance against MG or MOG because of almost every weapon they possess. G-force pwnz futurian crap.

Bull. MOG and MG's weapons are not any better than other beams in the Heisei era, including Goji's. Unless you can show me evidence that they aren't because I never got that impression. The only exceptions are the Plasma Grenade and MOG's missiles.

Give it up orga. HKG's stomp sucks big time. MOG and SMG could just kill HKG within a few minutes of beam exchanges and overkill him if they decide to use their special attacks (SGM and shock anchors). HKG is lower then them. For the size he gets, he ranks somewhere near Mothra and Rodan in the Heisei series.

Again, prove it.

Against Spacegodzilla, a few corona beams should take him out within seconds. Against destroyah, its overkill, as destroy can kill him in less then 10 seconds Using his horn kitana and tail then dissolve him in OD.

Heh. While SG can beat Ghidorah in teh end it will NOT be as easy as you think it is. And yea, Destroyah trounces him just like Destroyah can trounce on anything short of Armor Mothra easily. Where have I ever claimed that KG can beat either of them?

Its still not going to do much to bio when we look at her incredible regeneration.

You REALLY don't get it do you?

Bio is WEAK against atomic beams
Heisei Ghidorah HAS atmoic beams

Heisei Goji V.1's breath is NO better than Heisei Ghidorah's breath
Heisei Goji V.1's breath HURT Bio's CELLULAR structure

The same will happen with Ghdiorah's beams.
Do you understand now?

Light Surge

January 2nd, 2007, 04:01 PM

Saw that post. And I don't agree with much of it at all. I would have replied if I wasn't away from the computer for a week as well.

You have to agree with it. You have nothing to counter it.

I'am very eager for seeing a white flag from you bub.

Bull. He got right in Goji's face and started to peck it. Which ended in his down fall when he started to get strangled to death and ended up being blasted at point blank range. Just like the SMG fight.

Thats false. Rodan had perfectly evaded the choke and continued to assault godzilla. His downfall came when he was hammered in the head by goji's tail. In SMG's case, I believe rodan knew he was going to die soon, so he tried to do as much damage as possible.

Nope.
Heisei Ghidorah - 70,000 Tons
Heisei Godzilla - 60,000 tons

Got them from Toho Kingdom.

Hahaha, that makes HKG's stomp even worst. I laugh at you orga777.

Bull. MOG and MG's weapons are not any better than other beams in the Heisei era, including Goji's. Unless you can show me evidence that they aren't because I never got that impression. The only exceptions are the Plasma Grenade and MOG's missiles.

They are the best there is, second to SG's beams and godzilla's spiral flame breath. Nothing else is anywhere near that power. Megabuster's power can be determined by the beam locks and the intensive effect it had on godzilla and rodan. Moguera's chest beam had an alternative megabuster installed in his chest which packed more punch hence it knocked out godzilla. Both mechs possess deadly eyebeams. Mg's eyebeams had a spear shot effect on godzilla while Mog's had a more explosive approach. MG's special weapon burst a hole into godzilla and knocked him far. MOG's SGM had blown spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals. MOG's drill served as a good Melee weapon though it had this risk factor(Does not count). MG had the shock cables that could electricute his foes (the reverse shock thing was replaced so this does not count either).

Again... G-force mechs pwn futurian crap.

Who else in the heisei series posses such power. The only one reaching close to such rank is Fire rodan's beam which pushed MG abit. Biollante's acid shower is also powerful but its not a beam or missles weapon. Oh yes, how could I forget Super X 3.

Again, prove it.

Well, for one, ghiddy weights more then G91 as you state the evidence yourself, making his stomp a sissy attack.

Then we saw G91, getting up without any ill effects after the stomp.

Even when getting stomped, he was not showing any signs of pain or injury. He was just in panic. No harm done.

Heh. While SG can beat Ghidorah in teh end it will NOT be as easy as you think it is. And yea, Destroyah trounces him just like Destroyah can trounce on anything short of Armor Mothra easily. Where have I ever claimed that KG can beat either of them?

It does not matter who wins. HKG is a very easy target for both these characters. Spacegodzilla's corona beam would blow off HKG's necks or heads within seconds and if HKG even tries to shoot his beams, no doubt some would hit and SG because of how slow he is, but as always SG would return it back to him and blast him harder there by ending him within seconds. If HKG gets close, SG would simply nail him with his tail and blow his heart apart. For Destroyah, it is a win-win situation in any case. If ghiddy is near Destroyah, he gets decapitated instantly. If he is middle distance away from Destroyah, then he is going to be dragged around the city by its tail and then behead it.

Both These kaijus can simply just **** all over HKG. Its that bad.

You REALLY don't get it do you?

Bio is WEAK against atomic beams
Heisei Ghidorah HAS atmoic beams

Heisei Goji V.1's breath is NO better than Heisei Ghidorah's breath
Heisei Goji V.1's breath HURT Bio's CELLULAR structure

The same will happen with Ghdiorah's beams.
Do you understand now?

What about Bio's regeneration?

But I'll abstain here anyway. In order for Bio to beat any of her targets, she has to be near them. Unless ghiddy is a stupid careless strategist (which I personally think so), he would not try coming near bio.

EternalMothra

January 2nd, 2007, 10:26 PM

I laugh at you orga777.

I'am very eager for seeing a white flag from you bub.

And you were yelling at me about being cocky? Try to keep the conversation nice.

Orga777

January 3rd, 2007, 12:56 PM

You have to agree with it. You have nothing to counter it.

I'am very eager for seeing a white flag from you bub.

I don't agree with it. I have stuff to counter it, and I won't be conceeding to your 'evidence' which is not really evidence.

Hahaha, that makes HKG's stomp even worst. I laugh at you orga777.

You REALLY don't get it. Heisei Goji through out every single movie is NOT one to easily roll over or be damaged. It took a lot for even your precious MG to take him down and he is designed to beat on Goji. SG couldn't even bring him down, it took both Battra and Mothra to take him out and one of them died in the process. So why should Heisei Ghidorah fair any better at damaging Heisei goji when he is NEVER DAMAGED! I guess biollante's vines are weak and pathetic because Goji came out of it uneffected too right? :sarcasm:

They are the best there is, second to SG's beams and godzilla's spiral flame breath. Nothing else is anywhere near that power. Megabuster's power can be determined by the beam locks and the intensive effect it had on godzilla and rodan.

The mega Buster never once hurt either Goji or Rodan much. So i don't see where you get this. And locking with heisei goji's regular beam is NOT that impressive since teh beam isn't that destructive.

Both mechs possess deadly eyebeams.

LMAO! If MG's eye lasers were soooo effective, you would think they would have used them more than twice? And MOG's eye lasers are very pathetic and not once seemed to damage or even hurt either Goji or SG.

Mg's eyebeams had a spear shot effect on godzilla while Mog's had a more explosive approach. MG's special weapon burst a hole into godzilla and knocked him far. MOG's SGM had blown spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals. MOG's drill served as a good Melee weapon though it had this risk factor(Does not count). MG had the shock cables that could electricute his foes (the reverse shock thing was replaced so this does not count either).

I said that the Plasma Grenade ad the SGM's are the exceptions... The shock anchors all depend on the enemy some fights they are useful others they are useless. And why doesn't the reverse shock thing count? And why doesn't the drill risk factor not count?

Who else in the heisei series posses such power. The only one reaching close to such rank is Fire rodan's beam which pushed MG abit. Biollante's acid shower is also powerful but its not a beam or missles weapon. Oh yes, how could I forget Super X 3.

Please Rodan's beam did jack to MG. And only two kaiju in the Heisei era convince me of Ultimate Kaiju and that is Destroyah and Space Godzilla. (Burning Goji as actually.)

Well, for one, ghiddy weights more then G91 as you state the evidence yourself, making his stomp a sissy attack.

Why? What else was he going to do to a endurance freak like Heisei Goji. And that 'sissy' attack as you put it worked now didn't it?

Then we saw G91, getting up without any ill effects after the stomp.

Like he does in every battle?

Even when getting stomped, he was not showing any signs of pain or injury. He was just in panic. No harm done.

He seemed to be in pain to me.

What about Bio's regeneration?

She had regen against Goji's beam too and that didn't stop her from being effected from the weakness now did it? Things were popping and blowing up all over the damn place on her. And it eventually caused her to retreat.

Light Surge

January 3rd, 2007, 03:05 PM

I don't agree with it. I have stuff to counter it, and I won't be conceeding to your 'evidence' which is not really evidence.

You have nothing to counter it.

PWNED

You REALLY don't get it. Heisei Goji through out every single movie is NOT one to easily roll over or be damaged. It took a lot for even your precious MG to take him down and he is designed to beat on Goji.
SG couldn't even bring him down, it took both Battra and Mothra to take him out and one of them died in the process. So why should Heisei Ghidorah fair any better at damaging Heisei goji when he is NEVER DAMAGED! I guess biollante's vines are weak and pathetic because Goji came out of it uneffected too right?

SG, MG and MOG could dish out some serious damage to him. MG can kill via the cables and his beams. Moguera can knock him out with chest beam and do the same. Spacegodzilla, can well.. as you know, beat him.

Mothra and battra are in the lowest rank of the Heisei series with mothra bieng the weakest of them all, so you really can't blame them. They did all they could do to the maximum extent.

I'am not going to argue over Biollante's case because godzilla had ANEB shoved in his body but I'll assume she did well since her attacks were effective, The vines had pierced through G89's hide, wrapped him well and possesed enough force to push him around.

Now HKG....

He can't do anything worth ****. For something his size, he really can't do much.

The mega Buster never once hurt either Goji or Rodan much. So i don't see where you get this. And locking with heisei goji's regular beam is NOT that impressive since teh beam isn't that destructive.

It did hurt him. Everytime MG shot it, G93 had that hit taking effect on his body(the hurt down). Rodan also suffered the same effect after getting shot by it. The beam lock theory is still in my favor because the spiral flame was also blocked to a standstill.

LMAO! If MG's eye lasers were soooo effective, you would think they would have used them more than twice?

His other weapons were more effective and were enough to finish the job so they were not needed the second time around. Also, If MG used them with the other beams consistently then their would be a slightly increase over-heating factor involved.

And MOG's eye lasers are very pathetic and not once seemed to damage or even hurt either Goji or SG.

They blew fragments out of godzilla and also made him had that hit taking effect on his body(the hurt down).

The shock anchors all depend on the enemy some fights they are useful others they are useless.

Against metallic foes only.The type with metal such as MG 74 and Heisei Mogera. However I'am not sure if showa mogera and mechanikong possess that much of an armor to withstand it.

And why doesn't the reverse shock thing count?

Because we generally assume that MG 93 is the upgraded MG with the feedback problem fixed.

And why doesn't the drill risk factor not count?

Because Mogera possess a tough armor. Even if he is damaged by any attack close up, he has pilots that could probably fix the damage, so in the meanwhile Mog can escape.

Please Rodan's beam did jack to MG.

It pushed him slightly. Did not see G93's beam do that though. Not even at any beam lock.

Why? What else was he going to do to a endurance freak like Heisei Goji.

See, thats what I'am coming at. He can't do anything to Heisei Godzilla.

And that 'sissy' attack as you put it worked now didn't it?

It did not work.

Like he does in every battle?

In every battle starting onwards after 1992, he had been given a run for his money. Most of the time he was getting pwned in those battles. His foes always had to face another kaiju who would screw everything up for them and give Godzilla the edge in the fight (Mogera blowing SG's shoulder crystal and blowing the underground support for the fukuka tower and Fire rodan completely reviving godzilla and giving him the deadliest beam in the Heisei era).

He seemed to be in pain to me.

Well, he wasn't.

She had regen against Goji's beam too and that didn't stop her from being effected from the weakness now did it? Things were popping and blowing up all over the damn place on her. And it eventually caused her to retreat.

I don't know much about Biollante, but I rest my case about her over the final DD match against GKG. Thereby I claim her better then HKG.

biochemitra

January 3rd, 2007, 03:41 PM

She had regen against Goji's beam too and that didn't stop her from being effected from the weakness now did it? Things were popping and blowing up all over the damn place on her. And it eventually caused her to retreat.

I hope you're talking about the rose form. See now, Biollante was the victor in that final battle.

Orga, I'm not going to hesitate one bit to say that Heisei King Ghidorah is a well rounded, frightening creature, one of admirable speed, power and intelligence, and with some nifty bolts, but honestly, I don't care if he can fly, I'd bet on Biollante against him any day of the week. What she lacks in the energy department she makes up for in reach.

Orga777

January 3rd, 2007, 11:30 PM

You have nothing to counter it.

PWNED

I am not one to revive topics, but in this case I will make an exception.

SG, MG and MOG could dish out some serious damage to him. MG can kill via the cables and his beams. Moguera can knock him out with chest beam and do the same. Spacegodzilla, can well.. as you know, beat him.

I have to give you MG because of the absorbtion. SG is a given. MOG he CAN beat if he tries hard enough do to the speed issue. But in the end he would probably lose to the SGM's.

Mothra and battra are in the lowest rank of the Heisei series with mothra bieng the weakest of them all, so you really can't blame them. They did all they could do to the maximum extent.

No, Rodan is the weakest in the Heisei era sad to say since I am a Rodan fan. Mothra's beam knocked Goji to the ground with only three shots and she took a direct shot in the face with no ill effects. And even if you claim they are the weakest, it would HAVE to be Battra since it was stated that Mothra BEAT Battra in the past.

I'am not going to argue over Biollante's case because godzilla had ANEB shoved in his body but I'll assume she did well since her attacks were effective, The vines had pierced through G89's hide, wrapped him well and possesed enough force to push him around.

But he wasn't effected? So how can it be powerful?

Now HKG....
He can't do anything worth ****. For something his size, he really can't do much.

That is sadly where you are wrong.

It did hurt him. Everytime MG shot it, G93 had that hit taking effect on his body(the hurt down). Rodan also suffered the same effect after getting shot by it. The beam lock theory is still in my favor because the spiral flame was also blocked to a standstill.

Neitehr were damaged by the Mega Buster. Every beam can effect a kaiju. Just not as much as others. The Mega Buster did NOT cause severe wounds or show to be as impressive as you claim it did.

His other weapons were more effective and were enough to finish the job so they were not needed the second time around. Also, If MG used them with the other beams consistently then their would be a slightly increase over-heating factor involved.

MG is known for all out assaults. How come it never used the Eye Lasers in said all out assault? It would have done the job faster.

They blew fragments out of godzilla and also made him had that hit taking effect on his body(the hurt down).

Prove it. it looks like it is just dirt to me. :p Remind you of something? Oh yea, the claim that KG's beam blew chunks out of Goji.;)

Against metallic foes only.The type with metal such as MG 74 and Heisei Mogera. However I'am not sure if showa mogera and mechanikong possess that much of an armor to withstand it.

Hedorah? Biollante? Extreamly fast agile foes like Gyaos? Legion? Destroyah? The list goes on and on.

Because we generally assume that MG 93 is the upgraded MG with the feedback problem fixed.

No, we assume SMG is the upgraded version that had the problem fixed.

Because Mogera possess a tough armor. Even if he is damaged by any attack close up, he has pilots that could probably fix the damage, so in the meanwhile Mog can escape.

Those pilots couldn't fix there own dinner. If you notice they are kinda stupid. Luckily they had a strong mech to cancel that out.

It pushed him slightly. Did not see G93's beam do that though. Not even at any beam lock.

I do not recall that at all. I will have to check that out though.

See, thats what I'am coming at. He can't do anything to Heisei Godzilla.

No one outside of SG can do anything to Goji. The only reason MG could do something is because of the beam absorption. Without that he would have lost rather easily.

It did not work.

No, it did work. Human interference and all that.

In every battle starting onwards after 1992, he had been given a run for his money. Most of the time he was getting pwned in those battles. His foes always had to face another kaiju who would screw everything up for them and give Godzilla the edge in the fight (Mogera blowing SG's shoulder crystal and blowing the underground support for the fukuka tower and Fire rodan completely reviving godzilla and giving him the deadliest beam in the Heisei era).

He was given a run for his money in ALL the Heisei movies. Which is why it surprises me that people consider him a Uber Power house kaiju.

Well, he wasn't.

No, he was. He was clearly in pain while Ghidorah started to stomp on him. It wasn't panic, it was pain.

Orga, I'm not going to hesitate one bit to say that Heisei King Ghidorah is a well rounded, frightening creature, one of admirable speed, power and intelligence, and with some nifty bolts, but honestly, I don't care if he can fly, I'd bet on Biollante against him any day of the week. What she lacks in the energy department she makes up for in reach.

Except he has beams just like Goji's Bio. Which will cause Bio the same problems that Goji did in that final battle. Except now Ghidorah's can cover more area and do a lot more damage a hole lot faster than Goji was capable of doing. Which is why he has an edge in the fight.

Oh, and Goji definitly would have beat Biollante in the final meeting if it wasn't for the ANB which slowed him down and caused him to pass out.

Light Surge

January 4th, 2007, 04:29 AM

No, Rodan is the weakest in the Heisei era sad to say since I am a Rodan fan. Mothra's beam knocked Goji to the ground with only three shots and she took a direct shot in the face with no ill effects. And even if you claim they are the weakest, it would HAVE to be Battra since it was stated that Mothra BEAT Battra in the past.

eh.. I have already given a paragraph of information about why I believe rodan is very strong, in the two topic links I have provided. So there goes your theory over rodan being the weakest. pretty much stronger then mothra you see and I don't care what took place in the past, battra was pwning mothra and doing half the fighting in that film. Something akin to Titanosaurus's role in TOMG.

I have to give you MG because of the absorbtion. SG is a given. MOG he CAN beat if he tries hard enough do to the speed issue. But in the end he would probably lose to the SGM's.

MG wins because of his beams, missles and cables too. MOGs can knock out Godzilla and blast him to death. No speed issue here.

That is sadly where you are wrong.

I have just proven that I'am right about 4 times I think.

Neitehr were damaged by the Mega Buster. Every beam can effect a kaiju. Just not as much as others. The Mega Buster did NOT cause severe wounds or show to be as impressive as you claim it did.

Ofcourse you could not see any physical wounds on godzilla. The screentime with godzilla recieving the beam was incredibly short. Yet I could still see godzilla weaving in pain everytime the beam hit. The sounds he made and the way he was aggrevated also explains how pissed off he had become after getting shot by them. Thats why he charged through the electric grid to get near MG.

MG is known for all out assaults. How come it never used the Eye Lasers in said all out assault? It would have done the job faster.

Well, Blame that on to the pilots. Its not like they were the sharpest knife in the drawer. Every damage MG took in its second encounter could be blamed on them.

Prove it. it looks like it is just dirt to me. :p Remind you of something? Oh yea, the claim that KG's beam blew chunks out of Goji.;)

Oh, those were really fragments. They came out the minute the explosion occured at the upper section of godzilla. Now HKG's beams were clearly shown, hitting the ground and blowing dirt before reaching godzilla. Bad aim = dirt flying everywhere.

Hedorah? Biollante? Extreamly fast agile foes like Gyaos? Legion? Destroyah? The list goes on and on.

Hedorah, no. Biollante, yes. For the extremely fast agile foes, would'nt you consider them being prone to be hit by the shock cable AFTER they have been downed out by the beams and the missles.

and Destroyah is not an extremely fast agile foe. The shock cables can pierce and shock it to reduce it back to the aggregates but then again it can regenerate back to the adult destroyer instantly and wear MG out.

We are going offtopic you know...

This is about how weak HKG is, remember?

No, we assume SMG is the upgraded version that had the problem fixed.

Well the regular MG had it fixed after the first encounter so that there is a moot point.

Those pilots couldn't fix there own dinner. If you notice they are kinda stupid. Luckily they had a strong mech to cancel that out.

Those pilots may have been stupid, but they knew how to repair the extensive damage done to mogera. Their decisions were not all that bad either. See how much damage mogera recieved. The only decision bad they made were parking Mogera at a distance at which SG's tail could reach them and blowing his shoulder crystals off without backing up a little. But that there would be a minor underestimation.

I do not recall that at all. I will have to check that out though.

Please do. You would be a very happy rodan fan then. Fire rodan fan actually.

No one outside of SG can do anything to Goji. The only reason MG could do something is because of the beam absorption. Without that he would have lost rather easily.

Thats not true. It took a couple of Spiral atomic blasts to destroy MG even after his armor had melted.

with that in mind, I could see MG doing some serious damage to godzilla with the beams and the paralyzer missles, as you see once godzilla is down and paralyzed, he could rather easily be taken out by the shock cables provided that this is the upgraded MG.

And why is this topic being changed to MG and MOG when we were discussing about HKG?

No, it did work. Human interference and all that.

No. As far as I could see, ghidorah could be stomping on godzilla all day and still would not be able to kill it. I would expect godzilla to shrug him off soon or later.

He was given a run for his money in ALL the Heisei movies. Which is why it surprises me that people consider him a Uber Power house kaiju.

Sometimes you are saying he is the one of the most strongest kaijus in the Heisei era and Sometimes you are saying he could not do jack to his enemies? Make up your mind.

I say kaijus the weaker kaijus had put alot of effort in attempting to beat him or fight him to the end. The stronger had little trouble putting him out, but always got screwed by the third kaiju in the movie. HKG does not go in either catagory thereby bieng a third class kaiju.

No, he was. He was clearly in pain while Ghidorah started to stomp on him. It wasn't panic, it was pain.

well there is no evidence in that now is there.

PWNED..

EternalMothra

January 4th, 2007, 05:28 AM

well there is no evidence in that now is there.

PWNED..

Roaring in pain, and writhing in agony looks like enough evidecne enough to me. You'd have to be virtually blind not to see it.

Light Surge

January 4th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Roaring in pain, and writhing in agony looks like enough evidecne enough to me. You'd have to be virtually blind not to see it.

He was not roaring in pain. I did not hear the low pitch sound he makes when he is generally in pain. Nor did I hear the moaning he does when Biollante stabs his hand and neck.

and writhing in agony?

Doesn't godzilla do that everytime he is knocked down in every movie?

The only time I recall him not doing that was when Mg shot him with the paralyzer missles and when MOG's KO'd him.

Orga777

January 4th, 2007, 01:10 PM

eh.. I have already given a paragraph of information about why I believe rodan is very strong, in the two topic links I have provided. So there goes your theory over rodan being the weakest. pretty much stronger then mothra you see and I don't care what took place in the past, battra was pwning mothra and doing half the fighting in that film. Something akin to Titanosaurus's role in TOMG.

Except for the fact Mothra really wasn't trying to fight Battra much. And actually Mothra did the most work in that final battle. She was the one tha caught Goji in the powder and the one that did the most damage to Goji throughout the hole fight.

I have just proven that I'am right about 4 times I think.

And I brought up why you are wrong about four times. He really isn't as bad as you suggest he is.

Ofcourse you could not see any physical wounds on godzilla. The screentime with godzilla recieving the beam was incredibly short. Yet I could still see godzilla weaving in pain everytime the beam hit. The sounds he made and the way he was aggrevated also explains how pissed off he had become after getting shot by them. Thats why he charged through the electric grid to get near MG.

Can't see any on Rodan either though which is what I am really getting at since it is not rpoven Rodan has regenoration.

Oh, those were really fragments. They came out the minute the explosion occured at the upper section of godzilla. Now HKG's beams were clearly shown, hitting the ground and blowing dirt before reaching godzilla. Bad aim = dirt flying everywhere.

Ah, you see. Some of the 'dirt fragment' as you call them came from direct hits on Goji's chest and shoulder area as well. So unless I am missing something they came off Goji.

Hedorah, no. Biollante, yes. For the extremely fast agile foes, would'nt you consider them being prone to be hit by the shock cable AFTER they have been downed out by the beams and the missles.

And what exactly would the shock anhors DO to Biollante? As for Gyaos, good luck hitting it. They Dodge Gamera's attacks while not even LOOKING!

and Destroyah is not an extremely fast agile foe. The shock cables can pierce and shock it to reduce it back to the aggregates but then again it can regenerate back to the adult destroyer instantly and wear MG out.

Um... Forgetting Dessy's hard as hell exoskeleton? It took three hits in the same spot from Burning Goji's beam to finally damage it. And that beam is very powerful. The anchors would bounce off. And the OD Spray would melt the mech down. It really screws up metal.

We are going offtopic you know...

This is about how weak HKG is, remember?

Agreed. :laugh:

Those pilots may have been stupid, but they knew how to repair the extensive damage done to mogera. Their decisions were not all that bad either. See how much damage mogera recieved. The only decision bad they made were parking Mogera at a distance at which SG's tail could reach them and blowing his shoulder crystals off without backing up a little. But that there would be a minor underestimation.

Except for separating there was not one good move the MOG pilots did right through the hole movie.

No. As far as I could see, ghidorah could be stomping on godzilla all day and still would not be able to kill it. I would expect godzilla to shrug him off soon or later.

I have to disagree. Eventually Goji's ribs would have been shattered from all teh weight being pressed down on him.

Sometimes you are saying he is the one of the most strongest kaijus in the Heisei era and Sometimes you are saying he could not do jack to his enemies? Make up your mind.

No, I say he is hard to hurt. Which he is. But his beam is suspect at best and he is not shown to be as uber as people claim.

I say kaijus the weaker kaijus had put alot of effort in attempting to beat him or fight him to the end. The stronger had little trouble putting him out, but always got screwed by the third kaiju in the movie. HKG does not go in either catagory thereby bieng a third class kaiju.

Except for SG and MG, name me one other kaiju that seriously had Godzilla on the ropes or almost killed him? Not Mothra, not Battra, not Biollante, and not even Destroyah. Only KG had a shot at bringing him down for good and almost suceeded if it weren't for human interference.

well there is no evidence in that now is there.

PWNED..

You know, except for commonsense.

Gorjirus

January 4th, 2007, 04:49 PM

He was not roaring in pain. I did not hear the low pitch sound he makes when he is generally in pain. Nor did I hear the moaning he does when Biollante stabs his hand and neck.

and writhing in agony?

Doesn't godzilla do that everytime he is knocked down in every movie?

You know, except for commonsense.

In a way, you are both right.

Was Godzilla in discomfort? Yes.

Was he writhing in agony? No. He has a point. That's how Godzilla looks everytime he's knocked down.

Light Surge

January 5th, 2007, 03:40 AM

Except for the fact Mothra really wasn't trying to fight Battra much. And actually Mothra did the most work in that final battle. She was the one tha caught Goji in the powder and the one that did the most damage to Goji throughout the hole fight.

Whatever...

I still see battra is the essence of that movie. He was the one who did most of the fighting and it was the one who died in the end.

And I brought up why you are wrong about four times. He really isn't as bad as you suggest he is.

Not really. I don't recall you proving me wrong 4 times, but I do recall you trying to do that, but as always, my evidence hold more weight then your ones. Let this be the fifth time I prove how overrated HKG is.

Can't see any on Rodan either though which is what I am really getting at since it is not rpoven Rodan has regenoration.

Everytime the megabuster hit a target, a heavy mass cloud of white light spreads all over the body and creates further explosions. As this finishes, the screen changes to another angle or view. You hardly get to see what the beam does.

Ah, you see. Some of the 'dirt fragment' as you call them came from direct hits on Goji's chest and shoulder area as well. So unless I am missing something they came off Goji.

No. At that scene ghidorah had clearly shot godzilla and the ground around him. I saw explosions behind him when they closed in that scene.

And what exactly would the shock anhors DO to Biollante?

Electricute her.

As for Gyaos, good luck hitting it. They Dodge Gamera's attacks while not even LOOKING!

Like I said before, I have not seen any of the Gamera movies so I'am going to have a hard time debating over any of his foes. I'am getting G2:AOL and G3:ROI today though.

Anyway I do know, that Gamera fires fire balls, correct?

Its not a whole line of particle beams that could be heaved or dragged like the ones godzilla and MG possess. I don't see how any fast arial kaiju would have trouble dodging fire balls if beams at times fail to do so like in GMK.

Um... Forgetting Dessy's hard as hell exoskeleton? It took three hits in the same spot from Burning Goji's beam to finally damage it.

A beam is different from a piercing weapon you know. It took several shots of Space godzilla's corona beam to bust a hole in him, while MG's shock anchors had easily shoved right into his body.

And that beam is very powerful.

Meltdown godzilla's beam was also very explosive. The area covered by the force was very large as you could clearly see explosions everywhere around Destroyah when he fired it.

And the OD Spray would melt the mech down. It really screws up metal.

Judging by what happened to that car, it seemed that the OD spray affected it because of the rust on it. It dissolves oxygen, right?

and MG is not exactly all metal you know. His surface has diamond like coating, which I believe is made out of something similar to Carbon. We have already discussed this before.

Except for separating there was not one good move the MOG pilots did right through the hole movie.

That was not completely a decision. Yuki did that primarily to avoid getting jabbed in the head again.

I have to disagree. Eventually Goji's ribs would have been shattered from all teh weight being pressed down on him.

I say no. Firstly, have you ever considered the Heisei series ever using real life physics in the movie? Godzilla lifting MG by his head and tossing him around, Slamming Ghidorah like a ragdoll, Space godzilla lifting Mogera by the tip of his tail and finally Destroyah being able to throw godzilla by her tail. Almost everyone of these examples have something to do with defying the law of gravity and manipulation of weight. Even the turning effect of force is hardly real. With all that in mind, can you really consider that stomp being effective against any kaijus. Mothra leo should have died by the grape crush by GKG but he lived through it, even after getting blasted full charged after the brutal marching. Do you realise the weight ratio difference of GKG and Mothra leo compared to Hesei Godzilla and HKG.

Secondly, even if we believe that the physics in the stomp is true, its still not effective enough to take down a well rounder kaiju. I have heard of people surviving very dangerous situations including surviving after large weight had dropped on them. One of the most prominint shows featuring this is the world's most dangerous videos. They showed a man survive after getting trampled by a bull.

The point is that the stomp you people consider so powerful is purely a physical attack, with factors such as weight, pressure and force applied. HKG applied decent force by jumping really high but weight and pressure was not at all effective. The only thing the stomp really did was, have white light spreading on the ground everytime it landed, but seeing as everything in Heisei series consists of uber damage effects including sparks and overly large explosions I don't see how that could be really a show of massive beat down.

I would also like to connect this with something I had posted to orga777 before;

Begin:

Fortunately for HKG, the godzilla incarnation he was fighting was Not aggressive or as strong as the later versions of himself. The terrain they were fighting also had craters and ditches which was to ghidorah's luck. Godzilla was not showing any signs of pain or injuries by the stomp and what seemed to be something crushing was not working too well because godzilla got up on his feet right after the stomp and layed a slammed ghidorah like ragdoll without breaking a sweat. You would have atleast expected to see godzilla limp a little since ghidorah did stomp on his rib cage.

Honestly speaking I find no reason as to how the stomp attack could really be that damaging.

Except for SG and MG, name me one other kaiju that seriously had Godzilla on the ropes or almost killed him? Not Mothra, not Battra, not Biollante, and not even Destroyah. Only KG had a shot at bringing him down for good and almost suceeded if it weren't for human interference.

KG had not done anything like that. Please understand that. Godzilla came out fine after the battle without regaining any new power after being knocked out or blasted to death.

and Destroyah?

I believe it could have killed him if he was not in meltdown phase.

Mogera can also kill him by the chest beam and SGM combo.

Between Biollante and him, it would be a draw.

EternalMothra

January 5th, 2007, 01:04 PM

Whatever...

I still see battra is the essence of that movie. He was the one who did most of the fighting and it was the one who died in the end.

That really doesn't make a difference, Mothra was the good kaiju in the movie, that doesn't make Battra the essence in the film. Besides, if the title is Godzilla vs. MOTHRA, take a guess.

While Battra did battle a lot in the film, Mothra did about equal battling.

Electricute her.

Wow, that's really going to hurt her. *sarcasm* With Biollante's regeneration, electrocution isn't really going to do anything.

Light Surge

January 5th, 2007, 02:38 PM

That really doesn't make a difference, Mothra was the good kaiju in the movie, that doesn't make Battra the essence in the film. Besides, if the title is Godzilla vs. MOTHRA, take a guess.

You know, that movie would have been alot better if they removed Mothra. Battra would have been an excellent kaiju to replace her as the new royal bug. No fairies, no mothra and no annoying kids. It could have been an Original Heisei classic like the first two movies.

While Battra did battle a lot in the film, Mothra did about equal battling.

hmmm... I don't care, I forgot the exact fabrics of that movie. All I remember was Mothra getting beaten down. I use to think that mothra was atleast better then regular rodan, but LGM proved it wrong after winning that debate over the dinosaurs vs mothra matchup at KG.

Wow, that's really going to hurt her. *sarcasm* With Biollante's regeneration, electrocution isn't really going to do anything.

Wow, if her generation is really up to the mark of healing nasty shock surges being sent inside her at a tremendously fast rate, then I believe she is unbeatable, even by the likes of GFW godzilla.

Orga777

January 8th, 2007, 11:53 AM

Not really. I don't recall you proving me wrong 4 times, but I do recall you trying to do that, but as always, my evidence hold more weight then your ones. Let this be the fifth time I prove how overrated HKG is.

Well since these arguments seem very spread out, would you be good enough to list everything you claim about KG's weaknesses? I will tackle them all one at a time in this thread.

Everytime the megabuster hit a target, a heavy mass cloud of white light spreads all over the body and creates further explosions. As this finishes, the screen changes to another angle or view. You hardly get to see what the beam does.

But I do see Rodan afterwards, and he is not damaged at all.

No. At that scene ghidorah had clearly shot godzilla and the ground around him. I saw explosions behind him when they closed in that scene.

Definitly wrong.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGeRpS0uf4c
At 5:52 if you pause it, look at the top corner where the sparks are. You see two black blotches flying off and the only beams at the time of those blotches are from the beams hitting his shoulder.

Electricute her.

And that is going to do WHAT to a giant plant monster?

Its not a whole line of particle beams that could be heaved or dragged like the ones godzilla and MG possess. I don't see how any fast arial kaiju would have trouble dodging fire balls if beams at times fail to do so like in GMK.

You don't get how fast Gyaos is then. She made escape vilocity in seconds. THAT is how fast she is. And Gamera fired three consecutivly in about one second maybe two, and Gyaos dodged all three. And She still didn't look. But I have a feeling you will like the movies though. Wait till you see Legion.:laugh:

A beam is different from a piercing weapon you know. It took several shots of Space godzilla's corona beam to bust a hole in him, while MG's shock anchors had easily shoved right into his body.

While that is true, Destroyah's exoskeleton is very diffrent from flesh. It is a lot harder and a lot more durable tahn Goji's skin is.

Meltdown godzilla's beam was also very explosive. The area covered by the force was very large as you could clearly see explosions everywhere around Destroyah when he fired it.

Yea? And it still took three to bust open her hide.

Judging by what happened to that car, it seemed that the OD spray affected it because of the rust on it. It dissolves oxygen, right?

No, it just does that to metal. Look at what it did to the buildings. And yea, it does dissolve oxygen, but the Spray that Destroyah uses can do a hole lot more damage to other things.

and MG is not exactly all metal you know. His surface has diamond like coating, which I believe is made out of something similar to Carbon. We have already discussed this before.

That doesn't mean the OD Spray isn't going to just bounce off.

I say no. Firstly, have you ever considered the Heisei series ever using real life physics in the movie? Godzilla lifting MG by his head and tossing him around, Slamming Ghidorah like a ragdoll, Space godzilla lifting Mogera by the tip of his tail and finally Destroyah being able to throw godzilla by her tail. Almost everyone of these examples have something to do with defying the law of gravity and manipulation of weight. Even the turning effect of force is hardly real. With all that in mind, can you really consider that stomp being effective against any kaijus. Mothra leo should have died by the grape crush by GKG but he lived through it, even after getting blasted full charged after the brutal marching. Do you realise the weight ratio difference of GKG and Mothra leo compared to Hesei Godzilla and HKG.

That is very true. The Heisei era does not go by laws of phsyics at all. But while that is true, being crushed is being crushed. I have no reason to believe that eventually Goji would have been crushed by Ghidorah. Granted with Goji;s toughness it would probably take hours, but I would have to say it would eventually happen.

Secondly, even if we believe that the physics in the stomp is true, its still not effective enough to take down a well rounder kaiju. I have heard of people surviving very dangerous situations including surviving after large weight had dropped on them. One of the most prominint shows featuring this is the world's most dangerous videos. They showed a man survive after getting trampled by a bull.

Now you see, getting run over by a bull will not necissarily be fatal. It depends where the hoofs come down at. and how hard they come down. Now if the bull jumps up and down on a human (which is of course impossible) like what Ghidorah did to Goji, the human would be dead eitehr right away, or in a matter of minutes do to ribs being shattered with possiblities of having punctured organs.

The point is that the stomp you people consider so powerful is purely a physical attack, with factors such as weight, pressure and force applied. HKG applied decent force by jumping really high but weight and pressure was not at all effective. The only thing the stomp really did was, have white light spreading on the ground everytime it landed, but seeing as everything in Heisei series consists of uber damage effects including sparks and overly large explosions I don't see how that could be really a show of massive beat down.

That I can give you. But since Heisei Goji is not one to be hurt by any type of physical means at all just shows what Ghidorah is capable of. HKG managed to hold Goji down with his jaws while strangling him which is shocking due to the physical power that Goji has in his arms. The stomps, even making him panic shows that he could do more physically to Goji than any other kaiju in the entire Heisei era. Mothra and Battra relied on beams a lot. SG relied only on beams, and Des relied on a mix, but never got the edge over Goji like Ghidorah did.

KG had not done anything like that. Please understand that. Godzilla came out fine after the battle without regaining any new power after being knocked out or blasted to death.

You are right. But, remember when teh control was broken and Ghidorah fell over, it took a little bit for Goji to get back up. He had a breather after Ghidorah stoopped stomping on him which gave him some time to regain his composure.

I believe it could have killed him if he was not in meltdown phase.

Oh, I agree 100% to that, but I was just saying that Des never had a shot of beating Goji at the time they fought.

Mogera can also kill him by the chest beam and SGM combo.

Kill who? Goji? Eh, no, he can't. He will just regen the hits from teh SGM's. And the chest beam won't do a hole lot more. Remember, Goji is hard to hurt. And he will eventually just throw off a Spiral Beam which will cripple the mech severily.

Between Biollante and him, it would be a draw.

Um, the weakness of Bio gives Goji the edge. The only reason he was even hindered in their last fight was because of the ANB going through his body which weakened him.

Light Surge

January 17th, 2007, 10:22 AM

Well since these arguments seem very spread out, would you be good enough to list everything you claim about KG's weaknesses? I will tackle them all one at a time in this thread.

Nahh... If I do that, then you would probably want to repeat the same cycle in another thread after a while.

But I do see Rodan afterwards, and he is not damaged at all.

I don't. Care to show a picture.

And that is going to do WHAT to a giant plant monster?

fry the mutated phloem, xylem and the roots inside her, but then again she has tentacles that could cut them, yet I believe that biting would just electricute them. This is still another theory being discussed in the wrong topic you know.

Definitly wrong.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGeRpS0uf4c
At 5:52 if you pause it, look at the top corner where the sparks are. You see two black blotches flying off and the only beams at the time of those blotches are from the beams hitting his shoulder.

That as I could clearly see was a scene change transition from the point the explosions hit the ground.

Yea? And it still took three to bust open her hide.

That was a small portion of its hide, and the last time I watched the movie, I recall that the breath shot that blew her crest was more focused on that spot.

No, it just does that to metal.

The only effect it had is by the force of the spray.

Look at what it did to the buildings.

Ofcourse it will destroy buildings. How do you think cement and Concrete are manufactured.

And yea, it does dissolve oxygen, but the Spray that Destroyah uses can do a hole lot more damage to other things.

Well, I did not see it used on other things, thereby I'am clueless at the sight of your statement.

That is very true. The Heisei era does not go by laws of phsyics at all. But while that is true, being crushed is being crushed. I have no reason to believe that eventually Goji would have been crushed by Ghidorah. Granted with Goji;s toughness it would probably take hours, but I would have to say it would eventually happen.

Let it go orga. There is no point in trying to breakdown my post with weightless reasoning. You are running out of options, and I suggest you use your energy on a different portion of this debate.

Now you see, getting run over by a bull will not necissarily be fatal. It depends where the hoofs come down at. and how hard they come down. Now if the bull jumps up and down on a human (which is of course impossible) like what Ghidorah did to Goji, the human would be dead eitehr right away, or in a matter of minutes do to ribs being shattered with possiblities of having punctured organs.

Yes but, lets give the human a tough hide.. say like if the human is in a suit of armor (knight) made out of, say a tough metal like iron or tungsten, then what would happen?

would he die right away? or would the bull just tire out by the time the armor would be crushed?

That I can give you. But since Heisei Goji is not one to be hurt by any type of physical means at all just shows what Ghidorah is capable of. HKG managed to hold Goji down with his jaws while strangling him which is shocking due to the physical power that Goji has in his arms. The stomps, even making him panic shows that he could do more physically to Goji than any other kaiju in the entire Heisei era. Mothra and Battra relied on beams a lot. SG relied only on beams, and Des relied on a mix, but never got the edge over Goji like Ghidorah did.

Orga, Thats another reason of why I believe that the later Heisei godzilla are much more experienced in fighting then G91. He just is'nt aggressive enough and did not use much of his over powered strenght in beating down ghidorah. He hardly used his arms to punch or smack ghidorah, and if you want to talk about physical strength then look at rodan. Oh and SG in the end did stab mog in the chest and threw him far. Battra as a larvea did a great phyical fight with goji. Destroyah heck, showed the power to throw godzilla around with its tail and arms. Ghidorah never did get an edge over anything he did and you know it.

You are right. But, remember when teh control was broken and Ghidorah fell over, it took a little bit for Goji to get back up. He had a breather after Ghidorah stoopped stomping on him which gave him some time to regain his composure.

No, that did not happen. Godzilla got up without any trouble, picked ghidorah up and slammed him hard without breaking a sweat.

Kill who? Goji? Eh, no, he can't. He will just regen the hits from teh SGM's. And the chest beam won't do a hole lot more. Remember, Goji is hard to hurt. And he will eventually just throw off a Spiral Beam which will cripple the mech severily.

The chest beam would K.O Godzilla, and then mogera could easily fire at him till he dies.